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Genghis_Khan Posted on 07/05/2010 14:47
514,819 voted for BNP

[|)]

speckyget Posted on 07/05/2010 14:48
514,819 voted for BNP

Ballocks to PR.

Critical_Bill Posted on 07/05/2010 14:48
514,819 voted for BNP

That's their prerogative, isn't it?

Voltaire Posted on 07/05/2010 14:49
514,819 voted for BNP

50% down on European elections last year.

TheBoy007 Posted on 07/05/2010 14:50
514,819 voted for BNP

[xx(]

borolad259 Posted on 07/05/2010 14:51
514,819 voted for BNP

In terms of percentage of the population, that probably tallies with the number of daft racists that I know, or encounter on here.

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 07/05/2010 14:52
514,819 voted for BNP

5th largest vote nationally! how many seats would that have got them with PR[:O]

TheBoy007 Posted on 07/05/2010 14:52
514,819 voted for BNP

"That's their prerogative, isn't it?"

Of course it is, as it was the prerogative of the German people to vote for the Nazi's.

newyddion Posted on 07/05/2010 14:52
514,819 voted for BNP

PR with a written constitution [^]

petedreadnought Posted on 07/05/2010 14:55
514,819 voted for BNP

5th largest vote nationally! how many seats would that have got them with PR[:O]
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About 10-12 I think.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 07/05/2010 14:57
514,819 voted for BNP

This is who people should vote for...

I'm seriously going to stand for them in the next election in Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland.

They raise vital points such as 'Why is there only one monopolies commission'? [ref]


Link: MRLP

Kilburn Posted on 07/05/2010 14:58
514,819 voted for BNP

That's more Nazis than british forces killed in all of WWII.

gatfb Posted on 07/05/2010 14:58
514,819 voted for BNP

About double the Green vote.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 07/05/2010 14:58
514,819 voted for BNP

Its their vote - they can vote for who ever they want, even if it is the BNP. Thats democracy. Its tough sometimes.

Some people vote Labour after ruining the country. [|)]

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 07/05/2010 15:00
514,819 voted for BNP

Nazi's?

ffs[rle]

Buddy Posted on 07/05/2010 15:03
514,819 voted for BNP

"Ballocks to PR."

Thresholds dear boy, thresholds.

Piggy Posted on 07/05/2010 15:07
514,819 voted for BNP

So, about 1 in 100 of the population supports a racist party. Assuming some of that is a XXXXXXwit protest vote it is a pretty XXXXXXpoor performance from them.

Muttley Posted on 07/05/2010 15:08
514,819 voted for BNP

A depressing statistic but at least some of them were "protest votes". Amusing to hear Nick "not a nazi any more" Griffin blaming Africans and a conspiracy of the "Liberal Elite" for his failure to even trouble the scorers.

Do you prefer "racist cretins" Tommy?

speckyget Posted on 07/05/2010 15:10
514,819 voted for BNP

I know Buddy. I was being ironic. Or moronic. Or summat.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 07/05/2010 15:29
514,819 voted for BNP

Have you read their manifesto?

Tough on illegal immigrants... is that what you mean by racist MUTTLEY?[rle]

Muttley Posted on 07/05/2010 15:33
514,819 voted for BNP

If you think that's what they mean you really need to wake up and smell the coffee. Have a listen to the fortuitously charm free Mr Griffin telling it how it REALLY is to his chums in the States...


Link: Here

MoggasDog Posted on 07/05/2010 15:34
514,819 voted for BNP

as much as i find them completelt disgusting this is a democracy. it is peoples right to vote for whoever they like.it is the fault of the main parties in not addressing some of the issues that concern BNP voters - i would think mainly immigration.they're scared to mention it as some leftyXXXXXX will brand them racist etc and so they avoid it - this allows the bigots to slip right in and make the claims they do. meanwhile 1/2 million people have voted for them.

with PR they would get a fair few seats, im sure.[|)]

littlejimmy Posted on 07/05/2010 15:43
514,819 voted for BNP

UKIP got nearly a million votes and got no seats.

atomicloonybin Posted on 07/05/2010 15:50
514,819 voted for BNP

Any version of PR would almost certainly have a lower threshold percentage over which you'd have to get to gain a seat.

I also - probably naively - believe that if the vote properly 'counted' then part of their support would evaporate because it wouldn't be a protest vote.

atomicloonybin Posted on 07/05/2010 15:52
514,819 voted for BNP

__double post __

parmo_pete Posted on 07/05/2010 15:58
514,819 voted for BNP

Spot on, alb

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 07/05/2010 15:59
514,819 voted for BNP

I never voted bnp, but i do agree with quite a few of their policies, and speaking to other people their seems to be substantial support on their stance on immigration and crime.

A lot of people who might of been tempted to vote for them, will of no doubt been afraid of been branded a racist by leftwing gob$hites who are only to keen to vent their spleen on anyone who dares to mention uncontrolled immigration/asylum.[V]

ste_north_stand Posted on 07/05/2010 16:01
514,819 voted for BNP

Surprised there's only that many racist buffoons about to be fair!

Not_Smog Posted on 07/05/2010 16:02
514,819 voted for BNP

Hang on one second, we live in a free country and if people want to vote for the BNP that is their choice.

