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Dibzzz Posted on 17/03/2010 22:06
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I've always voted for them, but the idea of having that dour tw@t Gordon Brown in charge for another 5 year turns my stomach.

Kenneth_Williams Posted on 17/03/2010 22:09
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

i've never voted

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 17/03/2010 22:09
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

So which outstanding personality will you vote for? Cameron or Clegg?

Mavrick Posted on 17/03/2010 22:11
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

id rather vote for a party with little chance of winning rather than the same old big players. I dont trust tory or labour! People who vote labour deserve everything they get if labour get back in!

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 17/03/2010 22:14
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

For the umpteenth election I don't want to particularly vote for any of them. They are all the same, all twisted to varying degrees, all out for themselves.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/03/2010 22:14
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

It's a hard one, it has to be the worst set of candidates in decades, which helps Brown.

I can't stand any of them, I can't vote for labour anymore as I think they've turned into something vile.

Tory, never, equally as rotten.

Libs, pathetic wishy washy.

Might have to go for UKIP, just for a change, as I don't want us to be involved in Europe, unless it's on a football pitch.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 17/03/2010 22:15
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

so if they vote someone else in they don't deserve it?

degsyspesh Posted on 17/03/2010 22:15
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

the nightmare is that the only realistic alternative to a tory or labour government is a hung parliament and that would be about the worst thing that could possibly happen for this country at the moment.

Ayresomes_on_Fire Posted on 17/03/2010 22:17
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

No [V]

Anubis Posted on 17/03/2010 22:21
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I'll vote, but none of the 3 main players will get it this time.

I've always voted labour (apart from 1979 when I voted WRP)

rutters Posted on 17/03/2010 22:22
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Anyone who puts a Feminist in charge of Equality loses my vote[sad]

Mavrick Posted on 17/03/2010 22:25
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Rutters you should have went to the equality and diversity workshop that I had to attend for work. I can only describe it as extreme equality. I was sat there thinking if race, religion, sexuality, background and so on is such an issue why dont they just remove the personal details of the application forms and assess only on merit experience and qualifications allowing the best person to get the job no matter who they are!

BarnesBoroFC Posted on 17/03/2010 22:29
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Perhaps they could do interviews behind a screen and with a voice scrambler as well. [smi]

dodger Posted on 17/03/2010 22:32
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I would rather have my leg sawn off than vote Labour.

As a former activist I witnessed the takeover by thieves , liars careerists who care nothing for us or this area.

Freeloading cockroaches [xx(]

Only_Me Posted on 17/03/2010 23:25
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Absolutely not!
They are nothing but parasites steeped in their own putrefaction.
Thieves, liars and chancers bought and paid for, by anyone that flashes a fiver in front of their faces.
Despicable bunch of clowns.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 17/03/2010 23:38
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I just can't vote for any party which has recently given key positions to such a crop of incompetents, liars, hypocrites and shysters like Margaret Beckett, Michael Martin, Harriet Harman, Jacqui Smith, Yvette Cooper and Fatty Prescott. This is the worst batch of Labour politicians at Westminster ever and they HAVE to go.

I'd like to vote in the Official Monster Raving Loonies; at least politics would be interesting again.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 17/03/2010 23:43
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Stop living in the past FFS. TORIES all the way [^][^][^]

archienoeyes Posted on 17/03/2010 23:49
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

always voted labour will never again ,would notvote tory either or liberal dems waste of time prob ukip for me.I mean lets look at the facts in our area we have had blair ,madelslime,campbell,massive names on the political scene who lets face it what the feck have they done for the tees valley ??? nothing apart from mo mowlam rip we have been shafted totally by labour and anyone who votes for them wants their heads looking at [sad]

enigma17 Posted on 17/03/2010 23:58
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Never have/will vote Labour.

I'll probably go for the local option this year.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 18/03/2010 00:01
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

It's sooo bloody nice to hear people say that they won't vote for labour. Fair play if your not voting Tory like my good self, at least your not going to be the usual mug - I vote labour cos my dad did bullXXXXXX.

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foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 18/03/2010 00:01
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Mo Mowlem is sorely missed; maybe she would have been leading Labour into the next election had she not lost her life. Shame.

comejoiners Posted on 18/03/2010 00:10
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

If Mo was still with us and up for election
i think this thread would have a very different outcome to it

Johnson Posted on 18/03/2010 00:10
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Yep, I'll be voting Labour - I've no massive reason to vote for them any more but much less of a reason to vote for anyone else

Better the devil you know...

dodger Posted on 18/03/2010 00:17
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Where do you live Johnson?

Johnson Posted on 18/03/2010 00:19
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

York. My vote means nothing anyway

dodger Posted on 18/03/2010 00:28
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Apathy rules[^]

Johnson Posted on 18/03/2010 00:32
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Does it? Does it really? Yeah you're probably right [sad]. Sorry, being flippant

Seriously, apathy does rule for me, as does the age old adage 'they're all as bad as each other'. For me personally neither will make a difference to my life, but I like to think Labour will look after the masses better than the Conservatives will. Recent history doesn't prove that; but gut feeling makes we wary of the Conservatives. And as I've said my vote means little just because of where I live

Only_Me Posted on 18/03/2010 00:40
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

@ foggysfplandiet2

You missed Gordon Brown, Ed Balls and J
Jack Straw off that list ( to name but 3 )

Not that anyone has a chance of voting him out but there is also the insufferable mandleslime in the thick of it. [V][:(!]

