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Genghis_Khan Posted on 26/07/2010 22:52
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Pretty poor stance... considering the age of many of their members.[V]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 26/07/2010 23:39
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Eh?

smoggybloke80 Posted on 26/07/2010 23:44
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

i was pretty thrown by there stance on this. why would they be against mfc making any minimal profit because of sky sports?

Genghis_Khan Posted on 26/07/2010 23:45
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

This is from one of their ring leaders...

Sent to all members and people who take an interest. I'm sure the club are savvy enough to be able to see it too.


Firstly, we have had a productive couple of outings over pre season, and I feel we have created a positive buzz around the group, as well as keeping in good practice.

Can I just say on behalf of Red Faction, a big thankyou to all who have got involved over the summer and kept the ball rolling. There has been good enthusiasm, and I am very impressed with the efforts from some of the newer/younger members. It hasn't gone unnoticed.

Only problem being in the last couple of outings is the replica shirts and individuals not standing, sitting down in the middle of our section. This looks bad on the group and sends out a mixed, and confused image/message. I know these seem like minor things but they are basic fundamental symbols of what we are against. Other things include racist or any type of discriminating chanting, which is against RF belief, as well as members speaking on behalf of Red Faction who do not have the authority to do so.

We now have a couple weeks until kick off against Ipswich, and the start of a season that is so vital for the club, and our group.

I just want to make sure that not only the new members we are going to attract this season, but also the members who are currently active at the Riverside and at away matches, who I hope are proud to be a part of and represent this group, know and fully understand what Red Faction stands for, so we are all reading from the same page, and pulling in the same direction.

Please be aware of the groups ambitions and ideals, and uphold these beliefs as members of Red Faction. The 'core' members have put in a huge amount of work over the last two years ,to lay solid foundations for the group to build on.

Red Faction aim to bring back fan power to Middlesbrough Football Club, we have too long been shackled by rules and regulations that have been introduced over the years since the introduction of all seater stadiums, along with sky sports and the corporate media that see football fans as merely customers. They want us to spend, spend, spend and consume as much as possible while sitting quietly in our seat and causing as little 'trouble' to them as possible. Say NO to 'Modern Football', We are going to support OUR team how WE want to support them, not how they want us to.

This whole plastic sense of football support is bullXXXXXX, replica football kits, coloured wigs, foam hands etc, is all the typical cheap sell out crap, that the club want you to buy into. Now this is fine for the younger kids etc, if that is the way you want to experience football, but that is not going to be with Red faction. That isnt (for Red Faction) what supporting our team is about, It's about being proud and passionate about the place we live, the place we were born, and supporting the Boro, the flagship of our town, no matter what! Making the Riverside a couldren of positive tribal energy for our players, as well as a hostile place for visiting teams and fans alike.

If we are going to evolve, and push the group forward, we must ALL understand these beliefs, and uphold the ideals of the group. We are not a Hooligan firm, and anyone who thinks we are have a totally wide of the mark, naive misconception of the group. We are a group that is structured around unity, to fight for what we believe in, to make a stand against sterile, soulless modern football, brought about partly by sky sports (among others) who are ruining our game. Ultra Spirit will never die.

MENTALITY

mattyk50 Posted on 26/07/2010 23:48
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"This whole plastic sense of football support is bullXXXXXX, replica football kits, coloured wigs, foam hands etc, is all the typical cheap sell out crap, that the club want you to buy into"


the foam hands were free [^]

boroste Posted on 26/07/2010 23:50
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

XXXXXXX

smoggybloke80 Posted on 26/07/2010 23:50
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

so what exactly is wrong with wearing a boro shirt? i've sat in block 53 for the past 5 years and had previously enjoyed the red factions influence

ClaireSmith Posted on 26/07/2010 23:51
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

"Ultra Spirit will never die".

And gives you 48 hour dryness which gives you the confidence to go horse riding and skiing, all in a discrete handbag sized packet ?

EmnesDread Posted on 26/07/2010 23:53
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

That is complete and utter b0ll0ck5 genghis!

The letter uou are referring to is an announcement to all RF members regarding our stance on replica shirts, and how us core members are against them. No where in the message at all did it say anything of the sort, that lads shouldnt buy them.

To clear this up, members can wear what they want to the match, that is their right. We are simply telling new members the mentality of Red Faction, and our ideals and beliefs, so they are in the know. It is completely up to the individual.

You are circulating incorrect, misleading and negative information about us, but then were used to this type of thing![V]

Timboi Posted on 26/07/2010 23:53
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Do you also have to be blonde-haired and blue-eyed?

swordtrombonefish Posted on 26/07/2010 23:55
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Reads like a memorandum from "The Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club"

ClaireSmith Posted on 26/07/2010 23:55
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Have you been contacted several times over the last few days to go to your GP's for a cervical examination ?

If so, it could be part of a smear campaign.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 26/07/2010 23:57
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i agree with what was said,how many people in the holgate actually stood there with a replica shirt on?? not many if any that i can think of and i was going in the holgate from 1983,the wigs foam hands etc have run their course,football has gone to far over the mark and is getting more americanised every year! they will be selling soda and hotdogs at your seat next!! not for me that! bring back proper football(with standing areas) for the fans.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 26/07/2010 23:58
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

"they will be selling soda and hotdogs at your seat next"

If they are edible and not cremated ala the burgers it might generate some income.

ClaireSmith Posted on 26/07/2010 23:59
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Good point. You don't want these new fangled hot-dogs rearing their ugly heads.

What were you eating on The Holgate in 1983 ? Coal ?

newyddion Posted on 26/07/2010 23:59
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

The Ultra Spirit?


Link: FORZA BORO FFS

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 27/07/2010 00:00
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

each to their own, but thats not football how i used to know it, and i enjoyed it so much better in the 80's. would love the passion to come back.

smoggybloke80 Posted on 27/07/2010 00:01
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

i am completely for the red faction but why take any stance for or against mfc making a profit on replica shirts? at the end of the day th club therefore our team benifit so whats rhe issue

EmnesDread Posted on 27/07/2010 00:01
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

TO CLEAR THIS UP, members can wear what they want to the match, that is their right. We are simply informing new members of the mentality and stance Red Faction holds, and our ideals and beliefs so they are in the know. It is completely up to the individual. RF


Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 00:01
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Emnes... most members of your group... are are young and easily influence by the elder fans who they look up to...i.e senior members of RF.

They wish to be part of the group... thus they'll be expected even if not enforced to abide by the groups stance. It's not a prerequisite for your opinions to be enforced, suggestion is enough for vulnerable youngsters.

Sounds to me like you're trying to clad them out as a Burberry squad.

ClaireSmith Posted on 27/07/2010 00:02
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Is this not more to do with your love life and less to do with eating a hot-dog 27 years ago ?

Go on, tell Auntie Claire...

EmnesDread Posted on 27/07/2010 00:04
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Genghis, have a word mate FFS!

We are simply informing new members of what they are joining. That is our stance, we are not the same as other generic supporters groups, hence the f00kin hard time we get off you lot.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 27/07/2010 00:04
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claire my love life back then was great, been with my wife now for 10 years so dont have a love life no more [:D] [^]

ClaireSmith Posted on 27/07/2010 00:06
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

I know you can't breach the Data Protection Act, but is there anyone in your organisation called Fred Action by any chance ?

smoggybloke80 Posted on 27/07/2010 00:07
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

if members can wear what they want then why is there a need to state what is preferential to theRF? if anything is acceptable then why state anything eitherway???

12_Afonso Posted on 27/07/2010 00:08
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Genghis, you're absolutely spot on imo.

If a younger/less involved member of the group shows up in a shirt, whats to stop another member going all Hitler on his ass and having a go.

Im all for what youre trying to do, the replica shirts part being left out would have caused no harm to your group/cause.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 00:10
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Emnes stop reacting like a chav... if you're speaking on behalf of the RF then stop swearing. I've stood with the Rf many times and with the exception of the drum which was a terrible idea... I support what they do. I've praise them many times on here... I don't support suggesting to teenagers that wearing replica shirts is not cool.

Attaching a stigma to a boro shirt in a boro ground is senseless. The stadium used to look fantastic at the start of the season in the sun when most of the crowd wore the shirt with pride.

Being too cool for school seems an odd stance to take for a group that is about putting passion back into the ground.

