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Get_your_rat_out Posted on 26/04/2010 15:02
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"‘there are parts of the country, including the North East' where public spending is ‘unsustainable'."

A direct quote from Mr Cameron

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 16:00
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Back in the 70's we had a lot of business up here, the chemical complexes of Billingham and Wilton were booming, the steelworks were in full swing and the river was about to get busy.

The business rates paid into the coffers were considerable and we didn't need any propping up. Those business rates, that were paid to local government, were taken away by Mrs.T and placed in a central pot for redistribution.

Now that our contribution's (which were considerable) are drying up they want to change the rules again.

Surprise, surprise [:D]

MawTheMerrier Posted on 26/04/2010 16:02
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What did he mean by that?

Too many on benefits? If so i would agree.

Too many public servants? if so I agree.

There is a need to encourage entrepenrueship (s) to get our lads working for themselves.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 26/04/2010 16:04
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Jocks get more spent on them than the NE. Same for wales.

Something like £1.26/head for jocks and £0.96/hd for us.

That, is what needs to change.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 16:20
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They're not going to be able to creat a rule that stipulates those on benfits in a certain area will recieve less.

What they can do, and will, is look at cutting staff public facilities, possibly closing some down. Higher unemployment is on the cards for the area.


Raoul_Duke Posted on 26/04/2010 16:24
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Don't forget the sure start nurseries, affordable housing programs, new school buildings etc etc.

Anything that can be cut, will be cut, by that bumbling frog-face Osborne.

SidSnot Posted on 26/04/2010 16:28
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Over 60% of the local GDP is Public Sector. The North East is second only to Northern Ireland in the size of gap between public sector spending and overall tax take. He's absolutely right in what he says. Private Sector enterprise needs to be encouraged. The current situation is unsustainable.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 26/04/2010 16:30
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These cuts are coming anyway.

You could vote for Rolf Harris (God rest his soul) and it wouldn't matter a jot.

Only the excuses will be different.

If the Torys are in, it'll be typical Tory c*nts.

If it's under Labour it'll be because of the global economic crisis caused by global issues, global, global, globally.

speckyget Posted on 26/04/2010 16:46
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The notion of a 'local GDP' is asinine. People are in employment or not, their employer could be the State, private enterprise or the voluntary sector. Whichever applies, spending of their disposable income ends up in private coffers, that's where it trickles to, but does it stay within a region? Of course it doesn't, it doesn't even stay within the country much of the time.

Raoul_Duke Posted on 26/04/2010 16:46
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"Over 60% of the local GDP is Public Sector. The North East is second only to Northern Ireland in the size of gap between public sector spending and overall tax take. He's absolutely right in what he says. Private Sector enterprise needs to be encouraged. The current situation is unsustainable."

I assume that you cannot encourage the private sector without cutting the public sector then?

the_elf_unit Posted on 26/04/2010 16:58
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The destroyed Conset and Shildon in two swift pen strokes by closing the steel works and shildon "shops" in the early 80's neither town has fully recovered.

All tories are Tw@ts

bear66 Posted on 26/04/2010 16:59
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I'm convinced . . . .

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 16:59
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'Private Sector enterprise needs to be encouraged.'

The private sector are letting down the nation as a whole. They're taking investment overseas and those that can are following it. Despite low labour costs in the north east we still can't pull in work. The dwindling skill base will further diminish the chances of industry developing in the area with the current political scene.


MawTheMerrier Posted on 26/04/2010 17:16
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Rivals is right - cuts are coming whoever wins.

Some pain on the way lads. The country is XXXXXXed! (by Gormless Gordon BTW)

My advice is; if you get a chance of work abroad for a few years - take it!


bear66 Posted on 26/04/2010 17:19
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£100b on Trident, with a large portion going to the US, is a good place to start making cuts

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 17:23
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The country is knackered, we've been heading that way for a long time, none of the current parties have a chance of putting it right.

In the vast majority of caes global capitalism will find the lowest labour costs, least safety requirements and advatangeous tax situation, regardless of borders.

