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Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 08:29
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I am the only one who thinks that he's nowt but a cheating coont?

Cecil_J_Mctumshie Posted on 31/10/2010 08:30
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ball was in play (ref hadn't whistled) so he had every right to score-Gomez should be castigated for foooking it up

scally Posted on 31/10/2010 08:30
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Yep. Nothing wrong with it. Gomes dropped a blob and he took advantage.

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 08:31
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And what about Nani diving and then playing basketball?

Cecil_J_Mctumshie Posted on 31/10/2010 08:32
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he was fouled by defender so it should have been a penalty to ManU-then cos keeper had ball in hand there was no need for ref to stop game and he waved play on-then Gomez foooked it up

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 08:38
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What's this a Man U love in?

Why did the lino flag then?

skiprat Posted on 31/10/2010 08:39
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He wasn't fouled, he dived, handballed it then scored and celebrated as if he'd won the world cup, odious cheating cvnt.

Julios_Hairband Posted on 31/10/2010 08:42
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"Why did the lino flag then?"

The linesman flags because Gomes points out the handball to him, you can actually see him say "I know" to Gomes, but there's nothing can be done about it.

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 08:42
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Also all the Spurs players were told to go away whilst the ref was discussing with the linesman, yet Ferdinand was allowed to stay there to chip in.

You could also see the lino saying "I know" when Gomez was telling him it was handball.

Pathetic.

joseph99 Posted on 31/10/2010 08:44
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Does this herald the end of quick free kicks or another cheap 3 points for the boys at Old Traffard?

And can players handball it now without the ref blowing?

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 08:44
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skiprat

Thank fcuk someone else speaks sense. [^]

Julios_Hairband Posted on 31/10/2010 08:45
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Did no one else notice the camp sort of semi hug the linesman and the referee went into when they were discussing it?

hells_bells83 Posted on 31/10/2010 08:55
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Did the ref wave play on though, I thought he only put his hands behind his back indicating no penalty.

picol Posted on 31/10/2010 08:57
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i did julio - it was sicking [:D]


there was nothing wrong with the awarding of the goal once a penalty or a freekick weren't given.

nani still a cheating cvunt tho

NorthStand25 Posted on 31/10/2010 09:04
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Gomes really should have been paying attention but Clattenburg didn't have a clue what he was doing, if he has got the decision right it's by pure luck.

As I said on a previous thread the Ferdinand thing wound me up a treat, it's no wonder United are seen to have a bias at OT

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 09:05
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So that was a perfectly fair goal then?

If it was at the other end, no chance.

And you all know it.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 09:06
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Nothing wrong with it at all. It amazes me how little managers and coaches know about the laws of the game. Redknapp asking, if the ref saw the handball and played on, why Nani wasn't booked for "deliberate handball" is a good example.

It's a simple turn of events turned into a lot more by people in the game that ought to know better.

Ref decided it wasn't a penalty, waved play on twice to Gomes, once before he put the ball down and once after. Gomes puts the ball down with the ball therefore still in play - at that point there was no linesman's flag, no whistle and the ref is actively saying play on.

Nani puts the ball in, which is still live given the above and the goal is correctly given.

No problem at all and all Gomes' fault. No-one else's.

Gomes asked the linesman to bring the handball to the ref's attention, which he duly did. Ref told him he had seen it and waved play on.

Goal stands.

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 31/10/2010 09:07
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Rio Ferdinand should be knee capped horrible person.


only my opinion,but he's still a XXXXXX

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 09:10
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'Ref told him he had seen it and waved play on.'


?????????????????????

How does that work then?

NorthStand25 Posted on 31/10/2010 09:14
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I agree Dibzz,I'm not sure it would have been given at the other end.

I don't think it was a fair goal. It should have been a free kick for handball but Gomes should be paying attention to Clattenburg, who doesn't give the free kick.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 09:16
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How does what work?

Keeper has the ball after the handball and ref says get on with it. Twice. Gomes ignores that and puts the ball down.

Absolutely the right decision from the ref.

Julios_Hairband Posted on 31/10/2010 09:20
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"Ref decided it wasn't a penalty, waved play on twice to Gomes, once before he put the ball down and once after"

He didn't give the usual play on signal though, it was only after Gomes put the ball down that he sort of shrugged/waved at Gomes to get on with it which wasn't exactly a clear gesture.