ClaireSmith Posted on 27/07/2010 00:11
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What if, say, I had been in a terrible chip pan fire and was badly burnt. I spent months is hospital having plastic surgery and in order to gain some semblance of normality the doctor gave me a coloured wig and state of the art foam hands.

Could I still join ?

12_Afonso Posted on 27/07/2010 00:11
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"Attaching a stigma to a boro shirt in a boro ground is senseless. The stadium used to look fantastic at the start of the season in the sun when most of the crowd wore the shirt with pride."

My point, articulated ten times better.

Rofl_Tb_XX Posted on 27/07/2010 00:11
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

I think that's fair enough tbf[^]

I don't mind kids wearing replica shirts but grown men should know better.

EmnesDread Posted on 27/07/2010 00:11
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Smoggybloke, In simple terms the letter is purely informational; and in no way does it state fans cant wear replica shirts, we do not have the right to tell fans what they wear, that is down to there own decision. The statement was informing members of Red Factions stance, so they are in the know, simple.

12_Afonso Posted on 27/07/2010 00:12
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Emnes, it may not be meant to mean that, but it comes across like that.

ClaireSmith Posted on 27/07/2010 00:13
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

What if I wore my own pullover but replica MFC shorts.

Could I join then ?

smoggybloke80 Posted on 27/07/2010 00:14
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then what is to be gainend in the benifit of mfc by the rf's stance?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 27/07/2010 00:15
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Buying the shirt to wear at the match is a dummies game. They're scruffy as XXXXXX and the club take your eyes out. Design and wear your own gear, tie-dye t shirts, home made scarves, rosettes, flags, banners etc.

Keep up the good work lads, take little notice of the fat lad knocking you.






EmnesDread Posted on 27/07/2010 00:15
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Point taken[^]

Rofl_Tb_XX Posted on 27/07/2010 00:15
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Oh and I would stop denying they're a "hooligan firm" if I was them as they are actually beginning to sound like a hooligan firm.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 00:17
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Don't worry about Corgaigh... he's a bitter paddy who hates the English, he'll change his opinion on any scenario simply to disagree with certain people. Spineless that bloke.

EmnesDread Posted on 27/07/2010 00:20
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The benefit of having Red Faction is having passionate Boro fans working tirelessly to inject colour, movement and a wall of of noise at every game home and away cheering the team on no matter what, and in benefit to football in general to fight against the soulless, over ruled, money fuelled modern game that is ruining it.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 27/07/2010 00:23
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Keep it up Genghis [^]

You old queen.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 27/07/2010 00:25
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Emnes, keep it going. Could be a good season coming up [^]

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 00:27
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I think we all agree the games gone the wrong way but cutting out clubs revenue stream wont stop Citeh spending £100m of our Petrol money.. and will lead us down the dark path we hope we'll never tread again.

Your stance is more likely to fragment your group if you want a unified look so you're a visible presence make it supplementary to the kit the Man Utd scarf campaign worked well.

I used to watch Dinamo (Zagreb) play and their ultras... the Bad Blue Boys... all wore the kit or at least the colour.

I can assure you they were anything but plastic fans waving foam hands.

petedreadnought Posted on 27/07/2010 00:28
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Keep it up Genghis [^]

You old queen.
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He's making himself look an absolute tit here like.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 27/07/2010 00:29
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I agree with Genghis on this one, wear the colour, make up your own design.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 00:31
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Wow it took Peter Holgate Hero dreadnaught longer than usual to find one of my posts and disagree with it. Obsessive weirdo[rle] Must have been busy offering sweets in the local park in New Zealand.

petedreadnought Posted on 27/07/2010 00:32
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Chomp.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 00:33
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Is that the name of your puppy you show them?[:D][:X] Night Night Kevin.

petedreadnought Posted on 27/07/2010 00:33
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Double chomp!

comejoiners Posted on 27/07/2010 00:34
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What a load of bolloxxs
i think it is great to see kids wearing boro shirts
it makes a change from kids all over town wearing man u, liverpool and chelsea tops
i hope all the local kids wear there boro tops with pride you knob jockey

Nuge_MSS Posted on 27/07/2010 00:34
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

This is a major balls-up from RF. Almost as bad the letter from the club asking for fans to sit down.

"Only problem being in the last couple of outings is the replica shirts..!"

PROBLEM! What a terrible PROBLEM! Fans wearing a shirt with pride, bringing the colour that you claim to desire!

You should consider printing a retraction... and then have a word with yourselves.

Rofl_Tb_XX Posted on 27/07/2010 00:39
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It's a complete contradiction saying they want the freedom to support the club in whatever way they desire... then go on to tell people to stand up and not wear the replica kit. What if you want to sit down? What if you want to wear the replica kit? Surely the Red Faction would be stopping people from supporting the club in the way they want to.

It's complete ballocks even though I do agree with the principal of not wearing a replica kit.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 27/07/2010 00:43
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its not a contrdiction though is it? they have a idea of what they want to do and after all it is their group they started it and are simply letting you know what them ideas are,if your like minded then join them.

Rofl_Tb_XX Posted on 27/07/2010 00:45
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Just like minded folk who want to support the club in whatever way they want... so long as they do what the Red Faction hierarchy say. Yep not a contradiction.

we_hate_mackems1 Posted on 27/07/2010 00:49
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tbh i couldn't give a to55 what they wear. all i want is a winning side and a loud riverside. so they can do it over there and we can in north with the group doing it there.
way too much bickering on this site over XXXXXX all.

Boromart Posted on 27/07/2010 00:55
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although I like Red Factions actions on a amatchday, and I agree that football has been over-sanitized, I fail to how football shirts are related to this modern plastic era.

There were loadsa kids in the 70s and 80s with replica shirts on, it predates the Sky/Premier League ruination of the game by 20 years to be honest.

Rofl_Tb_XX Posted on 27/07/2010 00:58
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I can't help but suspect BoroMart that the reason they are against replica kits is simply that they want to be taken seriously. I don't think it has anything to do with rebelling against the plastic era.

I like the idea of the Red Faction, I think they have done a lot of positive things so far.. but come on, this is ballocks and flawed in so many ways. Stop embarrassing yourselves lads and scrap it.

Powlay Posted on 27/07/2010 01:04
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So RF members can wear what they want to a match?

"This whole plastic sense of football support is bullXXXXXX, replica football kits, coloured wigs, foam hands etc, is all the typical cheap sell out crap, that the club want you to buy into. Now this is fine for the younger kids etc, if that is the way you want to experience football, but that is not going to be with Red faction."

Pretty sure the last line says they cant?

Im kinda utterly stunned as to why anyone would not put any thought into a open letter regarding the group they support.

bororeddaz Posted on 27/07/2010 06:09
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Is it just me or is there a touch of Wolfie Smith about RF at times?

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:00
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Its got nothing to do with not buying them. As a group the RF have a very stong stance against the modern football concept of which Replica shirts sold at 500% profit are one of them.

Wear Colours, the Boro Colours of red and white, not the corporate sandwich boards that the club churn out.

We would ask that if people associate with the group that they respect our stand point and dont wear them.

Buy all the merch you want, but if you actually share the mentality behind the Red Faction and want to be part of what we are standing against then you would respect our stance.

Its like turning up to a Vegatarian Society meeting eating a Big Mac.


slipshod Posted on 27/07/2010 09:08
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Who cares what beliefs they have as long as they continue to support the team 100%, some boro fans on here as just looking for a stick to beat them with.

toxic_bob Posted on 27/07/2010 09:12
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Seems like just another stick to beat these folks with. If they don't want to buy replica shirts then what's the problem? Presumably there's no compulsion to 'join'?

Boromart Posted on 27/07/2010 09:16
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"Its got nothing to do with not buying them. As a group the RF have a very stong stance against the modern football concept of which Replica shirts sold at 500% profit are one of them. "

In REAL terms shirts are cheaper to the consumer than they were in the 70s and 80s. That is a fact regardless how much money adidas and nike make out of the deals.

Fighting against ALL aspects of commercialism waters the argument down, pick and choose your fights and you will get a wider support.

I would suspect 80% of fans agree that sky has ruined the game......I would also suspect no more than 10% of fans think shirt sales have anything to do with it.

The anti-shirt policy will never win. We have known that kids in China work 14 hours a day making these things and only earn $4 doing it. That hasn't turned us off replica sporting goods so the plastic football argument wont either.

