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HolgateCorner Posted on 25/06/2010 18:41
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

I'm sure he has called on all countries to cut spending to reduce their budget deficits.

Hang on, I thought it was only Labour who had run up a big deficit.

Or was it the global banking problem to blame after all?

Has Old Etonian Dave been telling lies?

Bukowski Posted on 25/06/2010 18:49
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

In the EU, only Ireland and Greece have bigger budget deficits than the UK.

No country in the G8 has a bigger budget deficit than the UK.

Rodders_T Posted on 25/06/2010 18:58
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

I thought the UK deficit didn`t have anything to do with the bank bail out.

So where has all the money gone and what has the debt been accrued from?

SidSnot Posted on 25/06/2010 19:07
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Troll

boromutt Posted on 25/06/2010 19:10
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

No one else in the E.U. depended on the finance sector more than Britain so our deficit was always going to be bigger than anyone else. The shiny headed fool is just using this as an excuse to rob to poor to help the rich, same old Tories.

The_GOAT Posted on 25/06/2010 19:14
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

If all/most countries and banks are owing money, who exactly do they owe it to?

SidSnot Posted on 25/06/2010 19:15
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Boromart - utter garbage. The deficit has barely nothing to do with the banking crisis.

HolgateCorner Posted on 25/06/2010 19:33
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Sidsnot - I don't think Cameron was meaning to be a Troll.

I think he was just asking for everybody, particularly the USA, to cut spending to get rid of their big deficits.

If only the UK have a big deficit, his advisers must have got this wrong somehow, maybe you should write to the government about it.

degsyspesh Posted on 25/06/2010 19:35
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

More pseudo leftist drivel.......

Pedictable, boring and shows those who write it to be fairly clueless.

HolgateCorner Posted on 25/06/2010 19:37
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Hi Degsyspesh - good to see a well thought out, reasoned response as usual.

Or aren't you capable of that?

degsyspesh Posted on 25/06/2010 19:44
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

If you could manage to present a well thought out and reasoned post then I would try my very hardest to provide a response of equal measure. It might take me a while though as I'm not very bright (I was unlucky enough to go to school in the 80's while the Thatcherite junta was in power and all that....)

SidSnot Posted on 25/06/2010 19:52
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

You're right HC lots of countries have big deficits. I don't ever recall Cameron saying Britain was the only country with a deficit. I think you'll find that he has said that the UK's deficit is far too big and labour is to blame for that. Given that our deficit is bigger in % terms than the US Federal deficit (the world's reserve currency) and only surpassed by Ireland (who themselves have implemented major public sector austerity measures), then I think he has a fair point.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 25/06/2010 19:54
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

A politician telling lies? Never.

HolgateCorner Posted on 25/06/2010 20:01
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

degsyspesh - I could tell you were only a youngster, come back when you are old enough son.

sidsnot - what you say is probably right but you cannot deny that both Cameron and Clegg, particularly since the election, have been trying to present a picture that the UK deficit is too high and this is entirely down to Labour as if the situation were unique to this country.

And we all know that is a complete lie, and today he has had to come clean on it.

degsyspesh Posted on 25/06/2010 20:03
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

[:D][:D][:D]

OK, fair enough

SidSnot Posted on 25/06/2010 20:16
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

There's a grain of truth in what you're saying, but you're making a mountain out of it. If that's the definition of a lie, then I'd recommend you don't examine the last government's record too closely. Are you in fact Alistair Campbell?

HolgateCorner Posted on 25/06/2010 20:23
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

No I'm not Alistair Campbell, and I also think we badly need the public sector thinning out having worked in the private sector for all my working life since graduating in 1983.

But I don't let that get in the way of a bit of an argument on here..[;)]

degsyspesh - that's the spirit son, nothing posted on this board should be taken too seriously (unless its about the Boro of course)[^]

degsyspesh Posted on 25/06/2010 20:35
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Not a problem dad.

HolgateCorner Posted on 25/06/2010 20:36
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

[^][:D]

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 25/06/2010 20:39
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Labour lost the election because they were not wanted anymore.

Let it go.
Let it go.

HolgateCorner Posted on 25/06/2010 20:41
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

ponderetc - and what's that got to do with Cameron being a liar??

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 25/06/2010 20:46
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

A politician who is a liar. Hmmmmmmm. So out of character for a politician.
That is if in fact he is lying or just expressing his opinion.

Labour bolloxed the economy. He's trying to fix it. In 5 years you will get a chance to vote on whether he has done a reasonable job. However, like most Rosette followers your closed mind is already made up.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 25/06/2010 20:49
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

I'll play.

Cameron is a liar? OK!


I'll raise you Mandelson and Campbell.

