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sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 10:53
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Great. This comment was made in reference to the signings of Rooney & Ronaldo. Each signed for a fortune, each was on the brink of world class level when they signed and each were wonder kids, plucked from their clubs for tens of millions.

West Brom signing Dorrans for pennies is spotting potential. Wenger signing reserves from the top clubs that are not getting games is spotting potential.

Skunking millions on big name players is not spotting potential.

Fergie they signed for you because you paid them a fortune and guarenteed them success. Now that they can get bigger money elsewhere they will go.

Now XXXXXX off and sign Jack Wilkshire apparently he has good potential.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 10:55
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Absolute tosh Si. Ferguson is an absolute legend at spotting potential. Ronaldo was nowhere near the finished article!! He was a skinny, spotty diver with sh it hair. Now he is 2nd to Messi as the best player in the world

sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 10:57
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absolute tosh Bandy. Ronaldo was signed for £12 million as the man to replace Beckham.

He would have become a star wherever he went, fact is no other club outside the world elite could afford to pay that kind of money.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 10:59
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Ok then. Nani. What will he be worth in 5 yrs time? I think you have a chip on your shoulder about ferguson. He is the best in the business. The rafael twins - what about them - they'll be top drawer. Vidic - superb. Not to mention the youth players he has brough through!! Dont understand where you are coming from

Libbins Posted on 21/10/2010 10:59
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I have to say, he's a genius at most things, but spotting potential is certainly not on the list IMO

Libbins Posted on 21/10/2010 11:02
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Nani was £17m. Same for Anderson.

T1ffy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:02
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sitheman - I agree with you, man utd have baught the title for many years now.

They are skint and most of the players are wanting away. Soon all the oldies will be gone to leaving the youngens who are ok. I think fergie will be leaving shortly

GillZean Posted on 21/10/2010 11:02
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Ronaldo was pretty much unheard of in Portugal when Newton Heath bought him.

He has bought his fair share of duffers over the years, usually for a big wedge.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:04
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Giggs (?), Scholes, Nevilles, Beckham, Butt, O'shea, Fletcher, Da Silva twins.

But also who he has brought in, Evra (5mill!) Vidic (7mill) Cantona (1mill!) etc

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:06
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Kanchelskis....

Bruce....

Pally....

Evra....

Vidic....

Schmeichel...

Parker....

Piquet....

Solskjaer....

Libbins Posted on 21/10/2010 11:09
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You can't have Pique cos he sold him back to Barca and is now one of the best central defenders in the world.

Anyway, I'm not saying he can't spot talent, of course he can, but I am saying it's not one of his best assets and there are other managers out there who are better at it than him

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:10
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< back peddles > [;)]

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:10
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like?

ccole Posted on 21/10/2010 11:12
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Dont win anything with Kids.... FACT

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:13
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[:D]

Libbins Posted on 21/10/2010 11:13
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well, Wenger

Manfriday Posted on 21/10/2010 11:13
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Kleberson anyone?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:14
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For fergies Kleberson, take a Wenger Jeffers [;)]

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:14
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wenger is no better or worse than spotting potential than Sir Alex. Why hasnt wenger spotted a centre half yet in all his time at Arsenal?

ccole Posted on 21/10/2010 11:18
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What odds would you get for Utd to win the League within the next three years?

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:18
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Lets chuck keano in there aswell. Bit of a daft lad at Forest. World class international at United

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:19
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Probs better odds than Wengers Arsenal [^]

sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 11:20
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Nani at £17 million is hardly signing potential is it. Clubs (such as us) have gambled PL status on signings for much less than this who are tried and tested.

Pallister was a British record at the time wasnt it? Similar to signing Ferdinand when he did.

The point was however in reference to his spotting of the potential of Rooney & Ronaldo.