Sea_Harrier Posted on 18/03/2010 07:02
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I haven't witnessed before the current apathy that surrounds this impending General Election. The assumption, by the majority of the electorate, is that all politicians of whatever party are corrupt, insincere, and only into politics for financial gain and privilege is correct in my opinion. Those current MPs, who believe that they have done nothing wrong when over claiming expenses epitomises their arrogance and disregard for the general public.

I will vote, because I believe it to be right and dutiful, but who will get my vote is the big question. I am still undecided, maybe an Independent, but he/she will be vastly inexperienced and have a huge learning curve to be effective, if ever.

I can guarantee that all the major parties will have as in their election manifesto a piece saying, "We will be more transparent in Government, bring an end to corruption and give the electorate a greater voice in local politics." This has been said over and over again, by successive governments over generations, but we have yet to witness it.

ray192 Posted on 18/03/2010 07:23
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I will be voting LABOUR my MP is "the beast of Bolsover Dennis Skinner" top MP [^][smi]

BarnesBoroFC Posted on 18/03/2010 07:24
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Unfortunately now it appears the voices screaming the loudest are those of the powerful elite of the 'old-money' vanguard against the demagogues of the unions.

redrobin Posted on 18/03/2010 07:56
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'' People who vote labour deserve everything they get if labour get back in!''

No shiit , Really ?

'' I'd rather have my leg sawn off than vote Labour''

Yes of course you would and I've told you ten billion times not to exaggerate.

John67 Posted on 18/03/2010 08:45
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I will be voting Labour. Yes the economy is in a mess but that is mostly been caused by the banks. Remember the Tories want less scrutiny, not more for their mates in the city and they haven't got a clue how to manage a cake stand nevermind a major economy. Camerons only experience of government was as a 'senior' advisor to Lamont durinhg Black Wednesday. Hardly a good reference is it? When I went to school most of my lessons were in a smelly damp and cold pre-fab. Most schools have been completely re-vamped or re-built. The NHS is also massively improved. Under the Tories is was a joke. When I came to London in 1987 it was filthy and falling to bits. Now it is one of the best cities to live in. The current mayor of this city has done nothing, I mean absolutely nothing in two years. Oh sorry he banned drinking on tubes and buses which is completely ignored by the authorities. The Tories/Libdems are currently running Camden, formerly one of the best councils in London, allowing massive cuts in services for what? To keep the council tax at the same level. It's a joke. Some of the rabid tories on here are in for a shock if they expect a Tory government to do anything except benefit themselves. Be careful what you wish for.

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 08:53
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Labour for me.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 18/03/2010 08:55
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

"Some of the rabid tories on here are in for a shock if they expect a Tory government to do anything except benefit themselves."

Is NuLabour different then, and in what way?

John67 Posted on 18/03/2010 08:59
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I agree that there is less between Labour and Tory than there should be but when you look at the things they have critisised Labour for such as the minimum wage etc they have been wrong on every occasion. I would rather vote for a party that gets somethings wrong rather than a party that gets it wrong everytime.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 18/03/2010 09:02
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

There are two main parties nowadays. The Tories in blue and the Tories in red. There is no Labour party as our parents knew it to be.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 18/03/2010 09:36
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Sea_Harrier is pretty much spot on. These days, you can either have Tory or Tory-lite. The rest, (including the Libs since they have next to no chance of winning power), are more or less relying on the protest vote.
The working class and anti-Tory brigade on here ought to vote Socialist Lab, which of course they won't do. As for me, I'll be voting Tory but I'm actually no fan of Cameron.

bear66 Posted on 18/03/2010 09:37
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Just vote Libs if you want a 'socialist' party. They may not win . . . this time . . . . but no vote is a wasted vote

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 10:02
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'Yes the economy is in a mess but that is mostly been caused by the banks'.

The banks aren't responsible for the record government debt. Government spending has got to be affordable, if it brings the country to the brink of bankruptcy then that is just gross incompetence. Gordon Brown has ran a deficit in the government budget every single year for the past 13 years. He has acted like some R’shole relative or friend you haven’t seen for ages, turning up and throwing money around to try and impress people, money that they can’t really afford.

toxic_bob Posted on 18/03/2010 10:07
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Thinking about it but more likely to vote Green. My vote's pointless anyway, living where I do.

John67 Posted on 18/03/2010 10:07
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Of course he ran a deficit. The infrastuctue after the 18 years of Tory government was in a terrible state. The money the Tories saved didn't go to any good causes either it went in tax cuts for the rich.

reckre Posted on 18/03/2010 10:09
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Its the daft chunts who have voted labour and the tories in for the last 15 year that have made the country what it is today.

