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ThePrisoner Posted on 03/03/2008 19:11
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Who was there? "Slated" apparently.

Holgate69 Posted on 03/03/2008 19:20
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Yeah I would like to know what he had to say. My money is on he criticised Slaven's for his negative comments on Century and blamed that for the negative attitude around the club,

I also would put money on the fact that he never paraised the rose tinited views of Brownliee for the positive aspects at the club.

Gibbo has lost a lot of respect over his small minded attitude and behaviour towards slaven

Be_Here_Soon Posted on 03/03/2008 19:27
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"Gibbo has lost a lot of respect over his small minded attitude and behaviour towards slaven"

I was one of those who lost a lot of respect for Gibson over this.

pierrequiroule Posted on 03/03/2008 19:32
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

" Gibbo has lost a lot of respect over his small minded attitude and behaviour towards slaven"

Not in my mind he hasn't. If I ran a business, and somebody was costantly slagging off my product I'd be a fool to want anything to do with them, let alone invite them in-house to criticise.

Bernie made the mistake of letting 'celebrity' get to his head. He began to think that most people agreed with everything he said, when the reality was that a large chunk of listeners/readers either didn't care or thought that he talked out of his ärse.

ThePrisoner Posted on 03/03/2008 19:34
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

How can Bernie pretend everything's rosy in the garden when we have been teetering on the brink of disaster all season, if not before and still retain some credibility?

Maybe Gibbo should listen to the hordes of Boro fans coming on the Legends and disagreeing with Bernie.


pierrequiroule Posted on 03/03/2008 19:36
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"How can Bernie pretend everything's rosy"

Did I say that? Thought not.

Holgate69 Posted on 03/03/2008 19:44
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

pierrequiroule with due respect that's B*******, football is all about opinions, most folk thoughtBrownliee spoke out of his ar@e but we did not believe that we were world beaters and would win every game 6-0 as he used to predict.

Slaven did talk a lot of c_rap at time just like brownliee but he also spoke a lot of sense at times and gave an honest opinion unllike Brownliee who saw everything through rose tinted specs. I though Gibbo was bigger than that.

He has made a big error by getting rid of Bernie and Ali doing the commenatary at the games and many people regret that.

What next is he going to ban fans for booing when they see S***e performances no because he wants our money

boro_Jim Posted on 03/03/2008 19:45
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

What negative comments has Bernie Slaven made?

Personally, I miss the Brownlee / Slaven away commentary.

sasboro1 Posted on 03/03/2008 19:55
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

theprisoner, apparently we have been riding high in the top half for last few season so any criticism is not allowed. Heard rumour that gibson has agreed that century can have commentary back provided they bin slaven. That sort of censorship you would expect from bob murray the old sunderland chairman.

Thing is with gibson is he does like to be critical but only once the manager/player has left. like smac, yak and viduka.

Its another season of under achieving at home and slaven hasnt been there to take the blame this time. Wonder who will get the blame this time, I see the crowds have continued to fall despite no slaven.

Trouble is bbc tees were told by the club not to get controversial. Notice no decent after match phone in?

onthemap Posted on 03/03/2008 20:00
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Slaven being proved right means that he will not be anywhere near the commentary booth unfortunately.

It grinds on the raras when it actually turns out that way, sticks in their throats.

Gibson is kidding himself if he thinks the team is above criticism.

ThePrisoner Posted on 03/03/2008 20:04
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"Trouble is bbc tees were told by the club not to get controversial. Notice no decent after match phone in?"

Yes I've noticed that. Mild disgruntlement is the most dissent permitted while simultaneously being countered by the presenters.
Worst thing is, I still don't know which presenter is which. One of them is Gary Gill isn't he?

tom_mate Posted on 03/03/2008 20:06
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Bernie gives credit where it's due, he just doesn't over react to mediocre performances and will say we're crap if we are.

The clubs decision to lose the century commentary was stupid and I bet there are people who don't go to games but used to listen to the matches who don't bother anymore. I for one don't listen to the games I don't go to anymore, I used to listen to every game but now I just watch Soccer Saturday.

pierrequiroule Posted on 03/03/2008 20:09
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

This has turned into the cliché thread. You're welcome to it.

AlBoro1984 Posted on 03/03/2008 20:09
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I used to really enjoy listening to away games I couldn't get to on century, now it's a chore just to listen to games on Tees. I know Ally was a bit OTT sometimes, but at least he added excitement to games. I've had more excitement being put on hold by the Boro ticket office than listening to Tees commentary.

Holgate69 Posted on 03/03/2008 20:11
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

why because nobody agrees with your arguement. Bit like Gibbo eh!! dummy out of the pram.


onthemap Posted on 03/03/2008 20:12
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

If it's not a fair reflection of what's happening on the pitch then it's not worth listening to.

If the radio commentary is being influenced in any way by the club, by Bernie being shut up, as he obviously is, then the listeners are being cheated, all you are being subjected to is a shameful advert attempting to relieve you of your wages.


pierrequiroule Posted on 03/03/2008 20:13
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I know when I'm licked Holgate - the cavalry have arrived. Got a boil to lance

Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 03/03/2008 20:17
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Did Boro Play well on Satrday and Wednesday. The answer is clearly no? Was there a large crowd on saturday? No so shoul;d bernie say that a good crowd turned up on saturday and witnessed a marvel of football. No. plaese let him contribute and reflect on his and the fans think.

yarmlad Posted on 03/03/2008 21:14
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"Yeah I would like to know what he had to say. My money is on he criticised Slaven's for his negative comments on Century and blamed that for the negative attitude around the club,"

What about the endless snide remarks made by the MOTD crew on BBC1 on wednesday night? It took them seconds to start criticising. Was that helpful to MFC or indeed people who had only just tuned in to watch what they hoped would be a good game?

There are ways and means of being negative. I just think that the MOTD lot and Slaven can be 'in your face' negative rather than maybe saying things like 'it wasn't the best of games'. A good reporter wouldn't report like the above mentioned persons have done.

HolgateCorner Posted on 03/03/2008 21:18
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I think Slaven will have contributed to the fall in crowds in recent seasons with his constant negative moaning.

Great player for the Boro, but bad news as a radio pundit I'm afraid.

Ivan_Drago Posted on 03/03/2008 21:21
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"Gibbo has lost a lot of respect over his small minded attitude and behaviour towards slaven"

Sadly I agree. He's still a legend but he's out of order this time, Slaven just said it how it is, he is negative by nature bu Brownlee was there alongside him.

Smac was the reason for people being negative he talked utter S***.

Oooo Posted on 03/03/2008 21:25
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

It is difficult to criticise Gibson without filly hearing his side of it. Slaven is on the radio all the time and people naturally sympathise with him. I miss the century phone in on the way home from the game but I do not miss Slaven's negative comments - used to drive me mad.