Not saying it's not Gomes fault, but I don't think Clattenburg got it all right either.

OneEye Posted on 31/10/2010 09:22
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Completely agree with Adi.

For me this goal is simple to explain and there's absolutely no controversy about it one bit.

Nani falls - no penalty. As he's on the floor he cleary handles the ball which the referee sees. But because Gomes picks the ball up and has it safely in his hands the ref just waves play on - which again, is an excellent decision as Gomes is now in a slightly more advantageous position being able to hoof it forward from his hands than having to take a free-kick 10 yards further back.

But then Gomes puts the ball on the floor, and rolls it forwards slightly. Why, if he thought it was a free-kick, did he think he could take it 10 yards further ahead than where the offence took place?

So quite clearly Gomes picks the ball up, the ref waves play on, Gomes puts the ball down, the ball is still in play, Nani sneaks in and scores.

Perfectly legitimate goal.

And as for Gomes to then protest he put the ball on the floor as if he was taking a free-kick this is also rubbish. Gomes likes to kick the ball from the ground and he usually puts the ball on the floor. He knew the ref played on, I can only imagine he forgot Nani was behind him.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 09:24
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Spot on.

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skiprat Posted on 31/10/2010 09:25
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Myself and Dbizz aren't saying that as it happened the goal shouldn't have been given, Nani took full advantage of the situation, however he should have been booked for either either or handball and a free kick given.

It was the refs mistake first but then Gomes' for not playing to the whistle.

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 09:26
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Goal should have been disallowed. Unfair advantage to Nani due to confusion.

And don't get me started on Tuncay's disallowed goal.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 09:26
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I don't follow that at all.

The ref didn't think it was a penalty. I tend to agree with him, I thought it was one that could have gone either way. Having done that, he sees the handball and waves play on because Gomes has an advantage.

I'm not sure what Nani should have been booked for and what the ref got wrong. I don't think he made a single mistake in the entire piece.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 09:29
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Unfair advantage due to confusion?

Where does that appear in the laws of the game then?!?!?!?!?!

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 09:30
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Freekick to Spurs for deliberate handball, yellow card to Nani for the dive and the handball, lucky to stay on the pitch.

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 09:30
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Adi_Dem

It doesn't of course, but have you never heard of common sense?

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 09:31
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I thought it should have been a penalty as I'm sure there was at least one handfull of Nani's shirt in a Spurs hand. Some will say 'that happens' but that's not the point.

The ref done Spurs a favour by playing on and not slowing the game down. The counter attack was on and Gomez blew it.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 09:31
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It wasn't a bookable offence for the handball and he didn't dive. Ref played a good advantage for the keeper having seen the handball.

Again, I can't see where the problem is.

NorthStand25 Posted on 31/10/2010 09:33
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Skiprat[^]

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 09:33
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Home ref, not the first time he's favoured Man U, should have booked him, poor decision.

fungus Posted on 31/10/2010 09:35
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"I am the only one who thinks that he's nowt but a cheating coont? "

Probably not, but it was a goal


myboro Posted on 31/10/2010 09:35
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But if you play on, then lose the advantage quickly the ref can bring it back (no advantage)

Agree with the actual version of events BUT once nani goes to the ball again ref should blow for the origional free kick.

Would love to see something like this happen at the other end though.

NorthStand25 Posted on 31/10/2010 09:36
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tbf Nani was very lucky he should have been booked first half for diving, fair enough he accidentally clipped his own heels but he still tried to appeal for the penalty and con the ref.

Dibzzz Posted on 31/10/2010 09:37
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myboro

That makes sense to me [^]

Pity the ref didn't have a fcuking clue. Or maybe he did and fancied Man U to win the game?

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 09:39
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myboro - I completely disagree with that. It's a bugbear of mine that refs play advantage and then bring it back when the team loses that advantage. It's a double punishment for the offending team and the team given the advantage get two bites at the cherry.

The Nani goal doesn't fit with the scenario. He was told to play on and didn't. Simple as that.