Now to be clear i voted Lib Dem this election but if the mainstream partys address some of the concerns raised by the BNP instead of running away from them then maybe they could reduce their support.

If half a million people voted for them that means there is geniune concern over the state of immigration.


parmo_pete Posted on 07/05/2010 16:03
514,819 voted for BNP

Also, if the country is given a referendum on electoral reform it won't only be on PR, it will include proposals to reduce the number of MPs, thus increasing the percentage required to get a seat.

NS is also correct - the BNP vote is only partially due to racist scum, some is a protest vote - arising because the mainstream parties have stopped communicating with a large chunk of the electorate.

ste_north_stand Posted on 07/05/2010 16:04
514,819 voted for BNP

Of course it's a free country....but anybody who bought into their policies is a bit naive....the BNP just prey on issues that people are concerned about. The bottom line is that they are a racist party led by a man who denied the holocaust....says it all really.

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 19:06
514,819 voted for BNP

"the BNP just prey on issues that people are concerned about"

What like uncontrolled immigration and crime you mean Ste?[rle]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 07/05/2010 19:12
514,819 voted for BNP

even worse, over 6 million voted for Labour[|)]

Bukowski Posted on 07/05/2010 19:30
514,819 voted for BNP

The BNP only stood in just over half the seats. So their vote would probably have been just under 1 million if they'd stood nationwide.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 07/05/2010 19:35
514,819 voted for BNP

Guess work Bukowski. Pure guess work.

privatepile75 Posted on 07/05/2010 19:51
514,819 voted for BNP

yes bukowski that's pure guess work, it may even have been considerably higher. the fact is, people do have concerns that don't seem to be addressed (in the way they want) by the big parties and they have a right to vote for whoever they want, same as me and you.

borolad259 Posted on 07/05/2010 19:55
514,819 voted for BNP

The BNP: the daft racist party for daft racists.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 07/05/2010 19:57
514,819 voted for BNP

Here we go[|)]

privatepile75 Posted on 07/05/2010 19:59
514,819 voted for BNP

i agree 259 but it still doesn't stop people having a right to vote for them if they choose to.

borolad259 Posted on 07/05/2010 20:01
514,819 voted for BNP

I suppose there has to be a party for daft racists so that we know who they are.

TheBoy007 Posted on 07/05/2010 20:05
514,819 voted for BNP

"it still doesn't stop people having a right to vote for them if they choose to."

I agree, in the same way the people of Germany had a right to vote for the Nazi's.


LeitrimBoro Posted on 07/05/2010 20:06
514,819 voted for BNP

It`s not rocket science for most people, but I would hazard a guess that the racist party had candidates in areas were they might get some votes. Therefore in areas were the vote might not be to good for them they offered no candidates.
Regarding the loons of the BNP getting seats in a PR system. It would depend on which system was adopted. There are many.

privatepile75 Posted on 07/05/2010 20:06
514,819 voted for BNP

as mentioned earlier lots of their votes would have been protest votes, not to mention the xenophobic and nationalist voters, there may be a much smaller percentage of racists than you think.

BarnesBoroFC Posted on 07/05/2010 20:08
514,819 voted for BNP

Boy007 let's not pretend you wouldn't be happy if we scrapped voting and Labour were always in power.

TheBoy007 Posted on 07/05/2010 20:08
514,819 voted for BNP

Yeh i reckon most who voted for them aren't racist, just not very clever.

junkyard_angel Posted on 07/05/2010 20:10
514,819 voted for BNP

Clegg proposed an amnesty on all illegal immigrants who have been here for ten years or more, and had the courage to defend his stance in the live debates. Quite a lot of people voted Lib Dem.

Now I call that impressive.


TheBoy007 Posted on 07/05/2010 20:11
514,819 voted for BNP

Barnes, Labour always in power? ya joking are'n ya!

I'm a socialist, Labour aren't, they're just a much better option than the Tories.


BarnesBoroFC Posted on 07/05/2010 20:14
514,819 voted for BNP

It was tongue in cheek, yes.

We shouldn't ban BNP, just not vote for them.
In debate show them up.
Even if they say got 12 seats under PR. What could they do with 12 votes, when the rest of the political parties openly despise them!

petedreadnought Posted on 07/05/2010 20:14
514,819 voted for BNP

The BNP only stood in just over half the seats. So their vote would probably have been just under 1 million if they'd stood nationwide.
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[:D]

Unless you honestly think every constituent is made up of the same demographic as those they did stand, you can't really make such predictions.

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 20:45
514,819 voted for BNP

BNP..170% increase in votes than they had in the last General Election..FACT
Like it or not, the BNP are growing[:P][:D]

Conservative + 4
Labour - 6
Liberal Democrats +0.4
UK Independence Party +0.8
British National Party +1.2
SNP (Scotland Only) +0.1
Greens 0.9 - 0.1
Plaid Cymru (Wales only)-0.1

BNP, the Seconed highest vote share increase out of all the Parties.

Voltaire Posted on 07/05/2010 20:53
514,819 voted for BNP

Madmick - their vote increased because they stood in more seats. No seats won, and booted off a lot of the councils they were on.

Absolute humiliation.

petedreadnought Posted on 07/05/2010 20:54
514,819 voted for BNP

I think someone should tell MADMICK about how many extra candidates they had this time around too.

