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robert_huths_niggling_injuries Posted on 18/08/2010 14:17
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This was their response to over the top stewarding:


Dear Mr. Newton



I refer to your email dated 9th August 2010.



In relation to your comments about the ‘over the top’ stewarding in Block 53 it is indeed unfortunate that I was placed in a position where I had to deploy more staff in that area. There does appear to be an element of fans in that location who consider that they are not required to conform to the ground regulations or indeed the normal high standard of behaviour that Middlesbrough Football Club are recognised for. Until that situation is resolved it may well be necessary to be proactive in Block 53. I totally agree with generating an atmosphere but this must be done in accordance with the safety requirements placed upon the club.



Regarding your comments about the flag poles I must say that they are ill informed. Having been Safety Officer at Riverside Stadium since 1996 I can speak with some authority on the matter. Since this stadium opened in 1995 flags with a pole in excess of three feet and a diameter of approx 5mm have been banned. Not only are they banned at the Riverside, almost every club in the country has the same rule with some going further and completely banning them. The items you refer to were in the region of 6 feet and two of them were constructed with a piece of material to make a large banner. If held up this would completely block the view of spectators behind the article. There were a number of these which could have caused considerable trouble with spectators having their views blocked. These long sticks could also be used as weapons.



The huge flag poles that you saw in the corners were in fact under the control of the club. They were not used inside the seating area. They were used as the players entered the pitch and dismantled and removed before kick off.



I am quite sure that you are fully aware that Riverside Stadium is an all seater stadium and that under The Safety at Sportsgrounds Act all fans are required to be seated while the game is in progress. Fans are not allowed to stand or sit on the steps as these must be kept clear for any emergency that may arise. The stewards were deployed in that position to deal with a considerable number of non compliant fans who are doing Middlesbrough Football Club no favours.



This game was being monitored by a representative of Middlesbrough Council Safety Advisory Group who expressed concern about this situation. The group does in fact have the legal power to reduce the capacity in this area if it considers it a danger.



I do not know if you were one the group of spectators I referred to but please rest assured that flag poles and banners of the size I described will be banned and that stewards will continue to be proactive in an effort to show that the club are complying with the requirements of the General Safety Certificate.



I would hope that having the situation explained to you that you will be able to share this information with your fellow spectators and help to bring this to a satisfactory conclusion.



Your Sincerely



R Turnbull

Safety Officer.

LTS_3 Posted on 18/08/2010 14:21
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He obviously got sick of warming the bench at Chelsea.

abcdefg Posted on 18/08/2010 14:22
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A good and fair response.

flymetothemido Posted on 18/08/2010 14:22
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Will you post your email to them, please?

Lucky_Number_Slaven Posted on 18/08/2010 14:22
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[:D]

PinkPonce Posted on 18/08/2010 14:23
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'R Turnbull

Safety Officer'

Least he's finally realised he's not upto being a goalkeeper, anyway ...

PP ... x

MarlonD Posted on 18/08/2010 14:23
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It can be summed up with the following -

Dear Supporter,

You and your mates in block 53 are a bast_ard nuisance. We don't like you so we are doing the 'Rule Book Special' on all of you.

You really are a silly boy, please stop bothering me as I have the task of reducing the matchday experience to the levels of excitement of a bowling game played on a wet & windy monday.

Your Notreallybothered-ly


R.Turnbull

3rd choice keeper Chelsea

sitheman Posted on 18/08/2010 14:23
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Could have had a career in goal for the boro. Instread went to waste at Chelsea and now a steward.

Buzza Posted on 18/08/2010 14:24
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What a complete tosser XXXXXX to it you should keep setting flares off that will XXXXXX them off

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 18/08/2010 14:25
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This is what Littlejohn calls 'Hi-viz Britain'.

robert_huths_niggling_injuries Posted on 18/08/2010 14:25
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i can't post the orignal mail cos having spent over half an hour typing it out on the website complaints form i realised it was set so you can't copy and paste anything out of it

swines

flymetothemido Posted on 18/08/2010 14:28
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How convenient

oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 14:33
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Has anyone really got a problem with that response? Seems very fairly put.

rob_fmttm Posted on 18/08/2010 14:33
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Personally I don't think you should publish replies to emails on this public website. And certainly not without your own email.

The next time someone sends an email then Mr Turnbull is going to think twice about whether he is replying for your eyes or the eyes of the world. It might mean that the next person to email him will receive a far shorter reply.

Bandy Posted on 18/08/2010 14:34
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what a patronising response!

That turnbull bloke is a jobsworth and will bow down to any old sh ite to ensure he toes the line

flymetothemido Posted on 18/08/2010 14:35
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Bandy, you haven't seen the original email FFS. How can you judge his reposnse without seeing what he is responding to?

oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 14:36
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Yes rob, it would be far better for everyone to enter into individual correspondence and get the same answer rather than publicise this information.

It is the responsibility of the person writing the email to ensure they do not put anything in there not for public consumption as it is a permanent record.

"you will be able to share this information with your fellow spectators"

MarlonD Posted on 18/08/2010 14:37
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flymetomido - its very patronising and it may as well state that they are working to rule.

No flexibility = poor atmosphere

smig62 Posted on 18/08/2010 14:38
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Read the last paragraph, Rob [;)]

rob_fmttm Posted on 18/08/2010 14:40
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OK I see it now I apologise.


Esteban Posted on 18/08/2010 14:40
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Yeah, they never replied when I put in to be the back up Roary... He's a bit taller than me mind so I can see where they are coming from. [|)]

oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 14:40
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"its very patronising and it may as well state that they are working to rule."

