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tom_mate Posted on 20/08/2010 13:03
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I am a regular user (not abuser), I generally smoke 2 joints on an evening whilst watching some footy or a film before I go to sleep. I'd be interested to know what others think about this 'drug'?

I am of the opinion that it is not nearly as harmful as it is made out to be, the publics opinion has been shaped by propaganda going as far back as the 1920's. Their is no evidence that it causes schizophrenia or mental health issues, these tests have never been done. It doesn't make you lazy, if you can't motivate yourself whilst on it then don't do it.

I believe that it can effect people negatively and if you have existing mental health problems then it could enhance them but it does not cause the problems in the first place.

The only harmful part of it for me is the fact that I smoke it mixed with tobacco, although once I save some pennies I'll be getting a vapourizer and eliminating the damage to my lungs altogether.

I'd be interested to know what you all think about this.

mr_maz Posted on 20/08/2010 13:04
WHat are your views on cannabis?

pretty much the same as you

oooooo Posted on 20/08/2010 13:06
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"The only harmful part of it for me is the fact that I smoke it mixed with tobacco, although once I save some pennies I'll be getting a vapourizer and eliminating the damage to my lungs altogether"

Altogether? It's carcinogenic.

whale_oil_beef_hooked Posted on 20/08/2010 13:07
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Dont drink and drive..................smoke a spliff and fly.


[:D]

tom_mate Posted on 20/08/2010 13:08
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I gues 'altogether' is an exagerration but it certainly decreases the damage that smoking does, I don't smoke cigarettes, I hate the taste of tobacco so it seems stupid to be smoking it in my joints.

jono_feds Posted on 20/08/2010 13:11
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I think prohibition of drugs is the single greatest waste of time and money in history.

Legalise it, tax it, monitor it, sell it in off-licenss, free up police time, bring crime down, fund the NHS.

deganya Posted on 20/08/2010 13:11
WHat are your views on cannabis?

sounds very sensible to me.

raglasher Posted on 20/08/2010 13:11
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Total and utter idiots [:(!][:(!]

tom_mate Posted on 20/08/2010 13:13
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"Total and utter idiots"

Why? because our opinions are based upon fact and differ to yours?

Muttley Posted on 20/08/2010 13:15
WHat are your views on cannabis?

No drug is entirely safe and without wanting to sound preachy smoking two joints every night is not a good idea in the medium to long term. I would say the same if you were starting the day with several double espressos or a red bull.

I do agree with the stance on legalising drugs, the war on drugs has long ago been lost and we should simply educate, manage and tax the problem.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 13:18
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Perhaps if you found something else to do on an evening instead of sitting on the sofa and watching telly (go to the gym, play some footy, swim, run, learn something, play an instrument, write, create, paint... you know, a bit of imagination and actually live a life instead of wasting it) you may loose the urge to set fire a chunk of mostly rubber and breathe it in.

I smoked hash for a few years in much the same way you did, but eventually I gave my head a shake and realised there were much better things to do.

And don't pretend it's not bad for you. Of course it is ya silly cooont.

tom_mate Posted on 20/08/2010 13:19
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Legalizing it is one of the only ways that I can see that could stop kids from getting hold of it, it's appalling how many youngsters especially in Middlesbrough smoke weed, or what they think is weed, generally it's watered down cannabis resin with whatever junk the dealer can find to bulk it up.

The thing I hate the most about using it is having to deal with these sorts of people when I want to buy some.

tom_mate Posted on 20/08/2010 13:21
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Archie, I go to the gym, I play footy and I play guitar and percussion [^]

I don't miss out on doing anything because of it, it doesn't get in the way of anything and stop me enjoying my normal life, I don't drink, having a smoke on the evening is my way of relaxing, just like many people like a glass of wine or 2.

I'm not pretending it's not bad for me, I have just come to the opinion that the research has not been done to prove that it's bad for you, I admit it has negative effects but I think that depends on the individual.

raglasher Posted on 20/08/2010 13:22
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Who has to put right the damage that drugs do the body not the users, us who pay the taxes to fund the hospitals and the inevitable dole money.

jono_feds Posted on 20/08/2010 13:25
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Because prohibition works? If we are idiots then so must be Professor Sir Ian Gilmour and Professor David Nutt.

I've copied the below from a reply to an article on the BBC site. This isn't an ill thought out concept. Think of all the lives gone in South America because drugs go through Cartels? If drugs were legalised then industries for Cocaine, Heroin etc... could pump money into 3rd world countries that would invigorate their economy. Right now it's making evil people richer and rich people more evil.

Ten years ago, Portugal had @ 100,000 heroin addicts; this was an astounding 1% of the total population. It was felt that this addiction was linked to one of the highest HIV rates in Europe (i.e. through re-used drug paraphenalia).
Portugal became the first European country to decriminalize ALL drugs.
The result: Portugal's addiction rate dropped 50%. HIV infections dropped more than 90%. To say nothing of easing pressures on the legal system, including jail space.
Evidently, the change in policy works.
In Portugal addicts are not turned into criminals; users caught with less than a 10-day supply of any drug are referred to a panel comprised of
- a drug-treatment specialist,
- a lawyer and
- a civil servant.
Together these usually recommend treatment, and guess who pays? The Government!
If the users decline treatment and go back to abusing drugs, thatís their prerogative; however, statistics demonstrate that users are not choosing that. Instead, @ 50% of the 100,000 heroin addicts Portugalís Health Ministry recorded in 2000 had by 2008 decided to to take advantage of Government sponsored rehab.
The number of new HIV cases among users fell from 2,500 in the year 2000 to 200 cases in 2008. Alun Jones, UN Office on Drugs and Crime, stated that these statistics showed major success.
Mexico has taken notice. Last week, former Mexican President Vicente Fox criticized his countryís US-backed war on drugs, which has left @ 30,000 people dead since December 2006. Fox said Mexico should consider legalizing the production, distribution and sale of drugs. He had no doubt that this change in policy would help stiffle the Mexican drug cartels who profit from the American War on Drugs.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 13:33
WHat are your views on cannabis?

My experience of pot heads would best fit your first admission, rather than your defence.

Whats the point? Hash just makes you a bit tired and it wrecks your immune system, ruins your lungs and plays havoc with your short term memnory.

If you want to see the harm it has done you, stop for two months and see how much better you feel.

Go on, try it. I dare you.

