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allied_assault Posted on 27/03/2010 17:23
You all think Strachan will get it right?

He wont.

JLinardi Posted on 27/03/2010 17:24
You all think Strachan will get it right?

ffs

FrozenHorse Posted on 27/03/2010 17:26
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"He wont."

Oh. Really? Okay then: Strachan Out! Strachan Out![rle]

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 17:40
You all think Strachan will get it right?

FrozenHorse - he will.[:(!]

doharay Posted on 27/03/2010 17:41
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Is allied ass ault right? NO!![:o)][:o)]

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 27/03/2010 17:43
You all think Strachan will get it right?

who knows?

corabora Posted on 27/03/2010 17:45
You all think Strachan will get it right?

No. He has not previously. Why should he now?

br14 Posted on 27/03/2010 18:02
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Got to say that after January I thought he'd at least improve the results.

But he hasn't. McDonald has been a disaster, and if you add the fact we lost Johnson in order that he could come in, it's an even worse decision.

I'd like to know on what basis posters think Strachan is going to get it right. As far as I can see he's tactically inept.

All this bullXXXXXX about better football is naieve. You can't commit forward like a Chelsea or Man Utd, unless you have the players to pull it off. A sure sign is when you lose games that you dominate.

We really would have been better off keeping Southgate. We could have let his contract run out and then bring in someone else. At least the club would have saved a few million and perhaps had room to strengthen.

This seasons biggest disaster is the fact the fans have left in droves, and the financial impact of that is probably going to mean the Premier League will be a distant memory in years to come.

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 18:03
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Disagree with almost every word br14.

Marc_Feld Posted on 27/03/2010 18:03
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Yes he will.

Kenneth_Williams Posted on 27/03/2010 18:05
You all think Strachan will get it right?

clueless, ginger, very ugly, can't understand what he is saying, plus he has terrible table manners apparently, and bad personal hygiene.


get rid.

Normanby-Loyal Posted on 27/03/2010 18:07
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I'd like to think he will, but one thing is for sure he will do a better job than if we had stuck with the mullet haired media whore!!!

COME ON BORO[^]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 27/03/2010 18:07
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Second half of the season has been disappointing. I think the problem being that we were in a false position at the start and the hopes were high.

We had a poor guy in charge for three seasons prior, the depth of the damage is there for all to see. It's a long job putting it right.

br14 Posted on 27/03/2010 18:08
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I wouldn't have expected anything else AdiDem.

You're one of Strachans biggest admirers, but surely you expected more.

I've always thought Strachan was the right manager at the wrong club. He's not going to have funding to rebuild so he'll have to be a miracle worker.

We needed someone to consoldiate, sort out a few stupid contracts, and bring in a few players on loan.

Not saying that with the right resources he couldn't do a decent job, but I doubt he'll be given them. Have you checked the latest set of accounts.

FrozenHorse Posted on 27/03/2010 18:09
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"Got to say that after January I thought he'd at least improve the results.

But he hasn't"

Yes he has.
He averaged 0.8 points per game before the transfer window, and 1.46 points per game since the start of January. Still not good enough you might argue, but to suggest there hasn't been an improvement in results is wrong.

WGS has recognised some of our failings and has addressed them eg. lack of leadership. He's never prestended we're anything near the finished article, or that there aren't other areas of the team to improve. He has improved the teams and, I believe, will continue to do so.


his_dudeness Posted on 27/03/2010 18:12
You all think Strachan will get it right?

[rle]he could hardly have had a worse run of results than he did for the first 10 games frozen


improving on that dreadful run hardly merits appraisal


the away form is terrible, all strachan seems to have done is reverse the home and away from from earlier in the season

we are now harder to beat at home but soft as shyte away

br14 Posted on 27/03/2010 18:15
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"Yes he has"

Sorry. I concede the point to your superior math. It just doesn't feel much better.

"He has improved the teams and, I believe, will continue to do so."

The problem is that he first dismantled the team, and it was a lot easier to improve what remained.

We may get very lucky given the teams to be relegated next season.

But we're no better than any of the teams around us now, so unless he gets the entire 11 million parachute cash to spend we're not going anywhere. I think the banks may have a say in that one.

FrozenHorse Posted on 27/03/2010 18:17
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"he could hardly have had a worse run of results than he did for the first 10 games frozen"

Ok, that's fair comment.
However, the improvement is conspicuous. We're going to miss the target of promotion for sure, but do you boot out someone who undeniably is improving the team, or take pot-luck with someone else?

beamishboro Posted on 27/03/2010 18:17
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br14 Posted on 27/03/2010 18:02
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Got to say that after January I thought he'd at least improve the results.

But he hasn't. McDonald has been a disaster, and if you add the fact we lost Johnson in order that he could come in, it's an even worse decision.

I'd like to know on what basis posters think Strachan is going to get it right. As far as I can see he's tactically inept.

All this bullXXXXXX about better football is naieve. You can't commit forward like a Chelsea or Man Utd, unless you have the players to pull it off. A sure sign is when you lose games that you dominate.

We really would have been better off keeping Southgate. We could have let his contract run out and then bring in someone else. At least the club would have saved a few million and perhaps had room to strengthen.

This seasons biggest disaster is the fact the fans have left in droves, and the financial impact of that is probably going to mean the Premier League will be a distant memory in years to come.


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

joebonano Posted on 27/03/2010 18:20
You all think Strachan will get it right?

If you read what Strachan said in the Northern Echo today you will have read that he needs to make further big changes and that the squad is nowhere near what he is looking for

boroboymike Posted on 27/03/2010 18:27
You all think Strachan will get it right?

The fact that the 2 worst players he inherited (Arca and Aliadiere) are first names on the teamsheet when they're fit demonstrates how clueless he is.

i couldn't give a XXXXXX what his intentions for the summer are if he currently thinks Miller and Arca are better options that Franks and Lita.

FrozenHorse Posted on 27/03/2010 18:32
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"the 2 worst players he inherited (Arca and Aliadiere) are first names on the teamsheet when they're fit"

Bull's hit. I think WGS will get it right, but even I accept there are valid reasons to question his management. This isn't one of them; the anti-WGS brigade cheapen their arguments by inventing stuff like this...

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 18:34
You all think Strachan will get it right?

br14 - as a more sensible poster I enjoy debating with you. I think Strachan is exactly the right man for the job but of course I've been disappointed with the results. I've said many times though that I think it is short term pain for long term gain.

Contrary to your view that he needs money to be successful I think he is exactly the man to operate on a small budget. Every club he has been at has been successful with limited resource, even Celtic.

I have absolute faith that he will get it right. I'm not his biggest fan, I support Boro and I believe that he will deliver in a way that I never thought Southgate would.

FrozenHorse Posted on 27/03/2010 18:38
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"Sorry. I concede the point to your superior math. It just doesn't feel much better."


Fair enough BR14, and if he doesn't keep improving the team next season, I'll start to agree with you. So far, however, he has improved the team and it would be madness to change manager while he continues to do so.

joebonano Posted on 27/03/2010 18:39
You all think Strachan will get it right?

For the clubs sake Adi he has to get it right as realistically if we dont go up next time we are going to be in a lot of trouble.
There is a lot of moaning on here but most fans accept he's going to get a summer to change things about and a preseason,we really have to hit the ground running in August.

The_263 Posted on 27/03/2010 18:40
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"You all think Strachan will get it right?"

If his unofficial remit is to avoid promotion and relegation he's getting it spot on. Either that or he has very little faith in his team, in particular his defence.

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 18:40
You all think Strachan will get it right?

What has Strachan done to merit being given money in the summer?