The_263 Posted on 21/10/2010 11:21
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Fergy's ManU is heading south. He's decided to have a couple of stage-managed Press Conferences (where he has banned journalists from asking questions) to assuage the fans and to alienate them from Rooney. How about sticking that red-nose into a BBC camera or microphone. His many Irish-cockneys followers are falling for it. The club is skint and being fleeced by its Yank owners. Fergy The Great is saying nowt about the real bad guys in this case - just the guy who has a fetish for grannies and who can potentially rip off, legally, the club by ~£50M.

Fergy's argument is weak, flawed and highly hypocritical. Rooney has outgrown the stature of ManU as it stands and richer clubs are willing to pay him more for his services. Times have changed in football and clearly a doddery Fergy has not. ManU is no longer a "sell" for elite players.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:21
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So you are basing your full arguemnt on 2 higher profile signings, and will ignore the list above of the actual potential he has signed or brought through.

Boromart Posted on 21/10/2010 11:21
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Kanchelskis....was already a constant performer for his country and had been for 2 or 3 years, when they signed him. He wasn't an unknown

Bruce....wasn't a top class player

Pally....record signing for a defender, was already an international, and it could be argued that although he won a fair few trophies he didn't actually progress into the player he had promised to be.

Evra....he had aready played for his country and played in a champs league final.

Vidic....fair enough, good player picked from eastern europe, but I think he was well known amongst big clubs. They had competition to sign him.

Schmeichel...had won teh European Championships and playted champs league footy. He was 28 when he went to Man Utd!

Parker....his best form was at Man Utd, but he had been around the top flight for years


Solskjaer....fair point

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:22
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"a doddery Fergie"

harsh. This is when he is at his best

Manfriday Posted on 21/10/2010 11:23
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Ok, how about david bellion, eric djemba djemba, veron, liam miller, forlan and taibi?

sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 11:23
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Keane was another British record wasnt he?

£3.4 million at the time is like Man U signing a £20 million midfielder today.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:24
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Boromart: You should change your name to Rothmans

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:25
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Manfriday your right all shocking at Utd. However all managers make that mistake. Doenst mean he cant spot potential and talent still.

The_263 Posted on 21/10/2010 11:25
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Bandy, not having a dig but this vvankfest over ManU has to stop!!

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:26
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on the XXXXXXfest point directed at Bandy- i actually hate Utd with a passion, but Im big enough to say Fergie is a good manager who can spot the talent and potential in players.

Manfriday Posted on 21/10/2010 11:29
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How could i forget guiseppe rossi :)

billdoor Posted on 21/10/2010 11:29
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Ferguson's been in the game for decades, you could name a list of great signings as long as his bad ones. He has some good moments but he's not in the same league as Wenger.

'Spotting potential', to me, means seeing a young player, buying him cheap and then developing him. No-one does that better than Wenger.


Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:30
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w ankfest? I'm a Boro fan mate. Nothing else. No other club matters. However, I can appreciate talent and certainly appreciate the empire that ferguson has assembled especially considering they were heading down when he went there. The bloke is a managerial genius.

Libbins Posted on 21/10/2010 11:31
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"How could i forget guiseppe rossi"

Good shout, so good he got rid of him early doors too, didn't spot that one did he? He was right under his nose.

Cracking player is Rossi

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:32
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lets see how much hernandez fetches in 3 yrs time

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:33
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To be fair Rossi is decent. Nothing more.

Wouldnt keep Berbatov or Rooney out of a team. He isnt up there in the top 10, or even 20 players in the world.

Probs get into a Liverpool side nowadays. [V]

Manfriday Posted on 21/10/2010 11:33
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Who is that kid he signed in the summer for a fortune, months after he was offered him for pennies? The last i heard, he was that bad he couldnt even get into the reserve team

sasboro1 Posted on 21/10/2010 11:34
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ofcourse he will have signed some bad players..hes been there over 20 years now.
wenger has signed some duffers too, as have all managers

The_263 Posted on 21/10/2010 11:35
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I agree he has been capable of building an empire (with a pretty big budget and superb brand) but it doesn't mean I agree with him when he's coming across all holier than thou!

