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GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:05
Does immigration really affect you?

It makes XXXXXX all difference to me.

There are far more important things to worry about.

1. The environment.
2. The economy.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 29/04/2010 19:08
Does immigration really affect you?

to me it does,,this country is bursting at the seams,,no more,[:(!]

GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:09
Does immigration really affect you?

No it isn't.

rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:09
Does immigration really affect you?

i know iv actually started to fancy some women of asian origin..(the ones without facial hair)

[LOVE]

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 29/04/2010 19:11
Does immigration really affect you?

This country is shagged.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 29/04/2010 19:12
Does immigration really affect you?

Given it has a negative impact on the economy I guess it does.

Doink Posted on 29/04/2010 19:14
Does immigration really affect you?

We all have ancestors who are immigrants

TheBoy007 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:14
Does immigration really affect you?

Its never negatively affected me or anyone i know in fact i worked with a couple of Polish lads a year back and they were sound as a pound, if anything they had a positive impact on my life[^]

GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:15
Does immigration really affect you?

You're a slow-burner, aren't you rebel?

Have you only just noticed them?

TheBoy007 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:15
Does immigration really affect you?

"Given it has a negative impact on the economy I guess it does."

How?

slipshod Posted on 29/04/2010 19:16
Does immigration really affect you?

Positive impact[:D]
Please tell

Towell Posted on 29/04/2010 19:16
Does immigration really affect you?

It doesn't affect me but then again I'm not a bricklayer who's work has been undercut by a Pole who probably grafts harder than me for less money.


petedreadnought Posted on 29/04/2010 19:16
Does immigration really affect you?

I think the Lib Dems policy of dispersing immigrant workers around Britain is a good idea.

Britain's population is far too concentrated in London/South East at the moment.

GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:16
Does immigration really affect you?

How can you prove it has a negative effect on the economy? Most immigrants I know work their arses off, usually to support their families.

rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:19
Does immigration really affect you?

not just noticed them gill..just stopped hating them..

could do with chavving up a bit like and get rid of those nanna curtains they walk round in

but some are very good looking..i get the feeling that they would have belly tash's though [cr]

TheBoy007 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:20
Does immigration really affect you?

Gilzean because the Sun/Mail say so.

Towell Posted on 29/04/2010 19:20
Does immigration really affect you?

Lib Dems idea works in principle but the examples of places that Nick Clegg gives of where the policy works; Canada and Australia have some rather glaring geographical differences to us.


boro8686 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:20
Does immigration really affect you?

it has a hugely beneficial effect on the economy thats why governments allow it

GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:21
Does immigration really affect you?

Why did you hate them? Most Asian lasses I know are a good laugh.

rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:21
Does immigration really affect you?

i think if they stopped giving massive handouts to immigrants and shared the wealth then they wouldnt be as hated

[ref]

GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:22
Does immigration really affect you?

Oh right, cheers The Boy[sad]

junkyard_angel Posted on 29/04/2010 19:22
Does immigration really affect you?

Some of the best looking girls in Middlesbrough are in the Asian community.

rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:22
Does immigration really affect you?

just really had it drilled into me as a kid gillzean

plus never really got to talk to an asian lass as their "Master" is usually close by

slipshod Posted on 29/04/2010 19:23
Does immigration really affect you?

birds with taches[cr]

bear66 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:23
Does immigration really affect you?

Not at all

rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:23
Does immigration really affect you?

i agree a lot of them are good lookin..just saying i must be getting more mature now i see them as women and not foreign spongers

[LOVE]

Halle_Burton Posted on 29/04/2010 19:23
Does immigration really affect you?

Yes

we will be outnumbered in a couple of generations and the country is a lot worse than 20 years ago. Im more concerned for my kids there aren't too many english values left

GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:23
Does immigration really affect you?

Do we really give massive handouts to immigrants? Compared to our underclass?

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 19:23
Does immigration really affect you?

Peterdreadnaught..
"I think the Lib Dems policy of dispersing immigrant workers around Britain is a good idea.

Britain's population is far too concentrated in London/South East at the moment."

You f00king hypocrite!!..whats up?..i thought there was no problem with immigration?..all of a sudden you want to ship them out of where YOU live and push them on the rest of us eh..HARHARHARHAR..you f00king RACIST!

petedreadnought Posted on 29/04/2010 19:25
Does immigration really affect you?

Bad day at the office, MADMICK?

GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:26
Does immigration really affect you?

Halle, I don't think you're right, but so XXXXXXing what?

My ancestors came here, God knows when and we outbred the Celts.

rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:26
Does immigration really affect you?

i think so gillzean yeah

i have no basis for my theory..i just think we do

[ref]

the_elf_unit Posted on 29/04/2010 19:27
Does immigration really affect you?

keep them comming they keep me in a job

TheBoy007 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:27
Does immigration really affect you?

"Im more concerned for my kids there aren't too many english values left"

English values?? Like what???

Towell Posted on 29/04/2010 19:27
Does immigration really affect you?

There is evidence that the celts have never been outbred actually and we're as celtic as we are Anglo-Saxon. Basically the women were still celts and the men shagged them.


bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 29/04/2010 19:28
Does immigration really affect you?

polish brickies grafting harder than a englishman[cr][cr][cr][cr][cr][cr]i worked with 3 last year,,couldnt lay straight in bed,one was called slav,he phoned me 2 months ago to see if i fancyed working in canada[cr][cr]i sai fffoookkkk off pipca[;)]

GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:29
Does immigration really affect you?

rebel, XXXXXX to facts, if you think so, that's good enough for me, kid[;)]

Halle_Burton Posted on 29/04/2010 19:30
Does immigration really affect you?

Gil whereas we generally breed on an average of two per household we wil be outnumbered within two generations and if we are as soft as we are now not daring to br UNPC i can see it only getting worse.

Look at all the jocks in government and the mess they have made of the country

TheBoy007 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:30
Does immigration really affect you?

