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TurnbullsCans Posted on 24/08/2010 22:20
If you could roll the clock back to when we sacked GS....

Would you still want him sacked knowing where we are nearly a year later?

Cooper671 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:21
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No

coluka Posted on 24/08/2010 22:22
If you could roll the clock back to when we sacked GS....

Yes I would, but only cos I am a stubborn b'stard [;)]

smog_mfc Posted on 24/08/2010 22:23
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Not a chance.

We have went backwards. Never been anywhere near the top 6 since he went

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/08/2010 22:23
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Yes, without a doubt.

The worst manager in Boro's history. There's not another comes close.

Gibson's biggest mistake.

smog_mfc Posted on 24/08/2010 22:24
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Strachans not far behind Corcaigh and he hasn't even had a full season yet

Cooper671 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:24
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The worst manager in Boro's history. There's not another comes close.

Shortly to be over taken by Strachan

boromarton Posted on 24/08/2010 22:24
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No, considering the good start he had, however maybe that would be different if asked at the start of Southgates championship season. What annoys me is the main reason Gibbo got rid of Southgate when he did, was because of the recent results we had (barring the west brom 5-0), we were grinding out results on the back of very poor performances e.g derby 2-0. However we beat Sheffield United in arguably a much much worse performance, yet it's hailed as an 'good ugly win', and more of them this season will see us promoted, yet Southgate was sacked for that.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:24
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No. It has brought no tangible improvement at all. We would have been better waiting for the right alternative to come along and then sacking Gate, whoever that might have been.

ThePrisoner Posted on 24/08/2010 22:26
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Southgate was sacked three seasons too late.

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 24/08/2010 22:26
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No in hindsight, if he'd have turned it round there wouldn't be as much bickering as there is now. If he'd of XXXXXXed it up there wouldn't be as much bickering as there is now.

outmac Posted on 24/08/2010 22:28
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Southgate had NO experience , Strachan
has'nt got that excuse !

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/08/2010 22:29
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You don't know who the right alternative is though. The chance had to be taken.

Southgate's destruction of the club has seen no parallels since I started watching in the 60's. Strachan's had to pick up the pieces. Southgate was well backed and he still managed to make a complete and utter balls up of it.

Strachan's not really made inroads yet, but he was dealt a pi$$ poor hand and little funding to put it right.

borolad259 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:29
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It looked a crazy decision then, it looks worse now.

Boro_Brick_Road Posted on 24/08/2010 22:30
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That's a cracking thought - just imagine all the wonderful players Southgate would have brought in with a further 12 months in charge

was Mido/Emnes/Digard/Hoyte/Alves not enough?

give Strachan a full season at least ffs !!

sasboro1 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:30
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strachan has had the worst start as a boro manager since pre 1986

bear66 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:31
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No. After the West Ham game, yes. But, having stuck with him and the start we had . . . I'd swap Premiership football with Ali and Emnes up front for this

DowningAlbion Posted on 24/08/2010 22:33
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It was the timing that was so wrong. After a victory, in 4th place just 1 point off top [rle]

He should have been given to the end of the season. Newcastle and WBA went straight back up, FFS.

The football press & media scratched its head at the sacking and its timing. They were right, Gibson was wrong

outmac Posted on 24/08/2010 22:33
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we might be saying the same about WGS signings at the end of the season or
maybe before .

Cooper671 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:33
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How long before Gibson admits he was wrong?

Last season after strachans disaster start there was a big interview with him in NOTW stating he still believed was correct decision etc. Struck as desperation to me

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:37
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"Southgate's destruction of the club has seen no parallels since I started watching in the 60's. "

That's harsh Corcaigh; it was far worse under Bobby Murdoch, although I appreciate Murdoch was given a bum hand after having the entire midfield ripped out.

And Carter was far worse than Southgate.

Strachan's record at Boro is actually poorer than Southgate's isn't it?

Johnson Posted on 24/08/2010 22:38
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Yes from me. I supported Gareth to start with

I want SMac back [cr][cr]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/08/2010 22:40
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The correct decision. It's time you lads got your tongues out of Southgate's arse.

Boro were like Preston, flattering to deceive. Playing poorly and winning is ok if it happens now and again. When it starts to become the norm the results soon turn.

Strachan may not turn out to be the man, but Southgate most certainly wasn't. He dismantled a mid table Premeiership side and left a dressing room with one decent player in it, he was so pi$$ed off by what had gone on that he wouldn't sign a new contract.

He's the worst judge of a footballer on a regular basis since Lawrie McMenemy ran amok at Roker Park.

smog_mfc Posted on 24/08/2010 22:42
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Strachan's record is a lot worse than Southgate's.

Strachan has had the benefit of playing the likes of plymouth, Scunthorpe, Sheff Wed, Barnsley, Derby, Doncaster etc.

Southgate had to put against the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, Villa, Everton, Man City (Which includes 8-1)

Yet his record is worse than Southgates

THAT IS JUST EMBARRASSING!!!!

TurnbullsCans Posted on 24/08/2010 22:44
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Corcaigh is right in saying at the time we didn't know the alternative but in hindsight, which is of course a wonderful thing, things have gone backwards.

The club was also different then mind, it would have been interesting to see how GS faired without Adam Johnson.

subbuteo_171 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:48
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I'd still want him sacked.....should have gone the season we didn't score more than 2 goals in a game until Man XXXXXXty laid down and died in front of us.

I'd question the appointment of WGS though.....he's failed to impress to date and failed to address the biggest failing - the absolute lack of pace - all of his signings are one-paced plodders.

BoroPhil Posted on 24/08/2010 22:50
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I'd never have sacked him.

but I think we've changed for the better.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 24/08/2010 22:51
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but I think we've changed for the better.


In what sense? Harder players but apart from that?

