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HolgateCorner Posted on 05/05/2010 23:23
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you will be too young to remember the Thatcher years, so let me enlighten you -

Record inflation
Record unemployment
The Poll Tax
Riots in the streets
The mining industry shut down
Manufacturing industry shut down
Everywhere except the south east left to rot
A neglected NHS on the cusp of privatisation
Schools where parents were left to buy the books.
The cheap sale of nationalised industries to the private sector.
The cheap sale of our social housing stock to the private sector.

And Tories on here try to lecture us about 'sensible' government and management of the economy!

That's why people like me want Brown returned tomorrow.

Lest we forget.

IsaacHunt Posted on 05/05/2010 23:25
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Times have changed.

Policies change.

Stop living in the past.

Vote Tory for a brighter tomorrow.

boroste Posted on 05/05/2010 23:25
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Shall we list the failures of this government, we could go on all day.

Get Brown out for gods sake. Its going to happen as well, the country has had enough

HolgateCorner Posted on 05/05/2010 23:39
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so if the tories offer such a great future why isn't Cameron doing better in the opinion polls?

people like me have seen and heard people like you during plenty of previous elections.

degsyspesh Posted on 05/05/2010 23:46
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Holgatecorner, using your argument then should we not vote labour because of what they were like under callaghan, foot and kinnock or just because of what they have been like in the last 13 years???

jam69 Posted on 05/05/2010 23:54
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spot on holgate,still the tory voters can sleep easy knowing how much money they have put into the eton old boys retirement fund

lambethred Posted on 06/05/2010 00:37
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holgate is more than spot on. i too went through the 80's and it was not pretty. the only thing that lightened it up was that monster thatcher crying on the steps of no 10. i'm much older now but if cameron wins i'll make damn sure i play my part in having him weeping as he too departs from no 10.

br14 Posted on 06/05/2010 04:29
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"why isn't Cameron doing better in the opinion polls"

Because he hasn't been able to buy off the media.

The whole thing is done via PR these days. Most posters on here haven't really got a clue what the candidates propose to do if elected anyway.

scarborosmoggy Posted on 06/05/2010 05:44
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Well said Holgate.[^]

ray192 Posted on 06/05/2010 05:54
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Holgate [^]

r00fie Posted on 06/05/2010 05:59
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Holgate[^]

dave42 Posted on 06/05/2010 08:10
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[V]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 06/05/2010 08:12
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'And Tories on here try to lecture us about 'sensible' government and management of the '

it's a totally different party now, the tories. Thats clear to see. They seem to have progressed after the failure of Michael Howard, willing to try something new.

Something labour couldnt do after Tony Blair left.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 06/05/2010 08:14
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br14....

"why isn't Cameron doing better in the opinion polls"

"Because he hasn't been able to buy off the media. "

Probably the most ridiculous statement I've seen on here in a long time. Would you like me to list the media that have "bought" Cameron ?

onion_budgie Posted on 06/05/2010 08:19
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'Vote Tory for a brighter tomorrow.'

Especially if you've got very rich parents

Not_Smog Posted on 06/05/2010 08:19
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SmogOnTheRhin - David Cameron is Rupet Murdoch's finger puppet.

Anyone with half a brain can see that.

The Sun has a copy of Obama's famous poster with a picture of Cameron's head and the word HOPE written underneath it.

It nearly made me phyisically ill when i saw it this morning.

Dibzzz Posted on 06/05/2010 08:32
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HolgateCorner

You forgot to mention the horrible tw@t taking milk off the kids at school.

speckyget Posted on 06/05/2010 08:36
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New, eh Razmond?

Care to enlighten the group about what has changed with the Tories? Apart from a shiny new shiny frontman?

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 06/05/2010 08:41
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David Cameron is in his 40s - he was a student and started work under Thatcher. He clearly knew what Thatcherism was about and he joined the party under Thatcher.

That to me says he looked at Thatcherism and thought "that's for me".

That's all I need to know.

Big_Jacks_Sweater Posted on 06/05/2010 08:49
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A lot of people on here have very selective memories, conveniently forgetting about the $hit state of this country before Thatcher got elected - and the reason she got elected.