What a stupid thing to say. Yes, they are working to rules, you know, the ones that can have our attendance reduced or a our safety certificate removed?

MawTheMerrier Posted on 18/08/2010 14:41
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MArlon [^]

Jobsworths intent on ruining the matchday for people who put money over the turnstile. Havent they got anything better to do?

As for the Act, I have yet to read where it says fans must be seated during a game. All the Act says is a requirement for all seater stadia. It is the quango guidelines which say fans must be seated, not the Act. (as far as i am aware, and I welcome any correction)

flymetothemido Posted on 18/08/2010 14:43
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"flymetomido - its very patronising and it may as well state that they are working to rule."

Marlon - Yes, working to the rules under which they are employed. As i'm sure you do in your job?

MarlonD Posted on 18/08/2010 14:46
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ooooo - If the world worked to a rule book and everything was black & white, believe me society would collapse.

If the club insist on taking the black & white view over the block 53 issue they will invariably drive away a group of young supporters who won't return.

Absolute bloody minded red taped foolishness.

Just when they seem to move an issue forward they take two steps back.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 18/08/2010 14:46
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The flag rules a load of b0ll0cks as well. Pretty sure the famous kop doesn't comply to the daft flag pole rules.

Benni_Santini Posted on 18/08/2010 14:46
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"
Regarding your comments about the flag poles I must say that they are ill informed. Having been Safety Officer at Riverside Stadium since 1996 I can speak with some authority on the matter. Since this stadium opened in 1995 flags with a pole in excess of three feet and a diameter of approx 5mm have been banned. Not only are they banned at the Riverside, almost every club in the country has the same rule with some going further and completely banning them. The items you refer to were in the region of 6 feet and two of them were constructed with a piece of material to make a large banner. If held up this would completely block the view of spectators behind the article. There were a number of these which could have caused considerable trouble with spectators having their views blocked. These long sticks could also be used as weapons".

Different rules obviously



Link: How long would he last in a job here?

Benni_Santini Posted on 18/08/2010 14:48
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Beat me to it RedcarBlock53 [^][B)][^]

MarlonD Posted on 18/08/2010 14:48
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flymetomido - Go to work and work to the rule book, by the letter. I can guarantee you will be out of work and a Jeremy Kyle Show guest before you can say the words "I'm on my lunch hour"

flymetothemido Posted on 18/08/2010 14:51
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"flymetomido - Go to work and work to the rule book, by the letter. I can guarantee you will be out of work and a Jeremy Kyle Show guest before you can say the words "I'm on my lunch hour"

I agree - but when you are repsonding to an email that will go into the public domain, on behalf of a high profile company, surely you would follow the rules to the letter, no?

Bandy Posted on 18/08/2010 14:51
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someone should email that kop picture and say "pick the bones out of that you prik"

Jeremy_Clarkson Posted on 18/08/2010 14:53
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[:D] At Marlon's Reply

PaulLeGuen Posted on 18/08/2010 14:56
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someone should email that kop picture and say "pick the bones out of that you prik

You do it?

oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 14:57
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Marlon, society would collapse if rules laid out for everyone can be vetoed by a minimum wage steward arbitrarily.

I'm sure you've never had to come up with a procedure befor ein your life but if you do, let me know how tagging "but you don't really need to do this" on the end goes.

ccole Posted on 18/08/2010 14:59
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It summarises why the atmoshare is going backwards at the club. Send him another and ask what exactly he is doing to help improve the match day experience?

Putting extra stewards on the stairs and gangways to stop people sitting in the empty seats in that area because their ticket is for another block, certainly doesn’t help.

The club has got the crowd and gates its policies (such as pricing) created.

oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 15:00
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Having seen your reply to a previous post Marlon, you clearly think lacking flexibility in your work is the same as ensuring standards at work. Leaving work on time and never missing a minute of your lunch is not the same as deciding to just XXXXXX off a ruling that allows your company to run.

MarlonD Posted on 18/08/2010 15:00
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ooooo - what the fcuk are you going on about ?

Simple fact is the club are using the rulebook in its purest form to help send the club towards even lower crowds.

Lunacy.

keelo Posted on 18/08/2010 15:01
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Fans are not allowed to stand or sit on the steps as these must be kept clear for any emergency that may arise. The stewards were deployed in that position to deal with a considerable number of non compliant fans who are doing Middlesbrough Football Club no favours.


Never ever seen em wading in when the Geordies were here.the lot were standing, or if it,s fans in large numbers Non-complying to the rules doesn't matter!

flymetothemido Posted on 18/08/2010 15:01
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"ooooo - what the fcuk are you going on about ?

Simple fact is the club are using the rulebook in its purest form to help send the club towards even lower crowds.

Lunacy."


So you think the club WANT lower crowds [:o)]
Marlon sounds like a bit of a knob to be fair like

MarlonD Posted on 18/08/2010 15:04
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flymetomido - Do I say that the club want lower crowds ? I was actually inferring that this is what will happen if they carry on with their current policies.


oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 15:05
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"Simple fact is the club are using the rulebook in its purest form to help send the club towards even lower crowds."

That just doesn't make sense.

What rule that they are enforcing there that they should turn a blind eye to? And who, apart from a group of wannabe hooligans, are being inconvenienced in the slightest by that rule?

Because I could be wrong here, but the fans in that block seem to revel in doing whatever they can to wind the club up so they can play the victim, all over issues that the vast majority couldn't give a toss about.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 18/08/2010 15:11
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oooooo the RF are strictly anti-violence and had a prematch pint with our Ipswich equivalents (section6). The only aggro caused was by the aggressive and rude stewards but don't let that get in the way of your reasoned argument.