I saw the ref at the end keep repeating the same thing to Gomes. he was saying "Did I blow the whistle"

crazydiamond Posted on 31/10/2010 09:39
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No way the ref played advantage, he didn't gesture to that effect, and how the h*ll is that an an advantage over the free kick he should have given if he saw the handball.
Simple fact is that Nani thought he was picking the ball up to put it on the spot. Any other explanation is ridiculous and Nani is a cheating tw*t like most of them (9.8 for Lita's effort yesterday). Sadly the reason we all remeber DiCanio's action years ago is because its the last time we saw true sportsmanship on the pitch.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 09:40
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He made his first dive in the first 20 seconds of the game and continued to do so throughout the game. In my book he's far worse than Ronaldo ever was.

He made a meal of the penalty incident but it was still a penalty imo.


billdoor Posted on 31/10/2010 09:43
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Gomez was the numpty at fault. I think it's fair to say that if Fulham had scored this goal against Wigan, people wouldn't be so indignant about it.

Shame it was Man Utd but the goal's fine. Play to the whistle you dolt.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 31/10/2010 09:44
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How did Scholes get away with shoving Clattenberg when the pen wasn't given?

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 09:45
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I saw that too.

More should be made of that.

bolifer Posted on 31/10/2010 09:46
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Strange isn't it that Mark Clattenburg was the ref who failed to give a goal when Pedro Mendesís speculative 45-yard shot was fumbled two feet over the line by Roy Carroll with the score tied at 0-0.
He's Fergie's new pet ref.

billdoor Posted on 31/10/2010 09:55
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Even stranger that Fergie's new pet ref didn't give Nani a penalty in the first place when he easily could have.

Or does that not fit in with the theory?

whereswally Posted on 31/10/2010 10:01
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Who nani, looks like micheal Jackson before he had all the work done!

Can't stand him

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 11:08
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Common sense says the goal shouldn't have stood. The referee made nothing clear in the whole situation, even though Gomez may have been at fault.

futureboy Posted on 31/10/2010 11:11
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Spurs seem to be forgetting that they lost 2-0 anyway, so it doesn't change the result [8)]

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 11:13
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It looked clear enough to me. Common sense was applied. He played on and the keeper made a gaffe.

mattrich Posted on 31/10/2010 11:26
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Adi: Add this into the equation, if it was Van der Sar and the player who "scored" was Crouch do you think it would of stood????

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 11:27
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Nope, probably not but THAT would be the wrong decision, it doesn't prove that this was wrong, it just proves that refs are biased in favour of Manure, which is true.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 31/10/2010 11:33
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Play to the whistle. Simple as that really but it is more like poor sportsmanship.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 11:38
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Common sense wasn't applied. The referee had not made it clear to Gomez what was going on at all. Don't forget, this should have been an advantage to Tottenham, as soon as Gomez put the ball down the referee should have made a common sense judgement and played on from a Tottenham free kick.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 11:39
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It's not. If that's Boro I would expect us to put the ball in the net.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 31/10/2010 11:41
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If we were in the same situation I would take the goal but it's not sporting at all. The premiership roll out fair play etc but it goes out of the window when it suits.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 11:41
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Sorry but Gomes didn't hear a whistle because there wasn't one and the linesman didn't flag. The play hadn't stopped. That Gomes chose to ignore all of that was his fault. Once the ball was put in the only common sense decision was to allow the goal. No free kick had been given.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 11:43
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I just can't see what was unfair about it Jonny. That's where I'm struggling.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 31/10/2010 11:46
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holding the ball and then having the cheek to act as if nothing have happened, then scoring.

Just as bad as Maradona punching the ball in the net and acting like he headed it.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 11:47
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Give over. He handballed it, everyone saw it and the keeper was told to play on because he had the ball. Not even close to the Maradona incident.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 31/10/2010 11:49
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OK then, you win, it wasn't cheating and was completely fair.

ste_north_stand Posted on 31/10/2010 11:50
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Everyone was at fault really. Nani had no reason to handball it, the ref should of given a free kick, Gomes shouldn't of assumed he had given a free kick when he hadn't, the linesman should have flagged as he seemingly spotted the handball initially yet ran back towards the halfway line indicating a goal.....a comedy of errors.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 12:00
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Nani has his shirt pulled and it should have been a penalty. Nani, convinced it was going to be given grabbed the ball which often happens during games. Ref action should be to give him a yellow for deliberate handball. The ref chooses to play on and gives Gomez and Spurs the chance to counter attack. Had the ball been moved swiftly and Spurs gone straight up and scored people would say well done to the officials for letting the game flow.

