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Bernie_was_right Posted on 10/03/2010 14:51
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So lets get this straight.

A group of lads get togther to try & create some atmosphere in a moribund stadium

They sing, and then get letters telling them to be quiet.

They bring flags but get told the messages on them aren`t allowed.

They congregate in a particular area and the club stops selling tickets for that part of the ground.

They bring a drum & it gets banned.

They bring a megaphone and someone at the club (Neil Bausor?) curls one off into it.

The people who run our club make me fcucking sick.


sasboro1 Posted on 10/03/2010 14:52
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what has littlejohn got to say on the matter?

Renrut Posted on 10/03/2010 14:53
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The club is a sinking ship, having good supporters that makes noise and enjoys themselves, is wrong, pure and simple.

We all must sink together [^]

Muttley Posted on 10/03/2010 14:55
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You want to stick to copying what LITTLEJOHN thinks, you're just embarrassing yourself.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 10/03/2010 14:56
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I'm not suprised... They should sit down and then maybe they would get their drum back

Top_Dog Posted on 10/03/2010 14:56
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It is rather sickening to think about it like.

'Ban the atmosphere'

King_Ricard Posted on 10/03/2010 14:57
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Pretty much bernie, bare in mind that MFC wanted a drum and a megaphone originally.. and pushed for us to source them.

Were not the happy middle class consumer fan that some at MFC want so were hassled constantly.

Its interesting that the SEC is only now deemed a high risk area when years and years of sell out crowds and seg areas of a few seats it was deemed fine.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 10/03/2010 14:57
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"what has littlejohn got to say on the matter?"

Is that going to be your stock response from now on?

sasboro1 Posted on 10/03/2010 14:58
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yes, cos its as boring as the littlejohn threads everyday

John67 Posted on 10/03/2010 14:58
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Think this is the first time I have agreed with Bernie. Although he is still a nasty, thick little bellend though. [:(!] [V]

Jerry_Brown Posted on 10/03/2010 15:00
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"Its interesting that the SEC is only now deemed a high risk area when years and years of sell out crowds and seg areas of a few seats it was deemed fine."

You can't work it out?

erimus74 Posted on 10/03/2010 15:00
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Bought my son a ST near to the red faction and the girl in the ticket office told me they're not too keen selling tickets to groups of kids in that area.

North stand is quiet all the time, all you can hear is the red faction brigade against the away fans.

These fans will soon get fed up of little hitlers, or the clubs anti noice/celebrate policy and stop going to atmosphereless matches, then we'll have a ground full of people moaning.

I suppose it'll keep the posters who post on here complaining happy.

Renrut Posted on 10/03/2010 15:07
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Why has the approach of the club changed so much?

I remeber flag days and nights, everyone wear red, bring a flag, make as much noise as you can. Sometimes it was the atmosphere that won games and got us where we were, I have no doubts about that.

The old maritime music, foam fingers (cringe) but so what, they added to it aswell.

What the hell is wrong with the club? Managers and players having a go at the fans asking for more noise and support, do they know about the efforts of the club to dampen the atmosphere so much?

This Saturday should have been a flag day, and EVERY effort made by the club to get the fans there giving 100% support.

People can go back to Ayrsome and say the atmosphere there was better or whatever, but we've all seen brilliant atmospheres at the riverside, it doesn't even need to be full.

toxic_bob Posted on 10/03/2010 15:10
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Agree with John67 on both counts.

King_Ricard Posted on 10/03/2010 15:13
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The problem is, we have now had a generation grow up knowing only to celebrate when the club orchastrates them to do so (Pigbag etc).

We also have a club who views us as customers rather than supporters. Gate money has little or no comparison to the funding the club gets from TV/SKY/Sponsors etc.

MFC want customers, who spend money and dont make a fuss. Customers who make there life easy. The SEC lot and other fans make the clubs life dificult by wanting to wave flags, by wanting to stand up by not being affraid to challenge them if we dont agree with there actions.

They dont want us to support only to consume there produce from the club shop/bars/food outlets.

erimus74 Posted on 10/03/2010 15:14
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It seems to day fan moan power wins the day, 'I don't want to sit next tom fans singing too load' or 'that bloody drummer'etc.

These people are writing to the club and complaining, the information is then passed on to the stewards who thrive on it and hey presto, no standing on the back row, no flags other then Boro are great, no singing/shouting unless we have scored or have a corner, they have rid the RS of the little atmosphere that was left[V]

glur Posted on 10/03/2010 15:19
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I have written a piece for this weeks FMTTM on this and related issues. I'm glad I sent it to Rob last night or he would have assumed I copied and pasted a lot of it!


MightyDuck Posted on 10/03/2010 15:20
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drum = bad, megaphone = bad.

ban em all

King_Ricard Posted on 10/03/2010 15:21
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The club officially recieved 20 complaints from all areas of the stadium regarding the drum.

Permission for its use was withdrawn imedietley. Due to people blackmailing the club with threats of non renewal etc.