When have the Tories ever stood in the way of what the capitalists wanted to do? This time we have all the McDonalds, Burger Kings and KFC's that soaked up their last disastrous term in office. Not that Labour have made a jot of difference with respect to manufacturing.

bolifer Posted on 26/04/2010 17:23
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Aye,vote for Sir A Bell.[xx(]

MawTheMerrier Posted on 26/04/2010 17:23
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£2,000 Billion on benefits is a better place to start [^]

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 17:40
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£15.2 billion on corparate tax evaision is even better[^]

Billy_Corkhill Posted on 26/04/2010 17:40
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Whether we like it or not capitalism and monetarism is here to stay.

The Tories are the best party to deal with the above.

Labour always f**k up the country and leave the Tories to sort it out.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 17:44
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'The Tories are the best party to deal with the above.'

Which of their policies make you think that things will turn round for the better?



Billy_Corkhill Posted on 26/04/2010 17:55
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Scraping the FSA is a good start based on what happened with the Banks.

myboro Posted on 26/04/2010 18:04
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Scrapping the FSA changes nothing

Its tinkering with how the banks are regulated not introducing any additional regulation.

But give it to the Bank of England and then the banks are effectively regulating themselves

Headline change that does nothing to prevent what happened - typical Dodgy Dave Policy

bear66 Posted on 26/04/2010 18:12
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"£2,000 Billion on benefits is a better place to start"

This is an interesting figure. Basis?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 18:13
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He's done a 'Tory' on the figures [:D]

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 18:14
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"Which of their policies make you think that things will turn round for the better?"

Err stopping them there immigrants from eating the queens swans cos thats what The Sun said, derr.

jam69 Posted on 26/04/2010 18:40
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theres cuts coming no matter what,but when its to give tax breaks to the richest 2% of the poulation then its wrong,
still like the multi miliionaires said we are all in it together

SidSnot Posted on 26/04/2010 19:20
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There is an argument about Public Sector investment crowding out Private Sector investment, but I admit that's pretty academic and there's plenty of capacity available in the North East. However, I do believe that it's the local people that need to sort out the local issues. If you're waiting for the government to fix things or are waiting for even more public sector money to improve things, then I think people are looking in the wrong direction.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 19:23
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'waiting for more public money to sort things out' is all we ever do up here. There is definitely a dependency culture prevelent in the Teesside psyche, one that has been cultivated and nurtured by generations of supporting Labour.
It's too late to change that now, it's ingrained.

BoroPhil Posted on 26/04/2010 19:29
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speckyget is spot on.

it's absolutely irrelevant what % of the local economy is employed in the public sector, if you assume those jobs are necessary (and I accept there is some argument about some jobs), then why does it matter where in the country they are situated?

Cooper671 Posted on 26/04/2010 19:31
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They shifted all the jobs out of london too places like the north east cause its cheaper to employ people here, so theres obviously going to be more people in the public sector in this region, its not rocket science dave!!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 19:32
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'waiting for more public money to sort things out'

So where's the private money?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 19:33
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what jobs did they shift from London to Middlesbrough then?

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 19:33
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Private money is backhanders to obtain the public work.

Cooper671 Posted on 26/04/2010 19:35
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Alot of civil servant jobs were outscourced from london due to cost of the buildings/staff. not just the north east but areas where its cheaper to employ people

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 19:37
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'Alot of civil servant jobs were outscourced from london due to cost of the buildings/staff. not just the north east but areas where its cheaper to employ people'

such as?

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 19:38
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I was thinking that.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 19:38
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The public sector is the only sector to get any criticism as a whole.

Why does the private sector escape this, despite their dreadful record?

Are the owners of the 'means of production' above criticism? They wave the flag, the have the means, how about doing the deed?

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/04/2010 19:39
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Liberata employ staff in the north east and cumbria workin on benefits claims down south

Cooper671 Posted on 26/04/2010 19:41
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HMRC, their contact centre in peterlee, the massive site in longbenton which is the biggest public sector buidling in europe.
DWP in job centre plus.
Admin jobs in for the courts.
Road fuel testers have taken employment on up here at teesport.
Imagine a few more that i dont know off

Cooper671 Posted on 26/04/2010 19:43
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Middlesbrough tax office was in charge of all the london boroughs is another example

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 19:44
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ah, call centres. Now I understand. Thanks for enlightening me.

Cooper671 Posted on 26/04/2010 19:48
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1 call centre at peterlee.
Longbenton has 1000's of people working there, not one working on the phone.
Like i said middlesbrough tax office also dealt with all london tax records, instead of london

BoroPhil Posted on 26/04/2010 19:49
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National Audit Office moved a lot of work to their Newcastle office and shut their Blackpool one.

