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Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 00:25
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Why do they let them do it?

It causes mayhem, they're not welcome, and they leave the place in a right mess apparently.

ridsdale Posted on 07/06/2010 00:27
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Been a great tourist attraction for many years.


Have you ever been?


Give it a try, you may be surprised.



GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 00:30
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'The police wouldn't treat any other race the same.'

Most other races make their living legally though.

MFC1967 Posted on 07/06/2010 00:30
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the crime rate doubles but so does the revenue in the town[:O]

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 00:31
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ridsdale

No thank you.

It sounds horrendous.

ridsdale Posted on 07/06/2010 00:33
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It's not you know.

These are mainly proper gypsies, with few of the Irish pikies that leave litter behind.

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 00:35
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I must go next year, what a lovely British event.


Link: link

ridsdale Posted on 07/06/2010 00:37
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No more dangerous than Glastonbury.

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 00:49
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Except there's 12 times as many people at Glatonbury.

ridsdale Posted on 07/06/2010 00:51
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FFS taxi drivers cause more problems for the Cumbria cops than the horse fair.

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 01:00
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[rle]

Zelig2 Posted on 07/06/2010 03:30
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Ffs I thought people had left this sort of bigotry behind in the 1940's. Hitler & his friends thought their way of life was right for everyone & anyone who dared to disagree with them or were deemed different to them in some way were dealt with severely.

One day people will realise that all humans have an equal right to live their lives any way they want on this planet. Unfortunately some fascists on here would of been welcomed into the Nazi party or Mosley's black shirts.

SNOWBANDIT Posted on 07/06/2010 06:01
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"
One day people will realise that all humans have an equal right to live their lives any way they want on this planet."

Lovely thought - but unfortunately...just leads to anarchy - the selfish,greedy,bullies and feckless will always want more.

Hench we have rules and regs.

Voltaire Posted on 07/06/2010 06:33
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"FFS taxi drivers cause more problems for the Cumbria cops than the horse fair."

You're the reason people are giving up on this board.

Rod100 Posted on 07/06/2010 07:38
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"One day people will realise that all humans have an equal right to live their lives any way they want on this planet. Unfortunately some fascists on here would of been welcomed into the Nazi party or Mosley's black shirts."

- yes. all those that contribute and integrate.

pikeys are horrible people.

they want all the trappings of a modern society without paying for it.

absolute SCUM

Jeremy_Clarkson Posted on 07/06/2010 07:39
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I agree with Rod absolute lawless scum IMO [B)]

Rod100 Posted on 07/06/2010 07:40
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you're from arent you jezza?

1st hand knowledge [:D]

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 07/06/2010 07:51
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Don't mention the drowning of horses.[;)]

Jeremy_Clarkson Posted on 07/06/2010 07:52
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Yes Im from the same place as you..



fecking full of the fcukers [:(!]







Rod100 Posted on 07/06/2010 08:00
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thankfully i moved to just outside the place, and am off to australia next month.

but you gotta love the pikey scum fella [^] - everyone has a right to live blah blah.

just like thay have the right to park up on playing fields and sh1te all over etc. salt of the earth they are [8)]

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 08:20
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The fair is great. There are a lot of people there, travellers and tourists, so it's inevitable that there are some incidents. On the whole it's just mad, a bit dangerous on the flashing lane, and much safer/more enjoyable than Boro on a Saturday night.
As for animal welfare...the RSPCA and the various horse charities have a very heavy presence, and they, by and large, enjoy it too.

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 08:33
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Here you are, some photos from this weekend for you fearful types.
Looks awful huh?


Link: appleby horse fair

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 07/06/2010 08:38
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"One day people will realise that all humans have an equal right to live their lives any way they want on this planet."

I bet thats why you leave your front door open every night and your keys in your car when you park up is it?

halifaxp Posted on 07/06/2010 09:33
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Why do they do it?

Answer: Because they have a royal charter which allows them to do it. Another way to look at the same answer is that we have a country which allows - and defends - diversity. Thank God for it!

On the racism issue: since my wife began working with Travellers, I have learned enough about it to have no hesitation in saying this: the most racially-abused group in this country are the travelling community. Even politicians are not scared of publicly promulgating ignorant, generalised racial slurs on this group, for example, although they would only do that kind of thing in private for blacks, Asians, homosexuals etc.

