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MightyDuck Posted on 25/03/2010 11:33
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i've got an idea for you.

instead of whinging about stewards telling you off and not being able to get tickets for certain games, why dont you all move back to the north stand. i'm sure blocks 20-30 have plenty of seats available

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 25/03/2010 11:35
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how long till the club just ban ticket sales there? plus theyll be plenty of current season ticket holders in that area who dont want us there so we'd be back at square one

MightyDuck Posted on 25/03/2010 11:42
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they wont ban ticket sales in the north stand.

i think the clubs problem is how close you sit to the away fans. there was some lads half way in the netting at the preston game.

Just move to block 31 (NE corner). its always empty and there are no segregation issues.

Easy solution to all your problems i think

billybob Posted on 25/03/2010 11:43
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An easier solution is to stop attending matches for the foreseeable future. Remember MFC needs you and your money more than you need them.

erimus74 Posted on 25/03/2010 11:48
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RedcarBlock53 stay where you are if possible why should you move to the North Stand, other clubs have singing sections close to the away fans, what is so different about our club.

Infact at times this season they'res only the RF make any attempt to create an atmosphere, keep it up and ignore the bloody moaners[^]

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 25/03/2010 11:49
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the point is its taken 18months to establish ourselves in the SEC so moving to the north stand would be a backward step. were hardly that close to the away fans ive needed binos to see em most games this season

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2010 11:51
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I'd be worried if that was the case anyway; suggests that they don't think that our stewards can take care of big games.

erimus74 Posted on 25/03/2010 11:52
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Why is it when the club announce a flag day and everyone get behind the team make as much noise as possible,drawned out the away fans, only to be told other times YOU can't sing near to the away fans incase you upset em, oh and some of the home fans who want to sit there in peace and quiet.

Stay where you are[^]

MightyDuck Posted on 25/03/2010 11:55
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i'm not criticising. i just think it would be a good idea. a bit of atmosphers in blocks 15-17 and blocks 28-31 and it would spread right across the north stand.

i dont understand why you established yourselves in what was always a 'family area'. the only reason you are there is to give the away fans a bit of grief.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 25/03/2010 11:55
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the clubs only XXXXXXting themselves because theyre cost cutting by having no police games, the distance between the fans was never an issue when we were on the premiership gravytrain

erimus74 Posted on 25/03/2010 11:57
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RedcarBlock53 you're probably right, and add to it some of the fans complaining who sit there.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 25/03/2010 11:58
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were there because lets face it the north stands been on its arse for years. plus we wanted a sparsley poulated area so people could stand with their mates.

FANS NOT HOOLIGANS

GillZean Posted on 25/03/2010 12:03
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Red Faction- keep it up lads, you are doing a great job.

Too many miserable XXXXXXers want to moan about everything and anything. The club are being absolute dicks when they should be going out of their way to encourage what you are trying to achieve.[^][^]

MightyDuck Posted on 25/03/2010 12:05
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'lets face it the north stands been on its arse for years' what a load of rubbish.

you've got a few flags and you think you are some sort of 'ultras'

i thought i had a good idea for you but i hope you stay in the mcdonalds family enclosure.

'fans not hooligans', who thinks you are hooligans? 50 kids with a few flags? scary.

erimus74 Posted on 25/03/2010 12:07
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MightyDuck he is right the 'north stands has been on its arse for years'

50 kids with a few flags,
Against QPR I could only hear the RF, now and again you could hear 'come on Boro'from the NS, and I was sat close to the half way line.

Don't knock the RF for trying to create some atmosphere in a souless ground

MightyDuck Posted on 25/03/2010 12:09
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what does that mean?

the whole club is in decline. i just dont see what a few people moving to the south stand and calling themselves ultras achieves.

they should find a block in the north stand, move there and they wont have any more chew. it just seems they always have something to moan about. stewards this, the clubs said that...

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 25/03/2010 12:10
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Thats your opinion but Id hardly say its just kids in block 53. Were all boro fans aiming for the same thing

GillZean Posted on 25/03/2010 12:13
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MD, You're a miserable XXXXXXer today. Don't you remember when you were a nipper, standing with your mates and having a laugh? That's just what these lads are up to. The ground is like a XXXXXXing morgue about from the lads in the SE corner.
I went to Hannover 96 the other week and they have an Ultras shop and storage area in the ground, and the atmosphere there is a million times better than it is at the Boro (and they are XXXXXX as well, btw)

1finny Posted on 25/03/2010 12:16
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Redcar
I hope this gets resolved.
FFS if it can work with the Geordies next to yer it can work with any away fans.
In short - what you are trying to do is great for the majority.
Let common sense prevail and stay where you are.