The DWP offices at Longbenton are huge, that will be responsible for a lot of the public sector work.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 19:50
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But Newcastle ain't Middlesbrough Phil (we all know Labour looks after the Jawdees). Which was my original question.

Cooper671 Posted on 26/04/2010 19:51
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You asked what jobs had been outsourced to the north east not middlesbrough

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 19:51
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Cooper671, you talk about Middlesbrough tax office in the past tense. Why?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 19:53
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actually I asked about Middlesbrough. Look up a few posts.

Cooper671 Posted on 26/04/2010 19:54
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because its not open anymore possibly, the compliance office is, which has the enquiry centre, processing office was moved to stockton

SidSnot Posted on 26/04/2010 19:54
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"The public sector is the only sector to get any criticism as a whole.

Why does the private sector escape this, despite their dreadful record?"

I think "Bankers" might disagree with you. There are many reasons why Private Sector enterprises choose to invest in a region including: cost of doing business, availability of skilled resources, transport infrastructure, historical labour relations, development incentives blah blah.

It's obvious to say so, but the North East is not ticking enough of the right boxes and hasn't done so for a very long time.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 19:57
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so is 'enquiry centre' a euphemism for 'call centre'?

Cooper671 Posted on 26/04/2010 19:58
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No a enquiry centre is where u go in person, the call centre is in peterlee

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 20:00
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I'm confused.
People from London travel to Middlesbrough to inquire in person about their tax affairs, is that right?

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 20:01
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Tax place is on the River now, they do a lot of the North east.

Cooper671 Posted on 26/04/2010 20:02
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No, its for local people to enquire about self assesment, tax credits, child tax credits etc

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 20:05
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So let me get this straight.
Middlesbrough tax office 'used to' to deal with all the tax affairs of people from the London boroughs but now it just deals with personal enquiries from people in the Boro area. And the govt. moved many of the functions M'bro used to perform to Newcastle. Yes?

BarnesBoroFC Posted on 26/04/2010 20:17
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If we agree that a Labour MP would be more inclined to support the public sector over the private sector and a Conservative MP vice-versa.

As a private business owner, where would be more advantageous for you to have a business?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 20:19
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is my summation correct Cooper671?

Billy_Corkhill Posted on 26/04/2010 20:22
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For the last 50 years LABOUR has dominated town, borough, county and regional politics, and for the last 13 years Nationally as well.

The total net end result of Labours almost complete domination of the north east is that this area is now one of the most impoverished and deprived regions in the entire EU.

Labour has utterly and completely failed the people of the north east, ANY other party could not have done as much damage as Labour.

The cuts mentioned by Cameron that have conveniently spun to suit the anti Tory debate are public sector cuts.

The public sector is growing out of control with more and more people employed with little or no improvement in services and an ever increasing burden on the public purse. Public sector jobs need to be cut pure and simple!

Pretty simple economics unless you're a socialist then economics is a foreign word.

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 20:25
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Cameron wont care..nobody does and never will.

Before only Tories stole now they all do.

moxxey Posted on 26/04/2010 20:28
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"‘there are parts of the country, including the North East' where public spending is ‘unsustainable'."

If you think that's a reason why you should vote Labour, then go for it.

Problem how I see things is this:

1) Private sector business lacks in the area, so is artificially propped up by public sector jobs. This means that the government has to pump additional cash just to sustain - that's not sustainable long term.

Things need to change. Private sector work - including Corus etc - needs to be encouraged and backed. Less public sector work.

2) If you think living in Boro etc can't get any better under another government, and you're happy with your situation, then, yeah, carry on voting Labour! Problem is, a lot of people want better, want something to change.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 20:28
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you're right red_shamrock, none of them care. The point is, that if Boro wasn't such a safe Labour seat they might start to, if only out of enlightened self-interest.

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 20:31
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Change into what, an area with a Tory MP to keep the visions of grandeur daft arses happy.


moxxey Posted on 26/04/2010 20:32
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"Cameron wont care..nobody does and never will."

Very self-defeatist and a reason I couldn't run my private sector business up there.