Neither will be getting my vote.

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 10:12
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'The banks aren't responsible for the record government debt.'

What, apart from the tens of billions of public money invested in them. Oh and the further billions required to pay unemployment benefits to those thrown out of work because of the recession the banks precipitated.

Apart from that I'm sure you're right.

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 10:12
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I paid far less tax under the tories than I do now under Labour. I am not a rich person.

bear66 Posted on 18/03/2010 10:16
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

And your wages are exactly the same? How much tax did you pay under the tories compared with labour?

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 10:27
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

The actual amount of money given to the banks was a relatively low amount of the overall government debt. Most of the bailout amounts to guarantees of bank debt.

Have a look at the link and read this section

‘Excluding Financial sector intervention, public sector debt is £743 billion or (52.7% per cent of GDP)'
‘The PBR (annual government borrowing) forecast for 2009/10 is for net borrowing of £178 billion or 12.6% of GDP.’

Those figures suggest to me gross incompetence from this Labour government.

Other than the facts I'm sure your right.



Link: Labour incompetence

John67 Posted on 18/03/2010 10:32
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'I paid far less tax under the tories than I do now under Labour. I am not a rich person' Do you have kids? Do you think that you will or someone in your familt may one day get ill?

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 10:33
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'And your wages are exactly the same? How much tax did you pay under the tories compared with labour?'

I know how much tax I paid under the Tories and it was significantly less than I do now as a percentage of my salary.

newyddion Posted on 18/03/2010 10:34
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Lib Dem [^]

The Labour Party became the Tory party [V]

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 10:36
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

If you're going to make a point I'm not sure if linking to an article that contradicts you is a great tactic:

"Since 2008, National Debt has increased sharply because of:

•Economics Recession (lower tax receipts, higher spending on unemployment benefits)
•Financial bailout of Northern Rock, RBS and other banks."

zaphod Posted on 18/03/2010 11:05
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I'll be voting LibDem, even though I'm in a Lab/Con marginal. I don't believe in voting for what I don't want, just to keep out another party that I don't want either.

The LibDems are now the most left-wing of the 3 main parties & will probably hold the balance of power in a hung Parliament. I'll be really chuffed if that happens.

bear66 Posted on 18/03/2010 11:09
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

"I know how much tax I paid under the Tories and it was significantly less than I do now as a percentage of my salary."

So you've become a 40% tax payer then? Well done.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 18/03/2010 11:11
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

oooh er difficult decision...

let me think for 3 nano-seconds

er... no.

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 11:19
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Labour for me, again

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 11:26
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

The government debt is so big now because of the mismanagement of government finances by Labour over the past 13 years.

‘National Debt as a % of GDP increased from 30% in 2002 to 37 % in 2007. This was despite the long period of economic expansion.’

Instead of a deluded Gordon Brown banging on about how he ended ‘Boom and Bust’ Labour should have known the benign economic conditions wouldn’t last for ever and prepared the government finances for a downturn. If he paid down the debt during the good times we would not be in this mess now. After all it was one of his so called ‘golden rules’ about borrowing over an ‘economic cycle’ which turned out to be just a load more make it up as you go along waffle.

whistler Posted on 18/03/2010 11:27
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Why are we so afraid of change around here? We should clear out this inbred notion that Labour looks after us because quite simply it doesn't. I have lived in two Tory council controlled areas and it was fine. No contagious diseases or hooray henrys whooping it up all over the place.
Before the "inbreds" start, yes I remember life under the Tories and it was a lot better than under Labour in the 70's which I also remember!
Change our councils and get rid of the worst government in living memory.


bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 11:28
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

It’s all very well pointing to new infrastructure and claiming how things have improved under Labour but they have spent money the country could not afford.

A lot of these new buildings were unnecessary some perfectly good school buildings have been knocked down to be replaced monstrosities simply because labour are trying to impress. Look at the Unity City academy what a ridiculous design for a school. It would have been more sense to construct a group of low lying buildings. But it has been built as a deliberately large single structure which dominates the surrounding area. It’s an old communist trick, big shinny new buildings equal progress. Never mind that the academic results of the place are absolutely awful and the school has been placed in special measures.

My son’s primary school has just had a new reception area added to the front of the school building. Not particularly large but a bit flash with plenty of glass frontage. The cost ran into several hundred thousand pounds. The school would rather have spent the money in other areas but were told by the authority that the money came from a budget which was only for ‘improvements’ to school entrances. This school faces one of the busiest roads in Middlesbrough with lots of motorists passing this new shinny extension to the front of the school. I think it’s a shocking waste of money in the middle of a deep recession with the school probably facing cut backs after the election (despite who gets elected). Like I said it’s all about perceptions with this government.

bear66 Posted on 18/03/2010 11:30
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

So why did the school waste the money then? Nothing to do with the government . . just the school

boro_exile Posted on 18/03/2010 11:31
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

shat on by tories, shovelled up by labour

(as the delectable Montague Withnail once said)

what next? wouldn't vote nu-labour under any circumstance, not that any other party is particularly appealing, just that labour is particularly appalling

Lefty Posted on 18/03/2010 11:32
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I'll vote Labour I expect. Even though in part responsible for the financial crash the Tories would have carried out same policies anyway in that respect. It is a pity the Labour Party felt they had to go down the Tory route to become electable.