The results have been poor, Watford away FFS, they have lost 5 out of their last 6 games yet we can only get a draw! And the teams around us he has only won Doncaster. Our performances have been brutal home and away. Yes he has signed Robson and McManus which look like they could get us some steady results. But he hasnt done enough for me to get behind him. Yes i will get behind the team but as far as i am concerned with Strachan, he can go FCUK himself!!

joebonano Posted on 27/03/2010 18:43
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What an eloquent post

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 18:51
You all think Strachan will get it right?

The reason he 'merits' being given money is that he has had one transfer window and did more with less than 5m to improve our team than Southgate did in three years.

That and the fact that he is and will remain our manager and without funds we're not going anywhere.

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 18:57
You all think Strachan will get it right?

yes lets give us what money we have to a manager who is tactically inept and doesnt have the full support of the players never mind the fans.

Wonder if he will ever get us to 2nd place with 1 point off top.

Just glad we were there when he took over, we'd be fcuked if we didnt have them many points. This relegation form is brilliant aswell!!

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 19:02
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Ahhh the old 1 point off top nonsense. Brilliant.

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 19:06
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Oh, and we weren't second when we were one point off the top and we weren't 1 point off the top when Strachan joined. Just to be pedantic.

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 19:07
You all think Strachan will get it right?

nonsense? yes, the table never lies.

Adi = nonense [^]

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 19:07
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Well it would help if you remembered the table accurately.

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 19:08
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Who said he started in charge when we were 1 point off top?

Changing what im saying there[rle]

AlBoro1984 Posted on 27/03/2010 19:08
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Hardly relegation form is it you cretin.

You're right though lets all cry and demand Strachan is sacked i....then when Jose Mourinho takes over we can all whine and say how sh-it he is too....then when Arsene Wenger takes over we can all whine and say how sh-it he is too....then when we dig up Brian Clough and he takes over we can all whine and say how sh-it he is too...

What do you expect? Aliturd, Arca etc to suddenly turn into Messi + Ronald under Strachan? Squad will be revamped this Summer, judge him at Christmas.

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 19:10
You all think Strachan will get it right?

How old are you?

Yes lets have digs at each other, are you pathetic? 'cretin', get a grip will you.

It was the same squad southgate had and he got us to 1 point off top and joint 2nd place. YES JOINT!! 2nd place.

Yet Strachan has the same squad and it takes him more than 10 games to get more than 1 win.

Brilliant manager. People like you need to open your eyes

boro8686 Posted on 27/03/2010 19:12
You all think Strachan will get it right?

AlBoro1984 yes it is relegation form if it wasnt for southgates points we would be XXXXXXed mate.

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 19:12
You all think Strachan will get it right?

We weren't second either. Or am I changing what you're saying there too?

I didn't say that us being 1 point off top was nonsense by the way, just the point you're trying to make using that information. We were also 3 points off 10th at the time and 1 point off dropping out of the play offs. The table hadn't taken shape and so, in fact, it can lie.

That table after 13 games can be used as evidence of nothing at all. We had Huth and Tuncay then as well, further skewing the comparison. Throw in the loss of Johnson in January and it soon becomes clear that using that position against Strachan is nothing short of daft.

AlBoro1984 Posted on 27/03/2010 19:16
You all think Strachan will get it right?

So you honestly think if Strachan had the full preseason we'd have got relegated this season?

After 1 transfer window he has already made us significantly stronger. I don't care where Gareth had us so early in the season....we were 8th in the PL in November last season....how did that one end, do remind me. As Gibson pointed out it was a blatantly false position. Do you think Southgate would have kept Johnson? Of course he wouldn't and he'd have signed that gimp St Ledger for 4.5M! Then we WOULD have been XXXXXXed.

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 19:16
You all think Strachan will get it right?

So your saying the fact he sold Johnson in JANUARY was the reason he got us 2 wins in the first 11 games when this was actually before JANUARY.

Just get out of Strachans asshole and look at the facts. His results and performances have been poor. He just isnt looking good enough. At this rate we'll be where Derby are and stuck in the Championship.


boro8686 Posted on 27/03/2010 19:17
You all think Strachan will get it right?

adi adi adi, give it up mate weve completely XXXXXXed it up since southgate left. the fact is we were there an the fact we now have no chance of even the XXXXXXing playoffs with 8 games to go is disgraceful mate. its harly like strachan didnt have a good platform, 4th and one point from top.

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 19:18
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Good, intelligent debating smog. Not only have you completely misunderstood the point you've also made an idiot of yourself by talking about me being in "Strachan's asshole". Well done. Really well done.

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 19:18
You all think Strachan will get it right?

ALBORO - he would have kept Johnson until the end of the season. Dont you listen to what he was saying? It was Strachan who wanted the money the reason he got rid of Johnson.

Johnson would have happily waited until the summer and let it go to a tribunal


smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 19:20
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Adi, so you quite enjoy these results and performances?

Very easily pleased then.

AlBoro1984 Posted on 27/03/2010 19:24
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"ALBORO - he would have kept Johnson until the end of the season. Dont you listen to what he was saying? It was Strachan who wanted the money the reason he got rid of Johnson.

Johnson would have happily waited until the summer and let it go to a tribunal"

That just would not have been viable for a number of reasons.

1. Gibson wouldn't have allowed it.

2. Do you think Johnson would have been fully committed or just play to avoid injuries knowing he had his big move lined up?

3. What if he did get a bad injury in those few months?

4. Tribunal would not have given us anywhere near 7M.

FrozenHorse Posted on 27/03/2010 19:24
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"ALBORO - he would have kept Johnson until the end of the season"

WHich would have been a terrible decision. Selling Johnson was just common sense, it tells you nothing about WGS's management ability or preferred style of play etc...

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 19:26
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Good idea smog. Shift the focus of the discussion to avoid any further embarrassment.

In answer to your question - no. It's why I refer to it as short term 'pain' for long term 'gain'.

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 19:28
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Thats right 7 wins out of 26 games.

More like relegation form to promotion form

Whereas southgates record was 7 wins out of 13 games.

Yes that is half the games Strachan has had with the same amount of wins.

But he's a brilliant manager isnt he?

Old_Gregg Posted on 27/03/2010 19:42
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I have to say that today's first half performance was probably the most appalling I have ever seen from any Boro side under any manager. How could Strachan not see on Tuesday night that Killen and Miller up front together does not work. When Lita came on against Preston we improved no end, and again today we looked a different team when he came on. So why on earth did Strachan not start him FFS?

Gillandi Posted on 27/03/2010 19:45
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"Throw in the loss of Johnson in January"

Adi - I pulled you up on the issue of Johnson leaving in january on your "excellent transfer window" thread...you said his contribution was minimal.

?

woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 19:48
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Time will tell if he is a brilliant manager, but don't forget one major factor here.

He has very little money, all has changed at Boro so i would suggest we all recognise what a tough task he has compared to the past managers we have had spending millions on just one player only

Marc_Feld Posted on 27/03/2010 19:48
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Compared to Gareth Southgate he's the greatest manager of all time.
We would have been in exactly the same position come 31st Dec if Southgate had still been in charge. He has laid more foundations for the future in three months than Southgate laid in three years spending a lot less cash.

Sean St Ledger or Stephen McManus?
Marcus Bent or Killen?
Caleb Folan or Scott McDonald?

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 19:49
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Smog, come back when you've understood my posts.

Gill - absolutely right. I was using his exit as evidence of a change in squad that makes the comparison between the opening 13 games and the games during Strachan's reign pointless.

Even I accept his most productive period was in the opening 10 games or so. I still feel that Johnson's influence was overstated.