[:o)]

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 20:55
514,819 voted for BNP

They still had more people vote for them..thats all that matters![^][:D]
If they had more candidates, that means the BNP as a party are growing[^][:D]

Voltaire Posted on 07/05/2010 21:01
514,819 voted for BNP

Madmick, don't take it from me. Take it from the Fuhrer himself. Nick Griffin admits that they're finished as a growing force and are going to have to pursue a different strategy. They were destroyed as an electoral enterprise. You should pay more attention to what is going on inside the BNP, you'd be a much better propagandist for them.

littlejimmy Posted on 07/05/2010 21:04
514,819 voted for BNP

Mick, you are an amazing and compelling debater. All these [^]s and [:D]s you use just make me realise how wrong we all are.

borolad259 Posted on 07/05/2010 21:07
514,819 voted for BNP

It's daft racist logic.

petedreadnought Posted on 07/05/2010 21:09
514,819 voted for BNP

How did the BNP do in your constituent, MADMICK?

ste_north_stand Posted on 07/05/2010 21:12
514,819 voted for BNP

No seats = pathetic [^]

TheBoy007 Posted on 07/05/2010 21:19
514,819 voted for BNP

Shows there's no appetite for mass racism in this country, i'm proud to be British!

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 21:24
514,819 voted for BNP

littlejimmy....your all wrong, but not in the way you all think you are![^][:D]

borolad259 Posted on 07/05/2010 21:27
514,819 voted for BNP

Sort your punctuation out, you daft racist.

TheBoy007 Posted on 07/05/2010 21:29
514,819 voted for BNP

Change your name to RacistMick[^]

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 21:31
514,819 voted for BNP

TheBoy007..next year you'll be able to change yours ..to 008[^]

I see the schools must have opened back up in Hemmo 259[^][:D]

cohen Posted on 07/05/2010 21:31
514,819 voted for BNP

at least that took 514,819 votes off the Conservatives.

petedreadnought Posted on 07/05/2010 21:32
514,819 voted for BNP

littlejimmy....your all wrong, but not in the way you all think you are![^][:D]
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You should send your riddles off to Reader's Digest or something. Make yourself a bit of pocket money.

[^]

Voltaire Posted on 07/05/2010 21:33
514,819 voted for BNP

MADMICK - unlike the others I'm not going to insult you, simply warn you. You're dangerously out of the loop on this one. Whether it's because you haven't done your research or you're not party to what goes on inside the organisation or what, but if you keep on with this kind of stuff it makes you look out of touch to the point of irrelevance. The BNP are changing, as of their defeat last night. If you carry on thinking that they're still going with the electoral strategy - you're going to quickly find yourself left behind.

Spend some time reading up on the latest developments, then come back again to sell us the new line. The old one has outlived its use.

red_rebel Posted on 07/05/2010 21:39
514,819 voted for BNP

The BNP had a disaster. They almost bankrupted the party to fight so many seats and had predicted expected a breakthrough but in fact they generally came fifth, usually behind UKIP and local indies and for all the talk of protest votes and the immigration issue being "hot" they only increased their share by 1.2%.

What is interesting is that the key areas where they targeted, where put most resources in and where they shipped in volunteer meatheads to canvas and hold mettings they actually did worse.

In Sunderland they targeted Central but lost their deposit. In Darlington they lost their deposit. In the furhrerbunkeer of Barking where they put in the biggest effort of all and where they expected to increase by 10% and finish 2nd there vote went down.

The only conclusion is that when people actually meet them and listen to them they are less likely to vote.

Now the party will split into at least two possibly three factions as Griffin tries to hold together the electoral faction, another group look for an accomodation with UKIP and the skinhead, street fighting knuckldraggers slip back into petrol bombing Asian shops and throw their lot in with the EDL.


Decent_Left Posted on 07/05/2010 21:39
514,819 voted for BNP

The great BNP election campaign shambles.

One week in and their publicity director and 2 pals are suspended.
Week 2 the great marmite cock up.
Week 3 Griffen refuses to agree to the apology to Unilever thinking it will generate more positive publicity as they would be the underdog vs globaliser capitalism
Week 4 their own webmaster closes the BNP web site as he realises that he could be liable personaly if the Unilever issue carries on.
Polling day, XXXXXX poor election results at a national and local level as when voters actually get to see more about the BNP in action they turn away resulting in Barking & Dagenham council now being Labour 51 BNP 0

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 21:48
514,819 voted for BNP

Nice to see how much media air time the BNP are now getting, shame they were censored before the election mind. Nice to see this great country and our honest politicians playing it fair n square![^]

I'd Better go and get a new keep net now, this ones bursting at the seams[^][:D] lol

TheBoy007 Posted on 07/05/2010 21:54
514,819 voted for BNP

Well I said you were a wind up weeks ago.

borolad259 Posted on 07/05/2010 21:59
514,819 voted for BNP

EEEE[:D][^]
Yer daft racist.

Jolly good to see my local BNP councillor kicked into touch.

red_rebel Posted on 07/05/2010 22:05
514,819 voted for BNP

And it gets worse for the fascists. Out of 338 seats they lost 248 deposist (at £1,000 a time), polled only 1.9% and they were wiped out in their few isolated council footholds in Barking &Dagenham, Stoke and Leeds.

