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GroggySlaggySmoggy Posted on 21/07/2010 01:51
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

There was a few in the early to mid eighties from the Peter's South Bank.

Williams,Cairns to name a few!

Algarve Posted on 21/07/2010 03:50
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Going back even earlier Stan Webb

buffaloboro Posted on 21/07/2010 03:58
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Chris Rea. He never really got enough 'game' on the Radio. Remember seeing him at a lower level gig at the Coatham Bowl...Cld have been a contender.

BigCasino Posted on 21/07/2010 06:52
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

I always thought David Hodgson could have gone all the way to regular international level.

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 07:33
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

there was a lad i mentioned on another thread yesterday who i couldnt believe never made it, called nicky rodgers, snodge or something along those lines, looked unreal, 2 years younger than me. my age glen dolan was the best centre back in our county side that included woodgate at the time (although he was mostly a midfielder back then)

another lad a couple of years older than me, danny jacques i think he was called, fromt he normanby area, very very good, think it was off-field issues that stopped him.

Me on the other hand, i should be playing now! thats a joke by the way, i wasnt physically ready to play with pro's until i was about 21/22 which of course was too late by then.

Some great players in this area havent made the grade, others who maybe started slower did, its all about taking your chance if you get it, good luck to the ones who have I say.

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 07:38
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Kevin Horkin, redefined the term stocky, immensley strong, fast and skillful. Allegedly told Shep he'd rather fight for MFC than play for it.

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 07:45
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

i used to play with a lad called anthony parker, he had a lot of ability too, very greedy though, never saw the pass, and even if he did he wanted to keep the ball and do it himself, ultimately thats why he got XXXXXXed off from the clubs he was at.

wigansmoggy Posted on 21/07/2010 07:59
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Lad called Tony Insall. Played with him at Longlands College in early 90's. Scored goals for fun. Think he got a scholarship to the US. He was absolutely class - couldnt believe he never got picked up.

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 07:59
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Is that D Williams above?? The decent cricketer?

Stewy McFee, he was the Liam Brady of Middlesbrough in the 80's. As much he was reliable on the pitch he was unreliable of it.

Looking back, you realise that mental strength, drive, ambition with strong parents are prerequisite for talent. You can have all the talent in the world but if you and your parents are assoles you can forget it. With the benefit of hindsight, I would argue, the strength behind Beagrie, as a schoolboy, from mental, drive and paternal perspectives was greater than his ability. Let's face it, he was largely a one-trick pony.

Hurworth Posted on 21/07/2010 08:29
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Tommy Osborne was a good schoolboy footballer from Stockton. He was signed as an apprentice for Norwich, and eventually made his way to Newcastle, but he was always a big lad and didn't quite make the big time but many thought that he should.

Tommy was the youngest son of a fairly large family where all the boys were really good footballers and all played for Stockton Boys, at different times. He had a slightly older brother, by a couple of years, Barry, who was possibly a better footballer, but passed the 11+ and went to the grammar school where he progressed into a profession rather than football.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 21/07/2010 08:41
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Seen loads of better players not make it than many who have become pros. As 263 said the mental strength is everything.

MightyDuck Posted on 21/07/2010 09:15
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

biggest problem with english football. you only seem to make if you are physically big at school.

in contrast, look at the spanish national side now.

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 09:26
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

not really mental strength, i dont agree, its about gettign the breaks and taking your chances. plenty of people with ability and the mental strength simply didnt get the breaks, too many people in that position, manager doesnt fancy them, coaches son plays in that position, not quick enough for the style of play, etc etc.

I've played with lads who made it who weren't as good as me as a kid, ive played with lads who were much better than me ability wise who nevermade it. theres too many factors to say it comes down to one particular thing.


jono_feds Posted on 21/07/2010 09:30
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Darko I was going to say Danny Jaques. He's my age and played for Leeds. It was a foregone conclusion that he'd make it big time but sadly didn't and not because of his talent. He was on an old champ manager from the mid 90's actually in Leeds Utd Youth team!

When I was at primary school we got beat like 12-0 or something when we played his school Normanby primary who had an awesome team. We were pretty bad mind. Our best result was 4-4 against Beech Grove and I got subbed after about 5 minutes!

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 09:35
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

darko ... cream always rises, eventually. Just because one person says you're not good enough doesn't mean it's true. You keep going, that's why mental strength is important.

Does cronyism and nepotism exist at all levels of football. You bet it does! Even at our beloved club!

speckyget Posted on 21/07/2010 09:40
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Kenny Lowe. Couldn't believe we let a cultured midfielder from Billingham sign for Barnet when we were crying out for such a player in the early 90s. In terms of his ability to 'step up', I once saw him play in an England vs Italy semi pro representative game at Kettering Town (long story). Completely bossed the game against low-Serie A/Serie B opposition.