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 19:56
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Marc_Feld Posted on 27/03/2010 19:48
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''Compared to Gareth Southgate he's the greatest manager of all time.
We would have been in exactly the same position come 31st Dec if Southgate had still been in charge. He has laid more foundations for the future in three months than Southgate laid in three years spending a lot less cash.

Sean St Ledger or Stephen McManus?
Marcus Bent or Killen?
Caleb Folan or Scott McDonald?''


Okay, you could say.

Lee Miller or Lita?

And to prove we would be in the same position under Southagte is ludacris!!

No one will know where we would have been. But i am guessing we would have been beaten sides like Plymouth, Blackpool, bristol city at home.

Marc_Feld Posted on 27/03/2010 20:06
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Why is it ludacris(sic)?

The squad was paper thin, any more than half a dozen injuries and we're on the bones of our @rse.
We couldn't even put together a run of form at home. The early season success was built on our away form, and if you were hoping we were going to carry it on throughout the season well you're misinformed.
Slowly we're becoming a tough to beat side. Not the bunch of lackluster fannies they were before xmas. There's even a small element of bouncebackability now. Going one nil down isn't the end of the world anymore.

Give Strachan a bit of credit FFS

smog_mfc Posted on 27/03/2010 20:08
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Give him a bit of credit?

Drawing Watford away who have lost 5 out of there last 6 games is a good result?

We should be beating teams like this.

Don't know how people can be pleased with this result. FFS

Old_Gregg Posted on 27/03/2010 20:09
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Credit for what exactly Marc? Turning a top Championship side into an average mid table side in 5 months?

woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 20:13
You all think Strachan will get it right?

A lot of these negative ignorant or niave comments are borne from frustrated fans who expected the foam hand days to continue forever.

We have to accept what has happened over the last three years at MFC, realise and understand what the rescue plan is for MFC to survive and bounce back.
Strachan is the start of the road back to better times

Marc_Feld Posted on 27/03/2010 20:24
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I didn't say I was pleased with the result.

But I can see where improvements have been made.
If you're satisfied with the standard of effort and commitment the players were showing in the first three or four months of the season well that's up to yourself.
Johnson was a million miles away from playing for the shirt and IMO they were shop window performances. He knew he was going eventually because we needed the fee now rather than see him go for nothing.
Robson has shown more fight for the shirt in the short space of time he has been here than 90% of the squad that were here at the start of the season.

Manking after four months is just a little impatient don't you think.
If you want instant success, try following Man Utd or Chelsea.

Marc_Feld Posted on 27/03/2010 20:25
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woodymfc - 100% correct

Old_Gregg Posted on 27/03/2010 20:29
You all think Strachan will get it right?

And the award for most arrogant and condescending post of the night goes to woodymfc. Congratulations.

Marc_Feld Posted on 27/03/2010 20:31
You all think Strachan will get it right?

No, he's right.
Some on here think we have a God given right to get promoted straight away smashing every team out of sight simply because they think we're too good for the Championship.


woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 20:33
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I'm sure we have no joy in being smug about fully understanding what is going on at MFC.
It's a business folks which shot itself in the foot and created so much self imposed financial stress, to our benefit we have the best guy in the land to prove himself once more, ride the current roller coaster and give it time for us to recover with a new stratergy and we will be back just like before.

Erimus (we shall be)

woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 20:37
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Cheers Greg .......shakes head

Have you ever ran a business Greg ?

joebonano Posted on 27/03/2010 20:38
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it really XXXXXXes me off to read "we should be beating".
We have no god given right to beat anybody.If you check the table their home record is as good as ours.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 27/03/2010 20:40
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I think it's difficult to say that this current side is better than the one Southgate left.

At the start of the season we were playing some good open football with the same frailties as the previous season (no leadership, lack of fight when behind etc).

Strachan has given us battling qualities but at what expense? The technical ability in the side is poor and the style of football is worse, in my opinion.

The squad was thin but if promotion this season was the aim (and Gibson openly stated that it was) it needed adding to not completely revamping. It was such a predictable reaction that Strachan would come in and want to make a statement but I think a couple of signings could - and really should - have had us comfortably in the playoffs.

Of course he needs and deserves time but I struggle to see where many posters' unerring faith he'll be success comes from. How he is building for the future when of the squad he's assembling very very few would be of the standard needed in the premiership?

Gillandi Posted on 27/03/2010 20:46
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Stabillo - I think it's more stubborn pride and hopeful punts than unerring faith on the part of the Strachanovites. [:P]

Hercules Posted on 27/03/2010 20:48
You all think Strachan will get it right?

What would constitute 'getting it right'?

I assume you mean promotion.

I think he will get us promoted in the next couple of seasons but I doubt we'll have the finances available to stay up.

joebonano Posted on 27/03/2010 20:48
You all think Strachan will get it right?

stabilo-god a rational post-youll find yourself barred for typing something sensible

Old_Gregg Posted on 27/03/2010 20:52
You all think Strachan will get it right?

No Woody, I've never ran a business. However, if I did, and I sacked my manager for performing badly, I wouldn't be too impressed if the new manager performed significantly worse than the previous incumbent. And like it or not, Strachan has been significantly worse than Southgate, who wasn't a great manager to start with.

woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 20:52
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Exactly right about finances [^] atleast we are not in the shoes of Leeds Utd who might just blow up and tumble out of contention for promotion

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 27/03/2010 20:55
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I don't think there can be many rubbing their hands at what the new bloke's achieved. How many are looking at the full picture though?

We've got a dreadful squad of players. Our results since Huth and Tuncay went the journey have been poor, but that reflects the lack of quality in the team.

I don't know whether this bloke will be a success at the Boro. He's had a slow start but it wasn't to be unexpected.

We're higher now than I thought we'd be before the season started. I expected us to finish just below half way. If we're serious play off contenders next season he'll have improved the side.

If Mcmanus comes here in the summer we've got a good bloke to build up from. We have Robson now and Macdonald up front is a decent player, but there's still a hell of a lot of work to be done in the summer.

I actually think Mcmanus will go to a better team in the summer. Hope I'm wrong.


Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 20:58
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I disagree with Stabilo. I think there needed to be fundamental and far reaching changes at the club and I absolutely believe that Strachan has identified and continues to try to deal with our obvious deficiencies.

The Southgate model was unsustainable and, in my opinion, it always required a lot more than just a couple of signings.

It is telling, in the extreme, that our player of the season is likely to be Barry Robson. Our best players continue to be signings that Strachan has made. He has a long history of succeeding at clubs with a limited budget. I believe he will do the same here.

woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 21:03
WE ARE SKINT !!!!!

No Woody, I've never ran a business. However, if I did, and I sacked my manager for performing badly, I wouldn't be too impressed if the new manager performed significantly worse than the previous incumbent. And like it or not, Strachan has been significantly worse than Southgate, who wasn't a great manager to start with.

OK, that's you opinion, short and simple, if you compare the two tenures of Mr Southgate v Mr Strachan their are one or two significant differences which have been spelt out a thousand times on here for all to consider/digest
1, Southgate had millions to spend, got us relegated and not showing promise (Gibson XXXXXXed up!)
2, Strachan has been here four months with very little money to spend because (Gibson XXXXXXed up with Southgate)

Summary........We have an experienced Manager on board today to pull this club out of the clart and rescue Gibson's XXXXXX up!!!
When Gordon does that which i'm sure he will, i hope he gets a few bob to spend on some better players than we currently have remaining at the club.
Also, We must get McManus on board for the ride


Old_Gregg Posted on 27/03/2010 21:05
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"Our best players continue to be signings Strachan has made" - simply not true. Our best player today, just like on Tuesday, was Lita. A Southgate signing.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 27/03/2010 21:07
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Better than Mcmanus?


woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 21:08
You all think Strachan will get it right?