HolgateCorner Posted on 03/03/2008 21:26
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Sorry, but I stopped listening to Century on the basis of being sick of Bernie moaning night after night. He's definitely a glass half empty man is our Bernie.

Gibbo should lose no sleep over Slaven's demise on the radio, he did the right thing to break up that little source of negative thinking.

GillZean Posted on 03/03/2008 21:30
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

What Holgate Corner said.

Bernie's constant whining made me stop listening to Century years ago. He never had any decent patter either.

Obviously there are problems but we aren't going to solve them overnight, and having Slaven harping on about it isn't going to help us in the meantime. If you believe Ali's hyperbole, God help you, but at least he's funny.

alvesdad Posted on 03/03/2008 21:53
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Im a big Steve Gibson fan but i think hes got it wrong here
You can only report what you see is going on the pitch if we play crap it should be reported Slaven IMO was doing this job and if Steve did not like it he has started censorship
Also i dont know if he did not like Century but he should listen to BBC Tees it is dire and sounds like they cant say anything controversial about the game or the club I for one dont listen to away games. Steve sort it out and get Century back as Quick as you can

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 03/03/2008 22:32
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Regardless of the rights and wrongs I just find it incredible that these two could fall out so badly when they used to get on so well.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 03/03/2008 22:57
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I think there's a little bit of wrong on both sides here. Ultimately though, I thought Gibson had a bit more about him and would be able to rise above Bernie's criticisms. As a media pundit, Bernie's job is to give his opinion. Unfortunately, his job will always be more worthwhile when there's summat to criticise. Shows like football phone-ins thrive when there's the opportunity to be a bit controversial and when things aren't going so well.

To be fair, Gibson has a right to have a gripe with Slaven regarding some things said over the summer. For example, the Viduka situation, which Bernie blew out of all proportion and used it to criticise the club. The bottom line is that we could not and would not match Viduka's financial demands, irrespective of when we started negotiating. Just about every night on the phone in, there were fans slagging the club off over this and Bernie seemed to be encouraging them. Bernie also feared we would struggle this year unless we addressed the striker situation. Nowt wrong with that as it's fair and constructive criticism. That also seemed to hit a raw nerve with MFC.

I think Boro have said that it's the perceived negativity from MFC's point of view and that Bernie is supposed to be claiming to have the inside track at the club in addition to effectively making a living on the back of MFC. In other words, he bites the hand that feeds him.

I think Gibbo's making more of it than he needs to and could just collared Bernie and put him straight on a few things, thought without trying to censor his opinion. To be fair to Bernie, he's said he wont't get drawn into a slanging match out of respect to Gibbo and has been trying to speak to him to sort things out. It was not so long ago that Bernie would always refer to him as "The King of Teesside". It was actually Gibbo who sanctioned Slaven's transfer to Boro in the absence of then chairman Alf Duffield who was away on business at the time. It was also only a couple of years ago that Bernie got Gibson on the Legends show so he could have his say. That was a good bit of free PR that the club got.

Gibson's censorship in this case is almost Stalinist.

James Posted on 03/03/2008 23:13
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I was just going to say I think there's a little bit of wrong on both sides here. Ultimately though, I thought Gibson had a bit more about him and would be able to rise above Bernie's criticisms. As a media pundit, Bernie's job is to give his opinion. Unfortunately, his job will always be more worthwhile when there's summat to criticise. Shows like football phone-ins thrive when there's the opportunity to be a bit controversial and when things aren't going so well.

To be fair, Gibson has a right to have a gripe with Slaven regarding some things said over the summer. For example, the Viduka situation, which Bernie blew out of all proportion and used it to criticise the club. The bottom line is that we could not and would not match Viduka's financial demands, irrespective of when we started negotiating. Just about every night on the phone in, there were fans slagging the club off over this and Bernie seemed to be encouraging them. Bernie also feared we would struggle this year unless we addressed the striker situation. Nowt wrong with that as it's fair and constructive criticism. That also seemed to hit a raw nerve with MFC.

I think Boro have said that it's the perceived negativity from MFC's point of view and that Bernie is supposed to be claiming to have the inside track at the club in addition to effectively making a living on the back of MFC. In other words, he bites the hand that feeds him.

I think Gibbo's making more of it than he needs to and could just collared Bernie and put him straight on a few things, thought without trying to censor his opinion. To be fair to Bernie, he's said he wont't get drawn into a slanging match out of respect to Gibbo and has been trying to speak to him to sort things out. It was not so long ago that Bernie would always refer to him as "The King of Teesside". It was actually Gibbo who sanctioned Slaven's transfer to Boro in the absence of then chairman Alf Duffield who was away on business at the time. It was also only a couple of years ago that Bernie got Gibson on the Legends show so he could have his say. That was a good bit of free PR that the club got.

Gibson's censorship in this case is almost Stalinist.

But p_t_c_f_t just said it[:D]

Jimmy_boy Posted on 03/03/2008 23:21
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

In my view, Slavens opinion was often taken as gospel by a good chunk of vocally negative fans.

The Brownlee balancing act of positivety never seemed to get the same weight. Probably because as is often the case the vocal minority shout the loudest, and as an ex pro slaven supposedly "knows what he's on about".

Too often Bernie wouldn't know what was going on at the club ie, tickets and stuff like that and would say stuff that was inaccurate.

In the Viduka situation, look how right Gibson, Lamb, Southgate have been proved to be this season. Viduka has hardly payed and cost newcastle a small fortune in wages.

I like most people wanted viduka to stay, but the management of the club saw the inside track, looked at his overall contribution, wages, age etc and decided they wouldn't up the contract offer. As a result, the most vocal fans voiced their anger.

Once we the fans heard gibsons comments about Viduka and his overall worthiness of a new bumper contract, I think alot of us understand why the offer wasn't pushed higher. And now its been proved an excellent decision.

What the club needs to do is be better at communicating the reasoning over big issues. Thats why this new guy has been appointed, the club have finally recognised this fact.

For me the perception of the club on the radio was often negative, you can compare it to the TV news where its always bad stuff being reported. It you listen and watch it long enough it can be too easy to believe that thats all thats going on.


ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 03/03/2008 23:25
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

James, great minds think alike, eh? Jimmy boy, spot on. I think the club were genuinely worried about the negative influence Slaven was having, especially as sometimes he was wrong. Still think Gibbo and MFC have over-reacted though.

Jimmy_boy Posted on 03/03/2008 23:30
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Cheers PTCFT. May have over reacted but I think overall it will have a positive effect on the perception of the club. A clean sweep if you will

sasboro1 Posted on 03/03/2008 23:39
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

slaven was spot on about viduka leaving, club seemed to think they were confident he would stay. then afterwards gibson tried to save face by baning on about he felt uncomfortable with the deal we offered him(why offer it then?) and then had a rant that he didnt give a great return on value - so why spend 6 months chasing him to sign a new contract and not give up until he was at newcastle.