The problem is that it's much easier to "care" about other areas. The North East needs *so* much investment and a shake-up, that the current government doesn't have the dosh.

Do you realise how much the UK is in debt at the moment? :)

BarnesBoroFC Posted on 26/04/2010 20:34
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Might help local small business'...

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 20:35
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I agree whbm ..but after they robbed us and couldnt have cared less...none of them are worth a light.

Itll all end in Civil urest one of these days, none of them can stop the investment leaving the country and cant manage to do anything but put Taxes up and throw people on the dole. No big bucks to be made here.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 20:35
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never mind rational arguments, this is FMTTM. Just keep repeating the Teesside mantra.

ITS ALL THATCHERS FAULT
ITS ALL THATCHERS FAULT
ITS ALL THATCHERS FAULT
ad infinitum.....

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 20:37
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Well I work for myself too but choose to keep my Business here.

E-PRIME Posted on 26/04/2010 20:48
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Whbm. I'm susprised you still show your face on here after the pounding you took not so long ago.

First class Doyle.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 20:50
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pounding! From you!
[cr][cr][cr]

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 20:50
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That sounds like a good chant small d!ck and embarressed.[^]

E-PRIME Posted on 26/04/2010 20:53
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Not exclusively me. Other articulate, well read but modest posters such as speckyge and mickbrown did their bit also.

Bellender.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 20:55
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'bellender' [cr][cr]
just keep digging that hole, boy!

E-PRIME Posted on 26/04/2010 21:02
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What hole?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 21:05
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sharp response there E-PRIME. Cut me to the bone that one did.
You should get yourself a new supplier mate, the current one must be selling you some seriously low-grade shyt.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 26/04/2010 21:05
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Speaking up for the Torys here it's partially the idea of their big society.

Allow the decision making to be made on a local level.
e.g. allow the tax to be more locally levelled here.

It's all about lowering the cost to attract business here.

All Labour has done is made you more dependent on their public sector tit. It's empire building on par what with communist do.

You've seen it yourself, they're playing the card perfectly now, threatening you with the public sector scraps they’ve tossed you.

The Torys may lie about all they've said, no guarantee on that whatsoever but give it a shot. All I can tell you is that the current administration isn’t the answer.
The last 13 years show you that.

E-PRIME Posted on 26/04/2010 21:06
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As far as you are concerned I'm on a freaking mountain top of superior logic and knowledge surveying all of wonderous creation with a keen balance and understanding you could only begin to dream of in 15 lives time. (should reincarnation exist and you flukely go up the ladder rather than down)

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 21:10
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fcuking hell! I thought you were just an illiterate moron. Now I know it's much, much worse.

Get some help mate, before it's too late.

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 21:15
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"The last 13 years show you that."

But the last 13 years, although not perfect, have been better than the previous 18 years, by a long way.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 21:17
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'But the last 13 years, although not perfect, have been better than the previous 18 years, by a long way.'
you have an impressive memory for a 14 year-old!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 21:20
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'If we agree that a Labour MP would be more inclined to support the public sector over the private sector and a Conservative MP vice-versa.

As a private business owner, where would be more advantageous for you to have a business?'

India or China[^]

It depends on the size of your business and the location of your market. An MP anywhere won't be able to help you legally, but a government, through legislation, can.

We're having a global slump at the moment, with the 'boom' ecenomies fairing poorly. In five years time there'll be a lunatic MP shouting about how well they're doing and that the days of bust are over. They'll also be citing Germany and France for not doing as well.

It's happened under a few governments in a row here now.


Tommy_Trinder Posted on 26/04/2010 21:22
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But the last 13 years, although not perfect, have been better than the previous 18 years, by a long way.

Are you XXXXXXing serious?

The country's bankrupt, get real you tool!

jam69 Posted on 26/04/2010 21:23
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funny iam sure WHBM posted on here he was off the board until after the election for making a bit of a fool of himself on quite a few threads,looks like hes back for one last tory push

E-PRIME Posted on 26/04/2010 21:26
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The country is not bankrupt. That is a false statement.

The deficit is due to be back at the so called balanced levels the tories left it at by 2013 and that was from a pro tory propaganda site posted by smogontherhyne.