LOL Greg, now I understand [:o)]

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 21:08
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Lita really wasn't our best player at all but in any event, over the season who would be your picks for best player?

woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 21:09
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Robson by a country mile....
To be fair Greg, Lita has enormous potential, just wish he would knuckle down and deliver in every game like the majority Strachans boys do

Gillandi Posted on 27/03/2010 21:36
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Strachan makes us a worse side by signing 5 and trying 10 on loan and we're supposed to take comfort from the fact that one of this tidal wave of incomings is now our best player?

Excuse me if I dont get the bunting out [:D]

GGGG Posted on 27/03/2010 21:41
You all think Strachan will get it right?

On the plus side i predicted 4 draws today and won 110 of a quid bet [:D]

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 21:46
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Well Gill, whether we are a worse side is a matter of opinion and not something I agree with.

In addition, the 10 (slight exaggeration!!) on loan were brought in because he was outside of a transfer window and we needed bodies because of what Southgate had left us.

Finally, Robson would be one of a number of candidates for our best player, most of Strachan's other signings all have claims to that too.

We are a better side now that he has had the chance to change the squad. We will continue to progress under his charge and we will get promoted. On that basis, feel free to get the bunting out.


intheblood Posted on 27/03/2010 21:54
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Allied, are you a geordie?


Bren_MFC Posted on 27/03/2010 22:02
You all think Strachan will get it right?

now a side devoid of quality, Strachan given a lifeline to sit out his last contract comfortably, whether he has to manage or get an early pay off, another long deal from Gibson....

Old_Gregg Posted on 27/03/2010 22:03
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Did you go to the game today Adi? Lita was clearly our best player. The only other player who performed IMO was Wheater. McManus was unusually poor for me.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 27/03/2010 22:07
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Adi, I think it really depends what the objectives were. If it was a change for the long term then why not do it in the summer? Our problems cant have suddenly become apparent to Gibson over the first 10 games of this season. He publically stated (and we have to assume believed) that promotion was very possible this season. To that end, it seems undeniable that either Strachan has failed or Gibson has severely misjudged our predicament. Either scenario is worrying.

I agree with Robson. Very good signing. But the jury is out on Killen, Miller, Flood, McDonald. Are they really any better than those they were brought in to replace? Form under Southgate had dipped but he was obviously also expecting to strengthen in the transfer window (though I accept his record in this area would seriously question how good any additions would have been!)

I know this is going to be a lengthy operation but I think it's reasonable to expect that we would have seen more signs of improvement than we have.



allied_assault Posted on 27/03/2010 22:16
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"Allied, are you a geordie?!

If Carter's Bequest is in Newcastle then yes,
I am a geordie.[rle]

Look - we all have our opinions and mine is this - Roberto di Matteo would have us higher in the league than Strachan.

Strachan has been underwhelming to say the least and I disagree that we have one of the weakest squads in the division.

A good manager would have got us in the playoffs comfortably.

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/03/2010 22:25
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I think that's overly dramatic to be honest. I think it boils down to this. He didn't feel Southgate was going to get us up. He didn't feel he was the right man for the job. Many of us agreed with him. On that basis, he will have felt that Strachan was the best bet for promotion. It is impossible to say whether that was correct or not because we will never know how Southgate would have got on.

If you're trying to say that Southgate should have gone at the end of last season then I 100% agree with you. I can't agree though that Strachan has 'failed'. I always felt promotion this season was a long shot. I predicted play offs and we'll just fall short of that.

I wouldn't say that the jury is out on those other signings either. I think Flood and Killen have been an absolute success and I see a very, very good player in McDonald.

It seems that some of us have seen real signs of progress and some haven't. That's a subjective opinion. The reality is that this summer will determine our fate.

woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 22:29
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Correct Adi and let's hope we have a decent squad (best can be ?) and unite the fans with the club once again

intheblood Posted on 27/03/2010 22:32
You all think Strachan will get it right?

If you disagree we have one of the weakest squads in the division, I suggest you haven,t had too good a look.
Not only are we weak in numbers but we are weak where it matters much more,too many of the players we have are weak both in mind and body.In other words they lack what is in my opinion the most important thing in the beautiful game, BOTTLE.
Getting back to my "are you a geordie" it is their style to get rid of anyone who doesn,t start winning from the "off".
It has been proved time and time again that changing managers every couple of months just does not work and the geordies are a prime example of that.
I know what,s coming now.

woodymfc Posted on 27/03/2010 22:38
You all think Strachan will get it right?

For all the hundreds of paragraphs written about Strachan's capability, would it not be best to be patient and wait to give a fair judgment next season.
If we are not within sight of promotion come this time next year there is no argument to what we currently have and I'm sure I'm not alone on this plea

intheblood Posted on 27/03/2010 23:06
You all think Strachan will get it right?

My sentiments exactly Woody.
Give the guy a fair crack.

allied_assault Posted on 28/03/2010 00:48
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Yep let's give the guy a fair crack.

We have not won an away game since January.
Even Doncaster with their 'stronger' sqaud have managed that.[rle]

Even with these 'hard as nails' players we have brought in, we still are not winning away games.

boro74 Posted on 28/03/2010 02:03
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"He has a long history of succeeding at clubs with a limited budget."

Are we really on a limited budget? There can't be many clubs in this league that have more money than us.

sasboro1 Posted on 28/03/2010 02:10
You all think Strachan will get it right?

he got is wrong today. should have started lita. but because he wants to sell lita in the summer and signed miller he thinks different. 2 big strikers against to 2 big defenders was the wrong tactics.
so why did he wait 5 minutes into the game to bring lita on instead of at half time. is he just being stubborn and doesnt want people to think he got it wrong?

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 28/03/2010 05:32
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Answer: no

Genghis_Khan Posted on 28/03/2010 07:03
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Who knows? He certaily won't with this squad... Aside from Miller he's proven a good judge of a player. What I do know is... the fans who want him to fail because they never wanted the worst Manager in our history sacked because he's a nice guy should go support Man Utd.

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 07:37
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I'm not saying we are on a limited budget. I was answering the point Gillandi raised in which he believes we will be.

scally Posted on 28/03/2010 07:43
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Agree with Genghis. This squad is pants. Were six points behind Blackpool FFS. [:(!]

bear66 Posted on 28/03/2010 08:25
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"For all the hundreds of paragraphs written about Strachan's capability, would it not be best to be patient and wait to give a fair judgment next season.
If we are not within sight of promotion come this time next year there is no argument to what we currently have and I'm sure I'm not alone on this plea"

I think it was a mistake in timing . . . also he has been tactically naiive for an experienced manager and, apart from Robson, his suspect signings ratio is equal to Southgate . . . but I'm reconciled he's here next season (unless he walks) and he may do something with a full pre-season training and another 6 or so signings. If the club really want promotion then we should be around the top 6 by Christmas . . . . otherwise he isn't doing the business

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 08:27
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Give me an example of his tactical naivity because I have seen just the opposite actually.

Equally, I'm not sure how you can say with a straight face that his suspect signings ratio is in the same vicinity as Southgate's disastrous record.

bear66 Posted on 28/03/2010 08:35
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Thinking that two slow front men 30yds in front of a slow midfield will ever win a game. Timing of substitutions . . . or lack of one as at Barnsley - Emnes with 2 minutes to go versus Reading! Was it just a successful time waste to get a draw or did he believe 2 minutes of Emnes could win a game? Whatever you think of Emnes it should have been 10 minutes minimum or not at all. The worst is his strict regime regarding positioning on the field . . no surprise at all to the opposition. QPR was the last "Southgate style" game and he soon stopped midfielders drifting to other parts of the field where there wasn't an opposition player. And, and, and . .