Gomez now thinks he has a free kick and chooses to roll it some 10 yards ahead of where the the handball occured. No whistle from the ref so the ball is still live.

Nani now decides to walk past and put it in the net which he's perfectly entitled to do.

The ref has done nothing wrong bar not give Nani a yellow for the handball.

It's a fair goal but it's soiled and not too sporting of Nani.

Cecil_J_Mctumshie Posted on 31/10/2010 12:02
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It's not. If that's Boro I would expect us to put the ball in the net

Yep but we would miss it

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 12:06
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"Sorry but Gomes didn't hear a whistle because there wasn't one and the linesman didn't flag. The play hadn't stopped. That Gomes chose to ignore all of that was his fault."

Clearly the linesman did flag, why would Gomez not assume he's flagging for a free kick after Nani had blatantly handled the ball.

ste_north_stand Posted on 31/10/2010 12:08
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Senor, that's wrong. The linesman initially runs off to the halfway line, indicating goal, he only flags when Gomes chases after him.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 12:11
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I'd had a few pints when I'd seen it [^]

Just seen it again, I stand corrected [^]

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 12:12
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Yes, I watched the game. The linesman did not flag at all until after the goal was given and at the insistence of Gomes.

I have to pick up on this notion that Nani somehow deserved a yellow card for 'deliberate handball'. For handball to be given it has to be deliberate or intentional. Not every handball is a yellow card.

ste_north_stand Posted on 31/10/2010 12:13
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I think it's a fairly common thing for players to grab the ball when they feel they are fouled. Although it's probably technically a yellow card common sense normally prevails and a free kick against the player seems fair enough to me.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 12:14
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It's not a yellow card offence.

ste_north_stand Posted on 31/10/2010 12:16
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I would say that a player grabbing the ball in open play was a yellow card offence....i don't know the rules or anything, i would just assume that would be correct?

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 12:17
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To be fair the referee looks completely incompetent. Gomez is looking for clarification of what's going on and all he does is stand and shrug his shoulders...

Should have at least signalled to play on given Nani had just deliberately handled it.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 12:21
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..

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 12:22
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Gomez is looking for clarification of what? No whistle went. Play is ongoing. If he was unsure then he shouldn't have put the ball on the floor, simple.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 12:24
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I think it's fair for Gomez to assume a free kick would be given after Nani has grabbed the ball. He's obviously looking for clarification of that.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 12:26
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So it's fair for a player to assume a free kick has been given without a whistle being blown, without the linesman flagging and then for him to put the ball down on the floor, still in a confused state about what has or hasn't been given, and then expect any resulting play to be brought back because he felt a free kick should have been given?

If he isn't sure and he hasn't heard a whistle then don't put the ball on the floor.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 12:29
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Gomez is at fault, but yes, it is fair to assume a free kick would be given after Nani has handled the ball, I would say.

ste_north_stand Posted on 31/10/2010 12:29
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Gomes is clearly at fault in that he has not played to the whistle. It was still a horrendous cock up by the ref and linesman to not spot (or give) the handball between them though.

joshie Posted on 31/10/2010 12:31
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He might be worse than ronaldo but he is a model pro in comparison to drogba.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 12:31
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They did see it but chose to let the game flow and give Spurs the chance of a counter attack.

ste_north_stand Posted on 31/10/2010 12:32
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There's no real advantage to be played when the foul is commited practically on Spurs' byline! The ref and linesman got it wrong, as did Gomes.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 12:33
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"They did see it but chose to let the game flow and give Spurs the chance of a counter attack."

What, from one yard off THEIR goal line?

Would have to be some counter attack.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 12:34
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Link me to a Drogba dive.

Makes a meal but there's always contact unlike Gerrard, Nani, Ronaldo etc.