Club seemed the think slaven was having a negative effect on the fans and the crowd. But this season crowds are still falling.

Shame that gibson and lamb have fallen out with such a boro legend. But gibson can be stubborn

Football has got worse this season and it all stinks of censorship and gibson flexing his muscle.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 03/03/2008 23:48
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Sas, Boro were not prepared to match Viduka's financial demands. Newcastle (more fool them) were. All summer, people were ringing the Legends show criticising the club for not starting negotiations earlier. The point is, it wouldn't have mattered one jot. Viduka wanted more money than the club could afford. You would probably be one of the first to slate the club for any rise in season ticket prices that there would have been to finance any new deal for Viduka. If Viduka had been getting paid what he wanted only to do as little for us as he'd done for Newcastle, no doubt you'd have been rightly criticising the club for giving him a new deal that didn't represent value for money. He would have had no sell-on value either. It would have been nice to keep Viduka, but on OUR terms. Unfortunately, this wasn't possible.

Jimmy_boy Posted on 04/03/2008 00:00
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Sas, your wrong there though.

Crowds recently during the unbeaten run were actually rising! The club have even said so. The number of BORO fans was going up slowly by about 1000 a game. The "drop" was due to the opposition bringing a small number.

Re Viduka contract the club is hardly going to come out with a load of negative stuff while negiotions are on going. If we could have got viduka on a contract we were offering then he would have stayed.

The fact is he wanted more and we weren't prepared to give it. Only then once he's out the door does it become tenable to be more open about the discussions.

sasboro1 Posted on 04/03/2008 00:02
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

just think the club have contradicted themselves over viduka, for 6 months we were desperate for him to sign and didnt give up until the day he signed for newcastle. then afterwards gibson claims he was uncomfortable with what we offered him and then later wen onto say viduka didnt offer a great return while at boro. So if that was the case then why so desperate for him to resign in the first place? surely you would have moved on and looked elsewhere long before newcastle came in.

Jimmy_boy, crowds are down (about 5%) on last season with only liverpool and sunderland breaking 30,000

collo1875 Posted on 04/03/2008 00:03
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

How many people are slightly upset with gareth half blaming the crowds atmosphere for the loss on saturday (which i am)
will mr gibson say anything about that (probably not)
but if mr slaven said it there would be uproar
i have nothing against gibson but i really think it goes deeper than a commentry
i think slaven should tell you how he sees every game as he sees it otherwise he shouldnt be commentating (do you really want him to be like andy gray) up the four top clubs a-rses

Jimmy_boy Posted on 04/03/2008 00:19
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Sas, I think the club did want Viduka to sign, and that they really tried to keep him at the club right to the end, totally agree with that. But part of the process of being "desparate" for him to sign is to make him feel wanted and to try and get him to stay on the best possible terms for the club.

ie you dont want to spend £60,000 a week if you can do the same thing spending £52,000. Thats business, thats negioation.

The club wants to go through the process so that its in the best interests of the club, ie trying to keep to a structure and retain someone within limits. But sometimes in contract discussions there comes a point where one party walks away. Obviously he became too expensive and / or he got a better offer elsewhere.

At the end of the day we couldnt keep him on a contract that was offered by us. I'm quite happy with that. Look at the costs newcastle have incured - see todays press. They spent something like 75% of turnover on wages last year!!! Ridiculous.

Crowds have reduced, no doubt about that , but recently on the back of a decent run and alves signing they started to go up. A lack of opposition fans coming here had an effect on the TOTAL crowd attendance, but of that attendance figure, the BORO element was starting to rise a little. The Reading game at the weekend was obviously effected by Readings low turnout and our 2nd home game in a week.

Re Southgates comments about the flat crowd on Saturday, I think he was just stating fact. I don't read anything into it. I dont think any blame was attached or meant. The team was flat. The crowd was flat. Some would say, so was the beer!

Timboi Posted on 04/03/2008 03:00
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

The club are not above criticism - of course nobody/nothing is. Even god cops it occasionally.
However, I personally think Bernie was a whingeing git. I live in Oz and until this last season, the majority of Boro games were not available to watch on TV so I've spent many years listening to Bernie on Century online.
The amount of games I listened to and thought we must have been the worst team on earth, only to find the next day that none of the papers portrayed it the same way (in fact some made us sound like almost a football team) was quite incredible.
I agree that criticism is called for sometimes but he really took it to a new level. In that voice of his as well......

zzzzz Posted on 04/03/2008 07:09
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Frankly IMO the vast majority of Boro fans couldnt give a flying fk about Bernie Slaven being taken off the matchday commentary.

The only ones making a regular boring fuss are Bernie's mates. Poor Bernie has had his profile reduced to the phone in and the numbers are dwindling. It's a sad attempt to generate more publicity for himself.

The only one to come of the Bernie situation with any credit is Gibson who rightly has said fk all about it since Century lost their commentary rights.

I suspect Gibson as bored with it as most of the rest of us.

scoea Posted on 04/03/2008 09:05
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

What's the big deal?

Slaven made a living out of the club and bit the hand that fed him. He was over the top and neither his nor Brownlee's comments had any foundation in reality - they simply didn't reflect what was happening on the pitch.

Gibson simply cut off an avenue that he had control of that did the club no favours.

Don't like the current radio commentary? Go to the match and make your own mind up then.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/03/2008 09:14
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

So will we be barring the rest of the football press from the ground now? We get a roasting most weeks, and rightly so, in the press. We're a dour side, we don't play attractive football, we rarely entertain.

I watch a lot of my games abroad, we're not very popular viewing at all, the groans last week when it was realised that Liverpool v. Boro was the live game were rather audible, it turned into not a bad game either.

Boromart Posted on 04/03/2008 09:15
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I think some people just enjoy slagging the club off. IT seems to me that people are slating the club for wanting to sign Viduka, and slating the club for letting him go....in the same paragraph.

I don't think the club have contradicted tehmselves in any way. They wanted to sign a contract with Viduka in January. He said, nope wait until summer. We tried again in summer and he then played us and the jawdees off to get the best deal (I have no problem with that, he is a free agent). They payed more than we were prepared to pay, and gave a longer contract than we were prepared to give. The differance here isn't just the odd 5-10K from hi sprevious contract, it's 20K x 104 weeks = 2 million PLUS a 3rd years wages that we didn't want to offer = another 3mill. Thats a big commitment and we decided not to do that.

After the event Gibbo has basically given a 'told you so' statement regarding the value for money. He is speaking his mind in public, but thats what you get with a chairman who is also a fan, if he was just a hardnosed businessman with no passion for the club then the same people slatting him on this subject, would slate him for that aswell. He can't win.