Over 150 people at least from the SEC/RF forum all contacted the club infavour of the drum and asking for it to be allowed. MFC refused to budge on the matter.

King_Ricard Posted on 10/03/2010 15:22
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Glur, anychance you can stick it up on the RF forum?

flyermetothemoon Posted on 10/03/2010 15:22
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It's a f00kin digrace.

Someone should let Mr Vickers know about this.

The clubs a joke.

Imagine these prats who work for the club trying to kill the atmosphere at grounds abroard such as Italy or Turkey.

They would get strung up alive.
I for one would give them a hand.

Riverside is turning into a nusery school FFS[:(!]

glur Posted on 10/03/2010 15:24
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King Ricard - will do later on.

EDIT: After Sat! Support your local fanzine [^]

John_Neals_bit_on_the_side Posted on 10/03/2010 15:25
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Sat near those Red Fiction lads, and they did me fecking napper. One of em started shouting to us to sing, so we politely told em to feck off. If i had wanted to sing I would have bought a cheaper ticket and stood in the North stand. Instead we all wanted a bit of peace and quiet and sit and watch the match without a bunch of bumfluff on a youth club outing telling us different.

Ban em!

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 10/03/2010 15:28
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Just don't go to home games. Spend your £20 on an accumulator and sit in watching Soccer Saturday. Use any proceeds to fund away games where there still is an atmosphere.

You can sit and drink in your own front room as well, sometimes I bang a drum and order food from the kitchen with a megaphone just because I can.

Renrut Posted on 10/03/2010 15:29
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Wheres the harm in the South stand officially being the noisey area, as the club have previously said they'd be happy to allocate [?]

Then in future, if you want peace and quiet you know not to sit near them [?]

Renrut Posted on 10/03/2010 15:30
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Then again, if you want peace and quiet, why are you going to a football match? [?]

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 10/03/2010 15:31
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Glur, anychance you can stick it up on the RF forum?

buy the fanzine?

Genghis_Khan Posted on 10/03/2010 15:31
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I like most of what they do but the drum was schite, accept it, move on and come up with something new.... the balloon stuff the banik fans did was brilliant. Fancy dress like the barmy army... anything that gets a bit of craic going. Do a conga! ...come up with something like the baggies boing boing!

You need to make it a group all young fans want to join... the Teesside ultras! you need an identity.

John_Neals_bit_on_the_side Posted on 10/03/2010 15:32
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Because we chose to. And we dont like a bunch of idiots sat near us. Why dont they go and sit in the North stand. Their kind aint welcome...so move along now.

I always find shiite like these groups rather cringing.

djlocky9999 Posted on 10/03/2010 15:32
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the problem is the superb acoustics of the riverside mean that a drum banged in one corner can mean the people in the west can't hear themselves talking. [xx(]

they'll be begging for the drum back next season when there is only 8000 season ticket holders.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 10/03/2010 15:33
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"Think this is the first time I have agreed with Bernie. Although he is still a nasty, thick little bellend though"

Cheeky Chunt. I`m 6ft tall.

John_Neals_bit_on_the_side Posted on 10/03/2010 15:36
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is that in ya heels?

Renrut Posted on 10/03/2010 15:39
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Pretty much everything to do with football fans and atmosphere is cringeworth, grown blokes going to watch a game and singing at the top of their voice, wearing bright colours, and crying when you lose.

It's all cringeworthy, but when you are part of it, it's great, and when you see other teams fans making a great atmosphere you wish it was our fans.

Seeing a pair of old farts putting a blanket over their knees and getting their flask out makes me cringe, but i'd never write to the club and complain about having to squeeze past them to my seat, or being put off by the smell of soup, they've as much right to be there doing what they like as anyone else has.


John_Neals_bit_on_the_side Posted on 10/03/2010 15:41
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I take a blanket, but its what I do underneath it that excites me.

skiprat Posted on 10/03/2010 15:44
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Got no problems with them at all, good to see someone trying to get an atmosphere going.

The North stand is like a morgue and has been for some time.

One thing that annoys me about these fans that are singing though, why get annoyed when no-one joins in? There are a few absolute dickheads in the North that get well wound up of no-one else joins them. If you want to sing then do so, people will join in when they fancy it.

Don_the_Jeweller Posted on 10/03/2010 15:45
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Since we moved to the Riverside the club cut the throats of the working class.
Treated like scum, abandoned .
Very strange decision considering we are a working class town.
There only interested in middle class customers who spend a lot with them.
You cant have all of one & none of the other.
They should have segregated the stands years ago similar to Europe where all the loons, singers passionate fans etc have an end to go in & they dont upset people who arnt interested in that.

UKLL1981 Posted on 10/03/2010 15:46
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How can anyone take them seriously when some of them stuck videos of themselves on youtube trying to look hard? They are about 12 years old FFS.

Some of them think they are Frontline lite.

King_Ricard Posted on 10/03/2010 15:47
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where are these videos?