Yeh the evidence is that Celts weren't allowed to breed with fellow Celts. So we're all German/Spanish (apart from the ones with Danish, Norwegian, French ect blood)[^]

Towell Posted on 29/04/2010 19:32
Does immigration really affect you?

Eh?

TheBoy007 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:32
Does immigration really affect you?

halle what particular English values are you referring too???

GillZean Posted on 29/04/2010 19:32
Does immigration really affect you?

What evidence???

When was this law passed? Bloody Thatcher...[rle]

rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:33
Does immigration really affect you?

cheers gillzean..i also told stephen hawking about my thoughts that aliens exist but explained again i have no basis..and the f**ker sold "his" story

we wouldnt need facts if we didnt have gut feelings

[ref]

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/04/2010 19:33
Does immigration really affect you?

Its interesting to hear that our identity is being eroded, but never any examples given.

They generally are of benefit to the economy as they do the jobs others wont and lets not forget many have specialist skills that the country is in short supply of.

I cant say i am impacted at all in my day to day life, apart from listening to people vilify these people.

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 19:33
Does immigration really affect you?

petedreadnought...Sooooooo you want to boot the immigants out of the South East and up into the North of the country eh
whats up..getting a little squashed down there is it?
I think your just been racist, we should bring more in, theres loads of room down south yet.
lets live 6 families to a household i say[^]

Hitting home is it peter, and its going to get worse..a LOT worse..harharharharhar![:D]

boro8686 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:34
Does immigration really affect you?

Halle - i have never heard such rubbish where are you getting your facts for this iea?

Towell Posted on 29/04/2010 19:34
Does immigration really affect you?

Mitochondrial DNA

rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:35
Does immigration really affect you?

i think people are on about daft stuff like being able to say "p*ki & n*gger" stuff like that. although not very nice it WAS also an english thing i for one grew up on..

also the whole "it may offend someone of a different culture" is a pain in the ar$e

its the way the countrys goin, we have to get used to it..as the world did when slavery was abolished

[ref]

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 19:36
Does immigration really affect you?

"They generally are of benefit to the economy as they do the jobs others wont and lets not forget many have specialist skills that the country is in short supply of."

Yeah...like taking most of the production work jobs at south bank in the biscuit factory and at savoury kitchens filling trays with onion bargies..not to mention in the bottle factory packing cases of alcho pops.....how i wish we had an education system in this country so we could have been able to teach the people over here those skills[rle]

TheBoy007 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:36
Does immigration really affect you?

Towell did you say eh to me? I was just saying as the Angles and Saxons were Germanic and the Celts originated from Spain that we've all got German and Spanish blood in us.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 29/04/2010 19:37
Does immigration really affect you?

Not directly affected me, barring my neighbours on both sides handing over some delicious food. [^]

Has affected lads I know, especially scaffolders, platers, welders, etc for work in Grimsby due to the boat of 500 odd Italians moored in the port working at Immingham. Can see why they get upset over immigration!

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/04/2010 19:38
Does immigration really affect you?

MICK we have people in this country who have no skills or education and dont want any, equally they dont want to take those jobs you mentioned so of course immigrants are a benefit in this instance.

Towell Posted on 29/04/2010 19:38
Does immigration really affect you?

Have you gave them some corned beef in return Rodders?

TheBoy007 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:39
Does immigration really affect you?

They're aren't immigrants though are they rodney? They are workers that a foreign firm have brought in as cheaper labour.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 29/04/2010 19:41
Does immigration really affect you?

Yes Gillandi, it does.

and you too I might add.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/04/2010 19:41
Does immigration really affect you?

MADMICK, there's probably a very good reason why most people on here don't converse with and when they do it's either to ridicule you and knock you down a peg or two.

Try taking a deep breath and posting something a bit more coherent, less disjointed and less angry. You might find that people will take you serious.

speckyget Posted on 29/04/2010 19:42
Does immigration really affect you?

'also the whole "it may offend someone of a different culture" is a pain in the ar$e'

Only this is never encountered outside of certain newspapers. People from different cultures are remarkably thick skinned in my experience.


rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:45
Does immigration really affect you?

iv had it a few times myself specky, but funnily enough its most of time been white people warning that it may..rather than a brown person saying it has

but when i was younger it didnt even matter

[ref]

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 29/04/2010 19:50
Does immigration really affect you?

this country is a little tiny nation and any more people let in we are going to sink[sad]

zzzzz Posted on 29/04/2010 19:51
Does immigration really affect you?

Very much so.

Me and hundreds of thousands of others who work overseas. If we shut our borders there's a fair chance it'd be repeated in a lot of the countries we work in so we'd all be in the UK full time and out of work. And we wouldn't be bringing the money we earn back into the uK.

It would affect a lot of the big UK Oil Companies who have most of their Operations overseas as well. Again if we shut up shop there's a fair chance that it would affect the likes of BP and Shell who contribute £Billions in taxes to the UK economy.

So it's not just about the immigrants in this country. If we shut up shop it would affect every man woman and child in the UK.

Not something the BNP or MADMICK would tell you that.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 29/04/2010 19:53
Does immigration really affect you?

"Have you gave them some corned beef in return Rodders?"

No mate I`m English not Argentinian![ref]

"They are workers that a foreign firm have brought in as cheaper labour."

Migrant workers/immigrants same thing really in my book. Not right though is it? Cheap labour brought into the country putting locals out of work. The italians on the boat are fed and sleep on the boat so provide no income to the commercial business of the town like travelling lads would either.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 29/04/2010 19:55
Does immigration really affect you?

"How can you prove it has a negative effect on the economy? Most immigrants I know work their arses off, usually to support their families"

Statistically immigrants are significantly less likely to be in employment than UK born residents.

The population of the UK is not actually increasing, because many are emigrating, taking with them their wealth.

All in all the economy suffers, if that wasn't obvious.

Towell Posted on 29/04/2010 19:55
Does immigration really affect you?