That said, at least Brown and Darling reacted to the crisis, the Tories hadn't a clue and still haven't.

It takes a couple of years for a PM to get into his stride so I expect Brown to improve. We can't have Cameron learning on the job in the current situation.

'Camerons only experience of government was as a 'senior' advisor to Lamont durinhg Black Wednesday.'

It would be interesting to know what his advice was. Lamont is somewhat unfairly criticised as he wanted to pull out immediately that day. Most of the blame should lie with John Major who insisted on calling an emergency meeting of the Cabinet to debate what they should do, and the members of the Cabinet, some of whom are with Cameron now, who dithered and dithered costing us billions.

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 11:33
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

If Labour is so piiss poor on the economy why are we one of only 5 or it might be 6 countries in the world with a AAA rating? Japan, Holland Belgium (at nauseum) don't.

The debt will have halved in 3 years, calm down. The banks will repay the Govt, be re-privatised, everyone will be a winner.

My wife works in a new school, my son goes to a fully refurbished school and the hospital I went to yesterday is new, well staffed and free.


And the lads who want to pay less tax, you should be ashamed.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 11:34
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Who is standing in Stockton North?

Without a decent candidate of the left I'd have to vote Red Tory.

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 11:34
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Bloody hell. Cameron must have combined that job with his paper round.

Lefty Posted on 18/03/2010 11:35
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'It’s an old communist trick, big shinny new buildings equal progress.'

What a knob head thing to say.

Like the twin towers and most of Dubai are a bastion to communism rather than capitalism are they?


newyddion Posted on 18/03/2010 11:35
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

The Labour Party & The Tories have lost the plot.

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 11:40
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

The money didn't come from the schools own budget. It came from a separate budget controlled by the local authority which is controlled by Labour. The budget was specifically for 'improvements' for school entrances. The school could not access the money to spend it on anything else.

UKLL1981 Posted on 18/03/2010 11:43
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'My wife works in a new school, my son goes to a fully refurbished school and the hospital I went to yesterday is new, well staffed and free.

And the lads who want to pay less tax, you should be ashamed.'



So I should keep paying more tax for you and your families benefit?

I don't have kids, I want to pay less tax.

My mums cancer treatment and sisters heart op were all taken care of privately, if it had been done on the NHS my mum certainly wouldn't of been treated by the best esophageal cancer specialist and surgeon in Europe.

I will vote Tory just as I have done every time I've voted.

I think Labour have grown fat and complacent after years of being unchallenged, with the tax we currently pay we should have the best public services in Europe but they waste as much as they spend.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 11:45
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'The Labour Party & The Tories have lost the plot.'

So which party has found it?

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 11:47
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'It’s an old communist trick, big shinny new buildings equal progress.'

What a knob head thing to say.

Yes that's what communists and socialists have to do. Because their policies don't work they have to bullchite people.

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 11:48
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

@ UKLL1981

So T_s_a_b's kids are going to generate the wealth to support you through your drooling old age, but you don't want them to get a decent education that would help them do that?

Selfish AND stupid - all Tory boxes ticked.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 11:51
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Bodmass, you're an oaf.

If building new facilities isn't the way forward, what is? The education and health services have flourished under this shower, as poor as they are. That means that working class people, including fools like yourself, benefit.

The new facilities provided in my home town shouldn't be sneered at. It's what we pay our taxes for. Not to be handed over to the rich, as the Tories did for a quarter of a century.

UKLL1981 Posted on 18/03/2010 11:53
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'So T_s_a_b's kids are going to generate the wealth to support you through your drooling old age, but you don't want them to get a decent education that would help them do that?

Selfish AND stupid - all Tory boxes ticked.'


So it's my responsibility and duty to take care of other peoples kids now?

Don't have kids if you expect the rest of the country to pay for their upbringing.

I will take care of myself and I will take care of the people that matter to me, perhaps if everyone else did that in this country we would be in better shape.

I could pay thousands more tax but it wouldn't benefit me or the people that matter to me, you can call it selfish but I say it's just being sensible.

Pay more tax for no gain? come on the only people that would advocate that are the people who would benefit from it.





boro_exile Posted on 18/03/2010 11:55
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

UKLL1981 - do you lean slightly to the right of Attilla the Hun [:O]

John67 Posted on 18/03/2010 11:55
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

In some ways these threads are pointless. The people voting Tory are just really selfish XXXXXXs [:D]

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 11:56
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I am also in BUPA, if you think that the treatment privately is better than the NHS you need a re-think.
My son has just be recieved some of the best medical care in the world, for free, the consultant told us it would have been slower under BUPA.

The tax rate should be 50% at £50k.