BTW: didn't he steal Giggs from Man City?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:35
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agree with Sas.

too many people are blinded by Fergie hate on here.

wasnt sure on Giggs myself, i thought i remember hearing something like that a while back.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:36
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the cost of the players means nothing. That is negotiated by the clubs. The crux of the matter here is whether or not they improve under ferguson and nine time sout of ten they do

Manfriday Posted on 21/10/2010 11:38
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Your right sas, all managers make bad signings but not all managers proclaim to be kings at spotting potential, which was the original point i believe

Rodders_T Posted on 21/10/2010 11:38
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Not sure you could put Rossi, Veron or Forlan in the group.

All excellent players just couldn't cut it in the EPL. All been excellent players elsewhere in slower paced leagues

Wenger - Almunia, Fabianski, Igor Stepanovs, Pascal Cygan, Oleg Luzhny, Chris Wreh, Nelson Vivas, Boa Morte, Reyes, Gilles Grimandi,

woodymfc Posted on 21/10/2010 11:42
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Does'nt 23 years in charge of one club tell you something

smoggieboy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:47
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is it not the scouting team that spots this potential

fergusons admited to habve never seen this new signing bebe ever play and they shelled 7m on him!!!

when wenger joined arsenal first thing he did was set up a scouting network

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:49
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wengers scouting network involves ringing up every club in france and negotiating a knock down price for all the best talent and hoping that they come good. He bought jermain pennant and did absolutley knack all with him

sasboro1 Posted on 21/10/2010 11:49
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didnt he find Gerard Piqué from barcelona youths before he was sold back?

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 11:50
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yes sas but that has been conveniently ignored

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 11:51
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Lets not forget Wenger 'spotted' the potential our old mate Aliadiere [cr]

Get_your_rat_out Posted on 21/10/2010 11:51
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Typical Man Utd & Fergie hatred by people who know fcuk all [^]

Manfriday Posted on 21/10/2010 11:54
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Fergie nearly ruined piques career. Why buy a player, not play him then get rid of him before he really starts to shine? See also forlan and rossi. Its ok saying they wernt cut out for the premier league, but surely thats part of spotting the potential?

sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 11:57
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Yeah but that is the kinda the point. Ali did have potential and the fact he was signed for next to nothing makes it a good spot, yes it did not work our for ali as he has the heart of a pea and is bong eyed but he still made a profit on him.

Now if he has signed Ali from Lyon for £15 million after having a great 3 years in French football, star of the school boys, star of the under 17's, 18's and 21's and already an international at under 20 then you cannot really say that the boy has potential as he has already shown it hence the massive price tag and international recognition.

Fergie has in the past signed good players with poetntial Lee Sharpe & David Beckham spring to mind. But for the large part Fergie has always signed the cream of English and World football for massive sums. This is not spotting potential it is flexing your muscle as the biggest club in the world.

GillZean Posted on 21/10/2010 11:58
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LMFC,

He spotted Aliadiere as raw potential. Realised he wass hite, and stitched us up with him. A stroke of genius I'd say.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 12:01
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Well has fergie not done the same, thought they were good, came they were chite and moved them on...

yet you slate him for doing the exact same [:I]

T1ffy Posted on 21/10/2010 12:03
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Wengers eye for talent is far better than fergies.

Now the big cheques are gone at utd lets see what he does over the next couple of years. [xx(]

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 12:12
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"lets see what he does over the next couple of years"

he'll just have to prove himself for the fourth time then

otto62 Posted on 21/10/2010 12:22
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Wenger signs players no one has heard of, who've done nothing, for peanuts - some come good some don't. That's attempting to spot 'potential' and develop it.

Ferguson signs players who everyone has heard of, for record fees - some make the step to Premier League level some don't. That's buying 'known talent' and trying to develop it.