There are a fair few stuck up of the group singing or waving flags but none of anyone trying to look hard haahh I wish, im 26 and couldnt look hard if i was covered in concrete.

erimus74 Posted on 10/03/2010 15:48
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Sat near those Red Fiction lads, and they did me fecking napper. One of em started shouting to us to sing, so we politely told em to feck off. If i had wanted to sing I would have bought a cheaper ticket and stood in the North stand. Instead we all wanted a bit of peace and quiet and sit and watch the match without a bunch of bumfluff on a youth club outing telling us different.

Ban em!

John_Neals_bit_on_the_side You're joking[^][V]

John_Neals_bit_on_the_side Posted on 10/03/2010 16:17
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I never joke. I want to sit and watch my footy in peace and quiet, with a nice cup of Carte Noir and a bag of M & M's. I protest to young men with tracksuit bottoms tucked into their Matalan socks, shouting in my ear and claiming they are the Red Faction.
We just want to be left alone.

erimus74 Posted on 10/03/2010 17:28
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I want to sit and watch my footy in peace and quiet

Now I think I know your identity, do you work at the club,and are you called Sue?

joebonano Posted on 10/03/2010 18:01
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I wonder what the nugget Bausor and his cronies think when they see a bouncing atmosphere in a football ground which without doubt adds to the atmosphere and sense of occasion[remember Liverpool league cup semi].
Do these w****** actually think " we dont want any of that in our ground"
I have no idea what the hell they are on.The worse the atmosphere is a discouragement for people to attend.If they dont believe me they should try the Darlo arena as an example of how bad a football match experience can get.

Peachy Posted on 10/03/2010 18:13
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There has been a deliberate and orchestrated attempt by the club to get rid of the red faction lads and the people to blame are other supporters who don't like singing and people within the club who know nothing at all about football. If I was one of the lads I would be tempted to spend my money elsewhere.

1finny Posted on 10/03/2010 18:47
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It is a poor state of affairs when the club and some of our own fans are happy to reduce the atmosphere even further at the Riverside.
Someone needs to find some common ground.
The aim - get some noise going without annoying some fans.
Sounds relatively simple to me.

dodger Posted on 10/03/2010 18:52
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Our club is becoming infested by officials with non jobs trying to justify themselves.

They are bred at a farm near Scotton with equality/ diversity officers , respect awareness co-ordinators etc.

They hold banal meetings and inflict their misery on us after Mr & Mrs Boringcoont have complained that they swallowed a full werthers original in shock when some rough types were singing "get into 'em and XXXXXX 'em up".


flyermetothemoon Posted on 10/03/2010 19:09
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Dodger

[^][^]

Does make you wonder if Gibson has any dealings with the club.
Looks like he just leaves it to the jobsworths & Keith Lamb[sad]

kennymix Posted on 10/03/2010 19:14
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I want to sit and watch my footy in peace and quiet, with a nice cup of Carte Noir and a bag of M & M's. I protest to young men with tracksuit bottoms tucked into their Matalan socks, shouting in my ear and claiming they are the Red Faction.
We just want to be left alone.

so red faction aside you sit by the away fans for this then??

Sorry state of affairs this agree there have been some belting atmospheres at both the riverside & ayresome

but all this people complaining that other fans are too noisy ffs its a football stadium thats what happens their if you don't like it go somewhere else

could you imagine what response you would get at old trafford anfield or even at Northern Echo Darlington Arena if you told people to sit down & shut up you'd get told where to go & not very politely either

The hairs on the back of my neck used to stand on end when the riverside is in full swing sad thing is it hasnt happened in a long long time [|)]

gizasqueezemister Posted on 10/03/2010 20:01
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Im 40 and my son is 14 on his first season ticket this season. We sat in the West Upper against QPR for a change (our debut in there). When we got our first pen we both stood up - and then realised we were the only ones stood up. We obviously didnt make the same mistake twice. Fair play to them if thats how the W.U. brigade want to support the club but ffs how anyone can have a pop at the R.F. is beyond me. Takes me back to the boys end or middle of the Holgate. If you didn't like it you didnt go there. My youngun is definitley considering a swap from the North to the SE corner next season. If the disenters get their way its another nail in footballs coffin [DFS]

SirHumptyofDumpty Posted on 10/03/2010 20:06
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I'd love to see people make me sit down for a penalty....saying that i run the west stand lower [8D]

red_shamrock Posted on 10/03/2010 20:07
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I t seems the right sort of group to Join[^]

Bloated_Jesus Posted on 10/03/2010 20:15
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The club appears to hate it's fans

women_are_dirty Posted on 10/03/2010 23:08
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The club embarrass themselves again. They don’t seem to understand that the atmosphere is what attracts people to the game.

homesickblues Posted on 10/03/2010 23:18
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Original poster forgot to add
Cause aggro outside the ground
Pick fights with old men
cost the club money due to the requirement for additional stewards.

standards Posted on 10/03/2010 23:20
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its just as easy to make noise sat down as it is stood up, like Hollands Orange fans have done for years



lambethred Posted on 10/03/2010 23:42
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love the noise the red faction make. it adds some atmosphere and at the moment the ground needs it. if the club engaged with them then any problems could be ironed out over time and that enthusiasm could be harnessed very positively. i know some folk love peace and quiet but there's a time and place and a footie ground is not one of them.