Johnson Posted on 24/08/2010 22:52
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Last time from me. We need a Merson

WGS has put together a workaday team. A team to finish 8th-ish.

We need a spark, what Cardiff have with Bellamy. I thought we were the team that could afford that.

Kirkylane Posted on 24/08/2010 22:53
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Yes. Corcaigh has said it all.

Remember we'd have been stuck with 3m St Ledger and Jinky was always on his way out.

junouk Posted on 24/08/2010 22:54
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I would have sacked southgate the christams before and that has not changed. he was the worst manager in the clubs history todate. He cost us the premiersip.

Having said that I am not sure about WGS. I like his attitude, I like the fact he was honest in his observations about the squad he inherited.

Southgates side was the worst I have seen in my years following the boro, but this side might be the second worst side [V]

bear66 Posted on 24/08/2010 22:57
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"and Jinky was always on his way out"

not if we'd been in the mix in January rather than 11th . . . . not keeping him was an admission that Strachan had failed

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:01
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Junouk; were you following Boro when Murdoch was in charge? I don't know how anyone who was can say that Southgate was the worst. That team in 1981-83 was thrashed almost every game.

bear66 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:04
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I recall beating Liverpool just over a year a go . . . it's the goldfish in the bowl problem

joebonano Posted on 24/08/2010 23:06
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Southgates last major signings Alves,Emnes,Digard and Hoyte were the biggest waste of resources in the history of the club.
20 million absolutely thrown down a drain.

bear66 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:08
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At least we're the biggest spenders in the League this season . . . guaranteed success

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 24/08/2010 23:12
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Without a shadow of a doubt, he was useless

That doesn't mean to say Strachan was the right appointment

Southgate destroyed this club, the "one point off top" brigade are pathetic, we were 4th and also 2 points from been 8th. It was early in the season we were always going to flat-line.

Anyone who rates Southgate after his disastrous 3 and abit years needs their heads looking at

bobby_pastrami Posted on 24/08/2010 23:14
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For all Southgate's faults and mistakes, I still think we should have given him the entire season. If you get relegated and you don't sack your manager and you have a decent start, you can only assume such a thing wouldn't happen.

I went on the radio and told Southgate what I thought. I don't regret doing that, because I think I was right. I still don't like him as a manager, but I certainly wouldn't have sacked him when he got sacked.

He should have been given the entire season or got sacked when we went down.

joebonano Posted on 24/08/2010 23:14
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Oh and the other thing is he held back Jonno's career for 2 years wwhich resulted in us selling him for half of what we'd have got from ManCity because he was about to be out of contract.
Had he shown some faith in him instead of playing his bum boy Aliadiere on the wing for months on end there is a good chance that Jonno would have signed a long term deal.
A shocking misjudgement .

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/08/2010 23:17
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'were you following Boro when Murdoch was in charge?'

I was. I remember the club selling it's assets just before he took over. He was given next to zero to play with.

That's the difference where Southgate's concerned. He had to make cuts, and we had the squad that was easy to make cuts to, but he was still given a decent backing, he wasted millions, put the club back to 1993.


erimus74 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:18
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foggysfplandiet2 I was a ST at the time, and yes you're right, we were getting beat and abysmal, but when Murdoch took over the entire midfield was sold by Amer, with Hodgson not too far behind, money was sparce with poor signings, apart from Heine Otto, one of the best Boro players I have seen.

Southgate on the other hand was the complete opposite, and yes to date the worst manager we have had, utter, utter tosh.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:18
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my theory is that gibson had strachan in mind when he left celtic. (they are mates apparently) but strachan wanted a few months rest with his his family. then once he was ready to come back gibson sacked southgate and brought in strachan.

joebonano Posted on 24/08/2010 23:19
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On that point bobby pastrami I agree totally

bobby_pastrami Posted on 24/08/2010 23:19
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Gibson is a doyle. I can see why he is adored by most fans - he's put plenty of money into the club. But I can't stand the bloke, personally. I think he's a snake.

subbuteo_171 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:20
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I recall Murdoch even though I was only 9....I also recall us selling Hodgson, Proctor, Johnston and Armstorng and building the Marton Hotel and Country Club with the proceeds.

Murdoch didn't have the tools to work with that GS did - comparing the 2 is like saying Ian Porterfield is a muppet for not winning the league with Chelsea whilst Mourinho somehow managed it.

subbuteo_171 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:30
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Pathetic Bobby....pathetic.

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/08/2010 23:31
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Bear re keeping Johnson:

"not if we'd been in the mix in January rather than 11th . . . . not keeping him was an admission that Strachan had failed"

No chance what so ever he'd have stayed with us over going to City, even if we'd been 20 points clear!

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:31
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Subbuteo; what Amer squandered the cash on was that bloody sports centre at Ayresome Park rather than the Marton Country Club which was built before we sold all our best midfielders.

I would say that Murdoch's teams and the players therein, particularly his signings like Brownlie and Bolton, were the worst I ever saw. But I take everyone's points that Murdoch had no money and about Southgate making some very expensive poor signings when he had some cash.

There again to be fair to Southgate as I remember pretty well everyone was screaming for him to sign the most expensive and the poorest, Alves, asap for fear that another club would sign him.

bobby_pastrami Posted on 24/08/2010 23:32
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Why is it pathetic?

When it comes to our "current state", Gibson is as much to blame as Southgate is. Maybe even more.

LucyFir Posted on 24/08/2010 23:33
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let me think about this - well over 20m wasted on players we can't even give away now - the lowest number of goals scored in a season in our history , not to mention a catalog of other unwanted records broken in a season - oh and didn't we get relagated - seems like a no brainer really?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/08/2010 23:34
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'There again to be fair to Southgate as I remember pretty well everyone was screaming for him to sign the most expensive and the poorest, Alves, asap for fear that another club would sign him.'

