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Anonymous-Hero Posted on 28/03/2010 20:46
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Would you consider them a racist ? Or is it more on the reason why they are voting for them to be classed as a racist ?

SplendidStuff Posted on 28/03/2010 20:56
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They can do what they please, obviously they need all the help in life then can get so i hope the BNP can provide it for them.

Space_Face Posted on 28/03/2010 20:58
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Racist, ignorant or plain thick. Maybe all 3.

gerry_mander Posted on 28/03/2010 20:59
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i would consider them to be uneducated fools, and as such they really should be up there with felons of the convicted criminal kind and the insane in mental hospitals.

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 28/03/2010 21:00
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I think we may all be suprised at how many "Protest" votes they pick up from the major parties.

could_it_be Posted on 28/03/2010 21:01
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political parties - they're all as bad as each other it's just the bnp is overt about it's unpleasantries

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 21:03
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Why else would someone vote BNP[?]

If you want to make a protest vote, there are plenty of other candidates for whom you could vote without giving support to racists

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 28/03/2010 21:06
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Yeah but it wouldn't have as much effect in making people sit up and think "What the ****!"

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 21:09
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I don't think any protest vote ever does that. it might make the individual voter feel better but that's it.

Besides, the looney party exists soley for the purpose of the protest vote!

Muttley Posted on 28/03/2010 21:10
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I'm not sure, is voting for a political party with a well known racist agenda something that a non-racist would contemplate?

Just be honest and admit you are racist and stop pretend you're protesting about something. You don't like foreigners and you're scared of poofs. (or possibly vice versa). You want the trains to run on time. Think you'd look good in a black uniform or a white robe, and that Aryan supremacy is a fact... COME ON DOWN.

Normanby-Loyal Posted on 28/03/2010 21:12
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As some have said I guess some people may vote for the BNP out of protest and frustration, but there will also be some who vote for them because they believe in their values, which is more worrying.

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 28/03/2010 21:14
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Talking to me Muttley ? [:O]

Im not voting for them, protest or not

borobadge Posted on 28/03/2010 21:19
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the majority of people (and they dont get that many votes) who vote for the Brand New Panties aint racists, theyre just XXXXXXhed off working class and carrot crunching rural folk who have had enough of the 2 main parties, (you cant count the liberals, because thay are just too busy counting lamposts and broken pavements and trying to be liberal).......

new labour only have themselves to blame.

but honestly its not the answer, facism and hatred never is....the far-right/facist vote wont last or stand up, no matter how they present it and you will 'change' nothing, it'll be more of the same there-after.

the only 'democracy' is in the house of parliament...because if voting changed anything, they wouldnt let us do it.........

degsyspesh Posted on 28/03/2010 21:30
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Surely you would only vote for them if you were racist, otherwise you'd just vote UKIP if that was your thing?

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 28/03/2010 21:32
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Disagree, a vote for the BNP would have far more impact on the political scene.

Wilf Posted on 28/03/2010 21:32
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I've suggested this before in another thread; rather than make some pointless gesture like voting for a bunch of loonies why not join the party you're disillusioned with and help to change it.
Stuart Bell, for example, who most people - even those in his own party - think is a waste of space is kept in power by about twenty-five people who re-select him automatically each time there's an election.
It's too late to do anything before the up-coming election but, in the long-term, this is the democratic way forward.

degsyspesh Posted on 28/03/2010 21:37
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Manny - what do you mean by "impact"?

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 28/03/2010 21:39
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I mean it would make the 3 major parties sit up and think ****! we really must be bad.

MADMICK Posted on 28/03/2010 21:40
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Perhaps some of the BNP voters have had enough of this lawless countryand will have read thier party policies?
Anyone find anything wrong with these?

- Free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket which is stopping them from doing their jobs properly;

- End the liberal fixation with the “rights” of criminals and replace it with concern for the rights of victims – and the right of innocent people not to become victims;

- Re-introduce corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals;

- Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence).

At the same time, the BNP recognises that decades of social welfare dependence – encouraged by disastrous Labour and Tory policies – which is the primary cause of social delinquency, must be brought to an end.

Social reform is therefore also required. Workfare, not welfare, except to the neediest, should be the norm. Only in this way can the cycle of social deprivation, which is the primary cause of indigenous criminality, be broken.

To this end, the BNP will introduce a system of workfare for those in unemployment benefit for more than six months with compulsory work and training in return for decent payment.

The socialist building block housing concrete monstrosities which blight our urban areas and which are the breeding ground for delinquency and crime will be torn down and replaced with decent housing which encourages the stable family unit.

Non-indigenous crime – rapidly becoming a serious problem, as the knife and gun crime epidemic spreading throughout our major cities – will be dealt with in terms of BNP immigration and identity policy.

Overcrowding in prisons will be solved by the deportation of the tens of thousands of foreign criminals to serve their sentences abroad in their home countries. This act alone will free up to 70 percent of jail space in many prisons.

The BNP will also:

- Make prisons more austere and make criminals serve their full sentences. Offenders will be made to understand that they are being punished and not rewarded with a state-subsidised holiday for their crimes;

- Use electronically tagged “chain gangs” to provide labour for projects such as coastal defences;

- Introduce automatic prison sentences for all repeat offenders;

- Put police back on the streets and remove their current political correctness shackles;

- Allow victims of crime full freedom to defend themselves and their property;

- Make joint custody of children the norm in divorce cases;

- Grant anonymity to those accused of crimes until they are convicted;

- Make police concentrate on real criminals and serve the public, not the government’s political aspirations.

degsyspesh Posted on 28/03/2010 21:44
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can't argue with most of that Mick - but then it's the other stuff that isn't on that list where the problem starts.

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 28/03/2010 21:45
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Any parties manifesto is a tool to get them voted in....what happens after is another thing.

subbuteo_171 Posted on 28/03/2010 21:50
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There is os much wrong with MADMICK's post I don't know where to start.

Suffice to say it sounds like the comments page of the Star when a Polish worker is accused of nicking a toffee apple.

MADMICK Posted on 28/03/2010 21:52
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degsyspesh, thats just it, a lot of people on this mesage board blurt out racist to anyone that dares mention the BNP yet they never take the time to look at thier policies.
No can say they find all the polices of any party perfect but i wish people would stop blurting out insults withut actually reading up on the party.
Yes, they were extreme in the immigration policies which they have now softened thier views on, even allowing forgiegn people to join the party, but some people cant accept they have started to change thier views.

Personally, i would like a stop to all immergration into this country (escept those in desperate need of help) untill the population is lowered, the way i see it at the moment, is, most of the problems caused in this country today are down to over population. That doesnt make me a racist, just a realist.

MADMICK Posted on 28/03/2010 21:57
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subbuteo_171
Try from the begining, or is your comment another throw away remark like people on here calling people racists? debate is good[^]
I for one am sick to death of the way our criminal system is run, far to much in favour of the criminal, and ive always said id like to see petty criminals go around cleaning walls of graffitti etc..its about time criminals were made to pay for crimes and not rewarded.

borobadge Posted on 28/03/2010 22:04
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i can see why your called MADMICK.....[:D]

Wilf Posted on 28/03/2010 22:31
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Madmick. You forgot the String up XXXXXXs line.

Muttley Posted on 28/03/2010 22:38
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Mick, if you think that the published bullet points represent the true intentions of the BNP you are beyond "mad" you are no better than the members. In fact possibly you are worse.

It is Nick Griffin's state intention to deceive the British public about the true policies of the BNP. Don't believe me? Check out the words of the man himself when he spoke on a public platform in the USA alongside KKK former leader David Duke.