On the idea that these people are dirty: we quickly learned where this idea comes from! If you were living on an outdoors site (with improvised toilet and rubbish collection facilities etc.) and were moved on by police at 2 in the morning, without the time to tidy up being granted, how would your campsite look? Pictures of the worst of it would then routinely be shown by the local press and so you are classed as dirty.

For our family now, the inside of a traveller caravan is the definition of cleanliness!

And before any of you start saying my wife's views are biassed, lefty liberal dreaminess, etc., we can very easily tell you appalling stories of things that have been done by travellers, and we know more about it than most people because my wife works inside the community, but we would not class all whites as people who are prone to shoot others up as in Cumbria, Hungerford, etc, or all Asians as suicide bombers or all blacks as Idi Amin. There is good and bad in every community, but the vast majority of travellers we have met are highly moral, very clean people: their economic usefulness may have taken a dip since agricultural hard work has been replaced by machinery and plastic drainage piping has replaced cast iron, but, even then, they don't do as much harm as "highly-respected bankers"!

Rod100 Posted on 07/06/2010 09:40
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yes their reputation is harsh and is only caused by a few bad apples [rle]

JohnGannonsUnderpants Posted on 07/06/2010 09:42
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It happens because a law was passed stopping the horse fairs taking place in other towns but allowing a once yearly event in appleby im led to believe. I think it's a great British event myself, it's like the Gypsy world cup. You see the kids practicing with their horse and carts in southbank every year just before the fair starts.[^]

MarlonD Posted on 07/06/2010 09:42
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Its getting to the point on here that you can't attack any minority group.

Invert racialism at its worsest.

Boro-XIX Posted on 07/06/2010 09:46
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There was always goona be trouble at this event this year! Some gypsies from Bolton jumped one of the main gypos from round here at appleby last year.

ridsdale Posted on 07/06/2010 09:47
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"You're the reason people are giving up on this board."


You snivelling wimp.

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 10:12
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Why don't any of them pay taxes? Is that part of the royal charter as well?

If and when police do move travellers off traveller sites at 2 o'clock in the morning, that wouldn't be because they have overstayed or broken any rules, would it? It would just be racism?

scobba Posted on 07/06/2010 10:45
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looks rather jolly

scobba Posted on 07/06/2010 10:52
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i thought they moved them on when they were staying illegally

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 11:01
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Here you go.

I parked my car at work at Bowesfield lane in Stockton.

One of their horses got free and managed to wrap it's self and it's chains around my car, breaking both wing-mirrors and cracking my windscreen.

I managed to release it.

I phoned the police, they came, I showed them the damage.

The copper said;

"Well, you can go and knock on the caravan door yourself and ask them for the money to repair it"

He had a smug smile on his face whilst he said it too.

Says it all really doesn't it ?

LeitrimBoro Posted on 07/06/2010 11:04
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Fecks sake. Thats a good distance for a horse to roam free. Appleby to Stockton.

Benny_Santini Posted on 07/06/2010 11:10
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It has its positives though


Link: Not bad at all

Revenelli Posted on 07/06/2010 11:32
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I went up there on Saturday cos the mrs has apparently always wanted to go to see the horses. I took the camera and took a few snaps.

No sign of any bother and no alcohol was allowed.

yes it did have some nice views


Link: lucky horse!

scobba Posted on 07/06/2010 11:35
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they are about 12 you pervert

Revenelli Posted on 07/06/2010 11:40
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no thats just your sick mind

Revenelli Posted on 07/06/2010 11:45
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12 eh?


Link: link

scobba Posted on 07/06/2010 12:01
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that is clearly different girls

halifaxp Posted on 07/06/2010 12:34
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Gillzean,
A lot of travellers now are "housed travellers", because the economy cannot any more allow them to work the land and live the travelling lifestyle. My wife's work encourages them to become literate (not a traditional feature of gypsy lifestyles) and understand the world of form-filling etc. Your statement that none of them pay taxes is, in fact, wrong, and your second question is just sarcasm, so not worth a response.