It was Southgate's responsibility, not the message board.

Alves wasn't the worst of his signings either, he just cost the most.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/08/2010 23:34
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For all Southgate's errors (numerous) I still think some of the criticism is unjustifed. He had an idealistic vision - one Gibson endorsed and used for publicity - and it was ultimately unrealistic. I respect the concept if not the reality.

Whoever came in after Mac was going to have a tough time because we'd just reached our pinacle and we couldn't afford to bankroll the dream anymore. To put a rookie in a situation like that was a terrible idea.

He should have been sacked in the summer or given the season. And he should have been replaced with someone who wanted to build on the positive start, not tear up the whole script.

subbuteo_171 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:35
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Foggy - I know it was the Sports Centre. [^]

Although Amer Junior's house is another story [;)]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 24/08/2010 23:36
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Doesn't surprise me Turnbull has started a thread like this

As I recall him and The_Dude were two of the people who were adament we wern't going down whilst praying and clinging onto their Southgate memorabilia.

He was a total disaster and should never have been appointed.

subbuteo_171 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:37
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Gibson is a snake?

You clueless, pathetic, ungrateful, fecking moron.



Decent_Left Posted on 24/08/2010 23:38
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The Marton Country Club? It was the sports hall if we didn't have that where would Johnny Repp have trained.

Worst manager Malcolm Allison without a doubt.

bear66 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:40
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Spot on Stabilo!

"I respect the concept if not the reality."

The ultimate problem was that we would never be able to keep any stars that came through the academy. They would want to go rather than be lower to mid table with the Boro and tens of millions would be hard to resist.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:41
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Corcaigh; yeah the point I'm making is that the signing of Alves was very popular at the time, in fact if we hadn't signed him people would have been slaughtering Southgate for failing to do so.

Alves wasn't the worst player we've had but he was the worst value signing by some distance.

bobby_pastrami Posted on 24/08/2010 23:41
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So, Gibson isn't a snake then?

Giving Southgate the impression he had a full season to fix his mistakes, letting him go on TV and radio to do interviews after a game and sacking him the next day is really un-snake like, isn't it?

As I said, I can't stand the bloke.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/08/2010 23:41
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'Whoever came in after Mac was going to have a tough time'

We had a couple of good cup runs but we'd actually reached our peak a year before Mac left. We still had some quality players, though ageing, who needed to be replaced.

It was this that Southgate couldn't handle, yet Roy Hodgson managed well at Fulham with less funding. Alladyce has done it regularly over the years.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 24/08/2010 23:42
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Doesn't surprise me Turnbull has started a thread like this

As I recall him and The_Dude were two of the people who were adament we wern't going down whilst praying and clinging onto their Southgate memorabilia.





WTF?? Well you remember incorrectly then. If you must know, I wanted Curbishley in. I certainly never argued in that we were staying up, or indeed that we should keep Southgate.

There was only ever one poster who was stupid enough to say what we were and weren't doing as if some sort of crystal ball was available, and that was onthemap.

The thread was intended as a talking point Poggy, that is all.




Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/08/2010 23:44
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I don't disagree Corcaigh, but why appoint a rookie? It always felt like Southgate was working to Gibson's vision.

Sitrep Posted on 24/08/2010 23:44
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Gareth Southgate put this club back 10 years, a total disaster

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 24/08/2010 23:44
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"There again to be fair to Southgate as I remember pretty well everyone was screaming for him to sign the most expensive and the poorest, Alves, asap for fear that another club would sign him."

Utter Tosh

I don't recall anybody screaming for his signature as nobody knew who he was and nobody rated the Dutch league!

If anything I heard more people asking for James Beattie!

bear66 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:45
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"Roy Hodgson managed well at Fulham with less funding."

He had enough funding to give Schwarzer a two year contract.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:45
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"Worst manager Malcolm Allison without a doubt."

Past his best when he joined us, for sure.

Bet our account at the local Licensed Victuallers rose sharply as well [:D]

BoroPhil Posted on 24/08/2010 23:46
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I just can't see how any other manager under the same conditions would have done any better than Southgate

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/08/2010 23:46
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Yeah, we went backwards. No one would dispute that but we were always going to go backwards. With the new money in the game we couldn't sustain the challenger approach we'd been taking - star names, huge wages. SOuthgate was given a bloody hard job, one he wasn't ready for but to blame him entirely is very unfair

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 24/08/2010 23:48
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"I just can't see how any other manager under the same conditions would have done any better than Southgate"

Rubbish he had plenty of money he squandered it on mediocre such as Hoyte and Emnes

BoroPhil Posted on 24/08/2010 23:50
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maybe that was the best he could get?

bobby_pastrami Posted on 24/08/2010 23:50
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Southgate spends loads of money. Alves and Mido cost nearly 20,000,000 between them. Added to that is Hoyte, Digard, Emnes and a few others.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 24/08/2010 23:52
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It's late and I'm too tired to search threads but especially after the WBA game you were adamant that we were staying up and Southgate was the man.

Not saying that you wanted him appointing as manager initially

sasboro1 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:52
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maybe we should have gone for a manager who has experienced the championship and has a track record of turning teams around and going up

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 24/08/2010 23:54
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Steve coppell? [:D]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 24/08/2010 23:54
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Yeah with a scouting network across the world and years of 'knowledge' from been in the game the best he could get for 6m was Hoyte and Emnes [rle]

sasboro1 Posted on 24/08/2010 23:56
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problem for southgate was that goign into amangement was a surprise to him and he had zero preparation. so he had very few contracts to work on. now we have strachan who all his contacts are up in scotland.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 24/08/2010 23:59
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Errr, no Poggy.

