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John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 22:43
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A Texas court has granted a temporary restraining order stopping the sale of Liverpool Football Club, owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have claimed.
It comes hours after the American pair saw their challenge against the club's sale thrown out by the High Court.
Hicks and Gillett issued a statement as the Liverpool board met to ratify the sale to New England Sports Ventures.
The American duo are unhappy at the proposed 300m sale, which they described as "an epic swindle".

ThePrisoner Posted on 13/10/2010 22:49
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This is great news. Administration now looks a real possibility[^]

mattrich Posted on 13/10/2010 22:49
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Why are you bothered? This is a Boro board?

foggysfplandiet Posted on 13/10/2010 22:50
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Keep it up boys, you're doin' a fine job! [^][:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 13/10/2010 22:52
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Haha, get them out of business and relegated.[:D]

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:02
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Liverpool are the biggest club in English football and probably in the top 3 of European football behind Real and AC. Look at the special nights only the Kop can bring.

The club is an institution and don't see what good for football Liverpool being in this state would bring.


foggysfplandiet Posted on 13/10/2010 23:04
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"in the top 3 of European football behind Real and AC"

[:D]

What about a little outfit called "Manchester United" ?

mattrich Posted on 13/10/2010 23:04
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Have a word with yourself, no bigger night in european football for atmosphere than at the riverside, and man utd are a far bigger english club.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 13/10/2010 23:05
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Who cares, it'll mean Boro are one step further up the ladder[ref]

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:06
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5 European Titles to Manures 3

Forever in Liverpools shadow.

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:06
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That's as long as Boro win games Lisbon[:I]

petedreadnought Posted on 13/10/2010 23:08
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This must be difficult for you rick.

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:09
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Why is that Peter, cos he likes Manure?

I wouldn't wipe my cock on a Manure curtain.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 13/10/2010 23:12
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I really don't care for these big clubs, they milk the money until there's nothing left to gain success so if they go out of business then so be it. Karma.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 13/10/2010 23:13
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The Liverpool of 30 - 35 years ago was big in Europe. Not now. Very much a club in decline.

joebonano Posted on 13/10/2010 23:13
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oh no not another plastic bindipper on here.Why dont you f.off and talk to your fellow plastics somewhere else.We couldnt give a flying fcuk about the bindippers or the mancs for that matter.

outmac Posted on 13/10/2010 23:13
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You could learn a lot from those at F.C.
United. They did'nt like the Glaziers ,
they did something about it !

petedreadnought Posted on 13/10/2010 23:14
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I like how you used to actually call Man Utd - "Man Utd", but when people clicked on that you were rick4974 you started calling them "Man Ure" to try and hide your support for them. [:D][^]

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:15
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Peter i like how you're always barking up the wrong trees[:D][^]

arnold_judas_rimmer Posted on 13/10/2010 23:16
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To say Man U are in Liverpools shadow is proposterous.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 13/10/2010 23:17
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They took no notice of nor learned the lessons from Dirty Leeds' fall from grace.

Sadly I think it will take a couple or more of big club casualties to force football to join the real world

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:19
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To say Man U are in Liverpools shadow is proposterous.

No it isn't.

They've had all the money over the last 20 years while Liverpool did it all on a shoestring in the 70s and 80s.

petedreadnought Posted on 13/10/2010 23:19
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Is that why you're running off over to CoB to whinge about me? [:D]

Gutted rick!

picol Posted on 13/10/2010 23:19
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in the top three biggest clubs in europe? yeah fooooking right...

barca, real, ac, inter, bayern, maybe even lyon and porto are bigger now

not even in the top three in england

0/10

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:21
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Peter, you keep barking up that tree.....YNWA[:X]

joebonano Posted on 13/10/2010 23:21
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John Lydon please fcuk off.We do not want to know ,we dont care whether the bindippers are taken over by Robert Mugabe,Fidel Castro or more Yanks.

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:22
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Picol, what a load of B@llocks.