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 09:40
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

not in my opinion mate, i respect your opinion though. i played as high a evel as i could have as a kid, saw people get chances due to injury's etc and take them, saw people get chances at expense of better players due to family etc. the cream doesnt always rise to the top if it hasnt had the chance to rise.

im not talking about me by the way, ive already said i know i wasnt physically ready as a 16 year old. to say the likes of glen dolan from redcar didnt make it due to lack of mental strength is just wrong, he had a 3 year pro at sunderland and couldnt get a chance due to injury and too many centre backs ahead of him in first team. when your released and you need a job football doesnt really matter.


Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 21/07/2010 09:40
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Terry Gaffney, he's a good 30 years my senior and used to run rings fround everyone at 5 a side.

Chris Pollock was a better footballer than Jamie.

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 09:41
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

chris pollock was no way better than jamie, maybe skill wise but not a better footballer

gravyboat Posted on 21/07/2010 09:44
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Mental strength is THE key attribute to making it at the top level, IMO.

There are a plethora of talented lads at teenage level, but most of them fall away. Obviously, some just aren't good enough, aren't talented enough, but lots are.

The difference is, they don't have the desire, or the motivation, or the concentration, or simply, can't perform on the higher stage when they have to, even if that higher stage at that point in their career is youth team (as apposed to school football), or reserves (as apposed to youth football).

The brain is a powerful tool in any profession.

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 09:49
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

in your opinion mate

i know plenty of pro's who couldnt really give a XXXXXX

gravyboat Posted on 21/07/2010 09:50
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Darko, of course there all sorts of cicumstances, and you can't legislate for injury. If injury ruins a promising career at an early age, then what can you do?

But if 'Glen Dolan' overcame his injuries and was good enough, and had REALLY wanted it, he would have played non-league football and been picked up. Perhaps he didn't really want it.

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 09:53
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

darko, what I've written about mental strength applies to every profession, not just football. You just keep going!

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 09:53
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

no mate, he did play non league football, once you've gone from the pro ranks its pretty impossible to get back, the cases who do are few and far between, you could argue that those are the people with true mental strength but to say X player would have got to the top if he had more mental strength is your opinion but in my opinion wrong.

gravyboat Posted on 21/07/2010 09:55
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Ok, but not 'giving a XXXXXX', and being able to perform to the best of your abilities when required are two completely different things.


gravyboat Posted on 21/07/2010 09:56
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

It's only 'impossible' if you're not good enough, surely?

erimus73 Posted on 21/07/2010 11:15
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Remember a Salterskill schoolboy from the late 80's, Chris Rooney. He was an England schoolboy international. I think an injury finished him.

Can't remember his name, but there was a lad from Hemlington/Coulby in the 90's who had club's queuing up to sign him, he was very promising. He had the talent, but not the drive and got involved in the drugs scene.

scarborosmoggy Posted on 21/07/2010 11:17
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Would the Cairns you mention, Shaun?

Danny Jacques - Liked other things more, snort.

Gary Lloyd - also from Normanby, he was on Sunluns books.

thebodge Posted on 21/07/2010 11:25
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

LEVANT YALCIN, MARK BYTHWAY IN MY ERA BOTH SHOULD OF MADE IT. FANTASTIC FOOTBALLERS

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 11:44
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

gaz lloyd missed a penalty in his last game for sunderland youth team against boro, i was playing in the game. afterwards he did something a bit naughty in the dressing room, held a bit of a grudge against the ppl at boro who released him.

danny jacques better than gaz in my opinion, gary was a really good player without a doubt. that lev lad looked quite a good player too, havent seen enough of him to really comment though to be fair.

borobadge Posted on 21/07/2010 11:46
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Kev Hawk'..

Martin McCann..

Phil O'monie..

Dave (perhaps Colin?) Bishop..

Geoff ? (was at forest when clough was manager late 70s)

Steve Tyreman - Natural goal-scorer




LTS_3 Posted on 21/07/2010 11:58
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Gaz Lloyd and Anthony Parker both were in the year above me at Gilly - played against them both in Sunday league a few years ago, both had piled the weight on and did very little damage playing for a sh1te team

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 12:01
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

yeah gaz has put the beef on now, still got a good touch like. nice lad as well. parkers just got married i think or is about to, remember him going mental when someone called him mowgli from the jungle book as a kid.

thebodge Posted on 21/07/2010 12:02
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

is gaz llyod a left footed lad?

lives n acklam?