What you might well be confused with was me arguing that while he was in a job and we were entering the push to stay up, everyone get behind him and try and edge the team to safety. I also said that he wouldn't be sacked at that juncture so there was nothing to be gained by not getting behind him while we were in the position we were.

I didn't say anything along the lines of him 'being the man' or that we would stay up. I am not that much of an idiot to say what we would and would not have been doing and nor did I endorse Southgate as manager. Truth is, I wasn't sure about whether he should stay or not early last season.

I certainly did say that it was pointless booing him entering the final phases of the Prem and we may as well get behind him as Gibbo clearly wasn't going to sack him.

2 totally different things.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/08/2010 00:00
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"Roy Hodgson managed well at Fulham with less funding."

He had enough funding to give Schwarzer a two year contract.

Schwarzer, like others before him, saw the writing on the wall at the Boro under Southgate and he wanted away. He wouldn't have been an expensive player to have on your books. Southgate chose to squander the money on poor outfield players and let two kids look after the goalkeeping spot. Two kids who will barely feature in first team football again over the next five years

He was useless. Absolutely useless.


Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 00:00
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You don't need contacts to judge whether a player is or not

Anyone with half a brain could see Emnes was s**t and ask any Arsenal fan and they were over the moon to get 3m for Hoyte as he's rubbish. Sunderland didn't rate him either.

It's a poor excuse

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 00:02
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Yep Cat same as Boateng and JFH saw he was useless

Don't think any experienced pros who left us had good words to say about his management

bear66 Posted on 25/08/2010 00:05
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Strange we used to win matches in the Championship with Emnes playing . . . must be rubbish manager + rubbish player = easy wins

Johnson Posted on 25/08/2010 00:06
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On level up


Link: Strength vs Gay Scots

plazmuh Posted on 25/08/2010 00:33
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LUCY if all that is true and we know this to be the case wtf didn,t gibson sack him mid season and give the incoming new bloke a chance to keep us up.
Its all gibson,s fault and the backhand way in which he eventually sacked southgate was a right old backstabbing.
And at the time most posters were wwwaanking over Alves and co

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 25/08/2010 02:54
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"Strachan has had the benefit of playing the likes of plymouth, Scunthorpe, Sheff Wed, Barnsley, Derby, Doncaster etc.

Southgate had to put against the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, Villa, Everton, Man City (Which includes 8-1)"

I've heard it all now, I really have.

br14 Posted on 25/08/2010 03:31
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"Southgate chose to squander the money on poor outfield players and let two kids look after the goalkeeping spot."

Don't talk shyte.

Do you really think that Southgate would have let Schwarzer go if he'd had any choice whatsoever?

Instead of talking rubbish about Southgate not liking older players and other tripe, have you ever stopped to think that older, more experienced players tend to be rather more expensive than young Dutch lads, or French midfielders with a history of injury, or second string goalies?

Contrary to what one or two die hard supporters of Keith Lamb think, the club has been in financial melt down over the past few years, and only survived this year because Gibson absorbed a huge amount of debt into his company.

Quite why we ended up with massive debt repayments in the relegation year has never been answered by the club. Almost all the Premier League funding was squandered on debt of 27 million coming due in that year.

There's a massive mortgage on the club and ground and the evidence is available for all at the Companies House site if you wish to view online.

Clubs get relegated because of money and thats about it. Newcastle, Hull, Pompey, Boro, WBA, Burnley - all relegated because they either didn't have the cash to survive or had the cash but were badly run financially.

Don't get me wrong, I was quite happy to see Southgate go. But only because he didn't have the experience or connections to buy wisely, and as a young manager without a track record he wasn't in any position to argue with Lamb and Gibson who clearly ruled the roost.

We needed a new manager. Someone with a record of success in the game that knew how to put a team together on a limited budget. Someone with intelligence to take what we had and make the best of it. Someone to stand up to the board.

Unfortunately that wasn't Strachan. He has the budget and experience, but not the wit to manage the hand he's dealt. It's his way or the highway.

Curbishley perhaps, or Holliway for sure would have done a better job than Strachan.

Having said that, Strachan has restructured the team, seems to have the money under control, won't take any bullXXXXXX from Lamb and Gibson, and therefore is a reasonable bet for success.

So far as spending goes, loads of managers are useless. Benitez spent loads on misfits (last one Aquilani); Redknapp is moderately successful but leaves a trail of disaster behind him (West Ham/Pompey/Spurs?); O'Leary was useless; Bruce/Keane spent big at the Mackems for little reward. The game is littered with managers who made poor buys (I reckon some just look after their friends).

So Southgate certainly isn't alone when it comes to wasted cash. In fact he's marginally better than some.

If he'd had the cash in the relegation year to strengthen, we'd have stayed up. He didn't have the cash. We were relegated.

"Schwarzer, like others before him, saw the writing on the wall at the Boro under Southgate and he wanted away"

He wanted a decent contract to finish his career and wasn't offered it at Boro. I suppose you could call it seeing the writing on the wall. If the writing was the limited amount we were willing to pay that is. (And therefore a dodgy fiscal status).

Gene_Vincent Posted on 25/08/2010 06:06
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No, but then at the time i expected there to be a proper recruitment process for our new management team. I didn't expect it to be someone Lamb has happened to share a prawn sandwich with at an away game.

Second ill judged managerial appointment in a row.

Decent_Left Posted on 25/08/2010 06:29
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There were 2 proper considered opportunities to get rid of Southgate. December of the relegation season which only the hierarchy of the business were suprised to find themselves in, and the summer after relegation.

Gibson & Lamb are as much to blame for where we are now as Southgate. Southgate was a XXXXXX manager but I've seen nowt from the current regime to say it's going to get any better.

ray192 Posted on 25/08/2010 06:35
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YES i would [^]

zzzzz Posted on 25/08/2010 06:51
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Spot on br14

and

"Would you still want him sacked knowing where we are nearly a year later?" 100% yes.