Regarding Bernie, the club do not owe him a living, why should they. If he wants to slate the club with factually innacurate comments on a regular basis, then why should the club maintain good relations with him? He bit the hand that feeds him, when you do that you starve. It isn't a case of 'censorship', the club do not have the ability to censor him, it's a case of refusing to help him in his quest to slag and belittle the club.

scoea Posted on 04/03/2008 09:16
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Big difference Cat - we're used to outsiders attacking us unjustly. Slaven was supposed to be 'one of us'

Norman_Knobsock Posted on 04/03/2008 09:22
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Forgetting about Slavens negative attitude for a moment, what used to annoy me was his inability to do any research and know even the most simplest of facts about the club he was meant to represent, and for that reason alone he did more harm than good.


Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/03/2008 09:22
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

He is one of us. He's a Boro fan who told what he saw. He criticised when due, praised when due. He rarely had the opportunity to do the latter over his last couple of years commentating, if you don't realise that then you love the Boro but not football.

Gibson chose to blame his commentating on the fans' view of the team. How naive. These blokes have been watching football for years, regardless of who has been writing or commentating on games, the crowds have generally refelected what's going on. It's noticeable that the crowds are still dipping, despite the so called attractive football we are playing.

Gibson let himself down.

ccole Posted on 04/03/2008 09:25
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

“Bernie tells it as it is”…. The problem with Slaven though, if a game was 50% positive, he would/does spend 95% of his time telling us about the negatives.

Then you get some t1t phoning his show to say “Well Bernie, a mate of mine has been told that the club have done this….” Bernie replies, “well if that is the case it’s a joke” and will spend the next hour(s) slating the club with other callers and the Geordie pish head based on some rumour some numpty has called in with. No fact, just rumour. And he doesn’t let it go.

Then there is his double standards. You see, for those that don’t remember him, Bernie Slaven never had a bad game for Boro. His teams never played a ball over 12 yards, and his teams never lost to “weaker” opposition. He also never left the ground like a petulant child because the team selection wasn’t how he wanted it. It’s a long time since Bernie was a professional footballer, and it shows.

Also he slated the club over the way the Centaury deal was lost with MFC and the fact that “no-one form MFC would come clean”. Seemed the same situation when Gatesy left the station and it was all very hush hush, but I don’t recall Slaven slating the Century management over it.

I e-mailed that station several times to explain why I thought it was good that the commentary had moved, however I think it got lost in the “we love you Bernie” e-mails, or they just didn’t want to give an alternative view.



My favourite ever Boro player, but he is a fooking embarrassment on that show

Well done Gibbo!

Boromart Posted on 04/03/2008 09:25
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Gibson has seen this side win it's first trophy, and get to a UEFA cup final in the last couple of years, as well as reach it's highest premier league finish. This has been done by a lot of hard work by all involved.....yet during that period of time, Slaven constantly slated us, and made us the fall guy for Alckys sly digs. I'd be a bit pished off if we were slated MORE during that period than before Gibbo arrived and we were a club in absolute tatters.

wilkos_perm Posted on 04/03/2008 09:26
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

i agree with scoea and zzzzz. Slaven was a good player for us and is sometimes entertaining but he is often ill informed and invites comment on things that simply aren't true. I really don't see why people are so obsessed with this situation and it is bizarre that some people seem to follow his views like he is the gospel on everything.
The Radio Tees commentary isn't as bad as people make out anyway, it just isn't full of cliches and extreme opinions.

woodymfc Posted on 04/03/2008 09:27
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

What does it matter what Gibson said about Slaven
Neither of them can be right all the time and have not been

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 04/03/2008 09:29
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Ali's play by play commentary is on another level in my opinion. He always gives good detail as to where the ball actually is on the field. Sometimes on Cleveland you don't know where the ball is till it's in the net.

fatharrywhite Posted on 04/03/2008 09:32
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"He is one of us. He's a Boro fan "

he's a celtic fan - end of story. if we'd drawn them in the UEFA cup he wouldnt have been supporting us...



wilkos_perm Posted on 04/03/2008 09:34
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Chris i used to think that until the last couple of seasons when he lost the plot a bit.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/03/2008 09:34
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Have you talked to him Harry?

I'm a Celtic fan too, and Billy Town, but I'm still a Boro fan.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 04/03/2008 09:36
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I'm not having a go but I watch Soccer Saturday now rather than listen to Cleveland. I also know a lot of people who do the same.

scoea Posted on 04/03/2008 09:36
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Spot on. That is my biggest criticism of him. For a so called expert he knew very little and clearly didn't do any research.

By the way, if anyone thinks that Gibson believes that Slaven is responsible for the attitude of Teesside then it is they that are naive. He simply saw someone that didn't do the club any favours and who he had direct control over. Easy decision made.

captain5 Posted on 04/03/2008 09:37
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Chris - Could Century have guaranteed that we would have had full match coverage every game even when Sunderland and Newcastle were playing at the same time??

Don't they only have two frequencies??


ccole Posted on 04/03/2008 09:39
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Slaven isn’t/wasn’t the reason for the negative feel or the drop in crowds, but he was undoubtedly a contributing factor.

Captain – No they couldn’t guarantee full match commentary of MFC, which is why their first offer was low.

But like his supporters and Bernie himself, don’t let any sensible commercial reasons cloud your judgment of the bloke who saved our club and who has actually paid to watch us in the past, unlike some other “fans”


TheSmogMonster Posted on 04/03/2008 09:41
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Century put in a crap bid for the commentry because they had both the Newcastle and Sunderland games.

I've got to say Bernies lack of knowledge over what was going on at the club was frightening for a proffessional pundit.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 04/03/2008 09:43
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

They would have guaranteed that yeah. My understanding is that they can split the South Transmission altough I wasn't really that interested in the technical bit to be honest. They did want all three and if they get all three next season then we'll see what happens. This talk of they got Sunderland rights so put in a poor offer for us is absolutely rubbish.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 04/03/2008 09:44
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

No-one knows the details of the bid.

half_a_bar_on Posted on 04/03/2008 09:49
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

The Radio Tees commentary isn't as bad as people make out anyway,
Having a laugh are'nt you, Do you listen to the Archers

captain5 Posted on 04/03/2008 09:49
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Chris - Bernie said himself at a charity do he did for MND in Marske that it was a crap bid.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 04/03/2008 09:52
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Well I suppose I sit corrected then.

captain5 Posted on 04/03/2008 09:55
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Well, I don't think I'd blame my bosses in public, because that's what he did.

I'd have said 'for commercial reasons'.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 04/03/2008 09:57
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Most of the things I've read on here about all this are a long way wide of the mark. I'm just hoping that it can be sorted for next season. I want my seat back. Suppose a regular column in FMTTM will be some consolation.

rubber_soles Posted on 04/03/2008 10:04
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

So can anyone sum up what happened? Just to save me reading through 60 odd posts.

guyb Posted on 04/03/2008 10:07
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

If I have one criticism of Gibson and I do, it's this.

