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Ste_1986 Posted on 26/02/2008 21:17
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The best words I have ever heard come out of this guys mouth.

I applaud him.


Narsty_Parsty Posted on 26/02/2008 21:19
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

is that what he said "i applaud him"

lamb out!

sasboro1 Posted on 26/02/2008 21:47
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

who made the decision to appeal? going on lamb's reaction it must have been him.

it was daft to appeal in the first place. should have accepted the ban and got on with things. player and club know the rules before the liverpool game and before the appeal.

We are just looking very bitter and small minded

Narsty_Parsty Posted on 26/02/2008 21:49
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

but why is our appeal considered frivolous and we get an extra game ban yet chelsea's wasn't?


spectrum Posted on 26/02/2008 21:52
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Agree , the appeal was pointless but its the total inconsistencies in our game that wind people up , they both should have been sent off and both got the same ban , when one doesn,t then it makes a B******* of it all , having said that did you see that guy get a huge ban in Australia for slapping the refs arm yet another player seemed to punch the linesman in the nuts and only got a yellow card , so its not just our game that needs to sort itself out.

Senor_Chester Posted on 26/02/2008 21:53
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

It's one rule for the big teams and another for the rest of us. The appeal was never going to do anything anyway.

spectrum Posted on 26/02/2008 21:58
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The guy who got away with the punch to the linesmans nuts plays for some shoite team called Newcastle

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 26/02/2008 23:14
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I think the appeal was always likely to be knackered as, applying the letter of the law:

If you strike someone, you get a straight red card (Mascherano didn't actually strike Ali)

If you get a straight red card, you get a three game ban.

It's still totally nonsensical that you can get the same punishment for a leg-breaking or potentially leg-breaking tackle as you do for a gentle clip on the cheek. There should summat in place where you can either appeal against the decision, or at least against the length of the ban.

As for Lamby's strong words, I never knew the lad had it in him.

ThePrisoner Posted on 26/02/2008 23:23
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Shearer and Lennon.


Trevor Brooking.


Timboi Posted on 26/02/2008 23:26
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Except he should have eased-up on the dictionary definitions. This wasn't a 5th year debating comp.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 26/02/2008 23:31
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I don't know how you can even consider arguing against the sending off and then apply the 'FA hates us' statement again, it really does make you look foolish and with an inferiority complex.

I also notice a distinct absence of any threads remarking about where in the schedule your game was shown on MOTD this week.

EuropaParmo Posted on 26/02/2008 23:35
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

i don't think we should have appealed, because i don't believe we had grounds to appeal.

BUT...there is no way on earth it is fair on us to give aliadiere another games ban, and let mascherano get away with it

bear66 Posted on 26/02/2008 23:44
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Excellent response - this "letter of the law" stuff is rubbish - raising hands, striking are nowhere to be seen in the law - "violent" does exist and 50m normal English people would look at it and say it was not "violent - but, unfortunately, the FA don't appear to be normal

Rio_Verde Posted on 26/02/2008 23:50
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Bri, with all due respect this isn't about just the Boro-- it's about the way these type of punishments are delivered and who within the FA are judging and making the call. It's ridiculous that any player has to sit on the sidelines for such a petty incident-- and what I would call -- an act of defiance by both Alialdiere and MFC. We all know what happened, plain as day-- the player was wound up by Macherano and reacted-- albeit in the wrong manner. But was it malicious or violent?-- definately not-- and certainly not worthy of secondary punishment-- i.e. making the lad sit for another game is beyond the realms what one would call grossly unfair. If the FA are so sure that they have made the correct decision then they should apply it to every case, but they don't they just continue to apply their own law, or discretion as they so aptly call it.

Bukowski Posted on 27/02/2008 02:14
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The real issue is the fact that we all know the FA aren't impartial in their decisions. They might claim to be impartial but, in reality, the only thing they're interested in is protecting the "big clubs".

They have their favourite clubs and we're not one of them so we'll always be on the end of their harshest decisions.

Plus the referees who favour the big clubs in matches are never called into question.

Football in the UK is just institutionally corrupt.

br14 Posted on 27/02/2008 02:37
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Keith Lamb is rightly angered. It seems pretty clear that the club were trying to leverage Mascheranos actions into a reduced penalty but their bluff was called. The FA dont give a S*** about clubs like Boro as long as the big boys are happy.

About time the FA and FIFA got serious about discipline. Yellow and red cards is a simple system administered by simpletons.

Referees apply the rules inconsistently and the system is too open for abuse.

On the same day Taylor was red carded for breaking Eduardos leg, Aliadiere is sent off for tickling Mascheranos face.

A red card given on 89 minutes receives the same penalty as one applied after 1 minute and yet the effect is significantly worse.

Time to introduce the same "sin-bin" system used in rugby and ice hockey. In particular in ice-hockey they have the concept of the instigator penalty. The person initiating the event is awarded more serious punishment.

After watching loads of hockey games over the past 14 years I cannot recall ever watching a game in which obviously inconsistent decisions were awarded - despite the game being faster and more complex and often having four referees on the ice at one time.

Football on the other hand seems riddled with poor decisions, penalties awarded or not awarded, and the inconsistent application of rules.

5 minutes off the field for a yellow; 10 minutes off the field for a red; and a game misconduct for serious violence on the field.