MightyDuck Posted on 25/03/2010 12:19
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i'm not trying to condemn them. i just think if they sat in the east end of the north stand, the ground would have a much better atmosphere. i can only think of 1 reason why they sit there, and its for a bit of conflict.

i went to southampton years ago and they had similar group who sat next to the away end. they got loads of chew off the stewards.

1finny Posted on 25/03/2010 12:25
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In the good (?) old days we had the holgate split in 2, by a row of coppers,when S'land came to town.
great atmosphere

Parmo_Tonight Posted on 25/03/2010 12:29
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MD if the "the north stands on it arse" so why move. Whats the guarntee they would of approved of RF? and What if a group of 5-10 lads want to sit next 2 each other?

shaunb86 Posted on 25/03/2010 12:29
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like redcar said earlier we can hardly see the away fans anyway. we moved to that area because it was the least populated in the whole ground and unlike the east or west stand wouldn't have cost the fans more!i do believe in fact that when we first moved there was only 10 season ticket holders in the whole area so i can't agree with your argument about taking over.

a lot of clubs have singing sections near the away fans.

djlocky9999 Posted on 25/03/2010 12:31
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problem with the north is that over the years people have moved there to be near the noise. now that the people who make the noise have gradually gone what we are left with is the people who want to be near the noise but probably won't make noise.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 25/03/2010 12:36
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to be honest most of the banter between the fans last year was light hearted. Arsenal singing 'we pay your benefits' then reply from SEC 'we built your stadium' ect. I can only think of one incident this season and that was just a pair of middle-aged idiots. hopefully in time the north stand and SEC will bounce of each other creating an intimidating atmosphere

The_same_as_before Posted on 25/03/2010 12:42
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If a group of lads and lasses want to shout and ball, stand up and give the opposition some stick, good.

Why don't the nice people in South Stand move to the opposite corner?

It has moved on from not being able to smoke in an un-enclosed area, to this. Football supporters need a reality check.

festas_shin Posted on 25/03/2010 12:50
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keep it up please RF - me and my 9 year old son are no longer season ticket holders, and when we do attend, we ask to sit near them as the atmosphere is great. can't understand what the fuss is about, never seen any trouble there. without them the atmosphere is dead, even the North Stand doesnt make that much noise these days.

Critical_Bill Posted on 25/03/2010 12:54
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Since the formation of both of these groups, he atmosphere and attendances have rapidly declined. That cannot be denied

boro_tyke Posted on 25/03/2010 13:06
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The Riverside ambience has been in decline for far longer than that since Red Faction came into being.

As for the Twe12th Man, their presence in the stadium is neglible. Does anyone know where they actually congregate and contribute at home games?

They say they represent ALL boro fans. I’m afraid through the groups invisibilty, the Twe12th Man are far removed from what I personally wish to be represented by.

glur Posted on 25/03/2010 13:25
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boro_tyke changes the subject to the Twe12th Man, surprise surprise. As you well know the people involved in the Twe12th Man don't congregate in a specific area but as individuals we do contribute at every game, home and away.

Red Faction should be congratulated on their efforts, their presence in the SEC has improved the atmosphere. Why not concentrate on continuing those efforts rather than trying to start another pointless debate.

noshbox Posted on 25/03/2010 14:09
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You are a fool. Twe12th Man are still there, the new banners in the East must be theirs as their logo is on them.One thing i have noticed is that they don't start a fanfare when the do things or kick and scream like kids when they get blocked by the club. And the spiteful posts always come from the RF towards 12th Man not vice versa.

boro_tyke Posted on 25/03/2010 14:14
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Pointless debate?

Any debate about the lack of a credible atmosphere at the Riverside is far from pointless glur.

As a group whose objective it is to ‘add pride, passion and noise to the matches of Middlesbrough FC, home and away, visually & vocally, for the full 90 minutes...’ I find the complete lack of much of the above, much more worrying to the general welfare of the clubs fans than any personal inclinations one way or the other.

A few nice banners aside, just what do the Twe12th man contribute to home games on a regular basis?

MightyDuck Posted on 25/03/2010 14:21
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the 12th man dont argue with stewards every game

lockey Posted on 25/03/2010 15:02
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New songs, constant encouragement, loyal to 1 team, not putting a Scottish team before your own !! i.e travelling to Rangers instead of Boro away games. Remember the ULTRA code that you spout off?

Further more the 12th man will not rubbish fellow Boro fans to further themselves, Neither will they mess with other groups banner!

glur Posted on 25/03/2010 15:07
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The only debate you, as a founder member of Red Faction, are interesting in having concerns the Twe12th Man. There has been plenty of praise on this forum and elsewhere for RF's work - why not revel in that rather than try and create dividing lines with other fans.