They have been rejected emphatically.

borolad259 Posted on 07/05/2010 22:08
514,819 voted for BNP

Maybe the daft racist will pretend he never supported the BNP, and that it was all a wind up now.
Now that would be [:D][^]

petedreadnought Posted on 07/05/2010 22:14
514,819 voted for BNP

[:D][^]

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 22:19
514,819 voted for BNP

whey up..its the Crankies![:D]

You two make a right pair..one a house burgular and the other a Security Guard[^][:D]

borolad259 Posted on 07/05/2010 22:23
514,819 voted for BNP

Shhh, don't tell Mick, I'm robbing the daft racist's house. I'm going to steal his black book, with all the people he stalks, holds grudges against and makes videos about. Oh and his foil stormtrooper helmet.

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 22:33
514,819 voted for BNP

"Shhh, don't tell Mick, I'm robbing the daft racist's house. I'm going to steal his black book, with all the people he stalks, holds grudges against and makes videos about. Oh and his foil stormtrooper helmet."
HAHARHAHAHARHARHARHAHARHARHAHAHAHAHARAHARHARHARHARHAR...that was SOOOOOOOO FUNNY! HARHARHARHAHAHARHAHARAHAHARHARHARHAR....NOT[V][:o)]

Voltaire Posted on 07/05/2010 22:34
514,819 voted for BNP

"Maybe the daft racist will pretend he never supported the BNP, and that it was all a wind up now."

Who, Nick Griffin?

borolad259 Posted on 07/05/2010 22:38
514,819 voted for BNP

I think the Barking daft racist will find that a few of his daft racist mates are deserting him.

petedreadnought Posted on 07/05/2010 22:52
514,819 voted for BNP

It's amazing how upset doley-scum MADMICK gets when people tear the BNP (and him) apart.

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 22:56
514,819 voted for BNP

"doley-scum"[:D]

Coming from a Security guard that spends all night on here instead of doing the job his paid to do, thats quite funny[:D]

Still. i suppose this country needs daft f00kers like you to help keep the "doley-scum"
in beer tokens eh[;)][:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 07/05/2010 23:14
514,819 voted for BNP

Coming from a Security guard that spends all night on here instead of doing the job his paid to do, thats quite funny[:D]
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Not only is it hilarious that you can't go one post with rolling out some hysterical lie or fabrication, but that you actually think to mock someone in employment when you spend all day forging some arse-grove on the sofa because you haven't the self-respect to find a job. [:I]

Oh, and I work in product design not security, but you're right about being paid to come on here and taunt you though. [^]

MADMICK Posted on 07/05/2010 23:27
514,819 voted for BNP

Since when has walking round with a torch checking locks been classed as product design?[:D]

"you actually think to mock someone in employment when you spend all day forging some arse-grove on the sofa because you haven't the self-respect to find a job"

Why would i want a job when ive got daft chunts like you going to work and paying high taxes to keep use "Doleys" in beer money?
If you were clever enough, would'nt YOU rather be sat in the pub playing pool having a nice beer or ten and a good laugh with your other "Doley" mates, rather than have to go to work 6 days a week...still, you'll have a nice holiday to look forward to, once a year i suppose[^][:o)][:D]

EEEEEE well, i better go take the dog out for a walk, i dont wanna become completely idle[;)][:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 07/05/2010 23:45
514,819 voted for BNP

Why would i want a job when ive got daft chunts like you going to work and paying high taxes to keep use "Doleys" in beer money?
If you were clever enough, would'nt YOU rather be sat in the pub playing pool having a nice beer or ten and a good laugh with your other "Doley" mates, rather than have to go to work 6 days a week...still, you'll have a nice holiday to look forward to, once a year i suppose[^][:o)][:D]
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[:D]

If I was clever I'd have a job where I make about £107,000 a year working less than 20 hours a week, most of it from home. A job where the hours are flexible so I have far more time to do other things. A job where a few pennies of my tax contributions pays for you to post incoherent gibberish on a football forum and get ridiculed by anyone who can just about manage to read a Spot the Dog book without asking for help with tricky words, but I guess I'm a "daft chunt".

Look, I know you must be incredibly hurt and upset given how hopeful you were that the BNP would win a seat and it must be embarrassing for you giving your support to them only to see them suffer, but masking your true emotions by smashing the smiley face button won't remedy your heart ache.

Give Broughton, Ferguson or whatever BNP knuckle head you voted for a ring and seek solace in his welcoming, racist bosom.

[^]

Genghis_Khan Posted on 08/05/2010 00:06
514,819 voted for BNP

Excellent I pulled Red Rebel out of retirement... I did say bringing back the clique was my fmttm forte!

carlton_banker Posted on 08/05/2010 00:22
514,819 voted for BNP


Why is it deemed to be racist to want England, a white English speaking country, to remain just that, a white English speaking country?

TeessideCleveland Posted on 08/05/2010 00:27
514,819 voted for BNP

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 07/05/2010 19:12
514,819 voted for BNP


even worse, over 6 million voted for Labour

How is that worse?
Surely your anti-Labour feelings don't mean you prefer people to vote BNP?

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 00:27
514,819 voted for BNP

Why is it deemed to be racist to want England, a white English speaking country, to remain just that, a white English speaking country?
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Because Jesus said so!