LTS_3 Posted on 21/07/2010 12:03
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Just reminded me, had a mate at school, was on MAN UNITED's academy books - decided to pack it in at 14 cos he couldn't be ar5ed going to training in Durham!! Works on the rigs now [|)]

LTS_3 Posted on 21/07/2010 12:04
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Dunno where he lives now Bodge but he is from Normanby

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 12:04
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

what was his name lts?

lovemonkey Posted on 21/07/2010 12:04
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

there was a young lad from stokesley called nathan, i forget his surname, who was brilliant. got signed on by sheffield wednesday and fŁcked it all up due to drink[:o)]

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 12:05
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

gaz is a right footed lad, from normanby not acklam.

LTS_3 Posted on 21/07/2010 12:06
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Darko - L.Dunbar

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 12:07
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

nathan haslam, was a decent player as a kid, i wasnt suprised to see him released. he's XXXXXXing big now like last time i saw him, think he had womens hormones in him [;)]

thebodge Posted on 21/07/2010 12:07
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

cheers darko thinking of someone else then

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 12:08
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

not sure i know him LTS, is it lee dunbar? i was two years below gaz lloyd i think so must be a year below you, i wasnt in gilly by the way.

LTS_3 Posted on 21/07/2010 12:09
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

yes mate, he's a good lad like, only seen him once in about 10 years though

TheDoister Posted on 21/07/2010 12:10
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Dave Markham was the best young player Redcar produced in the mid eighties

lovemonkey Posted on 21/07/2010 12:11
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

do you know him darko he was a few years younger than me like but was some footballer

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 12:13
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

this thread brought up a few memories, i asked my brother who was the same year as nicky rodgers, snodge, the kid i was talking about earlier in the thread, apparantly he went to jail for attacking a taxi driver (alledgedly) although it was supposed to be in the gazette at the time so i dont know if im breaking any rules saying that, ill take it off if i am.



he said ron bone had told him (my brother) bradford (when they were in the premiership) had offered him 5 grand a week to sign for them when he was 17/18 and he turned it down to work with his grandad, now i dont know how true that bit is but honestly if you had seen this kid play in 1995-96ish era you would know why. everyone was after him.

lovemonkey - i know nathan haslam to say hello to, only from football as he was the same age as me, he was a good player but there was a lot better in the area, not saying he was shi1te or anything. he seems a nice lad though, looked like he was more into bodybuilding last time i saw him.

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 21/07/2010 12:37
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Lad i used to know John Duffy he was class was talking to someone a while back and he told me he had a trial for Coventry City didn't know how he got on.

Lad i know was on Newcastles books as a goalie went to Carlise and scored from a goalkick.


darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 12:41
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

was that peter keen?

section60 Posted on 21/07/2010 12:43
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Ask anybody from Redcar about a lad called Ian Bavin he was special used to play for the mighty Hydro,how that lad turned out to be a welder and not a pro footballer is a crying shame that such a talent gone to waste.His step overs are legendary [fb]

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 12:44
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

they had a quality team a few years back, didnt conrad and daz mowbray amongst others play for them?

section60 Posted on 21/07/2010 12:49
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Hydro always had a number of quality players playing for them Darko but Ian was a cut above mate.Best footballer i played with was a wolly back lad called Mathew Scollett cracking midfield player i know he went to Darlo were hes off the field antics got the better of him.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 21/07/2010 12:50
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Lee dunbar the sparky?

Strachans_Tossed_Caber Posted on 21/07/2010 12:51
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

chubby brown[^]


lightning in his day

Vasily_Rats Posted on 21/07/2010 13:20
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?


Darko - what seasons were you in the Boro youth team?

Do you remember a lad called Paul Hanford?
(maybe a bit before your time though)

Fascinating thread this.

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 21/07/2010 13:23
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

DP yes it was

fozzylegend Posted on 21/07/2010 13:25
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Lad called Tony Insall. Played with him at Longlands College in early 90's. Scored goals for fun. Think he got a scholarship to the US. He was absolutely class - couldnt believe he never got picked up.

played with and against him a lot in the old u-18 league when i played for new marske and longlands after in the early 90's...... also played with a lot of good players in what was called the banks group league which was u-19 i think... played for shotton comrades... was geoff the manager of longlands when you were there wigansmoggy?

last time i saw tony insall he was a screw at kirklev open prison... long time ago now though.. maybe 10 years ago?

footyteam Posted on 21/07/2010 13:27
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Danny Jacques was a thugs who ran games coz no one would go near him.

Tommy weaks was a cracking player I thought could have done something.

Notably some good players don't made it coz they're ball greedy gets

GroggySlaggySmoggy Posted on 21/07/2010 13:35
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

The_263


Is that D Williams above?? The decent cricketer?

Yeah that's the fella!