There's no "if" about policemen moving people off sites in the early hours it happens! And, yes, some of the sites they stop on are not legally theirs. But here's an oddity of the law: they are allowed by law to live a travelling lifestyle, but they are not allowed by law to stop, which is why there are these problems. (You can't grow or gather food, look after horses, wash children etc. very easily on a moving vehicle!) The idea that travellers who are moved on are moved on because they have committed other offences (besides the law of trespass) is a very questionable one. Respectable travellers often move in where land is clearly not being used by the owners, and, if allowed to do so, do clean up so that the owners lose nothing by their stay. You won't see these stories in the Daily Mail, I agree, but such a pattern of events is one my wife sees time and time again, almost ad infinitum.

The numbers of legal sites in the country are nowhere near adequate to accommodate the people who need them, and councils where people who hate gypsies markedly influence council policy do tend to evade their legal responsibilities to make provision for this group of people. So, I'm afraid to say, Gillzean, that some of the responsibility for the problem does indeed lie with the people who are anti-traveller: your second blast of sarcasm rather blows up in your face, therefore!

oooooo Posted on 07/06/2010 12:38
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Perhaps councils resent having to pay for the clean-up of their sites when they don't contribute. Of course, yeah, as you said, they all pay their taxes. What a load of tosh.


borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 12:39
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halifaxp, check your email.

Dibzz, I take it that you didn't go to speak to the travellers about the damage caused by their escaped horse.

Revenelli...the front girl of the two on horseback is a bit of a feature at Appleby. She certainly gets a lot of attention from the photographers.

Zelig2 Posted on 07/06/2010 13:33
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Quote "Its getting to the point on here that you can't attack any minority group".

Why do you feel the need to attack any group of people anyway? The attitudes of some people on here show that they have never grown up & still have a schoolyard mentality to people & issues.

Rod100 Posted on 07/06/2010 13:35
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i like to think that the remark was made tongue in cheek.

Ouroboros Posted on 07/06/2010 13:38
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For those that think these traditional, country living artisans cause no harm and should be left in peace, go and have a look at the shíte that's still around the old ICI Ag Div offices in Billingham. There's still piles of rubble, garden waste, tarmac droppings, etc, since their last visit. And just before they moved on, they dumped their chemical toilets on the site. Site Security & local police had to put up biohazard barriers.

It's been left as it was, hopefully in the belief that even THEY wouldn't move there again.

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 14:01
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'Dibzz, I take it that you didn't go to speak to the travellers about the damage caused by their escaped horse.'

Are you taking the piiss?

Zelig2 Posted on 07/06/2010 14:01
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Since you're so against this group of people being allowed to live & breath what would you like to happen to them Rod?

It must be really frustrating for you, knowing that they are able to travel the country, raising their families any way they like while paying no taxes & leaving rubbish everywhere when they leave.

If only there was some sort of camp we could put them all in. A camp with a shower complex to get all of these dirty people cleansed.

Islamic fundamentalists believe that the West's way of life is totally corrupt & that everyone should be ruled by Sharia law. The same people who complain so much about other peoples different way of life are willing to defend their own way of life with military force against these extremists. That seems quite hypocritical to me. If we want to be free to live our lives the way we want then we must also be tolerant of how others choose to live their lives whether we understand or agree with it.

Rod100 Posted on 07/06/2010 14:06
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they can leave these fair shores for a start zelig [^]

p1ss off back to ireland and tarmac that fukka [;)]

ffs no wonder this country is down the sh1tter with beardy viz type modern parents such as yourself. no doubt your kids are called tarquin or rupert too [rle]





[:D] [:D]

mattyk50 Posted on 07/06/2010 14:15
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"If only there was some sort of camp we could put them all in. A camp with a shower complex"

whos paying for this camp then??

Rod100 Posted on 07/06/2010 14:15
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we will foot the bill.

again.

Zelig2 Posted on 07/06/2010 14:20
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Sending them somewhere else won't work. Hitler offered to pay other countries to take Germany's unwanted people & they still couldn't get rid of them. So what do you do next with them? Shall we start lighting the furnaces?

Your trouble is you're happy to have a go at people you don't like but you have no final solution to the problems you raise. Maybe you do have the solution but you don't have the courage to follow it through after realising you're not that different from Hitler, Stalin & Osama Bin Laden & it scares you. It certainly scares me.

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 14:32
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Dibzzz, no I'm not taking the XXXXXX. Perhaps if you weren't blinded by your prejudice, you might have found the courage to just go and speak with them.
You'll find, as I have in a potentially volatile situation, that you are just dealing with another human being...have some courage and respect and you might find it is reciprocated.
Act like a coward, and you''ll be treated like one.