-10/10

petedreadnought Posted on 13/10/2010 23:23
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rick you should have maybe used a different article when you posted the same thing on CoB. [:o)]

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:23
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Joe......that's twice you've posted on this thread.....Not bothered my arse....YNWA[^]

joebonano Posted on 13/10/2010 23:27
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why would I be bothered?.Is it going to effect my life or quality of life?

foggysfplandiet Posted on 13/10/2010 23:28
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Liverpool were great in their heyday but they have an inherant malaise in them now which may well see them struggle for years.

They always used to promote managers from within; Paisley, Dalglish, Fagan, etc. Now they import and I think they've lost something.

Similarly with players they used to buy young talent and bring them up the Liverpool way but it all went wrong when Houllier started bying in a load of dodgy African players who just weren't up to it.

Even Gerrard has seen enough and wants out.

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:28
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Peter, maybe the 2 other posters on here tonight should of read a different article on this matter rather than reading the same article as me! Oh hang on, the same article is ALL OVER the internet.....silly me!


arnold_judas_rimmer Posted on 13/10/2010 23:28
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Everyone was on a shoe string in the 70's and 80's.

Liverpool have spent plenty in the last couple of decades. Man U have just spent better. Remember that all of this success was built on foundations layed by a very good young system in the mid to mate 90's.

If they go pop at least you won't have every other man and his plastic dog telling you they support Liverpool but never having been there.

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:29
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Gerrard will be at Anfield for LIFE. YNWA

Torres on the other hand.[xx(]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/10/2010 23:30
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'They've had all the money over the last 20 years while Liverpool did it all on a shoestring in the 70s and 80s.'

Complete fabrication.

Liverpool were big spenders.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 13/10/2010 23:31
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Can you see Liverpool catching up Man Utd or Chelsea in say the next 10 years? I can't.

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:32
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Yes i can Foggy.

Form is temporary, CLASS is permanent.

R0fl_tb_xx Posted on 13/10/2010 23:33
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I find it funny, but Liverpool are pretty irrelevant these days. I can't really bring myself to care.

arnold_judas_rimmer Posted on 13/10/2010 23:33
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"CLASS is permanent"

Are we still talking about Liverpool?

joebonano Posted on 13/10/2010 23:33
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Lydon cant you spell yawn-it's not a banned word you know.

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:34
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3 times Joe, are you still sure you're not bothered? YNWA[^]

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:35
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My mistake, 4 posts on a thread you're not bothered about.
[^]

joebonano Posted on 13/10/2010 23:38
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No I'm just passing a bit of time on a message board.O.K. then. I'm a Boro fan .Why would the ownership of Liverpool be of any interest to me?You tell me?

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:40
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I'm also a Boro fan, but growing up in the 60s Liverpool were a team i admired. Mfc pay my wages.

joebonano Posted on 13/10/2010 23:41
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What are you a steward?

foggysfplandiet Posted on 13/10/2010 23:41
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You keep the faith, John. I'll happily meet you here in 10 years' time to see what happened. [:D]

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:42
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Yes i am a steward, as well as a self employed window cleaner[^]

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:43
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And before the uptheirownarses come along, i am a retired Plater and spent my term down at Smiths Dock.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 13/10/2010 23:45
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I love the righteous indignation of their fans now it's gone t1ts up. Where was this outrage when the Americans came in? Nowhere because this "special club" sh1t only kicks in when it's all gone wrong.

They were happy to flog the legacy to the states when it looked like they might throw money at the problem.

And now we get this ludicrously self-indulgent campaigning as only LFC fans could possibly manage.

I hope they get screwed.

joebonano Posted on 13/10/2010 23:45
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I hope your not the useless cnut who cleans my windows.

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:46
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Where do you live Joe?

joebonano Posted on 13/10/2010 23:48
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Makem territory according to Gibbo

petedreadnought Posted on 13/10/2010 23:50
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Where was this outrage when the Americans came in? Nowhere because this "special club" sh1t only kicks in when it's all gone wrong.
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viv was spewing this same XXXXXXe the other night.

Why would they, other than the ones that actually were, be outraged when someone buys the club and offers to build a new stadium and bring financial support?