Muttley Posted on 27/07/2010 09:24
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Mr. Kahn will no doubt be informing us shortly of his own much better ultra fan group with regular contributions from former Boro stars and full colour and everything?

Deliberate obfuscation on his part. It's simply a statement of values on behalf of Red Faction. They don't wear replica shirts. That's all, no instruction to kids not to buy them, a simple statement. "We don't wear them".

Neither do I, but I'm not a member of RF. Can someone do a Venn diagram to illustrate this?

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 09:25
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what a riduculous proposition. Own goal from RF. You say you want to support the team? How is cutting off a source of income to the club supporting your team?

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:26
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Also not wearing a replica shirt doesnt mean we dont wear the colours of our team or that we are by default casuals.

I havent seen many casuals wearing a CND shirt like I was on saturday.


captain5 Posted on 27/07/2010 09:26
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

Why don't you tell fans to boycott those companies who sponsor the club??


Holgatewall Posted on 27/07/2010 09:27
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I think this thread shows a lot of what is wrong with football today.

A section of fans more concerned with image than actually wanting to support the team.

What does it matter if the person next to you is wearing a Replica shirt as long as they have turned up to watch the Boro?

Why Can't you just go to a game to enjoy it instad of having to make some sort of statement?

Load of XXXXXX[:(!]

bororeddaz Posted on 27/07/2010 09:27
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I didn't have a replica shirt as a young kid in the 70s because my parents couldn't afford to buy me one.
Alright to go to the match in a £55 Lyle and Scott polo but don't feed the greedy game?
Double standards and as I said very Wolfie Smith

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 09:27
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[:D] Cap

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:28
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We have a strong stance as a group of people, not everyone will agree with us thats fine we support sensible debate.

However, again no one is saying stop buying them. Just if you consider yourself involved in the group then we would hope you respected the stance the group was founded on and respect our views.

We cant tell people not to wear them, and wont be hassleing people who do.

[^]

captain5 Posted on 27/07/2010 09:29
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'The stance the group was founded on'

[:D]

SmogOnTheTrent Posted on 27/07/2010 09:29
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I'm with the RF on this 100%. It's their supporters group and they can do as they please.

They have made a massive impact on the ground already and i'm certain they'll see an increase in their numbers next season.

I agree with them that replica shirts are a sign of the "plastic" supporter and player mega money culture that has been eating the soul of football in this country.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 09:30
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Muttley even for a ra ra like yourself it should be extremely obvious that if wearing a club shirt is against their beliefs then their members will be less inclined to purchase the said garment.

There's far too many on here with no beliefs other than a desire to take a contrary line against certain people. Have your own opinions you spineless chunt.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:32
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Sting really does have some inaudible lyrics, parts of 'Fields of Gold' are ridiculous.

But yeah, thanks to those who support us and thanks to those who feel they should offer critical analysis of what we chose to do with our group.

captain5 Posted on 27/07/2010 09:35
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No problem, didn't realise that it was so exclusive, now.

myboro Posted on 27/07/2010 09:36
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I agree it shows what is wrong but disagree with what it is.

The fans are "Cash Cows" to the modern game and it seems the RF are against this.

Good on them and if you disagree don't join RF, its very simple. The problem is some fans have so "bought" into the modern game they attack people for "cutting off revenue streams"

If your bothered about revenue streams then the club really has done a good job on you. If you believe you need to support them in financial terms. Well done your a modern plastic fan.

The RF has a clear stance and I don't see the issue to be honest, but you all seem to be doing the clubs marketing for them.


fatharrywhite Posted on 27/07/2010 09:36
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"However, again no one is saying stop buying them. Just if you consider yourself involved in the group...."

rough translation, 'if you buy one we'll tell you to sod off'

Forget about wolfie and power to the people, this smacks more of the people's front of judea.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:38
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Its got nothing to do with being exclusive, we have always stated from the outset that we were a core group and that we as a group would have the power to decide what we do when we do it.

The referendum style operation that other groups at the club operate works for them as they are an all inclusive group with no formal structure.

The RF have always taken a radical stance from the start, whether you agree with us or not was not an issue we act for our group and supporters who share our ideals not for the wider fan base.

Also I have never owned any Lyle and Scott stuff. [:D]

Muttley Posted on 27/07/2010 09:38
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"if wearing a club shirt is against their beliefs then their members will be less inclined to purchase the said garment."

And how does them not wearing replica shirts equate to "telling kids not to buy replica shirts"? Only in your mind, Gengy.

Do you understand the difference between an instruction and a statement of values? I'm not sure I can explain it any better but I'll just give up now if it's going over your head.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:40
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

My point exactly, people are aware of our values and beliefs as a group. We are simply reinforcing them.

New Peoples Popular Judean Front

MightyDuck Posted on 27/07/2010 09:40
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it seems that the red faction is some blokes without a real life and wanting to tell kids what to do at the match (like on hooligan films). lets be honest, you're a group of people who want to cause problems for the club and have some nostalgic memories of 70's football. lets all really remember what it was like standing in the north east corner of ayresome with 30 other people. it was sh1t.

also, when was the last time you seen a foam hand at a football match? im sure it was when 'Gladiators' was first on TV.

Grow up.

Manfriday Posted on 27/07/2010 09:43
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If you join red faction, do they send the boys around your house to make sure you dont have sky installed? Quick love, hide all the boro merchandise and take off them foam hands

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 09:43
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"If you believe you need to support them in financial terms. Well done your a modern plastic fan.
"

excellent, you couldn't make this stuff up. Just for your misguided self the traditional english supporter was here before the "ultra" so if anything, you are the modern plastic fan.

OMallezo Posted on 27/07/2010 09:43
Red Faction telling kids not to buy replica shirts

I like a lot of what RF are trying to do at Boro, buuuut to chastise grown men for wearing a replica shirt is just stupid to the extreme - this is a very obvious way of supporting our team in this day and age (it's not the 80's anymore get over it) and I thought that was RFs intention, what can be better for a player to run out to see a ground full of red shirt wearing fans? Or should we all be wearing Baseball caps with scarfs around our faces (like the RF promotional vids - which regardless of intention make you look like a right bunch of hoolies).

*sigh*

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 09:44
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It's really simple stuff this Muttley your argument is nonsensical. You can agree with their stance or disagree with it is I do, but you're denying what has been said in some childish point scoring exercise, perhaps because your views on football are always ridiculed.

When referring to 'kids'... nobody is talking about 5 year olds... but their members are kids to most of us... 13,14,15,16...kids. Telling them shirts are not welcome will socially ostracize anybody within their ranks who wear them.

There are two main places people wear kits... at the game and when playing football, if they take away 1 of the two... then naturally sales will fall within that group.

It's really quite simple. Stick to defending Aliturd, Jones etc[^]

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:44
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Your right, I should grow up.

I should be happy that money and big business mentality has destroyed the game I love and made it impossible for the side i support to challenge on a level playing field.

I should be happy that Iam expected to pay some of the most expensive prices in Europe to be treated like crap by police and stewards.

I should just grow up [^]

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 09:45
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Do any of the RF core members have digital/sky installed in their house?

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:46
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Of course not, we live in a communal squat over the border.

bororeddaz Posted on 27/07/2010 09:47
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Anyway RF guys. May I offer to you 200 of the following 'anti replica' shirts for the new season.
£15 each


Link: non profit of course

Muttley Posted on 27/07/2010 09:47
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Just as I thought, out of your depth again Gengy.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:48
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To be fair, fans attempting to ridicule other fans on this forum is nothing new.

Long may it continue.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 27/07/2010 09:48
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So you can't pay over the odds for shirts but you will for match tickets?

Load of XXXXXXe, just make loads of noise in the ground and it's job done. Without sky we would have very little in the terms of good memories from the last 15 years.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:49
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can we get this to a ton? [^]


www.redfaction.co.uk

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 09:49
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King Richard we agree with that but how does not buying replica shirts... something that happened 'long' before it became plastic stop that? How will that stop Citeh playing Robinhio £200k + a week? It doesn't... seems like you want an army of adoring followers.

Football hoolies that don't throw a punch.

Surely your group should be about the views of its members rather than dictating to them how to enjoy the game.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 27/07/2010 09:50
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This thread is getting boring now. RF cleared up their stance posting this:

"The letter uou are referring to is an announcement to all RF members regarding our stance on replica shirts, and how us core members are against them. No where in the message at all did it say anything of the sort, that lads shouldnt buy them.