This is a man who would deny the holocaust (but apparently he's not allowed to on TV). He's a racist and a white supremacist and if you think that by avowing the legitimacy of the "policies" of the BNP you are in some way paving the way for a better Britain you are dumber than a door post.


Link: Watch and learn

CiscoKid Posted on 28/03/2010 22:40
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" id like to see petty criminals go around cleaning walls of graffitti etc "

Now there's a radical idea! If only someone had thought of it before. We would have to have a name for it....community sentence would be a good name.

Oh hang on it already exists....silly me.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 28/03/2010 23:10
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Labour's inept leadership has pushed the stupid towards BNP.

petedreadnought Posted on 28/03/2010 23:19
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Is MADMICK a BNP supporter?

SNOWBANDIT Posted on 28/03/2010 23:23
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..."... intention to deceive the British public about the true policies"

Isn't that the same for all of them?

They love us all fighting like rats in a sack:
rich V poor , unions V business, left V right,old V young.

They laff their nuts off at us - FACT

MADMICK Posted on 28/03/2010 23:39
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Once again, no one wants to comment on the BNP parties policies ive listed, policies which i happen to agree with (please God, forgive me for i have sinned![:D])
Why are people so blinkered on here?..Griffin has appoligiesed for what he said about the Holocaust and as admitted he was wrong for saying..get over it everyone makes mistakes, even the millions of Muslims who also deny it ever happened.

The way people on here try to stop anyone having an opinion which isnt the same as thier own is as bad if not worse than how they try to portay the BNP..ONLY THOSE PEOPLE ARE HYPOCRITES FOR DOING IN THE NAME OF FREE SPEECH[V]

Dibzzz Posted on 28/03/2010 23:40
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How can the BNP be racist now they have black members?

I probably would vote BNP, now they welcome ethnic minorities as members and voters, but I hate Nick Griffin, he's a tw@t.

UKIP this time round for me, I can't stand the other 3 on offer.

Bunch of cnuts.


HolgateCorner Posted on 28/03/2010 23:42
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whatever their underlying racist motives and policies might say, the fact is that much of what the BNP say publically is agreed with by a large number of hard working law abiding citizens.

They also raise issues which the major parties will not raise for fear of upsetting the ethnic vote in the marginal constituencies.

The levels of immigration, foreign workers, the prison system, speaking our native language in schools, withdrawal from the EU, looking after British workers and British industry are all matters which the vast majority of people either agree with or have a leaning towards.

People will vote for them not because they want an underlyingly racist party in power but as a protest vote against the main parties who pussy foot around some of the issues which really need to be sorted out to protect the rights, jobs and culture of the average working class person within the indigenous population.

petedreadnought Posted on 28/03/2010 23:42
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MADMICK, you seem really desperate to defend and big-up the BNP and Griffin.

Also, who is stopping another from having an opinion?

[sad]

Only_Me Posted on 28/03/2010 23:43
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So far, there aren't any B.N.P. candidates listed for any of the local seats ( 2 x M'bro, Redcar, Stockton S + Stockton N. ) so at the mo, this debate is purely academic.
It could be, that they will be added later but you'd think the B.N.P. would have listed all it's candidates at the same time. Same goes for UKIP really. (Both parties have candidates listed for other areas already.)
What is apparent, for a lot of seats, where only the main 3 parties are listed so far, is the tremendous opportunity for a really good Indy to step up to the plate and carpe diem.
I am disappointed that the Jury Team has very few candidate applications, this time round. I expect that having to pay for their own deposit, has put off quite a few Indy's, that might otherwise have stood as a candidate for them.
That is where 'YouFundMe' could have stepped in to help the 'little man' but it will only fundraise for candidates already belonging to a registered party. ( though not the B.N.P. ) Yet surely those candidates already joined to a party will be being funded by their own party?
I know there is one tory running against Ed Balls that has a 'YouFundMe' account and as much as I'd like to see the back of Balls, surely the tories should be paying for the privilege of providing his Portillo moment?


Without going into the whole immigration thing here, what I would say, is that the likes of Tata ( Where have I heard that name before??? ) should not be allowed to bring in it's own low paid workforces from India and they most certainly should not have the power to buy themselves special treatment, a la the lobbying of ministers as reported on Dispatches last week.

( The bit that wasn't shown, was Margaret Moran admitting that she had had, immigration laws changed to suit Tata. )
If it were up to me, I'd ban Tata from having any further business in this country, to be honest, as non of their dealings seem to be above board.


MADMICK Posted on 28/03/2010 23:49
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Kevin, watch this..is this how politics are to be run in this country these days?, with rentamob students offered free drinks in the students bar for turning up and been hypocrites?

Try speaking out of your @rsehole next time, you might not talk as much sh1t[:o)]


Link: Freedom of speech....Hypocrites

MADMICK Posted on 28/03/2010 23:52
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"How can the BNP be racist now they have black members?"

Dibzzz..your not allowed to mention things like that in front of all the Hypocrites[;)]..it'll sink in one with them one day[^][:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 28/03/2010 23:59
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Why are you getting upset and abusive, MADMICK? Don't you like that people frown upon the BNP?

You want to discuss the BNP, but avoid answering any questions about them directed at you.

You want to discuss the BNP's policies, but you only want to discuss the one's you've listed, which are mainly crime & punishment orientated, knowing fine well they appeal to the disillusioned on here. You purposefully and conveniently avoid listing their more controversial and frankly, outrageous polices because that's not the debate about the BNP you want discussing on here, probably because your stumped when trying to defend them.

You're really not doing any favours in gathering support for this party.

Try harder.

[^]

Also, that video is pathetic. Not just the pillocks who think attacking someone is a good idea, but the fact that you're blatantly using it as tool to try and gather sympathy for Nick Griffin.

Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 00:02
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Nick Griffin actually spoke about where he stands on the holocaust in an interview with Ian Dale in last week's Total Politics magazine.

It's an interesting read regardless of where you stand politically.


Link: Nick Griffin interview

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 00:08
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Nick Griffin actually spoke about where he stands on the holocaust in an interview with Ian Dale in last week's Total Politics magazine.

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It's interesting, that like when he was quizzed on Question Time, Griffin hides behind the "I'm not permitted to discuss this" response when asked about whether he believes 6 million people were killed in the Holocaust.

Speaks volumes about that he actually thinks.

Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 00:10
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Well if you read that interview, Ian Dale actually coaxes it out of him.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 00:15
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Well, Bukowski I did read it and the fact remains he still uses that type of response, which so happens, is incorrect.

Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 00:22
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I'm not going to start sticking up for Nick Griffin ffs but he does eventually discuss it. Read the full thing.

MADMICK Posted on 29/03/2010 00:29
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Kevin..list which policies they have that i havent listed that you'd like to talk about...not the policies of you and the other hypocrites on heres policies, but actual BNP policies.

If you read what i said in my first post...

"Perhaps some of the BNP voters have had enough of this lawless countryand will have read thier party policies?
Anyone find anything wrong with these?"

I was specifically refering to this lawless country (something about living in it makes you notice these things kevin)and the BNPs policies on fighting all forms of crime.

so come on, give me a list of "BNP" policies that you'd like to take issue up with me.

"Also, that video is pathetic. Not just the pillocks who think attacking someone is a good idea, but the fact that you're blatantly using it as tool to try and gather sympathy for Nick Griffin."

No i wasnt, i was trying to show people what a bunch of Hypocrites they are.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 00:33
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Yes Bukowski, I've read it. How many more times do I need to tell you this?