Ferguson is great at what he does, but it's not my definition of 'spotting potential'.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 12:24
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so giggs, scholes, beckham, the two nevilles, butt, fletcher, etc etc dont count cos they were already at United since they were in nappies

UAUA Posted on 21/10/2010 12:24
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Most of Fergusons success at ManU is based on the good fortune of having 5 or 6 top class youth players land in his lap. Thats not to say he isnt a great manager though, just overstated.


sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 12:24
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spot on otto.

the point fergi made actually rerefenced ronaldo & rooney as the 'potential'

how much did he pay for Rooney?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 12:26
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"is based on the good fortune of having 5 or 6 top class youth players land in his lap"

oh dear

Man Utd are so lucky to have a good youth system, by chance, which fergie has nothing at all to do with.

leave_my_arse_alona Posted on 21/10/2010 12:28
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Wenger signed Fabregas, Van persie and Clichy within the same month

combined transfer value . . . . . 525K


Wenger has more knowledge of the world game than any manager ever. Arsenal wouldnt have a new stadium without him. made the club a fortune

sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 12:28
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Fergie certianly had a degree of luck with those players but he still made them world beaters and a top rate team.

Players like Giggs, Sharpe and Beckham were not acadamy players they had to be brought into the youth system so it took an eye for potential. Although in the Giggs case he was a rare talent that wanted to sign for Man U (as did Beckham) and who Utd pulled out all the stops to sign.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 12:29
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Wenger signs them younger than Fergie does, but you can't just dismiss Ferguson's ability to spot a player.

He also brings through a lot of lads who've been at the club since they were in short trousers: The title winning team of the nineties, then Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea and now it'll be the likes of Evans and Gibson.

Throw in Denis Irwin and Ji-Sung Park to the list of players signed for relative peanuts who developed into top players under Ferguson.

He's signed a load of duffers too, but that's what happens when you're at the one club for such a long period.

Wenger has also signed some sh*te in his time: Richard Wright, Christopher Wreh, Giovanni Van Bronckhorst did nothing to justify the £8m spent on him, David Grondin, Oleg Luzhny, Franny Jeffers.

Wenger has developed some of the best players in the world over the last 10-15 years, but some of those were already established professionals who were, like some of Fergie's buys, widely-anticipated to enjoy successful careers. Henry, Vieira, Petit, Sagna, Adebayor, Ljungberg and Pires were all playing regular first-team football before the joined Arsenal.

To dismiss either of their records is a bit daft, in my opinion. They've worked hard to get to one of the top clubs and be afforded the luxury of being able to tap into such huge resources. They both have a great record for developing young talent and deserve respect for that.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 12:29
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therefore spotting potential!

UAUA Posted on 21/10/2010 12:30
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"Man Utd are so lucky to have a good youth system, by chance, which fergie has nothing at all to do with"

They were lucky that all thise players arrived at the same time. This point is clearly demonstrated that since then they have had nowhere near the same amount or quality of youngster come through.

The argument isnt rocket science.

billdoor Posted on 21/10/2010 12:30
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Wenger also signed Anelka for 500k, sold him for 22m and used the money to sign Henry, Pires and Wiltord.

Signed Toure for 125k, sold him for 25m.

IF anyone can find a league of managers profit/loss, Wenger will be well out in front.


Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 12:32
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So ignoring Wengers dealings - as i personally believe he is better, but the thread creator stated Fergie couldnt spot potential, I think the thread proves that Fergie can actually spot potential. Perhap not as much as others, but history clearly shows that he can identify it.

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Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 12:34
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the thread has become a bit of a joke. The most successful manager ever being questioned on whether he can spot potential. What the hell was he doing at Aberdeen then? Tossing it off?

UAUA Posted on 21/10/2010 12:34
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He can spot potential when it is staring him in the face and it costs a record transfer fee.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 12:36
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[:I]

Rodders_T Posted on 21/10/2010 12:36
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"Wenger signed Fabregas, Van persie and Clichy within the same month

combined transfer value . . . . . 525K"

What a fukking idiot!!! [:D]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 12:37
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Fergie won't be far behind when it comes to profit, despite shelling out a lot on Rooney, Veron, Ferdinand, Berbatov etc.

