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Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 22/10/2010 21:29
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And try to speak to the dead.
Does anybody on the board know of people who have dabbled with these in a big way.
And sometime afterwards lost other close family members in accidents or freak deaths ?.

SplendidStuff Posted on 22/10/2010 21:35
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What about losing family members in suicides and planned deaths?

ClaireSmith Posted on 22/10/2010 21:38
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Would spontaneous combustion or drowning count ?

SplendidStuff Posted on 22/10/2010 21:40
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Well it would depend on how the drowning occured surely, and spontaneous combustion whilst drowning?

That would be very fortunate.


tommywheeliesdad Posted on 22/10/2010 21:46
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drown in a vat of petrol

dodger Posted on 22/10/2010 21:48
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You can't speak to the dead because they are dead.

kazza Posted on 22/10/2010 21:50
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yeah i know of people that have gone, dont believe all that bull though

Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 22/10/2010 21:51
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I have edited my first post as after reading it maybe the way i explained it came across wrong.
I am being serious i work for a well known magazine and we are currently looking into reports from hundreds of people who have experienced deaths of family members after getting involved in this type of thing.
More & more people are comming forward i know it is just coincidence or is it just thought i would ask.

boromike85 Posted on 22/10/2010 23:14
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f people are stupid and gullible enough to go and see mediums and psychics then they are stupid enough to think there is a connection between things like this. Basically they are idiots.

SplendidStuff Posted on 22/10/2010 23:16
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' am being serious i work for a well known magazine and we are currently looking into reports from hundreds of people who have experienced deaths of family members after getting involved in this type of thing.'


Its Bella or Take a Break right?

standards Posted on 23/10/2010 08:13
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Its usually people who have suffered inlife and who experienced loss of a loved one in their early years, it is perfectly understandable, each to their own, live and let live.

coluka Posted on 23/10/2010 09:14
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Woooooooooooooooo
Is there anybody there
woooooooooooooooo

raglasher Posted on 23/10/2010 09:16
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How many people on here have been to a Spiritualist church or to a medium, i would say NIL but still open their mouths and close their minds. If a person gets comfort from seeing a Medium or going to a Spiritualist church so be it, a lot of people on here get comfit from visiting a pub its to them much the same. Regarding fancyful things happening to people after visiting a medium is the stuff of comics or the cheap magazines drumming up something to fill a few pages. Yes as a few on here must know i am a medium and healer of many years who NEVER has charged so money has never come into it.

Rolf__Harris Posted on 23/10/2010 09:19
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"People who regularly visit spiritualists & psychics"

Get to talk to me and Elvis all the time on this bloody cloud.[^]

BillytheBastard Posted on 23/10/2010 09:25
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Spiritualism is a recognised religion, would yo call all muslims stupid because you don't understand their religion?

Holgateoldskool Posted on 23/10/2010 10:01
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Each to their own I suppose. The best friend of my wife is a medium. In her everyday life she is frankly a bit of a twit with problems galore. However when she is in "medium mode"? Frankly she's brilliant.

Visited our house one night claiming there were 2 ladies here, describing them, giving christian names for both (who were my grandma and her mother) with a message that proved to have great relevence.

She has done umpteen readings for my wifes friends and has been utterly spot on with a variety of information given to them.

Suppose these instances have changed me from being a cynic to a believer - but hey everyone is welcome to their opinion.

Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 24/10/2010 03:27
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Holgate if i keep checking this thread could you ask the lady in question if she would mind me contacting her & when i see you on the board i will post my email addy & then remove it.
Cheers Buddy

CanuckBoro Posted on 24/10/2010 05:17
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ron_manager Posted on 24/10/2010 08:23
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Lets cut through the bullXXXXXX with most emminent biologist in the world and an expert in the feild and the expert in studying charalatans...