Zelig2 Posted on 07/06/2010 14:34
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So if they integrated into our way of life you'd accept them? That's very big of you but unfortunately they don't want to integrate into our way of life. So my question remains what do you want to do with them?

I'm sure if we renounced Democracy & accepted Sharia law Osama Bin Laden & his friends would stop threatening our way of life with terrorism. Should we consider doing that?

I am willing to defend my way of life but unlike you I'm also willing to defend other peoples way of life because I'm not a hypocrite.

halifaxp Posted on 07/06/2010 14:35
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oooo

I suppose I am wasting my time, because hysteria is impossible to deal with rationally, but I actually said only that some of them (Freddie Eastwood and David Essex, for example) pay taxes.

And the other point I was making was that some councils do not create sites at all, or make them so uninviting that they may as well not have bothered, leading to travellers having no realistic choice but to stop in places which look disused. Most sites are not free, so they generally make a contribution to the upkeep of sites as well.

I (and anyone else who knows anything about the situation) would not wish to claim that travellers are any kind of perfect people. What I do claim is that Great Britain can be proud of its record, generally, of tolerating diversity.

For information, it's worth mentioning that there are various groups of travelling people in the U.K., Irish travellers, Romanies, bargees, fairground folk etc. - and there are some criminal families amongst them (whose names and histories my wife, as an expert, does often know) - but lumping them all together as one group is just careless thinking, and to see anyone who lives an itinerant lifestyle as criminal or worthless is an attitude that drives travellers out of places like Russia and into seeking refuge here. If you hate them so much, you will find lots of like-minded people in the Eastern sector of the EU, so you might consider moving there!

One more thing and then I'm finished on here: the Appleby Horse Fair's royal charter is very old - and is itself proof that there is a long history of purely English travelling folk, so booting them all back to Ireland is not a fair or a sensible policy. Their right to live as they do is enshrined in English law, the same as your right to live the way you wish.

Zelig2 Posted on 07/06/2010 14:49
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Rod is a typical bigot. He has no knowledge of the issue but thinks he has the answer. He would of been a member of Moseley's black shirts in the 1930's, an organisation that the people of this country ridiculed & defeated.

JohnGannonsUnderpants Posted on 07/06/2010 15:03
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They do pay for the sites and it's not that cheap either, sure it's more than forty quid a week for a tarmac car park in an industrial estate. There's no wonder they would rather pitch up in a nice field for nowt.

ridsdale Posted on 07/06/2010 15:05
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Remember the worst years of Thatcher, when groups of young people took to the roads and travelled as there were no jobs. They were doing nothing wrong but were an irritation to Thatcher and the country set.

Thatcher used incredible police violence, like she did against workers, to smash these travellers.

"s Nick Davies reported in The Observer at the time:

“There was glass breaking, people screaming, black smoke towering out of burning caravans and everywhere there seemed to be people being bashed and flattened and pulled by the hair … men, women and children were led away, shivering, swearing, crying, bleeding, leaving their homes in pieces.”

The report concluded: “Over the years I had seen all kinds of horrible and frightening things and always managed to grin and write it. But as I left the Beanfield, for the first time I felt sick enough to cry.”


Link: Never again

Zelig2 Posted on 07/06/2010 15:16
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The battle of the beanfield was an insult to this country's great tradition of tolerance. There will always be a minority of ignorant, bigoted people in this country & it's important that the silent majority remind this vocal minority that their views lead to very dark conclusions. These Daily Mail readers who believe its bigoted headlines & agree with its views need to remember that it was the Daily Mail who wanted Britain to join Hitler something it can never be forgiven for.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 07/06/2010 15:18
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'when groups of young people took to the roads and travelled as there were no jobs'

Doing as Tebbitt suggested. I remember it well.

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 15:53
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That's disgraceful.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 07/06/2010 16:16
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So why was that post removed?