Big_Ted_Church Posted on 18/08/2010 15:11
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To be honest, If i paid to go to a game and couldn't see 'cos of a banner, i'd rip it down, so it's kinda fair enough that it/they weren't allowed.

THAT SAID, I didn't see the size or placement of whatever was being put up so he could be being reasonable (if it obstructs other peoples views) or he could just think, sod you, and not allow any fun.

I dunno really [sad]

Not sure why i bothered replying to be honest cos i can't comment on what i've not seen really. Bit like the whole thread cos we've not seen the original e-mail.

Guess i'm just bored and waiting till i can go home after work. It's dead.

Anyone got that Manic Miner online game please? [:D]

Bandy Posted on 18/08/2010 15:12
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as far as i see it the red faction are fantastic for our football club but the stewards are doing their best to keep things "familyfied" which is where the brass is

MawTheMerrier Posted on 18/08/2010 15:14
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Marlon [^][^] second time

"could be used as weapons" [|)]

When has a flag pole ever, ever, been used as a weapon at the Riverside? FFS they have totally lost touch with reality. They should have everyone remove thier shoes as these could be used to kick people. Doyles.

oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 15:14
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"oooooo the RF are strictly anti-violence and had a prematch pint with our Ipswich equivalents (section6). The only aggro caused was by the aggressive and rude stewards but don't let that get in the way of your reasoned argument."

So why do your members hide their faces? Or is that just make-believe? I'm not suggesting they are hooligans, just wannabe hooligans which is not quite the same. IE, they want to give the impression that they are bad boys but it's all just a front.

Hence why they hide their faces, or perhaps you can clarify why they do that?

Jerry_Brown Posted on 18/08/2010 15:18
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Seems to me there are two types of supporters occupying this section, the real RF who are intent on raising the noise and atmosphere in the stadium, and a pack of teenage wannabes who are hiding behind the RF banner.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 18/08/2010 15:19
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oooooo go on the RF forum or RF facebook page and you'll see hundreds of happy smiley faces in the picture section. Continually using one daft picture to judge a whole group of people who have actively fought against hooliganism/racism/homophobic behaviour is wearing abit thin now.

B-MAN Posted on 18/08/2010 15:19
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"When has a flag pole ever, ever, been used as a weapon at the Riverside? FFS they have totally lost touch with reality"......the point is that they havent been, because theyre banned. If they let everyone in with6 foot metal flag poles one lunatic would use one eventually. Would you rather have everything allowed in until they are used as a weapon or act first as a prevention? Same goes for those standing and sitting on the stairs, there might not have been an incident where this has caused a problem but if such a situation arose it could actually be the difference between life and death for someone. Just go to where your seat is, have a good sing and behave yourself. It really isnt that difficult.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 18/08/2010 15:27
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B-man, you'd make a good steward.[rle]

Just go to where you seat is, sit on your hands, keep your mouth shut, and enjoy yourself. [smi]






oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 15:29
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RedcarBlock53, I can't go on the forum as you have a picture of a fat , naked bloke at the top.

So you can't answer why they posed like that in that one picture? Fair enough but I'd suggest the reason is that they are having fun dressing up as hooligans - aka wannabes.

tomtom3 Posted on 18/08/2010 15:29
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there has never been so much negative publicity about our club and its policie since this so called group of supporters arrived on the scene. If you really want to support the club then work with them and not against them as other supporters do and if you do not like the stadium rules either speak with them and negotiate or dont go. The so called leaders of this group seem to have an alternative agenda than supporting our team. Bye the way i am indipendant of any fans group who is sick of all your hype

B-MAN Posted on 18/08/2010 15:30
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Except thats not what I said was it? Why is it so difficult to go to the seat you've been allocated?

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 18/08/2010 15:31
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mawthemerrier that is the funniest thing i have ever read on here! It really did make me have a laughing fit. And worst thing is its probably true! [:D]

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 18/08/2010 15:35
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What about the hundred pictures of people having fun or making anti-violence banners. Surely if were wannabes we must be vocal/flag making/anti-violence wannabes?

oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 15:36
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My point is, you have some members in your group who aspire to that lifestyle. Whether you like it or not. And while I'm sure they don't represent all of you, they are still there, in that part of the ground, causing trouble.

RenzoRosso Posted on 18/08/2010 15:37
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what a load of ballacks, why do you need a flag?

MawTheMerrier Posted on 18/08/2010 15:41
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cheers.

Point is, what would happen if the stewards just left these lads alone and didnt go within 100 yards of them? Nowt would happen, thats what. Nothing. Zilch.

The stewards, safety officers and council wallahs, are all just making up petty rules and regs, to get a stiffy on, telling people what to do. They are a bunch of pathetic creeps.

levendale Posted on 18/08/2010 15:43
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Can someone explain to me how every home game i manage to miss all these hooligans and all the trouble that breaks out every match .

Jerry_Brown Posted on 18/08/2010 15:54
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"The stewards, safety officers and council wallahs, are all just making up petty rules and regs"

Blame Liverpool fans.

Texas_Pete Posted on 18/08/2010 15:57
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A quick chat with Keith Lard would sort it all out.


Link: Safety 1st, Safety 2nd

R0fl_tb_xx Posted on 18/08/2010 16:00
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Why do the Red Faction think they don't have to adhere to the rules, not set by MFC, but set by the FA?

rob_fmttm Posted on 18/08/2010 16:15
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Not set by the FA but by the government and implimented through the local safety advisory group - local councils, fire, police, ambulance as well as football club etc sit on a body with the authority to close parts of the ground or reduce capacity in those areas by removing the licence etc.