He bears grudges and takes them out in public. For such a great and succesful man, its at odds with the image of the best chairman in football and I can't be alone in cringing when I hear him pontificating on Maclaren, Yakubu, Viduka, Slaven and anybody else who's "crossed" him. Even the editor of this esteemed publication has been on the wrong end of a Gibson state-threat.

You're the best chairman in the league already, don't become a small town Donald Trump - it's beneath you.

zaphod Posted on 04/03/2008 10:24
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Why is this such a big deal? Maybe it's because I live away from Teesside & have never heard Slaven, but this whole hoo-ha seems profoundly unimportant. Can someone enlighten me why people think otherwise?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/03/2008 10:26
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Never heard of Slaven?

fordprefect Posted on 04/03/2008 10:35
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Not sure what Gibson said, But from my very brief attempts to listen to the legends, which usually lasts 10mins max before wanting to smash the radio, it could be the fact that Bernie comments on things he has no knowledge on. Ticket office, players contracts/ wages, young players getting games,transfer targets and so on.
He fails to stand up to Alchy when he says such obviously wrong things about the Boro. One example is the one about the Liverpool game at home.The bloke rang in saying Boro wouldnt sell him tickets. alchy gets on his high horse of course, Only at the Boro blah blah in that smarmey, sneering tone of his. Turns out the bloke wanted liverpool seats and then asked for Boro seats cos it was sold out and was told no. Even then alchy said it would only happen at Boro, that NUFC would have sold an away fan tickets for the home end. Bernie stance was what? Yeah fair enough Malcolm.
So that may be one of the reasons the club/gibson has had enough.

As for not being welcome at the Boro, his car was there on saturday so whats he on about.

captain5 Posted on 04/03/2008 10:39
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

He can't have been there.

Someone on here said he was banned from the ground last week.

Gibbo had probably just stolen his car and was going to dump it in the Tees after the match.

sasboro1 Posted on 04/03/2008 10:41
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spot on guyb. His bitterness to smac is disappointing. he might not be a popular friend but for winning the carling cup and the uefa cup he deserves respect and should be welcome at the stadium anytime.

in the end, next season we shall see if gibson has got his wish and century comes back without slaven.

all a bit sad when you think what slaven gave to this club.


captain5 Posted on 04/03/2008 10:44
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Where's the new found love for McClaren come from, sas??

Did it take him leaving for you to be convinced about him??

I don't think I've ever heard that he is unwelcome at the stadium. Where did you hear that??

Bandy Posted on 04/03/2008 11:00
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

:)

Boromart Posted on 04/03/2008 11:05
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

sas likes Smac now because he hsa become a weapon to beat Gibbo and the club with. The reason why Gibbo has problems with Smac are plainly obvious - Leeds and Newcastle. It's about the fact we gave him a big opportunity and he tried on more than one occasion to abuse that.

Gibbo shouldn't have been so public with it, but thats what you get with a chairman/fan rather than a chairman/business investor.

To be fair to Gibbo he has also publically made peace with Smac.

sasboro1 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:08
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

who says I love or like smac?

its not a weapon to beat anyone up it is having professional respect for someone. Gibson was silly to tell the world that he wasnt on his xmas card list. out of respect for winning us the cup he should always be welcome and on good terms.

Critical_Bill Posted on 04/03/2008 11:09
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Why didn't Gibson give McClaren his cards after his dalliances with the Leeds and Newcastle jobs?
Bleating about how unhappy he was about the situations years later was a bit petty.

Boromart Posted on 04/03/2008 11:10
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

he is welcome and on moderately good terms, so why are you still lambasting Gibbo?

Boromart Posted on 04/03/2008 11:12
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Bill, because it would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. It would have cost millions to remove Smac. We would then have had to go and get a new manager, which would have cost more. That new manager would want new coaches, and new players.

The fall out would have been millions. That is the silliest suggestion you have ever made, and thats saying something.

sasboro1 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:14
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I'm not lambasting gibson, jsut saying he becomes disrespectful to people who have served this club very well.

littledick Posted on 04/03/2008 11:20
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Wonder what MFC (Gibbo's) view would be if Radio Tees (Cleveland [:D]) employed Ali & Bernie next season as their commentators ?

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 04/03/2008 11:20
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Disrespectful?

McClaren and Slaven hardly endeared themselves to him with their own agendas did they?


Boromart Posted on 04/03/2008 11:21
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"who have served this club very well." -- that statement is entirely contradictory to your view on the Smac regime at the time.

Exactly Heaton. Smac disrespected the club that game him a blank canvass and to show what he could do. We invested a lot in him personally. It's like joining a company, doing 10K worth of training, then walking out the day you receive your certificate to take a job with someone else.

...and Slavens lack of respect during hte Lennie regime is legendary. Walking out of a game at half time because the BOSS doesn't decide to play tactics that Slaven, a player, DEMANDS.


Bandy Posted on 04/03/2008 11:22
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

here we go again with the hidden "agendas"

welcome back Briggsy!

sasboro1 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:25
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

boromart, he won us our first trophy. gibson should be professional and have that respect. not going round and the media he isnt on his xmas card list. personally he may not get on with him but professionally he should respect him

Boromart Posted on 04/03/2008 11:26
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I agree Sas, I said so earlier. Gibson is not without his faults, but fair play to him, he said in public recently that he apologised to him, so I'm not sure why some people are still making a point of it. It's petty.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 04/03/2008 11:34
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Nowt hidden about any "agenda".

Mac looked to fook off and go to Leeds / Newcastle, and used this club as a stepping stone to further his career. His own agenda. Wrong?

Bernie went too far down the path of believing all the bullsh*t that was being spread round Teesside regarding everything bad to do with Boro. Subsequently his negativity and lack of research and balanced arguments cost him. Bernie had f*ck all positive to say about the club in the end.....why, well god knows. I like Bernie, but his "agenda" whatever that was became unbearable. Came across as a bitter ex-pro, playing footy 20 years too early.

Pity really. Would like to see him back with Ali, but not going to happen is it?

sasboro1 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:35
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

did anyone ever find out what Slavens "agenda" was or was it jsut soemthing made up on here?

Critical_Bill Posted on 04/03/2008 11:40
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

sas, it became a buzzword on here, despite no-one really having a clue what it was.

bear66 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:47
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Does anyone think the BBC Tees commentaries and phone-ins are much better than Century were?

I quite like the commentaries in that they are quite factual but the rest of the 'package' is rubbish? Century had a much better 'package'

bear66 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:47
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Does anyone think the BBC Tees commentaries and phone-ins are much better than Century were?

I quite like the commentaries in that they are quite factual but the rest of the 'package' is rubbish? Century had a much better 'package'

number9 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:48
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

i find it hard to believe some of what has been said on this thread? Slaven is a parasite and proberbly would have gone onto the Darlo or Port Vale radio if offered it.

Gibson has provided A new stadium, PL football, European football, our first silverware and signings I never thought i'd see at the boro. He must have spent/gaurenteed well over £150mill. And some on this boared reckon they have lost some respect for him?