It's a real shame he didn't go a long time before.

bear66 Posted on 25/08/2010 07:20
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Spot on br14

and

"Would you still want him sacked knowing where we are nearly a year later?" 100% no.

It's a real shame he didn't go a long time before, but I'd rather be watching Premiership football this season rather than the dross we're having to put up with. Anyway, got the Barnsley tickets . . . . we live in hope not expectation

onthemap Posted on 25/08/2010 07:53
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"There was only ever one poster who was stupid enough to say what we were and weren't doing as if some sort of crystal ball was available, and that was onthemap."

And just look at how it all panned out, you utterly clueless attention seeking buffoon, you told me Southagate was working wonders, how he was building an exciting fast young side.

I told you every week, EVERY WEEK, that he was demolishing a good squad and now you queue up to say you agreed all along.

You have no idea, not the foggiest about the game you follow.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 25/08/2010 08:53
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br14 - "He has the budget and experience, but not the wit to manage the hand he's dealt"

I think Strachan is extremely witty, but I didn't know that was key to being a good manager...

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 10:10
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"Strange we used to win matches in the Championship with Emnes playing . . . must be rubbish manager + rubbish player = easy wins"

What we won afew games at the start of the season therefore he should be in. If that's the case you might aswell say we should have kept Emnes and Ali upfront[rle]


I don't often agree with onthemap but I do on this one. Where as mappy did say we would survive (just) he was damning of Southgate's regime where as Turnbull constantly pained a rosy picture of a young manager and young players on the verge of great things.

sitheman Posted on 25/08/2010 10:12
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Yes without doubt.

Why can people not see that Southgate was a terrible terrible manager. The ship was still sinking when he left and we would be in a terrible state now.

Under Strachan we have stopped the sinking and are turning ourselfs around.

atomicloonybin Posted on 25/08/2010 10:17
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He should have gone in the summer when we were relegated. There's not exactly a big queue of clubs desperate to appoint him is there? His name gets briefly mentioned when a job - especially one of his old clubs - comes up, but he never seems to get anywhere near the job. I'm sure he's very happy being a pundit. He probably has a reputation in the game as being unreliable with money, and unable to manage on a budget, so who's going to take him on?

Having said that, I'm not sure Strachan is the answer to whatever the question is.

bear66 Posted on 25/08/2010 10:21
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"What we won afew games at the start of the season therefore he should be in."

Err yes . . . . he was good in away games making room for midfielders like Johnson to come through and score. He didn't play well at home and not worth his place against a packed defence. Johnson's goals dried up when Emnes was dropped and Strachan hasn't played Emnes once away from home.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 25/08/2010 10:46
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Excellent post Br14.

I think for a lot on here it's easier to make Southgate a catchall scapegoat than to think about the deeper issues involved in the club's slump.

Libbins Posted on 25/08/2010 10:58
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We threw away our hopes of promotion when we sold Huth and Tuncay and replaced them with St Ledger and Folan.

Strachan will get it right. We're only 1 creative player short.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 11:05
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"I think for a lot on here it's easier to make Southgate a catchall scapegoat than to think about the deeper issues involved in the club's slump."

What deeper issues made Southgate play a defence containing 4 centre-backs in one game and a centre-back in midfield when he had the players who could play in those roles who mostly he signed sat on the bench? It's just looking for excuses.

He lost every ounce of respect I ever had for him when he didn't resign after 3 seasons of decline and relegation. He clinged onto his job as he knew he wouldn't get another and he'd be entitled to a big pay-off.

Then he spent the summer on a tv panel telling managers like Fabio Capello and Del Bosque how they should be managing their teams and playing players in the right posistion! The man has a nerve

zzzzz Posted on 25/08/2010 11:26
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PAMH nail on head.

16 million out of the club and threatened to sue coz he had to wait to be paid across a year for the last 1.2million.

Disgusting.

redwurzel Posted on 25/08/2010 11:31
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Southgate's games without Huth

lost 1-2 at Bristol C
won 3-1 Ipswich
lost 0-1 Lecester
lost 0-1 Watford
drew 2-2 Coventry
lost 0-5 WBA
won 2-0 Derby

4 at home and 3 away - 4 bottom half teams

7 Points from 7 games - goals for 7 against 12. minus 5

Poor in anyone eyes. I will say the same if we have only 7 points after 7 league games this season.

Was Strachan the right man - jury is out for me, but I thought he was a better choice than Southgate. I do think your chances of success are greater if you get a manager in their mid career.

Gareth should have learnt the job as an assistant to someone than a lower league club of his own. I was surprised how niave he was at times - he later said he blagged it for the first season.

Good teams don't make young lads captain (unless they are very exceptional), no matter how local they are. Having said that I think the way the club cut his budget (well before relegation) made his job much harder.

bear66 Posted on 25/08/2010 11:31
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"What deeper issues made Southgate play a defence containing 4 centre-backs in one game"

Like Strachan did on Sunday?

TurnbullsCans Posted on 25/08/2010 11:31
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Sorry Poggy but you are completely incorrect about me painting any sort of picture about Southgate. The only thing I argued about him was that he wasn't going to be sacked so might as well get behind him for the Prem relegation run in.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are mistaken if you think anything else.

Mappy just lies so his posts aren't really worth comment.

Old_Gregg Posted on 25/08/2010 11:33
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"What deeper issues made Southgate play a defence containing 4 centre-backs in one game"

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Strachan do that? Last weekend in fact, against Sheffield United.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 12:57
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So because Strachan did that makes it right? He's tried to bring in full-backs we had two on trial and they wern't good enough. He has no money to buy any, Southgate spent well over 20m and the only width we had was through our academy.

bear66 Posted on 25/08/2010 12:59
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No, Strachan is as bad, probably much worse, a tactician as Southgate.