To be back in good economic shape within 3 - 4 years is astounding given whats just happened in the world and to do that whilst protecting public service spending is nothing short of heroic.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 21:28
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Listen to what E-Prime says Tommy_Trinder.
He's clever you know. (he must be, he told me so).[smi]

jam69 Posted on 26/04/2010 21:29
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can we have the 17% interest rates back too that we had under the tories,that was fun

E-PRIME Posted on 26/04/2010 21:35
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Nice one jam, lets get stuck in!

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 21:40
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can we have dead bodies lying around for weeks waiting to be buried again.
That would be even more fun (if slightly smelly).

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 21:42
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Can we have the unprecedented 3 million plus on the dole again, not once but twice under Tory rule.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 21:45
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and can we also ask the IMF if they could please give us some dosh to save us from joining the likes of Yemen and Burkina Faso once more?

alvesdad Posted on 26/04/2010 21:46
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Well said Speckyget
why do they always blame the public sector when they Tories talk about the North East.
Who pulled the Plug on a ten year deal after making hundreds of millions profit ie Donkuk
Marcacaglia and the rest of the consortium ie
PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.
Putting thousands on the dole and who will pick the tab up in a few years time like Consett and Shildon when Redcar and the Boro
have got very few decent jobs and people will come on here and say fu----g dole wallers. thats the reason not to vote Tory.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 21:48
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so of course, being a safe labour seat and having some of the highest unemployment levels in the country (like all 'safe' labour seats) IS a reason to keep voting for them is it?
Impeccable logic there.

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 21:50
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Oh it gets better. Not only did the Tories put 3 million on the dole, they kept them there for 5 years! Yes from 1981-1986 there was over 3 million on the dole, cheers Maggie ya b!tch.

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 21:51
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Used the borrowed Money to get North Sea Oil, which the Tories inherited, then they used that to shut down Heavy Industries clatter the Unions and pay for the Dole Money. They then sold the utilities off what did they do with that Money again?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 21:52
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MAGGIE, MAGGIE, MAGGIE! OUT! OUT! OUT!
(right decade? or did I miss something?)

alvesdad Posted on 26/04/2010 21:54
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Who said about voting Labour i said that above is why im not voting tory.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 21:57
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well, you sound like a typical chip-on-the-shoulder working class salt-of-the-earth type to me.
Who are you voting for? Some wacky alternative party like the Greens?

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 21:58
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You sound annoyed.

joshie Posted on 26/04/2010 21:58
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Maggie is blamed for destroying many industries in the north east, no real blame is attached to the unions though they were equally or in some cases more culpable, seven men to do one job or we strike etc.

Labour isnt castigated in the same way for the demise of chemical industries during their tenure or more recently Corus, its due to global issues....

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 21:59
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Which industrie did you work in Josh?

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 22:02
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Don't forget that the 1981 recession was manufactured by the goverment! This wasn't a world wide down turn, no this was a direct goverment policy. 3 million on the dole for what? Manufacturing cut by a 3rd (most never to return for what? I'll tell you why because Thatcher had a thing against the Unions, she didn't like them, some sort of personal vendetta, she wanted to detroy their base in the manufacturing industries. You can say what you want about the b!tch but, by god she certainly fecking did that!

3 million on the dole, a 3rd of our manufacturing industries gone for ever, lives torn to pieces and for what? Because some crazy evil b!tch had a personal vendetta against the unions.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 22:04
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Joshie, the country owned those industries when Mrs.T did what she thought best for the nation to do.

Brown had no say whatsoever in what happened at Corus. It was run by an Indian Company because it was privatised. Where is it now? Didn't the workers do well out of privatisation?

alvesdad Posted on 26/04/2010 22:08
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Joshie
its got fu-- all to do with world markets
Its about greedy companys who made millions
out of Corus then reneged on deals they signed and a resession brought on by greedy bankers who had to be bailed out of by public money.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 22:09
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In 1981 the unions needed to be destroyed. They were running the country, not the government. Christ's sake, are you really holding up the likes of Scargill and Derek Robinson as some kind of working-class-heroes?

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 22:11
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Media Hype.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 26/04/2010 22:13
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Media hype.

That's right, shoot the messenger.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 26/04/2010 22:14
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That model was on its last legs by the 80's, and would have ended no matter who won the 1979 election.

We weren't bailed out by the IMF for no reason, the money had RAN out.

Can I just point out that Corus left to reap the benefits this Govt helped put in place.