Idiots.

Bandy Posted on 04/03/2008 11:49
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

no offence to agry gill and paul addison, they are good and know the game but do we really need to know about darlo and hartlepool and listen to dave penny and danny wilson droaning on for half an hour after OUR game!

bear66 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:51
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"Gibson has provided A new stadium, PL football, European football, our first silverware and signings I never thought i'd see at the boro."

Things are moving on - now rich owners can buy cups, Euro football most seasons and 40 points by the end of February - we're going backwards in this respect

number9 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:54
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

bear66 in all sincerity you are without a doubt the biggest muppett currently alive on the planet. in fact i reckon you are depriving some idiot of life.

sasboro1 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:54
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"i find it hard to believe some of what has been said on this thread? Slaven is a parasite and proberbly would have gone onto the Darlo or Port Vale radio if offered it."

not while he is with century, Think you seem to have forgotten that he works in broadcasting so may work at some point at other radio stations. for example john hendrie has worked for non north east radio stations.

number9, seems a right idiot with hurling insults. doesnt make you look big or clever

MFC1967 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:57
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number9.... While i agree with your points on Gibson totally... i also think that your comment on 'Slaven is a parasite' a bit ott.... have you forgot the goals he scored for us?...Yes he was paid for them but he too played his part in our 'rise from the ashes' in the mid to late 80s.... who knows where we would have been without Slavens 147 goals....i just think he deserves a bit more respect thats all..
p.s.... ive now got my hard hat on and im ducking for cover [;)]

bear66 Posted on 04/03/2008 11:59
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I'd duck for cover if I were you - you might be joining me in the muppet show

number9 Posted on 04/03/2008 12:02
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

sasboro1

it is my considered opinion that when I was a lad retired footballers open a pub now they are just talking heads on the radio or TV. They have to be controversial in order to get ratings. Bad ratings = opening a pub.

I have NO time for any ex-player pontificating about the boro. i have no argument with Bernie’s record as a player but in the end all he's looking to do is earn a crust. I stopped listening to century a year ago as i was sick and tired of the woe is me calls every time we were beaten and Bernie’s constant "I know what’s wrong" attitude yet he chooses to stay on the radio to criticize which proves he has not got the balls to get involved in management.

There’s an old saying:

Those who can do, those who can't teach. Which could be put another way:

"Those who can manage those who can't become pundits"

I thought my isults where rather neat?

piquet2 Posted on 04/03/2008 12:10
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"no offence to agry gill and paul addison, they are good and know the game but do we really need to know about darlo and hartlepool and listen to dave penny and danny wilson droaning on for half an hour after OUR game!"

I remember missing a goal in commentary on an away game while the Century coverage was interrupted because there had been a goal at St James'

ThePrisoner Posted on 04/03/2008 12:17
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

*basks in glow of ton post*

bosshogg Posted on 04/03/2008 12:51
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Gibbo needs to grow up IMO!!

Why publicly state anyone, it just makes him seem bitter, twisted and as pathetic as those he publicly attacks!!

He's losing his shine! I always admired his ability to stay out of the limelight, but now..........

BenJammin Posted on 04/03/2008 13:04
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

On this Century/BBC Tees thing. Have I got this wrong, (I read it in Ali Brownlees book) but the exclusive rights to match commentary went to auction and TFM, Century and BBC Tees bid. BBC Tees made the highest bid so they got the contract?

I don't see how anyone has an issue with this if it is the case. Surely the main priority is to make as much money for the club to be invested in the team for those that actually go the games as opposed to pandering to a few people who want to sit at home and listen to it on the radio.

So Bernie lost part of his job, so what, I don't feel sorry for him at all. He's well off, has a comfortable life and still works. Would you have felt as sorry for the BBC Tees team if they had lost the contract? I watched Gary Gill play in the same team as Slaven, I consider him just as much a legend (as I do Bernie).

Boromart Posted on 04/03/2008 13:12
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"I don't see how anyone has an issue with this if it is the case. " -- the way I read it is that everything you said is true. But then Slaven went public about it, stating that the fans actually wanted Century and him. It seems an arrogant standpoint to me, he thinks he is some kind of superstar footballing commentator. It also completely misses the point that the club can give the contract to whomever they see fit.

Slaven has made a mountain out of a molehill.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 04/03/2008 13:19
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Gibson`s made the biggest blunder of his career here.

He`s completley lost the fans, and i don`t see a way back for him.

We HAVE been crap. Thats down to HIS managerial appointment, and HIS new managers choice of players.

Blaming a local radio pundit is as bizarre as it is unwise.

I think this could ultimately lead to Gibson`s position becoming untenable.

number9 Posted on 04/03/2008 13:23
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See the link hell it even looks like bernie


Link: link

MAD_POG Posted on 04/03/2008 13:25
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2 points - on the commentary, while as sometimes i would want to smash the radio with bernie & ally i would still listen because it was entertaining. BBC TEES is awful and i even listened to 5live for the liverpool game. If Gibsons aim was to drive fans to listening/keeping up to date on games via the national media then he has suceeded but we all know how negative thay can be about boro and this can not be a good thing.

Bernie wether you like it or not shares a view of the game which is how most people i know see the game. After Aston Villa last year i came back from the match and seriously thought about stopping going it was that bad. if steve gibson thought Bernie was in any way responsible for a life long fan like me being negative then as Keith Lamb put it "myself & Steve felt we had become out of touch with the fans" seems to be very true.
This year i now go for the "day" and have stopped caring about the performance to some extent, other than the ticket and beer the club does not see a penny of my money through the shop etc. as through one decision after another they just will not listen to fans.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 04/03/2008 13:26
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"I think this could ultimately lead to Gibson`s position becoming untenable"

[:D] [:D] [:D]


Critical_Bill Posted on 04/03/2008 13:29
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Benjammin, you consider Gary Gill to be a legend?
He was the worst of 'Brucies babes'.

BenJammin Posted on 04/03/2008 13:31
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

The only question as far as I'm concerned is, Did BBC Tees make a bigger offer than Century. If they did then all these arguments are ridiculous....you should start moaning to Bernie about getting a job at BBC Tees and not at the club.

Bernie_was_right. You think Gibson complaining that Bernie being too negative is affecting the fans is the biggest mistake of his career? I bet he really worries about that when he sits in his luxury mansion overseeing his business empire and Premier League football club!

UgoAfro Posted on 04/03/2008 13:35
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Gary Gill was a legend for about 2 and a half games around Easter 1989 when he strangely morphed into Bryan Robson and looked like the midfield dynamo to lead us to safety. He then broke his leg and that was that.

I remember Bruce once stated that Gill did a lot of "unseen work". Either that or he was just crap.

Boromart Posted on 04/03/2008 13:40
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"lead to Gibson`s position becoming untenable" -- lol, if falling out with an ex-player/radio pundit leads to the fans not wanting Gibbo, then we truly are the worst most delluded idiot fans in the whole history of football.

