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rob_fmttm Posted on 24/09/2010 13:50
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I regret having to do it but one or two people went far and away over the top.

The language used and the level of personal criticism could potentially have put the posters and myself at risk legally.

Surely you can make a poiny without making it personal and abusive. Dave Allan is not hiding behind a username when making his comments. He is also commenting on club policy. He does not make those rules etc.

Personally, I have stayed clear of this flags controversy and hope there can be some agreement reached but I cannot for the life of me see how people being abusive and ranting and raving is going to help do anything more than stoke up the problems and make a meeting with the club and the safety council more difficult.

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 13:52
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It seems tho that the club is hell bent on adhering to a safety council that nobody has a clue exists! Is it a made up committee so they have full control of club issues and total control over fans? You never ever hear of any other club dealing with safety councils

Humpty Posted on 24/09/2010 13:54
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Can we not get the government to get rid of this quango whilst they're dealing with the public sector?

borobadge Posted on 24/09/2010 13:55
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A sensible option you have taken Rob, dave allan isnt to blame (stop shooting the messenger!)..

but if you get yer tuppence in to The Boro...

tell 'em theyve made a 'fan decision' blunder of biblical proportions...

Midosparmo Posted on 24/09/2010 13:55
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When Rob posts about the Boro, I see the painting of the little dog staring into the gramophone in my mind.
His masters voice I believe its called.

billdoor Posted on 24/09/2010 13:55
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To be fair, no-one outside of the area will know about this, either.

If it wasn't posted on this message board, I wouldn't have known anything about it either.

What I'm saying is - unless someone's actually checked all clubs, do we know what their policies are on stuff like this? It's harly going to make the news.


Humpty Posted on 24/09/2010 13:56
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It's not the main reason why the club are losing so many fans, but it's certainly not helping [:(]

shaunb86 Posted on 24/09/2010 13:57
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Why not just delete indiviual posts rather than the full post? Like bandy says we must be only club who deal with safety councils.anything other than the rf lads allowed to put their banners up and I will start to question putting anymore £ into a club that is ran with suh dictatorship

The_263 Posted on 24/09/2010 13:57
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Rob is protecting his future player interview exclsuives!

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/09/2010 13:59
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" Like bandy says we must be only club who deal with safety councils."

I believe all clubs have to do it hence the large amount of clubs reducing tickets for Man Utd for example, but hey carry on.....

Humpty Posted on 24/09/2010 14:01
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dread to think what the Liverpool safery gadge has to put up with [rle]

borobadge Posted on 24/09/2010 14:01
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definitely tonnage on this one !...[:D]

joebonano Posted on 24/09/2010 14:01
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Eventually they, the safety council, will insist that the club provide toilet assistants to wipe your backside properly after a dump for hygeine reasons.
This culture of the nanny state spreading out all over everything is pathetic.

mattyk50 Posted on 24/09/2010 14:02
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how the hell would we know what other clubs do re: safety councils/ committees??

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:04
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"You never ever hear of any other club dealing with safety councils"

You are a fking star sometimes Mr B. Do you reckon that might be because we have not much more than a passing interest in other clubs while we follow every minute detail of what goes on at Boro?

gravyboat Posted on 24/09/2010 14:05
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The RF and the club need an arbitrator to be involved in any talks.

It's going to get nowhere without an independent voice of reason.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 24/09/2010 14:05
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"we must be only club who deal with safety councils"

Getaway. Just about anyone, football clubs included, come under the jurisdiction of bodies such as this. I've just spent a morning completing a form for a small (500 people) event lasting about an hour and it's likely I'll have to fill in a Risk Assessment which will be about a mile long. Bloody infuriating.

And it's NOT anything to do with quangos, it's to do with compklying with insurance and the law. If you took away the quango you'll still have both the law and insurance companies to deal with.

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:05
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it's worrying when posts are even removed from a fans forum that is totally independent from the club. They are using the fire safety stuff as a smokescreen (excuse the pun) to vet any banners which dont display appropriate terminology

fatharrywhite Posted on 24/09/2010 14:06
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"Like bandy says we must be only club who deal with safety councils"

...do you honestly believe that...???