Go on top that, you can't can you?[:D]

Only_Me Posted on 25/06/2010 21:08
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

" I'll raise you Mandelson and Campbell. "

Ooooooh, sea harrier straight in with the big guns there.
I think that might be check mate [xx(]

Not that Gordon Brown wasn't a big enough liar in his own right, or Tony Blair, for that matter.

degsyspesh Posted on 25/06/2010 21:11
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

I'll see your Mandelson & Campbell and raise you Gordon "No more boom and bust", or "I am the prudent chancellor" Brown.

Only_Me Posted on 25/06/2010 21:20
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

You forgot the best one Degsy...

" I know nothing of the secret slush fund that I have had my sticky mits in for the last ten years and I have destroyed the exercise book with all the details in it, so that proves that I know nothing about it."

Or...


I'm getting on with what the people have asked me to do."

no you weren't Gordon cos the people were asking you to get lost! [rle]

Lurcher Posted on 25/06/2010 21:33
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Yes

degsyspesh Posted on 25/06/2010 21:42
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

I think that would have broken the table limit (as would Tony "45 minute" (and now conspicuous by his absence) Blair)

Oooo Posted on 25/06/2010 21:50
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Its all stats isnt it? if you compare deficit on % of GDP ours is actually not as bad as many countries in Europe, the USA and Japan

degsyspesh Posted on 25/06/2010 21:55
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

It is all about stats and to my mind comparing one countries deficit in terms of GDP against another countries can be very misleading as all countries have there own circumstances.

That said, no matter which way you look at it as a country we are in fairly deep s h i t. It's hard to tell how deep it is, but at best it is going to give us a fairly major problem for the next decade. At worst, I don't even want to think about it.

Lurcher Posted on 25/06/2010 21:56
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Oooo

Don't let the facts get in the way mate, the youngsters have had a drink and it could get nasty !

HolgateCorner Posted on 26/06/2010 09:37
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Regardless of Blair, Mandelson and Browns record on telling the truth or otherwise, they have been shown the door by the electorate and will never be seen at the top of government ever again.

The current incumbent Cameron is now the man who matters, and regardless of rosette colour, he is telling lies at the moment and, what's worse, masquerading as 'telling it as it is'.

And I thought this bloke was going to clean up politics?

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 26/06/2010 13:19
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Intelligence test!

Use the link to see how much the debt/GDP ratio has changed over the years, then think about who was in power?

Rodders_T Posted on 26/06/2010 13:24
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Add to all those Labour lies "We promise a referendum on joining the EU if elected"

Vote Labour [^]

HolgateCorner Posted on 26/06/2010 18:00
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

clevesmoggie - what link?

And what's your point?

Of course Labour spend on public services because they believe in them. the Tories believe everything should be privatised and left to the free market you idiot, get some sense into that thick head man.

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 26/06/2010 18:19
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Sorry, Attached link, focus on the last 20m -30 years.

A third of labours spending has yet to appear on the books as a consequence of PFI & PPP's.

Public debt 30,000 per person was a figure quoted and not dismissed by Labour in anything I saw.


Link: http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/downchart_ukgs.p

HolgateCorner Posted on 26/06/2010 20:14
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

I thought the PFI schemes started under Conservative PM John Major?

In fact, I know they did.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 26/06/2010 20:37
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

"I thought the PFI schemes started under Conservative PM John Major?

In fact, I know they did."

Yup, but Labour to be fair used them far more then they were ever intended to be used.

In 20 years when the debts start being called in it'll be Brown and Blair the country will blame again.

PFI's are a license to print money.

HolgateCorner Posted on 26/06/2010 22:15
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

'labour to be fair used them far more than they were ever intended to be used'

That is pure conjecture, you have no idea what John Major would have done had he won the election in 1997.

What I do know is that balancing the books only became a problem after the banking crisis because Labour chose to support the economy in its time of need rather than abandon it to the free market. The Tories would probably have chosen a different route and that is up to them, but either way would have cost the country dearly and it is at best political opportunism and at worst totally dishonest to blame Gordon Brown for a deficit caused by a global problem.

I'm pleased Cameron has come clean at the G8.

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 26/06/2010 23:21
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

Labour used them like idiots use credit cards and morons use store cards.


HolgateCorner Posted on 26/06/2010 23:27
Cameron being exposed as a liar at the G8?

the debts will be repaid, we are a rich country that finds money for all sorts of things if we need to like staying in Afghanistan for 5 years, bankers massive bonuses and incentives for entrepreneurs to (hopefully) save our economy.

And somebody had to do something about rebuilding our crumbling hospitals and schools, they were becoming a national embarrassment, even the Tories were getting concerned that they might have to do something about them.