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HolgateCorner Posted on 03/07/2010 23:17
This Alternative Vote thing that Clegg is after...

How will it work?

What if nobody wants to vote for anybody other than their first choice candidate?

What if the turn out is low?

I don't see how it can work.

coluka Posted on 03/07/2010 23:18
This Alternative Vote thing that Clegg is after...

It Won't so chill [^]

Cooper671 Posted on 03/07/2010 23:20
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Won't happen. Cameron is going to campaign against it anyways

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 03/07/2010 23:21
This Alternative Vote thing that Clegg is after...

Should just pick names out of a hat.

Buddy Posted on 03/07/2010 23:21
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I'd be surprised if people didn't have an order of preference - I don't like Labour much but I'd prefer them to BNP, for instance - but it's not the system I'd choose if there were a range of options.

As there aren't, it's a half-decent first step towards a proper proportional system. We have to win this referendum though, because otherwise it'll get buried for another generation.

Only_Me Posted on 03/07/2010 23:23
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The biggest shame ( on them! ) is that they are not prepared to hold an In/out of the EU vote at the same time. That is by far a more important subject, which the British have had no opportunity to openly debate in over 30 years.[:(!]

HolgateCorner Posted on 03/07/2010 23:28
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you have no chance of an EU vote - Cameron is anti europe while Clegg is pro europe.

If Cameron wanted a vote on it Clegg would sink the coalition (because he'd be frightened to death we voted to get out of it).

Julios_Hairband Posted on 03/07/2010 23:28
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The Lib Dems weren't really after the AV as it's really not all that proportional, but it's pretty much all that either Labour or the Tories was willing to concede to so they didn't have much choice.

Problem is, if/when there's a referendum of AV, a yes vote = vote for AV, no vote = vote for FPTP. There's gonna be not 3rd option for something more proportional, ie STV.

Only_Me Posted on 03/07/2010 23:40
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" Cameron is anti europe while Clegg is pro europe. "

No he's not H.C. Had he been so, then he would have promised a vote regardless of whether the L.T. had already been signed. It is part of our law/rules that no government can be held by something that a previous government did. Therefore the escape clause is already there for the use of, he is just a puppet when all is said and done, he made a half hearted ( cast iron ) promise that he never had any intention of keeping, it was all about votes and if you look at how his popularity sank after his volte face then his ploy didn't work.
The vast majority of Brits questioned about the EU want no further truck with it but the bandwagon rolls on because it pays well to those that can climb aboard.
He is as pro-europe as Cleggy when it comes down to brass tacks. Sad but unfortunately very, very true. [cr]

Julios_Hairband Posted on 03/07/2010 23:48
This Alternative Vote thing that Clegg is after...

Only: A referendum on the LT after it had been ratified by all member states would simply be a vote on membership the EU, as if we repealed our ratification of the LT once it was in force the EU would have had us out on our arse faster than we could say "parliamentary sovereignty".

Cameron clearly didn't have the stones for that.

To be perfectly honest, I'm gald, as I'm pro-Europe, but that's basically what it would have amounted to.

Only_Me Posted on 04/07/2010 00:20
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" Only: A referendum on the LT after it had been ratified by all member states would simply be a vote on membership the EU,"

Absolutely correct, to all intents and purposes, though I tend to disagree with your point that the EU would have had us out " on our arse faster than we could say "parliamentary sovereignty". "

We are cash cows to them, nothing more. Our politicians keep repeating the same old guff about wanting to be at the heart of the EU but the truth is, the EU don't want us there, other than when it's time to hand over the cash. While we are still paying in 45+ million per day into the kitty, they won't allow us to just up and leave. They even wrote into the L.T. that any country leaving would have to pay billions in compensation to the EU for the privilege of telling them to get stuffed. Quite ridiculous and it's time we had a politician in charge that had the guts to tell them where to get off, imo.[:(!]


" Cameron clearly didn't have the stones for that. "

No he hasn't got the 'stones' but by the same token, it's a lifetime of serious money in his back pocket when he gets shuffled sideways at some point in the future.


" I'm gald, as I'm pro-Europe,"

But it's undemocratic and riddled with fraud and corruption and has cost thousands of jobs in this country in red tape alone? What is there in it's favour that is worth 45 million per day?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/07/2010 00:23
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'But it's undemocratic and riddled with fraud and corruption'

That's Capitalism [^]


Only_Me Posted on 04/07/2010 00:27
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" That's Capitalism "

Funnily enough, it also describes socialism, or at least the socialists involved. Ask Frank! [;)]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/07/2010 00:31
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Frank's not a socialist. He's been representing a middle of the road party in parliament since 1983. It's like describing Aliadiere as a striker.

As for socialism being corrupt, one will never know unless it's tried out properly, so far it hasn't.


br14 Posted on 04/07/2010 01:14
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"As for socialism being corrupt, one will never know unless it's tried out properly, so far it hasn't."

Nor can it ever be. It is a dream and its objectives quite easily demonstrated to be unachievable.

Good dream though. Like the earth as portrayed in Star Trek episodes.