It seems today that the only real rebels left are the ones that choose not to do the drugs. And putting the word in inverted commas 'drug' as if it somehow magically isn't a drug becase so many people do it, well that's just illogical.

Look, people who have two glasses of wine every night wont be doing themselves any favours either. Like all things, it it best in moderation.

I still smoke hash very occasionally if some pops up at a party (very rare as you get older and house parties become dinner parties) but to do it rythmically day in day out seven days a week is, well, just plain sad. I know. I've been there, and I am so glad I stopped.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 13:42
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Could you do me a favour and ask yourself why you want to numb yourself every night?

Is there something you want to escape from?

Is daily life too stressful?

Are you so dependant you can't sleep without it?

Are you simply bored and want to switch off?

Is it just a bad habit that you could shrug off if you wanted to?

Does it make you feel part of a group, or cool in some way?

There is obviously a reason for your addiction, and the sooner you pin point it and use that to help you stop, the sooner your life will improve.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 20/08/2010 13:47
WHat are your views on cannabis?

No harm in it whatsoever. Tis ridiculous to make it illegal. Very silly.

Time to lagalise ALL drugs.

Why do people always want to control other people? Live and let live [^]

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 13:53
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Jono...

Seriously mate.. you want to legalise cocaine? Come on. Get a grip.

The only good that would do is kill off a few city boys and a shed load kids, not to mention the number of families destroyed by debt.. like the country needs more of that?

Coke, heroine and smack... lets legalise the lot, and hey.. I guess you will be the first guy in the queue buying a crack pipe for your daughter on her 18th Birthday.

These things are not legal because they are super addictive and kill you very quickly. The recent moves to discourage smoking and tighten up on binge drinking are good and sensible. If you think for one minute that any UK government is going to reverse that trend, then you are living in fantasy land kidda.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 13:55
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Maw the Merrier...

Have you got any children? I'd like to sell them the three grams of charlie I just bought from Tescos.

Nut job.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 20/08/2010 13:59
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Well any C bought from Tescos gets my vote. It will be clean and pure, so no danager to my kids.

Same for Weed. Only good stuff from Tesco.

As for Heroin, Tesco selling it will result in far less deaths, ill health and crime.

Good call Archie [^]

jono_feds Posted on 20/08/2010 14:03
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Of course I don't think they will. I think they should though. It's not just me and a few others think that it's just that people are too scared to change things. Yes, Coke is dangerous. I didn't say drugs were harmless.

There's no proof that everyone will go mad and take it because it's legal! With the right education then at least the government could take some sort of control. People die from taking drugs now and the only people that benefit from it are criminals.

It's a strong argument and one I can't win because I completely understand why people think that legalising drugs would be a bad thing. I just don't see prohibition working at the moment.

Note that I'm not saying this as someone who would regularly take drugs but as someone who sees the fight against crime as a complete waste of time and money. All that is happening is that dealers are making money out of addicts who steal and beg for their addictions.

swindonred Posted on 20/08/2010 14:04
WHat are your views on cannabis?

'Time to legalise ALL drugs'

Dear lord, i hope that was tongue in cheek?


Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:04
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Maw the Merrier,

Resisting a strong urge to ignore that twaddle, and asuming it was tongue in cheek.... may I point out to anyone else reading this that any suggestion that pure cocaine would be no harm to your kids is obviously insane.

As for tesco selling Heroine reducing crime and death rates... hmmm let me see... a yes... you are an idiot.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 20/08/2010 14:05
WHat are your views on cannabis?

There was a Legalise Cannabis discussion on Five Live the other day. Lots of slow, stuttering people phoned in, in favour. Quite amusing really.

offside-again Posted on 20/08/2010 14:10
WHat are your views on cannabis?

It is quite ridiculous that it is a class B drug alonside such things as amphetamines, yet ketamine is a class C.

Also medical cannabis should be available it's ridiculous to not have that, already works well in Canada, the US and Germnay is about to follow them.

It's the safest substance to use, if you're gonna use anything it should be Cannabis.

Anyway this site is dominated by XXXXXX heads(remeber alcohol is not a drug) so you won't get much pro cannabis debate here lol.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:12
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Jono,

With all due respect, I don't know where you are coming from now. You say that legalising it aint the answer, but it being illegal causes problems too... I am not sure on your stance any more.

The same society that reckons its best for the good of the countries health to keep drugs taboo also keeps your water clean, your roads safe, your teeth in good health, eduacates your kids, drains your toilet and tidys your rubbish. They do a lot to keep you and me healthy, and drugs prevention is as much a part of that as woking cats eyes on the A19.

'They' are not all evil killjoys out to spoil everybody's fun, they are just doing their best to try and make people, who are irrisponsible by nature, take a step back and think. No matter how you look at it, thats not a bad thing.

Torino Posted on 20/08/2010 14:13
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Legalise Cannabis and tax it, as it's already been said on this thread. But to legalise drugs like Heroin and Cocaine is a stupid idea.

offside-again Posted on 20/08/2010 14:14
WHat are your views on cannabis?

In short the Dutch system is the way forwards, decriminalise and allow people to grow up to five plants in there own home for personal use.

WHOPPING_GREAT_MONKEY_KNACKERS Posted on 20/08/2010 14:16
WHat are your views on cannabis?

CANNABIS IS FOR BRAIN DEAD MORONS AND WANNABEE JAMAICANS [V]

offside-again Posted on 20/08/2010 14:18
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Feck knows what that makes alcohol for then. [ref]

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:19
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Here Offside... so you think that anyone with an opinion differing to the frankly idiotic stance of 'It's the safest substance to use, if you're gonna use anything it should be Cannabis' is a xxxx head?

Alcohol is a drug. F F Sake, I stopped having that argument at age 16.

I've been there, done that mate. You name it, I've done it, and luckily for me I came out the other side fairly unscathed. Not proud I did that stuff, but not embarrassed either. It was fun to be honest. However, for every one of me, there are 200 downtrodden housing estates and many more hospital beds full of casualties.

jono_feds Posted on 20/08/2010 14:22
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Where did I say legalising it isn't the answer? I thought I'd said I think it is.

The problem of course with that argument about it being for the countries health is that if you listed all substances in order of toxicity you would see that many legal drugs are higher than illegal drugs.

It's just a total mess at the moment and prohibition of drugs just doesn't work! If you read up on what a lot of drug advisers say a lot of them think the same!

offside-again Posted on 20/08/2010 14:23
WHat are your views on cannabis?