The game would clean up in an instant.

jeff_sm00 Posted on 27/02/2008 03:09
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Keith is right to be angry. Is the FA encouraging jaw grabbing? It's that a misconduct too or else we'll be seeing more jaw grabbing in the future

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 27/02/2008 07:03
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

'Football in the UK is just institutionally corrupt'

That, my good man, hits the nail on the head.

joseph99 Posted on 27/02/2008 07:07
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

If only MFC was called WHUFC and we had strong links into the EFA and Premier League boardroom via a faceless spineless sneaky smarmy kunt.

marktheborofan Posted on 27/02/2008 08:08
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Personally, I think that GS should have "done a Wenger" and said that he hadn't seen the incident as I think that it did look a bit out of order with him not backing the player, however, one could argue that we would rather hear the truth which he has been complimented on in the past.

On the other hand, I feel that the actions of the club in deciding to appeal the decision has made them look a little silly. Surely, the only outcome they could have really hoped for was to get Mascherano punished as well as, after all, he committed the first offence by raising his hand to Aliadiere. If this is the case then it smacks a little of "well if we are going to get knacked, then we will grass on them as well".

It just looks a bit childish to me.

The extra game ban dished out by the FA is an absolute disgrace though and I think there may be an ulterior motive for it. The extended ban cover the Arsenal away game and there are connections with the FA and Arsenal (Dein). Aliadieres pace was responsible for the first goal we scored against them this season and it was pretty evident that their defence struggled to cope with his pace. I think this decision by the FA has been made with this in mind.

You can email your comments on this decision to contact@theifc.co.uk and I think that we should fill their "inbox" with messages of disgust.

woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 08:13
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Its our own stupid fault for trying to get the ban lifted, we knew the possible consequences if we failed


Go on Lamby, give em a right hook

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 09:16
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Timboi, how on earth can people be expected to interpret rules without correctly understanding the definition?


I said yesterday that they may be appealing that this wasn't violent conduct, because Alis slap wasn't violent. For me Ali should have had a second yellow for ungentlemanly conduct. That would have been a 1 game ban and is appropriate for the 'crime'.

For the record Mascherano had no right to grab Ali, he did it to provoke a reaction, trying to get a player sent off is ungentlemanly conduct. The ref has failed to do his job by not giving Mascherano a yellow for the same offence, and the ref should therefore be punished.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:19
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Just heard him on Five Live quoting the Oxford dictionary definition of frivolous.

Always the arguement of a desperate man that it. Sounded a bell.

How's slapping somebody in the face not violent?

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 09:23
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

because violent means extreme force, not a light cuff.

ChiefWiggum Posted on 27/02/2008 09:24
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Fair play to Lamb on this.

Putting accross his points very well.

He should stick his fingers up to the FA and tell them we will not be playing a 39th game.Embarress the S*** out of them

onthemap Posted on 27/02/2008 09:24
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

It's their game and their rules, no ones forcing anyone to join in.

You're not seriously saying you've just noticed it's all fixed are you?

Embarrassing ourselves yet again.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:26
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

So the ref has to be the one to sort out if he hit him hard enough?

Slapping someone is violent - doesn't matter how hard he hit him.

woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 09:27
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

a simple quote


Play with fire and .................

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 09:27
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

well the clubs obviously taking the lead of one or two of its fans isn't it mappy! [;)]

Blain87 Posted on 27/02/2008 09:29
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Well Done Keith and MFC. He put his point across very well and it helped show the FA for what they are: A bunch of lying. cheating, corrupt, spineless W*****s, who know nothing about the game.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:29
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

It makes you look daft to be honest.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 09:30
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

"So the ref has to be the one to sort out if he hit him hard enough?" -- well no in this case we are asking the panel to decide retrospectively how hard the hit was.

If you apply the 'it doesn't matter how hard' rule then mascherano should surely have been sent off because we shouldn't need to judge 'how hard' he grabbed Ali. By your definition of violance, thats a 3 game ban for Mascherano.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:35
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Maybe so but you weren't appealing that the ref had got the Maschereno decision wrong.

You were appealing that your lad hadn;t been violent - he had. You can't slap somebody and not get sent off. Your manager accepted it and some tit above him has appealed. Now to start slagging the FA makes your club look daft.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 09:37
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

"You can't slap somebody and not get sent off. " -- I agree he should have gone, I don't agree its violent conduct. If you apply the letter of the law then its difficult to judge it as violent. It was more 'get off me you tit' and less 'ave some of that you T***'. The first is (a provoked) ungentanmanly conduct the second is violent conduct.

Slagging the FA shows wisdom, your daft if you think the FA act in a fair and even handed manner.

woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 09:42
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzz................

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:42
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

So you're saying if teh ref had given Mashereno a red and Liverpool appealed they wouldn't get an extra game ban?

Slapping somebody has never been ungentlemanly conduct. You're just making up the rules now mart.

kermit Posted on 27/02/2008 09:44
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

mick, what punishment should mascherano have got, for without reason, grabbing ali's face?

wilkos_perm Posted on 27/02/2008 09:45
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

the idea of 3 matches for the slap is a joke to me but there you go.

the sickening part is that you get an extended ban for appealing.
1. This is probably the choice of the management yet the player concerned is further punished.
2. How can it be justified? What did they have to do - watch the TV replay? Has that really put them out enough to consider further punishing us?

Blain87 Posted on 27/02/2008 09:45
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

And then put youurself in the position of the FA. Does Ali get and extra game ban? How would you justify that, given the Essien appeal?

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 09:47
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

He plays for liverpool of course not. The Essien vs Derby incident is a very good example. They claimed unfair dismissal, it was thrown out but no extra ban, why? because they are a big 4 side.

Making the rules up? Not at all the rules are in many areas ambiguous and open to interpretation. Lambs interpretation of the word violent is more accurate than 'any form of slap, kick, punch = violence'. Dictionaries exist to give universal meaning to words, it seems to me that MFC are pointing out that the FA are changing the scope of these words to suit themslves in an uneven fashion.

woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 09:48
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

mick, what punishment should mascherano have got, for without reason, grabbing ali's face?