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 17:49
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Halifax, as I've said before I've got some mats who are settled travellers, but to pretend they don't leave their sites as a tip is ignorance on your part. Open your eyes, man. And what do you think of these people who go round ripping off old ladies, doing XXXXXXe drive tarmac jobs and charging them the earth? Or does that not happen either?
So as you have no answer to my second point, do not bother answering it. There aren't enough places for these travellers because they breed profusely without thinking of educating their kids, or where they will live(you know, the tings that normal, respectable people actually consider), because they know UK plc will pick up the tab, as it always has.

degsyspesh Posted on 07/06/2010 18:00
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“There was glass breaking, people screaming, black smoke towering out of burning caravans and everywhere there seemed to be people being bashed and flattened and pulled by the hair … men, women and children were led away, shivering, swearing, crying, bleeding, leaving their homes in pieces"

sounds like a typical Stokesley Friday night, which maybe isn't too surprising

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 18:10
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Gillzean, it would seem that your folks didn't teach you to read either.

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 18:15
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No they didn't mate. I went to school instead. It's the law where I come from.[rle]


halifaxp Posted on 07/06/2010 19:50
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I did not pretend "they" didn't - or did - leave all their sites as a tip. What I said was factual, based on experiences that I have through my wife's being undoubtedly the person who knows most about travellers in the Calderdale and Kirkless district. That is what I am going on, and I am not, therefore "ignorant" on the matter.

I have tried to get others on this site to stop generalising that "they" do this or that. "They" are as varied as any other group of people, as I've also said before. Stereotyping them is no more helpful than stereotyping any other group, even "normal" people.

I know full well that sites are sometimes left in a mess; I know that sometimes it is for the reasons I gave previously. Sometimes, travellers are just messy. Hey, guess what? I have also seen town centres covered in chewing gum and polystyrene food containers, cans, bottles, sputum, even sick and blood; I have seen schools covered in graffiti; I have seen overflowing rubbish bins. Not all these messes are traveller messes, I think!

Not all the rip-offs are traveller rip-offs either. Much of our economy is based on rip-offs, whether of infant labour in the Third World, or of people who believe that insurance companies actually offer insurance and will pay out when you need them.

You (and others) may hate travellers; that is the long and short of it, I suspect. I dislike some travellers that I have met and I like some, some quite a lot; I admire some and despise some. We have helped some and we have felt rewarded in so doing; we have helped others and been skanked. That's how it goes with children I have taught who are not travellers too.

I don't see any significant difference between them and "Normal, respectable" people, except that some "normal, respectable" people are aggressive and inimical towards them, and have been consistently so for many, many years. Such people should not be surprised to find the objects of their hatred less than friendly in return.

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 21:00
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I generally take people as I find them.

I have yet to see a traveller site that looked tidier when they had moved on than it did before they arrived.

But apparently David Essex and Freddie Eastwood have paid for tidying it up.

HolgateCorner Posted on 07/06/2010 21:52
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just out of interest how old is the Appleby Fair?

I think these kind of events are great English traditions which should be kept going.

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 22:07
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here you go


Link: history

HolgateCorner Posted on 07/06/2010 22:30
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thanks for that borolad.[^]

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 23:03
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"Dibzzz, no I'm not taking the XXXXXX. Perhaps if you weren't blinded by your prejudice, you might have found the courage to just go and speak with them.
You'll find, as I have in a potentially volatile situation, that you are just dealing with another human being...have some courage and respect and you might find it is reciprocated.
Act like a coward, and you''ll be treated like one."

Give your fcuking head a shake, they watched me remove the frigging horse from my battered car, didn't have the decency to come over and apologise or offer to help. The copper more or less said, if you go and knock on the caravan door you'll be risking a hiding. What world are you living in?

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 23:09
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It does make you wonder, Dibzz[:I]

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 23:10
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A question I have asked myself several times today after reading so much bigotry on here.

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 23:12
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Yeah, don't let 5 centuries of evidence convince you that you're wrong, borolad[8)]

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 23:14
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I'm a bigot because some Pikeys horse knacked me car? And even the police didn't want to know.

FFS, who's in the wrong here?

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 23:20
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Who gave you permission to tell the truth?[;)]

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 23:25
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So, a horse damaged your car, and you didn't have the gumption to go and speak to the horse's owner, because thay happened to be a traveller. That makes one truth apparent.

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 23:32
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borolad,

Do you think the travellers should have come over and offered to help, and/or pay for the damage?

That would be another question answered..[rle]

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 23:35
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Perhaps they should, yes. That would have been the decent thing to do. However, in the event that they didn't, some attempt to discuss the matter with them might have been more fruitful than posting on this thread.