No it's just a fact that it is pretty much the safest substance to use, ask Professor nut and other scientists, I'll throw in the fact that people don't act like morons on the stuff or get violent too. [;)]


mickymacc Posted on 20/08/2010 14:25
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Better socially(crime wise) than alcohol,less harmful than tobacco,just not "morally" acceptable.Not for me but each to their own.
When they ban the biggest killer of all,tobacco,I'll start believing that goverments have our best interests at heart.Drugs are banned because Goverments want to control.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:25
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Jono,

Ok, let me ask you this then.. why are you so keen to have it legalised? I smoked for 10 years. Never got in trouble with the law once. Can't think of anyone who did. I could get it pretty much when I wanted it, and it was one of the few things that actually got cheaper over the years. Even if they did legalise it, you wouldn't be able to smoke it in the pub anyway..

I will never understand the legalise cannabis brigade.

Mojo Posted on 20/08/2010 14:28
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I think it has an evil smell to it.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:29
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Offside...

My argument wasn't whether it is safe to use or not, it's more along the lines of 'why bother smoking it cos it's s h i t anyway and not particularly good for you'

To be honest, if I wanted to spend 15 quid (how much is an 8th these days?) on something w a n k and not particularly good for me I'd rather get a ham shank from a mandale triangle prozzie.

offside-again Posted on 20/08/2010 14:34
WHat are your views on cannabis?

What a rubbish argument archie, lot's of peole enjoy it for the fact it relaxes them, so I'd suggest that's why they bother, much like people like a beer or a glass of wine to unwind, maybe you were smoking sh1t gear too. [;)]

An 1/8th is 20 notes BTW.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 20/08/2010 14:35
WHat are your views on cannabis?

'Time to legalise ALL drugs'
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Not a wind up. Only sensible thing to do IMO and Politicians know it, but are too frightend it may cost the votes ofall the people who believe the propaganda.

Archie, have you heard yourself? Anyone who differs from your opinion is "an idiot"

jono_feds Posted on 20/08/2010 14:35
WHat are your views on cannabis?

It's because I think it is a huge strain on the police and NHS. At least turning it into an industry means that they can put tax and a high duty on it. This tax/duty could fund the NHS so people who choose to take drugs and pay for them over the counter could be the ones funding their own costs on the NHS.

Imagine (seriously think this through!) what it would be like if the police did not have to spend time busting dealers... because there are none! They could concentrate on keeping violent crime and theft down.

mickymacc Posted on 20/08/2010 14:37
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Maybe Archie has a "drug psychosis" due to all those drugs he says he's done.[?]

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:38
WHat are your views on cannabis?

No Maw, I said you were an idiot, and the more you type the clearer that becomes...

Politicians kow that legalising crack is the only sensible thing to do to do, but are somehow frightened to let on??? which politician would that be then? One of the ones on your planet? Ya moon unit.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:44
WHat are your views on cannabis?

And how much less strain do you think there will be on the NHS and Police when all these lovely drugs accessable across the counter? How will jo public fund his fabulous new, freely available and expensively tax inflated addiction?

I am no expert, but I am pretty confident thet the police spend vastly more time dealing with drugs related crime than busting the dealers, and legalising it wouldn't assist with that one bit, would it... I think it's time you thought about it.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:47
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Mickmak,

Eeeehh, that was so funny... no really it was... did you think of that all by yourself?... Honsestly.. you should be on the telly. Ehhh. a ha ha ha ... I don't know... stop it, stop it... I'm weeing myself...

No, really. Stop it.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 20/08/2010 14:53
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Archie, read up on it. The drugs dont harm anyone. The drugs arent the problem. Its all the crap added to them by the gangsters which causes the health issues.

Legalisation gets rid of the gangsters, the ill health and crime. Don't believe all the progaganda.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:53
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Offside...

Going round in circles here mate. Already covered the two galsses of wine every night argument.

Kilburn Posted on 20/08/2010 14:54
WHat are your views on cannabis?

The biggest dangers of cannabis?

1. Users being caught with it and prosecuted leading to probable loss of job, and a criminal record that then acts as a hindrance to their future chances of being productive members of society.

2. Users having to associate with drug dealers and criminals in order to get hold of it, increasing their likelihood of trying other illegal drugs or criminal activities.

The biggest real dangers from cannabis arise as a result of it being illegal, not as an effect of the drug itself.

Muttley Posted on 20/08/2010 14:55
WHat are your views on cannabis?

One of the reasons for legalising it is to reduce the coercion applied to kids. If you are selling (for example) cannabis in a licensed chemist shop the shop owner will not be stood outside school gates encouraging kids to try it, they will not glamourise it, they will sell a legal dose of the drug without cutting it to increase their profits, they will not accept the keys to a stolen car in exchange for their product, they will not in short contribute in a negative way to society unlike the current "providers"...

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 14:57
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Maw...

Honsestly mate, your argument is so full of holes it has the odour of swiss cheese, and for that reason I turn my nose up at it. I am a cheddar man myself. Sorry.

jono_feds Posted on 20/08/2010 15:00
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I have thought about it. This isn't the first time I've pondered the pros and cons of prohibition.

You are saying that police deal with drug related crime. Is there drink related crime? Is there cigarette related crime? Of course there is! The point is that cigarettes and alcohol are taxed a lot! They pay for their own costs to some degree. If drugs were then they would be able to contribute. At the moment, the only people who benefit financially are criminals. As a taxed entity, drugs would contribute hugely to the country's economy. That is the one thing that overturning the current laws would guarantee. It's the fact that no-one really knows what would happen if they were repealed that is the problem.

Anyway, the point I was making was how much time is spent busting dealers. In a bizarre roundabout way they'd actually be better prepared for any drug related crimes!

I actually think crime levels would go down because they could throw money (again from drug tax) into proper re-habilitation centres for addicts.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 15:05
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Kilburn...

In 38 years of existence on this planet I have never know one single person loose his or her job as a result of cannabis possession.

As for the the old 'in contact with dealers' argument... I bought always bought my hash from a mate or a mate of a mate, as everyone does. I bought my first acid at a festival from a complete stranger. I first tried coke at a doctors party in Hartlepool, my first ectasy was given to me in bed by two lesbians, any mushrooms I ate I picked myself and the one and only time I tried crack was in a field in Ireland. A most regrettable experience.