Argentines aren't daft enough to eat corned beef.


Rodney_Trotter Posted on 29/04/2010 19:58
Does immigration really affect you?

What about the Argentinians though?[;)]

rebel666 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:58
Does immigration really affect you?

maradona looks like he enjoys the corned beef [LOVE]

littlejimmy Posted on 29/04/2010 20:01
Does immigration really affect you?

zzzzz, that is a SUPERB point. I've never thought of it like that, even though I have worked overseas myself. Nice one. [^]

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 29/04/2010 20:01
Does immigration really affect you?

zzz are you trying to justifie your self becouse you are a immigrant abroad,,,[;)]

Towell Posted on 29/04/2010 20:02
Does immigration really affect you?

Don't be daft there's no oil & gas in Pakistan, India or Poland. Get a grip.


Gillandi Posted on 29/04/2010 20:05
Does immigration really affect you?

No immigration doesnt bother me. I was walking my dog yesterday through a street and he was pounced on and fussed over by a few little kids. The littlest ones, aged about 3 or 4 were speaking Slovakian. I know because I asked the oldest one where they were from. For a 6 year old her English was excellent but her first question confused me. She said "does he eat?" I said "yeah, better than me." She laughed and said "You eat?" I said "yeah, way too much." She said "No, only bad dogs eat. He nice dog." Then I realised English was her second language and she meant "bite". I came away blessing her daddy's little leather work boots.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 29/04/2010 20:07
Does immigration really affect you?

the brits working abroad have skills to offer,most immigrants in this country have nothing to offer it,,exept we feed them,free health care,give them cash,housing,if nothing to offer the off ya pop lads n lasses,your not getting a free ride here sonny jims[;)]

junkyard_angel Posted on 29/04/2010 20:07
Does immigration really affect you?

Those Italians are contractors, just like we have contractors working all over the world. Especially people from this area.

littlejimmy Posted on 29/04/2010 20:09
Does immigration really affect you?

"most immigrants in this country have nothing to offer it"

You just can't argue with ignorance of this magnitude. [|)]

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 29/04/2010 20:11
Does immigration really affect you?

the difference with our contractors working abroad is,,the country they are working in doesnt have the work force,and the brits are not working for less,here we have the work force,but the italians will work for less[:(]

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 29/04/2010 20:11
Does immigration really affect you?

The majority of British workers abroad are there because the countries don`t have the skills to fill positions.

We don`t need Polish scaffolders or Italian welders in this country whilst there are Brits out of work. That`s the difference. IMO


boro8686 Posted on 29/04/2010 20:11
Does immigration really affect you?

i think he simply oes it to get a rise noone can be that simple.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 29/04/2010 20:12
Does immigration really affect you?

roders[^]

junkyard_angel Posted on 29/04/2010 20:15
Does immigration really affect you?

"the difference with our contractors working abroad is,,the country they are working in doesnt have the work force,and the brits are not working for less,here we have the work force,but the italians will work for less[:(]"

Rubbish. we have people working in Norway, the Netherlands etc. It all depends who is running the job.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 29/04/2010 20:16
Does immigration really affect you?

If it`s a Blue/Green/Pink book site all trades should be paid at the rate stated in them. [^]

ClaireSmith Posted on 29/04/2010 20:16
Does immigration really affect you?

No.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 29/04/2010 20:16
Does immigration really affect you?

maybe,but we are not working for less than the locals[;)]

zzzzz Posted on 29/04/2010 20:17
Does immigration really affect you?

I've just come home from a stint in Italy, as an 'Immigrant' if that's what you like to call it.

The world's a smaller place bigdick. And not flat.

junkyard_angel Posted on 29/04/2010 20:19
Does immigration really affect you?

I would be surprised if those Italians are not earning the site rate.

littlejimmy Posted on 29/04/2010 20:27
Does immigration really affect you?

If the world was a level playing field and had full freedom of movement this wouldn't happen. People would go where the work is. Idealistic, I know, but the point is that even within the EU there are wage and cost differentials and corporations exploit this fact to bring cheaper workers in where local labour would cost more.

It's all done to keep wage inflation low...as is maintaining a certain level of unemployment Too many people direct their anger at immigrants and spongers (prodded by those corporate owned media-outlets) rather than the people who are actually responsible for this situation.

This is where the good intentions of the EU are falling down at the moment. Not that this a reason to pull out, though. We stand a better chance of influencing it from within.

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 20:27
Does immigration really affect you?

"MADMICK, there's probably a very good reason why most people on here don't converse with and when they do it's either to ridicule you and knock you down a peg or two.

Try taking a deep breath and posting something a bit more coherent, less disjointed and less angry. You might find that people will take you serious."

HA!..I get you now peterdreadnaught...you mean like calling people racist then coming on here telling people you want to boot the immigrants out of the part of the UKwhere you live in and send them all up here to the north east...why do you want to get them out of the part of the country you live in peter?

Im supprised the pro immigration clan on here arnt up in arms over your comments...but then again, ive already said they/your a bunch of hypocrites, so what else can one expect.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 29/04/2010 20:28
Does immigration really affect you?

TheBoy007 Posted on 29/04/2010 19:39

"They're aren't immigrants though are they rodney? They are workers that a foreign firm have brought in as cheaper labour."

"I would be surprised if those Italians are not earning the site rate."

Me too.

However I don`t see what benefit bringing in Italians to the UK and paying for mooring fees and feeding them instead of using local labour.

What benefit are these to the UK?

The freedom of movement across the EU is a larger part of the `immigrant` problem rather than those from outdie the EU. IMO

junkyard_angel Posted on 29/04/2010 20:32
Does immigration really affect you?

It's just the way the world works. If a UK firm was building a power station in Germany they would take a lot of their own workers with them.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/04/2010 20:34
Does immigration really affect you?

MADMICK, who have I called a racist and where have I said I want to boot out immigrants from the South East and send them to the North East?

You're simply seeing and reading things that aren't there because you're unable to to muster a decent argument.