And now we get this ludicrously self-indulgent campaigning as only LFC fans could possibly manage
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Funny, 'cos Man Utd's Green&Gold have managed too.

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:50
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Unfortunately it's not me, i do Eston & surrounding area.

I can come to billog if you need a decent cleaner.....and i promise not to wear my Gerrard shirt...YNWA[^]

petedreadnought Posted on 13/10/2010 23:53
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joebonano, if you want a DJ give him a call. [^]

John_Lydon Posted on 13/10/2010 23:54
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A dJ, your f@cking joking aren't ya, i can't even use a hi-fi.

Boro_Dave91 Posted on 14/10/2010 00:19
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Trying not to sell the club for 300million I'm orite with but trying to get over 1billion in damages (not sure why?) I think is a bit steep [V]

abcdefg Posted on 14/10/2010 00:21
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If Liverpool go into administration and lose 9 points, it would be great, apart from listening to the moaning victim Scousers as usual.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 14/10/2010 00:44
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peterdreadnaught

What I mean is that a lot of the rhetoric now is "yanks this, yanks that" "they don't understand what it means to the fans" "they're using the club for their own financial gain"...

er, no sh1t. What did you expect? Two texan businessmen thought they'd just come in for the good of the club and have the best interests of scousers at heart? Fans were either massively naive (borderline stupid) if that's the case or in fact they were prepared to accept the $$$ and the purely business motivation behind it as long as it brought success. If that's the case then I'm saying that all the moralising over motives and anti-american sentiment is a bit after the horse has bolted.

And when I talk about the self-indulgent drivel, I'm referring to that 6min whingey video where minor celebs spout cliches and one idiot makes a comparison to a family being raped.

United fans' protest is a slightly more subtle approach to it and of course many of them had the courage of their convictions and actually started a new club.

newyddion Posted on 14/10/2010 02:20
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6th Liverpool ($822m)


Link: Top 20 Richest Football Clubs in the World

djlocky9999 Posted on 14/10/2010 07:37
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how does that rich list work when the majoirty of the teams are in publically known debt to their eyeballs. barca, man u, arse, liverpool,

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2010 09:40
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What the fck is this 'YNWA' that he keeps posting ... ?

FFS ... Why am I even getting wound up by it ... [V]

PP ... x

Muttley Posted on 14/10/2010 09:50
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yawn (anag.)

GO Tom, GO George.

Uh-huh administration, administration, it's what you need.

As an aside what the fugg has a court injunction in Texas got to do with Liverpool Football Club. I would have thought they can simply ignore it as outside the jurisdiction of the USA?

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 09:51
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The most famous song ever to be sung by football fans.




Link: listen to this and let it inspire your day

billdoor Posted on 14/10/2010 09:56
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"What the fck is this 'YNWA' that he keeps posting ... ?"

I think he's just a big fan of the village people.

Don't care in the slightest who owns them, just dock them 9 points for fun[^]

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 10:15
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FAF to see the bindippers stressing out over this. They have had it good long enough but no club has a given right to remain at the top.

They were happy to ride the gravy train but lets face it they can't afford a ticket on that express now. You need to be spending 60-100m a year (for the next 3 or 4 seasons) on players to get aboard and even the new yank owners won't afford that (if they get in). It's very doubtful that they can match Manure, Arse, Chelsea and Man City in the transfer market. So a return to the chumps league is a long way off for them. Like the rest of us they will continue to fall further behind.


Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 10:23
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"What did you expect? Two texan businessmen thought they'd just come in for the good of the club and have the best interests of scousers at heart?"
When the money started to pour into the chumps league and premier league of course foreign interest is going to come in. Liverpool and Manure where leading forces in changing the financial landscape of the English and European game. To complain when someone else comes in and earns a profit is a bit naive of them. The fans of these clubs want to have their cake and eat it [rle] Do they expect some rich Liverpool fan to be able to compete with the Chelsea and An City's of this world? The Moores family couldn't compete anymore, and were quite happy to sell up at a nice profit.