Uncle_Cracker Posted on 10/03/2010 23:44
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we shall overcome [^]

joebonano Posted on 10/03/2010 23:57
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If the club had the slightest degree of intelligence as an organisation they would invite fans to attend open meetings between now and the end of the season and put to them a series of possibilities concerning ticket pricing, season cards,having a "noisy" section etc etc.
They have done nothing.There is no dialogue with the fan base,little communication with the fans at all and on not a single occasion this season have they tried to put on a ticket price offer.
Whoever is involved with marketing should be kicked out because they are not earning their wages,
I heard this guy Bausor on the radio today for the first time.I think the club are getting nervous about how many more will chuck in their ST's but they really need to speak to the fans.This chasm between the club and the fans needs to be bridged otherwise the drift away from the club will continue.

SirHumptyofDumpty Posted on 11/03/2010 00:59
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joe i think thats exactly what the club have been doing for the past 6 months. The boro bar is the result of such meetings.

gizasqueezemister Posted on 11/03/2010 03:50
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The Boro Bar = increased profit not increased atmosphere. What a silly argument [?]

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 11/03/2010 08:25
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Extra stewards? All they do is stand and watch the RF standing up? MFC should just leave them be!

King_Ricard Posted on 11/03/2010 09:09
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Also just to clear up some of the lies posted in this thread. The RF have never started any aggro outside the ground nor have any of its members been involved in fighting old fellas.

SirHumptyofDumpty Posted on 11/03/2010 09:20
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giz a squeeze i don't think you understand. joe said the club need to listen to the fans....they have....a consequence of which is the bar which was demanded by the fans. The club listened and obliged.

newyddion Posted on 11/03/2010 09:21
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The club and the fans are a total embarrassment.

fatharrywhite Posted on 11/03/2010 09:25
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i'm delighted they've banned that XXXXXXing annoying drum. Anyone who brings any instrument into the crowd should be pummelled to death.

If it was used to start songs then fair enough but just beating ten shades out of it constantly for 90 mins didnt bring anything to the atmosphere.


Vena Posted on 11/03/2010 09:27
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The red faction are a bit cringe worth but so what! they have just as much right to enjoy there match day experience as anyone else, they must realise tho that bullying people to join in is not the answer.

This season is a write-off now, the club should use the remaining games to experiment with new ideas.

Next season there needs to be massive changes to seating and rules.

Vary the prices massivly for differnt areas of the ground, eg. Make the SE corner 10 Per game for Under 17's is one idea,

SOMETHING SERIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE DONE or we will be lucky to sell 5k ST's next season. MFC must you must know this so pull your XXXXXXing finger out and inspire the fans.

It seems to me the club is happily plodding along and not listening to us or are not competent enough to find soloutions.

joebonano Posted on 11/03/2010 09:34
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Vena this is how I see it as well.There is only one certainty-that if they do nothing there will be a big fall off,an even worse atmosphere in the ground which discourages people from attending.
They have to try something new, a different approach otherwise the decline will just continue.

Buddy Posted on 11/03/2010 09:36
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What Genghis and harry said.

There's no better sound in the world than a football crowd in full cry, singing, screaming at the ref or the opposition's wind-up merchant, going fking mental when a last minute goal secures a European final.

Thumping a bloody drum for an hour and a half isn't part of that. It's just noise for the sake of it.

I rather suspect that anyone who only goes to home games and wants a lesson in what a football atmosphere should sound like will get it on Saturday.

fatharrywhite Posted on 11/03/2010 09:39
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"even worse atmosphere in the ground which discourages people from attending."

that's utter bullXXXXXX i'm afraid to say. Fans will return when we have any chance of getting promotion, it's XXXXXX all to do with the atmosphere. It's been XXXXXXe for a long time, including the season we finished 7th.


joebonano Posted on 11/03/2010 09:49
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The point I'm trying to make is that if ST renewals drop to sub 10000 as I believe they will we could start off next year with opening crowds of 13 or 14 thou.In such a big stadium which a club can only get nearing to fill for attractive fixtures in the PL it will look and feel awful.
It does nothing to attract people in.Try a visit to the Darlo arena.It is without doubt the worst football "experience" you could wish for and is one of the reasons people say they dont want to go.
Obviously the product on the pitch is always the most important matter but if the club do nothing to try and create some forward momentum to get fans to renew their tickets and get more people there they are being bloody stupid in my view.

toxic_bob Posted on 11/03/2010 09:57
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Fatharrywhite, I'm afraid you're wrong, at least in my case. The primary reason why I don't go to home matches is ATMOSPHERE (lack of). I haven't been to the Riverside since the second leg against Steaua. I go to football for
1) Crack
2) Having a bit of a sing
3) Getting lashed
4) Hopefully seeing a decent game
In the presence of 1), 2) and 3), 4) doesn't really matter - I've seen enough cack at Ayresome in my time and enjoyed most of it.