It's a myth Drogba 'dives' and he's tidied his act up after Chelsea fans turned on his playacting.

ste_north_stand Posted on 31/10/2010 12:35
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I suppose it depends on what you class as a dive. I'd say if there is contact that isn't enough to knock you down and you throw yourself to the deck you have dived.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 12:36
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I seem to remember Bale netting 2 v Milan last week on a counter attack.

Gomez was a plum and only has himself to blame.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 12:37
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A quick kick out of his hands is more advantageous than a dead ball.

If you're advocating that players ought to be able to 'assume' that a free kick has been given then I can't agree I'm afraid.

No whistle, no free kick, Gomes entirely to blame.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 12:39
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Makes a meal of it I'd say.

I've never seen him go down without contact unlike some. Joe Cole was our worst culprit for cheating but got away with it probably because he's English and we don't do that sort of thing. I'd cringe watching some of his antics.

ste_north_stand Posted on 31/10/2010 12:41
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If you choose to fall over, contact or not then it's a dive, how can it not be?!

TurnbullsCans Posted on 31/10/2010 12:44
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I'm not convinced the ref did see it to be honest let alone wave play on. The only arm gestures I saw the ref give was a hunch of the shoulders type reaction pretty much like Gomes.

It should have been a free kick for handball but since it wasn't given, Gomes was at fault for assuming it was a free kick regardless of the bad decision not to award Spurs a free kick for Fani's handball.

joshie Posted on 31/10/2010 12:45
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So are you saying if there is the slightest of contact but contact nonetheless, it is ok for drogba to dive as if he has just been shot with a snipers rifle?

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 12:45
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Well if there's contact you can't judge whether the fall was deliberate. We know of course but proving it is different.

A dive to me is something we've seen Gerrard, Ronaldo and Nani do so often where there's zero contact.

Scrote Posted on 31/10/2010 12:45
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too many people quick to jump on nani here but in my opinion he does nothing wrong

you could argue that the ref should have given a free kick for the handball but that's about it - and he clearly plays the advantage

gomes is a professional goalkeeper so one must assume he knows the laws of the game at least as far as they apply to the penalty area

yesterday, the linesman made steele move the ball back about half an inch when taking a goal-kick and it isn't the first time i've seen linesmen do that - the advantage is so minimal it seems stupid but it's a case of applying the laws correctly and being seen to do so

1. gomes KNOWS it isn't a free kick

gomes doesn't put the ball on the six yard line - any foul awarded inside the goal area results in a free-kick from the six yard line (edit: anywhere in the goal area but keepers usually go as far forwards as they can)

2. gomes KNOWS the linesman doesn't think it's a free kick

the linesman doesn't flag to make him put the ball on the six yard line - therefore he's happy that the ball is in play

gomes and redknapp are clutching at straws - the ref is correct and nani does what i've long since given up on ever seeing a boro player do...


Link: nani goal

ste_north_stand Posted on 31/10/2010 12:45
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I think the worst thing about it was when you can lipread Gomes say something like "he handballed it" and the linesman replying "i know"....they highlighted it on MOTD....if he saw the handball why didn't he flag?!

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 12:50
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Joshie, you talk like Drogba is the only one doing it. Didn't Lita do it yesterday??

Drogba makes a big meal of challenges true and it XXXXXXes me off. But he DOESN'T go down without contact unlike others as I've already said.

North_STANDER_94 Posted on 31/10/2010 12:50
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confirmed in all its glory, all referees and assistants are blatantly biased towards clubs such as man united, our good friend mr clattenburg was the famous referee who didnt give pedro mendes' long range goal at OT a few years ago, the word cheat springs to mind when i think about him [:(!]

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 12:52
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If that's the case Nani would have got the penalty.

joshie Posted on 31/10/2010 13:04
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At no stage have i said he is the only one, he is the worst 'play actor' in the premiership though.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 13:07
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I think that's rubbish Joshie but respect your opinion.

Like I say, myth.


Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 13:09
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I can only judge by televised games but to me he ruins himself because he is one of the best strikers in the world but he does dive and he does play act. I can't believe anyone can argue otherwise.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 13:12
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It depends what you call a dive. If you consider going down easy after contact is a dive then he does just that. I class a dive as going down without any contact being made.


Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 13:14
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He does both. I've seen it.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 13:17
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Well I'm yet to see go take a dive without contact and I watch him very closely.