Link: The real story

raglasher Posted on 24/10/2010 08:33
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A psychic is NOT a medium they are not the same, if you go and see a medium the medium will tell you things and Not ask you questions as a psychic will. A psychic is like the gypsy
who want to tell you your fortune.

raglasher Posted on 24/10/2010 08:44
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A person who`s mind is closed will never change it, so be it, what does it matter until
something happens to you that will challenge those views.

ron_manager Posted on 24/10/2010 08:58
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I diasagree Raglasher with your presumptious statement. It really all depend on what you mean by open minded. Open mindedness is a tool the psychic/medium lot often drag up as evidence against anyone who doesn't believe in them.
Do you know what really matters is evidence. Without evidence we are nothing. From when man first discovered how to create fire by manipulating the environment based upon visual evidence to the theoretical evidence that lead us to be using electrcity, computers and the internet and sit here chatting to eachother.
So if open mindness means I should switch off my brain and ignore my reason, then no I am not open minded....but if open minded means I will try a new situation and judge what it is using empirical evidence based my own observation and upon others research and dedication, then yes I am open minded.
May I also add, I have no problem with a person gaining comfort from whatever belief they wish to follow but that does not mean it is true.

Lefty Posted on 24/10/2010 09:29
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'i am a medium and healer of many years who NEVER has charged so money has never come into it.'

Raglasher

At least you only fall into the category of self deluded rather than con artist.

Monkey_Ball_Knackers

What angle is your magazine taking on this? Are you going to subject these wild and ridiculous claims to any sort of scientific scrutiny, obtain any opinions from skeptics etc. or are you merely going to present these stories as facts for the gullible to fall for and perpetuate these myths of the paranormal?

Holgateoldskool

I can confidently say that your wife's friend is another charlatan and you've fallen for a load of old tosh.

Julios_Hairband Posted on 24/10/2010 09:54
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Holgateoldskool: Mate, she's your wife's best friend, and you're surprised that she can name two of your relatives? That she can come up with some message that's relevant to you? To her friends? How gullible are you?

ron_manager Posted on 24/10/2010 09:59
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My mam went to see a medium.psychic and told her that her name was Carmen...
Ten minutes later the psychic said "I am getting a Spanish person talking to me"
My mam was amazed the psychic knew she had Spanish blood...Doh

shamblesdefarm Posted on 24/10/2010 11:15
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I went to see this guy once he is very very good [^]


Link: best out there !

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/10/2010 13:13
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I've worked with loads of these over the years, in the various theatres I've worked in. Whatever your point of view I think the most telling fact is that the spirits always seem to know the running times!

PinkPonce Posted on 24/10/2010 13:17
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Shambles [:D][^]

PP ... x

Holgateoldskool Posted on 24/10/2010 13:18
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Bearing in mind my wife never knew or met my grandparents, knew their names or indeed very little about them - still you guys appear to know it all......

I could indeed cite many instances but frankly its a waste of time with closed minded sorts who are predominant posters on here. As I said each to their own.

My thoughts on this are based on experience whereas yours is based on what ??!!

ThePrisoner Posted on 24/10/2010 13:20
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I predict a ton [^]

Jimmythemoonlight Posted on 24/10/2010 13:23
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[:D]


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ron_manager Posted on 24/10/2010 13:23
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Bollockgateskool I refer you to my previous post regarding open mindeness.
The problem is when we rely on our own experience of an event, it can be invariably wrong, which is more damning as evidence DNA or eye witness accounts...I think you will find most lawyers would state DNA.
While I acknowledge that you have had a deep and meaningful experience that is personal to yourself that does not mean that psychics/mediums are really communicating with the dead.
Humour me by explaining what part of the brain a medium uses to communicate with the dead?

Holgateoldskool Posted on 24/10/2010 13:26
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You cannot prove there's anything in it I can't prove there is - its one of lifes great imponderables.

You obviously feel a little uneasy hence the cheap shot insult with my user name.