GroggySlaggySmoggy Posted on 21/07/2010 13:37
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

scarborosmoggy

Would the Cairns you mention, Shaun?

Was Ged,gadge.

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 13:41
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

How old is the John Duffy in question here and where was he from. I knew a decent lad of the same name!

GroggySlaggySmoggy Posted on 21/07/2010 13:44
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Agree with some of the names mentioned on here.

Played aginst Tony Insall,Stew McPhee and Kenny Lowe.All quality players.

Then there's Jelly Rowntree and Tex McHale.Decent footballers.

benidorm2boro Posted on 21/07/2010 13:47
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

John Blott,south bank lad,decent goalie ended up at man city but the beer got the better of him,

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 13:52
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

"John Blott,south bank lad,decent goalie ended up at man city but the beer got the better of him"

Beer? FFS! I think a number of women affected by his misdemeanours would question his issues were beer based.

benidorm2boro Posted on 21/07/2010 13:57
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

quite true 263,but the thread is about
local lads who should have made it.

Fattimo_Maccarone82 Posted on 21/07/2010 14:01
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Gaz llyod and a lad called paul wood was on birminghams books got injured very good player

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 14:03
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

He was actually shight after Mancity got shot of him!

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 21/07/2010 14:34
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

263 he was from Berwick Hills i'm going back a few years would be in his early 40's now.

benidorm2boro Posted on 21/07/2010 14:37
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

263,agreed mate,but didn't city chase him because of the drink,i maybe wrong.

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 14:43
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

I played with Blotty before and after his few pro days! Memories are fading!

I recall he was a teetotaller (might be wrong)

He was a classic big head and big mouth.

Clearly there was always soemthing screwed up about him. He was also quite small as an adult (for a keeper) but as a school kid was quite big and physically mature for his age group.

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 14:45
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Blotty will be ~45

benidorm2boro Posted on 21/07/2010 14:46
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

i was a mate of his dads more than him so to speak,a few years before he[his dad] died he said to me the drink will get the better of the lad,

The_263 Posted on 21/07/2010 14:52
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

benidorm - I was not close to him - in fact I'd say he was not a bad lad from a distance but for some reason never appreared to have many mates. When I palyed with him he was very health conscious and fit! Perhaps he changed!

benidorm2boro Posted on 21/07/2010 14:56
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

i think he couldn't handle the big stage so to speak it wasn't long after he went to city he changed big style,a shame really but such is life,anyway enough said.

Algarve Posted on 21/07/2010 14:56
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

From my era a long long time ago;

Kenny Solan (tragically died young)
Tony Lee (went on to manage many non leauge teams)
John Mullins (had trials all over the place)
Stampys dad (very gifted, but not a very nice lad in those days)
Barry Faulkner ( Maybe made more money by not making it)
Ronny Sills (best player i ever played with)
Terry Bird (cultured defender but a dirty bastÁrd)
Glenn Brooks (see above)

benidorm2boro Posted on 21/07/2010 15:07
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Barry Faulkner,thats a name from the past,
when he opened his bingo in south bank we could never get to watch a match never mind any thing else,a great lad tho,

stampys dad not a very nice lad in those days,stewart was a teddy bear,a good lad who could always earn a tanner too,
algarve did John Mullins every make the grade never heard of him for many a long year.

Schoolboyerror Posted on 21/07/2010 15:10
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Lad called Rooney/Starkey mid eighties center forward. I was a cocksure center back and told him he wouldn't be scoring today.

He scored five.

Saw him a few weeks later playing for England schoolboys against the jockanese. easily the best best player I ever played against. That includes some who actually made it.

LTS_3 Posted on 21/07/2010 15:15
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Algarve - Mike Forbes wont be happy you left him off that list [smi] he always tells me he played with all those lads when I get my hair cut

stevie-g888 Posted on 21/07/2010 15:16
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Dave Markham from Redcar - had the good fortune of playing in the same team as him in the mid to late 80's.

Quality![^]

Algarve Posted on 21/07/2010 16:01
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Benidorm, I played with John at Cargo Fleet Juniors, even with Boro Juniors in that leauge we won it 3 years running, he was away just about every week at Coventry, Burnley, Everton,etc seemed everyone wanted him but nobody ever signed him, I played with him at South Bank also.