To clear this up, members can wear what they want to the match, that is their right. We are simply telling new members the mentality of Red Faction, and our ideals and beliefs, so they are in the know. It is completely up to the individual."

It seems that the same old posters are using this to beat the RF... Come on Ghengis, give it a rest eh? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!

Piggy Posted on 27/07/2010 09:51
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It's all very Secret Seven. They'll be writing song lyrics in lemon juice next.

But it's their gang and if they want to have some rules fair enough.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:51
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No one says dont buy or wear them.

Just that if you wish to be part of our group and stand with us on matchdays that we would rather people didnt wear them.

The RF has members and then people who join us on a match day. We are not dictating to the members as this statement is the opinion of the members of the RF.

We are simply making our feelings known on what has began to be an issue in recent times.

Simple.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 09:52
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Muttley - ad hominem.

Your inability to make any points directly related to the issue say it all. You're utterly clueless... you're not really a football fan just somebody who enjoys it whilst its fashionable. You are the tartan blanket wearing West Stand upper fan they detest but your lack of pride in your views means you'll take any counter stance.

gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 09:52
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What myboro said.

It's an awkward position the RF have put themselves in, because, as captain has alluded to, it can easily be seen as them saying, 'our way our the highway' which seems a bit precious.

On the othe hand though, as myboro says, the instant reaction of 'why would you want to stop people putting money into the club?' is depressingly predictable.

Replica shirts simply are over-priced tat, and another piece of 'merchandise' designed to extract as much money as possible from the fans.

Whoever said further up that fans aren't interested in making a stand against replica shirts should note that there is another investigation by fans groups currently underway as to why, despite 10 years after Premierleague clubs agreed to only produce new shirts every 2 years, most still produce one every year. Infact, last season 18 clubs in the top flight released a new shirt, this season, all 20 are. Spurs have released 3 new shirts every season for the last 6 years.

The RF may have failed to put their stance across very well, but for me, the stance itself is to be commended. If you really want to be part of what they stand for - a different mindset to the average 21st century fan - then don't blindly buy into the ethos that you have to spunk 40 quid on a replica shirt to show your allegiance.


OMallezo Posted on 27/07/2010 09:53
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I've been a boro season ticket holder since 1995 (I was 13) and have never, ever been treated like crap by a steward or a policeman - perhaps its the company you keep or your behaviour you display which leads to their close attention?

This is modern football, the police are there to protect the majority of fans from idiot few - like it or lump it.

If your so bothered about the commercialisation of football by all means f_uk off and support a non-league team - it seems better suited to your ideals.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:53
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End of thread

Myboro nails it bang on

"If you really want to be part of what they stand for - a different mindset to the average 21st century fan - then don't blindly buy into the ethos that you have to spunk 40 quid on a replica shirt to show your allegiance."

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 09:54
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"It seems that the same old posters are using this to beat the RF... Come on Ghengis, give it a rest eh? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!"

More drivel... I've posted in support of the RF many times. In fact this is only the second time (from memory) I've been critical of Rf. The first time was that god awful drum.

You're also denying what has been said. Rf seem to be backtracking on their actual views because they realise it was a mistake and will make them unpopular with the club.

Manfriday Posted on 27/07/2010 09:54
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Some of you 'yoofs' probably wernt around pre-sky when football in this country was on the bones of its arse. Not that sky havnt ruined part of football but clubs are more to blame by paying way over the odds on players and wages

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:55
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Its depressing that due to the fact the RF are willing to stand up for ourselves and challenge what we see is wrong with the game that we are told to fucl< off and support another team.

Gengish, we are already unpopular with the club and arent afraid of upsetting them if we belive thats what we have to do. We have done it before.

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 09:57
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"We have a strong stance as a group of people"

"Do the core members of RF have digital/sky installed in their house?"

"Of course not, we live in a communal squat over the border."

Not really that strong or radical a stance then?

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 09:59
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what are you talking about?

How am I to know what people do in their own homes?

Your just looking for an excuse to be right here mat_evans.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 09:59
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King Richard... somebody agreeing with you does not make it end of thread. At least as many disagree.

You appear unwilling to accept or justify your stance will hurt the club who have finally shown some ambition again.

The crux of the disagreement is simple. This is really the most important and in essence only issue.

My belief is that if you tell an impressionable KID wanting to be part of a fan movement that wearing a replica shirt is not cool, he is far less likely to wear one and by proxy purchase one. You seem to be justifying your stance by saying they'll buy it but not wear it. It's simply not logical.

Our ground is dull and quiet enough as it is... removing the colour from the stands won't enhance that.

intheblood Posted on 27/07/2010 09:59
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They are stifling the flow of money into the club,then they,ll be kicking up ,cos the great man won,t spend.
Time to DRUM this crap out.

flyermetothemoon Posted on 27/07/2010 09:59
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R F [^]

The ra ra's do not like people who do not always follow the party line.


fatharrywhite Posted on 27/07/2010 10:00
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To be perfectly honest, i wouldnt think the club will be that bothered at losing out on 100 shirt sales.

I admire your stance against all things modern in football clubs but you seem to be under the illusion that the RF will slowly mutate around the rest of the stadium when in reality in 20 years time you'll still be in your little group in the south east corner

gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 10:00
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'what can be better for a player to run out to see a ground full of red shirt wearing fans?'

Good god, how depressing is that statement?

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 10:02
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"Gengish, we are already unpopular with the club and arent afraid of upsetting them if we belive thats what we have to do. We have done it before."

Well I criticise Rob for doing whatever the club tell him so I can only commend you for daring to stand up to them, but surely you should pick your fights more wisely and constructively. Taking it to boro is not taking it to football. Standing up constantly will not bring back terracing. Not buying shirts will not get rid of Murdoch and parasite footballers.

Fighting for the sake of fighting leads to pointless wounds.


Manfriday Posted on 27/07/2010 10:03
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So king richard et al, do you watch football on sky tv? Do you have it installed at home?

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 10:03
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Im not saying remove colour from the stands, if anything we have added more in the past year than anyone.

I also doubt that any loss in sales based on the RF's stance on replica shirts will have minimal impact on the clubs finances.

As you have said, more disagree with us than agree. We are not now or have we ever tried to be an all encompassing supporters group. We are a group of like minded fans and we hope to attract fellow like minded fans.

PS: Why do you keep calling me King Richard?


MightyDuck Posted on 27/07/2010 10:03
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"our ideals and beliefs"!!!!!!!!!!

you're some lads with a few flags and a song.

Which one of you is David Koresh?

The wording of your message about shirts is unbelievable. "We're against them and if you join us, you can wear one, but we're against them. Did we mention we're against replica shirts?"

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 10:04
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Im David Koresh,

Odd you should mention that as David Shayler is honoury president of the RF and will deliver us from evil when the end comes.

Shayler is Christ

Holgatewall Posted on 27/07/2010 10:05
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I remember a time when we didn't have replica shirts; most people didn't have season tickets...and we hadn't even thought of the concept of Sky TV[:I]

Replica shirts are a relatively new concept for Football fans. They are just another way of the club getting money out of the fans. A bit like charging £3 a pop for the programmes.

It is up to the individual if they wish to purchase these items.

Manfriday Posted on 27/07/2010 10:06
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Ok just for you, king ricard, do you watch football on sky tv or have it installed at home?

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 10:07
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i'm not looking for an excuse to be right. Your group is fundamentally against the plight and influence of sky on modern foootball when in fact, all your members have sky/digital installed in their own homes. It's an extenstion of the discussion.

by the way it's great that you still remember my old username enough to bring it out the bag when i'm being critical. It's a poor attempt at an underhanded dig to compensate for your losing of the discussion.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 10:07
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No [^]

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 10:09
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Humpty, how do you know whether or not people have sky installed in their houses? Unless your a sky instalation guy who has installed all of this then I fail to see where you get your claim that all of the RF have sky tv.

I also fail to see where I am loosing this argument. Im not trying to win any argument. There are clear opposing sides on this point I am simply making mine.


gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 10:09
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Manfriday - strange that you keep perstering him about that question, as if it's almost a given he must have Sky.

Can you not imagine a life without it?

emphony Posted on 27/07/2010 10:10
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"Now this is fine for the younger kids etc, if that is the way you want to experience football, but that is not going to be with Red faction."

So it kind of does say dont wear replica shirts (adult or child) or you cant be in our gang

OMallezo Posted on 27/07/2010 10:10
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'what can be better for a player to run out to see a ground full of red shirt wearing fans?'