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 23:36
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I had the gumption to inform the police of criminal damage, and I also had the gumption not to knock on the the caravan door after the police hinted it wasn't a good idea, I also had the gumption to think that maybe talking to them civilly was a no no after they watched me struggle to remove the creature, they obviously didn't give a flying fcuk.

FFS, are you on a wind up?

istinitboro Posted on 07/06/2010 23:43
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Who makes these rules and regulations that you speak of snow bandid, could it possibly be bigots and racists?

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 23:44
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No, this is a wind up: why didn't you take the horse hostage? It was probably worth more than your car.

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 23:46
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Maybe he's law-abiding?[:O]

Dibzzz Posted on 07/06/2010 23:46
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borolad259

Hmmmm, you are an idiot.

borolad259 Posted on 07/06/2010 23:47
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That's no way to talk about Gillzean.

GillZean Posted on 07/06/2010 23:51
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Great retort, borolad. Comedy Gold.

God forbid, you would admit the travellers were in the wrong[8D][:P]

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 08/06/2010 00:41
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zelig - can you not argue with someone without calling them nazis and banging on about gas chambers. [V]

penry1 Posted on 08/06/2010 01:07
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Friend saw 3 of them litterally stuffing a small horse in the back of a transit van. horrible people imo. every one of them

BarnesBoroFC Posted on 08/06/2010 01:11
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What was that link someone posted earlier today relating to a theory that if a message board thread geos on long enough Nazi's will be compared to?
Found it,Snowbandit posted it.


Link: Godwin's Law

Zelig2 Posted on 08/06/2010 04:07
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Sheriff I'm merely asking Rod the question what does he want to do with this race of people he clearly doesn't like. He said send them to another country & I replied that Hitler had tried that in the 1930's but it hadn't worked so what's his next solution. His bigoted intolerant attitude to other people's lifestyles is similar to that of Hitler, Stalin & Osama Bin Laden who also believe their way of life is the only way.

All I'm doing is reminding him that his views are that of a facist & these types of intolerant attitudes have led people down very dark paths in the past. Perhaps he needs to have a more live & let live approach to other peoples lifestyle choices in future whatever they may be & whether he agrees with them or not.

SNOWBANDIT Posted on 08/06/2010 06:02
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"Who makes these rules and regulations that you speak of snow bandid, could it possibly be bigots and racists?"

You really want me to go back over history and give the names of the thousands of contributors to the Laws that govern us ..since King Offa say ?

Might be quicker if you give us the names of the bigots/rascists amongst them , and we can get all Google up and become enlightened [^]

Rod1000 Posted on 08/06/2010 06:32
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wow - i got banned for saying i dont particulalrly care for them or the way they 'integrate' into our society; there are posts on here saying the same thing by others....

in answer to zelig - no idea where they should go. but what i would like is for them to try and integrate into our society. they get everything that we pay for - schools, hospitals, doctors, roads etc etc - yet they dont contribute.

the notion of the traditional romany gypsy is a romantic one; we are talking pikeys here and they are competely different. pikeys dont bother with out laws or to abide by them. there's been umpteen cases up here where one has comitted an offence - often quite bad - and then they just idsappear on the camp as they have NFA and are hidden.

i just dont get why we have to provide places for them to live (and destroy) when they have plenty of money and it is their choice.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 08/06/2010 07:57
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The correct way to........


Link: ......look after a horse.

borolad259 Posted on 08/06/2010 08:43
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There is always an RSPCA/Horse Welfare presence by that ramp, so what you are seeing would have been seen by them.
I've see worse whipping of horses up the finishing straight at Pontefract.

Personally, I don't like to see horses hit. Some of the horses seem to really enjoy the river...especially on a hot day. I wouldn't want to coerce them in though.

Cases of animal cruelty are prosecutued at Appleby every year. The most distressing thing I saw was two Lurchers that had been left in a car for 45 minutes...with the window open. They still boiled alive. The owner (who had a fixed address) was prosecuted....and was also roundly condemned by the travellers who witnessed the incident too.

MarlonD Posted on 08/06/2010 09:11
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Maybe we should ask for Steve Goldbys opinion on our travelling friends ?


LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 11:59
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Johnny Thunder...I watched that link you posted. Is that is the best the Animal "Cruelty" Brigade can do???
I saw no cruelty on the youtube clip at all.
As for some of the comments on this thread??
I think people should realise there is good and bad in all groups of people. It is so easy and lazy to stereotype.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 08/06/2010 15:16
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Leitrim, you mean except the part where they were booting the horse?

And what about the practice of trying to fully submerge the horse in the river?
I believe two horses drowned in 2009.

borolad259 Posted on 08/06/2010 15:46
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As far as I am aware, there were no drownings in 2009. There was one in 2007, a young fella from Seven Sisters Road was nicked and jailed for it.

It is a horse fair. The people trading horses there value them very highly. A fatality is not taken lightly at all.

borolad259 Posted on 08/06/2010 16:07
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" the most racially-abused group in this country are the travelling community. Even politicians are not scared of publicly promulgating ignorant, generalised racial slurs on this group, for example, although they would only do that kind of thing in private for blacks, Asians, homosexuals etc."

I think what halifaxp was saying has been amply demonstrated on this thread. Some of the posts (thankfully removed) have shown naked hatred....not of individuals, but of an entire group of people.

Benny_Santini Posted on 08/06/2010 16:12
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Had a post removed, but hey ho[rle]. Anyway, 3mins in and the horse got a bit of payback anyway. Still dont know how kicking a horse isnt cruel which was the point of my post[:(!]

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 08/06/2010 16:17
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Scum of the earth. And if you cannot see the cruelty in that video you are an idiot [rle]

Dibzzz Posted on 08/06/2010 16:20
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I had a post removed too, for what I thought was a fairly witty reply, in which it was intended and accepted.

Very touchy this board lately.

Benny_Santini Posted on 08/06/2010 16:23
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I didnt use any words that havent been used in previous posts or even in the thread title[rle]

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 08/06/2010 16:24
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I had one removed yesterday for linking to a photograph showing the state of the campsite after last year.
It didn't breech any copyright, so I don't know why it was removed?

Dibzzz Posted on 08/06/2010 16:26
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The Viz comic had a comic strip title in it a few months back that I borrowed, that was removed.

Or maybe that was copyrighted?

Benny_Santini Posted on 08/06/2010 16:39
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All I said was the guy at 3 mins in got a bath and mentioned that after all, it was June[;)]



I'll give it 2 mins before this ones pulled

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 17:07
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Anonymous Hero..."idiot" am I ????
Personal abuse. Always comes to that with a certain type.
I know about animal and horse welfare.
Horses are my life.
I buy, sell, brake and train horses.
I attend a lot of horses fayres.
If I ever see abuse I step in. I detest the misuse and ill treatment of horses.
Look no further than the sport of "kings" and see what happens to old racehorses to see real abuse.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 08/06/2010 17:08
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I agree totally with you on that one Leitrim.

Benny_Santini Posted on 08/06/2010 17:32
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So its not cruel and its ok to kick horses then LeitrimBoro?

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 17:50
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That film is 6 minutes long. It has been made by a group called "animal aid" its aim is "time to call a halt to the festival of Animal abuse"
So this group goes around Appleby looking for abuse of animals. Well fair play to them. No one likes the abuse of animals (tis OK for some to abuse travellers but heh ho) and the total recorded abuse is a guy kicking a horse.
Is that it?????
Is the guy who kicks the horse a traveller???? I don`t know.
Is he a fool? Yes.

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 08/06/2010 18:08
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Someone's getting a little bit touchy aren't they ? [rle]

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 18:11
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"touchy"
Nah, just pointing out how wrong you are. Without personal abuse. You should try it.

Rod1000 Posted on 08/06/2010 18:21
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so. let me get this correct.

its ok for people to post abuse about geordies - calling us scum and a whole host of other things.

but no one is allowed to call pikeys anything as thats just not cricket [?]

pleased we've got that cleared up.

what an absolute crock of sh1t - the double standards displayed by some on here is quite remarkable, jumping on the PC racist/hatred bandwagon about pikies, but quite happy to give abuse out to say geordies.

laughable.

oldsmoggie Posted on 08/06/2010 18:23
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I agree Rod Geordies and pikeys should definitely be treated the same way[;)]

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 08/06/2010 18:25
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"touchy"
"Nah, just pointing out how wrong you are. Without personal abuse. You should try it."