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 20:36
Does immigration really affect you?

Junkyard..i think theres a bit of difference in building a(nuclear?) power staion and errecting scaffolding..dont you?

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 20:40
Does immigration really affect you?

petedreadnought

"I think the Lib Dems policy of dispersing immigrant workers around Britain is a good idea.

Britain's population is far too concentrated in London/South East at the moment."

That pretty much says to me you want immigrant workers out of the south east and into other parts of the country.
and just for the record, ive lost count of the number of times you have called me a racist...im not even sure you understand what the word means..maybe thats down to your preudices against immigrants in the South of the country clouding your thinking?

petedreadnought Posted on 29/04/2010 20:50
Does immigration really affect you?

So I was right then, you are seeing and reading things that aren't there then.

I don't remember ever calling you a racist MADMICK, I'd ask you to give examples but I suspect you won't or can't. I've looked on catflaporama and have found nothing that backs up your claim either, maybe you could have a look.

Again, no where did I say that I wanted immigrant workers out of the South East and moved to the North East. What I said was that the Lib Dems policy to disperse immigrant workers around the country to jobs in those locations was a good idea because the population in the South East/London is disproportionate. It's a valid solution I feel in filling job vacancies around the nation rather than have mass unemployment in the South East.

In future, if you're unsure about something, rather than losing your rag, smashing your keyboard and humiliating yourself ask for an explanation.

junkyard_angel Posted on 29/04/2010 20:52
Does immigration really affect you?

Madmick, I was talking about Italian welders fitters sparks etc. The type of people who would be building that power station.

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 21:00
Does immigration really affect you?

"Again, no where did I say that I wanted immigrant workers out of the South East and moved to the North East. What I said was that the Lib Dems policy to disperse immigrant workers around the country to jobs in those locations was a good idea because the population in the South East/London is disproportionate. It's a valid solution I feel in filling job vacancies around the nation rather than have mass unemployment in the South East."

You agree with the libdems that immigrants should be moved out of the south east..therefore thats what you are saying..how can you agree with something then say your not saying that..if your not saying it, then DONT agree.

I know you dont live in the north east, but take my word for it, we already have mass unemployment.

Why are you so willing to see the immigrants moved out of the South and disperesed around the country...isnt this against everything you stand for?..they way you and others on here talk about the need for more immigrants to come into the country, i thought youd be well happy your getting overcrowded with them down south.
Its nice to know you dont have a promblem down there, id hate to think it was getting to you living like a sardine in a tin of sardines peter[^][:D]

borobadge Posted on 29/04/2010 21:03
Does immigration really affect you?

only for the better...

my life here on earth has been enriched in so many ways by peoples from around the world comeing in to the u.k (although i have only ever lived in england) to live, to work and to be part of my society....

their enrichment (before one of the ku klux goons ask) has come in many forms, education, language, food, life experiences, music, art, travel...

embrace the human race and live a life.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/04/2010 21:07
Does immigration really affect you?

Why are you so willing to see the immigrants moved out of the South and disperesed around the country...isnt this agains everything you stand for?..they way you and other on here talk about the need for more immigrants to come into the country,
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I'll start off with this as I can't understand the rest of your post.

Firstly, explain what it is I stand for, you seem to know despite me not having stated such.

Secondly, give some examples of me talking "about the need for more immigrants to come into the country". Seriously, for once MADMICK, don't avoid it, back yourself up otherwise your lies and fabrications will be treated with the contempt they deserve.

Also, are you going to show me where I called you a racist?

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 22:15
Does immigration really affect you?

Peter the racist, done himself up like a kipper and now trying to wiggle his way out of it!! HARHARHARHARHAR!!...LOVE IT![^][:D][:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 29/04/2010 22:20
Does immigration really affect you?

Nothing to back yourself up with, MADMICK?

Why is that then?

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 22:25
Does immigration really affect you?

Why do i need to back myself up against a racist like you peter (kick em all out of the souf for the norf) dreadnaught!

I think you've just invented a new phrase peter...its called...Regional Racism[^][:D][:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 29/04/2010 22:32
Does immigration really affect you?

So you've avoided answering my questions, refused to back yourself up against the allegations you level at me and now are calling me a racist because you've purposefully twisted my words to suit your agenda, which in part is designed to draw attention away from your cowardice and stupidity?

There's do wonder you're ignored by most and ridiculed by the others, you're completely unable to remain level-headed and sensible.

MADMICK Posted on 29/04/2010 22:34
Does immigration really affect you?

Your feeling a right plonker for posting that thread now arnt you peter...i can tell!![:I]

[:D][:D][:D][:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 29/04/2010 22:36
Does immigration really affect you?

What thread was that then?

lambethred Posted on 29/04/2010 23:31
Does immigration really affect you?

me mum and dad were immigrants so it doesn't. humans travel. get over it.

BoroPhil Posted on 30/04/2010 00:13
Does immigration really affect you?

I genuinely love immigrants. I love meeting people from different cultures and backgrounds. The more the better. Can we swap one for madmick?

petedreadnought Posted on 30/04/2010 00:42
Does immigration really affect you?

Are you suggesting that MADMICK isn't cultured?


redwurzel Posted on 30/04/2010 01:23
Does immigration really affect you?

Its hard to tell

the positives are that immigrants generally worker harder and for less which reduces the costs of goods and services. They can also bring a good spirit of enterprise

On the other hand if you lose your job because someone from Romania can do it for half the pay it does affect you or if your local hospital runs out of funds because it is treating non UK citizens or your local authority needs to spend money on supporting non english speaking immigrants so other services are not funded yes you are affected.

It tends to be people who are lower down the income order that are affected, while more wealthier benefit. Hence Gordon Brown reaction to the working class lady - you bigot as he probably can't put himself in her position.

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 30/04/2010 02:54
Does immigration really affect you?