We're the top spenders in the league so none of this 'no money' lark

The_same_as_before Posted on 25/08/2010 13:16
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100% behind C_t_C, I also have been watching since the Anderson era. Southgate was the most clueless inept manager in that time. We had just come from a major European trophy final, finished in the top half of the Premiership and knew how to defend, and even ocassionally score, he stopped both of those benefits.
5 centre halfs against the worst lowest scoring away team in the premiership and proud of a 0-0 result, the ineptness of cardiff, his buys, his inability to motivate. Lost over 34% of supporter base, I cannot think of one redeeming attribute apart from being a nice bloke.

Strachan is a million times better, but so would Authur Scargill.

bear66 Posted on 25/08/2010 13:20
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As Martin O'Neil said . . . to progress in the Premiership takes 30m/season . . . . . Southgate should have spent a lot more

sasboro1 Posted on 25/08/2010 13:21
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i remember the day before southgate got sacked most on here were behind him 100% and felt he would come good and pointed at our position in the league. then the day after he got sacked everyone said it was the right thing to do.

you know what, i have a feeling its going to be the same with strachan. if things dont improve soon i hope gibson acts fast this time and doesnt wait for the crowds to drop further before doing something. not sure if he gets to watch boro much if he is living in the channel islands

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 13:23
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He's sold roughly 10m and spent roughly 10m. The players he's spent decent money on like McDonald, McManus, Robson have been good buys while it's too early to judge this seasons batch.

Maybe if Southgate's signings had any sell-on value whatsoever he would have enough left on the coffers to buy full-backs

The_same_as_before Posted on 25/08/2010 13:23
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Sas, I was evidently in the minority the. If one of my managers was as inept and I did nothing about it despite knowing for over 2 years i would expect the bullitt.


Sas dind't you once say that Scholes was too old to buy?

smog_mfc Posted on 25/08/2010 13:36
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PAMH

Robson and McManus havent proved to be good buys....yet

I agree with McDonald, last season he wasn't match fit but this season his touch and passing is improved vastly and he has started putting the ball in the net.

Whereas Robson has got zero pace, fair enough he is playing out wide which isn't his preferred position, but he hasn't got any pace whatsoever!!

And McManus hasn't done enough for me to class him as a 'good buy'

He shows some leadership qualities but thats what the only positive thing i have seen of him. The jury is out on him and i hope he proves me wrong.

I also hope Strachan proves me wrong too.

boksic Posted on 25/08/2010 13:38
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I posted something along the following lines at the time, I stick by it:

If you sack a manager but change nothing else (ie key resource the size of your wage budget) there will be no apprecaible difference in performance (points accrued over teh course of a season).


Fact is that the relative success under Steve Mclaren's reign was brought with very high wage spending that the powers that be at MFC deemed was unsustainable (have a look at Portsmouth if you want to see what I mean) and we have been cutting our wage bill since Eindhoven.

I have explained why points accrued correlates to relative wage spend and a large number on here dipsute the theory while seeing the evidence of it week in week out in front of us.

Another poster a while back did some analysis of the points accrued when Gareth Southgate was in charge last season versus the points accrued with Gordon Strachan in charge and although we accrued slightly more points per game with Gareth Southgate in charge the difference was not statistically significant and the conclusion was that whoever was in charge we were more likely to end up where we did last season than in the top 2.

If you still think that the answer to all our prayers is a different bloke sat in the dugout (but with the same wage budget constraints) then I fear you are mistaken.

No amount of boot camps in La Manga or this much touted mental toughness will change the fundamentals either.

Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 25/08/2010 13:38
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Some wouldn't have sacked him.

Those are proven right on their opinion of Strachan as well.

gravyboat Posted on 25/08/2010 13:41
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No, because he'd have wasted millions more, especially if we'd been promoted (which I don't believe we would have).

Strachans poor tenure so far makes it easy for people to yearn for the previous regime, when in reality we were going backwards under it anyway.
I
I desperately wanted Southgate to do well, and supported him for as long as possible, but when we went down with a whimper it was clear he wouldn't cut it. His inexperience in the transfer market and his eye for a player (or lack thereof), are plain to see.

The jury is most certainly out on Strachan, but southgate deserved to sacked.



sasboro1 Posted on 25/08/2010 13:44
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thing is when it comes to judging strachan we are only allowed to use this season so why wasnt southgate judged on the season he was sacked in. surely once you get into the new season and he seems to be doing ok then you dont sack him and let someone come in and upset the apple cart and send us on a run of 9 games which virtually ended our chances of automatic promotion and dented our chances of a play off spot. it was poor man-managment from strachan when he arrived

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 13:48
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"As Martin O'Neil said . . . to progress in the Premiership takes 30m/season . . . . . Southgate should have spent a lot more"

Garbage. Very few teams actually spend that these days. Southgate wasn't like O'Neil he wasn't competing with Everton, Tottenham, Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal he was competing with Wigan, Hull, Stoke, West Brom and Bolton who'd be extremely flush to spend 10m in a season.

Just face it bear he failed.

boksic Posted on 25/08/2010 13:51
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Spending on transfer fees does not correlate strongly to points accrued over the course of a season.

Spending on players wages does correlate strongly to points accrued over the course of a season.

gravyboat Posted on 25/08/2010 13:53
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You might be right Sas, but even if we had been promoted, which I don't believe we would, I wouldn't have trusted him to lead us into another PL campaign.