Rather sad arn't you ?????

ron_manager Posted on 24/10/2010 13:30
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Sorry about that, just joking meant no real offence about your name[:D]
I don't think it is an imponderable, I believe science has come far enough to have answered the question emphatically by now. We have after all split the atom so surely there would be evidence regarding the residual exsistence of the "soul" after death.
I don't feel uneasy about my opinion on the subject, just saddened that we still carry on in this day and age wioth all the religous, life after death myth.[8)]

shamblesdefarm Posted on 24/10/2010 13:33
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Intresting thread this another legend


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Holgateoldskool Posted on 24/10/2010 13:35
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I would never try and influence anyone with this subject matter. However having experienced what I have it certainly changed my mind on the subject.

I was merely responding to the original question, if people don't wish to believe - fair enough.


bangkok_smoggie Posted on 24/10/2010 14:11
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Dawkins looks like a transexual in that interview [?]

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/10/2010 14:59
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I see dead people[:O]

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/10/2010 15:24
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'I am being serious i work for a well known magazine and we are currently looking into reports from hundreds of people who have experienced deaths of family members after getting involved in this type of thing.'

Shyte, people have died after getting onvolved with mediums/psychics [:O]

Lefty Posted on 24/10/2010 16:08
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'You cannot prove there's anything in it I can't prove there is'

Holgateoldskool,

It isn't up to us to prove anything. It is the people suggesting there is anything in it to substantiate it.

Carl Sagan famously said 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' not weak as p1ss evidence.

Actually, there is no evidence. An awful lot of time and resources has been spent on investigating the paranormal and there is not one piece of evidence that has stood up to rigorous, controlled testing.

Lefty Posted on 24/10/2010 16:16
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'Spiritualism is a recognised religion, would yo call all muslims stupid because you don't understand their religion?'

I wouldn't call all muslims or christians stupid, nor all aspects of their religion, but there is certainly plenty of legitimate criticism I can make.

By the way, 'the spiritualist movement began in 1848 in upstate New York with the Fox sisters who claimed that spirits communicated with them by rapping on tables. (The "raps" were actually made by cracking their toe joints.) By the time the sisters ADMITTED THEIR FRAUD some thirty years later, there were tens of thousands of mediums holding sťances where spirits entertained with numerous magical tricks such as making sounds, materializing objects, making lights glow, levitating tables and moving objects across the room. The mediums demonstrated every variety of psychic power from clairvoyance and clairaudience to telekinesis and telepathy. Repeated charges of fraud did little to stop the spiritualist movement until the 1920's when magicians such as Houdini exposed the techniques and methods of deceit used by mediums to fool even the wisest and holiest of men and women.'

Lefty Posted on 24/10/2010 16:21
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'people have died after getting onvolved with mediums/psychics'

Yes.

People have died after getting involved with shop assistants and painter and decorators. I look forward to this magazines expose on these evil people too, but I suspect they exhibit the same shocking standards as most of their profession and haven't even considered this point.

king_hellfire Posted on 24/10/2010 16:36
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"Death is a part of life, and pretending that the dead are gathering in a television studio in New York to talk twaddle with a former ballroom-dance instructor is an insult to the intelligence and humanity of the living." --Michael Shermer


'...Van Praagh plays a kind of twenty-questions game with his audience. He goes fishing, rapidly casting his baited questions one after the other until he gets a bite. Then he reels the fish in. Sometimes he falters, but most of the fish donít get away. He just rebaits and goes after the fish again until he rehooks. The fish love it. They reward Van Praagh's hard work by giving him positive feedback. This makes it appear to some that he is being contacted by spirits who are telling him that being dead is good, that they love those they left behind, and that they are sorry and forgive them everything.'