I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that just about everybody who has tried any of these drugs will have a similar story. I cant remember any hash dealer encouraging me to buy coke.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 15:08
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Crime levels would catagorically not go down.

And stop banging on about frickin alcohol and ciggies! They are here, deal with it.

littlejimmy Posted on 20/08/2010 15:11
WHat are your views on cannabis?

The reasons behind the prohibition of drugs like marijuana and the continuing phoney war on drugs need to be more widely disseminated.


Link: Under the influence:the disinformation guide

littlejimmy Posted on 20/08/2010 15:12
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Archie, you seem to be ignoring what has happened in Portugal. The evidence is right there.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 15:12
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Time spent busting dealers would reduce a little. There are still people selling cheap fags are't there? All other aspects of drugs crime would inrease, obviously.

jono_feds Posted on 20/08/2010 15:16
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Well, then I would have a less reasoned argument if I stopped using them as part of it.

You cannot say crime levels would not go down. No-one knows that but if there are no drug dealers and drug dealing ceases to be a crime then those statistics evaporate!

There are very, very strong arguments about this and not just by us uneducated lot on a footy messageboard:


Link: British Medical Journal

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 15:17
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The legalisation of cannbis is neither here nor there... frankly I couldn't giveatoss if it is or not. I have no idea why you are all desperate for it to be legalised, but each to their own.

It's the legalisation of class A that cannot and will not be realised in the UK. Even Holland fell short of that mark, and they are frickin mental.

offside-again Posted on 20/08/2010 15:17
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Archie, you seem to be ignoring what has happened in Portugal. The evidence is right there.

________________________________________________________

Exactly.

Archie any thoughts on medical cannabis ?

MawTheMerrier Posted on 20/08/2010 15:18
WHat are your views on cannabis?

And stop banging on about frickin alcohol and ciggies! They are here, deal with it.
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[:D] Nothing more I can add to that [:D][:D]

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 15:18
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Jono,

Nice chatting with you mate. Killed an hour on a slow afternoon. I guess we aint ever gonna agree, but that's life. Gotta dash now though.

Have a good weekend.

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 15:22
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Last post, cos I really gotta dash..

Medical Cannabis... obviously cannabis has a wealth of benefical medical properties, and of course these should be harnessed.

I am not against weed you know. My only arguments were

A: Smoking it every day is daft

B: Why bother legalising it?


jono_feds Posted on 20/08/2010 15:22
WHat are your views on cannabis?

You too. We'll agree to disagree on this one but no harms done is it!

newyddion Posted on 20/08/2010 15:23
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Any thoughts on Medical Heroin?

Archie_Stevens_Can_Fly Posted on 20/08/2010 15:27
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"Any thoughts on Medical Heroin?"

Absurd question. Heroin is an opiate, as is morphine. Actually... I am not going to answer that because I have more pressing things to attend to that be drawn into a pointless discussion like that.

Muttley Posted on 20/08/2010 15:27
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"Medical Heroin" what something like morphine?

Brilliant idea!

Piggy Posted on 20/08/2010 15:29
WHat are your views on cannabis?

It's just another little diversion from everyday existence. Some people like it, some people dont.

Whichever side of the fence you are on, you will still die in the end.


jeff_potato Posted on 20/08/2010 15:31
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Some people can handle it, some can't. The strange thing about cannabis particularly is that for such a relaxing substance it gets some people really hot under the collar.

It seems that a lot of normal people do it and carry on alright in life but in my own experiences, those who I know (or rather, knew) who smoked regularly got nowhere in life past where they were at 16/17.

I don't buy the argument that it's harmless after meeting quite a few people as a student who even after a couple of days from last use were still capable of no useful input in even the most basic conversation.

One of the biggest obstacles to legalisation must surely be the capability to test 'safe' levels during enforcement, with alcohol as an example there's the mg limit in breath which can be used for drink driving prosecutions.

My personal opinion is that drugs aren't for me and I don't like to be associated with them. Although there do seem to be some convincing arguments for relaxing rules there are a sizeable minority in this country who will not be able to smoke 'just enough' and will be fully baked by the time their kids are home from school for example... not that it doesn't already happen, sadly.

grantus Posted on 20/08/2010 16:36
WHat are your views on cannabis?

2 of the last three presidents of the United States of America smoked it in their youth.

If only they found some motivation, dedication and drive, imagine what they could have been.

joshie Posted on 20/08/2010 18:23
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Look at how the Swiss dealt with their problem and then debate rationally about decriminalisation of class A drugs.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 20/08/2010 18:31
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"Crime levels would catagorically not go down"

Bearing in mind its a crime to possess cannabis, I think that statement maybe a tad inaccurate [:D]

freetheleaf Posted on 20/08/2010 23:59
What are your views on cannabis?

it's almost impossible to get unbiased commentary from the press. someday they'll realize that cutesy stoner references have become blase.

realistically...hemp has over 40,000 industrial applications. it CAN and WILL change the world.


Link: www.facebook.com/free.the.leaf

dodger Posted on 21/08/2010 00:56
What are your views on cannabis?

Tesco would contaminate your drugs more than any street dealer.. they think nothing of poisioning your food now with chemicals and pesticides , they are by far the worst of the worst.

Beware false profits [xx(]


dodgy_surname Posted on 21/08/2010 01:20
What are your views on cannabis?

I quite enjoy a spliff[:D]

br14 Posted on 21/08/2010 04:55
WHat are your views on cannabis?

If theres a good reason not to legalise (then control) cannabis etc, I'd be interested to hear it.

As far as I can see making consumption of this particular drug illegal is ridiculous.

In itself it seems to me to be reasonably harmless and where I live half the population either use or have used it. So much so that consumption of it is more or less accepted by the law.

Note that I do not nor have I ever used cannabis, nor do I believe it is smoked by anyone other than half wits.

Half wits because anyone who buys the stuff is handing over their soul to the criminal fraternity. Not by choice I happen to have been acquainted with a couple of dealers, and I would not want to be under their control.

Overuse of cannabis generates "pot heads". People for whom life is passing by while they barely notice. The equivalent of alcoholism I suppose.

But it's certainly no worse than alcohol and in some respects a lot less damaging to others.