1 out of 10 (including loans) isn't that good - 2 if you include Naughton . . . who is about equal to Hoyte (one of Southgate's poorer signings) and 3 if MacDonald does come good

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 09:02
You all think Strachan will get it right?

So you're including loans in a very unbalanced criticism? Sorry, can't go along with that. Those loans were brought in because there was no alternative. It is nonsensical to use them against him.

Killen, Flood, Robson - all successes without any question at all. McDonald - clear to see that he's a good player. Miller is a reserve striker and Naughton is a loanee. The lot of them cost about the same as Emnes, a ridiculously bad signing. So I repeat, their respective records in the transfer market just simply aren't comparable.

In terms of tactical naivity, this is going to come across badly, but I think you're talking out of your hat.

You use the fact that he put Emnes on with two minutes to go as evidence of a tactical naivity? Are you kidding?

He explained why he went with the two up front yesterday that he did. He felt that they would get us a foothold in the game and played them and that because of the pitch we needed a physical two up front with the intention of Lita coming on and getting a goal. Hey Presto, it worked - the problem was that we didn't defend a set piece properly. That's not tactica naivity, it's simply a case where you disagreed with his team selection.

If you're arguing that his tactical naivity is evidenced by asking people to play in their positions then I'm sorry I can't go along with that either! How would you propose to surprise the opposition? Stick Brad Jones up front? Every good team has a rigid base with room for some flexibility. We have that. Strachan changes things regularly during the game but the team play with a discipline, a shape and a plan. We are a much better team for it.

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 28/03/2010 10:56
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I agree with Adi_dem. Nothing much further to add that he hasn't added already.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 28/03/2010 10:56
You all think Strachan will get it right?

The thing that worries me more than anything is that we are far worse than we were at the start of the season (when Southgate also had to contend with reshaping the team - and did a better job of it too) despite many changes.

I think (hope) he'll get things right, but some of decision making leaves me more than just a little concerned.

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 11:05
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I disagree completely that we are a worse team now than the beginning of the season. Not at all.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 28/03/2010 11:28
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Opinions aside Adi, the points we picked up tell their own story.

How many decent performances have we seen from this team; 3/4 at most?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/03/2010 11:30
You all think Strachan will get it right?

3 defeats in 14 suggests he will get it rid. We look a stronger unit but not a polished unit. The summer is his chance to get in some strikers and wide men.

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 11:38
You all think Strachan will get it right?

They don't tell the story in my view. Our results have improved dramatically since Strachan brought his own players in and I have seen a lot of good performances under Strachan, never mind just decent.

We've had our best sequence of results of the season under Strachan. We've got more points out of games in which we've gone behind under Strachan. Our abysmal home record has improved dramatically. We hadn't won back to back home games since November 2006!

r00fie Posted on 28/03/2010 11:41
You all think Strachan will get it right?

2006?! Bloody hell, thats nowt to be proud of[sad] I thought it was sooner than that.........but im still celebrating macarooneys header against stau......"you couldnt make this up"[:D][:X][:X][^]

sasboro1 Posted on 28/03/2010 11:49
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"Our results have improved dramatically since Strachan brought his own players in and I have seen a lot of good performances under Strachan, never mind just decent."

1 win in last 6 games...mmm...[rle]

now look at reading since end of january 8 wins out of 11 now thats improvement[^] in that time the new manager has taken them from bottom 3 to edge of play offs.

Peachy Posted on 28/03/2010 11:54
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I really worry about some posters on here - I am not going to even begin to judge the wee fella until christmas. By then we will have just about completed the MAJOR surgery which was needed at the club. I've been beating on about the transitional phase all season and yet it still seems that some just cannot accept it. No point in going over old ground woody and adi & others have said it all.

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 12:10
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Sas, I'm still waiting for your answer to a post from last week. When I pointed to the 6 game run after Strachan made his signings, which was our best run of the season, you made it very clear that 6 games wasn't representative and that you shouldn't rely on such a short run of games.

Why does that not apply when you want to use it as evidence in support of a negative opinion?

I'm all ears.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 28/03/2010 14:46
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Adi, I admire your optimism and in some respects I agree, but ultimately the only thing that counts is results and there hasn't been enough good ones under WGS, not by a long way.

From his perspective though he can argue, probably quite rightly, that there has been a massive turnover in players, but even despite this results could and should have been much better.

Space_Face Posted on 28/03/2010 14:56
You all think Strachan will get it right?

He hasn't improved us - yet. The results have been very disappointing and decisions like yesterday leaving Lita out for Miller make you wonder about his judgement. But we have to wait until he's had a summer of rebuilding and a pre-season to judge him fairly.

The signs are there about what he is trying to do and the additions of Robson, McManus, Naughton (and maybe Mcdonald when he's fit) suggest he'll be a far better operator in the transfer market than Southgate was.

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 15:03
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"1 win in last 6 games...mmm..."

DOn't be so selective Sas, it makes you look biased.

Use the natural divide of the opening of the transfer window:

8 points in 10 games before
22 points in 15 games after.
It's a big improvement.

Not big enough you might argue, but when WGS stops improving results, that is th time to criticise.

br14 Posted on 28/03/2010 15:36
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"We've had our best sequence of results of the season under Strachan"

Sadly not true.

I've broken the season into four parts to date:

1. The Huth and Tuncay games
Average points per game: 2.50

2. Southgate without Huth and Tuncay
Average points per game: 1.44

3. Strachan pre-transfer window (up to end Jan)
Average points per game: 0.88

4. Strachans new look squad
Average points per game: 1.42

So even Southgates weak as dishwater, spineless unmarried fannies, got more points per game than Strachans stick it to them, never give an inch, leaders on the field cloggers. And bear in mind he was dealing with countless injuries. (Even worse than under Strachans regime).

And can you imagine how much better we might have done if the money spent paying off Southgate and bringing in Strachan had been spent on actual playing staff.

I'm not disputing that Strachan could be a decent manager. But at this point he's no better than Southgate in pure statistical terms (He seems to actually have less tactical sense but clearly better motivational skills).

As for "rebuilding". Plenty of managers make a difference with the squads they inherit. Strachan is one of the few that had no honeymoon period at all.

His appointment was a mistake on pure financial terms. We could have made better use of the clubs limited resources. Even though I'll grant he's much better at bargain basement buying.


FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 15:42
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"4. Strachans new look squad
Average points per game: 1.42"



Being really petty br14, Strahcan has got 1.46 pts per game since January: fractionally more than GS (and you are right not to include the first 4 games). However, I accept your point.

For me, no manager is resposible for the squad he inherits. I don't really blame him for the performance between his appointment and January. WGS has improved performance since January. If he doesn't make another significant improvement in August, he's due some criticism. Until he stops improving results, I'm behind him.

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 15:51
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Afternoon all, well it's Crystal palace up next and hoping we have a fit McDonald on the park and we get a look at this new lad Oshea, surely Franks got a rough deal yesterday he should have been on long before he entered the game

br14 Posted on 28/03/2010 15:52
You all think Strachan will get it right?

My point is simple enough FrozenHorse.

There's a lot of bilge spouted on here about heart and fight, but the truth is it doesn't get you anymore points if you can't pass a ball or you're always out of position.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted Southgate gone. But I'd have liked us to have brought in someone to give a lift to the team, not bury them.

Right now I think we'd have been better off sticking with Southgate, and replacing him in the summer.

It's old news, but for me the mistake was in the timing. He should have gone last summer or not at all.

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 15:54
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Hi Woody,
If McDonald ain't fit, I think Lita has to come in for Miller. 2 goals from the bench in 3 games & a good performance against Preston.