"6th Liverpool ($822m)"
$822m what? Revenue? profit? If it's revenue then it is from when they were still in the chumps league. That will drop dramatically. If it's profit then that is rubbish because they would pay the debt off! I'm guessing this figure is some weird calculation based on revenue from 18 months ago projected revenue this year and assets (predominantly players that were within the last published accounting period). It seems a pretty meaningless set of figures TBH.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2010 10:27
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I'm not a fan of people making accronyms out of everything like ... It's happening more and more ... My working day is filled with TLA's (Three letter accronyms) such as AFP, ETC, AFC, KPI ...

I'd have much preffered it if you'd have just posted 'You'll Never Walk Alone' as that's what they actually sing ... In fact, I'd hazard a guess that there's not a single scouser who knows what an accronym is ...

You'll be hard pushed to hear the Kop belting out 'WOWOWHIYHAYNWAYNWA' at 7:55 on a Champions League night ...

SMB ...

PP ... x

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 10:29
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I can't beleive you have just sat and worked out "WOWOWHIYHAYNWAYNWA" [:P]

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2010 10:32
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Ha ha ... I must admit, I'm quite good with Accronyms ... I didn't actually work it out, I merely typed it as I said it in my head ...

I can do it with any words ... For example, this post would be ...

HHIMAIQGWAIDAWIOIMTIAISIIMHICDIWAWFETPWB ...

[:D][^]

PP ... x

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 14/10/2010 10:37
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"The club is an institution "

No more than any other. Like Wimbledon for example.

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 10:39
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exactly DD, that statement smacks of arrogance that they are somehow more important than everyone else, that they 'deserve' to be at the top table and winning trophies forever. Anything that stops that happening is in their eyes bad for the game.

I'm sorry that's just bollox.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2010 10:44
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EDDTSSOATTASMITEETTDTBATTTAWTFATSTHIITEBFTGISTJB ...

[^]

PP ... x

GGGG Posted on 14/10/2010 11:31
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Spurs fans do acroynms a fair bit, couple of lads i know are spurs fans and say COYS to each other, the nobheads.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 11:50
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Which fans's don't think they have some divine right to be doing better than they are? I wonder if Boromart was calling the Boro fans on here arrogant when they said we deserved to be in the Premier League, where we belong.

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 12:02
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Most fans hope they do better, but don't believe in a divine right.

But the point is that Liverpoo believe they should forever be at the top, just because they were unbeatable during the 70s and 80s. The key difference (between Boro fans and red bin-dippers) is that for the finances we have we feel we should have a better return, rightly so. We are one of hte best financed clubs in this division, so our failure shows mismanagement. Liverpoo fans believe they should be winning trophies, even though they simply do not have the finances to compete. This is the key difference that has flown over your head.

Pete, you're very quick to pick up the vague similarities when forming analogies, but you are completely inept at identifies the huge differences that make your analogies nonsensical.

I'm not sure why you have picked 4 or 5 people on this board that you always respond to taking a completely opposing stand. It seems to be some vague attempt to justify your 'intelligence' by attempting to belittle others, very odd behaviour. I suppose I should be flattered that you have recognised me as someone you would like to be superior to, keep working at it though you have a long way to go. [:P]

mickbrown Posted on 14/10/2010 12:07
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Thing is when my dad started out watching football, Liverpool were a second division club.

Success is cyclical, and their best days are way behind them now.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 12:11
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Just highlighting your ignorance, Boromart, that's all. You're quick to make stereotypical comments about others and pigeon hole an entire fanbase, but when it happens on your doorstep we get these garbage long-winded excuses as usual. [^]

And trying to be taken seriously when you come out with childish nonsense like "bin dippers" or "Liverpoo" sums up your intelligence to a tee.

Oh, and PP, "YNWA" isn't an acronym. An acronym has be a word like AIDS, or NATO.

MarlonD Posted on 14/10/2010 12:14
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What a shame for the champions of self-pity city.

George1507 Posted on 14/10/2010 12:58
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Thing is, Gillett and Hicks are right. They own the club, if they're being forced to sell it then they are being swindled somehow.

There can't be a situation where they MUST sell it when they don't want to, unless they've been really stupid and signed something which allows them to be forced out.