Decriminalise pot. Tax it. Authorise controlled production and remove 50% of the crime off the streets.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 21/08/2010 07:09
WHat are your views on cannabis?

legalise it regulate it tax it and be done ( and i have never done it or wanted to do it )

take out insurance from the tax

have tests for it in work

but hey wtf the police do not even check their vehicles before setting out on high speed driving in inclement weather, so a simple spliff test for certain occupations should minimise the risk!

boronutter Posted on 21/08/2010 08:01
WHat are your views on cannabis?

drugs are for mugs (and students) ban them!!!![^]

degsyspesh Posted on 21/08/2010 08:57
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Cannabis is pretty harmless in a relative sense and a good laugh if you're a teenager, but anyone over the age of about 25 who is a regular (I.e. daily) smoker needs to have a bit of a look at themselves cos to be honest it's a bit sad really.

Definately should be legalised and taxed though

tom_mate Posted on 21/08/2010 09:26
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Why on earth is it 'sad'?

Is it sad to drink a glass of wine when you come in from work?
I don't sit around all day smoking bongs and watching Cheech and Chong movies. I simply take about 20 minutes at the end of my day to smoke and unwind.

junkyard_angel Posted on 21/08/2010 10:03
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I do the same tom_mate, but only at weekends.

The war on drugs is the biggest failure of the 20th century yet we persist with it even today. In 1971 there were 2000 registered heroin addicts in the UK. Today, a conservative estimate puts that figure at 350,000. The war on drugs has seen an increase of use of 17,400%

The outgoing President of the Royal College of Physicians, Professor Sir Ian Gilmore became the latest pillar of society to support legalisation and regulation and end prohibition. The response from Westminster was that ending prohibition is not an option.

Let me ask those in favour of prohibition a question; is this a satisfactory reply regarding such unprecedented failure?

If such levels of failure occured in any other sector like health, finance or education, do you think we would be so easily slapped down? No, heads would rightly roll and alternative action would be demanded.

Einstein's definition of madness is 'continuing to do the same thing, hoping for a different outcome.' This is what the war on drugs is reduced to.

peterkay Posted on 21/08/2010 10:06
WHat are your views on cannabis?

drugs are simply wrong. I find it highly amusing people who try to justify breaking the law and at the same time justify been a drug user[V]

mickymacc Posted on 21/08/2010 10:08
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"drugs are simply wrong."-care to enlarge on that sweeping statement ?.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 21/08/2010 10:10
WHat are your views on cannabis?

reading the bible in english was a capital offence at one time

criminalising canabis does more harm than good

peterkay Posted on 21/08/2010 10:13
WHat are your views on cannabis?

as you asked, how about the amount of crime and lives lost to drug use, what about the young deaths caused by heroin, ecstasy, crack, cocaine and not to mention all the health and mental issues associated with drug use. We now have youngsters dying using legal highs, Would you like any more reasons micky mac?

junkyard_angel Posted on 21/08/2010 10:15
WHat are your views on cannabis?

peterkay, every problem you highlight is caused by prohibition.

Bishop_thumpety_thump Posted on 21/08/2010 10:16
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I rarely post here, but I can't help myself with this.

Alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs available. It is the direct cause of thousands of deaths a year not to mention all of the social consequences (antisocial behavior, wife beating, family breakdowns, mindless violence etc). I would guess that everyone on this board knows someone who's life has been destroyed by alcohol. Yet as a society we are incredibly tolerant of it to the point where we not only legalise and tolerate it but actively encourage it - widespread advertising is accepted and it is cheap and easily available.

Most people (quite rightly) oppose prohibition of alcohol because there is a demand for it and this demand will be met by crimianl gangs with the resultant crime and social problems this causes. Also many people feel that alcohol is 'quite safe in moderation'.

The same reasoning and arguments can be applied to the softer drugs like weed and amphetamines. Although by no means safe, there is a lot of evidence that these cause significantly less harm than alcohol

What makes me really mad is people who are against alcohol prohibition but in favour of drug prohibition. These are two opposing view points and I cant see how anyone with half a brain and some rational reasoning can argue both these points at the same time. You are either for prohibition or against it.

Personally I would like to see:
1) alcohol more restricted,
2) drugs like cannabis and amphetamines leagalised but with restricted supply from specialist licenced premises and taxed to provide an income
3) Harder drugs like crack and heroin made available on the NHS in treatment centers similar to the Swiss approach

I might see 1 and 3 in my lifetime but i very much doubt I will see 2.

One thing I am certain of is that future generations will look back on the 'War on Drugs' era and think we were completely mad in the same way we look at prohibition era America now.

Although I rarely drink and never take drugs (and i would never encourage anyone to take drugs of any sort) basic economics demonstrates that the war on drugs will never be won and something needs to change - it's just a matter of when.

Also the people arguing for drug prohibition by stating that there is still crime from black market cigarette and alcohol trade - give your head a shake. This is a drop in the ocean compared to the amount of crime resulting from the drug market.

peterkay Posted on 21/08/2010 10:23
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I agree about alcohol should be better controlled in the first instance raise the age limit to 21, restrict the sale of cheap drinks by supermarkets and off licences and also GO BACK to restricted hours ie. pubs closing at a reasonable time and alcohol not available for sale until lunchtime. As for drugs even if they were legal there would be mis-use and criminals fidning ways to make money from other peoples misfortune.

big_OL Posted on 21/08/2010 10:25
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I would never agree with legalising all drugs as I have seen first hand what heroin can do and its an evil drug but I dont think weed being legal would be too much of a problem, as many health risks as fags and alcohol. You would probably see an initial rise in use if it was legalised but after a few years it would settle down and then it would be a case of some people will do it and some people wont, just like smoking and drinking.
Might be some mental health issues but im a big believer that it depends on the person and some people are more prone than others.

junkyard_angel Posted on 21/08/2010 10:30
WHat are your views on cannabis?

big_OL. Most people have only seen the damage that illegal heroin can do. Pharmaceutical grade heroin prescribed properly is surprisingly safe and users can lead normal, productive lives.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 21/08/2010 10:37
WHat are your views on cannabis?

the british actually went to war on drugs

we wanted to supply them

then the french and americans wanted the same rights to supply drugs

soft drugs need de-criminalising
alcohol should not be allowed to be sold as a "LOSS LEADER" at less than cost price

and testing should be carried out more frequently on workers ( starting with the emergency services and forces ) for any substance abuse at work or driving. subject to a reasonable limit 2 pints ( spliff equivalent ) and severe punishment for those over the limit.

politicians should be bound by the same rules, how can you be blind drunk and make laws in the HOC

i know of many JPs, military officers, doctors, pilots who drink and work ( or did when i knew them ) and it was accepted.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 21/08/2010 10:41
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I've read that pure heroin does no harm. A person can live a 'normal' life on it with little long term damage, other than to viens.