Now put your rod away or grow a brain, for your own sake I hope it's the former. Jees the debating on this site has reaaaaalllllllyyyyy gone down hill recently.

ccole Posted on 04/03/2008 13:47
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

“He`s completley lost the fans, and i don`t see a way back for him”

Correction, he lost SOME fans, and some like the way he shares information with us, when needs be.


BenJammin Posted on 04/03/2008 13:49
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Yes I consider Gary Gill a legend.

I consider all of Riochs team in 1986 to be legends.

OK, maybe Gary Gill wasn't the best player we had then but he gave everything he had for the team. He even played on with a broken leg to try and keep us up and in the end had to retire early beacuse he gave so much while injured.

Compare someone like him to Bernie who was constantly shouting his mouth off in the press as soon as something didn't go his way, then yes I consider him a legend.

Monkey_Spunk_Moped Posted on 04/03/2008 13:52
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Boro fans aren't daft, they know when we're playing well and they know when we're playing shiite. They don't need Slaven or anyone else to tell them what they already know and so if Gibson believes that 10,000+ fans are staying away because of a radio presenter then he's more deluded than that lot up the road.

Critical_Bill Posted on 04/03/2008 14:00
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Now Gary Hamilton was a legend, who gave his career by playing while injured.
Gilly drifted down the leagues and found his level.

bear66 Posted on 04/03/2008 14:01
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"The only question as far as I'm concerned is, Did BBC Tees make a bigger offer than Century. "

Haven't heard any answers to this. Does anyone (really) know?

Critical_Bill Posted on 04/03/2008 14:03
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

BBC Tees must've blown a vast amount of their budget (supplied by the license payers) judging by the shyte they have on that station padding out the rest of the week.

sasboro1 Posted on 04/03/2008 14:05
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

you get in the car after a drab 1-0 defeat against reading and expect some after match analysis from bbc tees and all you get is interviews with darlo and hartlepool players. at half time they talk about hartlepool and darlo games.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 04/03/2008 14:05
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Remember that match wher Gill broke his leg - Tommy Johnson told him to run it off.

Who was it against - Everton?

piquet2 Posted on 04/03/2008 14:06
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"you get in the car after a drab 1-0 defeat against reading and expect some after match analysis from bbc tees and all you get is interviews with darlo and hartlepool players. at half time they talk about hartlepool and darlo games."

Century used to talk about the Sunderland and Newcastle games.

Critical_Bill Posted on 04/03/2008 14:07
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Everton was the game where he had his one good game for the club.
He broke his leg in the next home game against southampton I think.

alvesdad Posted on 04/03/2008 14:07
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

just to say to benjammin its not that BBC Tees won the franchise its wether they were told what to do. Have you heard anything negative about the boro this season even when we have played crap on Tees not on your life Slaven did say what he saw on the pitch and obviosly had Steve up in arms what else could have made this a talking point

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 04/03/2008 14:08
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Think you could well be right Vinny.

His "one good game" - did'nt he score that day?

piquet2 Posted on 04/03/2008 14:08
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I've heard Gary Gill and Paul Addison both slating performances.

Critical_Bill Posted on 04/03/2008 14:11
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

heaton, he didn't score but he did burst through on goal and hit the post. Bernie scored from the rebound.

UgoAfro Posted on 04/03/2008 14:39
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Ironically.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 04/03/2008 21:14
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"Gibson`s made the biggest blunder of his career here.

He`s completley lost the fans, and i don`t see a way back for him.

We HAVE been crap. Thats down to HIS managerial appointment, and HIS new managers choice of players.

Blaming a local radio pundit is as bizarre as it is unwise.

I think this could ultimately lead to Gibson`s position becoming untenable."





Either this is a wind-up or this is the most STUPID comment ever made on here.

Timboi Posted on 04/03/2008 22:05
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

If people are actually siding with Bernie over Gibbo about this, excuse my french but you are F***-wits.

Carry on.

cmon_boro1 Posted on 04/03/2008 23:12
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

i think we should definately do some kind of protest or petition to get century back on the air because i dont know about you but i think bbc tees is a load of sh**e.century with ali and bernie is greatly missed around teeside!!

bear66 Posted on 04/03/2008 23:15
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"If people are actually siding with Bernie over Gibbo about this"

About what exactly?

Timboi Posted on 04/03/2008 23:24
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

It appears some people are siding with Bernie about this whole situation and having a go at Gibbo for his apparent position regarding Bernie. I'd have thought my statement was fairly obvious.

I know who I'd say has the clubs interest more at heart.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 04/03/2008 23:28
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Even taking into consideration and respect for Brucie's Babes, I have never been a lover of Bernie.

People forget about him going on strike whilst Lennie was in charge and Bernie was due to go out to grass.

br14 Posted on 05/03/2008 04:02
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

People who phone in to talk shows seldom do it because they're comfortable with whats going on - they usually do it because they're worried or whingers. Slaven can hardly disagree with them all or the show does.

Fact is "The Legends" is mildly interesting if theres nothing else on the radio, but would be completely boring if Slaven wasn't on there causing mayhem.

I think our exalted leader missed the boat on this one. I hadn't even considered Slaven as negative until Steve Gibson pointed it out.

The idea that many Boro fans would be influenced by Slavens negativity is rather patronising. For the most part we're not complete idiots and can make our own decision based on results on the field.

Ironically despite my disagreeing with Slaven earlier in the season he's been proved right in his comments about strikers. Though I think thats coincidence rather than insight and the decisions that were made by the club are for the long term.

I do think Mr Gibson has been a little too outspoken this season and I'm not sure it's good for the clubs image.

Timboi Posted on 05/03/2008 04:28
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Slaven's comments are like Notradamus (sp?) - eventually you're going to get something right.

Slaven's negativity may not effect everyone (I'd disagree with Gibbo being patronising - the general public is, in general, quite stupid and easily led) but I'd put money there's a large proportion of fans that have been polarised by his comments. Just reading this message board and the way people slate the club at any turn makes me think he might have a point. Not much of an excuse is needed for some.

I agree that Gibbo has been a bit more outspoken than he should have been at times, but that's his nature and if we have that tiny character flaw to tolerate for what he's done for the club then it's a good deal IMO.

br14 Posted on 05/03/2008 04:43
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I take it you don't include yourself in the "the general public" then [:)].

Take away Slaven and you'll find just as many people whining and taking contrary positions.

In any relationship, emotions like love and hate are fine, the worst reaction is indifference. People argue and whine because they care - when they stop caring they stop coming.

The trick the club missed was to embrace Slaven, not alienate him.

Timboi Posted on 05/03/2008 05:17
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True - there are plenty of whiners out there, as this board (and previous incarnation) has shown. When you've got a very public whiner, though, who just seems to constantly critisize the club then I can see how that might P*** a person off - you're not really going to want them as a form of media mouthpiece.