I don't believe they are stupid - therefore someone must be tricking them. Or trying to.

peterkay Posted on 14/10/2010 13:02
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they owe RBS 300 million and have nt repaid the direcvtors have the authority to sell the club, as the high ourt areed. The high court will grant again in favour of the directors and the texan court can whistle


Link:

Vasily_Rats Posted on 14/10/2010 13:05
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Fingers crossed for Liverpool to be relegated.

joebonano Posted on 14/10/2010 13:05
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Peter I see the oriental who has bid bid is apparently a Man Utd fan who has made big money out of his Man Utd themed bars in Asia.
What a dirty grubby world football has become at the top level.Rotten to the core.

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 13:47
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Agreed mickbrown, it is cylical and before the mid-60s Liverpool were not a 'big' club and thus they return.

"Just highlighting your ignorance"
Pete, you have highlighted nothing but your own stupidity and arrogance. Not that this is news to most people on here.

"You're quick to make stereotypical comments"
Not at all, just replace 'Liverpoo fans' with any of:
- 'some Liverpoo fans',
- 'most Liverpool fans' or
- 'many Liverpoo fans'.

I'm not going to spell out everything for you. It's obvious that some bindippers are decent folk, I shouldn't need to spell that out to you. Seriously have you got a form of Autism? You're black and white interpretation, lack of empathy and lack of social skills would indicate so.

billdoor Posted on 14/10/2010 13:48
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I do love the idea of a fan of ANY team thinking of their club as a national institution[:D]

Such things are usually held dear by the nation. If you could do a poll of English football fans and ask how they think of Liverpool, the majority of the country would range from 'don't care at all' to 'despise them'.


Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 13:52
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billdoor, they have been media darlings for so long that many of them [;)] believe the hype.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 14:05
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[:D]

Boromart, the irony of your posts is unbelievable. I genuinely do not think I've come across a more arrogant pleb who proclaims to know so much about football, yet actually shows so little as you do.

Unfortunately Boromart, you're unable to look at anything regarding football objectively, you let your intense bitterness and hatred cloud any rational opinion you might express, which is why we get this childish nonsense from you, profound ignorance and lack of self awareness.

We get it; anything deluded or absurd a few Liverpool fans say is representative of the entire fanbase. Anything similar a few Boro fans on here say, isn't.

Oh, and the attempt at medical diagnosis is a cute touch too.

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 14:08
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Pot, kettle and black pete. Think about it.

"We get it; anything deluded or absurd a few Liverpool fans say"
Rubbish plenty of Liverpoo fans have a belief that they should be winning trophies, I have known plenty of them in my time.

TEll me Pete, you didn't answer this the other week so I will try again. Do you think the game is in a healthy state?

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 14:11
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I do love the idea of a fan of ANY team thinking of their club as a national institution

Such things are usually held dear by the nation. If you could do a poll of English football fans and ask how they think of Liverpool, the majority of the country would range from 'don't care at all' to 'despise them'.
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billdoor, one thing I find with football is the amount of junk some people come out with in the media. Like when players go on about how great and big a club is they've just signed for and how they're looking forward to being part of good things there.

Some people take things that are said far too literally, try it with a pinch of salt. [^]

grantus Posted on 14/10/2010 14:13
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For the record, when Liverpool were winning things, they were by far and away the biggest spenders around, they bought their success by sweeping up the best players, just like Chelsea - the selection to choose from was just a lot smaller in those days.

shoestring? in comparison to today yes, in comparison to the competition of the time, absolute nonsense.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 14:19
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See there you go with your pigeon-holing crap again. Beautiful stuff!

I don't remember you asking that question Boromart, but I don't think the game is either healthy or unhealthy. It has its positives and negatives, which it always has and always will have.

I don't realistically expect football to be perfect so I appreciate it for how it is. There's things I dislike and then there are things I thoroughly enjoy. Each to their own I guess, but I can't understand why someone who hates football as much as you do, even bothers with any participation at any level whatsoever.

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 14:26
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pete are you incapable of holding a debate without resorting to childish insults? Try it.