You can argue about the timing and his replacement, but I wouldn't have kept him.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/08/2010 13:59
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gravyboat, who knows if we would have gone up.btu we were in a good position to achieve it. but if we go up this season the current squad strachan has assembled wouldnt stay up. he would have to buy all over again.

back to southgate, should have gone after the WBA game when we had a chance to change it. but gibson said why change a manager in the season? then end of the season he should have gone. but not when you are doing well in a new season.

maybe he didnt want a new manager in until the big earners were sold off ready for a new manager to come in.


Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/08/2010 14:10
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'If you sack a manager but change nothing else (ie key resource the size of your wage budget) there will be no apprecaible difference in performance (points accrued over teh course of a season).'

Explain Rioch's success. Or is his performance one of the 8%?

sasboro1 Posted on 25/08/2010 14:14
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rioch got lucky, he was there at the time when a glut of highly talents players were there. once we got relegated from div 1 we struggled

The_same_as_before Posted on 25/08/2010 14:19
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Sas that is p poor. If you are success you are lucky, if you are failure it is because your hopeless?


Back to saying Scholes was too old 2 years ago.

onthemap Posted on 25/08/2010 15:27
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"Mappy just lies so his posts aren't really worth comment."

Three years of posts would indicate otherwise though boy, but you just keep on with telling the board you agreed with me all along.

Maybe Rob fabricated all the posts?

Stick to "Guess where I am?" posts every time you venture over Ormesby Bank, that's your level.

redwurzel Posted on 25/08/2010 15:48
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In season 2008/9 our wage bill was one of the lowest in the EPL, lower than Boltons.

We lost Boateng, Rocky, Skippy and Young and replaced them with Digard, Emnes, Turnbull and Hoyte at 40% of the cost - I don't think this has registered with some fans yet by the comments above.

There were games where we were playing 6 kids, because we lacked senior pros.

My gut feeling was that this was not Southgate's doing, but we may never know. I do think we had enough the stay up, but even a very good manager would have struggled.

boksic Posted on 25/08/2010 15:56
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*** round of applause for redwurzel ***

Space_Face Posted on 25/08/2010 16:01
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But if Gareth had spent the 20m+ properly in 2008, and not (knowingly) gone into 08/09 with virtually no central midfield (barring a young French bloke who had averaged 15 games in the last 2 seasons) we would have stayed up.

Finances played a big part, but so did Southgate's player judgement.

borolad259 Posted on 25/08/2010 16:07
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I feel like Boksic repeating myself but it was one key decision that cost us everything...Alves. That 12 million ought to have got us the goals to keep us up, and most of us thought it would when he came, but it didn't. Everything else is a sideshow. If we'd had a decent return in League goals from Alves, we'd have stayed up easily.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 25/08/2010 16:13
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FFS.....I`ve supported the Boro since 1965.
Southgate was the worst manager ever.
Also the worst decision made by a Chairman in the appointment of a manager.

It seems the younger element of our support wants instant success. The dead wood (Plenty of that, thanks Gareth) needed clearing. That process has began. God only knows what wages some of those players we can`t get rid of are on.
Patience is needed but that is a word some do not understand.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/08/2010 16:17
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"Southgate was the worst manager ever."

southgate seemed to do ok in his first 2 seasons. we got relegated from the top flight which we also did with rioch,lawrence and robson. then when it looked like we were in with a shout of going straight back up he was sacked.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 16:20
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"In season 2008/9 our wage bill was one of the lowest in the EPL, lower than Boltons.

We lost Boateng, Rocky, Skippy and Young and replaced them with Digard, Emnes, Turnbull and Hoyte at 40% of the cost - I don't think this has registered with some fans yet by the comments above."

I find it hard to belive our wage bill was less than Stoke and Hull can you prove any of that?

LeitrimBoro Posted on 25/08/2010 16:21
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I stand by my judgement of 45 years supporting the Boro.
You may disagree but he was awful.

erimus74 Posted on 25/08/2010 16:30
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Sas southgate done ok as he had the nucleus of mclarens team, once he rid out those players, including an entire midfield, and replaced them with the heartless players he bought there was only one direction we were heading.

The Cardiff cup game summed him up as a manager, and when that whistle went he should of been sacked.

Yes the worst manager ever.

And how the hell can you say Rioch was lucky FHS.

Space_Face Posted on 25/08/2010 16:35
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Quite funny that people still bang on about a cup quarter final game we lost. We've lost in earlier rounds to worse teams, and will again. It meant nothing (may not have felt like that at the time!)

Gareth had a decent record in the cups actually.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/08/2010 16:37
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its not the first time we lost to a team in a league below us.

i remember us getting beat by grimsby(4th division) 2-1 when we were in div 1 with rioch. i also remember swansea knocking us out once under another manager

atomicloonybin Posted on 25/08/2010 16:42
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Don't agree. That was a once in a generation chance of winning the cup because all the big four (and the rest) had been turfed out by the time we played. We'd have played Barnsley in the semi, Portsmouth in the final. And we'd have won the cup, I really believe that.

It's not so much the defeat, it's the manner of it. Bunch of rich blokes thinking all they needed to do was turn up, and completely unprepared. Not just gareth's fault, but we were woeful that day given what was at stake.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/08/2010 16:44
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sometimes you get cup upsets didnt barnsley beat liverpool/chelsea? did they call for their managers head over that result?

Space_Face Posted on 25/08/2010 16:47
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Nah, we had a better chance of winning when we reached the final I think.

We merely got knocked out of the cup for the 100th time.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 16:47
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That was the best chance we will ever have of winning the FA Cup

Beat Cardiff and we'd of played Barnsley in the semi, Pompey in the final.