Link: if you're remotely interested

1finny Posted on 24/09/2010 14:06
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Fair enough removing the post if it was potentially litigious (not sure meself like).
But, difficult to defend the lad as an implementer of policy. He should, in his capacity, influence policy.
It just seems daft, to me, that the club have taken this stance.
As dizzee would say - 'bonkers'

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 24/09/2010 14:07
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A post about censored banners gets censored. Whatever happened to free speech?

rob_fmttm Posted on 24/09/2010 14:08
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Bandy every club's health and safety is governed by a safety council - they issue a safety certificate and can revoke it for part or all of any ground. It was part of the legislation brought in after Hillsborough.

They are there to safeguard our safety of course in every ground. For example a couple of years ago the local safety committee had restricted Mansfield Town's capacity when we played them because they were not happy with the turnstile systems.

You only hear about their actions with other clubs when we play them and it has some consequences for us. If they reduce our allocation because of an incident etc.

They are not new and are universal.

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:09
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fatharry: which bit am I meant to be reading. It looks double dutch to me

Powlay Posted on 24/09/2010 14:09
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You are posting on a message board with rules.

There is no such thing as free speech.

Get over it.

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:09
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You could try the source legislation if you're "hard of reading".


Link: SSGA

ccole Posted on 24/09/2010 14:09
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Rob,

There are some disgraceful things wrote about people on this site (i.e. Woodgate and Downing) and you do nothing about it.

Now on the thread in question, I can only recall people questioning Dave Allen’s ability in carrying out his role for the club, which I don’t know whether he is good or bad at, nothing in comparison to the things wrote about the two people I have named

For you to pull it is well out of order and makes you look like some sort of Dave Allen’s puppet, taking into account you pulling the sneak preview of the new shirt link a few months ago at the clubs request.

Perhaps Stewy and Johnny don’t have your e-mail addy or mobile?

Regarding the banners, I know the original people of FMTTM wouldn’t have stood by and calibrated with gagging of the fans freedom to express themselves in a reasonable manor, but then again it was a "fans mag" then.

That’s disappointing.

fatharrywhite Posted on 24/09/2010 14:13
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sarcasm aside, this give a bit of a clue that clubs deal with safety committees...

"The purpose of this Notice is to remind Chief Executives of their powers and responsibilities under section 10 of the Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975"

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:13
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"questioning Dave Allen’s ability in carrying out his role for the club"

Prima facie defamatory statements then.


glover_elbow Posted on 24/09/2010 14:13
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when will you guys relise rob isnt a fans representive but a club puppet.

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:14
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correct ccole - by plugging the club on here they have got us by the short and curlies so any REAL talking point where things can get a little heated and opiniated towards the club will now be pulled. Shame. Nobody has anything against Dave Allan and I heard his interview on tees and I thought it was a bit wooly and grainy and never really touched on the issue. I dont think enough people know enpough about the situation and it hasnt been explained well enough so fans are a bit antagonistic because again it looks like a deliberate attempt by jobsworths to stamp their authority to make the club how they want it when in reality it is the fans club because without the fans we wouldnt have a club.

ccole Posted on 24/09/2010 14:15
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"Prima facie defamatory statements then"

I will take your word for it, but the evidence suggests only when it suits.

gravyboat Posted on 24/09/2010 14:15
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Whilst I understand and accept the club has its hands tied somewhat with regard to safety regulations, I'm still surprised at the amount of posters who think the RF should just shut up and accept every decision the club makes.

Buddy/LJ etc,

Do you not think the club are being heavy handed, at all? As far as I can see, the issue over the RF promoting standing is something the club can't ignore, but other than that, do they really deserve the hassle they seem to be receiving?

borobadge Posted on 24/09/2010 14:16
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with FREE SPEECH comes RESPONSIBILITY.

1finny Posted on 24/09/2010 14:16
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Buddy - i trust you are being sarcstic there?
Prima facie evidence my anus!
it wouldn't have a cat in hells chance

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:16
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Or only when there's a moderator about to read it, or somebody complains, I'd imagine.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 24/09/2010 14:16
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Rob blatantly got a call/text from someone at the club. I dunno why they'd bother about negative PR on here when they constantly embarress themselves in the national media.