Yellow, minimal

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:48
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

He should have got a red, but that has no bearing on what happens to your lad.

They've not given him an extra match because they thoguht it was worse than it actually was - he got an extra game because you were wasting every feckers time with a daft appeal. That's a good thing, should stop people P***ing about.

Blain87 Posted on 27/02/2008 09:49
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

So how do you justify not giving Essien the same extra match ban?

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:49
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Someone needs to part Lamb and his dictionary. He's making himself look a tit.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:50
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

What was the Essien incident? Not seen it.

Blain87 Posted on 27/02/2008 09:51
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

.


Link: Violent Conduct

DybuksChampion Posted on 27/02/2008 09:51
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Have to say I agree with Mick. We were stupid to appeal. The fact that the referee didn't give Mascherano a card was the referees choice. AND the referee decision must always be accepted as correct. I'm sure Mick would never question a referees judgement.

Blain87 Posted on 27/02/2008 09:53
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

We've pretty much all accepted that we were stupid to appeal.

We're trying to discuss the bias that the referee and the FA show to the big four and 'proper clubs'.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:55
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Essien - Chelsea could probably argue he was shielding the ball and didn't mean to strike him in the face, he wasn't looking at Miller when he hit him

Your lad had no intention other than to slap him one.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 09:57
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

'slap him one', if he intended to hurt him he would have clenched his fist before swinging or taken a bigger swing. I thought Bolton was some tough northern town, not some soft arse namby-pampy fairy town.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:57
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

DybuksChampion - au contraire the vast majority of refs are complete bellends, but in this case my mate Lee got the Aliadiere decision correct. He balls up the Liverpool lads one, but that no basis for you to appeal.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 09:58
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Hence I used the word slap him one. If he was a Bolton lad he'd have laid him out but he's French don't forget, that's a proper punch for him.

He intended to hit him in the face. How hard he did that doesn't matter.

woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 09:58
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Mick is bang on

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................

piquet2 Posted on 27/02/2008 10:02
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Just been listening to a live interview with Keith Lamb on Radio Tees, seems like they only decided to take the appeal action when they saw the referee's report, and that he had seen the whole incident yet failed to take action against Mascherano, he emphasised it was the club's decision to appeal, not Aliadiere's so why should he be punished further? From what he said I don't think we've heard the last of this.

DybuksChampion Posted on 27/02/2008 10:02
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I was only pulling your leg Mick. Some you win some you don't.

It was nothing match with nothing riding on it. The ban 'should' affect Ali more than the club. All this p ssing about prior to an important cup game though is stupid. It's silverware that counts and we've got a chance to add to our shiny league cup triumph sop that's what we should be concentrating on.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 10:02
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

isa there anything more moronic than coming on a thread and telling everyone its boring? don't read it if it bores you.

"but in this case my mate Lee got the Aliadiere decision correct." -- and with this phrase mick blows his own impartiality out of the water. Your 'mate' got it wrong, a what the F*** is the world coming to when a bolton lad doesn't know the differance between a warning tap and an assault.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 10:03
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

we do have the right to appeal the extra game ban.....and no they can't add another game o if that appeal fails.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 10:07
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I'm taking the P*** when I said he's my mate - just a bit of Bolton based name dropping bollox banter, like me and my mate Pete and Damon - surely you can see that? I do know him though, but not seen him for years.

I know the difference between a slap and a punch but in the football sense slapping someone is violent conduct. We all know that so stop being obtuse by trying to argue how violent it is. Doesn't matter.

skiptonboro Posted on 27/02/2008 10:08
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I'm agreeing with Mick on this one.

Appealing against violent conduct when he openly struck an opponent is ridiculous.

Quite why the club didn't make an issue out of the Macherano 'grabbing' incident is just daft.

They've simply picked the wrong argument and are making us look small time and petty.

There are inconsistencies (Essien etc) and this should be the basis of our argument - but by trying to argue against Ali's red card was frankly idiocy.

woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 10:12
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Mick is bang on again boromart

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................

onthemap Posted on 27/02/2008 10:22
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The rule says 'don't F***ing do it', not 'do it but not very hard', nor does it say 'you can do it if someone does it to you'.

Get over it, he acted like a brat. So did the other guy.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 27/02/2008 10:27
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Ali should have used the Kevin Davies technique - just elbow the f*cker in the face (and get away with it).

Although it does take years of practice to be fair.......

Sir_Spankalot Posted on 27/02/2008 10:31
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Come on. Jeremie should have stopped and given some thought to his actions. He should have used his head.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 10:32
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Hooray!!!

*applauds

piquet2 Posted on 27/02/2008 10:32
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

In retrospect, Aliadiere should have gone down as if polaxed, it works both ways.

Bandy Posted on 27/02/2008 10:34
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Poor old Boro always the victims.

Lamb should have done his homework first

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 27/02/2008 10:36
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Lamb always gets caned on here. Gibson must be an idiot for putting with him eh?

Critical_Bill Posted on 27/02/2008 10:41
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

They increased a hartlepool player's ban a couple of weeks ago

Sparticus Posted on 27/02/2008 10:59
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I think we should embarass the FA further especially as we are live on TV with singing

Y' can stick your extra game ban up yer ar*e

or

maybe the players could 'lightly' slap each other as a goal celebration and see if the Ref sends them all off

or

they could all do the 'shh motion', index finger against mouth, and unvail tee shirts saying 'unFAir' as a goal celebration

they all might get fined by FA but it would show great togetherness and I and the club would be even more proud of them!