"I don't realistically expect football to be perfect"
Neither do I, but is it, particularly in this country, in a healthy state? Is it getting healthier or weaker?

I would suggest the disparagy between finances, the near closed door access to the champs league, the lack of competition, and the influx of foreign ownership has been to long term detriment of the game. What are your thoughts on this matter?


petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 14:33
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pete are you incapable of holding a debate without resorting to childish insults? Try it.
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Do you even begin to see the irony of comments like this, or are you one of these people on here who think they can get away with petty insults, but then cry whenever someone calls them "ignorant"?

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 14:35
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so the answer is no then?

I have never insulted you first on a thread. I would much rather talk football than getting into a petty fight, that's what my wife is for.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 14:43
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so the answer is no then?
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No, what?

I think I clarified my position in the post previous to yours. I don't particularly consider the game to be in an unhealthy or healthy state. Personally, there are positives that outweigh the negatives and vice-versa.



I have never insulted you first on a thread. I would much rather talk football than getting into a petty fight, that's what my wife is for.
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You mean like in this thread?

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 14:46
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[rle] please point out where I started to have a go at you. I think you will find it was in reference to your banal games you were playing the other day, not just to me but ot a couple of other regular posters, where you were being abusive and argumentative. Same old pete. You cyber stailked me, but claim it was someone else who is in the wrong. [rle]

So please cut the petty squables and get back to the debate. You don't think the game is particularly unhealthy, even though a record number of clubs are going bankrupt and a record level of debt is carried throughout the game? That is normal and a sign that things are not brilliant, but ok?

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 14:53
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Are you just wanting me to repeat myself over and over again until the end of time?

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 14:56
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it's called debate pete, I apparently hate football and know nothing about it. You love it and know lots. So please now tell me how you have come up with the conclusion that football is currently healthy when all the indicators say otherwise. If you don't want to back up your statements fine, and it's just a flippent opinion made from a position of ignorance then fine, just say so.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 15:05
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See, now you're getting frustrated and resorting to lies and fabrication.

What about my previous statement about me personally thinking the game is neither more healthy or unhealthy led you to the conclusion that I think football is actually healthy?

I'm not for one second suggesting that the amount of debt some clubs are in is ideal or good for the game, far from it.

Not everyone loathes football like you do, Boromart. We're not all bitter and resentful because things aren't going to well with Boro. I'm not going to lash out at football in its entirety because our position is far from ideal.

boro8686 Posted on 14/10/2010 15:19
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its a tricky one this, having lived through our own financial troubles and liquidation i would usually say i wouldnt wish it on any club, but with liverpool its hard to sympathise.

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 15:50
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"What about my previous statement about me personally thinking the game is neither more healthy or unhealthy led you to the conclusion that I think football is actually healthy?"
Well it has to be on or the other, get the splinters out your arsh and jump one side or the other. If you don't think the game is unhealthy, then it must be healthy to some extent.

"I'm not for one second suggesting that the amount of debt some clubs are in is ideal or good for the game, far from it."
Right so now we are getting somewhere. Why do you think that this unprecedented debt level exists and is it not in itself a huge indicator of the health of the game? I'm not alone is this feeling, swathes of people feel this way. Leeds, Suothampton, Liverpool, Manure, Cardiff loads of clubs, from huge to small are and have struggled badly for some time (pre-recession).

"Not everyone loathes football like you do, Boromart."
I don't loath football. I dislike the people that run football. The FA, UEFA and FIFA. I dislike those who use the game to make extortionate amounts of money, the biggest culprit being Rupert Murdoch. I dislike the dismantelling of the culture of our game, so that chairman can syphon the record income out of the game. I feel it would be better off, not having all this cash.

"We're not all bitter and resentful because things aren't going to well with Boro."
I told you before I have felt this way about hte way the game has been (badly) run for years, including our time in the UEFA cup.

"I'm not going to lash out at football in its entirety because our position is far from ideal."
Put yer handbag away woman. 'Lashing out at football in its entireity', jees, I've never heard so much melodramatic claptrap since, well probably your previous post! I lash out at those who run/ruin the game, not the game itself.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 16:05
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You've just had a go at me for my "black and white interpretation" (whatever that is) and now that's exactly what you want me to be because I don't share your hatred of football.

grantus Posted on 14/10/2010 16:11
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Dundee have 4 days to pay a 350,00+ unpaid tax bill or they could be gone.