Well I am sorry you get so upset off getting called an idiot then. [rle]

If you get so upset over someone calling you an idiot, then I suggest you stop posting on this board sugar [:X]

Rod1000 Posted on 08/06/2010 18:26
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[:D][:D]

speckyget Posted on 08/06/2010 18:26
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Were Geordies exterminated in nazi concentration camps? Not saying they shouldn't have been, just don't think they were.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 18:27
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Well you haven`t got it correct.
Good and bad Geordies.
Good and bad Travellers.
Good and bad Boro fans.

Benny_Santini Posted on 08/06/2010 18:31
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"total recorded abuse is a guy kicking a horse"
I suggest you watch the video again LeitrimBoro. I think you must have missed one or two.

"Is the guy who kicks the horse a traveller????

Well I cant see any reason for a member of the crowd to go up and kick a horse, or try to force its head underwater. Can you?

Horses are your life and you cant see anything wrong with that?

The people doing that are scumbags. But hey, let them get away with it cos they're "Travellers" and we cant say anything bad about them can we[:(!]

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 18:39
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Benny before I reply to your last post I want to make sure I`m not getting the wrong end of the story.
What do you mean by "kickin the horse" ?
The jockey kicking the horse or a member of the public???
Thanks

Benny_Santini Posted on 08/06/2010 18:43
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watch the video if you dont understand. More than one horse is kicked, and not by the jockey, or where you trying to be clever[?]

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 18:45
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Anonymous hero..
Name calling is so childish.
You do agree ?

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 08/06/2010 18:47
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Sorry, I never knew calling someone an idiot was so insulting these days [rle][cr]

oldsmoggie Posted on 08/06/2010 18:48
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More a statement of fact in some cases.

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 08/06/2010 19:11
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If you get upset over been called an idiot, then this message board is really not the place for you [:o)]

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 19:16
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Benny I was not trying to be clever merely trying to make sure I wasn`t getting the wrong end of the stick.
I made a point about not knowing if the guy who kicked the horse was a traveller.
You reponded thus "Well I cant see any reason for a member of the crowd to go up and kick"
I agree but it still doesn`t answer my point.

"Scumbags" I have bought ex racehorses for next to nothing. The state of them. Disgusting. Real abuse.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 19:18
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AH...Not answered my question.

Benny_Santini Posted on 08/06/2010 19:22
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Ok Leitrim. I take it that the horses belong to the travellers. If I was a traveller and one of the crowd come up and kicked my horse I dont think I'd be very happy. You get my point?

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 08/06/2010 19:28
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So calling someone an idiot is childish name calling [?]

So what do you make of the abuse some posters get on here ? [rle]

You must have lived a very sheltered childhood.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 19:29
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Yes. I`d be fecking bouncing

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 19:42
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AH. Childish indeed.
Sheltered Childhood ??
Well I was brought up to respect others. Treat them, the way you would like to be treated.
Manners maketh the man.
I do agree with the sentiment that this board has turned very hostile at the moment. It seems to some on here minority groups should be given a good kicking
Lack of education is the main cause I fear.

GillZean Posted on 08/06/2010 19:55
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That's the way most of us were brought up.

I'm not sure all the travelling community adhere to those admirable principles.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 19:59
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Most of us, but not all unfortunately. Same as the travellers.

GillZean Posted on 08/06/2010 20:54
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Yeah it's just those few bad apples that don't contribute, but expect us all to..[rle]

Give and take, not take, take, take[^]

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/06/2010 21:20
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Indeed. Good and bad in all of us.

MY_NAMES_NOBODY Posted on 09/06/2010 02:29
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"Dibzzz, no I'm not taking the XXXXXX. Perhaps if you weren't blinded by your prejudice, you might have found the courage to just go and speak with them.
You'll find, as I have in a potentially volatile situation, that you are just dealing with another human being...have some courage and respect and you might find it is reciprocated.
Act like a coward, and you''ll be treated like one."

So says the little Fascist Adolf borolad who tries to stop anyone saying what he doesnt want to here[:o)]

How did you deal with the situation then borosad..did you goose step them out of the fair?...zieg heil


Link: Fascists borolad

Jerry_Brown Posted on 09/06/2010 09:08
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MY_NAMES_NOBODY, you've dropped something.


Link: Here