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 11:57
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

In an ideal world we would have the best possible health care that money can buy but we do not live in an ideal world. We can only have what the country can afford. I would settle for a reasonable standard of health care with priority given to the young. If when I get older I die of cancer or heart disease I’ll accept it. At least I’ll have lived a life and been able to enjoy it rather than getting taxed to death.

Cuba has more doctors per head of population than any other country but that doesn't dissuade thousands of its citizens from trying to leave every year.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 11:58
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'So it's my responsibility and duty to take care of other peoples kids now?'

It's called civilised society. Look after people properly and you'll be looked after yourself. Obviously something that you, being brought up by goats and sheep, have a great deal of difficulty with.

About time we tried it, don't you think?


John67 Posted on 18/03/2010 11:59
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Well said that man. Although BUPA etc are a disgrace often using NHS facilities. Any doctor that goes to work in the private sector should repay the cost of their training and a reasonable ammount of interest. That would be a lot of money that may make them think twice. This would then pat for a replacement.

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 12:00
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

C_t_C, you are confusing him, he is going to keep the last, first and the Rolo's in between to himself.

He seems a round avoidence bloke to me.

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 12:04
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

UKLL1981, just to try to put this in terms you might understand. You're 75 years old. And as a Tory you think 'Must eat now. Must eat more. Mmmm.'

Who do you expect is putting food on your plate?

UKLL1981 Posted on 18/03/2010 12:06
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'Look after people properly and you'll be looked after yourself.'


Meanwhile in the real world....

I live my life right, I work hard, never been in trouble with the law and if I can help someone I will but what I do object to is paying more and more tax every year and seeing no benefit to me or the people that matter to me. What sane/rational person wouldn't object to that? this isn't communism, I don't drag myself out of bed at 5 in the morning for the benefit of others.

It wouldn't be so bad but the cost of living in this country is through the roof, I live in the South East and if you earnt an average salary for this area you would be XXXXXXed.

That is an undeniable failure by our government.


MawTheMerrier Posted on 18/03/2010 12:06
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Vote Labour! - Vote for War!

CyberGadgie Posted on 18/03/2010 12:07
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Labour do not represent the working class anymore. You Jarra Marchas deserve everything you will get if this bunch of rogues ever get back in.

Most of the Labour party elite are public school educated nobs feigning a humble background. Look at Mandleson - multi millionaire now.

A small amount of your tax goes on paying to bribe you; most of it funds lavish lifestyles of the southern Labour luvvies.

Your loyalties have been abused for 13 years. If you are too stupid to see that then kiss goodbye to everyting you have ever earned yourself. Thay'll take it.

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 12:07
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I would never have guessed you lived in the SE.

jam69 Posted on 18/03/2010 12:07
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

its simple really if you live in a pad worth over 2 million and are rich enough not to need to use the nhs and state schools over the next five years then vote for nice but dim dave,but god help you should you want good public services,the national debt will be smaller but will it matter if the country is the XXXXXXs for the all but the very rich

UKLL1981 Posted on 18/03/2010 12:11
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?


'I would never have guessed you lived in the SE'


And I could guess where you live by your 'everyone owes me' attitude and the chip on your shoulder.

Average salary in the south east: 20k
Average 1 bedroom flat in the south east: 170k

Labour failure.

I work my butt off and I'm sick and tired of being punished for it.

Lefty Posted on 18/03/2010 12:12
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'what I do object to is paying more and more tax every year and seeing no benefit to me or the people that matter to me.'

Open your eyes, you XXXXXXwit.

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 12:13
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I accept that some school buildings needed replacing but many didn’t. What we need is a sensible and sustainable program of public building instead what we’ve had from Labour is an orgy of public spending.

Educational standards have not improved since labour took over they have worsened more and more children are leaving school unable to do the basics. Exams have been dumbed down to the point where they are becoming worthless in an effort to mask slipping standards.

As for handing over taxes to the rich like I said earlier I’m not rich and I pay far more tax under Labour than I did under the Tories.

I see the Labour supporters are resorting to name calling. Well if you can’t defend Labour’s record over the past 13 years then I suppose that’s all you’ve got left to fall back on, playground stuff.

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 12:14
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I do not under any measurement work my butt off. I ocassionally make a half decent decision, and then the loons give me a bonus for it.

And why would you want to pay £225k for a big box, and as for £20k you made that up. The avearge in the SE is closer to £32k.

You do do a good impression of the Eton 4.

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 12:14
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'What we need is a sensible and sustainable program of public building '

I take it you won't be voting Tory then...

bodmass Posted on 18/03/2010 12:19
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'What we need is a sensible and sustainable program of public building '

I take it you won't be voting Tory then...

......er, more chance of that happening under a Tory government than a Labour government doing an impression of a drunken sailor on shore leave.

UKLL1981 Posted on 18/03/2010 12:20
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

£32k?!

lol, you are deluded if you think the average salary round here is that high.

The average person here in Sussex is currently struggling big time.

Last year home re-possessions were up 11% in the SE compared to 1% in the NE.