Yes. My wife is a non-EU national. It makes you understand immigration in a real way that has a direct impact on your life. It makes you aware of the cruel anti immigration laws that this government has introduced. It makes you realise how people's families can be split up and lives ruined because of legal technicalities. It makes you think about how awful it must be to be a refugee, fleeing oppression only to be imprisoned and treated like a criminal. It makes you understand that the world is now a small place and that people travel for work & education, people marry and have kids with people from different countries. It makes you understand that immigration is the most natural, human condition. It makes you angry with peoples prejudice towards 'foreigners' & 'immigrants'. It makes you realise above all that we are all just human beings.

MADMICK Posted on 30/04/2010 03:56
Does immigration really affect you?

kernaghanscodpiece, thats a very touching story, but you could say the same thing about people already in this country that cant get work because mass immigration has meant people have come here from countries to work for peanuts when the money they earn is sent back "home" is worth 10 times the value, yet people in this country need a higher wage to live at even minimal living standards. Its nice to be able to help everyone if possible, but surely charity begins at home and theres more than enough people in this country crying out for it.

as redwurzel has said, its the people lower down the income order that are the most effected and many dont see it been right that they are not been helped while "outsiders" are.

br14 Posted on 30/04/2010 05:14
Does immigration really affect you?

In large measure it depends on labour market conditions.

In a bouyant labour market, immigrant labour can help to suppress the worst excesses of demand wage inflation.

In a depressed labour market, immigration serves to increase the numbers of unemployed and effectively lowers overall salaries.

For example in my profession, mass immigration has caused a suppression of salary levels to the extent that the rate I would be paid today in the UK is less than I was making in 1994.

That having been said, I can see there are some benefits to immigration.

But 3% population growth over the past 12 years hasn't exactly improved road congestion and general living conditions.

Immigration naturally affects everyone. Not always for the worse, but there's always an impact.

And right now with unemployment levels having risen 2.5% in two years allowing mass immigration to the UK would be truly stupid.

What is interesting is that when my cousin tried to get her Haitian husband of 4 years into the country, she had a hell of a time. But I'll bet an Indian outsourcing company has no problem at all getting work permits. Certainly the ones I've worked for/with have had no problems.

r00fie Posted on 30/04/2010 05:17
Does immigration really affect you?

Capital can cross borders without restriction, destroying whole communities and nations. Human beings are just pawns in capitals whims for private profit.

borolad259 Posted on 30/04/2010 07:39
Does immigration really affect you?

I'm extremely grateful for the efforts of a certain Mr Subramanian, for removing chronic pain from my life.
As well as he fellow who sells cheap coriander.

onion_budgie Posted on 30/04/2010 07:43
Does immigration really affect you?

Encouraging the controlled import of workers to come to this country to support the economy when you've got an ageing population and massive pension commitments seems like an eminently sensible thing to do imo.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 30/04/2010 07:48
Does immigration really affect you?

we could boost the local economy by employing workers from elsewhere to operate the local industry, just like we did when middlesbrough was founded [rle]

Miklaadt Posted on 30/04/2010 08:18
Does immigration really affect you?

It didn't until a Polish truck driver rammed me off the M62 two weeks ago.

aytonboro Posted on 30/04/2010 08:58
Does immigration really affect you?

the country is full and has been for a while. i base this assumption on the fact there is a lack of housing and a growing dole queue. as someone said earlier this country is XXXXXXed.

onion_budgie Posted on 30/04/2010 09:05
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There was a housing shortage (or shortage of afforbale housing for FTBs) long before the Poles showed up: that's why there are housebuilding targets. And i believe quite a few incomers went home as the downturn kicked in.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/04/2010 09:06
Does immigration really affect you?

Chris Rea, one of our own....


....oh, hang on....

mickbrown Posted on 30/04/2010 09:18
Does immigration really affect you?

When I first started my job here the cleaners were Irish and West Indian women in their 50's.

They've since retired and were replaced by a couple of Czech supermodels. One of them is a qualified accountant and now works in the office. The other has gone off to win Miss World or something.

The point is, immigration is nothing new.

dave_doriva Posted on 30/04/2010 09:22
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Love how people go mental over immigration but if they could go and work abroad for more money then most probably would!

Also we need some levels of immigration. Theres jobs in this country that we think we are 'above' and that we don't really want to do. Yeh the XXXXXXty cleaning jobs I'm talking about that everyone turns their noses up at.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 09:30
Does immigration really affect you?

an over population, creating a crazy house market.

university places going to students from abroad over students from this country as they pay more money to join the university.

immigrants doing work that could and should be done by our ever increasing unemployment level.

jam69 Posted on 30/04/2010 09:33
Does immigration really affect you?

didnt more people leave the uk than came to it last year?or does that not count as they are white?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 09:35
Does immigration really affect you?

leave on a perm basis or for a holiday?

does someone have those stats?

mickbrown Posted on 30/04/2010 09:37
Does immigration really affect you?

"immigrants doing work that could and should be done by our ever increasing unemployment level."

But they won't - that's the point.

There was an interview with a farmer on radio yesterday. He said agriculture would be on its arse if it wasn't for migrant workers. He's tried to fill positions with locals and they don't wan't to know. What should he do?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 09:40
Does immigration really affect you?

we have prisoners in our jails watching tv all day.. we have a great unemployment level.

it isnt about the farmer its about making the system such a way that if they didnt work they would get very little at all. Then any work would be appealing.

'They dont want to' is just an excuse for not tackling the problem.

bear66 Posted on 30/04/2010 09:44
Does immigration really affect you?

Does anyone here live / work abroad? I guess emigration affects you

Bernie_was_right Posted on 30/04/2010 09:46
Does immigration really affect you?

"didnt more people leave the uk than came to it last year?or does that not count as they are white?"