I find it hard to believe that people still beleive in spiritualists/mediums. For every 'bullseye' the medium hits there are literally hundreds of misses. most people i know who have been to a medium say that they were told things that the medium couldn't have possibly known, yet when you question them it turns out that the medium was using cold reading techniques and guess work. Don't people find it suspiscious that the medium can claim they're being 'contacted by a john, it's definitely a 'J' name, it could be a jack, jake, joe, joseph, josephine, jane... ah, you know a jane who has passed away? well she says...' and then they go into great detail about what jane's telling him, yet she couldn't initially say 'my name is jane and my niece is sat in the third row'


Link: Mediums

raglasher Posted on 24/10/2010 16:58
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I agree there are frauds in ALL walks of life where money, power,etc are concerned. I can honestly say in all my experience of being with and seeing many mediums all over the world i can say that only once can i say that so called medium was a fake, and that was in the north east. I have seen mediums that are honest but are CRAP and have been at a services 10 mins and wish i wasnt there they were that bad, but also people there thought they were good. If you dont want to believe in mediumship so be it, nobody will try to convince you otherwise, a closed mind is just that. To me it is Not a religion it is a way of life, there is much more to it than being just a medium.

Lefty Posted on 24/10/2010 16:59
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I can't understand how anyone is stupid enough to fall for Van Praagh. He's absolutely terrible and he's supposed to be one of the best.

John Edward is quite impressive, until you find out that it is all about skilful editing, plants etc. and he's been proven to be a fake.

zzzzz Posted on 24/10/2010 17:05
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Where's our Derek? [:D]

You'd have thought he'd have seen this thread without using t'internet by now. [^]

ron_manager Posted on 24/10/2010 17:16
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Raglasher i really wish you would stop presuming we have "closed minds", I do not have a closed mind, the fact is there is no scientific evidence for what you pertain to be true.

Lefty Posted on 24/10/2010 17:19
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'I can honestly say in all my experience of being with and seeing many mediums all over the world i can say that only once can i say that so called medium was a fake,'

Are you saying that only one was a deliberate conman in your judgement, but the rest genuinely thought they had the gift?

Lefty Posted on 24/10/2010 17:29
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Yes, this closed mind accusation is irritating. It is the snake oil salesman trick of saying you have to believe in something for it to work. It should be the other way round, not relying on the placebo effect.

Show us the evidence and THEN we'll believe.

Don't you think evidence of the paranormal and life after death would be the most amazing thing and something that we'd like to be true even more than finding evidence of aliens? It would be the most amazing thing.

However we have to be careful we don't want this so much we simply will it into being truth without testing it properly.

This is the difference. We're not closed minded, we simply require scientific proof, whereas you lot are unexacting, willingly fooled and perhaps vulnerable.


bangkok_smoggie Posted on 24/10/2010 17:33
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My Mum's been a widow for 24 years; she's visited spiritualists/mediums from time to time and on the balance I'm glad for her that she did - as others said: it offered comfort.

I've done ouija borads when I was younger and can say as surely as I can that there's NO WAY anyone was pushing that glass around.

Whether that constitutes 'evidence' or 'proof' in someone else's mind is not for me to judge and nor do I care, for the real reason (as I see it) for any (pseudo-)religious belief is to provide a workable bulwark against the entirely natural fear we have of dying, of becoming nothing.

More interesting to me than the question of whether all psychics etc are charlatans is why so many people seem to invest so much wind in countering these relatively benign strategies for 'death-terror alleviation'. The only conclusion I can draw is that retreat into hyper-'rationalism' (and concomitant drawing upon of 'science' they usually don't even understand) is in fact THEIR strategy of death-terror alleviation.

What ultimately they are indulging in is a form of cruelty, I feel, for the sake of skin-deep feelings of superiority.

Spiritual belief is malign when it distracts from real life concerns, when it dogmatises, assumes all importance. There are plenty such manifestations that warrant attack on this basis. To go after spiritualism is junior-school intellectualism that misunderstands, fundamentally, certain human eternals.

raglasher Posted on 24/10/2010 17:35
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Ron have you ever been to see a medium? i think not , there for you dont speak with an open mind

girly35 Posted on 24/10/2010 17:40
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I went to see one following the death of my 9 year old daughter, I only gave my first name when booking and sat down on arrival saying nothing other than hello. He told me I had 2 children but one had passed away, how old she was, described what she looked like and said things that only she would say. Yes I paid however for the peace of mind it gave me and a whole nights sleep I would have paid 100 times that amout. I volunteered no information as I was unable to speak through my tears so dont come on here and condemn everyone who chooses to believe as stupid or unintelligent. I am not condemning you for choosing not to believe it is personal choice!