Strikes bringing this country to its knees
Labour coseying upto their trade union masters - too impotent to govern effectively
Callahan and Heally crawing to the IMF to rescue the country - lumbering us with a debt and credit rating like Greece
Paying a third of your wages in tax to prop up in-effective, unprofitable nationalised industries so the lazy feckless workers can sleep through their night shifts - when they weren't on strike.
Run away inflation year after year
etc. etc. etc..... it was fcuking grim and this country was on it knees.

I lost my job in the 80's but don't blame Thatcher. The people responsible were the previous Labour governments who had taken us to the brink of ruin. Thatcher was a necessary evil that turned the country around. Yes it was tough medecine but she had the guts to do it.

Also I dont recall labour undoing too many of the tory policies ? We all benefited from home ownership and privitisation as our savings and pension funds grew - until that useless cnut Brown came along and plunderred our pensions [:(!]

Here we are again after years of labour government and guess what - our ecconomy is fcuked and once more we, the ordinary people, are going to have to pay for it just as we did under Thatcher. But just like then the cause was the previous labour government.

Labour always fcuk us up !!!!!!!!!!




Lurcher Posted on 06/05/2010 08:52
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Holgate [^]

E-PRIME Posted on 06/05/2010 08:53
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It's moody, Shakespearean, dark skies here in Bradford East this morning.

Just been to vote.

I wonder whether it's darkest just before dawn or whether it's the start of a long cold night.

Labour [X]

I fear for the nation's needy over the next 24hrs.

Get your vote on!

onion_budgie Posted on 06/05/2010 08:59
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Thatcher may have successfully dealt with the unions and rolled back the state - but she had no credible plan to replace what had been lost in the longer term to create a stronger country and economy. Leaving it to the market is not the answer - as was resoundingly confirmed in 2008.

She was more interested in achieving narrow political objectives going back to the Heath gov't than looking after the national interest. That's why she's a well-hated c*nt.

Big_Jacks_Sweater Posted on 06/05/2010 09:14
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What pl$$es me off is that having gone through all the pain of the early Thatcher years and come out the other side we have had a period of sound growing ecconomy, low inflation, relatively low unemployment, real feel good - only for Brown and labour to go and fcuk it all up again. And we are all going to have to pay for it.

Its cuts and tax increases for everyone whoever wins thanks to this useless bunch of turds.

I can never forgive this vvanker for raiding our pension funds so now they are all under funded and the plug is being pulled on final salary pensions.

maxi_levey Posted on 06/05/2010 09:32
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Holgate..[^]..fcuk the Tory cnuts.

RenzoRosso Posted on 06/05/2010 10:16
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My old man worked for Davy Mckee in Stockton back then and did soem work for the government as well, he was invited by Richard Needham (sir, Earl of Kilmoray?)who was the then Minister of State for Trade to a Tory Meeting on business polocy. He went and was absolutly horrified by their frank admission that they were prepared to let the industrial north rot and direct all new industries elswhere, basically accepting that they woudl never get a vote there so there was no point in investing public funds.

That was at the time when Cameron was a Tory stratagist specialising in the economy so it's not inconcioevable that he was involved/influenced by these decisions. Do we rerally want to take the risk?

jam69 Posted on 06/05/2010 10:20
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cameron has already stated that the tories will cut funding for the north east

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 06/05/2010 10:25
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Do you really think tory voters care ?

John67 Posted on 06/05/2010 10:57
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People on here saying that the Cons have changed is utter bull. I am in a LibCon pact local council seat and a few monhths ago two people got letters from the council stating that someone was coming round to look at their care packages. One person was 93 and a second world war veteran and the other is severly disabled. The council wanted to get them to pay for their care packages!!!! I called the council on their behalf and asked who the caller would be, a doctor or proffesional perhaps. No, it was a pen pusher. I pointed out that what they were doing was not only immoral but probably illegal and the visits were cancelled and the matter dropped. However, many frail and vunerable people would have agreed to the visit because of fear and lost money that they need to live a reasonable standard of life. That is the kind of thing they will do, just remember that when you vote today. They are the same bunch or arrogant, greedy uncaring swines they have always been.[:(!]

mattrich Posted on 06/05/2010 11:03
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The bottom line is there a 3 of a bad bunch to vote for who don't really give a XXXXXX about us. Anyone who thinks our lives will change for the better in the next 5 years is deluded.

bodmass Posted on 06/05/2010 11:06
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'cameron has already stated that the tories will cut funding for the north east'.