The_263 Posted on 24/09/2010 14:17
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"You are posting on a message board with rules"

Fair point, but for admin to hide behind those t and c's when MFC is being criticised by its customers smells of cronyism and sycophancy. There was nothing slanderous on that thread.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/09/2010 14:17
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I've not offered an opinion on whether the club are being heavy handed, just that ,as usual lately, Bandy is speaking rubbish, with regards to safety councils.

ccole Posted on 24/09/2010 14:17
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I heard him the other night and thought it was text book PR. Not what I wanted to hear, but text book PR, which is what is role is.

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:18
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gravyboat - I have absolutely no idea. I'm taking issue with Bandy suggesting that only Middlesbrough Council have a Safety Committee, and pointing out that questioning somebody's capability to do their job is libellous. Although it appears finny is prepared to act "pro bono" in the event of litigation.

mattyk50 Posted on 24/09/2010 14:18
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careful Lizards, you will get accused of cyber stalking him again

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:20
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yes he will be accused and I have about 500 witnesses to back up my argument. Lizards, do you have any real issues with me? You never seem to address these issues when you say orite bandy before or after the match which i find a bit wierd. It's almost like you are 2 people

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/09/2010 14:22
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Get a grip you big girl, it's a message board for crying out loud.

If you'd prefer me not to comment on your factually incorrect posts then just say so.

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:22
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If it helps to spread your paranoia about, there's three of us have pointed out roughly the same thing on this thread with regard to the bollox you spout.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/09/2010 14:23
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I never thought I'd see the day when Bandy was crying about people having a go at him on a message board.

joebonano Posted on 24/09/2010 14:23
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So if you post that Strachan is a crap manager or Agnew a crap coach is defamatory you might as well close this board down.Complete rubbish.Have you ever heard of OPINION.

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:23
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point out what you want, but also point out the rubbish others spout. it's very creepy how you just home in on one individual. Whatever tickles your fancy i suppose. [;)]

susy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:23
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This is getting ridiculous.

This is the problem with the RF, this is politics not support for the players. The RF certainly cannot describe themselves as in support of the club. They are politically motivated away from the club with their attitudes and its about time the bloody well grew the XXXXXX up and stop behaving like spoilt chavs. Go into the ground and sing your hearts out and get behind the team. Fantastic, do that, but stop all this rebelling and pathetic behaviour. Start working with the club and things for you will improve otherwise carry on and ruin what looked at the start to be a really great fun energetic area to sit in or near.

ccole Posted on 24/09/2010 14:25
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Does anyone on this board really think that the safety council raised the issue of fire safety over the likes of the Parky banner and hand held flags directly with the club?


(I am not talking crowd “surfers”)

Midosparmo Posted on 24/09/2010 14:26
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The one who loves you is often your hardest critic.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/09/2010 14:26
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"it's very creepy how you just home in on one individual"

Paranoid?


Link: Example 1

glover_elbow Posted on 24/09/2010 14:26
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whats clear is that the club read this board and have a word with their friend rob when things dont suit them.

Smoggie_in_Brum Posted on 24/09/2010 14:26
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Suzy [^]

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/09/2010 14:26
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All today


Link: Example 2

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 24/09/2010 14:27
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Totally wrong 1finny. Without doubt there were defamatory statements. Why do you think otherwise?

And, of course, the owner of the forum would be equally liable in law if he didn't do something about it.


rob_fmttm Posted on 24/09/2010 14:27
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Look I'll be honest I'm stood totally aside from the issue. I don't know all the facts and figures. I think it was terrible that the Red Faction had to take all their banners away but on the other hand I know for a fact that every banner we helped raise money for had to have a fire certificate before being allowed to be used in the stadium.

I would assume that is the same at most grounds - but I don't know this - so I ma not going to mouth off what I don't know as fact.

Yes there has been some terrible stuff posted about some players. I try to take some of it off and regret that we have people so small minded as to say it in the first place.