Beckham was clear profit, though I can't remember how much he went to Madrid for.

Ronaldo was signed for £12m and sold for £80m(was it £80m?).

Also add Paul Ince to Ferguson's list of players developed.


*edit - Bob Van Persie was £2.5m wasn't he?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 12:38
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Wenger is unreal at spotting talent, but that wasnt the issue with this thread.

Van Persie - 2.75mill with add ons. Still great business.

UAUA Posted on 21/10/2010 12:38
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Now youre talking Bandy, his acheivements at Aberdeen were immense.

Hercules Posted on 21/10/2010 12:39
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He clearly can spot potential. Just look at his team now. Vidic and Evra, 2 of the best players in the world in their positions, signed for £12m(?).

But using Rooney as an example of him spotting potential is comical.

For what it's worth I don't think Ferguson's record is any better or worse than most top managers at spotting potential.

Even Southgate had a few gems.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 12:40
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which renders the thread title useless. Of course he can spot potential!!

Mark McGee
Strach
Eric Black
Willie Miller
jim Leighton
Alex McCleish

all excelled under Ferguson at Aberdeen

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 12:40
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At the risk of turning the thread into another Southgate bash-a-thon, i'm struggling to think of any 'gems' he may have unearthed, to be honest with you.

Rodders_T Posted on 21/10/2010 12:42
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Dion Dublin

sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 12:43
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Great. This comment was made in reference to the signings of Rooney & Ronaldo. Each signed for a fortune, each was on the brink of world class level when they signed and each were wonder kids, plucked from their clubs for tens of millions.

West Brom signing Dorrans for pennies is spotting potential. Wenger signing reserves from the top clubs that are not getting games is spotting potential.

Skunking millions on big name players is not spotting potential.

Fergie they signed for you because you paid them a fortune and guarenteed them success. Now that they can get bigger money elsewhere they will go.

Now XXXXXX off and sign Jack Wilkshire apparently he has good potential.

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Read the first 15 words of my origional post again and stop XXXXXXing over acadamy players.

Rooney - was not potential when he signed he was already the main man.

Ronaldo - was not potential when he signed, he was a £12 million replacement winger for Beckham.

Hercules Posted on 21/10/2010 12:45
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Bandy, you're conveniently ignoring the rest of his post. His very first line make sit clear he's talking about the reference to Rooney and Ronaldo.

Southgate brought us Tuncay and Young for £2.5m and sold them for £12m.

I can accept that you may disagree with this being evidence of him being able to spot potential so we'll leave it at that and allow the thread to stay on topic.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 12:45
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[:I]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 12:45
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When you're signing 17 and 18 year-old lads for such big money, you still aren't buying the finished article, irrespective of their fee at the time.

You still have to nurture them into becoming top players.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 12:49
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Ronaldo may have cost a lot because he was a calculated risk but Ferguson spotted what he could get out of him. He spotted his POTENTIAL - see what I did there? he bought him on the premise that he could teach him not to act like a cu nt, not to dive, sort his greasy hair out and behave and perform like a top footballer. End result - a world class player and 60 mill in the bank and a few yrs of trophies including a European Cup. No other manager would have seen that coming!

Hercules Posted on 21/10/2010 12:50
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But is spotting potential in Rooney, who everyone knew was going to be an awesome player, something to brag about?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 12:50
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Exactly if anyone else had spotted Ronaldos POTENTIAL like fergie did, he would have ended up costing alot more than 12mill (?) and would have had competition for his signature.

Hercules Posted on 21/10/2010 12:53
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he bought him on the premise that he could teach him not to act like a cu nt, not to dive, sort his greasy hair out

He didn't do any of that.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 12:53
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Hercules - Yes it is. Players like Whiteside and Gascoigne are similar to Rooney in that they were absolute gems as teenagers. Ferguson had to make sure he got the best out of Rooney and that he went onto achieve the success his talent meant he ought to.