I write as someone with involvement with The Twe12th Man and while I can't speak for anyone else I give my all every home game, often attracting strange glances from those around me in the North Stand. So that's what I personally contribute, although I wasn't aware there was any competition. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I wish you every success. I've written articles in FMTTM in support of your drum and at the time of 'Lettergate'.

With the dwindling numbers in the stands and things to shout about on the pitch few and far between surely all fans, whether part of any group/organisation or not, should stick together and support the Club we all love.

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 25/03/2010 15:29
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Nice one Glur, At he end of the day we are all Boro fans.[^]

milf_hunter Posted on 25/03/2010 15:34
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"Further more the 12th man will not rubbish fellow Boro fans to further themselves"

You just have.

NORTH_STAND77 Posted on 25/03/2010 15:49
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I think the efforts of the RF to create an atmosphere in difficult circumstances is to be both acknowledged and applauded. However the thing that concerns me about this group is that they always seem to be looking for a dispute and or setting themselves as above other boro fans.

The trophy virgins sign was clearly a touch of genius that has made many boro fans see the RF in a very good light, but if the RF keep saying they are better than the 12th man/ the north stand/ the club/ sliced bread that support from the fans will be sadly found wanting.

I wish both the RF and 12th man alll the success as a north stand season ticket holder it is good to see any thing that will improve atmosphere. I just think if people start to work as 1 then the boro will achieve much more.

milf_hunter Posted on 25/03/2010 15:57
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I dont think the RF have ever claimed to be better than anybody else, and the looking for a dispute is far from the truth it is more that they are let down by the club and instead of just accepting the clubs decision, they challenge the club.

I think the 12th man do a fantastic job for what they are, a number of them travel home and away and they've added banners to the stadium and should of copyright'd the 'ITS IN THE BLOOD' phrase.

Both are great, both are different.

junouk Posted on 25/03/2010 16:04
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Nice one Glur.

As not part of any "fan Group" I think the efforts made by any section of the crowd should be applauded.

Both keep up the good work, Work together for a few projects and alone on others. What ever gets the best responce from everyone around

If only 10 ST holders were in the SEC when the RF took over then good. You can say as a group you have achieved an increase from the review generated from this corner. No other part of the ground can state this.

What is it 10 to 500. A great start and let it continue.

Boro Fans UNITE Stand together and push the club to a new level. Hopefully back up to where we all want to be. Top of the league next season.

junouk Posted on 25/03/2010 16:10
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FFS dont lets have an arguement. My fan group is better than yours.

Dont ruin the efforts of both groups.




drifters Posted on 25/03/2010 16:44
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how about trying what forrest did when we played them. singing against each other, i.e north stand: 'south east give us a song south east south east give us a song' and vice versa? its good that their is a bit of rivalry as it surely encourages each section to be louder and more inovative than each other, but also working together during the matches?

shaunb86 Posted on 25/03/2010 16:46
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to be fair its not the people in red faction who are saying they are better than the 12thman its other fans. i don't see it as a competition. one group has one way of supporting the team and the other has a different way. both have done good work and should be applauded.

boro_tyke Posted on 25/03/2010 17:30
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‘Further more the 12th man will not rubbish fellow Boro fans to further themselves...’

Clearly you have selective memory Lockey. Where you feel its unacceptable to ‘rubbish’ fellow Boro fans, it seems the 12th man do consider intimidation as acceptable.

I also fail to see how following Glasgow Rangers has any bearing on my own credibility as a Boro fan of 35 years. When you’ve clocked up as many Boro games – on as many grounds – by all means I’ll be happy to entertain your opinion.

It may also be worth noting for future before making an idiot of yourself that I happily shared a cracking day at the League Cup Final at Hampden last weekend with some good friends who are also Twe12th Man supporters. All without any friction whatsoever.

lockey Posted on 25/03/2010 21:50
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Intimidation, What intimidation?

Maybe following them doesnt have any bearing on it, but wearing a Rangers scarf inside the riverside does.

As for following the boro, i would like to think you had been to more grounds than me thats solely down to you been on the planet longer than me nothing else, you know with me only been 19 and you been how old?
Saturday will be my 158th consecutive game, but who's counting?

King_Ricard Posted on 26/03/2010 15:25
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This is a dispute between individuals nothing to do with the 2 groups just individuals.

So please keep it like that and im sure i speak for on behalf of the members of the Twe12th Man as much as i do the members of the Red Faction, stop draging both groups through the mud trying to point score on an internet forum.