The example of the giant banners that used to be waved around the edge of the pitch is surely the path to go down. Work out a way of getting pre-match and pre-second half kick off atmosphere going with giant flags. In the crowd itself have smaller, fire-tested banners and shorter flag poles.


robert_huths_niggling_injuries Posted on 18/08/2010 16:28
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People get their backs up because the club act like folk in block 53 are the first people to ever stand up in a football ground. people on the back row all round the stadium were stood up against Ipswich but the only part of the ground where stewards bustle in and throw their weight around is in block 53.

What happens if the club get to a cup semi final and decide to have a pathetic, plastic "flag day"? Would they employ stewards all round the ground with tape measure measuring everyones poles? No, because it would be in their best intrests for the part timers to turn up with their flags and foam hands.

And why is it so less dangerous for a steward to stand in the aisle and not a fan? At the start of the second half against Ipswich i heard an old lady politely ask the steward to move from where he was stood in the aisle cos she couldn't see the Ipswich goal. His reply? "No". Lovely that.

What the club don't seem to understand is that such heavy handed and confrontational stewarding is only going to make Red Faction more determined.

A middle ground can be met, but it can only happen if the club are prepared to meet in the middle.

And by the way, nowhere does it say fans have to sit down, only that stadia should be all seater.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 18/08/2010 16:30
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Cheers for the response Rob. The problem is the club see us as a nuisance. Theyve agreed to certain things then moved the goal posts before. Im pretty sure if we made/bought 100 hundred flags within their new parameters theyd soon find/create a new rule to ban them. Theyve had the police profile 'ringleaders' so despite our best efforts to create an atmosphere and distance ourselves from doyles/hooligans they still treat us as such. The fact is in a couple of years theyll have banned or drove away anyone who wishes to support MFC vocally with colour and passion.

SKEELO Posted on 18/08/2010 16:33
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Fings ain't wot they used to be thats for sure. The PC Brigade and Elf and safety lot are f***ing nutters imo. I'm pretty sure in the near future you'll be ejected for farting or arrested and sentenced to death.

Bring back the good ole days, a couple of bags of assorted veg to hoy at the opposition keeper when he reached the Holgate. [^]

MawTheMerrier Posted on 18/08/2010 16:49
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Some good posts here.

"in a couple of years theyll have banned or drove away anyone who wishes to support MFC vocally with colour and passion."

This has already happened mate.

I simply dont understand why they want to alienate supporters who pay good money to go.

onthemap Posted on 18/08/2010 17:28
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Which part of THE CLUB HAVE NO CHOICE OR ANY SAY IN THIS MATTER is causing you problems?

I've put the important bits in capitals.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 18/08/2010 17:32
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The club do doylem. Look at how Liverpool relax the rules for the kop or even how the club relaxed the rules after 'lettergate'.

bblf Posted on 18/08/2010 17:40
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If the club are so keen on appying the regulations why do they let Man U , Geordies, Mackems and other away fans stand all the time.

robert_huths_niggling_injuries Posted on 18/08/2010 17:41
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Exactly

Cooper671 Posted on 18/08/2010 17:45
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If the club have no say why didn't they throw all the Geordies out last season?

rob_fmttm Posted on 18/08/2010 18:03
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Newcastle have many times in the past had their allocation cut because of persistent standing. Exactly the same applies to Man United.


onthemap Posted on 18/08/2010 18:09
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You can't mention things like that Rob, that would just mean that the club are simply trying to follow the rules.

Benni_Santini Posted on 18/08/2010 18:16
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"Newcastle have many times in the past had their allocation cut because of persistent standing"

"persistent standing" And yet they will continue to do it here and all over the country, as do the others

That's been one hell of a deterrent hasn't it Rob [rle]

Cooper671 Posted on 18/08/2010 18:16
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No why didn't they throw them out? Not cut allocation in future, they would throw u out in the home end not cut the allocation so why different rule?

oooooo Posted on 18/08/2010 18:20
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Where would they go if you chucked them out?

Chuck a boro fan out, he goes home, chuck a newcastle fan out then he's got time to kill. Far simpler task to manage that crowd by keeping them together.

onthemap Posted on 18/08/2010 18:20
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Maybe throwing out all the away fans would cause more trouble at a time when the club are trying to diffuse it?

Maybe we should issue free javelins to the home supporters for half time entertainment?

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 18/08/2010 18:22
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Out of interest, how many arrests, complaints etc has there been in Block53?[?]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 18/08/2010 18:38
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I was at Stoke last season and I didn't see the stewards rushing round tying to sit everyone down everytime 1/2 the ground stood up to sing Delilah.

At Man City the home fans next to the away end stand up all game with not a peep from the stewards

Cooper671 Posted on 18/08/2010 18:41
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They did at hull stood up next to away fans all game and not a word from stewards

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/08/2010 18:48
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Follow the rules or fcuk off.

The club are doing what they have to by law, just accept it.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 18/08/2010 18:50
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ron turnbull,,,,i had dealings with that fella[:(!]

Hoover-The-Pig Posted on 18/08/2010 18:52
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I think it's funny that a lot of fans who are complaining and stating the clubs actions will drive fans away have not been to a game in years

Cooper671 Posted on 18/08/2010 18:54
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I think it's funny that a lot of fans who are complaining and stating the clubs actions will drive fans away have not been to a game in years

How do you know, who goes and doesnt, i wouldnt have a clue

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 18/08/2010 18:57
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thousands of leicster fans stood next to us last week not a peep from their stewards, over to you mfc.

Cooper671 Posted on 18/08/2010 19:02
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What would happen if they just let these fans stand?