LTS-3 Foffa did indeed play with those lads for ST Beads in his youth, they had a pot hunting mentality same team Beads on Saturday, another team on Sunday Morning and another on Sunday afternoon, Tell Foffa next time you get your hair cut that Spearsy said he has more trophies than anyone in Boro, all gained by surrounding himself with the proper players that he used to give free haircuts to, And in those days Foffa was the only place for haircuts in the Boro.


benidorm2boro Posted on 21/07/2010 16:06
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

algarve,you might remember another lad,John Webster,he went to aus in 65/66 played for adelaid for 9/10 years,was a big mate of barry and a few other names on here,

Algarve Posted on 21/07/2010 16:14
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

His name doesnt ring any bells , but we are talking over 40 years ago here , i cant beleive Foffa is still cutting hair at his age, he must look like Harry Bindorf now.

could_it_be Posted on 21/07/2010 16:15
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

charlie agiadis

My_Opinion Posted on 21/07/2010 16:24
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Whaay Gaz Lloyd getting a mention Ha...Played in same tean afew years back and played under a team he coached and even though he has piled some weight on you can still tell he was coached and played at good levels.......As said above his touch is quality still....and yes he did play in not so good leagues but he just wanted to play and incan honestly say he bossed most team in the redcar leagues!

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 16:38
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

yeah Gaz is a good lad and still a good footballer. in reply to a few posts, at work.. -

vasily, played SOE until 96, youth team for 1 year after, footyteam, danny jacques is just a thug? seriously? well i can honestly say i thought he had stacks of ability to go with it, he was older than me though but i saw him play many times and thought he stood out nearly every time no matter what level, vasily i know who paul hanford is, think hes 2 years older than me?? i dont know him though.

another name to add to the list was Kevin Dixon, played for Marton and MIddlesbrough, then Leeds united before being released in suspicious circumstances, rumour has it this led leeds to look for another local centre half...

Borobornandbred Posted on 21/07/2010 16:44
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

"Danny Jaques was a thug who ran the game cos no one wud go near him"

The same lad who one night in 92 Alex Ferguson rang his dad to sell Man Utd to him

The same Danny Jaques who got through to Lilleshall ahead of a young Frank Lampard/Jamie Carragher (didnt go mind)

The same lad who Ron Bone describes as the best 15 yr old he'd ever seen,bear in mind hes younger than Beckham,Giggs etc,

Who played in an international tournament in France and Leeds rated him the best striker in it (Raul played for Real Madrid in it btw)

Leeds Paul Hart compared his speed of thought and vision to Kenny Dalglish.

Was given the biggest schoolboy contract in Leeds's history.

Yes Danny screwed his career up with off the field garbage but dont for one second imply he couldnt play.

My_Opinion Posted on 21/07/2010 16:48
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Me being a lot younger than a few on this thread havnt heard of the lad your talking about but sounds like a cracking player...pity he didnt make it

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 16:52
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

boroborn and bread exactly, its funny when people label someone when they dont know the facts. I couldnt be bothered explaining all those facts but most people involved in football round these parts know he was a top player, maybe the best I've seen as a kid/junior.

darko_pancev Posted on 21/07/2010 17:09
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

In reply to someone who mentioned paul wood earlier, he was my brothers age and played in a few teams with him. he really stood out as a kid but he was physically much bigger than anyone else his age group. I never really expected him to make much of a name as everyone caught up with him, he was very left footed also, joey hutchinson his mate was a decent midfield / attacking player, was amazed a few years later when he turned up in birminghams 1st team playing centre half!

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/07/2010 17:42
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Joey Hutchinson was very, very highly-rated as a teenager at Birmingham. I think injuries got the better of him and he ended up at Darlington where, once again, injuries curtailed his career.

Played against Craig James a few times, he was a left-sided player who signed for Sunderland when he was about 16. He played a couple of games for them, was released and worked his way down via a couple of years at Hibernian(left-back for them when Mowbray was there I think), Port Vale and Darlington.

Rocky10 Posted on 21/07/2010 18:10
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Scarboro smoggy

I drink with Sean Cairns - used to be from Whale Hill how do you know him?

Ex boro - Barnsley the Halifax Tn played in same side as Phil Brown

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 21/07/2010 18:50
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Badge.

You are thinking of Geoff Lilley, Forest and later Whitby.

Saw him play at Ayresome Park for England Schoolboys against the Dutch ( 1977?)

mattyk50 Posted on 21/07/2010 18:58
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

"Craig Daniel Jaques, from Middlesbrough, was once a trainee professional with a Premier League club before his fledgling career was halted.

Yesterday the Middlesbrough 31-year-old was locked up for a robbery where he hit a man with a dinner plate and stole £3 and some tobacco."