That thread was not going to help clearing up this situation one bit. I don't want to put any of us in the frame for possible legal action with the football club. We are all Boro supporters aren't we? Surely this situation can easily be sorted out.

We all want to see a jumping stadium don't we?

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:27
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"crying"

lets be factually correct here. I am sipping a cuppa shaking my head at your pedantic behaviour, whilst smirking. In a minute i shall get on with some work and forget what i have even posted.

glover_elbow Posted on 24/09/2010 14:28
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stick to the ironing suzy

Humpty Posted on 24/09/2010 14:28
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not if health and safety have anything to do with it.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/09/2010 14:28
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And another, have I eased your paranoia or will I be getting a call from the coppers about cyber stalking.

* shakes head and vows to leave precious little Bandito alone *


Link: Example 3

PinkPonce Posted on 24/09/2010 14:29
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To be fair, you have seemed a little wound up lately bandy [^]

PP ... x

joebonano Posted on 24/09/2010 14:29
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By the looks of things a jumping stadium as you put it is the last thing the club want.

Capybara Posted on 24/09/2010 14:33
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Sipping a cuppa whilst shaking one's head is a neat piece of coordination if you can master it.

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:34
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I'd suggest that questioning a football manager's ability to put out a winning team, based on the evidence that shows up on the pitch every few days, is more "fair comment" than calling a PR bloke incompetent purely as a result of the fact that he's the bloke with the microphone.

Thought I'd double check though...

"Expressions of opinion, based upon true facts, made in good faith and without malice on a matter of public interest may be protected. Note the distinction between fact and opinion. "


Link: An expert writes

susy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:34
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A jumping stadium is exactly what I believe the club wants but not ALL the time, rather when the players do something good on the pitch. Or when they need a bit of backing and support rather than booing them off or whenever a certain player the crowd has decided to turn on that day.

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:35
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Lizards you are trying desperatley to justify yourself.

Guilty as charged. It's getting embarassing now. Just relax.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 24/09/2010 14:36
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True, Capy, and even more impressive if you do it whilst smirking.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/09/2010 14:36
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I'd answer you back, but I dont want a phone call from your Mam or your wife complaining that I've upset their little precious soldier.

speckyget Posted on 24/09/2010 14:37
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And not a single mention of Nazi Germany in this. You're all a bloody disgrace.

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:38
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Now you are getting silly. You've been had good n proper

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:41
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Buddy, you dont half talk some garbo you like. Fuk me, I'd rather wait an hour and talk to the cuckoo when it pops out the clock

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/09/2010 14:42
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"You've been had good n proper"

You really believe that dont you?

free_pint Posted on 24/09/2010 14:42
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'A jumping stadium is exactly what I believe the club wants but not ALL the time, rather when the players do something good on the pitch. Or when they need a bit of backing and support rather than booing them off or whenever a certain player the crowd has decided to turn on that day.'

Well I sit the SEC and we get behind the team regardless of if they're playing badly or playing well. I've never heard any boo's or player critism come from this area. So therefore your argument is floored.

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:45
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Err, to be brutally honest, no. You are too smart to fall for any tripe i write on a messageboard and if i may say so, i am too smart to fall for anything you write either. Remember, we have met each other many a time and I'd say we are fairly similar and quite relaxed but you have posted some dog doo lately. You have lost your sense of humour and everything seems to be a smart arsed cockney type remark which is a bit out of character. Not just at me but at others. You never post about dogs playing snooker anymore

susy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:49
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Well I have sat in the South stand, heard players booed (by our fans), sat in the West stand and heard players booed and I have also sat in the SEC too, to be honest I cant remember hearing he players booed there but that isnt really the point to what I was saying. No, I was saying about having the whole ground jumping, not just the SEC, but you are setting yourselves apart, in many ways in a GOOD way but your politics are totally getting in the way as the club will not work with you and in fact have been now seen to work against you. You will not win so STOP, THINK and start to work with the club and continue in your campaine to up lift the support our fans give to the players. If you dont everyone will loose including the club but mostly the fans.

oooooo Posted on 24/09/2010 14:50
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Someone ring rob and complain about *this* thread ffs.