Rooney was still a teenager and, despite his obvious quality at such a young age, you're still buying potential when the lad is that young.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 12:54
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ok then, he turned him into a much better footballer than he was when he first bought him

John_Lydon Posted on 21/10/2010 12:56
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There's some proper bitter b@stards on this thread.
Most of you now know i have a place in my heart for Liverpool and totally dislike manc u but slating Fergus is ridiculous.
He's rebuilt that side so many times and each time they've gone on to win trophies(still not overtaken LFC though), maybe it won't happen again, but i wont be surprised if it does.
Manc u have brought through a lot of kids and will continue to, yet some of the signings have been very poor...Jemba Jemba and Klberson being the worst by far but EVERY club makes shockingly bad signings.....ALVES???

Wenger has brought in some excellent signings but he buys them all in, whether they cost £500k or £20m, and not all of them have worked. Reyes being the costly one, Eduardo being the most recent. Wenger also doesn't bring through the kids that have come through the british ranks, he buys them all in.

Both managers have a good record for different reasons, Wenger for the style of football, Fergus for continuing to rebuild squads and pick up trophies.

As for Steve Bruce not being very good......give your head a shake.

Ronaldo signed for £12.24 after 2 years at Sporting, was sold 6 years later for £80m.

Hercules Posted on 21/10/2010 12:57
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Spotting potential is different to nurturing it.

mattyk50 Posted on 21/10/2010 12:58
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

of course it was ronaldo's potential he spotted you idiots, thats why he snapped him up for £12m and sold him for £80m 5 years later!

petedreadnought Posted on 21/10/2010 13:00
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

[:D] at rick defending Man Utd.

John_Lydon Posted on 21/10/2010 13:01
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

And asif by magic.......[V]

sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 13:07
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

I do not deny that he is a great manager (not the best but without doubt one of the greats). However if he only saw potential in Rooney then he would not pay £30 million for him.

He was signed because he was a class act, one of the best in the world. He was the darling of English football and Man U could afford to sign him as they were the richest club in the world. Rooney leaving Man U will be the same reasons he signed for.

The same with Ronaldo. He was the ready made replacement for Beckham who was great when he signed and even better when he left. Once again Ronaldo leaving Man U was for the same reasons he signed for which was £££££££££££££££££££££££££.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 13:08
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He spotted Rooneys potential aswell! Moyes never played Rooney all the time. He was an impact player for a lot of games and Fergie thought I'll have a slice of that and played him every game, including his debut in the champs league

mattyk50 Posted on 21/10/2010 13:11
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

when he scored a hatrick [^]

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 13:11
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Exactly Matty[^]

Hercules Posted on 21/10/2010 13:12
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

He spotted Rooneys potential aswell! Moyes never played Rooney all the time. He was an impact player for a lot of games and Fergie thought I'll have a slice of that and played him every game, including his debut in the champs league

What a load of XXXXXXe.

He never played every game becuase he was a young kid and Moyes wanted to avoid burnout, keep his feet on the ground etc.

If it was a case of Ferguson seeing something in him that nobody else could he wouldn't have had to pay £30m for him.

Vasily_Rats Posted on 21/10/2010 13:13
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha


Quickest ton ever?

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 13:14
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Maybe if Moyes had of played him every game they might have got better results!

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 13:14
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

I'm saying that when they're only 17, 18, 19... all you know is that they have potential. Neither Rooney nor Ronaldo were anywhere near what they are now, therefore Fergie signed potentially-great players and made sure they became just that.

Don't let the big fee get in the way of the fact that those two were just spotty kids when Fergie snapped them up.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/10/2010 13:15
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

'Kanchelskis....
Bruce....
Pally....
Evra....
Vidic....
Schmeichel...
Parker....
Piquet....'

Spot the one he didn't break the transfer record for?

Wenger's scouts spot talent. Fergy's scouts look at already developed players.

He's great at assembling teams but I wouldn't mind having a go myself with his kitty.