It's this Govt who backs the IPCC (Global warming organisation), of which the head chairman had been on the payroll of Corus through a subsiduary.

Bad legislation chased Corus away that this Government embraces.

southgates_elbow Posted on 26/04/2010 22:29
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'Private Sector enterprise needs to be encouraged.'

"The private sector are letting down the nation as a whole. They're taking investment overseas and those that can are following it. Despite low labour costs in the north east we still can't pull in work. The dwindling skill base will further diminish the chances of industry developing in the area with the current political scene."

Whoar Corcaigh the Clown talking about "leaving" he left alright to his Texas Tax Bolthole big flooking hypocrite!

Talks about higher taxes for everyone else but himself just like all the champagne socialists on here!! [:o)][:o)][:o)]

Your opinions lack any credibility till you pay the Tax Clownio! No representation until Taxation!


Full of XXXXXX he is!

The only thing letting down the North East is the people with their monumental left wing inferiority complex living on state handouts and jobs from their chums the Labour Party!

What was the song? "We on Teesside" add the lines have no shame and no pride!

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 22:32
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"In 1981 the unions needed to be destroyed."

No they didn't. They needed their power curtailed but they didn't need destroying.

The steps the Cons took to reduce inflation were far too draconium. The slow down of the econmy was way too fast (these things are now generally accepted by ecnomists). Members of Thatchers cabinet have since admitted she had a vendetta against the unions, a personal vendetta thats left a scare on this country that will probably never heal.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 22:39
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'That model was on its last legs by the 80's'

The new model's flourishing, isn't it. No unions to blame this time.


rivals_oldschool Posted on 26/04/2010 22:41
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Your right, no unions, just a Labour govt.

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 22:46
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So was the 80's our Tory utopia then? Is that as good as it gets?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 22:46
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So it's the Labour Gov't running the struggling private industries now is it?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 26/04/2010 22:50
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No but it manages the environment they have to operate in.




Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 22:51
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The global economy?

Think again.

southgates_elbow Posted on 26/04/2010 22:53
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The Clowns trying to blame the private sector now eh? nothing to do with the monumental spending of the LABOUR government eh?

What a first class muppet!![:o)][:o)]

Anyhow, what happened to the clowns "social conscience" when he did one for the mighty American $ but of course he doesnt pay UK tax does he? no no no!

Full of the brown stuff clown [:o)][:o)]

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 22:54
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Makes me laugh when people tell us that 'Labour capitalist policies have failed but, don't worry theres another party even more capitalist you can vote for' Gee thanks, out the frying pan into the big fcuk off inferno!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 22:54
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[:D]

Good evening.

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 22:58
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[:D]

rivals_oldschool Posted on 26/04/2010 23:00
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P*ss off to the fragments of the Soviet Union then and live the dream.

Or go that bit further and Communist China, no?

OK, how about South America, they have a few bouts of Socilaism left.

There is plenty of choice about. Go on, pack your sh*t.

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 23:02
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[cr][cr].


Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 23:03
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Who mentioned socialism?

Some chomping on here tonight isn't there?

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 23:03
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Hey its my Country as well.[:D]

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 23:05
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[:D]


Link: Working class Toryboy

rivals_oldschool Posted on 26/04/2010 23:07
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and mine [:D].

Just reminding you that Utopia is only a flight away. [^]


Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 23:09
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I'm in your Utopia at the moment [:D]

Get yourselves over here.

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 23:09
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Yes Its good to leave sometimes[:D]

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 23:09
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"P*ss off to the fragments of the Soviet Union then and live the dream.

Or go that bit further and Communist China, no?

OK, how about South America, they have a few bouts of Socilaism left.

There is plenty of choice about. Go on, pack your sh*t."

[:D][:D][:D]

Whats the point, the ISSGB (Independent Socialist States of Great Britain) is just round the corner. Get these Tory cnuts in, let the unrest simmer for a few years then bam! Red Revolution!

rivals_oldschool Posted on 26/04/2010 23:10
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Is that the best you've got. [V]

red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 23:12
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Its a Republic we need OO7.

SidSnot Posted on 26/04/2010 23:12
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The deficit is due to be back at the so called balanced levels the tories left it at by 2013 and that was from a pro tory propaganda site posted by smogontherhyne.