The 'evil' about it is the shyyte its cut with, cleanliness, crime and lifestyle that goes with it due to its illegality.

Legalise and treat, not criminalise it. IMO.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 21/08/2010 10:44
WHat are your views on cannabis?

WRT alcohol, this is one 'evil' drug. The damage it causes to health and peoples life is horrific.

But I dont advocate banning it. That would be as dumb as banning drugs. But I do believe we should tighten up the sale of it, by banning it from supermarkets and just selling it from licenced premises. Offer treatment to addicts.

big_OL Posted on 21/08/2010 10:52
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I don't know enough about it to be honest but heroin has destroyed lives of a lot of lads i know including one or two family members so just wouldn't want to go anywhere near it.
What i dont understand is these young lads who are on it now when they have plenty of examples of what it can do to you, surely when they see a smack head they cant think "i want to look like that".

tom_mate Posted on 21/08/2010 11:28
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Did you know that 60% of the Talibans income in Afghanistan comes from supplying Heroin around Europe (mainly the UK).

sixtyniner69 Posted on 21/08/2010 11:39
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"Did you know that 60% of the Talibans income in Afghanistan comes from supplying Heroin around Europe (mainly the UK)."

probably very true but if we just gave the afghan farmers 1$ an acre a year to grow food they would not grow drugs. it would cost less than all those police and customs .


MawTheMerrier Posted on 21/08/2010 11:45
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Taliban income is due to us making it illegal.

Legalisation will solve this. Will make poppies a normal cash crop.


borobadge Posted on 21/08/2010 11:51
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when royalty and the super rich take drugs, its enhancing their lives for jolly japers, when it gets to the 'ordinary peasant folk' its seen as a 'destructive problem'...

perhaps its because they believe we wont want to fight wars or work in factorys for them anymore !....


junkyard_angel Posted on 21/08/2010 11:52
WHat are your views on cannabis?

You could burn every poppy in Afghanistan and it wouldn't even interupt the supply of heroin in the west. The trade would just move elsewhere.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 21/08/2010 11:55
WHat are your views on cannabis?

there is also the arguement that the association of chief police offices know that decriminalising a lot of drugs will solve a lot of crime problems

and they will not get paid as much or have as big a budget if they significantly reduce crime

bit like the english bibles, it has not really caused any extra major problems and we do not pay for religious police . and adult homosexuality and adult porn and freedom of information and the internet

north_east_invader Posted on 21/08/2010 11:59
WHat are your views on cannabis?

The overwhelming majority of anyone qualified to speak on the subject) police, judges, health experts etc) will tell you that prohibition not only has been a catastrophic failure, but it makes things worse.

Just one simple question, look at the overall impact that the billions we spend every year in prevention have. Is that a good return on your investment ? Last stats say that the total amount of seized Heroin coming into the UK represents around 1% of the total annual usage - 99% gets through - does this represent good value to the tax payer ?

How anyone with any amount of intelligence and reason can argue this is the best route forward is completely beyond me. Prohibition DOES NOT WORK and HAS NEVER WORKED. Drugs laws and tactics are a complete and total failure, therefore an alternate approach is required.

JonMc Posted on 21/08/2010 12:03
WHat are your views on cannabis?

The decriminalization of cannabis wouldn't dent the illegal sales of the drug in the uk.
For it to do so the gvt would have to make cannabis so cheap it would drive illegal sales out of business and that won't happen. Tobacco is legal and yet the black market is only restricted by the amount of tabs and baccy criminals can get into the country. Same with cannabis apart from the fact that this drug is supplied from this country in increasing amounts which circumvents any border restrictions.

I'm not fussed on the rights/wrongs of decriminalization of cannabis but to say that it would hit illegal sales is way off the mark.

boroproud Posted on 21/08/2010 12:05
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Imagine (seriously think this through!) what it would be like if the police did not have to spend time busting dealers... because there are none! They could concentrate on keeping violent crime and theft down.

Dunno if this has been responded to cos i only read as far as this but if you believe that statement then you will believe anything.

You can buy alcohol and fags perfectly legally from virtually any shop in the country these days,but still there are people who sell them cheaper from their doors.
Just because its legal there are still those who will want to make money out of it illegally!



Seems jonmc and I were thinking along the same lines (excuse the pun) at the same time.

JonMc Posted on 21/08/2010 12:08
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Great minds and all that malarky - Mr. Proud. [;)]

sixtyniner69 Posted on 21/08/2010 12:08
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"The overwhelming majority of anyone qualified to speak on the subject) police, judges, health experts etc) will tell you that prohibition not only has been a catastrophic failure, but it makes things worse."

but they get paid a lot of money because of it

borobadge Posted on 21/08/2010 12:12
What are your views on cannabis?

"They could concentrate on keeping violent crime and theft down."....


some would say, they are the direct result of seeking and sourcing illegal drugs.!..

so perhaps another bi-product positive, of the option to change policy.

junkyard_angel Posted on 21/08/2010 12:17
WHat are your views on cannabis?

JonMc, do you believe that if we were to open Dutch Style coffee shops in this country, that nobody would use them? Or that those that used them would double the amount they smoked and buy half of it from illegal sources? I don't think so. I would buy cannabis from legal sources simply for the benefits of quality and veriety, as would most other people.

Anyway, the discussion about legalised cannabis is about the futility of criminalising a large chunk of the population for doing something relatively harmless, so your point just leads that discussion down a cul-de-sac.

boroproud Posted on 21/08/2010 12:20
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Junkyard

I can buy a certain football teams (1 not far from where i live)replica top for £40 from their own club shop.
Alternatively there is a house again not far from me where i can buy exactly the same top (not fake) for £25.

You work out the maths mate,

JonMc Posted on 21/08/2010 12:25
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Angel:

Top quality hashish is freely available at £70 per ounce right now. Top quality skunk at £120. Market forces apply and no govt could compete with that - current prices in the Dam are 28 and 37 Euros respectively and that is per gram which is roughly 1:28.