The year before he also masterminded us going out in the 2nd round of the Carling Cup at home to the mighty Notts County, great in the cups wasn't he

LeitrimBoro Posted on 25/08/2010 16:47
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I've seen us beat by teams in lower divisions before but the manner of that defeat was disgraceful and an all time low.
BTW That cardiff game sums up his tenure IMHO.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/08/2010 16:48
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"That was the best chance we will ever have of winning the FA Cup

Beat Cardiff and we'd of played Barnsley in the semi, Pompey in the final."

apart from in the final against chelsea.

redwurzel Posted on 25/08/2010 16:49
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Poggy [:P] my Hamster

Our Wage Bill was around 31m according to Lamb quoted in Aug 09 on a phone in.

Bolton's was 37m according to Money Week magazine representing over 90% of their turnover btw

Stoke's would have been less than ours agreed and WBA too.

Newcastle was 73m [:O]

Hull bought Bullard on 2m a year wages and 4m transfer fee out of our league that season. We couldn't afford 1m a season to Ben Watson after agreeing a fee and medical.



boksic Posted on 25/08/2010 16:49
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"Sas southgate done ok as he had the nucleus of mclarens team, once he rid out those players, including an entire midfield, and replaced them with the heartless players he bought there was only one direction we were heading."

You say this as if Gareth Southgate made a conscious decision to take the team apart whereas the reality is those changes will have been made because those holding the purse strings decided that the wage bill had to be cut.

UAUA Posted on 25/08/2010 16:51
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It was more like 14.5m thanks to the exchange rate. What about the other "key" decisions to buy Mido, Digard and Emnes for almost the same amount again? All of which were utter rubbish signings.

And we wouldnt have stayed up "easily" with a decent return in League goals from Alves anyway. Unless you mean about 20 league goals.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 25/08/2010 16:54
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Mappy, without wanting to sustain your involvement in the thread any longer than necessary, what I am supposed to 'telling the board' I agree with you about?

I have no opinion on what you post on this board, let alone have the time or inclination to be 'updating' the board as to whether I agree with you on any of it or not. You are flattering yourself if you think otherwise.

The fact a fair proportion of your posts are bullshyt is hardly 'news' so I don't know why your cage is so rattled over that claim either.

As for the 'where I am posts', again, struggling with this reference I'm afraid. Have you been playing Where's Wally? I don't live on Teesside so also stuck with the Ormesby Bank reference.

Relax pal. Go for a walk or something. Or is that not an option now you live in Colombia, sorry, ahem, Columbia?




erimus74 Posted on 25/08/2010 17:03
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Boksic what a load of crap, you can't prove the players were removed for finance reasons, so we binned Cattermole & Boateng to save money then bust the bank to buy 2 spud forwards, doesn't add up I'm afraid.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 17:06
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So we finished below Stoke despite having better players, more money to spend and spending more in wages.

Difference?

We had a clown they had Tony Pulis

gravyboat Posted on 25/08/2010 17:09
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Only daft boro fans would be oblivious to the financial restraints southgate had to work under. That's the reason he was cut so much slack, or certainly should have been.
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However, I don't see anyone on this thread who is suggesting his failure was solely down to the clubs cost cutting measures coming up with a decent response to the questions regarding who he signed.

25m on Alves, Mido, Digard and Emnes.

How are those abject failures anything other than Southgates failure to spend what little money we had, wisely.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/08/2010 17:11
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'southgate seemed to do ok in his first 2 seasons'

No he didn't.

boksic Posted on 25/08/2010 17:17
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"doesn't add up" - it does when you know that the way player transfer fees are financed is different to the way wages are financed.

onthemap Posted on 25/08/2010 17:19
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"Mappy, without wanting to sustain your involvement in the thread any longer than necessary"

If you don't want my contribution then don't bring me into your nonsense with your cocksure snidey remarks son.

It's the same old bs from you, you and the Dude tried to impart your 'Southgate and his new revolution' wisdom and now it just never happened.

Read what Corcaigh has posted if it pains you to recall what I first told you when you originally posted your Southgate garbage.

Some on here are at least honest.


Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 25/08/2010 17:22
If you could roll the clock back to when we sacked GS....

"That was the best chance we will ever have of winning the FA Cup

Beat Cardiff and we'd of played Barnsley in the semi, Pompey in the final."

apart from in the final against chelsea."

Comeback when you've woken up and got your seasons right sas


TurnbullsCans Posted on 25/08/2010 17:23
If you could roll the clock back to when we sacked GS....

cocksure snidey remarks son

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The rest of your claims never happened pal, I'm afraid. I've only been posting on the board a couple of years if that so whoever you are thinking claimed Southgate was starting a revolution (if indeed anyone ever actually claimed that), it wasn't me I'm afraid.

Never been one to let facts get in the way of a point though Mappy eh? [:D]



redwurzel Posted on 25/08/2010 17:31
If you could roll the clock back to when we sacked GS....

Poggy

I agree Pulis did an excellent job in 2008/9-terrible football to watch but he got results like us on Sunday. He has also learnt how to upgrade a team at the right time.

I think Pulis last 3 seasons show how experience can help you do the job better - he was never highly rated when he was younger.

He will fail eventually as expectation rise too high there, but he has had 3 good seasons.

CC - Southgate did ok for 2 years I side with Boksic - some might say it was Smac's team though until 2008.

Sitrep Posted on 25/08/2010 17:32
If you could roll the clock back to when we sacked GS....

"it looked like we were in with a shout of going straight back up he was sacked."





There's none so blind as those who will not see







onthemap Posted on 25/08/2010 17:35
If you could roll the clock back to when we sacked GS....

11.42 "There was only ever one poster who was stupid enough to say what we were and weren't doing as if some sort of crystal ball was available, and that was onthemap."

Same old bs, 'didn't happen, wasn't me, you spelt Colombia wrong' and on and on and on......

TurnbullsCans Posted on 25/08/2010 17:37
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Mappy. Go for a walk.

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