Boromart Posted on 14/10/2010 17:44
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ME: "If you don't think the game is unhealthy, then it must be healthy to some extent."

Pete: "You've just had a go at me for my "black and white interpretation" (whatever that is) and now that's exactly what you want me to be because I don't share your hatred of football."

Firsty, you clearly know what a black and white interpretation is, otherwise you couldn't have said "now that's exactly what you want me to be"! You could start an argument in a room with just you in it [rle]

Secondly, you would have to be pretty stupid to interpret "it must be healthy TO SOME EXTENT" as being black and white. I have clearly made reference to degrees of health.

Yet again you fail to answer the questions in the spirit they are put to you, you would rather falsely or stupidly (you chose) pick on individual bits then actually face the whole thing. Fair enough, but don't try and claim to have some deep knowledge of the game, or of the football businesses, when quite clearly you haven't made any effort to analyse them.

You won't answer about the state of the game with a straight bat, because you will either agree with me that it's on a downward curve, or you will disagree and stand as a lone (and deluded) voice.

I'm bored with you, I thought with a bit of pushing you might actual say something insightful....but that's clearly never going to happen.

billdoor Posted on 14/10/2010 17:56
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"billdoor, one thing I find with football is the amount of junk some people come out with in the media. Like when players go on about how great and big a club is they've just signed for and how they're looking forward to being part of good things there.

Some people take things that are said far too literally, try it with a pinch of salt. "

Who's on about the media, I'm referring to the person in this thread who said Liverpool are a national institution[?]

I've met plenty of Liverpool fans (proper ones I mean, not far-offs who never go and have no link to them) and they're far and away the most self-important, deluded fans I've ever known. The media doesn't interest me.


petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 18:00
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Boromart, calm down. You mock me for being melodramatic then continually roll out these long-winded, cry-baby replies inanely rattling on when I point out your contradictions.

You complain about picking out individual bits then do exactly the same yourself. You seem be completely unaware of your own behaviour then offer criticism toward me for doing exactly what you are!

I obviously don't have the pessimistic, downbeat view on the game that you exhibit time and time again. You seem to be reluctant to accept that not everyone agrees with you (as much as you arrogantly think they do).

I've answered your question about the state of the game, you clearly don't like people thinking differently to yourself. That's life, you might understand this someday.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 18:03
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Sure, billdoor.

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:04
F@ck Off Gillett & Hicks

Wow, my first ton[^]

I went out this morning to start my window cleaning round and the first track on my walkman was Gerry & The Pacemakers with You'll never walk alone, and i must say it inspired me to work harder today than i did yesterday.
I've just turned on the computer to find a bit of a slagging match going on in my thread...come on lads, were all Boro fans (and liverpool) so lets just get on eh.

If you are feeling a bit wound up after work, or due to Fmttm, have a read of this, it will relax you and make you think of what it would be like for Boro to be in Liverpools place in World Football.


When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark.

At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver
Song of a lark.

Walk on through the wind

Walk on through the rain

Though your dreams
Be tossed and blown.

Walk on
Walk on

With hope in your hearts

I And you'll never walk alone

You'll never walk alone.

Walk on
Walk on


billdoor Posted on 14/10/2010 18:07
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I've worked with loads of Scousers for the past two years, are you trying to suggest that my own experiences and conversations aren't valid?

Just go through and read John_Lydon's posts in this thread and you'll get the gist.


petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 18:11
F@ck Off Gillett & Hicks

[:D]

Yeah, bill. John_Lydon, otherwise known as rick4974 a well known plastic Manc pretending to be a glory-supporting Liverpool fan.