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 11:06
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The suggestion I saw on here yesterday was the best.

When you win the FA cup you just refuse to collect the trophy.

That'll show the buggers eh?

woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 11:08
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

A mass slapping monty python style goal celebration would be hilarious [:D] "Its a sign !!!!!"

Bandy Posted on 27/02/2008 11:10
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I'm with Mick B on this one. We're being made to look a bit daft. On what grounds have we appealed? If we are claiming injustice why not stick in an official complaint only for it to be thrown in the bin anyway

Sparticus Posted on 27/02/2008 11:22
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I think we have appealed on the basis that with regard to Mascherano the referee has seen the incident and used his discretion or dare I say it 'common sense' and deemed that yes he has raised his hands and made contact with an opponants face, but it was hardly violent and did not merit a sending off.

As for Aladiere he has also seen the incident and could have used his discretion, or common sense, and said 'theres a couple of minutes to go don't be so stupid' and got on with the game, but he chose not to do that.

Why did he choose to do that for one player and not for the other with two similar incidents that happened within seconds of each other?

Bandy Posted on 27/02/2008 11:30
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Did the ref actually see Mascherano grab Alis face or did he just catch sight of the retaliationary swipe

Sparticus Posted on 27/02/2008 11:39
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The first quote id=s from Sky sports News site and the link is from the MFC web site which quotes the referees report but I can't copy and paste that.

http://msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12040_3203081,00.html

"The referee said he saw the whole incident, in his opinion Mascherano did nothing wrong and didn't warrant any further action, but if one player's action didn't warrant any action - why should the other? And that was our basis for the appeal.


Link: In refs report

Blaydon_Boro Posted on 27/02/2008 11:42
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Have you seen gibbos thoughts on the FA's response?


Link: Gibbo mirror

Bandy Posted on 27/02/2008 11:50
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Sparticus: if that was the basis of the appeal then we've been shafted good n proper. Double standards has taken over

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 11:52
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Methinks that Gibson doesn't often have people say no to him.

bandy - you can't appeal based on what a ref did to another player. You can only appeal on what he did to your lad. And what he did to your lad was spot on. Doesn't matter if he F***** up the other decision.

Bandy Posted on 27/02/2008 11:53
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

like I said before Mick, it was pointless appealing

Sparticus Posted on 27/02/2008 11:55
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

have now edited link!

red_harrington Posted on 27/02/2008 11:56
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Yellow and red cards were only introduced in the '70s. It's time for a fairer and more practical means of discipline. Rugby and hockey all have sin bins and they work well, why not introduce a 10 min sin bin for a minor 'yellow card' incident? Then sendings off for proper bad things like studs up and fights etc

boroboymike Posted on 27/02/2008 11:58
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

If anyone heard Lamb on 5Live they'd have hard him arguing that Alliadiere did NOT intentionally slap Mascherano's face.

Keith argued that he attempted to 'flick away' Mascherano's hand as he was holding his face and then accidentally hit his face as he swung out.

As if anyone would believe that, or that keith even believed it.

Just another case of Keith embarrassing himself and the club once again.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 12:11
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I suggest when we are defending a corner tonight we hold all of the shefied united players by the jaw so that they can't jump for the ball. It isn't an offence so why not!

Although if this tactic catches on with other clubs then we may lose the attacking prowess of David Wheater from corners.

bear66 Posted on 27/02/2008 12:19
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

"Keith argued that he attempted to 'flick away' Mascherano's hand as he was holding his face and then accidentally hit his face as he swung out."

When I first saw it, that was exactly how I read it - it looked like a shock reaction 'flick away' - having seen it a dozen times I'm still 50:50 as to whether it was a passive 'flick away' or a more active 'go away little man' but certainly not an act of violent conduct

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 27/02/2008 12:25
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I think we have to accept the sending-off, but not the additional match ban. However you rate Ali as a player, the extra match could make a big difference for the team. If that is the rule for a failed appeal then how can there be exceptions? When they heard Essien's appeal did they just forget to increase the ban and go for lunch, or did they deliberate on whether it was 'worth a shout'? In any case the latter simply doesn't make sense. If they deem it reasonable to appeal, then why don't the same people uphold the appeal?

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 12:28
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

It's not the rule for failed appeals.

It's the rule for failed bloody pointless appeals.

attonBORO Posted on 27/02/2008 12:29
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

This is what i wrote the b@Stards at the FA.....

Sirs

I am perplexed at the decision to increase the 3 match ban to a 4 match ban! I can tell you that these decisions against the smaller members of the Premier League just enhance our belief that the FA just look after your big-team favourites. Also, this additional ban will mean that the said player will be able to play against his former club Arsenal, as he was a key player in the demise at the Riverside earlier in the season.

Why was Macherano not punished? Ah yes, he plays for Liverpool of course! He raised his hands for goodness sake.....see what i am trying to say!

Is Mr Dein so influential in the corridors at the FA? We don't want favours, we want fairness! The average football supporter wants fair refereeing decisions on the field too - why is this not the case? Why dont the "Middlesbrough's" get key decisions at the big grounds?

I am sure that you will not reply to me......

Disullusioned football fan....

Craig

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 12:31
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 12:34
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Was stupid to appeal however there have been shocking double standards shown throughout this whole affair. Mascherano not getting sent off and us getting an extra ban and Chelsea not.