[:O][:O]

sossage Posted on 21/07/2010 19:22
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

There's a guy I know from the gym called Miles Newton - apparently Barcelona offered him a hundred grand a week when he was seventeen but he injured his knee in a parachute jump for charity (ending his football career) just before signing the contract. Became a Government secret agent in the end.

inoffthepost Posted on 21/07/2010 19:45
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Bodge wouldnt be you would it.Dont agree in yelchin either.

scarborosmoggy Posted on 21/07/2010 19:48
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

I used to be from Whale hill also mate.[^]

robbso Posted on 21/07/2010 20:10
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

A South Bank lad called Johnny Hepple,quality.Went to Sunderland very highly rated there.It didn"t work for the kid in the end.Died tragicaly young a few years back.He played for S/Bank in the Northern league when he was 15 i believe.

If i remember rightly Mark Hartley was a trainee at S/Bank in the early 80"s when Tony Lee took over(I think he is the infamous Liams Dad.Decent player but followed another path.

footyteam Posted on 21/07/2010 20:33
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

never implied he couldnt play. he nutted my brother once and the ref booked him and his dad used to stand and give abuse to everyone around for 90 mins.


bblf Posted on 21/07/2010 20:39
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Micky Condon.... late 70s on the books at Boro. Best teenage striker Id seen in years. Hardest shot ive ever seen and a leap like a gazelle on a trampoline.
Got in with a bad crew. Boro moved him to the Medhurst Hotel with other young players but it was too close to home.
They gave up on him.
Watched him play in the Teesborough League 8 yrs later. 4 Stone overweight but still his teams top scorer by miles. Still quick over 10 yds and scoring 2 or 3 every week.
Would have been a Boro legend if he could have sorted his head out.

weststandwally Posted on 21/07/2010 20:50
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Andy Harbron,if he had played as centre back as a lad instead of in midfield where he was superb but when he moved back he was magnificent in his latter years.
Charlie Butler was another who somehow slipped through the net in that era.

Borobornandbred Posted on 21/07/2010 20:53
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Sorry footy but his dad never used to give abuse to anyone.He only used to whistle to attract Dannys attention.I dont remember Danny ever getting into any on the field bother whatsoever as a player altho off the field he had plenty.He was no on the field bully and i dont remember him ever getting booked.Currently in Jail.great shame.Didnt love the game enuff,got more of a buzz from a dangerous situation than a match but a GREAT player as a youth.BTW you did imply he only looked good cos he had space cos everyone was scared to approach him.

Rocky10 Posted on 21/07/2010 20:55
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Scarboro he's living in Stockton (Mackemsville) now.

Played over 35's with me a couple of years ago could see why he was of a decent standard - drive, determination and aggression. Plus a little bit of talent.

snapped a lad in half with one tackle - winch wasn't in it.

could_it_be Posted on 21/07/2010 20:56
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

didnt bruce rioch sound out charlie butler only for chazrlie to reply "do you know how old i am mate"

Borobornandbred Posted on 21/07/2010 20:59
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

played with Johnnie Hepple when he was 15/16.A real talent but like Danny wanted his cake and eat it...you cant go out with your mates on the lash all the time if you want to make it.Discipline and desire was the problem with them both and also Mcphee who i also played with.All frustrating wastes of space but all good lads.

subbuteo_171 Posted on 21/07/2010 21:08
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Andrew Banks - went to Ipswich in 1988, knacked his knee.

David Keavney - Rioch used to turn up to reserve games and talk to him through the game. Lives in the States now.


junco-partner Posted on 21/07/2010 22:10
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

ady mcphillips, Quality [^]

cpmfc Posted on 21/07/2010 22:18
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Danny Jaques was not a thug played against him a few times he was no bother a good player but not great (had a good shot on him).Glen Dolan was a good player but unlucky had he got his break would be in the premier league now.Best player i ever played with or seen was Daz Mowbray by a long way.

GroggySlaggySmoggy Posted on 22/07/2010 05:50
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Remember Johnny Hepple.Was quick and direct.

A lot of wasted talent has been mentioned.Would things have been different if the Academy was around in those days?

darko_pancev Posted on 22/07/2010 06:41
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

might agree with you about glen, thought he looked complete as a centre half, think he could have made the grade in midfield as well, saw hime run the county cup final on his own against nunthorpe a team that included woodgate, bowesy etc, a really strong team, think he thought going to sunderland was the best option when maybe it wasnt, him and woodgate had trials at manchester united's cliffe training ground when they were 15 and apparantly glen got offered terms,not 100% sure if thats true but someone I trust told me.

I can't agree with Danny Jacques being a thug, I remember he wasnt scared of a challenge but I can't remember him getting in trouble although I didnt see all of his games I admit. I saw him play in goal for Eston park once then come out at half time cos they were getting beat and change the game.

footyteam Posted on 22/07/2010 07:06
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

I've seen him spit at players and head butt my brother with my own eyes and saw him on several occasions and now he's in jail. Proofs in the pudding.