I've not rated him all season, but all anyone has to do to change my mind is keep playing well....

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 15:55
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Same old chestnut BR14, we have what we have today

sasboro1 Posted on 28/03/2010 16:01
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"DOn't be so selective Sas, it makes you look biased."

yet people are only couting games since end of january. so why cant i just count 6 games too?
look at reading how he has turned it round with the same group of players.

Statistically we havent improved signinficantly enough.

what excuses will we have next season when we arent in teh top 6?

P27 W7 D9 L11

thats barely staying up form

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 16:02
You all think Strachan will get it right?

How do FH,

Maybe STRACHAN is getting it right with some of our players as Lita has improved over the last few weeks which is refreshing

It will be my first game on Saturday since watching us get mugged off Leicester, I think that game alone told me what this season would be all about

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 16:03
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"yet people are only couting games since end of january. so why cant i just count 6 games too?"

Becasue, as I said, a manager can't really be held responsible for he squad he inherits. The transfer window is an onjective divide, not an arbitary one picked to suit my argument.

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 16:07
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Sas, we have no excuses next season

If we are in this same position next season or worse I'm sure we all/majority will be sat on the same fence waiting for the axe to fall

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 16:10
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Agreed Woody; if WGS hasn't further improved results in the first few months of next season, criticism of him will be legitimate

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 16:19
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Personally I like Strachan's approach and in view of what we have as a War chest for future transfer dealings I think he is unlucky with it being somewhat drained, all the same he is a good wheeler dealer and that is one big reason why he is here i suppose as he walked three championships in the same position with Celtic, It's quite exciting in some ways to wonder what rabbits he will pull out of the hat before we kick off next season

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 16:25
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"It's quite exciting in some ways to wonder what rabbits he will pull out of the hat before we kick off next season "


Well in recent seasons the likes of Snodgrass and Dorrens have been plucked from Scottish obscurity in return for peanuts. We'd love to have either of them; there must be one or two other unknown bargains floating around the scottish leagues ?

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 16:31
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Sas, you can use whichever set of games you like. What you can't do is criticise someone for using a 6 game run (which incidentally br14 is the run I was referring to as 6 games is generally used as the barometer for 'form') and then use a later 6 game run just because it suits your viewpoint to do so.

br14 - the biggest factor in my support for Southgate's removal was the fear of him being in control of another transfer window. I dread to think what sort of mess he'd have got us into. His transfer record was dreadful and I wouldn't have trusted him with a single penny more.

Your average points are slightly inaccurate, they're let down by the limited number of games in some of the parts and, importantly, Strachan's post January average was achieved without Johnson.

FrozenHorse - that's why he is here. He has an uncanny ability to bring obscure players in that turn out to be top class.

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 16:35
You all think Strachan will get it right?

He's done wonders so far, Robson is by far our best player as soon as he got on the pitch.
McManus is what we needed and hope we can keep him ?
Killen leads the line well
Flood is a battler but unlucky with his injury
Naughton is promissing
McDonald looks the part but needs to get fit
Miller, Killens back up I suppose

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woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 16:51
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Adi, did you sort my DVD fella [^]

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 16:53
You all think Strachan will get it right?

Not yet I've been away and I'm not back home until a week tomorrow. I have your email though and will get it out to you then.

allied_assault Posted on 28/03/2010 16:57
You all think Strachan will get it right?

'He's done wonders so far'

Errrrr woody, results would suggest otherwise.

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 17:03
You all think Strachan will get it right?

He does'nt play on the pitch Allied, wish he did [^]
Have a heart and be patient until it all clicks together

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 17:16
You all think Strachan will get it right?

OK Cheers

Allied, who was the last Manager to have us 9 games unbeaten at home ?
I'm not being smart, i don't know myself

gerry_mander Posted on 28/03/2010 18:00
You all think Strachan will get it right?

strachan hasnt got a hope in hell at Middlesbrough, its the manager who follows him that you will have to worry about.

just go and ask celtic what state he left them in, go and ask coventry what squad he left behind, southamptons demise started with the abandenment by strachan.

you boro fans get what you deserve, if barcelona played at the riverside you wouldnt fill it and those wo did turn up would complain that Messi was ball greedy, didnt track back and tackle enough and wasnt a team player, the greasy argie midget you shower would be calling him.

your welcome to strachan.

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 18:03
You all think Strachan will get it right?

"southamptons demise started with the abandenment by strachan"

That isn't exactly an indictment of his management is it? Saying things got worse when he left?

As for Coventry, he built a very entertaining and relatively sucessful side there.

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 18:06
You all think Strachan will get it right?

mander [:D]

bad punt on the manager but so true about our fans [:I]

drifters Posted on 28/03/2010 18:31
You all think Strachan will get it right?

adi_dem, woody.

You keep mentioning about how bad southgates signings were compared to starchens. Strachen has brought in robson, good solid signing but who is coming to the end of his career and he plays him out of position. Mcmanus in my opinion is the best signing, as he covers wheaters mistakes no end. Then we have the two lads up front, Killen does a job, but he isnt a goalscorer, Miller is sh!te and willo flood gives the most effort ive ever seen from a boro player but how he has made it as a footballer is beyound me.

Southgate made mistakes in the transfer market, but then ask Wenger, Benitez, they have spent big and cocked up.....Francis Jeffers. The way use guys go on is as if every signing was terrible!
Jonathan Woodgate - quality, had Henry in his pocket everytime.
Luke Young
Huth
Digard
and......Mark Yeates, miiiiiiiiiiiles better than flood, franks, arca.

tune in strachen is no better thn southgate. the facts dnt lie!

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 19:52
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Fair point to some degree drifters but a few of your/Southgates guys never kept us in the Premiership which is what is paining us all today and created the situation we have now in being almost skint and a leaving us with a thread bare squad with the clear out of that and future required to balance the books or go bust maybe [xx(]

Woodgate was a great asset, but sold on by Gibson/Southgate which has turned out to be shrewd move in the end if you look at the lad today struggling for a future at spurs with his injuries.
Young was scattered for profit and who brought in Hoyte ?
Huth was never going to play in the CCC, Tuncay too
Digard was a bad investment, Mido too and we still have to off load the risks as they are on crazy sums of money that will cripple the club when/if they return on the pay roll
Mark Yeates I can't form an opinion on as I never had the opportunity to see him perform, all the same I think you are a bit harsh on Flood and Franks, with the latter being a young lad drafted in from the reserves albeit to play his game on the wrong side of the pitch. Julio Arca is another one of Southgates brainwaves who gets his game in front of Franks for some reason ?
I think what a lot of fans can't grasp is that today we have a very different financial stratergy at Boro with Gibson being very tight on the purse strings and Strachan stating in public on the radio that, that is exactly how it is and will be for the foreseeable future. With all of that accepted we have to move on with imo a very skillful Manager who has to navigate this ship through these murky waters until we get a balanced promotion chasing squad which hopefully happens close season and bring us all back to be a unified squad of fans.

I don't envy the task Strachan has, it's a tough job to take on under the circumstances and in a period that have not been seen since we had the last threat of going under.... It's a shame this fella did not arrive close season prior, but that is going backwards which solves nothing at all does it ? (been there, done that........)

I think you left out a fair few posters drifter in your question IE FrozenHorse, Corcaigh, Peachy Etc...die hard, positive and level headed fans imo


Cmon Boro [^]

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 19:57
You all think Strachan will get it right?

I'll answer each point in turn:

1. Robson hasn't been played out of position once. He has played centrally, left or right throughout his career and has done an excellent job in any of the three positions. He isn't a solid signing, he's an excellent signing.