It counts because those leaving are the well off, and those coming in are arriving with outstreached palms. There is a reason that there are camps at Calais you know......

gerry_mander Posted on 30/04/2010 09:49
Does immigration really affect you?

i welcome it, were all immigrants.

some folk just have to have something to hate. yorkshire v lancashire, pakistani, jew, catholic , protestant, muslim, job seeker, blonde, tall, fat, skinny, african, ginger, gypsy, traveller, trade unions, white bread v brown bread, daddys v H.P.

the whole thing is a nonsense " i dont like you, you dont live on the same side of the street as me"

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 09:52
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"didnt more people leave the uk than came to it last year?or does that not count as they are white?"


i just googled this.

and there was no record of numbers of brits leaving uk i could find since 2007 about mid 2006, which was record levels (but still 200,000 more people came here)

however Nov 2009 was a report showing that a large number of immigrants in this country left in record numbers, Polish etc, because the work at that time was no longer here.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 09:54
Does immigration really affect you?

" i dont like you, you dont live on the same side of the street as me"

if jobs are offered firstly to people for other countrys because the employers know they can get them cheaper that does not help the state of this country financially.

bear66 Posted on 30/04/2010 09:54
Does immigration really affect you?

"those coming in" provide us all with the cheap services we seem to crave . . . whether its a cheap shirt at Primark or a cheap plumbing job or cheap window cleaning; it's an economy that makes the world go round and how we have houses full of 'stuff'

jam69 Posted on 30/04/2010 09:59
Does immigration really affect you?

most teesiders come from immigration stock,we all get a little greedy and self centred,instead of enjoying life we lie awke worring that someone is getting a better deal than us somewhere and the more we read the daily mail/express the worse the fear gets.
i keep hearing that these people are taking away our english values,but i still see plenty of people getting XXXXXXed up on crappy carling throwing up their takeaways whilst trying to start a fight/flag a taxi down so for me they will always be an england

GillZean Posted on 30/04/2010 09:59
Does immigration really affect you?

Absolutely mick.

The imigrants do the jobs our lazy spongers won't touch as it will affect their benefits.

If we didn't have housebuilding targets, our construction sector would be on it's arse. I don't think the population of the UK has altered significantly due to immigration. If anything, immigration has helped to ease the problem of an ageing population.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 10:05
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GillZean what about the problem of high unemployment?

what about house prices, supply and demand n all that. 167,000 for an average house price due to demand, average wage 25k. has immigration helped escalate the price of houses?

toxic_bob Posted on 30/04/2010 10:06
Does immigration really affect you?

I have no problem with immigrants but I do feel there are too many people in the country.

I would exterminate white chavs.

GillZean Posted on 30/04/2010 10:14
Does immigration really affect you?

Are immigrants buying up a lot of houses? Most seem to be from cultures where house ownership isn't as madly treasured as it is here. Most rent (I would guess) and it is more the greed of the English that inflate house prices, although some people would say high house prices are a good thing as it allows the owners to borrow the equity.

Swings and roundabouts really. I think the underlying problem is a lot of people are inherently racist, and they are the ones who are against immigration. People fear change.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/04/2010 10:17
Does immigration really affect you?

£167,000 for an average house price is not simply demand...

Its the removal of any need to prove earning when applying for a mortgage.
Its the removal of the 3x salary equation when applying for a mortgage.
Its the never-ending stream of property porn on our tv for the last 10 years
Its the scramble for buy-to-let money-for-nothing caused by this property porn
Its the stupidity of the British public buying into this giant ponzi scheme.
Its the lack of council housing.
Its the stigma of renting that gets hammered into everyone from every form of media.

10 years ago property was affordable. Now thanks to Gordon "we won't let the housing market overheat and risk damaging the economy" Brown we're in a situation where only the trashing of sterling and ridiculously damaging interest rates is propping the whole thing up.

The next few years is a train-wreck waiting to happen.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 10:21
Does immigration really affect you?

It shows at the the very least that there is a large demand for extra land to keep being built on for more housing due to a higher population. (you talk about environment being important)

whether they are buying or renting they are using the housing... arent they?

and that ineffect is increasing house prices.

You sound like you are unaware of the current borrowing situation with have in this country. Money isnt being borrowed thats the problem. It is too high a risk to be borrowing for something that is potentially 6 or 7 times your annual salary.

it is too easy and not very intelligent to call any concerns regarding immigrants as 'racist'.

Pogroy Posted on 30/04/2010 10:22
Does immigration really affect you?

I dont have a problem with immigrants per say however there are too many of them, jobs should be given to people in this country before offered to immigrants for most jobs such as nurses, building trade etc... as it was earlier said, we dont need italian welders and polish electricians when we have people unemployed who can do those jobs!

What really annoys me is we are paying for the many immigrants who dont work and dont speak english, my mother works in asda and she says every day there are god knows how many foreigners, african and middle eastern mostly who barely speak the language come in and sell there food vouchers for cash outside the shop.

Do people genuinely think that giving these people housing, food vouchers, free medical care and even stupid things such as free mobile top up vouchers doesnt affect our countrys finances? I know people who are out of work who dont get treat as well as they do and that is where the anger and frustration comes from!

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 30/04/2010 10:28
Does immigration really affect you?

"Are immigrants buying up a lot of houses? "

They all live somewhere and often it's in the inflated buy-to-let sector, which impacts on house prices. Since most MPs seem to have been dabbling in property (at our expense) it's no surprise that this has been encouraged.

GillZean Posted on 30/04/2010 10:41
Does immigration really affect you?

Smog on the Rhine, spot on.[^]

onion_budgie Posted on 30/04/2010 10:43
Does immigration really affect you?

Household growth due to more people living alone and for longer is more significant than population growth in driving housng demand in this country. Greed (eg BTL market) has also been significant in driving up the price of starter homes, meaning supply has to increase to help housholds get on the ladder and others to move up it etc.

If housing ownership / equity wasn't seen as the be-all and end-all however and we had a better private rented sector like Germany maybe demand wouldn't be such a issue. But we know who started all this.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/04/2010 10:46
Does immigration really affect you?

The only thing that wound me up on that debate last night was regarding affordable housing.... all 3 of them completely missed the point.