[rle]

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 01:50
514,819 voted for BNP

"If I was clever I'd have a job where I make about £107,000 a year working less than 20 hours a week, most of it from home. A job where the hours are flexible so I have far more time to do other things"

No..if you were clever, you would'nt be working full stop[^]

You DOZEY Thick Chunt![rle][:D]


br14 Posted on 08/05/2010 03:11
514,819 voted for BNP

The irony is that in at least one seat that I noticed (and possibly more), the BNP had sufficient votes to affect the outcome.

If you assume some at least in the BNP would vote Conservative as opposed to Labour, then in Griffins constituency they probably ensured a Labour candidate won.

Repeat that for UKIP etc, and we'd have been closer to a Tory majority.

So be careful what you wish for [;)]

Bukowski Posted on 08/05/2010 07:37
514,819 voted for BNP

The BNP seem to have a core of around 900,000 to 1 million voters.

They only ran in just over half the seats and therefore the number of votes they received was just over half the number of votes they received in the European election.

Not enough for a seat under the first-past-the-post voting system, but enough for a fair amount of seats under PR.

The BNP will never figure in Westminster or win many council seats unless there is electoral reform. And, to be honest, I don't think PR will ever be introduced.

Buddy Posted on 08/05/2010 07:46
514,819 voted for BNP

"enough for a fair amount of seats under PR"

Which system are you using?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 08/05/2010 08:50
514,819 voted for BNP

Duckworth-Lewis

red_rebel Posted on 08/05/2010 11:27
514,819 voted for BNP

How can they have a "core" of 900,000 to 1,000,000 voters? Their vote was up 1.2% this time to a highest ever 500,000.

If you consider that a big slice of those were transient 'protest' votes far from diehards then it would suggest the 'core' vote is actually far lower than that.

The fragility of the BNP vote despite a year of hype, Euro election success and lot of campaigning can be shown that in almost every case where a UKIP candidate stood they did better than the facists. They are not even the first stop option even among anti-Euro little Englanders.

It is ludicrous to suggest that if they stood in more seats they would get an even spread of votes. They have carefully chosen the seats to stand in so far becuase they think they offer them the best hope and even then they have managed just 1.9% of the total vote.

Under most PR systems they would barely register across the country. Most PR systems have a threshhold of 5% to win a seat in a multi-memeber constituency.

The only areas they would come even close to that would be Humberside and West Yorks where they got 4.9%

two_banks_of_four Posted on 08/05/2010 11:40
514,819 voted for BNP

Yeah, lets have a proportional system, much fairer everyones vote counts.

But lets rig it so the votes for parties we don't like don't count.

Bukowski Posted on 08/05/2010 11:41
514,819 voted for BNP

"The fragility of the BNP vote despite a year of hype, Euro election success and lot of campaigning can be shown that in almost every case where a UKIP candidate stood they did better than the facists. They are not even the first stop option even among anti-Euro little Englanders."


Wrong, and I've got a soft spot for UKIP (there's nothing little Englander about being opposed to the worryingly undemocratic EU). Together the BNP and UKIP contested 301 seats against each other. The BNP beat UKIP in 178 seats and UKIP beat them in 123.

The BNP also got well over 5% in places like Stoke, Burnley and areas of East London/Essex, but I see what you mean about the 5% threshold.

red_rebel Posted on 08/05/2010 11:52
514,819 voted for BNP

Yes the BNP did get 5% plus in some hotspots like Stoke but under most PR systems the constituency would be a much larger multi-member entity like Staffordshire Central and cover what is now maybe six or seven constituencies. Over that area the BNP vote would be nowhere near the 5% threshold.

Likewise Burnley. And East London, where they got battered in Barking and Dagenham even in the council elections where only a few hundred votes were needed but they lost seven seats after two chaotic years of scandal, corruption and incompetence.

Wherever they are put under scrutiny they are rejected.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/05/2010 12:02
514,819 voted for BNP

"But lets rig it so the votes for parties we don't like don't count."
I think you will find many types of PR. In all of them your vote does count unlike first past the post system.

two_banks_of_four Posted on 08/05/2010 12:07
514,819 voted for BNP

'In all of them your vote does count'

well clearly not as parties with less than 5% of the vote don't get a seat. It is a fudge to keep ultra minority parties out of the frame, which may well be a good thing. However lets not kid ourselves with trite phrases like 'every vote counts' when clearly they don't.

Bukowski Posted on 08/05/2010 12:12
514,819 voted for BNP

red_rebel - The number of votes they received actually increased in the Barking and Dagenham council elections though, and in the general election in both areas.

However the difference is, Labour mobilised their sizeable support into voting this time around. The BNP only tend to do well in elections where there's a low turnout.

They have a core of supporters who tend to turn up to vote for them regardless, while Labour supporters only tend to turn up in big numbers when there's also a general election.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/05/2010 12:16
514,819 voted for BNP

'every vote counts' when clearly they don't.
They do in the PR system in my country.

Bukowski Posted on 08/05/2010 12:22
514,819 voted for BNP

"How can they have a "core" of 900,000 to 1,000,000 voters? Their vote was up 1.2% this time to a highest ever 500,000."


Did you miss the bit where I said they only ran in half the seats? And, in 2005, they only ran in 117 seats, which explains this election vote being their biggest general election vote ever.