2. McManus - agreed. Top player but only on loan.

3. Killen - has been excellent and a lot better than expected. Starting to get goals now and I guess he is our top scorer over the last few months.

4. Miller - back up to Killen and should be judged rather than pre-judged. Most have decided before he kicks a ball that he's rubbish. He isn't and has done OK when he's been on.

5. Flood - another good signing. Was playing very well before his injury. It's beyond you as to how he made it as a footballer - enough said.

6. Southgate's signings were awful. Truly awful, almost without exception. Huth was set up and agreed by McClaren. Let's not give Southgate credit for that. Woody and Young I'll give you. However, to suggest that Digard or Yeates were good signings is laughable in the extreme. His signings were awful and to argue otherwise is a joke.

I'm very tuned in. The 'facts' aren't 'facts' at all, they're your opinion, to which you're entitled of course, but with which I will never, ever agree.

Strachan is light years ahead of Gareth. Just watch next season.

smog_mfc Posted on 28/03/2010 20:03
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''4. Miller - back up to Killen and should be judged rather than pre-judged. Most have decided before he kicks a ball that he's rubbish. He isn't and has done OK when he's been on.''

He's done OK?

What?

He's been awful, doesnt score, doesnt create chances, doesnt hold the ball up, does not lead the line, does not link play up.

What on earth does he do for you to warrant him being 'OK'

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 20:04
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Well, he links up play, leads the line and holds the ball up.

Worked out what I was saying yet by the way?

smog_mfc Posted on 28/03/2010 20:06
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He doesnt do any of the 3 things you've just said.

What games have you been watching?

allied_assault Posted on 28/03/2010 20:11
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Adi - I respect your posts but Miller didn't link up play yesterday - in fact, you could drive a bus between the two forwards yesterday according to Higgy.

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 20:17
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I don't really think we can judge Miller until he plays with someone other than Killen. Neither of them benefit from playing with the other as they're just too similar.

That said, Miller has looked the weakest of WGS's signings so far. We might have had better balance in the squad keeping Yeates and not signing Miller.

The other 6, however, have done well and if a manager gets results from 6 out of 7 transfer deals, he's doing well.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 28/03/2010 20:31
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"Most have decided before he kicks a ball that he's rubbish"

Thats rich coming from the man who wrote a certain player off after about 65 minutes of a 0-5 reverse.

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/03/2010 21:14
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Hardly rich is it. Judging someone before they've kicked a ball is hardly the same as judging someone that has!!

Space_Face Posted on 28/03/2010 21:30
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Agree with most of what you've said Adi. Not Miller though, he an absolutely awful player. The 'just back-up' thing doesn't work either after yesterday.

Normanby-Loyal Posted on 28/03/2010 21:41
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Credit for what exactly Marc? Turning a top Championship side into an average mid table side in 5 months?

It's not like Southgate took a team that had just been to a UEFA Cup Final spiralling towards the foot of the PL and down without a fight is it???

WGS has got a long way to go clearing up from the gimp whom he has replaced!

redwurzel Posted on 28/03/2010 21:50
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I think a target man is needed in the Championship. If Killen is out Miller is the back up. They shouldn't be played together and Strachan noticed that a bit late, but did swap Miller after 50 minutes at Watford.

Robson is improving with every game I see him.

Strachan is a sound manager and we have him at the best part of his managing career after 13 years experience.

I read a couple of articles in the South East editions of National papers on Saturday quoting Strachan on the need for Keith Lamb to release some cash to enlarge the squad. Some may say this is disloyal, but I would say these are perfect words - its clear Strachan can do a job at this level if he has the resources - Newcastle and WBA are going to finish 1 and 2, but they would have had the 2 biggest budgets. Southgate was too nice and diplomatic in public. If I was Strachen I would be demanding the all the Johnson money not half of it.

FrozenHorse Posted on 28/03/2010 21:55
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"I think a target man is needed in the Championship. If Killen is out Miller is the back up. They shouldn't be played together "

Spot on Red

woodymfc Posted on 28/03/2010 22:47
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They were probably paired together due to Ali and Mac being out injured and Lita unable to do what he does for the full 90 mins

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/03/2010 07:50
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I didn't agree with that decision but he did offer sound reasoning after the game. He explained that in recent away games we've tried a quick striker up front or even two and then tried to play football instead of "playing the pitch". He said that what he wanted to do was have two physical presences up front in the first part of the game so that we could play the pitch and use them as a battering ram. The idea was then to keep it tight and bring Lita on to nick a goal. It worked - apart from our poor defending on a set piece.

Sound logic. Not what I would have done but at least he told us why.

drifters Posted on 29/03/2010 08:10
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i written the last post sort of expecting a bite, so wasnt even going to check if there was a response but im surprised. At least woody csn have a discussion and agree and disagree on points.

Adi-dem, you are very articulate in the way you type on here, giving youyr arguments more strength, i go to every home game and miss 3/4 away games a season, whether its southgate, strachan, yourself or adolf hitler in charge ill be going next season. I dont boo the players (never have) and i dont leave early (never have)i just go and support my team. As i have no bias to any particular player or manager and dont ususaly get involved with the typical Teesside argument over 'my opinion is better than yours' so i give an argument sort of from a distance.

Southagte for me, was the wrong choice. Hes a whiping boy for a number of the fans. I think financialy, we took cutbacks straight after Eindhoven. Mclaren (liked him btw)brought in players to gain short term success for the club and his CV, which nearly worked with the Eindhoven trip. But when your rush success your basially gambling, leaving southgate with players with no sell on value on big wages.....rieziger, parlour, mendieta, hasselbank, ehiogu, so southgate straight away had to cut back.

You have told me to wait till next season, even if we are bottom this time next year, i wont be shouting 'out out out', all im asking is that you dont just argue for WGS because you cant go back on it. I dont know whether you go to the away games, but if you do, then you must agree that the performances and results havent improved. Ill give Strach credit where it is due, we have improved at home, albeit draws. He just doesnt have that little bit extra, bit of bottle or nouse for me to go and win a game

bear66 Posted on 29/03/2010 08:15
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Very articulate and a sensible argument drifter.

drifters Posted on 29/03/2010 08:18
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im not arsed if people start taking the pi$$ for that comment, what i meant was its orite someone posting something about the boro with a spelling mistake or grammar for him to reply 'thts wrong' etc. Just because someone struggles at english doesnt mean they dont know anthing about football. But anyway thankyou.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/03/2010 09:24
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I thought I gave a very reasoned response to the points you raised. There was no hint of me suggesting that I felt my opinion was better than yours or any suggestion of XXXXXX take because of grammar or spelling (if indeed there were any such errors, which I haven't even checked). I don't think I have ever picked someone up for their grammar or spelling on here. Sorry but you're being extremely unfair.

You say that at least woody can have a debate and agree and disagree on points. That, to me, and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, seems to suggest that you only believe someone is debating with you if they can agree with some of the points you have made.

You then imply that I am somehow arguing in favour of Strachan because I can't go back on it. Do you know how condescending and arrogant a statement that is?

I'm sorry but I simply don't agree with you. I don't agree with you about the squad McClaren left, I don't agree with you about the comparable transfer records of Southgate and Strachan, I don't agree with you about there being no improvement away from home (even though for some reason you think I "must"). I don't agree with you not because I can't retreat from a position, I've done that plenty of times, not because I am stubborn, but because I'm a Boro fan with a genuinely held, honest view. That's all it is. My opinion, expressed strongly.

gravyboat Posted on 29/03/2010 09:37
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Some of Strachans signings - Miller in particular - are a little suspect.