You only have to pick up any local paper and you will see ten times as many jobs advertised for under £18k than over £20k.




keelo Posted on 18/03/2010 12:21
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

well said John67,
Theses people who advocate Cameron (reaches for a bucket) SHOULD take a look at the schools and hospitals etc that Labour have massively financed,where the National health service was in the last gasps of dying when the last lot of Tories were kicked out and imagine what it would be like if they hadnt been and the tories had ruled for the last 15 years....my God,it doesnt bear thinking about...What does Dodgy Dave care about working class people like all on here....F.A.

Borocelt Posted on 18/03/2010 12:23
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Liberal Democrat for me.

Labour no longer represent the left, but they have made progress. Going back to the tories would be a huge, huge mistake.

Seeing as most on here seem to be putting economics at the heart of the election this time around, the Libs who would pursue closer economic ties with Europe is by far the best option.

Us being one of the last countries to pull out of recession and a strong euro would seem to me indicate this would be a good idea to me.

We can't afford to be isolationist little englanders in the modern world. It dosn't and will not work.

Also I had to laugh at whoever said voting Lib Dem is a wasted vote, but then followed it with they'd be voting UKIP. You what!? BNP Lite probably won't even collect as many votes as their more openly bigotted brothers, and as i said, isolation in the global market would be beyond completely foolish.

With the real prospect of a hung government, every Lib Dem vote will count, and we might finally see some change from the old guard.

Another pleasent aside would also be that Clegg is a far more pleasent individual than that smarm merchant Cameron or that dullard Brown.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 18/03/2010 12:24
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

"Who do you expect is putting food on your plate? "

Himself you cretin. Through the private pension and savings that he`s set aside money for. The complete opposite of a selfish sod who expects the state to look after his every need as if he`s a toddler.

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 12:25
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Exams have been dumbed down to the point where they are becoming worthless in an effort to mask slipping standards.

Try doing this years Maths A level paper.

Stop believing The Mail, and we have many businesses in the SE. If you earn less than £32k you work in McD's.

John67 Posted on 18/03/2010 12:28
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Here comes Bernie cut and paste. Took your time you simplton. [:D]

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 12:29
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Oh I see. He's going to eat money. Do you eat money Bernie? Something more nutritious might make you a nicer person. You are what you eat and that.

John67 Posted on 18/03/2010 12:30
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

LOL, Bernie who gave you that opinion? [:o)]

UKLL1981 Posted on 18/03/2010 12:32
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

You are completely talking out your arse. Infact you are so wrong I suspect you are just spouting drivel to try and get a rise from me, that's how wrong you are.

Even people with degrees will struggle to earn £32k.

Sure you can get that money if you are lucky but you couldn't be more wrong to claim the average salary for where I live is £32k.




Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 12:32
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'I see the Labour supporters are resorting to name calling. Well if you can’t defend Labour’s record over the past 13 years then I suppose that’s all you’ve got left to fall back on, playground stuff.'

Whemn you talk like a schoolboy who has played truant throughout the history syllabus, you'll be treat like one.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 18/03/2010 12:33
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Being highly taxed wouldn`t be so bad if the money was being spent properly. But it`s just being jizzed on state sector non jobs.

An Example: Teaching Assistants. Why did teachers suddenly need assistants? They`d been managing on their own in the classroom since state schools were first introduced.
And have this army of teaching assistants made the kids leaving school any more able to read or write? Have they bollox.
It`s just a job creation scheme to produce Labour voters, and to produce figures that Brown can quote to say "Look how much we are spending on education".

Bernie_was_right Posted on 18/03/2010 12:40
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

"Oh I see. He's going to eat money. Do you eat money Bernie?"

Eh??? what are you talking about??
He`ll provide for his own old age, not expect others to do it for him.

If people saved for their old ages instead of jizzing it away they wouldn`t be dependent on the nanny state to (literally) wipe their anus for them

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 12:44
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Bernie, at last I agree with you. I have bought a house, made a capital gain, saved up a pension and a few bob. When I am old and need care, I sell the house and pay for my care with the proceeds.

As it should be.

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 12:45
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

That's a good point you make. Who WILL wipe his incontinent anus when BUPA decide they'd really rather not insure him any more?

And to answer you question on what I'm talking about - well I could, but you'd need to know a bit about economics. For example, how will the pension contributions he makes today become goods and services he can actually use in his unproductive retirement?

Maybe Littlejohn could furnish an answer.

Maybe not.

Cecil_J_Mctumshie Posted on 18/03/2010 12:46
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I am-anything to keep tories out

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 13:07
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Per national statistics (april 2009):

Median full-time weekly earnings in London were £627 (£32,604), significantly higher than in other regions, where they ranged from £436 in the North East to £514 (£26,728)in the South East.


Depends if you class London as bring in the SE.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 13:35
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'Who WILL wipe his incontinent anus when BUPA decide they'd really rather not insure him any more?'

What happens here in Houston, the oil rich city with the world's biggest medical centre, is that European volunteer doctors and dentists, many from the UK, set up clinincs in school gymnasiums. They help the poor (many working), as long as they can hold on for a few months at a time.