Does he, or does he not try to hide behind the "I can't discus it" response though, as he did on Question Time when asked about the Holocaust?

It's there in print, so it's not like you can deny it.

Also, I found his comments on the repatriation of immigrants and their descendants hilarious! Shows what a complete out-of-touch, clueless moron this man is.

Posted on 29/03/2010 00:39
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MADMICK, you seem a very angry and easily annoyed individual, why is this?

You also seem to think my name is Kevin. Pete will do, or Peter. It's not that difficult for you to remember this, surely.

Firstly, you could start by answering my question that I previously asked, which you avoided.

Secondly, could you explain this: "not the policies of you and the other hypocrites on heres policies, but actual BNP policies."?

It makes no sense.

Finally, I think it was clear you were using the video to gather sympathy for Griffin as it really has no place in the context of the debate.

Poor show.

Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 00:43
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Seeing as you obviously only read snippets, I'll post it here:


"When did you stop denying the Holocaust? -

I've never actually denied the Holocaust. I've said some terribly rude things about it and the way it's exploited.



You said: "It's well known that chimneys from the buildings at Auschwitz are fake." -

Ah, but I also said in the piece that huge numbers of Jews were persecuted or murdered by the Nazis and their allies just because they were Jewish in one of the great crimes of the twentieth century. To deny the Holocaust is presumably to say that no one was killed, that the camps didn't exist. Obviously that would be nonsense.



Do you believe six million Jews were killed? -

That's the same old problem. I genuinely cannot discuss it with you because European law forbids it.



That's XXXXXX. -

It's not XXXXXX. European law....



What you're saying then is you don't believe six million were killed. -

There are defence lawyers in Germany in prison now because they've explained in court what their client said.



It's a simple enough question. You either believe that six million Jews died in the Holocaust or you don't. -

The Holocaust happened.



But you're not willing to say that six million Jews died? -

Precisely six million?



Around six million - that's the accepted number by historians. -

I don't think that there should be any restrictions on historical inquiry. Nor should it be an offence to be wrong. But since it is an offence to be wrong - it's an offence to discuss what I used to believe or even the extent to which I've changed my mind - and I have done. I really can't talk about it.



You can talk about it to the extent that you can say whether or not you believe that around six million Jews died. -

I can't tell you because it's - look, I'm not going to be interrupted and left with something that I've said that I wasn't...



This won't be edited. -

I suppose I can tell you that the reasons for my doubts were, specifically with the six million figure. The problem was the way it was used as a moral club to prevent any sensible debate about immigration. That's the issue. It's nothing to do with anti-semitism or anything. And there's been people, including Jews and former concentration camp inmates, who've said that aspects of this history have been exaggerated and so on. So that's the base line. When I was at school, the figure of six million was made up of four million murdered at Auschwitz and two million murdered elsewhere. That's six million.



Well, that's not true. -

That was the fact as presented to people in the 1970s. Then it emerged that the authorities of Auschwitz downgraded the scale of the murders there from four million to a still shattering and appalling 1.1 million. So you're 2.9 million short.



There were lots of other death camps, not just Auschwitz. -

No, the figure of six million came from the idea that in all the other death camps and elsewhere, two million died and in Auschwitz there were four million gassed and cremated - that's where the figure was made up from. Take the noughts off. If you have six and take away 2.9, do you still have six?

No one would say where they came from. All they would do is persecute anyone who said six, take away 2.9, does not equal six. They were put in prison, beaten, had their houses firebombed, driven from their jobs. That greatly offended me and made me take up the issue of their behalf. But what I will say now is I believe that the evidence that came from British intelligence of German operations behind the lines on the Eastern front makes it quite possible to believe that a million people were shot to death on anti-partisan warfare, mainly as hostages and that the Germans, naturally enough, didn't pick white Russian or Belarussian peasants, who were quite often on their side. They picked the local Jewish community because most of the partisans were Jewish, which again you can't really be surprised about, as it's one of these cycles of horror. So therefore, you are no longer missing the 2.9. You are missing nearly two million. That's all. It would be interesting to be told where they come from. But because the powersthat- be are so convinced that it's true and have passed laws to say that it's true, and because it is irrelevant and because it's deliberately misunderstood, anyone who questions this is held up as anti-semitic. Whereas, it's nothing to do with antisemitism at all. It's about the rights of free speech, or the right of the states and powerful vested interest groups, to prevent free speech. That's what it's actually about. But because everyone's misunderstood or it leads one to jail, I have no doubt whatsoever that the others, the missing ones, must have been there so clearly the six million figure is correct."

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 00:48
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Evidently, you've ignored me making it clear to you that I've read the interview, Bukowski. maybe English isn't your fist language, or maybe it is and you're deliberately being obtuse.

You also seem to be struggling to understand my comments, so point out what you're having difficulty with and I'll try to explain it to you.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 00:51
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Actually, I'm off to bed so I'll respond tomorrow.

Night.

Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 00:58
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There's no need to be obnoxious and confrontational. I'm not taking Nick Griffin's side, I'm simply saying how I see it.

You replied as if Nick Griffin had simply replied with "I can't comment".

That's not true.

Ian Dale eventually coaxed out a proper reply from him. More than any other journalist has done previously. The interview was actually a good piece of journalism. It was impartial.

carlton_banker Posted on 29/03/2010 01:44
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I normally voted for Ashok Kumar but since his untimely death im looking for a new candidate, anyone know what the BNP's manifesto may involve? [smi]

Muttley Posted on 29/03/2010 08:06
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Griffin is using an accepted technique for denying the holocaust. The argument goes something like this, six million Jews were killed by the Nazis, four million at Auschwitz-Berkenau there was even a plaque there to show this figure. Historians now agree that "only" about 1.1 million Jews were killed at Auschwitz. SO, there can't have been six million killed as no-one has refined the total. Therefore if something as simple as this is wrong... nod... wink...

The idea is to seed doubt into the minds of the gullible, it's a well documented strategy.

Trouble is, it's XXXXXX. There have been subsequent historical examinations of the numbers and the numbers work out at between 5.5 and 6 million. So it simply sits with the techniques he discussed in that film I linked to, it's an attempt to deceive by using expressions that seem reasonable, but it remains a lie, a lie intended to entrap the gullible.

King_Ricard Posted on 29/03/2010 09:12
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Its already been stated that its the policies that werent listed that are the ones to be concerned about. The BNP may have a few policies that attract people, but there core ideology and motives are of real concern.

Plus, look at some of the utter fools who will be standing for the BNP anywhere they have been elected they have failed to deliver anything and are generaly voted out at the first opportunity.

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Regarding policy, have a read of the following policies from an un-named party (not the BNP) and see how you feel on them.

- All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

- We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

- We believe the State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centres, by stoping child labour, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory sport in schools, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

who could argue with those points, its whats not listed that you would disagree with.

beattsmjk Posted on 29/03/2010 09:54
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Its typical of this country. If you stray from the main three political parties then you are deemed, mental, clueless or racist.

The BNP are flawed in many ways, but at least have the B0ll0x to stand up and state that they will fight for the type of things that the average working man has been demanding for so long, and for this reason I will consider voting for them.

The problem with labour is that they offer nothing to the vast majority of the working public, choosing to shun them in preference of illegal immigrants, benefit scroungers and ethnic minorities, and then to top it off, force us to believe we are being racist if we contest these views. I think the Conservatives won't be much different.

I dont want to vote for BNP personally but I firmly believe that UKIP have been put in place to deflect votes from the BNP and thus prevent them from getting too popular. I wish there was a better choice but I dont think there is.