That's not what he said. He pointed out the private sector contribution to GDP was too low in the North East. Which is correct.

Who ever wins the election Labour, Lib Dem or Conservtive they will have to cut spending across the country because the public finances are so poor.

Rod100 Posted on 06/05/2010 11:06
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"why isn't Cameron doing better in the opinion polls"

Because he hasn't been able to buy off the media."

hasnt bought the media - nearly spilled my drink with that one. the media has been on browns case for well over a year.

and cameron even had to resort to bringing the death of his child into the debate in a sad attempt at vote winning.



WillMunny Posted on 06/05/2010 11:12
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"you will be too young to remember the Thatcher years, so let me enlighten you -

Record inflation"

Inflation was much higher in the mid seventies than it ever was in the eighties. Also the highest rate of inflation under Thatcher was 17.2%, which she inherited.

I stopped reading the OP once I got to the first lie.

speckyget Posted on 06/05/2010 11:14
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'He pointed out the private sector contribution to GDP was too low in the North East. Which is correct.'

So the North East is an autonomous economic entity, with its own GDP and balance of payments? It's statements like that that convince me the guy couldn't run a tuck shop.

Rod100 Posted on 06/05/2010 11:15
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record house repossesions [^]

interest rates [^]



edited [;)]

WillMunny Posted on 06/05/2010 11:16
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"record house possesions "

It was a great decade for exorcists!

Rod100 Posted on 06/05/2010 11:17
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lol - it was with tebbit at the the helm.

then leslie nielson came so they went with the repossesions [:D] [8D] [8)]

junouk Posted on 06/05/2010 11:18
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you cant seperate any of them this time around.

In the past both sides have phucked up and I am sure they will again.

The country is heading in the right direction, we are heading out of the recession and Gordon Brown took the strange step of reducing interest rates to keep people in employment. The rest of the world increased the interest rates to pay off the debt.

It was not long before all the major countries of the world, USA, China, Germany changed there policy and follow Englands lead in reducing rates.

At the time of the issues it was Osbourn (cons) saying you have to increase the base rate in line with the rest of the world but this government stood against this and changed the opinion of the world to help us get out of the problem.

Labour took a huge gamble and it worked. The reason the Cons are not doing better is they had no answer to this as they along with everyone else felt the country needed more money from each and everyone of us.

The world followed our lead in getting out of the crisis. I wonder what would have happened if we did not have a strong leader to turn everything around. Would it have been even worse and for longer? I fear after today we will find the answer to this.

Having said all that :) Vince cable is the only one I would trust as chancellor but lib dems have been useless in our area.

mad_frankie Posted on 06/05/2010 11:24
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"Government debt stood at £6 billion when Gordon Brown took over as Chancellor in 1997, but today stands at the unimaginable total of £167 billion."

Sums it all up in paragraph.

Whatever Labour are promising to fund,they haven't got the money.

You would have thought that the genius of the ex chancellor would realise that he was well over his credit card limit.

Labour are just lying - they haven't the money to keep funding.



onion_budgie Posted on 06/05/2010 11:32
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'Labour are just lying - they haven't the money to keep funding.'

None of the main parties are proposing to increase public spending.

It's case of how bitter you want your medicine and how severe the after affects, and whether you think its right to help the rich at the same time.

BigCasino Posted on 06/05/2010 11:50
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So we should stay true to our "class" and vote for Sir Stuart Bell. FFS

Not a f*****g chance!

bodmass Posted on 06/05/2010 12:05
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'So the North East is an autonomous economic entity, with its own GDP and balance of payments? It's statements like that that convince me the guy couldn't run a tuck shop.'

Again, it's not what he said. He was talking about the North East economy and how it was too heavily reliant on the state. He pointed out it needs a larger private sector to have a more balanced economy. And he is right.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 06/05/2010 12:10
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With regards to the initial post, with all that bad stuff that happened it's a good job Thatcher isn't standing this time round!