Good god, how depressing is that statement?

-- Exactly how is that depressing as a statement? To run out to a ground full of people showing their support for their team?

I think RF are ruining a lot of the good work they had done with these kind of childish, bigoted views.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 10:11
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If thats how you want to read it.

Omazello - You clear told me that if i didnt like the state of football that i should XXXXXX off and support another team.

If thats not my way or the highway I dont know what is.

Manfriday Posted on 27/07/2010 10:11
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You dont watch any football on sky? You sir, are a liar

MightyDuck Posted on 27/07/2010 10:12
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he's defo got sky

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 10:13
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haha

gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 10:15
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It's a terribly depressing statement, because you have had it brainwashed into you that to 'show your supoort' for your club, you have to wear a replica shirt. FFS!

I haven't worn a replica shirt to a Boro match for about 10 years, and guarantee that you see many more fans supporting the team more vocally than me, home or away.



gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 10:20
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Manfriday, where did I say I never watch a match on Sky?

If you're a football fan, it is almost impossible to not watch Sky at some point if there is a specific game you want to watch.

That said, hand on heart, I reckon I can count on one hand how many games I watched on Sky last season, and everyone of them would have been Boro, or a Champions League game at my mates. I didn't watch a single Premierleague live game on Sky last season.

I got rid of Sky out my house in 2004, and haven't regretted it for a second.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 10:20
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Oh Dear another too cool for school super fan. Gravy don't you live in Manchester do you even go to every game?

How pathetic is it that fully grown men think they're the dogs XXXXXX because they wear a stripey sweater instead of a football shirt.

I don't wear shirts at games either, but that's because I'm in my 30's... I would for a big game or it was sunny first game of the season etc. However telling kids they're not hardcore fans because they wear shirts is fundamentally wrong.

As I said earlier in the thread I had a season ticket at Dinamo (Zagreb) and they had a real ultra firm. They didnt think themselves too cool to wear colours in fact wearing all blue... was their identity.

OMallezo Posted on 27/07/2010 10:20
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Actually King I never mentioned you directly, and what I actually said was:

"If your so bothered about the commercialisation of football by all means f_uk off and support a non-league team - it seems better suited to your ideals"

Again leaving it up to you to decide, exactly what the RF are doing to young fans and their shirts... its all down to interpretation.

Manfriday Posted on 27/07/2010 10:22
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Gravyboat, not at all. I myself dont have sky but i wont lie, i do watch football on sky down the pub etc. However, im not the hypocrit telling people they are not welcome in their 'gang' if they wear a club shirt, whilst still enjoying football on sky

OMallezo Posted on 27/07/2010 10:23
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oh and gravy, you support vocally so you don't wear red... I do both, that must make me a better support right? [;)]

MightyDuck Posted on 27/07/2010 10:24
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cant wait to buy the new shirt

georgeosborne Posted on 27/07/2010 10:24
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More replica kits sold = more money to the club = better players.

RF are undermining the club with this one

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 10:27
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We dont toe the party line.

We wear colours, just not official shirts emblazoned with logos.

We have no plans to turn the entire support into our thinking, we would rather have 20 people who have a common opinion and standpoint than dilute what we feel is right in exchange for popularity.

Manfriday Posted on 27/07/2010 10:28
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I might buy a boro shirt just to pish ricard and gravyboat off. Im sure i could use it to wash the car or something :)

OMallezo Posted on 27/07/2010 10:29
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"We wear colours, just not official shirts emblazoned with logos."

Sounds like this seasons kit [;)]

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 10:30
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Please do!

[^]

Buy replica shirts if you want to, no is saying otherwise.

If you want to join a political party or a society of some sort you surely need to agree on the basic principles or you either cant join or shouldnt.

Same with the RF.

Thanks for the 100+ post

gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 10:30
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No, I don't live in Manchester. And what's me going to games or not got to do with anything - you don't either, do you? It's an irrelevance. Oh, and I don't wear stripey jumpers either, though quite why you think they are the only two options I suppose only you can answer.

As far as I can see, it's not about beign 'too cool for school'. They are saying they don't agree with the modern ethos of extracting money from the fans at every opportunity - you either agree with that or you don't. Why are you in a position to say its wrong?

ccole Posted on 27/07/2010 10:31
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I thought that this group started because people got sick of too many rules and been told what to do.

Now there is rules to follow if you join them and your “advised” on how to behave?

Just turn up and do what YOU want to do to show your support, if anyone tells you anything different, tell them to foook off.

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 10:31
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Your ideals are conflicting though. You want to support the team to the best of your ability, yet you won't support it financially where your endeavours would make more of an impact.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 27/07/2010 10:33
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"Only problem being in the last couple of outings is the replica shirts and individuals not standing"

Pathetic. I was all for the RF but this has put me off them. Aslong as your vocal and back our 11 men on the pitch who gives a toss whether your wearing a replica shirt or sat down.

King_Ricard Posted on 27/07/2010 10:34
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surely we already support the club by buying a ticket.

Beyond that I fail to see why fans should be milked of money at every chance. This a non debate really, we as a supporters group have our own views. Some dont agree with us, but then we are not asking people to only to respect that we hold such views.

The Daily Mail style thread title is what has drawn most people into posting in this thread and is what has caused them to form an opinion without reading the facts.


r00fie Posted on 27/07/2010 10:35
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Pre-order your shirt online at middlesbrough F. C. Im expecting mine anytime soon[^]

gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 10:37
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Why on earth do you think buying a replica shirt would 'pish me off'?

I have actually considering buying one this season for the first time in over a decade, because it doesn't have a sponsers logo. I probably won't, but I've considered it, which is odd for me.

At no point have I said I buy into the RF's stance that people shouldn't buy them or wear them; rather that I understand that is the stance they take, and you either take it or leave it.

However, I do feel that the idea you have to buy one - kids especially - to 'show your support' is a load of phooking bollacks.


kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 27/07/2010 10:44
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It's quite pathetic that some people are looking for an opotunity to knock the 'RedFaction'. I like what they have done and think that any one who improves the morgue like atmosphere at the Riverside should be encouraged.

They haven't told anyone not to buy a replica shirt. They just said they don't like them as they are part of the comercial exploitation of fans. If you don't agree with them then fine, go and buy a shirt. End of story.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 27/07/2010 10:50
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If you support RF and what they have achieved with regards to the athmosphere at the riverside I can't understand why you keep posting on this thread Ghengis?

Their point of view has been explained, why can't it be accepted - it doesn't effect your life in any way does it?

If anything this thread is harmfull to RF and maybe could undo the great support that they have been getting on this board. Why would anyone want to risk that when they have finally brought a bit of an athmos back to the ground?

Trevor Posted on 27/07/2010 10:53
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Telling people what thay should and shouldn't be wearing is a bit poor. I welcome anyone who wants to inject a bit of energy and atmosphere into the riverside. But saying you shouldn't buy a replica shirt is silly.

emphony Posted on 27/07/2010 10:53
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Ricard, I like you but what you are offering here today is just not viable. I dont see how this will work. And for that reason I'm out [:D]

Rufus_vel_Mortuus Posted on 27/07/2010 10:53
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"It's quite pathetic that some people are looking for an opotunity to knock the 'RedFaction'. I like what they have done and think that any one who improves the morgue like atmosphere at the Riverside should be encouraged.

They haven't told anyone not to buy a replica shirt. They just said they don't like them as they are part of the comercial exploitation of fans. If you don't agree with them then fine, go and buy a shirt. End of story."

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Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 10:54
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"If you support RF and what they have achieved with regards to the athmosphere at the riverside I can't understand why you keep posting on this thread Ghengis?"

I respond to posts people made specifically to me or something I find of interest, I'm not sure why I shouldn't? Let's not get carried away with what they have achieved, but I do back any attempts at improving the atmosphere. I judge each action on its merits regardless of who says it and give MY opinion.

I believe strongly that their stance on this issue is fundamentally wrong, short sighted harmful to the club and on this thread there has been a constant denial of the true implications of their views. Ergo they don't have the gonads to back what they say.

Either tell kids in your group not to wear them and accept the implications of that... i.e. reduced shirt sales within your admittedly small group... or be quiet. There's no in between.