Deary me you fell right into that one.

standards Posted on 14/10/2010 18:12
F@ck Off Gillett & Hicks

Gillett & Hicks

"the best a man can get" Brutolspiceshavetastic

who are they btw

billdoor Posted on 14/10/2010 18:13
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Pete - no idea who he really supports, but the things he's coming out with are sadly pretty true reflections of LFC fans[cr]

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 18:15
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bill, you must think little of Boro fans then if you judge our entire fanbase on the ramblings of some nutters on here. [:P]

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:15
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Bill, Peter often mistakes me for another poster, but hey, if he wants to act like an English Bull Terrier with a bone, let him get on with it.

I know who i am, and a plastic Manc, i am NOT.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 18:19
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So you acting like rick is a coincidence then?

Did you stop calling me petey when you clicked on that you used to call me that all the time as rick? [;)]

billdoor Posted on 14/10/2010 18:21
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"bill, you must think little of Boro fans then if you judge our entire fanbase on the ramblings of some nutters on here. [:P]"

Fair point[:D]

I dread to think of a Liverpool version of fmttm. It'd make this place seem like the sanest site on the internet.

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:22
F@ck Off Gillett & Hicks

How can i stop acting like rick? I thought you said he was a dj?

How can somebody "act" on a messageboard?

Petey, sounds too childish, i prefer Peter...If that's ok with you?

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:23
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So what traits do i and rick have in common?, you never know, we could be related[:I]

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:24
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Or is this me and rick like you and holgate hero that many posters were calling you?....Ghengis

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 18:27
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Why are you pretending to be a Liverpool fan when you were gloating when they were knocked out by Northampton, or hoping they'd crash and burn along with Arsenal? [:D]

Looking forward to the next time when you pick a random game and make a new thread everytime a goal is scored, just like rick did. [^]

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 14/10/2010 18:27
F@ck Off Bindippers and Plastic Mickeys

Go on your own board apart from PeterDN,Bill and Boromart having a discussion no one else is bothered.

Yes i know i've replied.

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:31
F@ck Off Bindippers and Plastic Mickeys

Peter, there is a lot of anti pool fans on here, it's good to get them hooked every now and again.

Mention the word Liverpool and watch them come running.

And yes i was very glad we lost against Northampton, it was the beginning of the end for Hicks and Gillett.

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:32
F@ck Off Bindippers and Plastic Mickeys

Peter, it works with you Everytime[^]

dixieland Posted on 14/10/2010 18:34
F@ck Off Gillett & Hicks

This is a Boro board, but seem this thread has been raised, I'll comment.
These new guys who have bought Liverpool are the real deal. I know what Hicks & Gillett & the Glaziers have done, but these are nothing like them. Will take a year or so, but Martin Broughton & Christian Purslow are not David Moores & Rick Parry and have done all their homework to ensure the Hicks thing is never repeated. When the new European rule comes into play regarding debt in two years time, they will be in prime condition. Not so sure about Man City though.

John -Lydon is Really Tony Devlin who cleans windows around Eston/ Normanby.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 18:35
F@ck Off Bindippers and Plastic Mickeys

So why were gloating about it and why were you hoping Liverpool would crash and burn?

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:38
F@ck Off Bindippers and Plastic Mickeys

because peter it is the only way that these leaches would leave the club.

Look where they are in the league, look where they are in the Champs League, look where they are in the League Cup.

Liverpool crashing and burning would be awful but it would get those 2 yanks out.


John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:41
F@ck Off Bindippers and Plastic Mickeys

Look at Manc U, they have continued to win things and the glaziers have remained, even last year their cup win has still kept some of their fans quiet.

It will take Manc u crashing and burning to release the hold the glaziers have around their throats.

petedreadnought Posted on 14/10/2010 18:41
rickheartsmanutd

[:D]

Sure, rick!

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:42
rickheartsmanutd

Hi Dixie, how are you this cold evening in Eston.

Sorry i can't come to the match with you on saturday but i'm getting paid by MFC to keep you in check[^]

John_Lydon Posted on 14/10/2010 18:45
rickheartsmanutd

Dixie, we should have a game of snooker soon.

Remember the last, it was a classic. You were ahead, going in to Pink and Black, and i'd been very off colour during our game. I couldn't believe you missing the Pink, then me going on to win the frame....I needed that!