The Riverside is a f*cking sh*t football experience - away games only for me.

The_same_as_before Posted on 11/03/2010 10:03
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I agree with most of that apart that AP was as dull as the Riverside 99.24% of the time.

When a steward walked 40 yards to tell a 6 yo infront of me to sit down, I gave up.

toxic_bob Posted on 11/03/2010 10:05
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TSAB - not in my experience, although I was young, p*ssed, leery and having the time of my life, so I may not have noticed.

Where are the opportunities for the young, p*ssed and leery at the Riverside??

The_same_as_before Posted on 11/03/2010 10:13
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I agree with that, none. And whatever you do, do not stand on the yellow lines with a pint in your hand.

joebonano Posted on 11/03/2010 11:56
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What made you fall in love with football as a kid?.For me it wasnt so much the game itself but the singing, atmosphere and noise of the crowd.Even the anger and aggression.
If you take that out and all that is left is about 12000 people sat in a one third full stadium with no atmosphere how will you attract kids and teenagers.it's less exciting than hanging about on street corners with their mates

newyddion Posted on 11/03/2010 12:00
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FREE ENTRY INTO THE RIVERSIDE.

BRING A FLAG, BRING A FRIEND & MAKE SOME NOISE [ref]

Smoggy68 Posted on 11/03/2010 12:10
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Couldnt agree more Joebanano.

For me the attraction of football was and still is the atmosphere of the crowd rather than results.

Sadly the atmosphere has now gone and the clubs continued efforts to stamp out any efforts to generate an atmosphere have reluctantly led me to come to the very very sad decision to not return to the Riverside next season (after being a regular at Boro matches since 1986). I am gutted about this and feel as though a major part of me has been ripped away from me by the clubs attitude to fans.

Wil go to the odd away game but thats about all. I now feel as though the club do not want my support unless it involves buying merchandise and sitting in silence.

Very sad state of affairs.

shaunb86 Posted on 11/03/2010 12:14
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I am of the similar opinion smoggy mate. I will only return until they completely change their attitude.

FaslaneRed Posted on 11/03/2010 12:54
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Away games are the way forward [^]Leave the morgue to the prawn sarnie brigade

joebonano Posted on 11/03/2010 13:05
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The one problem with that is that the ticket money for away games goes exclusively to the home club so Boro dont get a penny piece.
You are helping the teams we are in competition with and I for one dont like that.

FaslaneRed Posted on 11/03/2010 13:16
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If i'm entirely honest, i'm not too bothered about where my money is going to these days. I'd much rather pay for a good day out with the lads to an away game than torture myself by sitting in our ground for 90 minutes. Just my feelings on the subject though.

Billy69_uk Posted on 11/03/2010 13:32
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the XXXXXXing drum was a stoopid idea implemented by morons.

Now a nice harp or chello to acompany a match day would be simply delightfull

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 11/03/2010 13:40
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I went to the Peterborough away game this season. It was great. Everything the Riverside isn't. The general sense of excitement at being on a terrace was really noticable.

As others have said, I hardly bother with home games anymore. If there's no atmosphere, then what's the point? You'd wouldn't go for the entertainment.

sitheman Posted on 11/03/2010 13:53
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THIS GUY HAS GOT IT SPOT ON. ROB SHOULD PRINT THAT POST AND PUT IT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE FANZINE.

joebonano Posted on 11/03/2010 09:49
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The point I'm trying to make is that if ST renewals drop to sub 10000 as I believe they will we could start off next year with opening crowds of 13 or 14 thou.In such a big stadium which a club can only get nearing to fill for attractive fixtures in the PL it will look and feel awful.
It does nothing to attract people in.Try a visit to the Darlo arena.It is without doubt the worst football "experience" you could wish for and is one of the reasons people say they dont want to go.
Obviously the product on the pitch is always the most important matter but if the club do nothing to try and create some forward momentum to get fans to renew their tickets and get more people there they are being bloody stupid in my view.

susy Posted on 11/03/2010 13:55
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Has the drum really been banned?

Smoggy68 Posted on 11/03/2010 14:03
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Yes Susy. The drum has actually been banned.
Together with a megaphone.
Certain banners.
Flags over 1m x 1m
Flag poles in excess of 1m length.
The club has also tried vigorously to prevent fans from standing and banging on the back wall and has also scandalously stopped selling match day tickets into the South East Corner.
The club are also enforcing ticket checks on people enterng the south east corner.

susy Posted on 11/03/2010 14:05
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we were laffing the other week saying how Sue Watson wont be happy with all that flag waving, surely that would be too dangerous......we were taking the mickey, guess the club has lost its sense of humour!

junouk Posted on 11/03/2010 14:09
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I think the club have lost the plot all together.