raglasher Posted on 24/10/2010 17:41
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Lefty everything about the way you write you would not accept any thoughts that mediums on the whole COULD be genuine, You would make a good Jehovas witness.

plazmuh Posted on 24/10/2010 17:43
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Me and our lass went to see Colin Fry at Colchester Charter Hall a year ago and left feeling he was as fake as f***.
He was on with some Australian woman.
Thats 85 notes I wont see again bloody time thief.
Him and that scouse robber need locking up..
Regards
Plazmuh
[:D][:D][^]

raglasher Posted on 24/10/2010 17:44
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Who says John Edward and co are the best WE dont they are showmen thats all

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/10/2010 17:51
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raglasher, you really believe you talk to the dead and can heal people?

ThePrisoner Posted on 24/10/2010 17:54
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"He told me I had 2 children but one had passed away, how old she was, described what she looked like and said things that only she would say."

You say 'he told me' but am I right in thinking that he told you nothing until he had asked you a lot of questions, then got some things wrong before finally hitting on some correct information?

girly35 Posted on 24/10/2010 18:33
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Are you able to read? I said I did not give out any info due to the fact that I was crying! No he didnt ask any questions at all nor did I volunteer any info. Sceptic much!

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/10/2010 18:39
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girly35, you have been had, sorry its not nice but someone has taken you for a mug.

girly35 Posted on 24/10/2010 18:50
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How do you figure that then? I paid for a service and came away happy with that service. My money my choice. End of!

ron_manager Posted on 24/10/2010 18:55
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Raglasher I have never been to a BNP meeting but I know their ethos is vile.
I have never been to a Jihadist meeting but I know they are crazy Feckers.
I really don't get your point, does one have to physically experience and event to cast an opinion, it sound to me your to wrapped up in your own super powers[:D]

Girly I appreciate you came away feeling better about the experience but the person did not speak to a dead person, but I accept like religon for some people it can be a comfort[:D]
And I don't think someone is necessarily stupid for beliving just deluded or seeking comfort in this lonely and cruel life

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/10/2010 19:34
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'I paid for a service and came away happy with that service.'


A service[?]

oooooo Posted on 24/10/2010 19:53
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If I lost a child, I'd be deeply disturbed by the idea that he was floating around in the dark able to speak but not contact me unless someone who had been paid to organised it. You were conned and the person who did it is pure scum.

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/10/2010 19:54
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My sentiments ooooo, these people who prey on peoples sorrow, they should be doing prison time.

row_7 Posted on 24/10/2010 19:58
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There's a one million dollar prize on offer for


Link: Fancy a million dollars?

raglasher Posted on 24/10/2010 20:42
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There isnt a 1 million $ for proof have you read the conditions

raglasher Posted on 24/10/2010 20:43
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There isnt a 1 million$ prize have you read the conditions

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/10/2010 20:44
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raglasher, you should be ashamed if this is something you actually do, give people false hope and information.

girly35 Posted on 24/10/2010 20:53
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I actually have pity for you. oooooo

raglasher Posted on 24/10/2010 20:53
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Ron i have no super powers hence i support the Boro, i am no where near the top of the prediction league on smog chat, infact i always predict boro to win. But i have just come back from the spiritualist church where i heard a superb medium. Some body said on here they would be upset to think of their child floating about in the dark. Well i have heard a right load of cr-p on here today

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/10/2010 21:02
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'Well i have heard a right load of cr-p on here today'

Me too.

ron_manager Posted on 24/10/2010 21:05
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Why is it crap, because I disagree with you, all I have requested is scientfic proof, which you have single handley failed to supply.
I don't think your belief makes you a bad person, in fact I have no doubt you are kind, who believes there "gift" is to help...but as i have said believing something does not make it true[:D]

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/10/2010 21:14
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What strikes me about these people, 'psychics' or 'mediums', somewhere along the line in life they decided that they would lie to people and have the audacity to pretend like they are humbl people.