Kevlar Posted on 24/09/2010 14:50
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I haven't had time to read this thread but just on the off chance it's about flags and the RF, I'd like to draw reference to the highly comical Monty Python's Life of Brian. In particular the scetch which revolves around the Judean Peoples Front / Peoples Front of Judea.

If this has already been noted then please accept my apologies.

That is all.

The_same_as_before Posted on 24/09/2010 14:51
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I have contacted 107 FA's including the following: Belurus, New Zealand, Iran, Bolivia, Italy, Sierre Leone, Tashkent, Belgium, North and South Korea.

Each has confirmed never having a fire problem with banners stuck on walls.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/09/2010 14:51
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rob is a genius, he knows how to generate content for google [;)]

fatharrywhite Posted on 24/09/2010 14:53
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"Each has confirmed never having a fire problem with banners stuck on walls."

that's cos they all have fire certificates [:D]

rob_fmttm Posted on 24/09/2010 14:54
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And I happen to think Dave Allan is a good bloke. Lives and works in his home town and for the club he supports. I don't think he deserves to be abused.

Libbins Posted on 24/09/2010 14:54
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Good on Rob, he knows how to hit the tons. As for Bandy and Lizards, as if you two are fully grown men. [:D]
And Bandy, you have been a bit strange lately, it's quite a short fuse you've been carrying.[^]

free_pint Posted on 24/09/2010 14:56
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Susy- The politics you refer to is with RF and I wouldn't claim to be part of RF and so wouldn't say I'm in the position to negoiate with the club so I'll walk away from that point.

My point in the original thread was Dave Allan commenting that they didn't agree with some of the banners or words to that affect rather than fire safety issues.

I did also praise Gibbo in that thread also so I'm not bashing the club.

susy Posted on 24/09/2010 14:58
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Fair doos free pint [^]

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 15:01
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You have a cuckoo clock? Cool! [^]

glover_elbow Posted on 24/09/2010 15:02
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so rob you don't think (dave allen) he deserves to be abused. so you remove a thread, but if its far more libelous thread about an explayer (woodgate) you do nothing.

get your head out of the trough, and stop thinking about your own self interests for once.

Capybara Posted on 24/09/2010 15:02
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No, that's a dove.

oooooo Posted on 24/09/2010 15:04
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"so rob you don't think (dave allen) he deserves to be abused. so you remove a thread, but if its far more libelous thread about an explayer (woodgate) you do nothing."

Those allegations about his knowledge of public transport were outrageous.

ccole Posted on 24/09/2010 15:08
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Does anyone on this board really think that the safety council raised the issue of fire safety over the likes of the Parky banner and hand held flags directly with the club?


(I am not talking crowd “surfers”)



Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 15:09
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Not me

susy Posted on 24/09/2010 15:11
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ccole, when you played hide and seek as a kid did you sit there with your hands over your eyes?

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 15:12
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You missed the final "l", didn't you?

Bandy Posted on 24/09/2010 15:12
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this thread will get more hits than the original and I predict it will be removed on 186

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 15:14
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glovers - like I said, I suspect it depends who's about to read what. I don't imagine that all of the posts get read all of the time. If you're really desperate to libel someone, try and look for patterns as to when no posts at all get deleted - could be that all the admin are asleep!

nor_mate Posted on 24/09/2010 15:18
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Seems I've missed all the drama here today. Making me sick seeing all these doyles like suzy etc sticking up for the nazis that 'regulate' MFC.

MFC do not want the RF in the stadium, and I simply can't understand why. First step was that absolutely disgraceful letter telling people they should only make noise when we get a corner or score. The constant, over zealous stewarding in the SEC. And now the final straw, banners that have been up there for nigh on 2 years suddenly get taken down due to some ridiculous bollox about fire safety.

The club are an absolute disgrace at the minute and are striving to kill any remaining, vocal support we have left at The Riverside.

sitheman Posted on 24/09/2010 15:22
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So basicallu you can post anything you like as long as it is positive.