I've even done research on youtube.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 13:21
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Well I haven't done research but I have seen replays of him having taken a dive.

joshie Posted on 31/10/2010 13:53
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Ive even done research on youtube....dont you watch him week in, week out?

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 13:58
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Link me to one without contact. Should be easy enough given his reputation.

I don't dispute he makes a meal of things but he has never gone down without contact which is where I say the myth is.

Check out Gerrard and tell me Drogba is worse.


Link: Cheat

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 14:01
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Why would I do that?

I'm not bothered either way. I've seen him go down with little or no contact. That's enough for me.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 14:01
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upthechels I can't see what point your trying to prove. Players can still dive if contact has been made with them.

Buddy Posted on 31/10/2010 14:02
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Nothing wrong with the goal at all. Clattenburg clearly signalled to Gomes before it happened that he didn't know what he was fking about at putting the ball on the deck.

On the subject of bringing the game back if an advantage doesn't turn out to be advantageous, it used to say in the Laws that this was only to be done where the loss of the advantage was not the fault of the team who were fouled against. I can't see that in there any more, so perhaps that's one that needs clearing up.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 14:05
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Was in answer to an earlier comment. I'm basically saying there's far worse than Drogba out there. Players that dive without any sort of contact.


Ex_Pat_the_Postman Posted on 31/10/2010 14:07
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Perfectly legitimate goal because no free kick had been awarded to Spurs, so Gomez shouldn't have put the ball down, but I doubt very much that the goal would have been given had Man U conceded it.

Adi_Dem Posted on 31/10/2010 14:08
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Buddy, I think it has to be one for the ref and I would be happy for the ref to take a reasonably short time to assess whether an advantage has accrued but after that bringing it back when the advantage is lost just seems like giving them two bites.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 14:10
Nani's goal

By the letter of the law the goal was perfectly legitimate, however as an example of sporting behaviour and gentlemanly conduct it fvcking stinks.


joshie Posted on 31/10/2010 14:11
Nani's goal

They are both examples of cheating though, diving with no contact, diving with minimal contact(certainly not enough to justify mr hissy fit pretending he has been shot.

He is the worst for it in the premiership and the league should retroactively ban these people for 10 games or more to try and finally bring some honesty back in to the game.

Ex_Pat_the_Postman Posted on 31/10/2010 14:12
Nani's goal

Senor Chester, I agree, but players need to play to the whistle...that's a "schoolboy error". I wouldn't expect my U15 girls team to make a mistake like that.

uberweiss Posted on 31/10/2010 14:12
Nani's goal

When I was playing football as a kid one of the things that was said to me more than anything else was,

"Play to the whistle" Not play until you think its a foul or play to the flag.

Nani did play to the whistle, Gomes didn't.

upthechels Posted on 31/10/2010 14:15
Nani's goal

To be fair, he's tidied it up over the past 2 years but pre that I'd agree.

As for Gerrard, he elbows, does 2 footed lunges and dives without any sort of contact yet walks the streets of England a hero. That's where I think people should be looking at cleaning up the game.

earlofcoulby Posted on 31/10/2010 14:49
Nani's goal

Not exactly in the spirit of the game, is it?
[sad]

Scrote Posted on 31/10/2010 15:19
Nani's goal

senor chester - "...as an example of sporting behaviour and gentlemanly conduct it fvcking stinks."

i have to disagree - i'd fully expect a boro player to do what nani did

as i pointed out above Gomes clearly knows it isn't a free kick

he would have something of a case if he'd put the ball down on the six-yard line

the fact he doesn't is proof that he didn't 'think it was a free-kick' until he needed an excuse for his ineptitude

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 31/10/2010 17:02
Nani's goal

I haven't heard what the twitchy, saggy-faced, cockney crook has had to say, but afterwards, he and the keeper's team-mates should have slaughtered him in the dressing room. Not playing to the whistle is totally unprofessional.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 17:06
Nani's goal

"as i pointed out above Gomes clearly knows it isn't a free kick
he would have something of a case if he'd put the ball down on the six-yard line
the fact he doesn't is proof that he didn't 'think it was a free-kick' until he needed an excuse for his ineptitude"

So he decided to just give a goal away for the fun of it did he?