I cannot think of a more narcissistic way to live your life.

Lefty Posted on 25/10/2010 12:05
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'Lefty everything about the way you write you would not accept any thoughts that mediums on the whole COULD be genuine'

I apologise for my tone if it seems abrupt. I do get exasperated more at the way the media generally reports the paranormal and science. Honestly, you'd think we lived in a world where ghosts, the afterlife, big foot, dowsing, homeopathy, feng shui etc are real and proven if you believed daytime telly. It's like we've gone backward since scooby doo was broadcast.

I can see that mediums can provide some comfort, but it is based on a lie and they can do damage as well, more than just taking vulnerable people for not insignificant sums of money.

By the way, I think a lot of mediums probably think they are genuine, they just don't realise the techniques they are using are not paranormal. I recently heard a magician talk about there were even some in his profession who think they do have some paranormal powers even though he can clearly see they don't.

Incidentally, my great uncle ran a Spiritualist church so I did go when I was younger and I have as a hobby read plenty of info on and books by mediums, and I've seen a couple too. The thing is, unlike most who go to see them, I approach them with a healthy scepticism and enquiry rather than believing in them already.


'You would make a good Jehovas witness'

Huh?

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 25/10/2010 12:15
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Can you ask any of your mentalist friends to use their jedi powers to tell us who the next Boro manager will be?

Lefty Posted on 25/10/2010 12:45
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It won't be Mowbray.

doireboro Posted on 25/10/2010 12:56
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I've had my doubts and there are a lot of people who do this as a scam to make money. But I believe there are a few genuine people out there with some sort of ability.

My ex was at one about 6 months a go and the guy was able to tell her some really detailed stuff about her life that very few people could have known. That jkinda spooked me a bit and I'd be a bit more open minded about it about teh whole thing now.

Although there are the people who are scam artists too and use the cold reading techniques to sucker in not too bright people.

So yeah, i'd believe in some of them but not all.

bangkok_smoggie Posted on 25/10/2010 13:12
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Interesting that people demand scientific proof. You could equally reverse the request: give me proof there is no 'other side?

What's more interesting though is the fact that someone comes on and opens up about losing her child and there is a complete lack of empathy - merely an attempt to try and score arid intellectual points.

Yes, a 'a service', I'd say. Girly had two choices when her child died. 'KNOW' her child was dead, rotting in the ground, a collection of cells never to be seen nor heard of again, or BELIEVE that (the essential) something of her survives somewhere. Now, if she's impelled to believe the latter because of her encounter with a medium, how exactly (O great psychologists of the Boro message board) is her quality of life, her ability to grieve, more impoverished, denuded, traduced? No, You soppy bitch! You must believe your daughter's soul is a figment of your imagination because then my cosy macho superiority ('I like cars, footy and science, right') is vindicated.

Pathetic.

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 25/10/2010 14:05
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I dont believe in made up stuff like elves, goblins and eskimos.

B-MAN Posted on 25/10/2010 14:06
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You do realise thats its virtually impossible to prove something doesnt exist?? There's a magic chicken that lives in my back garden, he tells me what will happen to me during my day by reading the creases in my work trousers......disprove it.

Everyone says the same "oh my wifes friend went to one and he was excellent, he told her things nobody else would have known" yes, of course he did. Why dont you tell us exactly what was said if its so convincing. Its well known how they work, have a watch of the Derren Brown programme. Disappearing off to the toilet, claiming he's never met these people before and he does an amazing reading that people can barely believe - turns out the great readers sister was her next door neighbour. The sad thing is that those who believe in this 5hit know deep down its rubbish, they just want to believe. If it was real youd go every now and then and he'd say "sorry love, theyve all XXXXXXed off on holiday this week so there's nowt i can do"

Im not saying you cant take comfort from it, I'm not saying its not capable of making you feel more at peace when a loved one dies but the simple fact remains, its not real.