I'm glad he's said it, he's summed up why a lot of supporters of teams outside the elite are so peeved off.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 12:37
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Why's it a pointless appeal? We claimed it's not violent conduct. It may well have been. But you should still be able to say it wasn't and that was the basis of our appeal. We used a ref's opinion that raising hands in that manner isn't violent.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 12:38
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

He slapped him. That is violent conduct. Therefore pointless appeal.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 12:40
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I agree. But look on Kilburn's thread. There have been loads of pointless appeals, but ours and Derby's ends in an extra ban.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 12:44
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Were the others pointless though? Don't remember a lot of them but the ones I do or have recently seen.

The Obi Mikkel one at Old Trafford - lots of debate whether it was 2 footed or not - same with Robbie Keane's I think.

The Essien one - flung his arm out behind him - could be argued he didn't mean to catch him.

Your bloke looked him in the face and slapped him. That's about as clear cut a case as you can get.

bear66 Posted on 27/02/2008 12:44
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The surprising thing about this case is that only a few non-Boro fans are saying 'hands raised so . . '; most are saying either both players have a minimum penalty or neither - this is the worst sending off I've seen, and many others have been rescinded, often by the referee, after the event

In this instance, Aliadiere was retreating backwards minding his own business - he may have clipped Mascherano's heel in which case Mascherano was retaliating - Aliadiere appeared to be oblivious to anything happening and Masherano stopped, thought and deliberately grapped his face - no heat of the moment - Aliadiere must have been shocked as he hadn't realised any 'offence' had occured and so any action was instinct rather than malice or retaliation - what did surprise me was that the referee saw either action (unless it was following the Young incident) - perhaps he only heard the crowd and saw the jaw being held - I'm surprised he didn't talk to the linesman as he was the closest

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 12:46
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

We claimed he was trying to knock away Mascherano's hand but missed. Why the F*** can't you do that? It's not outrageous to think he might have been as he was being violently assualted by Mascherano.

Essien swung a great by arm in the other guys face. Pretty clear cut.

Ste_1986 Posted on 27/02/2008 12:47
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The thing for Aliadiere now is that he misses his dream return to Arsenal with this being his 4th game.

Gutted for him there like !!!!!!!!!!

woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 12:48
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Your bloke looked him in the face and slapped him. That's about as clear cut a case as you can get.
ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 12:49
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

If Boro really claimed that he missed his hand and hit him in the face by accident, that is taking the P*** in the extreme. No wonder they whacked an extra game on it.

bear66 Posted on 27/02/2008 12:49
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

No chance of a Cardiff replay before then - perhaps we could inform the police that the replay will be taking place on 11 March and then hold off on the goal scoring

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 12:50
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Why is it taking the P***? Anymore so than Chelsea appealing when Cole basically caught the ball on the line? We had far more room to appeal than they did yet we get done.

Fair? Good one.

woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 12:51
Its a

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mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 12:52
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Why is it taking the P***?

Come on, it's plain to every fecker he wanted to slap him in the chops. To try and pretend otherwise, especially to the disciplinary panel is taking the P***.

Ste_1986 Posted on 27/02/2008 12:53
Its a

*holds up finger and stands up from his chair to acknowledge the crowds applause*

A century from Ste_1986 [:)]

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 12:55
Its a

I think he deserved to be sent off. Don't get me wrong. But the fact that other clubs don't get punished for stupid appeals and we do stinks. It's as simple as that.

And Essien's was far more dangerous, and he knew what he was doing and where the man was. He'd be wrestling with him for 2mins.

Ste_1986 Posted on 27/02/2008 12:57
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

look the thing i cannot accept is this being delt more punishment that Martin Taylor snapping Eduardo's leg.

I cannot accept these two incidents in the same bracket, well there not as Ali has to sit out 4 games while Martin Taylor sits out 3. Thats what i find ludicrous.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 12:58
Its a

It's not a question of which was more dangerous, it's a question of having the brass neck to appeal it.

If you had to argue for one of them to be reconsidered, which would you feel you had more chance of getting away with? Essien's or your lad's?

alvesdad Posted on 27/02/2008 12:59
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Why cant tv replays of offences be taken in evidence by the FA
Mascheranos grab of Aliadieres face will have been seen so both of them should have gone off are the FA frightened of their Refs
been shown as inept for missing the full incidents All matches are shown on TV now so fouls that the ref misses now a panel can see and punishment can be given later. Then silly appeals wont be going in if the punishment fits the crime

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:01
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I thought both were F***ing pointless. Forearm smashing someone in face is a sending off. For Chelsea to claim otherwise is laughable, well apparently not.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:01
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

They can - the ref said he saw the Liverpool blokes and thought it not worthy of a card.

If he hadn't seen it the FA could ban him for 3 games.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:02
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

But surely if it wasn't Aliadiere's wasn't? They're the same incident. That's a decent starting point to appeal. Precendent.

Lefty Posted on 27/02/2008 13:03
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Mascherano should have got a yellow, Aliadiere should have got a second yellow and a one match ban. That would have been about right, wouldn't it Mick?

JonJon Posted on 27/02/2008 13:04
Its a

He slapped him. Everyone saw it. It's always going to punished by a ban.

Saying that the other guy should have been sent off too, whether it's true or not, is acting like children in the playground.

This is a no-win situation. Gibson and Lamb should take the punishment on the chin and stop sounding off to the newspapers because otherwise we could end up looking very foolish.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:05
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Your lad deserved a red - you can't just slap someone in the chops.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:07
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Of course he deserved a red. But we still have the right to appeal. And we had better grounds to than other claims yet we get punished. Can you not see that's why people are bothered?

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:08
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I honestly can't see the grounds you had for an appeal.

What could the club possibly say that wasn't going to come across as absolute bollox?