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 27/07/2010 10:54
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They haven't told anyone not to buy shirts. It was Gengis who said that in his provocative thread title.

transform Posted on 27/07/2010 10:56
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For every shirt the Red Faction don't buy, I'm gonna buy ten.

emphony Posted on 27/07/2010 10:59
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In the letter posted, which hasnt been denied as being an official RF letter, it does clearly state that wearing replica shirts is fine but you wont be doing it with them. I trust people commenting here have actually read what they are commenting on

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:00
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Kernaghan you're just not getting this are you? Not only have they made it clear it's not cool to wear a shirt they actually criticised people for wearing them. They have made it clear if they wear them they're not welcome in their group.

If you can't see the relation between not wearing shirts and not buying them I truly despair.

It's like saying Jews don't tell people not to eat bacon sandwiches.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 27/07/2010 11:02
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Ghengis, RF have not said "don't buy shirts", and have explained themselves on numerous times in this thread. It is you that persists in dragging this thread out which with the false thread title could be damaging to RF and MFC.

I read that message from RF, I got it through Facebook, as you did I presume? I thought it was a bit weird but I thought 'fair enough, its their group they can do or say what they like'.

You have stated already that you have supported them in the past, and if that is true I can't understand why you even posted this on here? Its like you have a personal vendetta against them.

We all have one common interest on here - supporting MFC - and we presumably all want to support our team and help them to promotion this year? Well if that is the case threads like this go against that - we all need to stick together not argue about something that has NOT BEEN SAID.

Muttley Posted on 27/07/2010 11:03
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Yeah! I get sick of all them Jews stood outside greasy spoons telling me not to eat bacon sarnies!

Daft arse.

toxic_bob Posted on 27/07/2010 11:05
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"But saying you shouldn't buy a replica shirt is silly"

Why? There's an awful lot of advertising muscle put into pushing football merchandise. RF are simply offering an alternative viewpoint (albeit not particularly well argued) as a counterweight. And they've got every right to do this.

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 27/07/2010 11:05
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You like replica shirts Gengis. Great go and buy one. They don't so they won't. I think you are making a big fuss about nothing.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:08
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Muttley how long have you wanted to be a jew? This really is simple stuff. Kids want to join the red faction, kids that would normally wear a shirt... kids that ARE wearing shirts. Have been told to stop wearing them of leave the group.

Muttley Posted on 27/07/2010 11:09
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"kids that ARE wearing shirts. Have been told to stop wearing them of leave the group."

Prove it.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:09
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KingOfTheTribes if you red faction chaps find your own views damaging to your group then I suggest you think about them before you send them to more than 1000 people.

Dustbin_Man Posted on 27/07/2010 11:09
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Since the RF have appeared in the SE corner the amount of trouble between home and away has increased massively.

I have sat there for nearly 10 years and there has usually been a good atmosphere between the two sets of fans.

I agree you support Boro but also are just a bunch of knobs, who do intimitade the Boro fans for not standing up or joining in with their singing.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:10
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Reading is clearly not your strong point is it Muttley? Read 'their' words dummy.

sitheman Posted on 27/07/2010 11:10
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Bit disapointed in the RF here.

Normally I like what they do any fully support them but this is on a par with Sue Watsons letter for me.

It makes you look like hoolies if you are pushing for people not to wear shirts.

I thought the whole point of RF was to improve the atmosphere therefore how is trying to stop people wearing shirts a good thing.

Also it is just giving MFC more amunition to shut the RF out. This is a deliberate negative by the RF aimed at MFC and the club rightly so will not be happy.

Muttley Posted on 27/07/2010 11:10
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I have, it doesn't say ANYTHING like that at all.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:12
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"You like replica shirts Gengis. Great go and buy one. They don't so they won't. I think you are making a big fuss about nothing."

Wrong... their leadership don't... as the letter clearly criticizes the wearing of shirts that is taking place by its members.

They're taking away the choices of kids who wish to be a passionate fan.

MightyDuck Posted on 27/07/2010 11:13
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just like looking at the south east corner and the mighty red faction.

note the distinct lack of club colours


Link: RF

Esteban Posted on 27/07/2010 11:14
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Right boys, I know why you are up to this and it's cause you've been watching all that Danny Dyer wheel fotball factwees nonsense and green street and are in to casual culture...
Let the kids get the tops. And the big kids like me... D'oh.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:16
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"Only problem being in the last couple of outings is the replica shirts and individuals not standing"

"This whole plastic sense of football support is bullXXXXXX, replica football kits, coloured wigs, foam hands etc, is all the typical cheap sell out crap, that the club want you to buy into. Now this is fine for the younger kids etc, if that is the way you want to experience football, but that is not going to be with Red faction. That isnt"

It clearly does actually Muttley... I know you can't see the average age of kids from the West Upper but they're mostly mid teens, certainly not too old to wear a kit.

As I have said... have your own opinions rather than just disagreeing with me for the sake of it... You're exactly the type of fan they hate and you know it. With your hip flask and tartan blanket. Supporting crap players like Aliturd for years and years.

Trevor Posted on 27/07/2010 11:16
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"Why? There's an awful lot of advertising muscle put into pushing football merchandise. RF are simply offering an alternative viewpoint (albeit not particularly well argued) as a counterweight. And they've got every right to do this."

Pushing the viewpoint that there are fans in 'their' section wearing replica shirts are letting the side down. That's how I read it. What next, Red Faction Casuals?.I just find that silly, that's just my point of view.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:17
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Trevor... nail on head... it's one step down from a firm.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 27/07/2010 11:17
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Genghis - My Red Faction membership is the same as yours - a member of their facebook group.

It is you with this thread that is not only damaging to MFC but RF as well. If this thread was about a company or something it would have been pulled as you have blatantly lied in the thread title. [ref]

Esteban Posted on 27/07/2010 11:18
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It's trying to justify playing bloody casuals and going out for a scrap. Sorry boys Esty knows your game! [;)]
Don't do anything I wouldn't do, y'hear![^][B)]

toxic_bob Posted on 27/07/2010 11:18
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Aye, see your point Trevor. I'd be XXXXXXed off if someone sat next to me tried to tell me what to wear, and no mistake.

emphony Posted on 27/07/2010 11:19
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Just for you Muttley, unless you cant read and then I will try and put up an audio file narrated by Cheryl Cole

"This whole plastic sense of football support is bullXXXXXX, replica football kits, coloured wigs, foam hands etc, is all the typical cheap sell out crap, that the club want you to buy into. Now this is fine for the younger kids etc, if that is the way you want to experience football, but that is not going to be with Red faction"

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:20
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King let's discount the fact that I don't believe you... how is this thread damaging to Mfc? Secondly the only damaging part to red faction is their words. The implications of which some of you are too naive to grasp and which they seem unwilling to accept.

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 27/07/2010 11:21
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Gengis, you are making a huge fuss about nothing. They don't like replica shirts. Get over it.

MightyDuck Posted on 27/07/2010 11:26
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trevor - well said. its not 'their' section at all.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:27
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You are making a fuss about me making a fuss it seems. I'm giving my opinion as are you... I understand their intention better than you do clearly, hence my view is at least as welcome as yours.

Stop hiding the fact you're RF.

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 27/07/2010 11:30
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I've honestly never had anything to do with them, I'm too old for all that singing and clapping milarkey [:P]

WillMunny Posted on 27/07/2010 11:32
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As an impartial observer who has just read the entire thread, this is how I see things.

Genghis has started a thread claiming that Red Faction are telling kids not to buy replica shirts. He disagrees with this stance.

There is a letter from Red Faction that states if you want to buy shirts you can, but you won't be with Red Faction. Ergo, if you want to be part of our group don't wear the replica shirt.

Red Faction have confirmed that this is their ideal, which is fine. After all, it is their group, they can decide the criteria for membership.

So basically you have one person with one view and Red Faction with another. Nothing wrong with that as it would be a dull world if everyone agreed on everything.

What I can't understand however is all those that are denying the red faction stance exists and blaming Genghis for causing the group damage despite the clear evidence to the contrary.

Vena Posted on 27/07/2010 11:35
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haha. Im not taking sides or disrespecting any argument here.
But the only people i have spoken to who are aware of redfaction or claim to be members of it are huge 'rara's'&'Plastic fans' whatever lable some people place on them. Whilst i understand these people are not 'core' and will be barley on the fringes. I do see a high level of irony here.

Maybe this is why the letter has been released.

transform Posted on 27/07/2010 11:37
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Genghis is on the money here.