If they ran in all 650 seats, they'd have probably received a similar number to that of the European elections i.e. over 900,000. For example, they didn't run in places like Rochdale where the NF of all people polled 5%.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 08/05/2010 12:34
514,819 voted for BNP

They ran in places were they could maximise their vote. It would silly to suggest they could double their vote by simply doubling their candidates.

FrozenHorse Posted on 08/05/2010 12:42
514,819 voted for BNP

514,819 works out as 1.9% of the total turn out. That includes people voting BNP as a "protest vote", but don't really support the party.

I'm quite reassured that they did so badly. They can be dismissed as a contemptable little party of cranks, badly out of touch with the views of the British electorate.

borolad259 Posted on 08/05/2010 12:52
514,819 voted for BNP

There are some daft racists in East Dulwich.

Bukowski Posted on 08/05/2010 13:35
514,819 voted for BNP

Is that meant to be an anonymous dig at me borolad259?

For the record, I'm not a BNP voter and I've never posted or said anything racist in my life.

So if you are trying to slur me, give it a fckin rest.

What should be possible is the discussion of politics and parties without letting emotion get in the way. The problem with politics is that too many people let their strong opinions/emotions get in the way of a rational normal discussion.

People should be allowed to discuss the likes of the BNP and UKIP etc. without being called racist or a little Englander just because they don't bow to public opinion and start the old namecalling etc.

It's childish and there's too much of this sort of petty behaviour in British politics and society in general. Some people need to grow the fck up.

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 14:33
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To be fair to Bukowski, at least he tries to defend the BNP, despite al the clichéd XXXXXX he comes out with, by offering an argument in coherent English, MADMICK struggles to spell one-syllable words correctly and flees whenever he gets asked a tricky question.

borolad259 Posted on 08/05/2010 14:51
514,819 voted for BNP

They're daft racists, or apologists for daft racists. There really is no difference.

littlejimmy Posted on 08/05/2010 15:01
514,819 voted for BNP

It's living amongst all those Aussies, isn't it Buk? [;)]

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 15:03
514,819 voted for BNP

At least Griffin is honest about himself.

[:D]


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Bukowski Posted on 08/05/2010 15:11
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littlejimmy [:D]

I just don't think having a strong nationalist party is a bad thing if it scares the government into getting its act together on immigration.

We need fringe parties like the BNP, UKIP, Greens etc in the UK. It improves democracy.

They act as a warning to the main parties when they're falling out of touch with the electorate.

It's just a pity there isn't a strong socialist party in the UK, as Labour seems to have forgotten its roots to a large extent.

borolad259 Posted on 08/05/2010 15:19
514,819 voted for BNP

Nationalism is truly pointless, except in Sport, and even then it's losing its significance (ref. the England cricket team).

littlejimmy Posted on 08/05/2010 15:30
514,819 voted for BNP

There is a perception, rightly or wrongly, that the mainstream politicians avoid the immigration issue, but they did discuss it quite extensively in the 3rd TV debate. We can probably thank Mr/s Duffy of Rochdale for that! The point I'm trying to make (in my usual clumsy way) is that the BNP possibly suffered a bit because they actually talked about it.

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 15:54
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"MADMICK struggles to spell one-syllable words correctly and flees whenever he gets asked a tricky question."

Unlike you peterdreadnaught who still wont answer the question of why he thinks the Lib Dems policy of taking immigrants out of the south where HE lives, and spreading them around Parts of the North is a good idea.
Why is it then PD? I thought you were not racially motivated?...why would you want them out of where YOU live and moved up North.....do you see a difference between Immigrants and the rest of the people in this Country? Perhaps you dont like the colour of thier skin..is that it PD? or is that you just do not like Immigrants living near YOU?
Im supprised you havent been slaughtered for your remarks....you Racist Chunt[:o)]

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 15:59
514,819 voted for BNP

No one mentioned anything about moving immigrants out of the South and placing them in the North other than you.

br14 Posted on 08/05/2010 16:08
514,819 voted for BNP

"the BNP possibly suffered a bit because they actually talked about it"

Not sure I get that. Isn't that there entire reason for being.

Surely the anti-immigrant vote is their core?

The fact is that where they had media coverage (e.g. Griffins seat) they won several thousand votes - between 10-20%.

There's little doubt that in a PR system they would have significantly more votes simply because at every election people vote tactically.

For example I heard a Scot say she was SNP but voted Labour because there was no point voting SNP. And that probably her family had done the same.

I'd guess the numbers would be similar to France.

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 19:41
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peterdreadnaught = closet Racist, just the same as borolad on his fmttm F1 thread, just like you, he's shut the f00k up as well, now that its coming out in the open just what racist hypocrites you both are[V]

"We dont mind em, but not on our doorstep Gov[^]".....Racist pair of tw@ts[V]

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 19:45
514,819 voted for BNP

Do you wanna post that in English, you daft racist?

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MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 19:48
514,819 voted for BNP

You have a problem speaking English dont you peter...why is that?.

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 19:51
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I have no problem "speaking" English, but I do have a problem "reading" incoherent nonsense.

[:o)]

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 21:57
514,819 voted for BNP

"I have no problem "speaking" English, but I do have a problem "reading" incoherent nonsense."

Do you class this what you wrote as "incoherent nonsense." or just out and out Racism?

"I think the Lib Dems policy of dispersing immigrant workers around Britain is a good idea.