It's the kind of barbarism the Tories like to have swept under the carpet.

degsyspesh Posted on 18/03/2010 15:54
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

This government has wasted more money than anyone could possibly believe. Yes, the NHS and school buildings have been improved - but at what cost?? Educational standards have plummeted over the last 13 years and reducing the difficulty of exams does nothing to hide the fact that despite the lovely new shiny buildings, kids are coming out of school far less well equipped to either work or go on to further study.

As an example of what this government wastes money on have a look at this tender opportunity that was e-mailed to me a few days ago (god knows why..):

A new contract has been published by Gateshead Council (NEPO). The contract details are as follows:-

ID: GCC-QTLE-82QJFQ
Title: NE IEP Contract for the provision of consultancy to enable good conversations between communities and the public sector through purposeful engagement and empowerment in tough financial times.


I'm so glad that my monthly tax bill is going to fund things like this. No wonder the country's f'ked.


Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 15:55
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'Educational standards have plummeted over the last 13 years and reducing the difficulty of exams does nothing to hide the fat that despite the lovely new shiny buildings, kids are coming out of school far less well eqipped to eitehr work or go on to further study.'

3/10. Must work harder on your spelling.

degsyspesh Posted on 18/03/2010 16:04
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

CTC - there you go, I've corrected the spelling.

I'll try harder to remember to check my typing before pressing "post message" next time.

Sincere apologies for any offence caused.

southgates_elbow Posted on 18/03/2010 16:19
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I couldnt agree with you more UKLL the labourites on here are a total joke.

If they cant debate they attack you personally or your spelling.

The only people voting labour are those benefiting.

The gentleman talking about his wife working at a new school, oh yes funded by my 40% taxation, his wifes salary and public sector pension... oh yes my 40% taxation again.

His sons hospital treatment oh yes my 40% taxation.

Sorry fella, if you couldnt afford your children you should not of had them. end of..

Stop with the entitlement culture and teesside chip on your shoulder its pathetic sad and small minded.

At the moment there are only 3 party's in the running for my vote Tory, UKIP and potentially independent.

The Labour Party and Lib Dems are merely left wing scum, politics of jealousy and envy types who can be roundly laughed at.

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 16:24
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'If they cant debate they attack you personally or your spelling.'

I guess it's difficult to debate with anyone who can only grunt 'my money, my money' over and over again.

It's not much of an argument intellectually but it's crudely effective, I'll grant that.

southgates_elbow Posted on 18/03/2010 16:25
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

@ Borocelt, you call the BNP bigotted (rightly so) and then do the same with UKIP.

I have a strong feeling UKIP may be replacing the Lib Dems as the 3rd party at the next election

Please as a matter of fact can you confirm which 2 parties are trying to bring in an act of Parliament which is openly Racist and Sexist?

Oh yes Labour and the Lib Dems

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 16:27
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Like you I pay 40% tax, it should be 50% over £50k.

And I assume by using the phrase 'left wing scum' you were counter balancing 'If they cant debate they attack you personally'

Hey ho

southgates_elbow Posted on 18/03/2010 16:31
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Ooooh the envy and jealousy spewing forth in your post is obvious... it must really hurt you others have done better then you!

"Ooooh that persons gets paid more than me tax him tax him... he must pay for my kids!"

I guess its difficult to debate with someone who expects someone else to pay for them all their life. They have had the goodlife on someone elses money for 13 years ah well thats grinding to a halt shortly.


The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 16:32
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

How have you 'done' better than me?

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 16:34
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I think you're making some rather heroic assumptions. And a bit of an idiot of yourself.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 16:34
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I remember hearing the same in 1979. The country still hasn't recovered from the onslaught of the incoming government. Our area in particular.

I'm surprised so many here can only remember as far back Juninho's signing.

southgates_elbow Posted on 18/03/2010 16:35
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

You mean the same left wing scum that taunted me for a disability on here recently

yes i will call them what they are scum![rle]

If, as you state, you pay 40% tax then you will already realise that with NI contributions anyone earning 50k is already paying 50% tax which is unacceptable.

Cut the welfare state and start living with in our means

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 16:37
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

You forgot VAT and alcohol/fuel duty.

southgates_elbow Posted on 18/03/2010 16:38
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

CTC 1979? I remember that yeah! The country was on its arse from another Labour Government and you have the temerity of accusing people of limited memories.

Winter of discontent ring any bells... 95% income tax...

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 16:38
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Nope wrong 41%, NIC above the higher rate is 1%. You need to contact HMRC they must owe you as few bob.

And again how have you 'done' better than me.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 16:41
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

'95% income tax'

Well if I remember rightly, 99% of the population didn't pay anywhere near that.

What rate did you pay back then?

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 16:42
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

again it was not 95% Income tax, tax on un-earned income did gross it too 98% as it happens. I wish I had been paying it, about 1 person in over a 100,000 at the time.

Still facts seem to confuse you, carry on.

southgates_elbow Posted on 18/03/2010 16:45
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

CTC what rate i paid then is irrelevent...