Scrote Posted on 31/10/2010 18:04
Nani's goal

no - he cocked up

as he threw the ball down and stepped back to take the kick he looks behind to see nani on the floor - he didn't see nani get up and loitered for far too long

if he'd just kicked it the worst that could have happened is the ref/linesman would have asked him to retake it from within the goal area

if he'd honestly thought it was a free-kick he'd have put the ball down inside the goal area (on the six-yard line) - the fact he didn't is clear proof that he didn't - at any point prior to the goal being scored - think it was a free kick

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 31/10/2010 18:16
Nani's goal

Ref clearly had his hands out saying "Play on" to Gomes.

Nothing wrong with the goal. You play to the whistle. And there wasn't one.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/10/2010 19:17
Nani's goal

"as he threw the ball down and stepped back to take the kick he looks behind to see nani on the floor - he didn't see nani get up and loitered for far too long"

That wasn't the case though. He knew Nani was on his way back but was looking for clarification of the free kick he thought he was getting, and didn't.

NorthStand25 Posted on 31/10/2010 19:34
Nani's goal

Kamara made a good point about playing to the whistle on Goals on Sunday saying that basically Gomes should have played to the whistle but so should Nani, who stopped the ball with his hand presuming he had won a penalty or to complain why he hadn't

Overall though I think it was awful officiating even if he was right. Clattenburg obviously didn't communicate properly with the players.

mooghead Posted on 31/10/2010 20:33
Nani's goal

If anything a free kick for handball (and presumption, if that is an offence in football, which it isn't).

Honestly, would any team other than Manu have been given the goal?

Scrote Posted on 01/11/2010 10:32
Nani's goal

"...looking for clarification of the free kick he thought he was getting"

and if he thought it was a free kick why didn't he put the ball down on the six-yard line?

i'm struggling to recall a goal-mouth tussle (from a corner, for instance) where the ref blows up for a foul by the attacking team and the goalie tries to steal 10 yards with the free-kick - it just doesn't happen

gomes KNEW it wasn't a free kick and only moaned about the handball once he realised he'd cocked up

Dibzzz Posted on 01/11/2010 16:05
Nani's goal

Another ton plus to add to the list [:D]

footyteam Posted on 01/11/2010 17:10
Nani's goal

I think its the whole incident which is frustrationg

- nani throws himself to the ground, 50-50 to whether it was a dive and a yellow
- nani intentionally handballs it. Definitely a yellow
- the ref and linesman have stated they have seen it yet not given a free kick
- gomez is a plonker but the whole point of playing on is one team has an advantage which they lost straight away


If macdonald gets fouled and the ref says play on and McDonald stops for a free kick the ref would blow for a free kick.


- he then gave a goal and refused to acknowledge his linesman.

Meanwhile the ref gets a push from scholes and rio is allowed in the discussion between the ref and linesman.


Mavrick Posted on 01/11/2010 18:05
Nani's goal

Ive seen games where the ref has played the advantage and as soon as none is actually gained the ref pulls back the play. Had I notice this thread earlier i would have posted on this one but that goals has everything wrong with it. That goal should never have stood. I can only think some people argue the case for it to stand because either they hate Spurs or they have a bit of a hard on for Man Utd. Ive spoje to several Man U fans who see no wrong in the goal, play to the whistle they say which is a very fair point. However Nani is only becoming a worse sport in my eyes for gaining an advantage on the cheap. Poor sportsman who sets a poor example.

Scrote Posted on 01/11/2010 18:39
Nani's goal

mavrick - i'd be outraged if a boro player didn't try to take advantage of a goalkeeping error in similar circumstances

similarly on saturday i was pleasantly surprised to see the boro not give the ball back after it'd been kicked out when it was fairly clear it was just an attempt at time wasting

the problem is that people have gotten so used to the rules being debated incorrectly by so called professionals that when they are applied properly (and with 'common sense') everyone falls over themselves cry 'unsporting' the loudest

nani set a very good example - play to the whistle and when you're on the floor get back up and get straight back into the fray

Dibzzz Posted on 01/11/2010 18:46
Nani's goal

'nani set a very good example'

ffs [rle]