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:11
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

He didn't mean to hit him in the face - I wouldn't argue with that to be honest. It looked like he did.

The precedent set by the Mascherano assault. The ref deemed that not worthy of a red as it wasn't violent conduct. Therefore he may have just overestimated how violent Ali's attack was. He may have made a mistake. They were pretty much the same incident, and the ref, who is a paid proffessional decided that Mascherano's wasn't violent. Now he was wrong, but we could surely argue that he was right not to send of Mascherano and therefore Aliadiere should also not have been sent off.

alvesdad Posted on 27/02/2008 13:12
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Gibbo has called the FA amateurs and silly little men for upping the ban to 4 matches isnt it about time we have ex football people running this game than some amateurs who dont know what the pro game is all about

crazydiamond Posted on 27/02/2008 13:14
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

That they haven't subsequently acted against Mascherano shows this is a spineless decision by a spineless organisation and the team should show its displeasure by bowing out of their tinpot cup tonight.
All together now..."you can stick yer fookin 4 games up yer arse"

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:15
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

That is totally irrelevant to your appeal. You're not appealing what the ref didn't do, you're appealing what he did do to your lad.

Whether he F***** up or not beforehand is irrelevant.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:16
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

They can't act against Mascherno - thems the rules.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:16
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Not saying he F***ed up. Saying he got it right. He's a proffesional so he should know what's violent and what isn't. We may have claimed on the basis that he got the first one right but the second one wrong. Afterall he is human.

ladyinred Posted on 27/02/2008 13:17
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

There seems to be some confusion over whether or not the ref saw both incidents. The commentators said that he heard the nearby Liverpool fans making a commotion and went over to Aliadiere. He didn't hesitate with his red card for him but why not also for Mascherano who in effect was retaliating because Aliadiere clipped him - accidentally? Anyone who has watched Mascherano playing either for Argentina or Liverpool must know that he is a very 'physical' (I won't say dirty although that's what I think) player. But of course he gets away with it. Referees are afraid to upset 'big' clubs in case they lose ground in their league table.

In my view there was a clear case for the referee to admit that he made a mistake and reduce the red to a yellow whether or not he dished one out retrospectively for Mascherano. Bigger men than him have changed their minds after the game on reflection - and on seeing on video replay what actually happened. He was obviously intimidated by the closeness of the home fans - what a wimp!

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:20
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Slapping someone can't be viewed as anything other than violent conduct.

Elbows, over the top challenges - you can argue the toss that they are accidental. But to stand in front of a bloke, look him in the eye and slap him? Banged to rights.

br14 Posted on 27/02/2008 13:22
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

They could act against Mascherano if the ref hadnt seen the initial incident and therefore hadnt dealt with Mascheranos action.

The fact the ref claims (according to one newspaper) to have seen the full incident is proof positive the ref is a tosser who was playing to the home fans.

As far as I'm concerned, if you grab my face in anger you are acting violently and deserve what you get.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:22
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Aye but if you use a proffesional's opinion (the ref) you could argue that it wasn't violent. You can argue it, but it's most likely the decision will stand. But to say you can't appeal and give you another ban is outrageous when you look at other appeals. Like a blatent handball.

br14 Posted on 27/02/2008 13:24
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I didnt see much difference between the two actions. Mascherano grabbed Aliadiers face violently and squeezed. Not sure how that differs from a slap that didnt even make contact

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:25
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

JigSaw - we've gone through that further up.

Look at the other thread about the handball - you can see why Cole appealed and why that maybe wasn't viewed as frivolous.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:28
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

You didn't answer it though. I'm not saying we should argue the toss about Mascherano's sending off. Merely point out he didn't for a similar attack. Point out the ref is a proffesional and that if he didn't feel that was a sending off then that's fair enough. But he is still setting a precedent. One which can be used to argue that he made a mistake later on.

Who else should we go to seek what is violent and what is not but a ref?

kermit Posted on 27/02/2008 13:30
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I don't think the FA have handled it right by giving him a 4 game ban, ridiculous!

If they want to reject it then fine, 3 game ban, but to increase it is a disgrace.

So many players get away with alsorts, Adebayour for lashing his own team mate, Barton for assault, Essiens appeal rejected but no further action.

That 'slap' and appeal gets a 4 match ban and Mascherano who started it all walks away with nothing despite grabbing Aliadieres face for no reason so Ali clipped him back.

Boro obviously thought they had a case because they debated it a while and they mention how they spoke to plenty of people within the game and also heard comments of many pundits and believed they had a case.

I agree with everything Lamb said, if they rejected the appeal I don't think there'd be as much commotion, probably just well we didn't think we'd definitely win the appeal, but to give Ali and extra game ban is a farce.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:30
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I'm not sure how you can say slapping someone isn't an act of violence. It is. And the ref thought it was.

Again, his fook up with Mascherano is irrelevent to your appeal.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:31
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The club may have said he didn't fk up with Mascherano. That's the point.

Lefty Posted on 27/02/2008 13:33
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

It was just a bit of handbags, wasn't it Mick?

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:37
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

It was but you can't slap someone.

Where do you draw the line - open hand yellow, closed fist red?

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:38
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Doesn;t matter - whatever the club said about Mascherano it's irrelvent.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 13:40
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

"They can't act against Mascherno - thems the rules." -- why not, its happened before where the FA have taken the wording of a referees report and manipulated such that they can act on the incident. I can't remember which team it was, but it wasn't a big team (surprise!), they retrospectively banned a player, even though the referee made note of the incident in his match report and didn't give a red. I made a mental note at the time (not a good one because I can't remember the specifics) that the FA had in fact over-ruled a referees decision.