Moreover, answer my question do you find taking the XXXXXX out of disability acceptable? The answer is no.. but just like the last debate you couldnt bring yourself to condemn your "chums" could you?

It was Labour Party policy was it not... more nasty taxation.

I am really happy reading the tired posts of labourites.

Your out of power shortly and the gravy train is coming to an end.

Time to start paying your own way!

zaphod Posted on 18/03/2010 16:45
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I live in the SE, pay 40% tax but I think top earners are undertaxed. We all have to contribute to society, otherwise it falls apart. You never know when you're going to need help from the state; life is always very uncertain & a safety net is essential for that reason.

I also think pension & winter fuel payments should not be paid to those who don't need them.

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/03/2010 16:49
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Southgate, I have no idea who insulted you, they were wrong, as is any fact you have put down to support your arguments.


Metroman Posted on 18/03/2010 16:54
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Since I agree that all the national parties are sythe and want to kick labour up the assr anyway I think we should coordinate to vote for your local independent no matter who that is. At least that way the protest element will come across

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/03/2010 16:59
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I'm not a Labour supporter, haven't been for a very long time. I'm also not stupid enough to think that a Conservative government will make a jot of difference.

Zaphod, I fully agree regarding top earners and taxation. Taxation and indirect redistributuon should be used to narrow the dreadful gap between rich and poor we've nurtured.


Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 18/03/2010 17:06
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Any party which, for starters:

Introduces laws to ensure that MPs and Lords are NEVER AGAIN allowed to sponge off the taxpayer, and if caught are sacked immediately. (And if in the House of Lords, lose their peerage),

Sorts out once and for all the immigration crisis and introduces a points system like the Australians have, so that we finally know how many people are here, who OUGHT be here, and who SHOULDN'T be here and are thus kicked out asap,

Ends the ridiculous benefits culture which allows foriegners and spongers who haven't paid a penny in tax to claim more money than a Corus worker after 25 years hard labour,

Gives us a vote on the Euro, Lisbon, and EU membership,

Supports the family for eg. with tax breaks for married couples,

Tackles youth crime, not with 'hug a hoodie' gimmicks, but with tough action like genuine prison terms for offenders and even parents if they can't control their offspring.

Clamp down on massive public spending waste lost on leaflets advising how to change light bulbs, using ladders, or promoting Gay/Bi transgender month in Slough, etc, etc,

End the bizarre nanny state and PC culture we have in society, so that if kids want to play conkers and climb tress, they can, and if Ba Ba Black Sheep is black, so be it,

Ensures that if we are in a war, the armed forces are given every f*cking penny they require, no questions asked,

Cuts out the soundbites and TAKES ACTION on all of the above,

Will Get My Vote. Sadly, no party as sensible as exists, not even the Tories.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 18/03/2010 17:16
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

"I also think pension & winter fuel payments should not be paid to those who don't need them."

So you want people to have to pay into a National Insurance schmeme which they are not allowed to benefit from??!!??!!

Would you pay your car insurance if you knew that you wouldn`t be able to make a claim?

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 17:17
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Do you claim on your car insurance if you don't need to Bernie, you rotter?

Bernie_was_right Posted on 18/03/2010 17:21
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

That`s not the issue. I pay a premium, so am entitled to benefits. Who in their right mind (Other than socialists, who obviously aren`t) would pay insurance that denies them cover?

You couldn`t make it up!

Lefty Posted on 18/03/2010 17:22
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

[:D]


speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 17:24
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Yes, cover - paid out on a contingent basis when needed.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 18/03/2010 17:33
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

So What your saying is this:

Work hard, get qualifications, a good job, save your money: Get Nothing from the state and have to pay for everything yourself.

Do nothing, don`t work, live on benefits which you jizz away on booze & drugs: Get eveything you need to live a comfotable life paid for you by the state (or more specifically, the kind of people above).

Well, isn`t Socialism just great?!?!?!?! Talk about going to Hell in a Handcart.

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 17:35
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Is that what I'm saying? I thought all I was saying was that insurance doesn't automatically entitle you to a payment. I'd check your policy again.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 18/03/2010 17:38
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I can only call you naive at best. I`m so glad your kind of politics has been thrown in the dustbin time and time again by the Great British Electorate, and will hopfully never darken the doors of the mother of all parliaments again, with the exception of the odd curiosity like Galloway for decent minded people to laugh at.

speckyget Posted on 18/03/2010 17:39
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I'm naive? I'm not the one waiting for a payout from my car insurance.

John_Boro Posted on 18/03/2010 17:41
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

cant be arsed to read this but i'd vote liberal democrats every time.

abolish income tax for poorest, scrap nukes, scrap ID cards, and Vince cable is the only one who has a clue what he is on about regarding the economy.

darlonorth Posted on 18/03/2010 17:47
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

I'm voting labour

Dibzzz Posted on 18/03/2010 18:09
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

Fcuk me, over 140, that's a personal best for me. [^][:D]

Lefty Posted on 18/03/2010 18:20
Be honest, are you going to vote Labour?

[:D][:D][:D]specky