I mean what would really happen?
Has any club ever had their attendance reduced due to this?
Surely if any authority tried to you could point to every other club which fans stand at in argument against it.

Nothing would happen at all, wouldnt have to worry about reducded crowd area, might get a full house if we get it down to 20k


flaps Posted on 18/08/2010 19:23
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I hope they don't reduce the riverside's capacity that would be a big problem.

edinboro Posted on 18/08/2010 19:37
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I'm, sorry but the Boro really do have no idea how to implement the rule book. From what I can see, based on experiences at other grounds, ours seems to be the only club who actively try to discourage the development of any sort of atmosphere amongst the home fans.

Whether you are sat in the North West corner, the North Stand or Block 53 the stewards seem to have the sole outlook of making you sit down and shut up.

Well, as people have said there folk will turn people away from going to the match which will hit the club in the pocket.

So, Boro have a decision to make - either work WITH the fans and communicate properly or let the atmosphere die even more.

Fans haven't changed over the years - but the people in charge of running the ground have.

Chachie Posted on 18/08/2010 19:45
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My response is, if ur not happy, dont go. I dont go to the games anymore, its just not worth it. The whole match day experience just isnt what it used 2 be. The isnt goin forward in any way & i refuse 2 line players pockets with my hard earned cash. That sed, i am a fan & want us to do well.

neworder Posted on 18/08/2010 20:13
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everything is a danger to these health and safety fascists, if someone told them that the depth of the foundations under our beautiful cathedrals these nobs would pull them down.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 18/08/2010 20:31
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i have been going to watch the boro since 82/83 season,st holder at riverside and the way mfc are going they will not be getting my hard earned cash next year,lets see how the following matches pan out though first, could of just been ott 1st match of the season syndrome by mfc.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 18/08/2010 21:14
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Turnbulls gonna be trying to stamp his authority.

boro_olly Posted on 18/08/2010 21:20
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If the 'red faction' stop throwing their rubbish and bits of old flagpoles like little kids onto fans below then there might not need extra stewards upthere!

sasboro1 Posted on 18/08/2010 21:22
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sounds like the red faction like all the attention, makes them feel like proper ultras

boro_olly Posted on 18/08/2010 21:25
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with songs like "she fell over" not a chance...dont get me wrong they do sing some good songs and create a good atmosphere but "she fell over" isnt one

r00fie Posted on 18/08/2010 22:47
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Last season we stood at:

Derby
Forest
Leicester
Peterborough
Ipswich
Sheffield Wednesday
Doncaster
Plymouth
Bristol City

and plenty more besides.

At all these places there was no hassel from stewards.

At Leicester last Saturday, virtually the whole away end stood up for the whole match and there was hardly a steward in sight.All this "cant stand up" is complete bollox and the club is trying to clear out the south east corner.


BTW - the lads at the back of the North Stand, stand up and bang the panelling to make more noise and the stewards dont stop that. Its selective rubbish.

lambethred Posted on 18/08/2010 23:09
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the only way to reinstate partial standing at grounds is not to have pointless running battles with club stewards which can never be won but to help launch a wider national campaign amongst all fans who wish to stand at matches. campaign for a choice and don't waste energy on battling stewards and security systems that are at present incapable of providing a choice.

mr_maz Posted on 18/08/2010 23:18
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he's doing his Job, if you were in his position you would do the same.

Would you rather stick to the safety rules and keep your job or get fired for letting the fans do whatever they want?

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 18/08/2010 23:21
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I'd get a proper job.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 18/08/2010 23:21
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Why is this pathetic excuse of "safety" still swishing about when it comes to standing in all seater stadiums?

It is NOT unsafe to stand infront of your seat.
It is NOT going to cause damage to the stadium.
It is NOT going to incite a riot.

Its about time the fans representatives actually challanged why these rules are in place. MFC claim they only enforce them because some suits from the local safety commission make them? Well somebody tell the safety fascists to change their pathetic rules to reflect REALITY.

How many injuries have we seen at the Riveriside happen from the 100s occasions that the whole away support stood for the entire game? NONE.

What aboout incidents from pockets of fans stood at the Riverside game in game out over the years? NONE.

What about the 10's of thousands who stand at every away game every week up and down the country? NONE.

Its a shambolic lie made up by the authorities about standing in all seaters. It can all be summed up by one word- CONTROL.

Sit down, shut up and give us your money.

Stop shrugging your shoulders and saying "oh well ok, if the safety comish say so then they are right".

BS. Its about time we as fans challenged the existing rules or at least attempted to, so MFC wouldnt "have" to deploy their attack dogs to enforce them.

Rules based on Reality. Not rules based on lies.

Somebody has to make a case for a cease to this ridiculous fascism. Somebody with a voice, representation.

"Voice of the fans" Rob Nicholls...im looking at you. How about you support a REAL just cause and really SPEAK for the fans about an issue that is important to them?

dodger Posted on 18/08/2010 23:36
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Humans first stood upright millions of years ago , very dangerous.

Humans have walked upright to the summit of Everest , very dangerous.

I was told by a steward that standing was dangerous and I should sit down.

Good post Berwick hills , some of the supporters of the clubs stance.. er ,point of view on this must shoite themselves at the dangers of getting out of bed in the morning and rising upright.

rob_fmttm Posted on 19/08/2010 00:10
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I've already offered to help out many times.

Easy Posted on 19/08/2010 00:11
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Well why dont you?