Simple maths.

junkyard_angel Posted on 21/08/2010 12:26
WHat are your views on cannabis?

We still allow the sales of football shirts though. You can buy illegal anything, but that is not a reason for banning them. If we followed the Dutch model, it would not be the government setting the price but the growers and seed banks. The gov' would benefit licencing and taxing the shops.


junkyard_angel Posted on 21/08/2010 12:30
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Jon, I see that you reference the Dam but fail to see how the same system could work here.
It is not about the government taking over the market but legalising the present trade.

boroproud Posted on 21/08/2010 12:32
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"We still allow the sales of football shirts though. You can buy illegal anything, but that is not a reason for banning them."

I know what your saying but thats not really my point.

Earlier someone said it would free up police time because there would be no dealers.What im saying is that if someone can get things cheaper then you go for the cheaper option.So if the possibilty of selling anything cheaper is there then the dealers etc will still be around,and still 'chasing' unpaid debts.Maybe not in such a large number but still there.

JonMc Posted on 21/08/2010 12:40
WHat are your views on cannabis?

It wouldn't even free up police time as far illegal sales are concerned because being legal it would come under customs and excise who haven't got anything like the numbers to deal with the extra work coming their way. Customs are swamped already with tobacco and booze, they would be hammered if the gvt put cannabis into the mix.
And we can't employ more because the public purse is bloated as it is accorining to that nice Mr. Cameron.


sixtyniner69 Posted on 21/08/2010 12:40
WHat are your views on cannabis?

it will soon be legal in the us

only the bushy ones disagree

and we know bush is a plant that should be illegal


Link: soon to be legal

borobadge Posted on 21/08/2010 13:58
WHat are your views on cannabis?

a bit of a smoking gun..this thread.[:D]

junkyard_angel Posted on 21/08/2010 15:13
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"It wouldn't even free up police time as far illegal sales are concerned because being legal it would come under customs and excise who haven't got anything like the numbers to deal with the extra work coming their way. Customs are swamped already with tobacco and booze, they would be hammered if the gvt put cannabis into the mix.
And we can't employ more because the public purse is bloated as it is accorining to that nice Mr. Cameron."

Jon, this is a pathetic point. Are you saying that we can't legalise anything else because we don't have the people to tax it?
How does it work in The Netherlands then?

You seem to be labouring with the illusion that the state must take over the suply. They don't. All they need to do is decriminalise cannabis and the rest takes care of itself. The seed banks and growers produce high class products. They supply the coffee shops who pay tax and rates. People may undercut the shops by selling crap on street corners but so what?
They do that with cigs and booze but you don't want them banned.

north_east_invader Posted on 21/08/2010 18:04
WHat are your views on cannabis?

You can make all the arguments you like regarding what may or may not happen. The fact of the matter is that prohibition does not work and causes more harm than good. The sooner everyone accepts this and we start discussing alternatives the better for everyone.

We unfortunately need people to open their eyes, stop being bloody minded, and more importantly stop reading the Daily XXXXXXing Mail before that happens though.

meself Posted on 21/08/2010 18:06
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Ascf for drugs Czar... after all heís took all drugs and knows more than anybody else does about them, therefore heís right, so there!!
F**k off you self righteous, odious, condescending T**t

rivals_oldschool Posted on 21/08/2010 19:42
WHat are your views on cannabis?

The problem you have with full legalisation route is where does it end. It is a slippery slope.

The major flaw is it undermines the ability to regulate the entire drugs market, if you want to pass on the onus of risk of hard drug use to the users.

How do you regulate a market for any drug if your giving people the green light to shoot up on crack for the only purpose of fun.

How do you regulate other drug, new experimental ones for say hay fever,dietary drugs, drugs for body building, drugs for bigger c*ocks, etc.

Your putting you life into the hands of manufacturers who would put anything onto the shelves with the argument being the individual accepts the risk and side affects as his own, as it's his right too.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 21/08/2010 19:49
WHat are your views on cannabis?

" the argument being the individual accepts the risk and side affects as his own."

thats exactly how i feel the user should sign a declaration that they are over 16 a big boy and what happens, happens.

people who legislate, provide a service, transport people should have as part of their job a clause which says they will be drug tested when on duty , not all the time.

and i do not include sportsmen their club might want to stipulate but not a statuary law

rivals_oldschool Posted on 21/08/2010 20:13
WHat are your views on cannabis?

"thats exactly how i feel the user should sign a declaration that they are over 16 a big boy and what happens, happens".

What does that actually mean though?

sixtyniner69 Posted on 21/08/2010 20:17
WHat are your views on cannabis?

basically if they can handle whatever they take it is ok [^]

they can not handle it cold turkey rehab till they are cured no mr softley softley stick em out on the farne islands to detox [rle]

gravyboat Posted on 21/08/2010 20:25
WHat are your views on cannabis?

I've taken a lot of drugs in my time, and although not so much these days, I still do.

Without reading the entire thread, there does seem to be some sort of sea change regarding opinions on prohibition.

Those against legalisation (whether it's across the board, or only for certain substances) are simply fighting an un-winnable battle. You're wasting your time.

Despite years of criminalising a personal choice, drug use continues to become more and more popular. It is simply human nature that we will, within reason, do what we want, and no amount of laws and legislation will stop people finding, and taking drugs.

That is why all drugs should be legalised and regulated. All prohibition does is create more health problems, more crime, more death, more misery, and ultimately wastes billions of dollars/pounds 'fighting' a battle that will never be won. No doubt those against drug use will gnash their teeth at this, and point the finger at the drug, but people will continue to take them, so why criminalise a user?

Most of my friends take drugs in one fashion or another. Some have top jobs, majority have good jobs, one or two have fallen by the wayside a little, but none are in the gutter. As I think Tom alluded to, if somebody ends up struggling whilst taking drugs, generally, they'd have been struggling anyway, probably with booze. If you've got the sense, drive and nouse to do well in life, you won't let drugs get the better of you. They'll just enhance your life.

There are, of course, scenario's regarding smack, crack and crystal meth etc, filthy drugs that will ruin peoples lives, and the lives of their families.

But a huge percentage of these type of users are a direct result of social issues across the world, usually linked to poverty, and exploited mercilessly by drug producers, and the pyramid under them.

The idea that the user themselves should then be subject to criminalisation is, lets be honest, absolutely fcuking bonkers.