Britain's population is far too concentrated in London/South East at the moment."

Would you care to point out the difference between me saying, the country was full and we cant keep taking mass immigration in, and your statement that says London/South East where you happen to live, is far too concentrated and you think its a good idea to "spread" immigrant workers around the country.

It seems to me, that in calling me a racist, your also calling yourself one...so i guess that makes you a f00king hypocrite as well as a Racist[:o)][^]

You dont mind immigration...as long as its not on your doorstep eh[^]

borolad259 Posted on 08/05/2010 22:05
514,819 voted for BNP

Personally I have no problem with immigration at all, no matter where it is. I regard it as a good thing in general.
As you ought to know MM, it's a big Universe, and we all, as human beings, share a very tiny bit of it. None of us really has a right to decide where another can and cannot live.

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 22:09
514,819 voted for BNP

So do you see that no where did I ever claim to move immigrants out of the South and into the North. I'm not surprised you were confused.

I'd ask you to explain what's racist about a system whereby immigrants coming into Britain are settled in areas where their skills are valued and can occupy vacancies available, but you'll either run away as you usually do, respond with some lies, fabrications and moronic accusations, or realise you've made a tit of yourself again and call me a "chunt" alongside loads of smilies.

Is it getting through yet, daft racist?

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 22:12
514,819 voted for BNP

"personally I have no problem with immigration at all, no matter where it is. I regard it as a good thing in general.
As you ought to know MM, it's a big Universe, and we all, as human beings, share a very tiny bit of it. None of us really has a right to decide where another can and cannot live."

Not according to the Racist wannabe peterdreadnaught, he seems to think they should'nt live near to were he lives and he would feel much happier if they were shipped up North

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 22:16
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"racist wannabe"???

[:D]

If I "wannabe" a racist I'll follow your suit.

SplendidStuff Posted on 08/05/2010 22:18
514,819 voted for BNP

THICKMICK in smilies/lies shocker [:O]

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 22:20
514,819 voted for BNP

You really do look for any little rock to hide under dont you[:D]

I'm supprised you havent put in for you HGV license and offered to "ship" your neighbours up here free of charge in the back of a cattle truck....racist chunt[:o)][V]

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 22:22
514,819 voted for BNP

F00k me...we've got a Security guard and a Sound Proofer on the same thread..how original[rle]

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 22:23
514,819 voted for BNP

So you went for the third option, MADMICK.

I honestly thought you were going to do your cowardly disappearing act.

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 22:25
514,819 voted for BNP

Speaking of Cowards pd..say hello to Splendid Puff, he's come to lick your @rse again[^]

SplendidStuff Posted on 08/05/2010 22:28
514,819 voted for BNP

THICKMICK thinks that if you build any home improvements you are a coward.

I dont get it myself but he is a bit backward.

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 22:31
514,819 voted for BNP

Nah, he's come to absolutely ridicule you again. You, being thick as mince simply convince yourself that if more than one person pokes fun at you their licking each other's arse.

Then again you believe the BNP don't lie, shows how thick you are.

[:o)]

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 22:32
514,819 voted for BNP

Since when has hanging a false ceiling in your LIVING room then filling it with expanable foam been classed as an "home improvemnt" LMAO![:D]

Youd have been cheaper hiring a dumb f00k security guard......O..Hang on a minute!...OIY peterdreadnaught..ive just got you a job lined up here!..you get a pay rise as well..Splendid Puff doesnt agree with the minimum wage, so it looks like its £6 an hour for you from now on!!..quids in lad..quids in![^][:D]


SplendidStuff Posted on 08/05/2010 22:41
514,819 voted for BNP

I could explain the true version of events, but THICKMICKS version is much more exciting [:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 22:44
514,819 voted for BNP

I could explain the true version of events, but THICKMICKS version is much more exciting [:D]
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It won't be long before he decides your a racist for fitting a false ceiling. It's the natural progression his tales take.

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 22:49
514,819 voted for BNP

What do you mean..you could explain the "true" version of events! lol

Everyone on this message board knows you came on here like a f00king baby, crying about the neighbours uptairs constantly making a noise, and instead of going and telling them to shut the f00k up, you came on here whining like a f00king f@nny asking for help on how to sound proof your ceiling, and you ended up hanging a false ceilling and filling it with expandable foam!! LMAO...that is one of the funniest stories ive read on this message board...EVER!! LMAO![:D][^]

ps..PD..i hope your not taller than 5 foot 3 when you take up your new role as security gaurd at the Puffs house, you'll need plenty of deep heat for your bad back ache if you are![cr][:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 22:58
514,819 voted for BNP

SplendidStuff, I'll give you a tenner if you can decipher that nonsensical gibberish MADMICK has just posted.

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SplendidStuff Posted on 08/05/2010 23:00
514,819 voted for BNP

Something about expanding foam, never use the stuff myself like [rle]

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 23:01
514,819 voted for BNP

What he means SP, is can you read it out aloud for him as the dumb f00k cant read[^]...no wonder he works constant night shifts as a security guard[:D]

SplendidStuff Posted on 08/05/2010 23:06
514,819 voted for BNP

Have a read if you can be ar$ed. I guess it proves how Thick THICKMICK really is[:D]


Link: The most excting story ever told

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 23:07
514,819 voted for BNP

Expanding foam, eh?