I think you're oversimplfying with the love and hate thing. There is middle ground, which is not necessarily indifference. You don't have to be one or the other to an extreme. I think people caring is good, but when whining is all it is, then it's not a good thing.

I'm sure there were times when Bernie said nice things about the club but in my memory there aren't many at all. I'm not against critisim of the club - they're not perfect - but I think they've copped an unfair amount of flack from the B-man.


joseph99 Posted on 05/03/2008 07:14
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Bernie is a thick ignorant sweaty sock who has sponged off the club, directly and indirectly for far too long (endless schite books, BoroTV, Century), to line his greedy pockets for many years. Without MFC his intellect would be having him cleaning windows for a living. FFS, he still can't speak sound English after years of public speaking.

However, Gibbo should not have gone personal on such matters - I thought he was bigger than that.

BenJammin Posted on 05/03/2008 07:23
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Lets not forget that Slaven openly admits that he did not try in the play off semi final second leg away to Notts County in 1991. I was gutted after that game.

As for a protest about getting Century on air. Century are still on air and Ali and Bernie are still on it. Not quite sure what you want to protest about. They bid for the rights to the games and BBC Tees bid more, get over it.

Boromart Posted on 05/03/2008 09:03
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"He broke his leg in the next home game against southampton I think." -- it was that fat coont 'Budgie' Burridge falling on him wasn't it?

"Have you heard anything negative about the boro this season even when we have played crap on Tees not on your life" -- Century is tabloid radio, it's the lack of balance and the way they project the negativity to meet an agenda that rattles those of us who can see it.....they deal in sensationalism. They do this because it gets better listening figures.

The BBC do not have such commercial pressures and are therefore able to report in facts. Although that doesn't stop the odd presenter putting the odd daft personal opinion.

bear66 Posted on 05/03/2008 09:18
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"They bid for the rights to the games and BBC Tees bid more, get over it."

Is that a FACT? I haven't seen anything in the public domain about this so perhaps you have some inside knowledge?

Boromart Posted on 05/03/2008 09:26
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

a few people have quoted Bernie as stating it as fact that BBC offered more than Century.

ccole Posted on 05/03/2008 09:28
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?


Didn’t the main man from Centaury come out and say that they went back with a revised bid?

Translated means our first bid was shyte and when we thought we were losing the deal, we upped our offer to get near the BBC?

Shame on the club. We should have taken lees money for the rights so the people who don’t go to the matches can listen to there favorite commentators.

BenJammin Posted on 05/03/2008 10:42
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"Is that a FACT? I haven't seen anything in the public domain about this so perhaps you have some inside knowledge?"

It said so in Ali Brownlees autobiography. I think Century got the rights to Newcastle and they'd rather focus on that (understandable really).

fordprefect Posted on 05/03/2008 11:16
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I will always be be thankful for what slaven did in the rise from div 3 to 1 but lets face it he did storm out of the ground during a game, he did go on strike and didnt try during the Notts county game. His problems with Lennie were due to him being at the end of his career, he was slow and had a long term back problem. He didnt shine in the lower divisions did he, so lennie moving him on was right.
As for the phone in he speaks to people who mostly say they dont go to the games, who have opinion formed by what he or other non game attending callers have said. Slaven has an astounding lack of knowledge on MFC and football in general. Lets fact it, this is the man who though it was wrong to let Chriss Freestone and Andy Campbell go.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 05/03/2008 11:22
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

I'm biting my tongue or in this case my keyboard at the moment.

wilkos_perm Posted on 05/03/2008 11:37
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

a few points

1. Gibson & Lamb are intelligent - they don't solely blame Slaven for falling attendences/apathy - they see him as one of a number of contributing factors.
2. Although the whole BBC broadcast isnt impressive Gary Gill has much better tactical awareness and awareness of what's going on at the club than Slaven does
3. Boro fans who have been supporting the club a long time and know their football don't follow Slaven's opinions like sheep. Lot's of people who stopped going to games and just listened to the radio did however start taking his opinion as gospel and there is no denying this. You'd hear it in pubs, from taxi drivers, wherever "i agree with Slaven etc etc".
4. Despite the clubs annoyance at him noboy at Century has ever come out and said anything to deny that they simply didn't offer enough in comparison with the BBC.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/03/2008 11:40
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

crowds are still down 5% this season so who or what gets the blame this time? Who is now who is persuading fans not to go?
They only need to watch the sheff utd games to see how dull we are to watch.

Critical_Bill Posted on 05/03/2008 11:42
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

When did Slaven 'go on strike'? He also wasn't the first player to toddle off home when substituted at half-time, and won't be the last.

number9 Posted on 05/03/2008 11:43
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Historically Boro fans have always been fickle and have more "fickle fans" than "real fans", just like every other club. i have known only 2 boro fans who atteneded every match home and away.

My uncle alec 9sadly departed now) and his mate jeff attended EVERY game home and away for 62 years. When alec died he had 62 years of programs to prove it.

MFC1967 Posted on 05/03/2008 11:44
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

There has been a lot of things said by slaven that i disagree with but i wouldnt slaughter him for giving his opinion.. thats what he was paid to do..... but i also agree with some of slavens comments..... i dont understand why people go on about slaven being some sort of anti christ for giving an opinion...
WE ARE ALL ENTITLED TO OUR OWN OPINIONS.

AlBoro1984 Posted on 05/03/2008 11:44
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Malcolm Mcdonald says the Boro are crap so I don't go to games.

(this may not be true)

ccole Posted on 05/03/2008 11:49
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

"crowds are still down 5%"

Over the last 5 years, Is that a decrease in decline?

Perhaps they watched the Arsenal game at home and saw just how good we can play?

sasboro1 Posted on 05/03/2008 12:02
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

here are the average attendances

2008- 26,400 approx
2007- 27,730
2006- 28,463
2005- 32,012
2004- 30,398
2003- 31,025
2002- 28.459
2001- 30.747
2000 33.393

probably hit 25,500 next season


bear66 Posted on 05/03/2008 12:06
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Are these the yearly averages or season averages? If the latter, the 20008-2009 season hasn't started yet; if the former, the figures won't be totally representative of the situation as the number of season ticket holders dominate the attendance over the course of a season

sasboro1 Posted on 05/03/2008 12:08
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

sorry season ending ie 2008 is 2007/08

bear66 Posted on 05/03/2008 12:10
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Thanks for the clarification

Away fans appear to be fewer which doesn't help

bear66 Posted on 05/03/2008 12:14
What did Gibbo say about Slaven?

Wasn't the sudden rise in 2003 when Maccarone arrived? 2500 extra seats at, say, £20 each per match is about £7m short of his purchase price. Looks very difficult for attendances to pay for new players so the finances of the club must be supported from many other directions (don't think the BBC Tees contract will do much to pay for Alves etc.)