To be back in good economic shape within 3 - 4 years is astounding given whats just happened in the world and to do that whilst protecting public service spending is nothing short of heroic.

And if you believe that, then you will believe anything.... [:P]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/04/2010 23:16
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'from a pro tory propaganda site'

Is that 'Tory' tory or 'Labour' tory?

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 23:17
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Oh it'll be a republic. The 1st thing i'll do (did i mention i'll be the Troskyite leader[:D]) is chop the fcuking queens head off. Annus horribilis, ahe ain't seen nothing yet[:O]

Maybe the name needs a little tweaking[8)]

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 23:20
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Socialist Republic of Great Britain?


red_shamrock Posted on 26/04/2010 23:20
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I would imagine all the Tories will head for Thailand to see out their days..a Tory Paradise.

TheBoy007 Posted on 26/04/2010 23:20
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"I would imagine all the Tories will head for Thailand to see out their days..a Tory Paradise."

[:D]

E-PRIME Posted on 27/04/2010 00:09
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Sid, it was from a pro tory propaganda site called debtbombshell.com or something.

They had a graph showing the defecit over the last couple of decades which conveniently stopped in 2013 just as the deficit were about to hit the same level as when the tories lost power in 97.

I managed to use a bit of ill conceived pro tory scare mongering propaganda to show that (if they were to be believed) they were actually (albeit accidentally) saying the deficit would be back on track by 2013. As we still have a labour government the projection must have been based on current data and policies which therefore labour have to take the credit for.

SidSnot Posted on 27/04/2010 03:16
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I don't care if it was from Nostradamus himself, it's absolute fairy tale stuff.

This is the biggest deficit faced since the second world war and a significant part of it is structural not cyclical. Every party is praying that the Private Sector, that much maligned bunch of capitalists on here, will grow sufficiently to reduce the deficit to manageable levels without too much pain inflicted on the Public Sector. The government currently spends about 50% of GDP and our deficit is about 13% of GDP. That means the Government is spending over 25% more than it receives. It's like someone earning 20k a year who spends 25k. Is the answer to spend less - no, the answer is to spend a bit more and hope some quick payrises take the salary up a fair chunk. It's the economics of the mad house, but none of the parties really want to face up to telling the public the truth.

E-PRIME Posted on 27/04/2010 08:13
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Sid- a better analogy would be knowing that your maximum salary was 25k but you only get that if your company is running at maximum capacity. You currently get 20k so borrow the extra 5k to spend on marketing to ensure your product had demand and training to ensure there a skilled people for the jobs when they become available.

That's a better way of ensuring you get your 25k than being frugal and hoping by chance that demand for your product surges and that skilled staff will magically be available to cope with the demand should it arise.

I like analogies.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 27/04/2010 08:22
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"Can we have the unprecedented 3 million plus on the dole again, not once but twice under Tory rule. "

You do realise that the current figure is 5 million don`t you? 2.5 million on unemployment benefit, and 2.5 million on the sick with hard to cure ailments (eg "stress")


Get_your_rat_out Posted on 27/04/2010 08:24
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Bloody hell, 140 posts and this is only my second one on it [:D]

E-PRIME Posted on 27/04/2010 08:39
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Bernie- well done. You've managed to explain to yourself in your own post why the figure isn't 5mil

mattrich Posted on 27/04/2010 10:09
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140 plus posts and no solution, shows how hard goverment is.

SidSnot Posted on 27/04/2010 17:45
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Sid- a better analogy would be knowing that your maximum salary was 25k but you only get that if your company is running at maximum capacity. You currently get 20k so borrow the extra 5k to spend on marketing to ensure your product had demand and training to ensure there a skilled people for the jobs when they become available.

That's a better way of ensuring you get your 25k than being frugal and hoping by chance that demand for your product surges and that skilled staff will magically be available to cope with the demand should it arise.

I like analogies.


E-Prime - that's what people were peddling in the dot com boom.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 27/04/2010 17:48
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'"Can we have the unprecedented 3 million plus on the dole again, not once but twice under Tory rule. "

You do realise that the current figure is 5 million don`t you? 2.5 million on unemployment benefit, and 2.5 million on the sick with hard to cure ailments (eg "stress") '

And don't forget all those millions at Uni doing media studies and the like to earn a useless degree and keep them off the dole queue.