What we have is a situation where the FA are seen to give their blessing to acts of unsporting behaviour and gamesmanship. Of course thats nothing new, they didn't act against Ronaldo for his dive at the riverside 18 months ago and allowed the booking to stay on Boatengs name for the second dive.

Personally I think a lot of problems in the game would be stamped out if they just reviewed every red and yellow card post match, and for good measure dished out red and yellows the ref missed.


JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:41
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

No it's not. When applying laws you should always look for precedent.

If I was up for robbing a house, got done and got 20 years and then found out someone else had done the same house and got off with a slap on the wrist (or chin) I would be well peeved.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 13:43
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

But this is football.

When you appeal a decision you're doing just that, not what he may or may not have missed beforehand. That's the way the process works.

JigSaw Posted on 27/02/2008 13:44
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Not saying he missed anything. Just saying that according to a paid pro he didn't deem a raised hand to be a red card. They could have picked the incident from any game.

Anyway, I'm going in the shower.

Hugs and kisses.


Lefty Posted on 27/02/2008 13:47
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

'Where do you draw the line'

The punishment should fit the crime. Ignoring the quite correct technical points you are making, do you think it does?


Peachy Posted on 27/02/2008 13:48
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

At the end of the day the correct action would have been Mascherano yellow and Ali red. In future if this happens Ali should be encouraged to go down poleaxed. The FA will have brought this sort of action on themselves. We should also encourage our own players to tweak the oppositions noses then wait for the retaliation then go down. Everything the FA has done is encouraging just this response.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 13:59
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

exactly Peaches, the FA is propogating a culture of cheating and gamesmanship.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 14:02
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Lefty - I do yes.

Lefty Posted on 27/02/2008 14:16
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

A 4 match ban for that is reasonable???

Not like you that, you usually talk more sense. I think you've been hanging around with too many referees and comedians.


Peachy Posted on 27/02/2008 14:20
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

here's a question - what happens if on his first game back Aliadiere tweaks an opponents nose ? The FA have set a precendent of inaction for what at best is ungentlemanly conduct. I don't think anyone would have argued with Mascherano yellow Ali red.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 14:21
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

No - a three match ban is reasonable.

It's the club's fault it's a 4 match ban.

Lefty Posted on 27/02/2008 14:40
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Are you saying that if you were some sort of omnipotent referee/disciplinary panel all rolled into one, you would deem that a reasonable punishment for what Aliadiere did, in the context of the situation, deserved a 3 match ban?


mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 14:42
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I would - he slapped the fella.

It was petulant, childish and there's no place in the game for it.

piquet2 Posted on 27/02/2008 14:44
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Looked to me like he was waving Mascherano away, like you would to an annoying fly.

Peachy Posted on 27/02/2008 14:45
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The ref is squarely to blame here - Mascherano had to get a yellow - that's where the injustice is. Also increasing the ban is just rubbing salt into the wound. No one will argue that Ali didn't deserve red - Southgate said as much anyway.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 14:47
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

So it was pointless and frivolous to appeal then.

Peachy Posted on 27/02/2008 14:53
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I think the appeal came because there was provocation which the ref acknowledged that he saw but chose to do nothing about. Mascherano should have been booked for ungentlemanly conduct. I suppose taking things at face value it was pointless yes. The point is that the FA have opened a can of worms as it seems like tweaking a players nose is OK now. If it happens again they will be expected to take no action which means it can be done with impunity by all.

AlBoro1984 Posted on 27/02/2008 14:58
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

So if someone was standing infront of you squeezing your face you would just stand there and take it Mick? He gave him a little slap to get him to pack it in, a decent ref would of just had a little chat with them both. Unfortunately some refs these days seem to think the crowd pay money to see them and act the big man. You'd think he put on some knuckle dusters and smashed his face in the way the FA are going on.

Lefty Posted on 27/02/2008 15:01
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

So what, if anything, would be a fair punishment for Mascherano, Mick?

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 15:07
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

A yellow, but the ref didn't give it, so nowt now.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 15:11
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

thats two weeks running htat refs at Anfield have failed to apply the law, even though it's blatently obvious they should. First one of them fails to give Barnsley the most blatent penalty ever, eben though he is only 4 yards away and has an unobstructed view. Now he fails to take actiuon over the unsporting and ungentlemanly behaviour of Mascherano.

Refs are scared little pussies, the fookin lot of em.

Sleaford Posted on 27/02/2008 15:15
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

To be fair Boromart the midweek ref gave them every decision for the Champ League game as well. In the first half everytime the crowd screamed the linesmans flag went up.

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 15:21
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

yeah I forgot about that. One thing I've noticed about the big 4, there defenders are allowed, to pull, grab, climb over, nudge and generally manhandle teh opposition forwards without evena freekick. But if one of our players farts in the general direction of them it's a yellow card.

Lefty Posted on 27/02/2008 15:30
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

A 3 match ban compared to just a yellow card for those two offences makes me severely question your judgement.

wilkos_perm Posted on 27/02/2008 15:32
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Mick you appear to be suggesting that you are content with the way the FA go about their business in terms of length of bans and you seem to be acceprting inconsistencies. I find that astonishing.

Every week there are situations where certain things go unpunished but lesser offences suffer unfair punishment. I think the whole system needs an overhaul. Why can't these things be looked at objectively.

You also appear to support a system whereby an appeal can result in an additional punishment. This is totally wrong. A club should not have to balance off the fact that they believe they have been unfairly treated against the fear of further punishment.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 15:34
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Where's the inconsistencies?