Can anyone explain to me why a generation ago you could buy a reasonable family home with garden for 3x salary (or less) on a 25 years mortgage and now you can only buy a poxy slavebox and even that on part-ownership - FFS you pay for 25 years and its only half-yours.

How is this progress. Its foooking madness. And its not immigration, if the foooking MPs were forced to hand back their BTL portfolios paid for at our expense it would be a start.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 10:47
Does immigration really affect you?

'Its the stigma of renting that gets hammered into everyone from every form of media.'

you are suggesting that if everyone rented, we would need less houses, and no one would have to buy them :o)

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 10:50
Does immigration really affect you?

onion_budgie you just made it sound like we have a boom in people living alone buying all these houses.

They are expensive enough for a couple.

I know of many people living together just to afford to have a home.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/04/2010 10:56
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Raz, a generation or two ago you had a large proportion of working class society happy to move into a council house, have a family, grow old, retire and move into a council bungalow. No house buying involved.

Then came Thatcher and it all changed.

Then the house-price boom in the late 80s and the similar, but even worse one in the early 2000's.

Houses as an investment - that really boils my piiss.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 11:00
Does immigration really affect you?

i agree that council housing is a very good idea.

I dont agree that we need to be building endless supplies of housing the achieve this goal.

it then becomes not only a population issue, a financial issue, but an environmental issue.

onion_budgie Posted on 30/04/2010 11:03
Does immigration really affect you?

'They are expensive enough for a couple.'

It certainly is for some FTBs as, until recently anyway, the BTLrs were in the market and gazumping them and pushing sale prices out of their reach in the process. The rented sector will soak up some of this demand from FTBs but people still want to be owner-occupiers. For singletons with equity it may be a different story.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/04/2010 11:09
Does immigration really affect you?

The figure last night from Nick Clegg was 1 million empty properties.

I reckon well over half are BTL, probably one-bedroom flats in places such as Leeds that nobody wants. Why are they remaining empty and not sold ? Simple, at 0.5% base rate the landlords can sit on them waiting for a magic upturn. They should be forced to sell and converted into social housing.

How many more second/holiday homes are there ? I've no idea but this must run into half a million I guess.

There are enough properties to go round, unfortunately they're not distributed justly.

Although I do agree, planning in this country is a joke.

onion_budgie Posted on 30/04/2010 11:28
Does immigration really affect you?

SOTR
I agree some will be new-build flats, but others will be old terraces / Council properties in grotty areas where people don't want to live.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 30/04/2010 11:30
Does immigration really affect you?

lots of new flats in Leeds been put on hold empty as the owners of the block would not make a decent enough profit at the current time.

Seems to be common place especially in the past year whilst hous prices dipped.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/04/2010 11:35
Does immigration really affect you?

You've sort of hit the nail on the head Raz.

In the 70's a lot of the area around the canal in Leeds would have been redeveloped as council housing for families.

Since Thatcher it has been about squeezing as much profit out of everything as possible - a 100 family homes or a thousand slave-boxes - simple equation for a private property developer in it for profit.

How did planning become this way ?

onion_budgie Posted on 30/04/2010 12:17
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TBF a lot of profit-conscious crap got built prior to Thatcher, as anyone who's ever lived in a 70's Barratt box could testify. Would be good to see some decent Council housing going up again though, but i don't expect it'll happen if the Cons get in.

BarnesBoroFC Posted on 30/04/2010 12:26
Does immigration really affect you?

To help the farmers the governement could, subsidise people from the job centre to work on the farm for two weeks.
He can then keep the ones who are willing to get stuck in.
The others go back on the dole.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/04/2010 12:28
Does immigration really affect you?

As one of the long-term unemployed Barnes [;)] - is this something that would appeal to you ?

MADMICK Posted on 30/04/2010 16:08
Does immigration really affect you?

mickbrown...

"There was an interview with a farmer on radio yesterday. He said agriculture would be on its arse if it wasn't for migrant workers. He's tried to fill positions with locals and they don't wan't to know. What should he do?"

What else did you expect him to say?

perhaps if he paid the local works enough money per hour to allow them to stay in thier homes and pay their mortgages instead of paying peanuts for cheap foriegn labour, he might have more locals working for him.
Would you go to work for £5.75 per hour when due to the country been overcrowded you had to take on a massive mortgage just so you could have a house to live in, and now you need to be earning £10 per hour just to pay the mortgage.





junkyard_angel Posted on 30/04/2010 16:49
Does immigration really affect you?

Farmers can't afford to pay decent wages because they are being squeezed out of existence by supermarkets demanding cheaper and cheaper goods.

Hundreds of dairy farmers have already thrown in the towel.

You see, greed is causing low wages is causing migrant workers.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 01/05/2010 09:02
Does immigration really affect you?

cameron said,and i quote,,,ther will be no layabouts in his government,if you dont work you dont get handouts,,,,so the low paid jobs would have to go to the locals[:P]if thats what he means[;)]

197in213 Posted on 01/05/2010 10:45
Does immigration really affect you?

I'm surprised by the number of people who have no idea that almost all of the English Speaking Peoples of these Islands came from abroad. English itself is an amalgam of other languages. German (Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc) Viking (Danes, Norweigans etc) and French (Normans) with a fair sprinkling of Dutch and other languages as the British Isles filled up with people coming in from Europe.

Teesside itself hardly had anyone living here 200 years ago. Iron + Coal and the Industrial Revolution brought in Poles and Irish especially and people from all over the place to fill the foundries with strong backs and to do the hard labour required. Boro supporters should feel at home amongst foreigners because that's our history.

Most of the adverse comments about immigrants seem to be based more on their colour rather than their country of origin. Naked racism or what?

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 01/05/2010 12:30
Does immigration really affect you?

many countrys through out the world were populated by immigrants,ie,australia,america,populated when ther was hardley any population,same for teesside,but that was then and this is now,,its not about race,its about looking after our fellow immigrants that have been here for years and years with jobs,health care housing,just like the usa,australia are doing now,,,,ok my fellow refugee[;)]

MADMICK Posted on 01/05/2010 14:08
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197in213, what a pathetically stupid post.