But, to date, he hasn't spend 25m on Mido, Alvez, Digard and Emnes.

drifters Posted on 29/03/2010 09:46
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Ive read that post and tok your points on board, so you say you dont agree we havent improved away from home, how? You cant give a statistacal answer as we were statisticaly better away from home than we are now. So you reasioning is going to be on opinion, so how have we improved away from home, please explain...

As for me thinking that about woody. - Maybe i explained my self wrong, what i mean is your patronising and look down at the othe posters. You dont have to agree with me, im not on here to make friends, claim to be boro's biggest fan or whatever, but when someone makes a point, which you either afgree or disagree on, you dont have to argue back like a boy in the playground arguing over who is better messi or ronaldo.


Adi_Dem Posted on 29/03/2010 09:52
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Point me to one post in which I've done that. I don't patronise and I don't look down my nose at anyone. Except the Dude, who deserves everything he gets. I argue back if I disagree because that's what this forum is for, isn't it? If I disagree with someone I respond and explain why I disagree. The very thing that this forum is designed for.

You have already said that you posted what you did searching for a 'bite'. You posted that I was putting forward arguments simply because I couldn't retreat from my entrenched position on Strachan. You said that I criticised people for spelling and grammar. Forgive me if I see that as a touch childish.

Ilsan_Boro Posted on 29/03/2010 10:02
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"I think it's difficult to say that this current side is better than the one Southgate left.

At the start of the season we were playing some good open football with the same frailties as the previous season (no leadership, lack of fight when behind etc).

Strachan has given us battling qualities but at what expense? The technical ability in the side is poor and the style of football is worse, in my opinion.

The squad was thin but if promotion this season was the aim (and Gibson openly stated that it was) it needed adding to not completely revamping. It was such a predictable reaction that Strachan would come in and want to make a statement but I think a couple of signings could - and really should - have had us comfortably in the playoffs."

Totally agree with what stabilo boss said above. Strachan does indeed need and deserve more time, but I've always been (or tried to be) a real optimist, yet, to be quite honest, I'm struggling to keep that up at the moment.

Just one other thing on transfer records of Southgate and Strachan. For the time being at least, it's rubbish to compare their records in the transfer market. Fair comparisons are made by comparing like with like, and as yet that just isn't possible.

Strachan has had one mid season transfer window in the championship, Southgate never had that. Southgate had several in the Premier League for us, but Strachan hasn't had any yet for us at that level. If he gets us promoted and is with us when we're in the Premier League again, we'll then be able to see how well or badly he handles transfers at the same level that Southgate was working at. I'd expect him, with his experience, to do better. A manager with well over a decade's experience damn well should do much better than a complete rookie in his first job. But are we ever going to get the chance to judge?

bear66 Posted on 29/03/2010 10:08
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Southgate gets hammered for the money he's wasted . . . but it's the club that has negotiated the price and big league, big spending Boro seem to have been taken to the cleaners. It's fair to question the quality but not the money. I'd rather have a moody, inconsistent Alves for 500k than Miller . . . .

drifters Posted on 29/03/2010 10:11
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agree with bear66 and the post above it.

Adi - you still havent explained how we are better away..

sasboro1 Posted on 29/03/2010 10:15
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i bet when we have an average start next season. people on here wil be saying he needs 2 full seasons to build his own team as it was a summer of rebuild. our away form is shocking 1 win in 10. the style of football will not bring the fans back. i think strachan wont be here in 12 months time.

he has under achieved massively and trying his best to remove any natural creativity from our squad.

probably our best players will be sold in the summer and he will spread the money out to bring in average squad players.

Libbins Posted on 29/03/2010 10:17
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Gareth Southgate is the worst manager this football club as ever had.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/03/2010 10:17
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I said that I disagreed that there hadn't been any improvements away from home. For me we haven't got the results we've deserved away from home and our performances have steadily improved. Clearly, if results were the only barometer then we haven't improved and in fact have got worse. That's not my view though. First comes performance and then results will follow. As I've said, it's just my opinion.

I think we are a more compact unit away from home now, we pass it a lot better and have a grit and steel that has been lacking.

As I've already said, I only ever give my honest view, if you've got a problem with that then it really is your problem.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/03/2010 10:25
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You'd lose that bet then sas. I don't understand why there is this view that certain of us are defending Strachan out of some stubborn refusal to admit that we're wrong. It really is pathetic. If Strachan doesn't get us promoted next season then he has failed. Simple as that.

Oh, and while I'm on, of course it would be preferable to have Alves for 500K than Miller. I'm not sure what the point being made there is at all.

bear66 Posted on 29/03/2010 10:32
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The point was simple : managers choose players, the club negotiates the price it can afford and wants to pay for them. I'd rather have Alves (who I didn't rate) to Miller who I rate much less.

Perhaps we could do a swap deal : Miller for Alves as they're probably in the same price ball-park now

allied_assault Posted on 29/03/2010 10:40
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He has failed this season.

The minimum we should have expected was the play-offs comfortably, especially given the posistion we were in at the time he took over.

Again and I keep saying it, this facination for players from the Scottish league has not done us any favours and a manager such as Di Matteo or McDermott from Reading (even Holloway) would have done much much better.

Strachan said that he makes players better ,well for one Rhys Williams looked a world beater at the start of the season and did wonders at Burnley - look at him now.

In fact how many of our existing squad have improved under Strachan?

Hoyte maybe.

sasboro1 Posted on 29/03/2010 10:46
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his brand of football is very dull, thats why crowds will fall so much next season. in the summer he has to go out and get some genuine pace and creativity back in the team. you can cope with poor football if you are up near the top but not when you are mid table. watford was another poor game, especially in the first half. it was only when he admitted he got his team wrong and brough on lita that we looked more of a threat

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/03/2010 10:55
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I don't find it dull at all sas. That's a pre-conception in my view. Crowds will fall and rise as a direct consequence of results, nothing else matters.

bear - it isn't as simple as that. The manager understands the budget and understands its limitations. It's true he doesn't negotiate deals but it is equally true that he is aware of how much the club can afford and how signing a particular player will affect that budget. Southgate knew what Alves was going to cost and went ahead with it. That proved to be a mistake. However, as I've said before, I can't criticise him for it. I was happy that we signed Alves and I still maintain that there was a good player in there somewhere. The bigger mistake was what he did with the midfield a few months later.

sasboro1 Posted on 29/03/2010 10:57
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you can count the good games on one hand this season. its not been good football and it is something he has to sort out in the summer if he wants the fans on his side. fans are goign to vote with their feet in the summer so the entertainment has to improve to entice people back. so many people are just so fed up with poor quality entertainment

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/03/2010 10:59
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As I've said I don't agree. Equally I don't agree about what it will take to get fans back. Good results, whatever the football, is the only way to get the fans back.

Marc_Feld Posted on 29/03/2010 11:10
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Adi - you're simply wasting you're time trying to make some see any sort of tiny reasoning.
They clearly expected instant success, and because it hasn't arrived within half a season they've deemed him a failure and want Strachan to leave.
The Chicken-Run mentality is rife within our fans.

woodymfc Posted on 29/03/2010 14:47
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Afternoon all [:D] Eeeeeeee gad the frustrations of it all eh........
This season has been a mad one indeed and we know why that ahs been so, I really don't think it's fair at all to slate or make comparisons with either of our Managers, we all know this mess came around because of errors made at the very top and it's sad to see us all frustrated and devided throwing rocks at each other. Sas I would be surprised if any current poster on here would be quoting "let's give it another season" same time next year, I know I won't be and many others too. Until that time comes around I hope we are well on our way to the PL. If the club want to win the fans support back and acheive the above, then they will have no choice but to back Strachan up in close season with some decent sort of transfer funding to give the guy a fair chance to get us out of this league or we will be stuck in it for quite some time [xx(]

Adi, calm down son !!!