Red faction have been isolated and from the outside been forced to leave the ground.

Is this because that stupid women was made to look a fool in the national press and radio for telling us we could only stand and sing when we score.

Now it seems they cant wave flags, because of what reason. maybe they think the sticks will snap and you might get a splinter.

The club have fallen back in to the old 1980s days. Geordies coming to town and they will show us how to sing and party. The club will do nothing.. oh no I forgot they are giving them a special area we are not allowed to go into outside the ground. We cant walk on the public footpath becuase the geordies are in town. Who gives a PHuq if they are here. I recon they will be 6000 + all over the stadium and they will take their shoes off and stand and sing for 2 hours. and good luck to em. they are having a day out.

We on the other hand will have our drum taken off us, the flags made to be left at the turnstile and the areas we are allowed to walk in reduced.

Its a mad mad world at the boro.

But lets be honest if we win 3-0 then thay can do anything they want lol.

The clubs treatment of some fans beggers belief but they will have some reason and justification for this. and one day they might even tell us why....

Vena Posted on 11/03/2010 14:22
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Someone please forward this thread to the club.

junouk Posted on 11/03/2010 14:26
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you think the club give a $hite about us and the fanzine.

We are all customers and a lot of us have had a season ticket they take for granted year on year.

So what the crowds have dropped to 15000 it not the clubs fault its the credit crunch.

How little they seem to know.

King_Ricard Posted on 11/03/2010 15:12
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The club constantly move the goal posts as to what is and isnt allowed with regards to the Red Faction. All under a veil of 'we support everything you are doing' etc etc

sitheman Posted on 11/03/2010 15:26
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So let me get this right. If I bring a flag that I bought from the club I would not be allowed to take it into the ground and wave it?

In that case what the XXXXXX is the point of the club selling flags?

EDIT - JUST REALISED IT REFERS TO 1M LENGTH POLES. XXXXXXS SAKE.

sitheman Posted on 11/03/2010 15:28
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What we should do it arrange for everybody to take a flag at a certain match. If 10,000 flags are getting taken through the turnstiles from 2.30-3.00 I would like to see 100 plus stewards try to meaure each flag and pole.

Total and utter joke this club is turning into. Why not let fans just be XXXXXXing fans.

King_Ricard Posted on 11/03/2010 15:35
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it also means flags have to be smaller than 1m squared or they require a fire certificate from Cleveland Fire Brigade.


levendale Posted on 11/03/2010 15:46
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It beggars belief that OUR club is trying to stop supporters supporting the club .

sitheman Posted on 11/03/2010 15:47
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I am sure all the flags at Old Trafford, Anfield etc all have fire certificates then.

How is it that Man U fans set off XXXXXXing flares at matches yet we are made to feel like a criminal for brining a can of coke or god forbit a 1.2 meter flag to a football match.

I am sure the authories must turn a blind eye to such things at football matches otherwise Anfield would have been shut down many years ago.


jonny_greenings_sock Posted on 11/03/2010 15:48
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I can barely believe I'm reading all this. Banning flags over 1m into a football ground because of fire risk? How the hell are you going to start a fire, with a lit also-banned cigarette? For christ's sake. RIP English football.

sitheman Posted on 11/03/2010 15:51
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Dont RIP English football. All other clubs are free to support the clubs as they wish. Our club are going for complete overkill.

Sue Watson was made to look like a XXXXXX and as a result she is getting her revenue by been petty as XXXXXX. I bet she stays up late at night looking at all the different rules and regulations that she can in order to win some pretty points with the red faction.

This needs to stop now. How tragic would it be if a Dad is taking his son to his first match and is stopped at the gates for having a 1.1 meter flag pole. Sorry son but you cannot bring that in.

flyermetothemoon Posted on 11/03/2010 16:03
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Has Rob got any views on this?

dmoore Posted on 11/03/2010 17:48
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I think we definatly need to email the club telling them are views.

Not that they would take any f**king notice mind[V]

MKredleaderOne Posted on 11/03/2010 17:55
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Vena

"SOMETHING SERIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE DONE or we will be lucky to sell 5k ST's next season."

That would be solved by getting rid of Strachan; not by allowing some numpty bang a drum badly.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 11/03/2010 17:58
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Has anyone got a link to these set of 'rules' and if not, how come everyone is aware of them?

I would be keen to have a look at the exact rules and not have to rely on say-so on here (not that I have any reason to disbelieve what is being written...)

outmac Posted on 11/03/2010 17:59
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I prefered the violins they had at half time
a few seasons ago than the drum .
When you opened the hamper it added to the
ambience.

istinitboro Posted on 11/03/2010 19:03
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Have you read Bernie Slaven's article in the Gazette tonight?He seems to be as bewildered as many of us are about MFC's suicidal attitude towards our supporters.The Red Faction are trying to create an atmosphere at the Riverside which has been sadly lacking in recent years.