I think most people who have issues with peoples skin colour are the ones who constantly use it as a means of trying to deflect attention away from the problem of mass immigration.
Not one person has mentioned anyones skin colour other than you...why?

I'd suggest its just a cheap feable shot at trying to convert the problem of mass immigration into a racial issue...which it clearly is not.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 01/05/2010 14:26
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mickylad[^]thers to many librals on here[;)]

Piggy Posted on 01/05/2010 14:38
Does immigration really affect you?

It doesnt particularly affect me but to the extent that it does, it enriches our lives. A lot of people seem to want to return to the England of the 1940's. I reckon life is much more interesting these days and the change in the cultural make up of the UK is all part of that.

Welcome in, one and all.

197in213 Posted on 01/05/2010 15:03
Does immigration really affect you?

Dear Madmick - Thank you [^] for your kind words. Now that you have called my post

rug66 Posted on 01/05/2010 15:08
Does immigration really affect you?

all work but pay no taxs

petedreadnought Posted on 01/05/2010 15:10
Does immigration really affect you?

MADMICK is being destroyed with facts and he doesn't like it!

[:D]

UKLL1981 Posted on 01/05/2010 17:01
Does immigration really affect you?


It affects us all.


Link: Even Hazel Blears

br14 Posted on 01/05/2010 17:15
Does immigration really affect you?

"Can anyone explain to me why a generation ago you could buy a reasonable family home with garden for 3x salary (or less) on a 25 years mortgage and now you can only buy a poxy slavebox and even that on part-ownership - FFS you pay for 25 years and its only half-yours."

Stop for a moment and think who benefits politically from high house prices?

Labour policy is clear. They are attempting to create a majority who are more likely to vote for them.

If your income is low, and you can't own a home; or if you're on benefits because you can't get a low paying job due to over supply of labour at lower salary levels, you're probably going to vote Labour. It's just happened a bit quicker than they expected.

And I still don't understand why this issue is seen as a moral problem. Labour has increased immigration massively. By 500% from 1997. It's a political problem.

The issue isn't limited controlled immigration which is beneficial and fair for those immigrants already resident. It's deliberate mass immigration designed ultimately to create a change in British society.

MADMICK Posted on 01/05/2010 18:06
Does immigration really affect you?

"MADMICK is being destroyed with facts and he doesn't like it!"[:D]...you dozey tw@t, i nearly choked on my Indian curry when i read that![:(!]





could_it_be Posted on 01/05/2010 19:30
Does immigration really affect you?

"we could boost the local economy by employing workers from elsewhere to operate the local industry, just like we did when middlesbrough was founded"

the massive glaring difference is that way back when we had a hugely booming extraction and manufacturing sector to rival anywhere in the world and a tiny native population to cope with it whereas now all the industries on which teesside was founded and flourished are gone but we still have over a quarter of million people to support.

we simply dont need immigrant labour on teesside.

besides they dont come for the jobs they come ofr the benefits.

the key is in the thread title "does immigration really affect YOU" if it did, if you were a brickie or something similar and you were on the dole instead of working then your attiutude and answer may be very different to "yes, immigrants are fab and enriching"

can we stop with the myth that british manual workers are lazy, expensive and useless where as poles, etc are top grafters. there's good and bad workers of every nationality.

question: who among you actually work with immigrants? as in you have the same jo title or work in the same department? rather than they clean your office or serve your food?

uncontrolled immigration is a massive strain on our housing, healthcare, education and employment.

and if people want to bang on about immigration a 1000 or more years ago please dont forget there was no benefit system in place then to be abused.

not racist, just facts. labour screwed us here and they did it for nothing else other than to create a voting base for themselves.

MADMICK Posted on 01/05/2010 20:29
Does immigration really affect you?

could_it_be, thats the trouble with a lot of anti BNP voters, they harp on back to this year or that year for a comparisson...things have changed a lot since the end of the 2nd world war, and people need to look at todays circumstance to make an informed decision and not on happenings from 70 years ago.

More people = more roads more services more trains more more traffic on the roads..more of everything, then, when all the rebuilding is done, there will be more immigration into this country and the whole thing will start again...when will people decide this country cannot sustain any more people...and the question i would really like to know is...once mass immigration starts to effect them (and it will) what do they propose this country should do about it?..probably put an end to mass immigration no doubt...O Hang on a minute![rle]

petedreadnought Posted on 01/05/2010 20:35
Does immigration really affect you?

Funny as Hell reading MADMICK blabbering on about "informed decisions".

[:D]

MADMICK Posted on 01/05/2010 20:37
Does immigration really affect you?

Hello Rasicst..you still wanting to boot all the immigrants out of the south were you live and up into the north east then?
I dont know how you have the gaul to show your face after saying you agree with that idea..F00KING HYPOCRITE[:o)][V]

petedreadnought Posted on 01/05/2010 20:42
Does immigration really affect you?

MADMICK showing what an unintelligent idiot he is once again.

Go play with your crayons.

[^]

MADMICK Posted on 01/05/2010 20:44
Does immigration really affect you?

here Racist, ive drew a picture for you..........[:o)]

Strachans_Tossed_Caber Posted on 01/05/2010 20:45
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r00fie[^]

absolutely spot on.

petedreadnought Posted on 01/05/2010 20:47
Does immigration really affect you?

here Racist, ive drew a picture for you..........[:o)]
---
A self-portrait.

Nice one.

[^]

gerry_mander Posted on 02/05/2010 16:48
Does immigration really affect you?

22% value added tax when you vote conservative.

Urban_Legend Posted on 14/06/2010 12:50
Does immigration really affect you?

Or this?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 14/06/2010 12:53
Does immigration really affect you?

'Does immigration really affect you?'

Yes.