I think MADMICK just types what he believes are words at random and hopes they make some sort of sense to whoever reads them.



SplendidStuff Posted on 08/05/2010 23:15
514,819 voted for BNP

This is probably where THICKMICK takes the 'runaway' option.

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 23:30
514,819 voted for BNP

"I have for example in the living room put a layer of rockwool type insulation in the cavity between the joists and then put up new plasterboard."...[:D][:D]


"The insulation barely makes any difference and was wondering if i just double up the plasterboard will this make much of a noise reduction. Or do i have to go and buy some specialist board that will do a better dampening job."
[cr][cr][:D]

SP..would'nt it have been eaiser and cheaper to have just bought a new house or perhaps have one built!!LMAO!![:D]
ORas ive said...went upstairs like a man and told them to shut the f00k up![:o)]

SplendidStuff Posted on 08/05/2010 23:35
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You obviously are THICK MICK.

You cant ask people to stop walking [:D]

Old properties need care and attention with the odd lift and tuck.

And no it would not be cheaper to buy a new house or have one built, but then common sense has never been your strong point.

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 23:38
514,819 voted for BNP

I'm guessing that MADMICK was MY_NAMES_NOBODY then?

Why the name change, was he banned?

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 23:39
514,819 voted for BNP

SS..."Just been reading up, found some info i had never come across and that is to just use joist hangars and make a suspended ceiling which wont absorb the vibrations as its fixed to the wall just below existing ceiling. This can then be insulated and boarded over and should make a massive improvement.

Bit more work like but anything for a bit of peace and quiet. "

MM...GO UPSTAIRS AND TELL THE F00KERS TO SHUT UP!!

SS..."Just thinking what dimension wood i will need to make a suspended ceiling.

If its going to be plasterboarded it will need to take some weight."

MM.....LISTEN SP..GO BANG ON THIER FLAT DOOR AND TELL THEM...TO SHUT THE F00KING NOISE UP!!

SS..."Got a laser, bought it 2 years ago, finally a use for it[:D]"

MM.....F00king hell Splendid...thats going a bit to far![:O]...dont forget to set it to "Stun" will you![:D][:D]


SplendidStuff Posted on 08/05/2010 23:43
514,819 voted for BNP

I dont know if i should laugh or be concerned.

Is anyone else witnessing what is happening.

The downward spiral of a nutcase. Last time we saw this on such a scale was that german boro bliss bird commiting online suicide or something

MADMICK Posted on 08/05/2010 23:44
514,819 voted for BNP

"Sound will get through whereever it can. It may be coming down the chimney too."

No wonder Santa didnt bring my Xmas prezzie last year..SP blinded the f00ker with his laser gun![:O][:D]

SplendidStuff Posted on 08/05/2010 23:54
514,819 voted for BNP

I did chuckle at that THICKMICK, and sorry to do this to you, but it was a laser spirit level not a gun.

This isn't star trek, although you are looking for spaceships in yer modified camera [:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 08/05/2010 23:58
514,819 voted for BNP

[:D]

Dear God! What a dimwit MADMICK is!


MADMICK Posted on 09/05/2010 01:17
514,819 voted for BNP

"I did chuckle at that THICKMICK, and sorry to do this to you, but it was a laser spirit level not a gun."

Really?...you dont say.[rle]

PD...your the Dim Wit...have you never watched Star Trek?..they used to use lasers in that program for joinery work on the SS Enterprise, ive often heard them saying...."The Beam is up Scotty"....DOH[:o)]

197in213 Posted on 09/05/2010 09:35
514,819 voted for BNP

It's been pretty boring reading this thread, as the issues have got lost under a pile of slagging off. Nobody seems to question numbers anymore and everybody seems to have taken 514,819 BNP Votes cast as the correct total, but is it?

One Google later and I got:
2001 41,129
2005 192,850
2010 563,743

which is even more than originally quoted. I have not the energy to add them up myself, so which one is right?

It also means the the FACT that MADMICK quoted of a 170% increase since the last election is wrong.

The BNP vote has risen by 293% since 2005, or almost THREE times bigger, and by 1196% since 2001 or almost TWELVE times bigger.

That is a rising curve that voters as well as politicians in the UK should begin to take more seriously.

Also, when people talk about PR can we recognise that there are many ways to organise it and it would still be possible under PR to get a 1,000,000 votes nationally but not have a single seat to show for it.

Buddy Posted on 09/05/2010 09:56
514,819 voted for BNP

You're missing the number of seats contrested in that equation 197. The vote per seat is 3% higher than it was in 2005, up from 1620 to 1670.

Adi_Dem Posted on 09/05/2010 10:04
514,819 voted for BNP

Here are some of Griffin's quotes:

"Thousands of Jews were probably killed but this idea of gas chambers is nonsense"

"We are happy for blacks to remain here is they have embraced British values, like Trevor McDonald"

After a lady told him that she wouldn't be voting BNP "She probably has a black sister or a black kid".

"It's too late for re-patriation and we wouldn't get the funding for it"

"We should sink a few boats coming from Africa. We should sink them just off the coast and throw them lifeboats to show them that they will never get to Europe"

"The KKK are an almost totally non-violent organisation"


Link: Have a watch of this

197in213 Posted on 09/05/2010 10:16
514,819 voted for BNP

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