In essence then I would rather vote for a 'supposedly racist' party that offers me, 'the working man' a chance, than be pushed to one side by one of the big parties, but thats just me, we vote purely for ourselves afer all.

And dont get me started on this climate change load of crap!

onion_budgie Posted on 29/03/2010 10:11
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[state that they will fight for the type of things that the average working man has been demanding for so long, and for this reason I will consider voting for them]

I didn't realise the 'average working man' wanted all blacks and Asians deported.

King_Ricard Posted on 29/03/2010 10:44
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This wouldnt even be an issue if it werent for the current economic climate.

The BNP are only gaining popularity as they are blaming someone for the current state of affairs. They offer nothing to correct it just a figure of hate. Just as facist/right wing parties always do, the Torys demonised single parent families in the 80s, the Nazis demonised Jews, the BNP are now targeting imigration and Islam.

If there is no one to blame their politics are shown up for what they are racist, discriminatory and utter tripe.

Hercules Posted on 29/03/2010 10:51
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I haven't read the BNP manifesto but if the points MADMICK posted are the policies which are supposed to attract the moderate, non-racist's I don't think I need to read the hardcore stuff.

I don't agree with any of the following:

- End the liberal fixation with the “rights” of criminals

- Re-introduce corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals;

- Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence).

Non-indigenous crime – rapidly becoming a serious problem, as the knife and gun crime epidemic spreading throughout our major cities – will be dealt with in terms of BNP immigration and identity policy. (I assume that would mean deporting any black/asian Brit who commits a knife/gun crime).

Overcrowding in prisons will be solved by the deportation of the tens of thousands of foreign criminals to serve their sentences abroad in their home countries. This act alone will free up to 70 percent of jail space in many prisons. (How would you force their 'home' countries to imprison them, and to the same principles that our justice system is based on?. Also, the figure of 70% is misleading.)

- Use electronically tagged “chain gangs” to provide labour for projects such as coastal defences; (What do we need 'coastal defences' for?)

- Introduce automatic prison sentences for all repeat offenders;

- Allow victims of crime full freedom to defend themselves and their property; (I'm against this if it means you can shoot anybody who steps on your property or steals your garden gnomes)

beattsmjk Posted on 29/03/2010 10:55
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Onion budgie,

'I didn't realise the 'average working man' wanted all blacks and Asians deported'

I think you'd be surprised at the answer to this, however that is not the point I was raising. I was merely referring to a cap on immigration, a stronger benefit on people who abuse the benefits system and a fairer deal for the working man.

I have no desire for anyone to be deported but our country is vastly overpopulated.FACT!

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 10:57
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beattsmjk, what is the "fairer deal for the working man" that the BNP offer?

King_Ricard Posted on 29/03/2010 11:03
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is imigration actually a problem? Have you seen how hard it is to get into this country illegally?

Ecconomic Migration is something totally different, this only happens when there is work that the 'native' population either cant do or wont do. The large waves of migration have happened at boom times when jobs that are vital to the countries operation had to be filled by someone.

Im sure no one objects to lads from the boro going and working in Holland,Germany etc I myself spent sometime working out in Holland so it would be immesnsly hipocritical of me to deny other people the right to do this.

It is the politics of fear and hate that attract people to parties like the BNP. Fear that somehow your way of life will be threatened by Poles or Romanians coming to this country to earn a living.

Hate directed at largely innocent groups of people wether ecconomic or ethnic and blaming them for being the cause of societies ills.


beattsmjk Posted on 29/03/2010 11:06
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British jobs for British workers for a start. Did you know that the three main parties have been receiving donations for allowing cheaper foreign IT workers in to the country to replace British workers.

see link below

Also we are being fleeced on fuel tax, lack of investment in the roads, rip off speed cameras and outdated speed limits.

Improved pension deals for our ageing population.

No more defence cuts which put the boys in Afghanastan at risk.

Like the other parties, I have no idea how they expect to achieve these goals but at least they are making an effort.

The problem with the BNP is that they are now severly typecast and as such will never win favour with a majority of the public. However to deem them fascist and link them to the Nazi party is a tad far fetched and exactly what the government WANTS you to think.




Link: Dodgy government globalisation policies.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 11:11
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Like the other parties, I have no idea how they expect to achieve these goals but at least they are making an effort.

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Says it all really, doesn't it?

King_Ricard Posted on 29/03/2010 11:13
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Daily mail link eh?

The BNP are a facist party look at their politics there origins etc, the National Socialist German Workers Party were not facists per say they were based on an ideology which evolved from Facisim.

On a purely theoretical level your right to compare the two is fundamentally wrong. However both view racial ethnicity as a primary identifying marker over social class, gender or anything else.

Manfriday Posted on 29/03/2010 11:31
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Hercules, you do realise 'coastal defences' are the measures put in place to prevent coastal erosion. I dont think they mean AA batteries and mounted cannons

King_Ricard Posted on 29/03/2010 11:33
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surely those who deny climate changes dont believe in coastal erosion?

Madness.

Manfriday Posted on 29/03/2010 11:37
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What has climate change got to do with coastal erosion? Waves will always erode soft coasts no matter how warm or cold it is :)

King_Ricard Posted on 29/03/2010 11:49
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your wrong, its illegal imigrants who cause coastal errosion and spread lies about psudo climate change.

Sharia Law, English way of life, burkas, war in iraq, war in afgahnistan, terrorism, al-queda, etc etc etc

Hercules Posted on 29/03/2010 11:58
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I didn't realise that tbh. As soon as I heard 'coastal defences' I thought of machine gun turrets to keep out illegal immigrants sailing over in rubber dinghies.

So I do, in fact, agree with that particular policy.

Manfriday Posted on 29/03/2010 12:00
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Well round up all the foreign prisoners and plant them in the sand to buffer the tide. We will save a fortune on them big rocks :)

King_Ricard Posted on 29/03/2010 12:01
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Roflcopter.

chorleyphil Posted on 29/03/2010 12:24
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beattsmjk - fair play to you son, you vote for who YOU feel fit. [^]


Regardless of what some of these arguementative bellends are getting off on.

King_Ricard Posted on 29/03/2010 12:28
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I agree, people can vote for whoever they want. However, what people believe they are voting for and what they are actually voting for with the BNP is something different.


chorleyphil Posted on 29/03/2010 12:32
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as opposed to what which party?

King_Ricard Posted on 29/03/2010 12:35
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probably none, but lets be honest voting Lib Dem or UKIP or Green as oposed to the big 2 parties is hardly likely to mean electing people who have race hate convictions or people who associate with the Kl Klux Klan or lovely people like Forza Nuevo.

Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 13:44
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"I didn't realise the 'average working man' wanted all blacks and Asians deported."



The BNP dropped the enforced repatriation policy in the 1990s when Nick Griffin took over as leader.

The BNP would only deport illegal immigrants, bogus asylum seekers and immigrants who've committed crimes.

And they now have people from ethnic minorities in their ranks.

icarus1965 Posted on 29/03/2010 17:58
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people can vote for who they want to vote
for

don,t let these left wing socialists tell you what to do !!!....

Muttley Posted on 29/03/2010 19:32
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"don,t let these left wing socialists tell you what to do !"

Leaving aside the tautology, this post was started by someone who would not describe himself as a "left wing socialist". Perhaps if you could point me to the posts advocating voting communist, socialist worker or even LABOUR you might have a point... I won't hold my breath.

It is a fact that BNP and similar organisations target football supporters as fertile grounds for their vile philosophy. I couldn't say if madmick (or anonymous_hero) was a recruiting sergeant for the BNP or just a mug who read some glossy fluffy buzzwords on a website and was stupid enough to think it showed a reasoned solution to the problems of this country and it's not for me to say. All anyone has said on here is know the consequences of your vote.