ThirdTimeLucky Posted on 25/10/2010 14:10
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Nobody can speak to the dead, nobody has super natural powers. There are literally billions of f*cking retards in the world and a retard and his/her money are easily parted.


miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 25/10/2010 14:11
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I once saw the face of Tom Cruise in my kebab - how do you explain that then?



Kilburn Posted on 25/10/2010 14:12
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I used to be a medium, but I'm not any more.


Fcukin chips...

B-MAN Posted on 25/10/2010 14:12
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He's pretty small, maybe he crept up on you and put his head through the garlic sauce sodden corer of the paper your kebab was wrapped in??

And Bangkok- "Yes, a 'a service', I'd say. Girly had two choices when her child died. 'KNOW' her child was dead, rotting in the ground, a collection of cells never to be seen nor heard of again, or BELIEVE that (the essential) something of her survives somewhere. Now, if she's impelled to believe the latter because of her encounter with a medium, how exactly (O great psychologists of the Boro message board) is her quality of life, her ability to grieve, more impoverished, denuded, traduced? No, You soppy bitch! You must believe your daughter's soul is a figment of your imagination because then my cosy macho superiority ('I like cars, footy and science, right') is vindicated. "

So what youre saying is that its rubbish, just not true, but by believing in this garbage brings her comfort and closure which is ok??

Lefty Posted on 25/10/2010 14:13
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'Interesting that people demand scientific proof.'

Interesting that you don't.

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 25/10/2010 14:19
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I dont believe it this kind of thing - but if you do great fill your boots.

Am just worried that some people get ripped off financially by fakes.


And Tom Cruise.

SplendidStuff Posted on 25/10/2010 14:20
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You believe in psychics then you are either thick as fcuk or incredibly gullible and thick as fcuk.

Lefty Posted on 25/10/2010 14:21
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Or very vulnerable, surely.


SplendidStuff Posted on 25/10/2010 14:24
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Being vulnerable is no excuse to believe anything you are told, unless you are vulnerable and thick as fcuk.

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 25/10/2010 14:27
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I dont believe in made up stuff like elves, goblins and Tom Cruise.

BarnesBoroFC Posted on 25/10/2010 14:30
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I was thinking about this in bed the other night...

...WHAT IF Derren Brown is actually a dissedent of hell and the occult.
From a young age we are told not to fcuk with weegie boards, as this can open up a gateway to the daemon realm. Derren Brown held a televised weegie board exercise; where a lot of people in the Nation took part!
He then goes round the country defaming spiritualists and psychics. Possibly the only people who would be able to help, should you be faced with a poltergeist/evil spirit/daemon.
It's a worrying thought! [xx(]

oooooo Posted on 25/10/2010 14:31
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girly35:"I actually have pity for you. oooooo"

Why? Because I would be disturbed by the idea my dead child was somewhere, just nowhere I could get to them? I'd rather they were just memories inside my mind, where they are close to me.

raglasher:"Some body said on here they would be upset to think of their child floating about in the dark. Well i have heard a right load of cr-p on here today"

Mate, you go to a spiritualist church so are in no position to be calling other people out on talking crap.

B-MAN Posted on 25/10/2010 14:31
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Its not worrying at all - its just more nonsense.


Lefty Posted on 25/10/2010 14:35
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Don't be silly Splendidstuff. Someone who is grieving badly is not always thinking rationally.

We aren't a creature composed of only rational thoughts and logic, our senses and emotions have evolved in tandem with our brain to allow an understanding of the world better to survive and pass on our genes. We're a storytelling chimp. We tell ourselves stories better to make sense of the world. It is our great evolutionary trick. We rely on our emotional response to these stories to ensure we take the right lessons from them and act accordingly. It is unfortunate, but inevitable that sometimes emotions overtake reason.

bangkok_smoggie Posted on 25/10/2010 14:42
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'I dont believe in made up stuff like elves, goblins and eskimos.'