Hercules Posted on 21/10/2010 13:18
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

What has that hypothetical situation got to do with Ferguson's ability to spot talent? Besides, Moyes was thinking of the bigger picture of Rooney's development.

viv_andersons_nana, that comment about the distinction between spotting and nurturing talent was aimed at you.

mattyk50 Posted on 21/10/2010 13:19
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

"Spot the one he didn't break the transfer record for?"

erm, all of them?

itsthere Posted on 21/10/2010 13:19
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Rooney and Ronaldo were not difficult buys and their potential had been highlighted by other before Man Utd even considered buying them. As prviously said, Fergie can spot potential but the red nosed XXXXXXer used the wrong examples. Vidic would probably be his best current one.

sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 13:19
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

First off...loving my 100 [:D]

Secondly what the XXXXXX are you on about in regards to Rooney at Everton. Ever since he scored that goal at Arsenal he was XXXXXXed over and Evertons star player. When he sgned for Man U he was very much Evertons idol and an all time great.

In Euro 2004 he stole the show and has never repeated that form for England. In that sense how has he improved?

leave_my_arse_alona Posted on 21/10/2010 13:19
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

talk about an over reaction Rodders_T. sad man

forgot the 2 mill add ons for van persie but still great business

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 13:23
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

CTC - hahaha did any of them break a transfer record you clown,

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/10/2010 13:29
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Absolutely no idea, but they were all established players. Pally was the most expensive defender at the time.

mattyk50 Posted on 21/10/2010 13:30
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

id say schmeichel was one of the best signings of all time

John_Lydon Posted on 21/10/2010 13:31
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Add Cantona @ £1m.

Hercules Posted on 21/10/2010 13:38
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Cantona had just won the league with Leeds.

Hardly plucked him from obscurity.

RenzoRosso Posted on 21/10/2010 13:41
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Da Silva twins, only rafael is any good, he other one is chit and was bought as a make wheight in the deal. Are you seriously saying fergie found them anyway?

sasboro1 Posted on 21/10/2010 13:42
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

can anyone list all fergies manutd signings?


sitheman Posted on 21/10/2010 13:43
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Go right back to even before Fergie was at Man U and every 2/3 years Fergie will break the transfer record.

Pallister, Keane, Cole, Ferdinand.

Even when 'football died' when Man City paid a billion pound for Robinhio, Man U paid 3p less for Berbatov.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 13:45
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

because he saw the potential.

free_pint Posted on 21/10/2010 13:46
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Got bored of reading the thread so appologies if this point has been made;
he's not great at spotting potential but he is a great coach who can bring the best out of players.

Rodders_T Posted on 21/10/2010 13:49
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

"Absolutely no idea, but they were all established players. Pally was the most expensive defender at the time."

Where was Piquet established at?

mattyk50 Posted on 21/10/2010 14:13
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

established in barca under 16s [^]

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 14:15
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

He was the most established CB in his school team [;)]

sasboro1 Posted on 21/10/2010 14:15
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

"Fergie - 'I can spot potential'"

pallister,denis irwin,steve bruce,lee sharpe(he was good for a bit),giggs,schmiechel, keane,silvester,wes brown,..list is endless over his 24 years

The_263 Posted on 21/10/2010 14:19
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[?]I recall Pally being cack at Boro! Terrible player that suddenly blossomed into a footballer once he wore the red of United.[?]

[?]I recall Bruce being cack at Norwich! Terrible player that suddenly blossomed into a footballer once he wore the red of United.[?]

[?]I recall Ince being shocking at West Ham! Terrible player that suddenly blossomed into a footballer once he wore the red of United.[?]

[?]I recall Veron being brilliant for Argentina! Brilliant player that suddenly trannsformed into a dud footballer once he wore the red of United.[?]