SKEELO Posted on 11/03/2010 19:08
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A lot of home games this season i've seriously considered staying in the pub but i always end up going, the home matchday experience is very poor at the moment. I don't know what the answer is though, doing well on the pitch might help.[^]

OPEO Posted on 11/03/2010 20:31
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I used to sit on the back row in the NWU but got sick of the stewards telling us to sit down. Pure XXXXXXwits.

junouk Posted on 11/03/2010 20:33
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i have forwarded the thread to the club.

I have asked them for a statment on what is fact and what is fiction about the red faction, the drum, the flags and the clubs attempt to stop people coming together and supporting the club.

If they do reply i will let you know but i fear they will send anyone who has wrote to them about this a set email in the same way they did about the susan watson fiasco.

The club is dying and it is being poisened from the inside out. [V]

istinitboro Posted on 11/03/2010 20:48
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Well said junouk.We are not going to take it sitting down,excuse the pun.

dodger Posted on 11/03/2010 20:50
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[^] junouk , post the reply , if you get one pls.

erimus74 Posted on 11/03/2010 21:00
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Yes maybe the club are destroying the little atmosphere there is at the Riverside, but you have to ask the question, what is it with people who write to the club in the first place about fans singing/waving flags/jumping up and down/beating a drum etc.[V]

istinitboro Posted on 11/03/2010 21:03
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Geordies?

erimus74 Posted on 11/03/2010 21:05
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istinitboro[^]

comejoiners Posted on 11/03/2010 21:05
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Dont you think if you ask for the rules
the 1st 1 they will point out is that every ticket stipulates that te riverside is a an all seater stadium
and they play that card till every one sits down

erimus74 Posted on 11/03/2010 21:08
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And the only time you can bring a flag is when we, the club, have a bring a flag day[;)]
And the only time you can make a noise is when we have a corner, or score a goal[V]

istinitboro Posted on 11/03/2010 21:12
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Thanks Erimus like the Boro I need all the support I can get, being female and 62 years of age.I spent many a good night in your pub though Erimus. Memories, Memories.

junouk Posted on 11/03/2010 21:12
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I think the club will come back with some BS about the ground is for all the fans and not the people trying to create an atmosphere.

Susan Watson has tried before to stop people standing and singing. She knows nothing about football and the supporters and as long as she is around the club we are going to get the same problems. If this is not a Susan watson issue I will retract and post an appology.

As a Boro customer I find all of this a huge problem. If it was any other business I would already have stopped my subscription but because its My football club I carry on going and showing my support, WHY.

Health and safety will only be happy when fans are banned from turning up at the ground.
It is a huge issue trying to leave the ground at the end of the match, all these people trying to get out at the same time.

It is my understanding the stewards in the future are going to stand at the end of row and let you leave in an orderly fashion. Quietly and no one can be eating boiled sweets in case you fall down the stairs and choke.

I will post any reply I receive. Hopefully telling us all this thread is a wind up..

King_Ricard Posted on 11/03/2010 21:18
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Club have offered a compromise, we can have the drum pitch side until kick off and then must hand it to a match official. Cant see that happening, they will want us to wear hi vis jackets soon as well.

Also, RF plans for a display with a large central banner surrounded by a card display have been knocked back on saftey grounds due to it being a high risk match.

MFC supporting the fans as usual.

Junouk - im can assure you everything stated in this thread has been told to RF lads from the club. Not all of them have been strictly enforced such as flags being a certain size etc but none of them are sadly a wind up.

Of course its up to you to make your own mind up on it based on what the club say.

istinitboro Posted on 11/03/2010 21:29
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hopefully we do not go to matches just hoping to create an atmosphere which can mean many things.We go to matches to support our team,but it would seem we are not allowed to do because of so many restrictions.

King_Ricard Posted on 11/03/2010 21:31
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Agreed, we support the shirt not the hierachy of the club. [^]

junouk Posted on 11/03/2010 21:46
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Thanks KR.

I agree we support the Boro, they have been there since 1876 (something like that) and I trust in Ste Gibson and the club will be there in another 100 years time.

I have read the thread and I still can not understand why the club has an problem. It is very petty and none productive. If they want to have a 100% safety record ban the fans. That will work.lol.

What is wrong with a drum? what is wrong with flags? I dont know what is wrong with singing the club songs? Making a noise is part of the football.

Its an all seater stadium so they want you to sit. FFS this is football. This makes or ruins your weekend, I used to live and plan my life around games. turning down over time and swapping shift just to be able to watch this club. It is not a lab or sterile conditions. Even if they want it to be.