Kent_MFC Posted on 22/07/2010 07:32
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Was John Duffy around 26/27 and play for Bulkhaul? He was a good player

The lad from Coulby in the 90s was that Salvatti, think he was at Man U when he was younger. Great player.

Always thought Paul Leech(RIP) was fantastic player when he was younger as well


billeeee Posted on 22/07/2010 08:10
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

bblf, I'm glad Micky Condon got a mention. I use him all the time as an example to young lads that it's not always the BEST footballers that make it to the top. Micky was a fantastic striker, and a very nice lad.

He was in the same young Boro teams as Stephen Bell and Gary Gill.

wigansmoggy Posted on 22/07/2010 11:21
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

I remember watching the Boro schoolboys in the mid-80's. They won/shared the cup in about 86. There were 2 quality players. Paul Wrattan (think he signed for Man U) and Stephen Didlick (??) (played for England schoolboys). Both were quality but never heard anything of them when they finished with the schoolboys. I guess they were both local lads. Wondered if anyone knew what happened to them both.

richardsneakers Posted on 22/07/2010 12:25
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

i was in the same team as paul leach, he was a supurb player

Bummedyermam Posted on 22/07/2010 12:26
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Stephen Didlick was in our school, think he was in Chris Rooney`s year. If i remember right that years team was full of quality.
His brother Alan Didlick was a very good player in my year, captain of the team, very good midfielder, think he went in the RAF.
There was also a lad who played for St Davids, same age as me, Anthony Isaacs, was talked about at the time as a very good prospect but like so many others let it all go for the party instead.
Sorted himself out and I think he`s a paramedic or summat now.

Schoolboyerror Posted on 22/07/2010 12:30
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Played with both Cairns Brothers.

Sean at Sunday league level, South Park Rangers, although he was a year above we always trained together, and had trials for Boro on the infamous Hutton Road pitch, together.

Paul, did make it, he was with Spurs when a cruel injury stole his career. Played with him in the Fleck Trophy on Wiltons pitches, we got beat 15-0 and he was easily the best player on the pitch, couldn't move too quick, but he really could play. (Both went to Gillbrook not Peters.)

Played against John Hepple many a Saturday when he played for Sarah Metcalf,He always got a mention off Keith Dodds (R.I.P)our manager, in the pre match as one to watch, always had my work cut our marking him, but somehow I always did, must be a styles thing, as some players I just couldn't mark for toffee, but where nowhere near as good as John (R.I.P)

Gary Hinchley was one of the best passers of a ball I saw as a kid, like a young Glen Hoddle my Dad once said.


Gary Whetter, again played with in the Fleck trophy, danced past people as if they didn't exist. Great player and a real nice guy too.

mossboss Posted on 22/07/2010 13:15
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Algarve, not wanting to split hairs, but Tony Lee did make it as a pro footballer, albeit a few years back, hes told me on more than one occasion of scoring a hat trick on his debut for Bradford City, he also went on to play for Leicster City, when Gordon Banks was there, before turning to management. Anthony his eldest son, a talent that should have gone further in the game. Andy Ripley (Marton), Peter Devers (Redcar), & Stephen Smith (Guisborough) three others who with a biot of luck & a bit more desire may have made a living from the game.

Heine Posted on 22/07/2010 13:39
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

yes Adrian McPhillips went to Chelsea but kept getting sent off never played again at any level i don't think

sasboro1 Posted on 22/07/2010 14:00
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

"I always thought David Hodgson could have gone all the way to regular international level."

I was a bit young at the time but I don't get people rating David Hodgson. For a striker his goals record was very poor

beamishboro Posted on 22/07/2010 21:07
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

from my playing days -

ronnie sills
ged hartley
barnie malone
charlie butler
geoff forster
bobby scaife
phil linacre

all good enough.

we_shall_be Posted on 22/07/2010 22:20
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

if you remebr them lads, you must know herbie hughes, scored goals for fun, then there was conker the goalie, ricki sighn both played for the steelies

SOUTHGATES_NOSE Posted on 24/07/2010 00:42
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Algarve and Beamish,

Mentioned my relative (Ronnie Sills). Alot of family members have also said with a bit of luck he could of went further! I think my dad went to see him play in the FA Vase final at Wembley??? Where you local Park End lads, or just knew him through football? Ronnie now lives in Australia with his wife, children and mother in law. Used to work for Bulkhaul and now works for himself in some sort of catering business.

NedKat Posted on 24/07/2010 01:14
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

I used to play with a bloke called Mike Sell. He was a few years younger than us, but you could see he was quite the footballer. His Bother, Iain, wa my best mate, but he lost his life in a car accident far too early ... I loved that man !

dreamdealer Posted on 24/07/2010 09:26
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Ronnie Sills. Les Scott.