You could confuse a lot of Innuit with that statement

bangkok_smoggie Posted on 25/10/2010 14:45
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'It is unfortunate, but inevitable that sometimes emotions overtake reason.'

Thank you, Spock.



gazanolan Posted on 25/10/2010 14:55
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Raglasher- Heres a challenge for you, do a reading for me and my other half whenever and wherever you want, as far as Im aware Ive never met you so it would be a good genuine test, incidentally I used to be very open minded about this stuff but being honest it is closing as I get older. Apologies if some one else has suggested this but I didnt read the whole thread

B-MAN Posted on 25/10/2010 14:58
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problem though ganz - with you being so closed minded about it all if it doesnt go well they'll just blame it on that. I cant read you, too much negativity etc...

gazanolan Posted on 25/10/2010 15:00
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we shall see if the man can rise to the challenge

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/10/2010 15:03
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It's a faith, like Christianity.

There's not a sprinkling of evidence to support either, yet one is ridiculed and one isn't.

north_east_invader Posted on 25/10/2010 15:04
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Not a shred of proof. Every "mysterious" thing that has ever been successfully investigated has been proven to have a rational explanation.

Complete and total con tricks - I think sometimes on occasion you will find a medium who is dumb enough to believe their own propaganda, but the majority of them are no better than a side street con artist.

Ridiculous, idiotic, unsubstantiated clap trap.

Good job I held back and didn't say what I really feel on the subject [^][:D]

Lefty Posted on 25/10/2010 15:07
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'Thank you, Spock.'
[:D]

I was going to add that it's a good thing on the whole.

north_east_invader Posted on 25/10/2010 15:07
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Illustrates my point well I think


Link: And here's why ...

Lefty Posted on 25/10/2010 15:11
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If there is anything that boils my p1ss it is when people base decisions on astrology.

There is a lot to dislike Steve Wright for, but this is easily the worst part of his radio show.

raglasher Posted on 25/10/2010 15:55
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Gazanolan I would be pleased to give you a reading, when can i expect you in Torquay.

gazanolan Posted on 25/10/2010 17:24
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Ah Living in a different area .. the cynics of the board will be saying I had that written down as an excuse why the reading/session couldn't be done ..

UAUA Posted on 25/10/2010 17:26
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"yet one is ridiculed and one isn't"

Really?

raglasher Posted on 25/10/2010 17:36
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everybody has the right to differing views of life that is what makes us all unique, it would be a boring life if we all agreed on the things we do. I would like to think that i havent done anything to bad in this life to adversely affect or upset anybody. I try as a medium and as a person to live by the saying, Do unto others as you would have done to yourself. It might sound sickly but i mean it.

SplendidStuff Posted on 25/10/2010 18:52
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You lie to people and tell them you are in contact with their dead relatives ffs, you have serious mental issues.

raglasher Posted on 25/10/2010 19:04
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Sledid stuff are you speaking from experiance

raglasher Posted on 25/10/2010 19:07
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CORRECTION
Splendid stuff are you speaking from experience

gazanolan Posted on 25/10/2010 19:10
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I don't think spiritualists lie they just tend to say things that people want to hear. I have been told things in the past that made me think this stuff is real but as I said earlier Im now getting cynical in my old age. Some one once told me if there was an afterlife they would visit me to show they were OK , as yet no visit that Im aware of. I guess no one will believe or understand this until something happens that defies logic. Shame you're so far away Raglasher

SplendidStuff Posted on 25/10/2010 19:10
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Why do you keep talking about experience, you have no experience, you CANNOT talk to dead people because they are DEAD.


If you think you hear voices i would seriously get some help.

ThePrisoner Posted on 25/10/2010 20:04
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My prediction came true! I'm fecking psychic[:D]

raglasher Posted on 25/10/2010 20:20
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Splendid stuff Can you recommend me to the doctor you are seeing [:D]

SplendidStuff Posted on 25/10/2010 20:35
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I dont see a doctor, but by the sounds of it you dont either, you use your special gift to heal people[:D]