Stop living in the past!!!

markofdboro Posted on 06/05/2010 12:10
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IS she making a come back?

speckyget Posted on 06/05/2010 12:10
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The North East doesn't have its own economy. It's a meaningless statement, if true. And by the way - all these public sector workers in the North East - or anywhere else for that matter - where are they spending their earnings? In state-run shops or on government owned utilities?

onion_budgie Posted on 06/05/2010 12:13
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'Again, it's not what he said. He was talking about the North East economy and how it was too heavily reliant on the state. He pointed out it needs a larger private sector to have a more balanced economy. And he is right.'

This is true - but there's also a reason why the region is dependent on public sector jobs. He didn't say how he will overcomne this. Unless he funds private investment (this is an age of savage cuts remember, which the Cons are good at) it will never grow enough or quickly enough to transform the economy. Take an axe to the public sector and it's welcome back to 1983.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 06/05/2010 12:18
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The only things on that list that are any different after 13 years of labour are :

Inflation : Down due the rise of China, the RPI is just a measure of consumer goods. If you take the thing we all spend most of our money on, housing, then we've seen raging inflation.

Riots : Not as many now but lefties used to enjoy them anyway.

bodmass Posted on 06/05/2010 12:22
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'The North East doesn't have its own economy'.

Economics is not really your strong point is it Specky?

'all these public sector workers in the North East - or anywhere else for that matter - where are they spending their earnings? In state-run shops or on government owned utilities'?

Balanced economy. It's not all public sector jobs, a big chunk of state spending is welfare related. The private sector in the region has to grow.

Despite your political leanings, it's OK to agree with the opposition now and again. Even the professionals politicins occasional do it


John67 Posted on 06/05/2010 12:25
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'Riots : Not as many now but lefties used to enjoy them anyway'

Well at least the Lefties were fighting injustice and police brutality. The Con lot were hitting the police so that they could kill innocent little animals for fun [:o)]

speckyget Posted on 06/05/2010 12:25
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RPI includes housing costs.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 06/05/2010 12:30
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Stop moaning. The 80's were no tougher times than the current recession.

You make out losing your job is as comparable to fighting off Nazi invasions on Redcar beach FFS.

gravyboat Posted on 06/05/2010 12:32
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'Because he hasn't been able to buy off the media'

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha, and breath, hahahahahahahahahaha.

speckyget Posted on 06/05/2010 12:33
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'a big chunk of state spending is welfare related'

And where does that spending trickle to? Dare I mention the Keynes Multiplier? Or should I not given that economics isn't my strong point and your such a big brain?

As for agreeing with the opposition, I'd do it like a shot if you spouted anything more insightful than Daily Mail monkey toss.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 06/05/2010 12:35
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House prices included in the RPI?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 06/05/2010 12:38
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I think John Keynes would disagree actually.

speckyget Posted on 06/05/2010 12:44
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'House prices included in the RPI?'

I said housing costs - rents and mortgage interest.


SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 06/05/2010 12:44
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RPI includes house-prices and used to be the figure used for "inflation" until the powers that be decided to use CPI instead, which doesn't include house prices.

The effect of this - the government could pretend that inflation was low, thus keeping interest rates low, thus fuelling the credit bubble.

The rest is history.

Admittedly its not that simple.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 06/05/2010 12:47
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lest we forget sounds a bit nulabour

The Nazis denounced both capitalism and communism, accusing both of being associated with Jewish influences and interests.[16] They claimed that capitalism damages nations due to international finance, the economic dominance of big business, and Jewish influences within it.[17] They claimed that communism was dangerous to the well-being of nations because of its intention to dissolve private property, its support of class conflict and its aggression against the middle class, its hostility to small businessmen, and its atheism.[17] In response, Nazis declared support for a form of socialism that is to provide for the nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[18] Nazism, however, rejected class conflict-based socialism and economic egalitarianism, favouring instead a stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent, retaining private property, and the creation of national solidarity that transcends class distinction.[18] To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic “third position”; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 06/05/2010 12:49
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RPI/CPI whatever. It does include Blu-ray however, bound to come down in price.