FaslaneRed Posted on 19/08/2010 00:25
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Get together and chin the stewards that are causing you jip [ref] Seriously though, just go to away games they're much better fun [^]

Benni_Santini Posted on 19/08/2010 00:26
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[^]BerwickHillsBopper[^]

rob_fmttm Posted on 19/08/2010 00:43
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"Why don't you"

I have.

gravyboat Posted on 19/08/2010 00:47
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*Applauds BerwickHillsBopper*

The automatic acceptance of over-zealous, restrictive regulations from the likes of onthemap - somebody who doesn't even attend home games I may add - makes me sick.

We're still waiting for a response from the rule-followers as to why other clubs don't follow THIS RULE THEY HAVE NO CHOICE IN.

Easy Posted on 19/08/2010 00:48
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You have? Well why did you write that you'd offered to help many times?

If you've already offered, tried, and obviously failed, why bother mentioning it at all?

grantus Posted on 19/08/2010 01:48
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Football is a shambolic shadow of what it could be, it is one of the biggest rip off industries in this country and the fact that so many people continue to feed it hard earned money through merchandise, tv subscriptions and pay per view, on replica shirts, unbelievable ticket prices, all for the privilege of being treated with contempt by the clubs and the authorities week in week out is crazy.

The way that 'football' takes advantage of the supporter is criminal in my opinion.

Not everywhere in the world is football sanitised, product packaged, marketed to the global audience instead of the supporter, the game is still a beautiful game (even though the way the football authorities have 'evolved' the rules over the last 15 years have done a lot to prevent that too), it's the way that it is managed that is a disgrace.

The footballing authorities, they are simply the custodians of a game that is played in all countries, by all able bodied ages, regardless of race, creed, religion, wealth and brings people together. They should remember that they do not own the game, they simply manage it for us all.

I wish that somehow the money that is pumped through the game in our country could be reduced, that the Premiership was not the most marketed league in the world, that Sky tv would XXXXXX off and somehow the game could come back down to earth and that strong bond could be reforged.

I watch South American football and wish it could be like that here, even across Europe, fans seem to be allowed to support their team in the way they want to.

The english supporter pays more than any other nation on the planet to watch his team, yet is treated in a way that is simply not done in any other place - I still struggle to get my head around it.

Flag poles? FLAG POLES?? Bloody hell, it's not the flag pole that is a weapon, it's the person that is the weapon and if he wants to cause trouble, if he wants to hurt someone he will.

What does the football supporter have to do to gain some trust that he wont kill fellow supporters, what does he have to do to be trusted?

How difficult can it be to have a standing area in each stadium, take the seats out of the north stand and let the paying public support their team the way they want to support their team.

I realise I have gone on there, but it's late......rant over.


br14 Posted on 19/08/2010 01:50
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Interesting email.

As it happens, only two lines in the entire thing are important.

"This game was being monitored by a representative of Middlesbrough Council Safety Advisory Group who expressed concern about this situation. The group does in fact have the legal power to reduce the capacity in this area if it considers it a danger."

The rest of the email is unnecessary and simply provides a smokescreen for the relevant clause.

In other words, it's nowt to do with the club, nor for that matter Mr Turnbull.

Instead it's all about the Middlesbrough Council Safety Advisory Group jobsworth(s).

As stated the club have to toe the line or have the attendance reduced.

Quite why Middlesbrough Council needs a Safety Advisory Council is another question. Perhaps it will be a victim of cuts.

Buddy Posted on 19/08/2010 07:19
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Seems that some people don't understand the way "following orders" works in society.

Personally I challenge daft rules as much as I can, but only as much as I can. In the end, if "the boss" says something despite your reasoned protestation and logical argument, it happens, and you either accept it or fk off. I've fked off from one well-paid job because of exactly that, and I'm not far from doing the same from another.

The point of this is not just to say "shut up and accept it", but to point out that you can't really level much abuse at Ron Turnbull. The rules are not wholly set by MFC, there are other agencies involved, some of whom will only see the inside of a football ground once a year from behind a clipboard. This is a legacy of five horrendous years over twenty years ago, and it's a circular argument to say "it's all much safer now" - yes, it is, but that must have a lot to do with the changes that were made by the Safety of Sports Ground Act.

Some of the rules in that Act probably haven't been reviewed since it was drafted, but there have been plenty more important things for legislators to worry about. Some of the rules are nowhere near any legislation - taking the tops off bottles of water is the most ludicrous piece of OTT safety culture imaginable. But they'll all be set by some committee somewhere, and then one guy given the job of telling everyone else. This is why these daft campaigns against people like Ron Turnbull and Sue Watson are misguided.

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 19/08/2010 07:25
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It sums modern society up.

Anyone who applies a rule or reg is a jobsworth.

I would suggest all HSE legisalation is as a result of someone getting hurt or worse killed.

In two incidents over 160 people have been killed inside British football grounds, because of inadequate HSE rules or regulation at the time.

Too many people pick and choose which rules or laws they will comply with.

Rules at Football grounds
Speeding
Use of a mobile phone whilst driving
Drug use.
Drunk and Disorderly
etc etc.

Which other offences on the statute book do YOU choose to commit?


UAUA Posted on 19/08/2010 08:05
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You will probably find that Mr Turnbull is part of that very same mysterious safety committee which is making such ridiculous rules in the first place.

keelo Posted on 19/08/2010 08:18
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I can't stand at the match cos my back is fcuked. these tw ats that stand in front of me are a bleeding nuisance!!! Where's the steward?[smi]

CornwallBORO Posted on 19/08/2010 08:26
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"I am quite sure that you are fully aware that Riverside Stadium is an all seater stadium"

The bloke who wrote this must be a primary school teache

footyteam Posted on 19/08/2010 09:45
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Some right divvies on here. Obviously never heard of health and safety. Christ I hope some you don't work near a power generator or anywhere that needs the slightest form of discipline

I particularly like the flag pole never being used as a weapon before quote.