Manfriday Posted on 21/10/2010 14:29
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

He had been at barca since he was a young kid so in a way, barca were the ones who spotted his potential :)

sasboro1 Posted on 21/10/2010 14:31
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

10 years out of someone at the top level is spotting the potential. a lot fade after 1 or 2 good seasons.

with fergie he can spot a player he will get a long career out of.

you only have to look at teams like liverpool who cant spot the talent to last 10 years


viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 14:49
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Hercules - Both Ferguson and Wenger are good at nurturing young talent. Maybe Wenger more so because he tends to sign them younger than Ferguson does but they still know how to develop a young footballer and turn them into top players.

Ferguson nurtured Ronaldo. When he first came to England he wasn't picked every week and loved to show-boat, forever doing stupid step-overs and whatnot. By the end, Ferguson had the second-best player in the world on his hands. He was a very raw player when he signed for Man.United.

Wenger has nurtured a lot of kids also. People like Fabregas, Alex Song, Denilson, Ashley Cole and Abou Diaby have all gradually come through into their first-team under him after being signed at a very young age(alright, he 'inherited' Ashley Cole).

Wenger signs players fresh out of school and looks after them, slowly bringing them into the 'ethos' of the club and gradually into the first team, he knows when to send them out on loan and when they are ready. He nurtures youngsters superbly well.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/10/2010 14:51
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Taibi.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 14:53
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Has anyone mentioned Jordi Cruyff yet?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 14:53
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Another transfer record no doubt CTC [:I]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/10/2010 14:55
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

how much was he again?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 14:56
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

4 mill i think.

The_263 Posted on 21/10/2010 14:56
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Was Ralph Milne there for 10 years?[rle]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/10/2010 14:59
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Jim Leighton [:D]

and he already knew him!

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 15:00
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Leighton - he saw the POTENTIAL drinking buddy in that one [;)]

The_263 Posted on 21/10/2010 15:01
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Bosnich was a high flyer when he left

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 15:02
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Bosnich! [:D]

Whatever happened to him?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 21/10/2010 15:03
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Last seen in a toilet cubicle with the 'sniffles' [:O]

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 15:06
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

Keet Gillespie

WillMunny Posted on 21/10/2010 15:14
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There are a lot of people on this thread that need to learn the meaning of the word potential. Spotting someone's potential doesn't mean they have to be unknown FFS.

Take Cantona. Yes he was at Leeds. Yes he was part of their title winning side. But I'm sorry, he was nowhere near the level of performance that he subsequently acheived at Man Utd. Fergie spotted his 'potential', i.e. he saw that this good player could become a great player and then bought him for peanuts.

Also Schmeichel, he was an international goalkeeper and was 28, but he was not regarded as the best in the world at that time. Fergie saw his potential to be the best and bought him. He then fulfilled his potential.

I could go on, but I cannot be arsed.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 15:15
Fergie - 'I can spot potential' ha ha ha

same here willmunny. People are missing the point completley but I cant be arsed either

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 15:19
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WillMunny - [^]

I'm going to have to pull you up on Eric, though.

He was an actor so could perform how he wanted, when he wanted, when he felt like it.

I read an interview with him the other day when he said something along the lines of 'Eric Cantona played the part of a footballer...the pitch was his stage.'

He was a genius.


*edit - WillMunny, I wanted to make a similar point about Denis Irwin. Just an average footballer but Ferguson spotted something and turned him into a top player with medals coming out of his ears. He probably paid a pittance for him. Same goes for Bruce, Parker, Solskjaer etc.

Bandy Posted on 21/10/2010 15:21
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could watch him allday long. One of the coolest blokes on the planet. He'll pop up oneday with a blockbuster gangster movie playing the bad guy and it'll be strange looking back at him being one of the best players in the world at one point

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/10/2010 15:26
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He says outrageous stuff all the time does Eric.

'I knew I was going to score before I even received the ball...'

Things like that. It's a genuine pleasure to say I saw him play.

The_263 Posted on 21/10/2010 15:28
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Leeds got shot due to him sticking his baguette into some big lips!

Cantona was a maverick, a violent loose canon and thug. But a great player on his day.

Hercules Posted on 21/10/2010 16:02
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What a spacker.