Those of us opposed to racism (and I mean opposed to it, not just of the opinion that it's not very nice) would NEVER vote BNP, there are many alternatives outside the "big three". Vote for who you want to but be under no illusion that the BNP and Griffin are anything other than the glossy shop front for racists and white supremacists.

Don't justify it as a "protest vote" it's a vote for cowards and bullies. Scum.

Smoked-Kippers Posted on 29/03/2010 20:24
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Hahahaha this is brilliant,if there were message boards for people to type on in 1932 in Germany,the same shyte woulda been getting typed by madmick an his cronies haha,the BNP are a racist bunch of clowns,anyone that votes for them is a racist clown,and trying to justify if by typing bullsh1t policies is a super clown!!!kn0bbers!!!!

MADMICK Posted on 29/03/2010 20:29
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"recruiting sergeant for the BNP"..i like that one muttley[:D]
as for been a "mug"...perhaps if you took your blindfold off and had a look around you and seen the state this country is in due to overcrowding through massive unchecked immirgration, people on here would'nt take you for a "mug" so easily.

As for not voting for the BNP as you put it.. "Don't justify it as a "protest vote" it's a vote for cowards and bullies. Scum."

Is this they same cowards and bullies and Scum in that video link i posted attacking a fairly elected euro MP trying to stop him having free speech, therefore going against the very principles they pretend to uphold?..very ironic dont you think mutley?


guyb Posted on 29/03/2010 20:35
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All you need to do is make people understand that if the BNP obtained power the first thing they would do is round up Hoyte, Lita, Drogba, Evra, N'Zogbia, Sol Campbell, Ashley Cole, Kieran Dyer and Jermaine Jenas and ship them overseas.


Ok, ok, bad example.[;)]

Smoked-Kippers Posted on 29/03/2010 20:40
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hahahahahahahahahaha are you genuinely still pushing this??absolute toilet!!

Smoked-Kippers Posted on 29/03/2010 20:41
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ere madmick,what do you do for a living???cos ive got a mate thats just had a frontal lobotamy an i reckon he could still do the same as you,going on some of your posts!!

zzzzz Posted on 29/03/2010 20:42
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Are you a member of the BNP MADMICK?

reckre Posted on 29/03/2010 20:44
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BNP [^]

MADMICK Posted on 29/03/2010 20:47
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Are you a member of the BNP MADMICK?

Nope, ive only ever voted once in my life and that was against Thatcher.

Altho, if something isnt done very shortly about the massive immirgration problem, i may very well vote for any party who says they will stop it.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 20:47
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The BNP dropped the enforced repatriation policy in the 1990s when Nick Griffin took over as leader.

The BNP would only deport illegal immigrants, bogus asylum seekers and immigrants who've committed crimes.

And they now have people from ethnic minorities in their ranks.

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They'd also offer incentives for immigrants and their descendants to leave too.

Although, Griffin is reluctant to describe these "incentives".

But let's not bet around the bush here; anyone who doesn't fit the BNP's profile as to what they consider "British" wouldn't be welcome in Britain.

So, the compulsory repatriation may not exist in their literature, but if you chose to be ignorant in regards to their updated policy then that's your prerogative. The intentions of the BNP still exist.

Space_Face Posted on 29/03/2010 20:54
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Immigration isn't actually 'unchecked' though, is it?

Some of what they say may make sense but that's all irrelevant when you scratch the surface and uncover what they're really about. They've been doing their best in recent years to paint themselves as a legitimate party.






Link: racist

Muttley Posted on 29/03/2010 20:56
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"Is this they same cowards and bullies and Scum in that video link i posted attacking a fairly elected euro MP trying to stop him having free speech"

No, Mick, those are DIFFERENT cowards, bullies and scum and just as reprehensible. Where did I state otherwise? As I said, you are the one advocating the policies of a party founded on hate, not me.

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 29/03/2010 21:18
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Seems like some of you are branding people racists because they have an opinion on the immigration policy.[V]

Muttley Posted on 29/03/2010 21:54
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No, I'm saying that the BNP and Griffin are racist and as someone who is opposed to racism (and discrimination in general) I would never countenance voting for them. I am pointing out that beneath the glossy buzz words they are the same old white robe wearin', cross burnin', goose steppin', arse holes they have always been.

You vote for them if you want, that is your prerogative in a free society BUT don't let's pretend they are not racist scum. Because they are.

BoroPhil Posted on 29/03/2010 22:03
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MYTH

Uk takes more than its fair share of immigrants

TRUTH

Numbers rose from 2.6 million in 1961 to 5.4 million in 2005 - a 110 per cent increase that is in line with the rest of the world.

Less than three per cent of the world's migrants live in BRITAIN.

And we have a smaller proportion of immigrants than the US, Canada, Australia and several European countries including Germany.

Percentage of world's migrant population living in..

UK

3% GERMANY

5% USA

13%

MYTH

Britain is becoming a country of racial ghettoes

TRUTH

The only concentrations anything like ghettoes are of white people.

There are no very high concentrations of particular ethnic groups.

Even the least white ward in Britain - Southall Broadway in the London Borough of Ealing - has a 12 per cent white population.

At street level average white person lives in an area which is..

94% white

At street level average Pakistani person lives in an area which is..

26% Pakistani

MYTH

Ethnic minorities don't mix with other racial groups

TRUTH

Less than 20 per cent of minorities born in BRITAIN have friends only from their own group.

White people are actually the most isolated in their friendships - more than half only have white friends. For most ethnic minority young people, roughly half of their friends are white.

There is also a big rise in children born to mixed ethnic parents.

Percentage of population who only have friends of same race

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56% white

20% ethnic

MYTH

Immigrants are lazy, unskilled scroungers

TRUTH

They are entrepreneurial, fill labour gaps and improve productivity.

Most tend to be professionals and managers - and this has been the case for three decades.

Immigrants are more likely than those born in BRITAIN to be graduates.

Even refugees, often thought of as a burden, are more highly skilled that the population of BRITAIN on average.

Percentage of population who have a skilled trade

23% refugees

12% rest of UK

MYTH

Britain is full.. immigrants cause housing shortages

TRUTH

Apparent pressure on housing is caused by the trend for smaller household numbers and larger houses rather than immigration.

Ethnic minorities are less responsible for space and housing pressure than the white population.

Thirty per cent of white UK citizens live in one-person households. Nine per cent of Bangladeshis do the same.

Average number of people per household

White British: 2.3

Bangladeshi: 4.2

3.. times as much land area taken to accommodate white Britons as Bangladeshis

MYTH

Some cities will be minority white in two years' time

TRUTH

Best estimates indicate there will be no cities with white populations of less than 50 per cent by 2011.

All cities forecast to have populations less than half white within the next few decades will remain ethnically mixed, with whites making up between 25 and 50 per cent.

Year whites will make up less than half projected population

Leicester: 2019

Birmingham: 2024

Bradford: 2031

MADMICK Posted on 29/03/2010 22:26
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muttley, whatever peoples opinions on the BNP may be, one things for sure, if any of the main parties dont start doing something about mass immergration and the over population of this country, it will only drive more people to voting for the BNP.
Its a shame some of the posters on here cant see how people feel about this problem without having to result in calling everyone that mentions it, a "racist" or a "thug" or a "bullie" or "scum"

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/03/2010 22:29
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MYTH

Uk takes more than its fair share of immigrants

TRUTH

Numbers rose from 2.6 million in 1961 to 5.4 million in 2005 - a 110 per cent increase that is in line with the rest of the world.