The system where an appeal can lead to a further ban is known by the clubs. Fair enough in my eyes.

piquet2 Posted on 27/02/2008 15:35
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Apparently the FA's statement said the appeal had no chance of success, sounds like a premeditated decision to me.

Lefty Posted on 27/02/2008 15:39
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I've got no problem with the appeal panel being able to impose an additional punishment. Clubs were appealing against every red card in the past because they had nowt to lose.

wilkos_perm Posted on 27/02/2008 15:41
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Where are the inconsistencies? Do you actually watch football?

Why do you believe it is fair to an extend a ban as a result of a failed appeal?

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 15:47
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

The ref was inconsistent - the FA weren't.

Not every failed appeal, just those taking the P***.

Lefty Posted on 27/02/2008 15:56
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Personally, if I'd been on that panel, I'd have looked at that red card and like most of the rest of the country except Mick, thought 'jesus, rules are rules and we've got to back our referee's, but a 3 match ban is already more than enough for THAT, there's no way I've got the neck to increase it.'

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 15:59
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

"Mick you appear to be suggesting that you are content with the way the FA go about their business in terms of length of bans and you seem to be acceprting inconsistencies." -- Mick has changed his tune, he was right behind Big Fat Sam and his statistics about decisions in favour of the big 4, when he was manager at the Reebok.


wilkos_perm Posted on 27/02/2008 15:59
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

sorry do the FA not employ the refs?

why can't the Liverpool player be given the same ban after looking at it again?

as a football supporter you are really happy for 3 match bans to be handed out for such incidents? anybody with a sane mind can see that is a joke wheter it is currently in the rules or not.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 16:04
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Mart - that's got nowt to do with this. This thread was on about Lamb and the appeal.

Wilko - Maschereno can;t be done for it after the event as the ref saw it and deemed it not worthy of action.

wilkos_perm Posted on 27/02/2008 16:07
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Mick i think people here are generally questioning the sanity of the rules currently in place whereas you just keep repeating them.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 16:11
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

What should the rules be then?


woodymfc Posted on 27/02/2008 16:12
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

are you getting nose bleeds ste 171

wilkos_perm Posted on 27/02/2008 16:17
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

the rules should be more flexible Mick to allow sensible decision making with regard to bans and acting on video evidence despite the conclusions of the referee in the heat of the moment.
It is a game involving human error and passion and referrees are not robots.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 16:19
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

I'm all for restrospective bans.

Doesn't alter the fact that the ref was correct with your lad and your appeal was bollox

sasboro1 Posted on 27/02/2008 16:22
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

players should wear a touch sensitive pressure suit. so the length of ban can be decided by how hard the impact was.

In all this bollox on here, if aliadiere hadnt done what he did he wouldnt be banned. Good to see southgate has been professional in all this and kept quiet apart from saying he deserved to be sent off. pity the chairman and chief exec cant do the same.

It will be a blessing as we will now score more goals with mido/alves in there with tuncay and everyone will be wondering what the fuss is all about

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 16:28
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

it's got everything to do with it mick. You played the big-4 conspiracy card when it suited you. Today you decide that their isn't a big-4 bias. It makes your argument lack credibility.

No one is seriously stating that Ali shouldn't have been sent of. What is in question is should it have been a 3 match ban for violent conduct or a 1 match ban for ungentlemanly conduct.

People are entrenched in their views on tthis one. Hopefully the FA will come to their senses and drop back to a 3 match ban on appeal.

mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 16:30
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Never said there was or wasn't a big four bias. And again don't see how that bias if there is one, had owt to do with your bloke getting sent off.

You saying he only got violent conduct because he was a Boro player?


mickbrown Posted on 27/02/2008 16:32
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

"Hopefully the FA will come to their senses and drop back to a 3 match ban on appeal."

And that's really going to happen after what your chairman called them isn't it?

Blain87 Posted on 27/02/2008 16:32
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Some people appear to be very stupid.

'Aliadiere shouldn't have done it'

'The rules say...'

We F***ing know!!!

Nobody is arguing that Ali did the right thing in slapping him or that the rules say any different than a 3 match ban!!

1.We are aggreived at the fact that the ref saw what Mascherano did and didn't punish it.

2.We are aggreived at the fact that the FA turned down Essiens appeal but never banned him. Then saw fit to ban Ali further.

sasboro1 Posted on 27/02/2008 16:33
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

so are we appealing on the decision from the appeal? if so will that mean he gets a 5 game ban?

TMG501 Posted on 27/02/2008 16:43
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

Lets be patient and wait for a Bolton controversy and how mickbrown reacts

Boromart Posted on 27/02/2008 17:04
Keith Lamb on the ALIADIERE situation.

"four bias. And again don't see how that bias if there is one, had owt to do with your bloke getting sent off." -- we are not saying it had anything to do with the sending off (although it did have to do with Mascherano not being sent off, but thats another matter), we are saying the way our appeal has been heard is subject to us not being part of the big 4. Cashley and Essiens appeals were heard in a differant light and the decision was not decided prior to the hearing.

"You saying he only got violent conduct because he was a Boro player?" - No, I'm saying they decided to treat the appeal as frivolous as a warning to all other smaller clubs not to appeal against sending offs.

They had the same opportunity with Essien and Cole but chose not to take that stance, no surprise there. It's just like when the FA decided not to punish Manure for agressively chasing a referee and snarling in his face. Rather than make an example out of them, they told everyone that if it happens in future they will be punished. Could you imagine if a small club had done that, they would have had the book thrown at them, points deducted the lot.

When there is a judgment call, (and how to treat the Ali appeal was a judgement call) they do not apply punishments in a fair and even handed manner. that is plain to see.