Rob,
Who contacted you to remove the post?

MarlonD Posted on 24/09/2010 15:29
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Steve Gibson rang him form his helipad in Jersey but had to go as Selina was late for her botox injections.

The_263 Posted on 24/09/2010 15:31
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"And I happen to think Dave Allan is a good bloke. Lives and works in his home town and for the club he supports. I don't think he deserves to be abused."

So if you are a good bloke, work and live in your home town then you are beyond criticism?

So does this mean that name-calling, abuse, anything remotely defamatory is not permitted on this site.? If you see above even in this thread, you will see someone has called a man a big girl. It's still there!

Rob, you're squirming! How's life between that rock and a hardplace?

ccole Posted on 24/09/2010 15:31
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Susy, lost me on that one.

How about my question?

Buddy Posted on 24/09/2010 15:33
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Capy, can you write down "deflammatory" please? I need it for a label for a fire blanket I'm working on.

Capybara Posted on 24/09/2010 15:35
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That's better than I was about to post to be fair, so I'll say no more.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 24/09/2010 15:52
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I'm not at all criticising the removal of a post which makes defamatory comments about Dave Allan, anything with defamatory or libellous remarks deserves to be removed.

All the more wonder then that some of the abuse and libellous statements some people make on here about Keith Lamb are not removed.

If Lamb ever snaps and decides to act someone will really cop it.

Jerry_Brown Posted on 24/09/2010 16:15
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"You have a cuckoo clock?"

But it would appear to be about 20 minutes slow.

borobadge Posted on 24/09/2010 16:45
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it was an absolute cert'...[^]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/09/2010 16:52
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'Whatever happened to free speech?'

Whatever happened to responsible speech?


Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 24/09/2010 17:03
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Like I said in another thread, have all the tartan blankets in the West Stand got fire certs? I'd guess not.

Aslong as you take your flag or banner with you at the end of the game what's the difference between that and a tartan blanket? Will they be banned next?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/09/2010 17:07
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Good point, good point.

susy Posted on 24/09/2010 17:08
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nor mate I certainly am NOT sticking up for the Nazis at all, no, I am sticking up for common sense. I think it is totally out of order for the club to pick on one area of the ground and totally throw the health and safety book at it but you have to ask yourself WHY. I want the RF to stay, I want the RF to go from strength to strength but the way they are doing it is simply NOT going to work. They have to meet the club at least half way or the club is going to do exactly what it has done and it will only get worse. Surely you can see that. The next step will be people being forcibly evicted for persistent standing. The RF needs to deal with this yesterday rather than kicking all their toys out of the pram and sulking and making things worse. TALK to the club and take the rest of the SEC with you in whatever mission comes of the talks.

Please keep singing but work with the club so you can. You will simply not win the war and at the moment the club has the total upper hand so you are not winning any battles either.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 24/09/2010 17:45
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Nor mate [^]

Good point about the club being at war with their fans,

(not the bit about Susy [smi])

borobuddah Posted on 24/09/2010 18:06
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Are RF an Anarchist cell or summat?

CornwallBORO Posted on 24/09/2010 18:27
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Yes rob, why do you allow evil things to be said about a lot of people on here? including Mr Lamb? and not pull those threads? Are you a personal fwiend of Dave?

r00fie Posted on 24/09/2010 19:07
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Cutbacks[:O]

redwurzel Posted on 24/09/2010 19:50
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Smoking is banned in the Stadium - so how are the flags going to catch alight?

What needs to be checked next people's clothing because that is a fire risk isn't is if a flag is?

It does smell of a control mechanism.

PaulLeGuen Posted on 24/09/2010 21:23
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susy - good post.

sitheman Posted on 24/09/2010 21:31
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Rob,

Were you contacted by a memeber of the club and asked / told to remove the thread?

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 24/09/2010 21:40
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Basically the club want to see what is written on banners to approve them 1st.No chance getting anything like the trophy virgins banner approved which was done in good humour.All tickets are checked to your seats in sec something i never had sitting in the north stand since riverside opened,took drum away,took cupboard away and took banners away not really anything else left for them to take away.