"Only problem being in the last couple of outings is the replica shirts and individuals not standing, sitting down in the middle of our section"

That there's a fan group who think fans wearing replica shirts is a "problem" is bad enough but they also think they have a section of the ground that is "theirs".

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 11:41
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Thread's got too big for my browser... I have had to change to Internet explorer to reply[8)]

Finally people with the ability to read and understand the point rather than concern themseleves with the person who has voiced it.[^]

You raise an interesting point about the ra ra's... they do seem desperate to show themselves as a a fringe uber cool fan movement. Ultras indeed.

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 11:43
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good point transform.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 27/07/2010 11:44
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Stand up and dont where replica shirts or your not welcome in our group.

Nevermind if you want to sing and get behind the team.

Great message isn't it, just when the club needs tge fans pulling together to back the team to promotion

gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 11:55
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Humpty,

What's wrong with a fans group thinking buying replica shirts is a problem? They are in no way alone in that opinion. There are football fan groups NOW discussing the too many/too expensive issue again with clubs.

As per my previous posts, they've done themselves no favours with the way they've gone about this - it's all been communicated rather immaturely imo.

But their fundamental message regarding football fans being treating with contempt by clubs with regards to paying through the nose for overpriced merchendise is not 'bad', surely?


rob_fmttm Posted on 27/07/2010 11:56
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I've now received a record number of complaints about this post. I'm not sure what that says about the thread or about those complaining.

Trevor Posted on 27/07/2010 12:00
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What's to complain about, it hasn't resorted to personal insults yet.

Rufus_vel_Mortuus Posted on 27/07/2010 12:02
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"I've now received a record number of complaints about this post. I'm not sure what that says about the thread or about those complaining."

Who would bother to complain about a thread on a public messageboard.[V]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 27/07/2010 12:03
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It says they don't like been exposed for their silly beliefs

gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 12:03
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Exactly Trev - some strong opinions, but what is there to complain about?

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 27/07/2010 12:13
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Believe what you want Genghis but I've never sat with the SE Corner, I don't know any RF lads, I'm just a member of their FB group. I joined it after the Trophy Virgins stuff.

Anyway each to their own, you don't like RF, I think they aren't that bad [^]

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 12:13
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So the red faction are complaining about our and I say our because I'm not alone ...interpretation of their stance?

How ridiculous. I stood alongside them in total maybe 10 games. I've backed them on other issues but disagree with their stance here. I don't feel I've misinterpreted their views. In fact the vast majority of people if you exclude the likes of Muttely and Peter who would disagree with me if I said grass is green agree they're out of line.

So why are they so ashamed of them they have asked Rob to delete the thread?

Running to teach when your views are questioned doesn't sound all that ultra to me.

WillMunny Posted on 27/07/2010 12:15
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A record number of complaints Rob? What on earth are people objecting to exactly?

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 12:15
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"Anyway each to their own, you don't like RF, I think they aren't that bad"

When have I said I don't like them? I don't have an agenda when I make a point, I say it because I believe it. I agree with a lot of what they do and say. I hated the drum... and I dislike this... otherwise I've backed most of what they've done.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 27/07/2010 12:21
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Genghis said "I hate Red Faction because they told young fans not to buy Boro shirts"

About as made up as your initial thread title... [:D][;)]

Woohoo... post no 200 [^] Well done Genghis!! [^]

Genghis_Khan Posted on 27/07/2010 12:24
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Resorting to lying now[:P]

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 12:26
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As much as King Richard would have you believe otherwise, i'm a supporter of the red factions attempts at livening up the riverside. What i do object to are actions that are potentially damaging to my club and our supporters which this clearly is.

The RF are receiving negative publicity due to a badly thought out ideal. They are obviously not happy at this, but if it helps in altering the way they work by moving towards ideals that work in the best interests of MFC as whole (the team, the supporters, the financial aspect) then surely that's not a bad thing? They should see it as learning exercise or constructive criticism as King Richard constantly states the RF welcome constructive opinions.

However I imagine they'll take almightier than thou approach .

SplendidStuff Posted on 27/07/2010 12:30
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I dont think i have ever agreed with Genghis but i totally agree with what he is saying.

The funny side of this is the lack of admission by the RF even though they have already voiced their opinion, but now seem reluctant to back it up.

If you want to change the face of football in this country you have a long way to go and you will need to be a damn sight more committed to your intentions.

Snoop_Smog Posted on 27/07/2010 12:35
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I would herby like to register a complaint regarding the record number of complaints on this thread.

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 27/07/2010 12:36
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All Red Faction are equal but some are more equal than others[:D]

Apologies to George Orwell

Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 27/07/2010 12:43
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I got bored after reading the first 6 contributions.

Red Faction = Red Fraction = Dictators

Hopefully the club will see sense and bar the ring leaders who seem interested in forcing their beliefs on others.

Without the profits from merchandise we'd be struggling in the Conference and having a derby game against Darlington.

ovy1 Posted on 27/07/2010 12:52
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Red Faction - Could you take the american flag of the 'Flag of Nations'. A yank has never played for us.

Holgatewall Posted on 27/07/2010 13:04
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Would it be ok to wear a descrete little lapel badge or is all merchadise frowned upon?

MightyDuck Posted on 27/07/2010 13:20
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arent stone island jackets as corporate as boro tops?

Old_Gregg Posted on 27/07/2010 13:26
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"Would it be ok to wear a descrete little lapel badge or is all merchadise frowned upon?"

What if someone is wearing socks or boxers from the.club shop? Will there be a RF strip search on entry to the SE corner?

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 27/07/2010 13:27
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"a hostile place for visiting...fans alike"

Hmm. [rle]

myboro Posted on 27/07/2010 14:32
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Humpty - what a numpty

Every post shows you have bought into modern football and believe without every penny being extracted we would be non-league

It is clear that one decision made by MFC led to our quick demise recently. The financial implications of that decision are far more than anything the RF does.

Humpty the Numpty now go get a loan from the bank the club needs a bit more money or we will struggle to pay Mido his wages [:o)]

gravyboat Posted on 27/07/2010 14:39
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'Without the profits from merchandise we'd be struggling in the Conference and having a derby game against Darlington'

How can anyone possibly believe that to be true?

Humpty Posted on 27/07/2010 14:42
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Fortunately i stood on the holgate for my first four years watching the boro, so i'm relatively well schooled in the old boro (seeing as though you keep referring to modern football) and there were plenty of replica boro tops throughout the holgate. It's not a new 'fad' as you like to think.

Regardless you know you've won the discussion when the name calling starts [smi][^]

now don't make me report your post to rob

my mouse is hovering ......


junouk Posted on 27/07/2010 17:21
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Got bored and wound up reading the thread so gave up..

Basically, I was brought up in the holgate and Loved standing. Holgate was designed to stand. After what happened with the bin dippers, Standing was banned from stadiums and all seater stands were build.

When Boro apply to the council for a safety certificate they have to make sure all fans can be seated. Fact

The boro want you to sit down as that is part of the terms and conditions of the council letting us go and watch the Boro. If not the council can shut us down.

THE LAW says you have to sit and the club has to encourage you to do this. Stewards are there to protect you and your family as well as me and mine.

I think this red faction stance has gone out of control. I have stood firm behind them in there efforts to support the club in any way they can. We need fans to do this. We need every one of the 10,700 who have spent hard earned money on giving them support for every game.

Not buying shirts. so what. Not wearing them to the game, whatever. FFS I have not worn a Boro shirt since 1990 cup final.

Get behind the lads on the pitch shout and sing do what ever you want. But dont drive a wedge between a good set up and the rest of the club.

RF I think this statment is a huge mistake. If you want this from your group of followers I can understand why the club have been fighting against you over the past 2 years or so. I was looking forward to joining you in the SEC next season to join in with your singing and waving of flags.

Maybe the club had you right all along.... If this is correct the club do not want you at the ground. The club cant afford your support.

MFC is bigger than RF. No one comes to watch RF, the manager, the chairmen or Sue Watson RIP we come to watch the players and support the team.

When you go back to supporting the the team and not talking politics then maybe the club will start and support you in your efforts to get behind the lads you come to watch.

myboro Posted on 27/07/2010 17:34
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It's not a new 'fad' - no getting them produced on the cheap and selling at top price is though. Football (modern) has become a way to extract as much money as possible from fans.

So some fans want to "Just" pay to watch and no more. Good on them and rather than fight them the club should look at why!