Less than three per cent of the world's migrants live in BRITAIN.

And we have a smaller proportion of immigrants than the US, Canada, Australia and several European countries including Germany.

Percentage of world's migrant population living in..

UK

3% GERMANY

5% USA

13%

MYTH

Britain is becoming a country of racial ghettoes

TRUTH

The only concentrations anything like ghettoes are of white people.

There are no very high concentrations of particular ethnic groups.

Even the least white ward in Britain - Southall Broadway in the London Borough of Ealing - has a 12 per cent white population.

At street level average white person lives in an area which is..

94% white

At street level average Pakistani person lives in an area which is..

26% Pakistani

MYTH

Ethnic minorities don't mix with other racial groups

TRUTH

Less than 20 per cent of minorities born in BRITAIN have friends only from their own group.

White people are actually the most isolated in their friendships - more than half only have white friends. For most ethnic minority young people, roughly half of their friends are white.

There is also a big rise in children born to mixed ethnic parents.

Percentage of population who only have friends of same race

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56% white

20% ethnic

MYTH

Immigrants are lazy, unskilled scroungers

TRUTH

They are entrepreneurial, fill labour gaps and improve productivity.

Most tend to be professionals and managers - and this has been the case for three decades.

Immigrants are more likely than those born in BRITAIN to be graduates.

Even refugees, often thought of as a burden, are more highly skilled that the population of BRITAIN on average.

Percentage of population who have a skilled trade

23% refugees

12% rest of UK

MYTH

Britain is full.. immigrants cause housing shortages

TRUTH

Apparent pressure on housing is caused by the trend for smaller household numbers and larger houses rather than immigration.

Ethnic minorities are less responsible for space and housing pressure than the white population.

Thirty per cent of white UK citizens live in one-person households. Nine per cent of Bangladeshis do the same.

Average number of people per household

White British: 2.3

Bangladeshi: 4.2

3.. times as much land area taken to accommodate white Britons as Bangladeshis

MYTH

Some cities will be minority white in two years' time

TRUTH

Best estimates indicate there will be no cities with white populations of less than 50 per cent by 2011.

All cities forecast to have populations less than half white within the next few decades will remain ethnically mixed, with whites making up between 25 and 50 per cent.

Year whites will make up less than half projected population

Leicester: 2019

Birmingham: 2024

Bradford: 2031 '




CUT AND PASTE IF YOU ARE A RACIST.

Muttley Posted on 29/03/2010 22:35
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Mick, I may have implied that you were a recruiting sergeant for the BNP but I never called YOU a racist, a thug or a bully. I pointed out that were you to vote for the BNP you will be voting for racist, thuggish bullies. Or more simply scum.

As I said, it's your vote. But don't pretend that the BNP are somehow on the side of the common man. They seek to use them. Read about the rise of the Nazis in interwar Germany, you will recognise the tactics used to achieve power and then ruthlessly crush any opposition. The missing ingredient is a charismatic leader, we are fortunate that as well as having the policies and politics of scum, Nick Griffin is blessed with the charm and charisma of a shidt covered cockroach.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 22:39
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MADMICK, do you think over-population and immigration are the only problems the peoples of Britain face?

Do you think these alone are enough people to turn to the BNP?

beattsmjk Posted on 29/03/2010 22:44
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Their policies sound reasonable to me.

Yes BNP are a bunch of racist bigots of that there is no doubt, but why can't Labour or the Tories come up with similar ideas to these?







Link: Not just about race

Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 22:50
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One policy I do like of theirs is the immediate withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan.

As somebody with family in the armed forces, I will not vote for a party that believes we should remain there. I couldn't vote for a party that may very possibly be sending them to their death. And for what?

Muttley Posted on 29/03/2010 22:55
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"why can't Labour or the Tories come up with similar ideas to these?"

Because, if you actually tried to implement them you would bankrupt the country. You will notice there are no costings on any of these "policies", and nearly all of them would cost money to do with very few raising money.

For example, let's look at the costs of "repatriation" roughly six million people to repatriate. How are you going to do it? Do you expect the airlines to fly them "home" for free? Cheapest flight I cold find to Pakistan was £350, so let's assume that as an average cost. So just flying the immigrants "home" is going to cost £2,100,000,000. TWO POINT ONE BILLION POUNDS and that's assuming that the only "incentive" you offer is a free ticket.

It's nonsense and they can afford to propose it because in all likelihood there aren't enough stupid people in Britain to vote them anywhere near power.

HolgateCorner Posted on 29/03/2010 22:59
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I think a lot of people are just crying 'foul' on here at the mere mention of the BNP and are not listening to what people are saying.

I will never vote for the BNP or a racist party like them but that does not mean I disagree with everything they say and some of the issues they raise are disgracefuly ignored by the main parties for fear of upsetting the ethnic vote or being labelled racist themselves.

A lot of people aren't happy about the levels of immigration and the extended family implications with its burden on our welfare state and health service which all has to be paid for.

A lot of people are not happy with the situation surrounding cheap immigrant workers who may work hard but live in cheap, shared, student like conditions which ensure they are more competitive than British workers who are trying to buy houses and bring up families etc in a normal way.

A lot of people aren't happy that the criminal seems to be better treated and thought of than the vitims of crime.

A lot of people aren't happy that British companies are becoming a thing of history and that our workers like at Corus are continually sold down the river in favour of foreign manufacturing plants.

A lot of people don't like the EU and all it stands for.

That's why people turn to parties like the BNP, because the main parties refuse to even acknowledge that these are major issues for the man in the street. It's not about racism it's about key issues that ordinary people are not happy about.

BoroPhil Posted on 29/03/2010 23:06
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that's just a feeble excuse, everyone knows what the bnp stands for, everyone knows they are facist, racist, holocaust-denying scum. people can't hide behind 'oh well I like their immigration policies', you know what they stand for, and if you vote for them, that's what you are voting for.

HolgateCorner Posted on 29/03/2010 23:15
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BoroPhil - if people don't start opening their eyes to some of the key issues which a lot of hard working, non-racist, tax paying, law abiding citizens in this country feel need addressing in a sensible manner then you will end up with somebody like the BNP getting a lot of votes.

Time to take the blinkers off and look at the world around you, not the one you would like it to be but the one it actually is.

MADMICK Posted on 29/03/2010 23:16
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Borophil, how can you say that?
HolgateCorner has just given a perfectly acceptable explanation as to why he thinks people would turn to the BNP.

"that's just a feeble excuse, everyone knows what the bnp stands for, everyone knows they are facist, racist, holocaust-denying scum.
people can't hide behind 'oh well I like their immigration policies', you know what they stand for, and if you vote for them, that's what you are voting for."

you know what Labour stand for, mercilessly killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims during the Iraq and Afgan wars...would you like to call them unprovoked murdering scummy lying b@stards while your at it...lets face it, "you know what they stand for, and if you vote for them, that's what you are voting for."

No single party can offer everything you want, its a case of what you want in this country and finding the best balance between what you want and what you dont want.



standing22 Posted on 29/03/2010 23:18
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this area is mainly working class would u all agree and its our jobs we have seen go to foreign workers elsewhere so i think alot of the plants and factorys on teesside will have alot of support for the bnp you cant overpopulate a country more people on dole and benefits we have enough of our own scum we didnt need any more but we got more and the fact that councils are paying these foreigners for housing and other benefits while we live in debt and worry will make any party that pleads to get rid of them appealing

BoroPhil Posted on 29/03/2010 23:20
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I do agree we don't have a particularly good set of choices. but people who vote bnp can't get away with ignoring their blatantly racist and facist policies.


Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 23:23
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I think many people THINK they know what the BNP stands for and base their opinions on what their peers and the LibLabCon-affiliated media say about them, instead of actually having a look for themselves.

Lots of people for example still think they have a policy to forcibly deport all non-whites. They dropped that policy back in the 1990s and now have non-white members.

They're also very probably more pro-Jewish than the left nowadays who appear to have been infiltrated by islamists. The BNP have a Jewish councillor and members running for parliament. Do Respect?

BoroPhil Posted on 29/03/2010 23:29
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oh thats ok then, they don't want to forcibly deport all non-whites. glad they've dropped that. easy mistake to make, having that as a policy.

non-white members? are you for XXXXXXing real? :D because they were dragged kicking and screaming into court?

and I wonder why they might be pro-Jewish... hmmm. who are the Israelis having a bit of a spat with atm?

I guess they must ignore Griffin's previous holocaust denial when having a chat with their jewish members.


Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 23:36
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My point is that they're nowhere near as extreme as they were under John Tyndall in the 1990s.

I'm not trying to claim that they're a right-on multicultural rainbow ffs.

BoroPhil Posted on 29/03/2010 23:40
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it's like saying aids is better than cancer.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 23:44
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I think many people THINK they know what the BNP stands for and base their opinions on what their peers and the LibLabCon-affiliated media say about them, instead of actually having a look for themselves.

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And what about those that actually have looked at their policies and still see them for what they truly are, what then? Are you still going to roll out this pathetic "Oh it's what the LibLabCon-influence media tell them?"

It's remarkable how you insist you're not defending the BNP and Griffin but seem desperate to do exactly that.

It's cute how you, MADMICK and others are trying to paint them as something they're clearly not.

Wake up.

Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 23:46
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Well if the three main parties weren't so godawful and similar, we wouldn't even be discussing them.

The three establishment parties have lost the trust of the public and appear to be increasingly out of touch with public opinion.

They've forgotten that their purpose is to represent the British people, NOT sell them out.

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 29/03/2010 23:47
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How is he defending Griffin and the BNP ? [rle]

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 23:47
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My point is that they're nowhere near as extreme as they were under John Tyndall in the 1990s.

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Why, because they've carefully re-worded a few policies to dupe people into thinking that really, they're not that bad?

[:D]

Don't you live in Australia by the way?

MADMICK Posted on 29/03/2010 23:48
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Something that might be of intrest to you all..
one of my best mates comes from India, he has a family and runs his own shop.
He moved here about 25 years ago, and he's SERIOUSLY considering voting for the BNP.
he tells me how he sees the country has changed since he came here, Overcrowding, Drug addicts everywhere, violence, robberies are now normal everyday happenings, lack of money been spent in the shop do to extortionate prices (which comes from or so called" Good politicians" and thier made up claims about man made climate change) people come into his shop swearing been abusive to him and his wife, and he takes it because thats how he was brought up, to be respectfull.
He laughs when i jokingly tell him he'll be deported if the BNP get in power...he says ..GOOD...i'll see what incentives they offer and i'll be on the first plane back to India..and he means it as well.
So you see..its not just the people born in this country that are sick of the way its been run into the ground, its long established immirgrants that are as well.
Untill something is done about mass immergration and Crime associated problems, the BNP will get stronger and stronger.
If people have issues with the BNP then i suggest they look at whats happening in this overpopulated country and get onto thier local MP's and make thier feelings know, instead of having a pop at people trying to resolve the issue.
Lets face it, if Liebpur (courtesy of Only_Me[:D]) hadnt opened the flood gates, this country would'nt be talking about reducing immirgration numbers.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 23:52
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Interesting story, MADMICK.

I can tell you've put a lot of thought into that, unfortunately your anecdote is not very convincing.

[V]

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/03/2010 23:52
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when someone says 'immergration' you cant honestly take them seriously can you[:D]

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 29/03/2010 23:53
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Oh by the way.....

He points his bat at the pavilion, this is his first FMTTM century [ref]

flaps Posted on 29/03/2010 23:54
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either racist or thick

Bukowski Posted on 29/03/2010 23:55
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Agreed. Labour are responsible. The Tories always seemed to have immigration under control and Labour just opened the floodgates. Labour also seem to have forgotten their roots as a party for the (mainly industrial) working class.

petedreadnought Posted on 29/03/2010 23:56
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when someone says 'immergration' you cant honestly take them seriously can you[:D]

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When they say "I always get called a racist on here when I discuss immigration" is a good one too.

Get the victim card out nice and early to try for some sympathy.

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/03/2010 23:56
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'immirgration'

One last attempt , you can do it [:D]

MADMICK Posted on 29/03/2010 23:57
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Well done AH![;)]

Mind you, from the minute the BNP was mentioned, it was almost gaurenteed![:D]


Whats got 3 letters and causes mass hysteria....BNP! [:D][:D]

Splendid Puff.......awwww forget it, your just a nob anyway...PHA![:o)][:D]

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/03/2010 23:59
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He gave up, just like all stupids do eventually.

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 30/03/2010 00:03
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bnpphobics [;)]

MADMICK Posted on 30/03/2010 00:03
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यह किसी भी बेहतर है बहुत खूब कश ... आप्रवास

is that better SP?...clown[:o)]

SplendidStuff Posted on 30/03/2010 00:06
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Sorry but i only speak and read english mick, please enlighten me.

Smoked-Kippers Posted on 30/03/2010 00:08
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Good story that!!is your mate all there??so if the bnp get in they'll get rid of drug addicts from run down sh0tty parts of the country???violence,robberies will be a thing of the past due to the bnp getting in????on top of the thousands of reasons why no'one should even think about voting for them,they've never been in power!!it'd just fall to pieces.100% racists!!!please stop typing up your version of Daily Mirror arcticles,the simple fact you're atguing your point just cements the fact that you're a little bit slow!!!

MADMICK Posted on 30/03/2010 00:09
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well maybe you need to learn more languages to fit in with all these ethnic minorities your so fond of, and then perhaps you can have some justification in pulling people up on thier spelling[:o)]

SplendidStuff Posted on 30/03/2010 00:10
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'well maybe you need to learn more languages to fit in with all these ethnic minorities your so fond of'

Which ethnic minorities are these?

'and then perhaps you can have some justification in pulling people up on thier spelling'

Ironic [:D]

MADMICK Posted on 30/03/2010 00:12
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Once again Splendid, you show yourself up to be the complete idiot once again[V]

SplendidStuff Posted on 30/03/2010 00:13
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Lets all just agree that BNP voters who say they are NOT racist share the same political beliefs of those who run a party that IS. [^]

BoroPhil Posted on 30/03/2010 00:14
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mick, why are you so scared of immigrants?

read my post on immigration myths, educate yourself.

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 00:17
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You're not exactly doing yourself any favours either, MADMICK.

You should maybe try proof reading your posts before hitting submit too.

SplendidStuff Posted on 30/03/2010 00:17
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'Once again Splendid, you show yourself up to be the complete idiot once again'

Mick, its obvious your opinion on here counts for nothing, you are a laughing stock.

Smoked-Kippers Posted on 30/03/2010 00:21
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madmick,have you got anymore a them stories about yer mate with the shop???im having trouble getting to sleep and i reckon another one of them beauties off yerslf and i'll be in a coma!!lash me up mate!![V][V][V]

MADMICK Posted on 30/03/2010 00:22
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BoroPhil, i dont have a problem with immirgration at all, its mass immirgration that worries me, answer me one question...you dont seem concerned about it, so when will you be? at what point? ..when will YOU decide this country can no longer take any more immirgrants?..and when you do, will YOU also become a Racist?
This countries full and its about to get a LOT worse if nothing is done about it.