Tbh, I could type about this all night, but I'll just end up boring people, if I haven't already.

One last thing though - the Economist has recently carried out an investigation into drug use across the world, and ultimately came up with what they think is the best solution. Legalise everything.



rivals_oldschool Posted on 21/08/2010 20:32
WHat are your views on cannabis?

So legalisation is fabulous, yet the small print says your still reliant on the welfare state to step in when it does inevitably go wrong?

Hardly a resounding argument.

Doesn't work, it won't work.

It wouldn't work in exactly the same manner why too many people would burn their days away shooting up legally at home whilst claiming welfare.

Except legalising it would remove that stigma. At least now we can try and penalise people for not contributing to society.

We don't have it easy enough for people to do nothing in their day but be paid to take drugs when they're s other people in the world who don't have enough food to eat.

gravyboat Posted on 21/08/2010 20:37
WHat are your views on cannabis?

'When it does inevitably go wrong'

When you start a post with a statment that has no foundation, it's not really worth reading the rest.

That said, I did, and I'm glad I did, or I wouldn't have read this:

'Paid to take drugs'

[:D]


Boro_Scally Posted on 21/08/2010 20:39
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Actully thought this said

What are you view on Cannibals? [:D][^]

gravyboat Posted on 21/08/2010 20:43
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Just for you, Boro_scally


Link: What are the chances of that?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 21/08/2010 20:43
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Actually I'm referring niners point.

It hardly points to success if the first thing you have to do at the age of 16 is a sign a declaration!

As if thats the first thing a 16 year old would do anyway.

"here's some drugs",

"Hold on mate, I must sign my declaration first, can this wait till Thursday"?

north_east_invader Posted on 21/08/2010 20:47
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Despite the 1.5Bn the UK alone spent last year on "fighting" this drug war, drugs have never been cheaper or easier to get. I would need to see some stats, but it wouldn't surprise me that they are at their worst quality either (and therefore most harmful).

The ban on mephedrone last year took something (that incidentally nobody died from - despite some tabloid stories) away and replaced it with things much worse, same with GHB/GBL etc.

Coming up to 40 years after Nixon's "War on Drugs" and billions upon billions spent worldwide - what progress have we made ? what return have we, the tax payers had from this money ? Nothing.

Look at what happened in Portugal.

north_east_invader Posted on 21/08/2010 20:50
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Rivals - issues regarding the welfare state are not the same issues as those affecting drugs laws. People on the dole can go out now and spend it on drugs, in fact a lot of them are doing it already. Or Booze, or ciggies ... this is an entirely different argument/problem.

gravyboat Posted on 21/08/2010 20:54
WHat are your views on cannabis?

It doesn't really matter who you're refering to, the point is the same. You're saying 'it', i.e legalisation, will 'inevitably go wrong'

That's just unfounded conjecture.

I'm telling you Rivals, it's a waste of time and money, and always will be. The only reason recreational drugs are still illegal in Britain today is because it would be politial suicide to instigate such a big change in policy.

And the reason it would be political suicide is because there are far too many vocal people who, like you, stand from afar with you insular views, and simply don't like 'the idea' of drugs being legal. You've got your head in the sand.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 21/08/2010 21:01
WHat are your views on cannabis?

It does matter as it will inevitably go wrong for some people otherwise why the need to sign a declaration?

I've never been inclined to take them even when offered and I have just as much right to speak up on it. I'll happily hit back and say I have the will power not to indulge unlike some.

Exchanging the onus from drug suppliers as they are now, to established manufacturers would change nothing. You think profit making companies give a sh*t?

You ever take into account the lobby these companies would do or already do? Look at the lobbying from tobacco companies as it is or any questionable lobbying from any company over the years.

You think these companies made for profit would gave any-more of a sh*t than drug suppliers now?

No they would not.

Plus they wouldn't have to either since you've signed away the risk in a declaration to stick anything they want onto a shelf for general usage.


gravyboat Posted on 21/08/2010 21:20
WHat are your views on cannabis?

The very fact that you think people who take drugs have no 'will power' goes to show you have a pre-determined opinion of drug users, which again, has no foundation.

Whatever you say about manufacturers lack of scruples with regard to their products - and you're right, because like all large corporate entities - they have, nor want, the ability to care about the consumer - the current alternative is a 1000 times worse.

joshie Posted on 21/08/2010 21:37
WHat are your views on cannabis?

Decriminalisation and proper systems for controlling the purity/quality of substances used, along with professional help for long term addicts, has worked in other countries.


It has reduced the number of drug addicts and taken the users away from the dealers.

Look at countries like Switzerland, where the average age of a heroin addict has gone up year on year as the original group of addicts age and younger people dont associate themselves with it.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 21/08/2010 21:38
WHat are your views on cannabis?

OK then, that has no foundation either, it's mere speculation.

How do you know it's a 1000 times worse?

If you want an example of introducing new legally addictive substances to the high street look no further than fast food outlets.

Since they're conception they're food is said to have been both physiologically addictive and physically harmful.

Obesity levels have rocketed since.

I'm sorry but if we can't get food right, doing the same thing with drugs isn't going to work.

north_east_invader Posted on 22/08/2010 08:54
WHat are your views on cannabis?

rivals you need to do some serious reading up mate, I hope one day those blinkers will fall off because its people like you that are the cause of the problem completely failing to be addressed properly.

Answer me one question, do you believe that for our £1.5bn spend last year that preventing a whopping 1% of heroin from entering our country represented good value for money ? What would your reaction be if the police stats showed about a 1% hit rate for burglary, or rape ?

Answer me another question, Considering the billions spent worldwide since Nixon's "War on Drugs speech", how is the fact that drugs have never been cheaper or easier to obtain or that around 30,000 have been killed in incidents drug trafficking in Mexico alone, or any stat ... ..... .....

.... actually change the question ... Show me 1 stat, one single stat that shows we have more than a cat in hells chance of winning this war - because we don't.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 22/08/2010 09:13
WHat are your views on cannabis?

so we could save 1.5BN
stop a lot of crime ( they say most crime is drug related nowadays )
the illegal import would probably go down a lot not up
we could tax the produce and spend it on care generating jobs and income
probably get the more addicted to be productive as opposed to destructive in return for a fix

cleaning painting gardening mending
instaed of robbing thieving stealing breaking

was the sherlock holmes character an morphine user and were the opium dens of his day frequented by the wealthy and socially accepted