Don't think anyone's been shot at the riverside either

The_263 Posted on 19/08/2010 10:05
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Health and Safety Nazis are a unique breed. Applying H&S to heavy industry and manufacturing (what's left of it) is fair enough but applying the same stringent policies to entertainment is surely dangerous for business. How far do they go, ear protection for exciting times during the game or when a goal is scored? Head and eye protection if you are sat in the viscinity of the goal, steel capped toed shoes in case someone stands on your foot, a flu jab - in case your neighbour attends the game whilst having flu etc etc??

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 19/08/2010 10:28
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anyone trying to defend the rule is talking complete and utter rubbish.

UAUA Posted on 19/08/2010 10:36
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"I particularly like the flag pole never being used as a weapon before quote."

Do you really actually believe that someone would go around using a flagpole as a weapon regardless of how big it is? What do you actually think they will do with it? Would it be used as a javelin? Or maybe a bar to swing round your head and hit people on the head? Like people have said, you could just as easily use your shoe. Or maybe women should not be allowed to wear heels? Perhaps keys should be taken off people in case they stab someone in the neck? You could probably do more damage with those than you could do with a flagpole.

How can some people not see the utter ridiculous nature of such "rules" and "safety measures"? Its complete bollox and we all know it.

Comparing working on a power generator to waving a big flag at a football stadium is absurd.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 19/08/2010 10:43
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Watching football will soon be like going to wimbledon. Look at the atmospheres around Europe, they absolutely take the mick out of anything over here because the fans out there have the bottle to challenge the authorities.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 19/08/2010 10:47
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rb53 your exactly right. Although am sure even tennis fans can drink in the stands [?] football very 2nd class citizen.

Old_Gregg Posted on 19/08/2010 10:52
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Moaning like little kids about the club enforcing the legal safety requirements is as ridiculous as moaning about a copper giving you a speeding ticket for doing 80 in a 70 zone - yes, another copper on another day might let you off (just like another club on another day might let you stand), but you are breaking the law and can have no complaints.

Jerry_Brown Posted on 19/08/2010 10:55
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"....very 2nd class citizen."

That's because a lot behave like them, we are paying for the the troubles caused in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

juan_kosoff Posted on 19/08/2010 23:00
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To go right back to R Turnbulls response,perfectly decent and reasonable to me,at least he had the courtesy to reply

mr_maz Posted on 19/08/2010 23:04
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it has nothing to do with what we fans think is safe. the people that be right the rules and then people like Mr Turnbulls livelihoods depend on them enforcing them.

Rather than slating him or the club right to footballs health and safety council.


juan_kosoff Posted on 19/08/2010 23:17
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spot on mr maz

I know R Turnbull, and he is a totally reasonable and top bloke

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 19/08/2010 23:20
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Shame he chose a crap career.

juan_kosoff Posted on 19/08/2010 23:28
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he worked for a long time in another job before he did this, shame you dont know your arse from your elbow [:X]

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 19/08/2010 23:30
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He was a copper yea [V]

Texas_Pete Posted on 19/08/2010 23:31
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Serious question. Does anyone have any idea why we cant have a bottle top on a bottle of coke / water [?]

I can only assume that it might be fairly heavy to throw when full???

its more likely to cause a slip hazard when some kid spills the drink from not having a lid if were playing 'spot the hidden danger game'


sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 19/08/2010 23:35
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Everyone in the north stand should take iff their shoes and hoy them at the keeper at the weekend, see if they ban shoes [:D]

juan_kosoff Posted on 19/08/2010 23:35
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I dont think what he did before has any relevance,but you make judgements without knowing the facts. Stop being a scrote and im sure we can all get along[^]

gravyboat Posted on 19/08/2010 23:46
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The question is simply this: Is the clubs stewarding policy over-zealous and restrictive in comparison with other clubs?

Fans experiences, along with anecdotal evidence suggest it might be.

Lots of us have been away from home and seen large sections of home fans being left alone whilst behaving in a manner that would see them in trouble at the Riverside. Standing, banners, large flags; it goes on. Also as has been pointed out, Newcastle and Man Utd have had their allocation cut due to persistent standing at our place. I don't think I've ever been to Sunderland at the SOL and not stood through the entirety of the match. Have Boro ever had their allocation reduced at Sunderland as a result? Not that I can remember.

So, why the discrepancies? If the club is simply adhering to directives issued by local HSE bodies, why isn't somebody questioning the merits of what amounts to a zero-tolerance policy?

The Riverside is clinically dead. It is sinking in a mire of drudgery and apathy. The club needs these fans. Why isn't it trying to help them?

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 19/08/2010 23:54
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The thing is if I'm not allowed to act like a drunken fanny at the football I shall be acting like a drunken fanny elsewhere instead. The whiole entire point of football is you can act like a fanny for 90 minutes.

oooooo Posted on 20/08/2010 00:02
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It's "jobsworth" things like this that mean we never ever have things like stampedes or nightclub fires in our country.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 20/08/2010 00:07
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No it isn't. It's why we don't have flags in footbAll grounds.

PNGfulham Posted on 20/08/2010 00:11
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y wud anyone go to middlesborough

Vzzzbx Posted on 20/08/2010 08:16
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I think if the red faction hadn't plonked themselves in a block right next to the away fans and didnt come across as so aggressive, then they wouldn't have half of the 'Trouble' they seem to be having.

These areas always have a higher amount of stewards than other areas of the ground and the rules are always going to be applied more strictly here as its the most likely place to kick off.