Oh and rob standing aside from the matter shows your not really a fan no more your more the clubs little lap dog, if you were a fan you could of at least offered to help.

40grand4kinnell Posted on 24/09/2010 21:50
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Can anybody post some examples of where a flag has caused H&S issues at a ground within the UK

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 24/09/2010 21:53
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in the sec of the riverside. (if you believe mfc [|)])

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 25/09/2010 00:01
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I think Susy makes a lot of sense. RF need to try and address these issues with MFC and hopefully common sense will prevail. Personally, I think both sides are making a mountain out of a molehill. Banners are quite literally a sideshow, but they do add a bit of colour to the surroundings so are a good thing.

As for those having a go at Rob, he has to be diplomatic. This board and the fanzine are his livelihood. If he deems something to be unsuitable, then he has every right to remove it if he fears there could be legal consequences. In addition, if FMTTM falls foul of MFC, then I'm sure there would be many people disappointed at the lack of interviews with players and officials from the club on this site and in the fanzine.

Some want to see FMTTM as totally independent of MFC in as much as anything goes when it comes to criticism of the club and individuals. Some want to see a better relationship between the club and its fans, and see Rob/FMTTM as an important part of that. This means Rob having to strike something of a balancing act, remaining autonomous of MFC and critical where necessary, but at the same time, maintaining a good relationship between club and fans. Does anyone really want a "them and us" situation? That is in nobody's interests.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 25/09/2010 02:41
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i think suzy should run for chair of the RF

keep politics out of sport

OPEO Posted on 25/09/2010 08:05
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Build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put the jawdees on the top..............
On 2nd thoughts we better not go there.[smi]

weststandwally Posted on 25/09/2010 09:35
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Must be a record this all these posts on a club policy and nobody blames the chief executive

sasboro1 Posted on 25/09/2010 09:51
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who's bothered about that banners anyway. doesit make the team play better? more important thins in life to worry about and give yourself a heart attack over

wherestheremote Posted on 25/09/2010 10:05
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I had dealings several years ago with Mr Allan which ended up in me taking the club to the small claims court.

It cost the club a damn sight more than me and I haven't been back since.

All he had to do was answer my emails, but the arrogant person he seems to be he caused it to escalate.

He doesn't care about supporters IMHO.

flyermetothemoon Posted on 25/09/2010 10:13
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Gibson, Lamb, Allen are all losing the plot if they are letting Taliban style officials dictate petty rules.The club has finally lost the plot on how to keep its paying loyal customers happy.

Rob should check up his backside to see if one of the taliban officials at the club has his hand up there.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/09/2010 10:32
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Of course Rob won't upset the club

If he did he wouldn't get his mug on any of their kit launch posters or get his exclusive interviews from the club.

This fanzine is there to be independent and there's no doubt he does a good job.

But rightly or wrongly he is too close to the club

sitheman Posted on 25/09/2010 23:26
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what was it over wherestheremote?

juninhosdivingheader Posted on 26/09/2010 00:25
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wherestheremote, tell us more. Can't remember reading anything in the papers. What was this all about?

sitheman Posted on 28/09/2010 12:56
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hoof

sitheman Posted on 28/09/2010 14:03
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wherestheremote,

Are ou able to tell?

TartanSmogmonster Posted on 28/09/2010 14:10
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Whilst we are talking about safety, I'm sure the bloke in front of me was wearing a Boro shirt at the Reading game. This type of cheap and nasty nylon garment normally carries a warning about it's susceptability to ignite when exposed to a naked flame. How long before the wearing of Boro shirts is banned?

ovy1 Posted on 28/09/2010 14:11
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There was no Health and Safety issue when the club pushed for those Official Flag Nights in Europe!!??

MightyDuck Posted on 28/09/2010 16:25
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the irish comedian Dave Allan?

IMUK Posted on 28/09/2010 16:47
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Seem to remember Dave Allan being a fan of fart jokes during his tv shows.

sitheman Posted on 28/09/2010 16:48
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Can we still sign 'build a bonfire'?