But with apologists like you and others the fan really is going to carry on getting royally screwed.

junouk Posted on 27/07/2010 17:57
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Myboro, I pay to watch football, yes.

I have been on a tour of the ground and watched them at Hurworth.

I have no interest in the club shop or the sunday lunch. The beer is awful at the ground and the kids spill the coke because the club will not allow you to put a lid on the bottle. So i buy it outside from the burger van keep the lid and me and the kids dont then spill it.

So The club is not screwing me at all. I want to watch football in a safe enviroment for me and mine. I would love to bring back standing but you cant. No matter how people jump up and down and scream and shout. NO ONE will ever sanction in this country a standing area.

I support and have done for far to long now, and if my head ruled my heart I would have walked away after EUFA cup final but no i carried on.

Stop with the polictics and get behind the team. Wave your flags, sing your songs dont start making dictating what your group are all about. Or do you want it to be US in the RF and YOU LOT... I hope not.

thebadgeman Posted on 27/07/2010 18:00
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well said junouk, 100% behind the boro .

Lefty Posted on 27/07/2010 18:18
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What is everyone's opinion on wearing MFC sweatshirts?

gizasqueezemister Posted on 27/07/2010 18:23
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I think sweatshirts are pushing it a bit. Im just gonna opt for a discreet pair of boxer shorts [^]

Holgatewall Posted on 27/07/2010 18:27
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The club are not FORCING the fans to buy the shirts they are doing out of their own free will.

If they want to buy the shirts who has the right to stop them wearing them wherever they want.

Sounds like RF is getting too big for itself.Perhaps they will end up driving loyal fans and their kids away the way with the way they are trying to create a hostile atmosphere at the Riverside.

Who wants to watch a game in a hostile atmosphere? We had that in the 70's and it was awful.

Counterproductive.

Boromart Posted on 27/07/2010 18:39
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"we were a core group and that we as a group would have the power to decide what we do when we do it. "
Sounds like a clique that are in it for their own egos rather than the club [rle]


"The referendum style operation that other groups at the club operate works for them as they are an all inclusive group with no formal structure. "
All inclusive does not equate to no formal structure. So your not all inclusive, which is a shame. Your selling yourselves as a vehicle for improving the atmosphere at football grounds (something that should be inclusive to all) when in fact your agenda is something entirely different. There are many fans out their that want to support your movement for an improved atmosphere without necessarily agreeing with your other opinions...that's a huge blunder on RFs behalf.

More question: I'm assuming some of the RF core have kids. Your kid asks you for a replica Boro shirt for his birthday, what do you do?

"The RF have always taken a radical stance from the start, whether you agree with us or not was not an issue we act for our group and supporters who share our ideals not for the wider fan base. "
I think it's a huge assumption that all your fans believe in the ideals of a few 'core' people down to the level of detail of rebelling against replica shirts.

Lefty Posted on 27/07/2010 18:43
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As Napoleon said 'Four legs good, two legs bad'.

Boromart Posted on 27/07/2010 18:57
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what is the Red Faction opinion on scarves? Are they allowed?

BOBEND Posted on 27/07/2010 18:58
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"Red Faction aim to bring back fan power to Middlesbrough Football Club, we have too long been shackled by rules and regulations that have been introduced over the years since the introduction of all seater stadiums, along with sky sports and the corporate media that see football fans as merely customers. They want us to spend, spend, spend and consume as much as possible while sitting quietly in our seat and causing as little 'trouble' to them as possible. Say NO to 'Modern Football', We are going to support OUR team how WE want to support them, not how they want us to."

I was very impressed with the trip to Northallerton at the weekend, plenty of colour and noise etc. However, how can you quote the above and then insist everyone should abide by your rules? who the hell are you? To be honest you sound like a complete control freak and a wee bit scary.

I fully agree with the sentiment of enjoying the match day occasion as it was done 20 years ago but if I remember rightly we did our own thing, dressed as we wished and came together as a group to support the team.

to quote you again "We are going to support OUR team how WE want to support them, not how they want us to." and I guess that means you too!

You sir are deluded and need to grow up.

Boromart Posted on 27/07/2010 19:06
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It's my belief that most people that stand in the RF area are doing so for the atmosphere.....and are apolitical in terms of things like replica shirts.


another question. If you are bothered about the markup that clubs put on products are you going to refuse to buy beer all season in the concourse? Beer has massive markup, I would suspect more than any replica shirts.

HardTimes Posted on 27/07/2010 19:08
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Most of them would not have to worry about buying beer...

standards Posted on 27/07/2010 19:55
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If there be anyone from the Club reading this thread, please can we have xxl red Pringle sweaters in the Club shop, thanks, (WANDERS OUT OF THREAD)

BTW,just Lion logo with Pringle written beneath, up the Scots.

joehuck Posted on 27/07/2010 20:38
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"We are going to support OUR team how WE want to support them"
Most of the clubs fans will do as they want, not to be bullied to be in a firm
Wearing your shirt is great pulling, it on makes you feel like your part of the team with them when your younger.
Do what you wish,as will every body else.

Space_Face Posted on 27/07/2010 20:51
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People who buy Boro tops are apologists??? Some ridiculous views on here from the RF. I've stuck up for them in the past but it seems apparent they are run and supported by ignorant bullies.

bryan_munich Posted on 27/07/2010 21:05
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Red Faction or those that 'run' it really do need to stop taking themselves too seriously. Supporting your team is just that, not a political crusade.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/07/2010 21:11
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Oh dear, has everyone who posted actually read the full statement? The Red Faction stands against the money motivated modern game. Agree or disagree, this is our stance. Right im off to order me new replica and watch abit of Sky [;)]

bryan_munich Posted on 27/07/2010 21:21
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'Right im off to order me new replica and watch abit of Sky'

Supporting the club financially so it can compete isn't the same as supporting Murdoch plc

myboro Posted on 27/07/2010 21:43
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junouk, you appear to think I am in the RF.
I'm not, but as far as I can see the RF are independant and stand against exploitation/greed in the modern game. As I said earlier good on them.

At times that will put them against MFC as they are committed to treating you as a cash cow!

And if you compare the price of football in Germany to here you are getting well and truly screwed i'm afraid.

BOBEND Posted on 27/07/2010 21:57
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This season at the first match of the season I will be mostly wearing a full replica home strip complete with boots, shin pads and keepers gloves, you will find me in the S.E. corner waving my carling cup final flag. Please feel free to join me, however, please note you will only be welcome if suitably attired. [^]

Peachy Posted on 27/07/2010 22:01
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I like these red faction lads remind me a bit of my own time watching games in Germany. St Pauli in particular should be a model for all supporter groups. imply cannot believe some of the rubbish some people have come out with here. It really does make me shake my head about some boro fans sometimes. Shame on you these lads are the ONLY people who have been bothered to get off there arses and try and do something about the ketaminesque atmosphere we have to put up with these days at home games. I will be shifting over with my lads to the corner for home games this season.[^]

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/07/2010 22:03
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Bobend [:D] can't wait for the Ipswich game.

Boromart Posted on 27/07/2010 22:09
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"nd do something about the ketaminesque atmosphere we have to put up with these days at home games."

I guess the issue is that they seem to have taken some big leaps that struggle to hold water:

"improve the atmosphere", expands to "do this by making the game less commercial", expands to "the fans re being ripped off" expands to "all money making activity is the cause of ruination of the game".

If they had stuck to the first or second step in that chain of thought then moist people would be with them. I certainly agreed 100% to start with and have defended them on here, but they seem to have let their own egos and agendas get in the way and now will marginalise themselves which will actually remove some of the atmosphere.

It's sad because it's a missed opportunity to actually create something.

Peachy Posted on 27/07/2010 22:18
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frankly mart I am amazed that these lads have got organised at all - up to now there has been nothing but complete apathy from our support and amazingly when someone does get off there backside people complain. Don't get me wrong I'm all for debate the best thing to do is try to stop these lads - before you know it ther would be thousands.

CeithKool Posted on 28/07/2010 20:54
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You red faction lot you dun goofed, I've backtraced your emails and sent them to the club expect a ban in the post

Consequences will never be the same

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 28/07/2010 21:00
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[:D]

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 28/07/2010 21:54
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Just had a browse on your site.

Came across this picture, i can see both replica shirts and scalves from the club shop.
One minute your all fine wearing them, the next your against it?


Link: RED FACTION