On the occasions where the away crowd do take up most of their capacity and there has been some b3ll 3nd goading the home fans they have been dealt with in exactly the same way (if not harsher).

Does the 12th man section in the north stand have as much grief? i bet they dont.

MarlonD Posted on 20/08/2010 08:23
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I've witnessed stewards in the SW upper removing teenagers who were stood up on the back row in the past.

They are like Gestapo spotters who send in snatch squads. Pathetic.

Jerry_Brown Posted on 20/08/2010 08:31
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Man U have had their allocation cut at the SoL in the past.

juninhosdivingheader Posted on 20/08/2010 08:43
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Ron Turnbull is a very good guy from when I've spoke to him.

Not sure I can say that about all Red Faction people.

Why don't they concentrate on improving the atmosphere, which they are very good at, instead of wanting confrontation?

5of12in1908 Posted on 20/08/2010 08:56
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West Ham, Man U have both had their allocations cut and looks like they will this season.

Many parts of the ground got a letter just before the season stating the "intent" of the club to clamp down on standing.

And the game against Birmingham they did just that. Looks like it seems to be the agenda for all the clubs this season.

fatharrywhite Posted on 20/08/2010 09:15
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"Serious question. Does anyone have any idea why we cant have a bottle top on a bottle of coke "

no idea but it's like that at other venues as well, been to see REM twice at lancashire cricket club and both times they took the tops off

B-MAN Posted on 20/08/2010 09:17
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its to stop people hurting anyone if they are thrown.

5of12in1908 Posted on 20/08/2010 09:20
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Stops you urinating in it and throwing it.


I just used to take a lid in with me and give it to the boy.

r00fie Posted on 20/08/2010 09:22
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But its alright to take coins in your pocket or wallet, which can be skimmed at people and cause lascerations to faces and damage eyes. A key can cause damage including rapid blood loss and is a good tool for stabbing people.A pen shoved in someones eye is pretty painfull. A newspaper rolled tightly is as affective as a flagpole........lets not get carried away by the idea that all this plastic bottle top crap has anything to do with health and safety.Theres plenty of everyday things that can be used to inflict damage if people have the intention.........lets hope they dont.

Perhaps thats a call for body scans and body-searching football fans before they enter the ground?

5of12in1908 Posted on 20/08/2010 09:25
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[:D]

r00fie.....I feel your pain brother!

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 20/08/2010 09:29
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I can kill a man with just my little finger and a paperclip.

munich_mike Posted on 20/08/2010 11:14
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Aye an interesting discussion, and one that won't be resolved by talking with Mr Turnbull...but some good ideas on here how it might be done, although at the (governmental)level that safety restrictions can actually be changed(and here read relaxed), I don't believe we will see somebody stand up (sorry for the pun) and say it, as he/she would then be held as the responsible when next any incident happened regarding this fact...very politically damaging, and a risk these people are not likley to want to take....especially just so you can stand at a match. If we can think of a more pressing reason, that the club(s) could take to the said authorities, that may give pressure to actually be the one to present a bill to change this...then I'm all for it.
So, how the present the argument? and just to add a modicum of common sense to all of this, I went to the Bayern vs Real Madrid match the other day [:D]....Alliance Arena, in the standing area behind the south stand goal! great atmos, and backs all the arguments for such an area. But, more interestingly for 'our' purpose, they also had an area which was a 'stand anywhere you like' block, but which was fully seated? confusing at first, but a great idea, it needed minimal stewarding requirements (money argument?), no-one can complain if you stand, but you can sit before the game and at half time, and would be a sort of half way house to what we have at the moment, and the true all terraced area. It worked, and had a great atmos too. It would be something to take to these people as an example, and with its long record of no safety issues, and something they can physically see if they wanted (with clipboard in hand), it would have much more of an impact than anything we could say. Aim for his first, and then go for next step of ripping the seats out and having the terrace back (again with the example to be seen here in germany)...in a stadium that hosted the world cup games 4 years ago...couldn't really argue against that could they!!

Might work a bit better than shouting abuse at our jobsworth stewards (stand up, if you love Boro, stand up....[:P])

Harry_x Posted on 20/08/2010 11:57
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I forget how long it was exactly since that moves were made to make it all seater standing in the top two divsions, presumably post Hillsborough so thats the best part of twenty years.

In those days the biggest problems with standing areas was overcrowding. Pay on the turnstile with the clubs having no real idea how many people were in the ground.

Twenty years on you need a ticket to gain entry through hi-tec turnstiles and grounds are far better equipped to segregate and control the number of people getting into any particular part of the ground.

It's time that the no standing regulations should be reviewed and reassessed. Football has moved on from the 80's and 90's. It also doesn't need and trials and testing, just look at the Bundesliga, week in week out there is standing at the grounds with no problems.

The Riverside is dying on it's arse. Times have changed, football spectating in this country needs to change as well. The current health and safety culture is far too restrictive. Everything you do in life involves some form of risk you can't avoid this but you make your own risk assessments and decide if you want to go with what your doing or not.

Standing at football, how risky is it really. Are we all going to die if we stand ? Are we all going to break limbs ? Is anyone going to break a limb each game? Is any ever going to break a limb standing at a game? Well possibly but it's just as likely they could break a limb walking up the stairs to their seat.

In controlled circumstances, standing at a modern football stadium is not a risk.

Time to change.

sasboro1 Posted on 20/08/2010 12:00
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i have been going to watch the boro since 82/83 season,st holder at riverside and the way mfc are going they will not be getting my hard earned cash next year,lets see how the following matches pan out though first, could of just been ott 1st match of the season syndrome by mfc.

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