So watch the video and answer my question


Link: No ghettos eh?

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 00:22
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MADMICK, didn't you recently post on here that you were considering emigrating to Portugal or New Zealand?

SplendidStuff Posted on 30/03/2010 00:24
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No he's IMMERGRATING [:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 00:27
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MADMICK, do you believe everything you watch on YouTube, including pathetically biased BNP propaganda?

BoroPhil Posted on 30/03/2010 00:27
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I couldn't care less Mick, live and let live. If people want to come here, good luck to them, they've as much right to be here as I have.


Smoked-Kippers Posted on 30/03/2010 00:32
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oway madmick,theres nowt on telly,just one little story about your imaginary mate,come on,maybe make up a little adventure he could go on,stewarts park to see all the animals or something

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 00:35
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Has anyone else watched MADMICK's video?

Some Welsh bloke happens to drive down some road in Wembley filming people paying particular attention to everyone who is non-white.

The coward is then seen in the streets talking Welsh, explaining that "There are hardly any British people left here", but makes no effort whatsoever to even address the non-white people walking by him to actually ask if they are British.

Seems like he's presuming that because they're non-white then they're non-British.

[rle]


tyronepositive Posted on 30/03/2010 00:36
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David Yelland was asked about politics and said this on 5 Live this morning. Politics should be about helping the people that cant help themselves.

Any right-thinking or fair minded person would not vote BNP. Please dont be fooled by any of their views. You dont have to dig too deep to find hatred of others - that cant be right.

SplendidStuff Posted on 30/03/2010 00:37
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Michael is full of steam, best not to watch his BNP propoganda[V]

SplendidStuff Posted on 30/03/2010 00:49
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And like that they are gone, until the stupidity awakens again[|)]

beattsmjk Posted on 30/03/2010 09:10
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It seems like there are one or two people on this board who are either students living in an ideological world or people who have never travelled the country and seen the state it is in.

Referring of course to Madmicks video, I have worked in the area in which the video is set and believe me it is exactly like that. White people are virtually unseen.

If I go to London, which I frequently do, then I feel like a foreigner in my own land. How is that of benefit to me?

People talk of an ethnically rich and diverse scountry that is made all the better by living in a multicultural society. I disagree! I live in Stockton, and due to this so called multicultural society there are now parts of the town that I would not venture into after dark due to a mass influx of Africans, Eastern Europeans etc. Which is down to Labours ridiculous immigration policy.

My sister is married to a Kurd, and what they get away with (legally) makes my blood boil. The police are simply too tied up or not interested in dealing with immigrant crime.


People need to wake up and grow up.


I was stopeed on the streets of Manchester last weekend by an anti BNP demonstration. The people conducting the demo were, I would guess below the age of 22. Normally I would walk straight past, but on this occasion I was quite interested in their viewpoint. Guess what, they were reading facts and figures from a crib sheet and when I contested their views they couldnt put up a valid argument.

The point is it's all too easy to slag of the BNP, I for one will NOT be voting for them, but don't write someone off just from what you have read in the media. The three major parties are almost as bad and there is most certainly a huge amount of corruption that we simply never hear of due to newspapers being controlled by these people. Even the BBC is heavily censored.

What we need is a party to come along and take a fresh and sensible look at how the country should be organised that will benefit the majority.

Unfortunately the way I see it, there is nobody in a position to do that in the next general election, and so we will end up with more of the same.


Muttley Posted on 30/03/2010 09:17
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"don't write someone off just from what you have read in the media"

Are you still wittering on about this? They are condemned from their own mouths, no-one is telling you how to vote simply that IF you vote for the BNP you ARE voting for a racist party.

"Even the BBC is heavily censored" Oh dear it's tin foil hats time, the lizard men are coming to reprogramme our heads. Divvy.

speckyget Posted on 30/03/2010 09:57
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'If I go to London, which I frequently do, then I feel like a foreigner in my own land. How is that of benefit to me?'


I go there most weeks. It's full of Cockneys. Makes me feel like some sort of 'Northerner' in my own land.


Oh and pretty much what flaps said, although the two are hardly mutually exclusive.

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 13:51
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Referring of course to Madmicks video, I have worked in the area in which the video is set and believe me it is exactly like that. White people are virtually unseen.

If I go to London, which I frequently do, then I feel like a foreigner in my own land. How is that of benefit to me?

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Why, because just like that racist idiot in MADMICK's video, there happens to be those pesky brown people walking around instead of white, chubby skinheads?

I can't decide if some people on here are on a wind-up, or are just racist morons.

Dibzzz Posted on 30/03/2010 13:59
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Have you seen Wembley? The home of English football.

It could easily be mistaken for Pakistan.

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 14:03
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Have you seen Wembley? The home of English football.

It could easily be mistaken for Pakistan.

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Firstly, how could it easily be mistaken for Pakistan?

Secondly, have you ever been to Pakistan?

Dibzzz Posted on 30/03/2010 14:12
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I've not been to Pakistan, but I spent a few weeks about 30 miles form the border in Jaisalmer in India, which I imagine is very similar.

Just I seen a clip on youtube showng Wembley town centre if you like, it could be a town in Pakistan as everyone looks to be from that part of the world.

Is there something wrong is saying that?

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 15:44
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Okay, Dibzzz. How do you define a "British" citizen?

Also, if those people in that video were white, would it attract the same amount of interest from the BNP, even though every person may well have been an East-European immigrant?

Dibzzz Posted on 30/03/2010 15:46
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Yeah, what ever.

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 15:54
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Stumped!

[:D]

Dibzzz Posted on 30/03/2010 15:59
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No not really, just can't be arsed arguing the toss with you.

If you can't see that there's an immigration crisis in this counrty, then so be it.

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 16:09
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There's a difference between discussing problems with immigration and presuming that everyone who isn't white is part of that problem.

Why can't you understand this and why can't you answer my previous questions?

Dibzzz Posted on 30/03/2010 16:33
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Of course I understand that.

You are British if you're are born in Britain, or if you are born abroad with British parents, if you want to be.

Nowt to do with colour of skin.

I find it hard to accept that everyone on that video of Wembley was born in Britain, simple as that.

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 16:38
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I find it hard to accept that everyone on that video of Wembley was born in Britain, simple as that.

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If they were all white would you feel the same?

Dibzzz Posted on 30/03/2010 16:42
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Yeah, of course, as I said before, it's nowt to do with colour, this country is far to over populated, we don't need any more immigration, other countries have strict immigration criteria, why can't we?
We are a soft touch.

Anonymous-Hero Posted on 30/03/2010 18:40
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Whats difficult to understand the point that Dibbzz is making Pete ?

SplendidStuff Posted on 30/03/2010 18:53
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To say that the video had people who are not white and they automatically default to Pakistani origin is very silly.

Just gors to show how some people really are bigotted, or maybe just very simplistic in their view of the world.

petedreadnought Posted on 30/03/2010 19:42
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Whats difficult to understand the point that Dibbzz is making Pete ?

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What relevance does his "point" have to the content of the video I'm discussing?

His point is clear, but his comments are bordering on the ridiculous.

libardi Posted on 30/03/2010 19:54
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MADMICK - it *does* sound pretty racist and *not* realistic.

Those policies would ultimately end in a police state or dystopian society. Maybe like Children of Men. Can't wait for that