The_263 Posted on 24/07/2010 09:32
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

I recall loads of great school boy footballers who didn't maintain that quality once they and their peer group on the football pitch reached adulthood. This is one of the reasons why I believe that the academy system in this country is overhyped.

peck Posted on 24/07/2010 14:43
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Jellies- Paul Rowntree quality striker he never seemed to get the praise he deserved another one who scored goals for fun!!

etonrifles Posted on 24/07/2010 17:18
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

chris teasdale went to Lillishall
Gary lemon ,his brother Paul played for mackems
others who made it!
steve holmes went on to play for lincoln, pools among others .
Nicky southall ,gillingham

T1ffy Posted on 24/07/2010 18:03
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

mark bythway hahahahah [:o)]

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 24/07/2010 18:09
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

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Algarve Posted on 25/07/2010 04:54
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Mossboss, i knew Tony had played pro, but not for teams his ability deserved, when this lad was 16 he was by far the best player in this region, I was suprised when i returned to the area after several years away he had turned to management.
In answer to 263, the era we are talking about here is late 60s / early 70s, everyone played football from morning till night in those days as there was very little else to do. No mobiles, games consoles, etc just BBC and ITV.
The Pro teams had trials taking place right throughout the season, such was the number of talented players the scouts were finding. The problem was for lads like Mullins, Sillsy etc, that you got your chance at a trial, if you didnt impress you got your train fare back and you never heard from that club again. the point being is that these lads learnt to play football in the school yard and never had any coaching whatsoever. what players a lot of them would have been if they had a chance to pass through a modern day academy.

bororat Posted on 25/07/2010 08:01
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Class thread this. I played with a few good lads at nunthorpe in 84_85 . We beat the boro boys team 3.1 that included ripley cooper kernaghan Gary parkinson and Beagrie a lad called nicky jimson played as well he was tipped for big things. Our team had ady mcphillips. Chris leadbitter, who made a career from footy, ian Ross, one of the best goalies I have played with,
One of the best players I played with was a lad called. Andy ( pixie)Parkes he was at the boro for ages. Ended up at billingham town with him. I haven't seen him for years now.
Paul wratten played at hertel with us in about 93 it was not long after he had been on the bench for the cup winners cup final for man u v Barcelona. He was a good player.
I have seen some great lads play over the years but the difineing difference in making it to being a nearly man is attitude

bangkok_smoggie Posted on 25/07/2010 08:04
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Mickey Condon and McFee were great players. Alan Pearce (who had a career with York) and Kevin Gibson were also great from Newlands.

Disagree about Beagrie being a one-trick pony, played against him many times and he was superb. The only player to come close that I played against was Ripley.

There was also a lad called Peter Singh who went to Stainsby who had magic in his feet. Better than Gill imo.

Hurworth Posted on 25/07/2010 08:15
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Keith Lamb was a very talented Haverton Hill lad, and played Northern League football in the 60s.

I think he had a couple of trials with professional outfits, but preferred to stay in accountancy, and eventually gained chartered status.

oldsmoggie Posted on 25/07/2010 10:01
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

There is a big difference between these nearly men and the ones who go on to have a long career in pro football.
Take Tony lee for example, I worked with a lad who played a full career in pro football. when he retired a bit early and came to Teesside tony Lee picked him up for a NL team he was managing. The pro said that tonys tactical nouse was very poor in comparison but his strengths were in getting players to sign for him. in fact Tony actual left the coaching to the old pro as he himself realised the fact.

mattyk50 Posted on 25/07/2010 10:36
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

yeah my dad played with keith lamb and said he was quality [^]

Algarve Posted on 25/07/2010 11:19
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

I agree with that old smoggie Tony allways had the knack of getting the best players, if i remember rightly his first coaching job was at Guisboro just after they joined the NL and he put together a very good side from the start.
Bangkok Smoggy were in Bangkok are you , im in Jomtien next to Pattaya ? there are a few other boro lads here

Sea_Harrier Posted on 25/07/2010 11:21
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Matty, who did your dad play for when he was a teenager? Was it the Haverton Hill Boys Brigade?

Mavrick Posted on 25/07/2010 11:27
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Darko. I remember Snodge. He was a good player but had a nasty temper. I'm sure he broke his leg which probably had a massive impact on his chances but I think his attitude did him no favours either!

weststandwally Posted on 25/07/2010 18:13
Any local lads who,in your opinion,should have made it?

Have to agree about Keith Lamb,although he was in his thirties when i played with him he was a great reader of the game and the bravest centre half i,ve seen often coming off with cuts to his face and head he had no fear of any challenge but was also a gentleman and played the game hard but fair