It is very very sad.

istinitboro Posted on 11/03/2010 21:51
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You speak of hierachy with a user name like that.Shame on you king dick.



istinitboro Posted on 11/03/2010 22:01
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Very magnanimous of MFC.The mind boggles as to who makes these decisions.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 11/03/2010 22:08
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these stupid rules are the reason english football support has become the laughing stock of europe. In no other country would the fans be dictated to the way they are here

CaramelHobNob Posted on 11/03/2010 22:11
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Its a shame when you try stand up and sing with a few mates, You get called a bunch of chavs by most people [V]

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 11/03/2010 22:16
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the snobbyness of some fans is unbelievable. i appreaciate some people dont wanna stand and sing so surely they can accept some people do wanna create an atmosphere

shaunb86 Posted on 11/03/2010 22:17
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surely a hot flask of tea is more dangerous than any of the things mentioned?

istinitboro Posted on 11/03/2010 22:20
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who gives a chit what littleboy thinks. The reactionary tool.

junouk Posted on 11/03/2010 22:24
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the club dont allow tops on bottles of pop.

But they sell HOT Bovril.. That has to stop, and they put a lid in the bovril to keep it hot.

I cant beleive we have not all been over the away fans and showered them with the stuff.

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 11/03/2010 22:28
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Were was the flag and card display gonna be put?

Sue_Watson_Says_Quiet_YEAH Posted on 11/03/2010 22:37
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Why doesn't everyone just sit down and shut up, like good little children!!! [ref]

shaunb86 Posted on 11/03/2010 22:39
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the display was going to be in the SEC mate. there were a number of ideas knocked back by the club today. said we couldn't do anything because it was a class A game or some rubbish!

bblf Posted on 12/03/2010 01:20
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Been a season ticket holder 35 years. I sit in the North Stand which is becoming quieter by the week, the atmosphere is dire.
My wife is a ST holder in the South East corner and I went and sat with her the other week as her sister had to work. Really enjoyed it, joined in the singing and it made the whole day much more enjoyable.Back in the North Stand next game and it was terrible again
Keep it up lads at least part of the stadium is getting behind them ( apologise to the few lads at the top of the North Stand who do try ).

otto62 Posted on 12/03/2010 04:24
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Years ago here in Australia they banned flagpoles over 1m and flags that are so big they need a flagpole over 1m. The reason was that we have no segregation and the flagpoles were being used to smack people hard.

Now we have segregation of crowds they allow larger flags and poles (not generally at the gate, but when supporter groups apply).

We also used to have (and still do) a ban on ethnic flags. These were used to stir trouble between say Croats and Serbs or Greeks and Macedonians. Any flags wih offensive slogans were confiscated.

All very sensible in my opinion.

However, why not licence particular flags to particular individuals under certain restrictions. For example - a 2m flag might be licensed for use only in the front row of a particlar section, with misuse leading to a ban? Slogans for flags could be subject to certain conditions ensuring not inciting violence, not racist, not obscene, etc. All flags over 1m to be approved prior to use.

Maybe RF could suggest a set of such guidelines to the club & if the club don't come to the party they could increase pressure by going public with their reasonable suggestions.

helie Posted on 12/03/2010 07:43
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the trouble with our club there is not enough "fan power",we just sit back and take it, apart from during the 90 minutes of the game when the majority boo the team.................

boro_tyke Posted on 12/03/2010 08:18
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The club currently have letters from Red Faction surrounding issues such as discrimination and prejudice towards the group with factual submissions in support of those claims.

They also have a request from the group – submitted some weeks ago – for the group to occupy the blocks directly behind the South Stand goal in an effort to reduce annoyance to those existing ST holders opposed to the groups activity in Block 53 and to allow the group to expand and flourish. This was done long before the Boro Bar was created.

As yet, the club have not had the decency to respond with answers to either.

standards Posted on 12/03/2010 08:21
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putting them behind the goal would be the best move by MFC ever, it unsettles away keepers and adds to the atmosphere tenfold, it also looks a hundred times better on tv when supporters are bouncing about like loonies to celebrate a goal, much better than empty seats anyway. It does not take extra stewarding, if people cross a line they cross a line and thats that, they are responsible for their own behaviour.

gizasqueezemister Posted on 12/03/2010 08:30
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The club, being a business, will always ask 'whats in it for us' and this is always going to be viewed from a financial perspective. Thus, as i said earlier, the Boro Bar was a no brainer. If its simply about increasing atmosphere they will probably equate this with increased stewarding hence more cost to them. Dont expect quick or positive replies to your letters RF crew. I however take my hat off to you all. Great work so far - hope you get to take it onto another level (with or without the drum!)

Bernie_was_right Posted on 12/03/2010 08:34
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"the trouble with our club there is not enough "fan power",we just sit back and take it, apart from during the 90 minutes of the game when the majority boo the team................."

Very true.....but try suggesting some kind of protest & you just get shouted down and that "We`re not whingers like the Geordies"

sitheman Posted on 12/03/2010 11:12
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I agree keep up the good work guys. The club is a XXXXXXing joke.

EmnesDread Posted on 12/03/2010 12:26
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I think the Red Faction lads are doing a grand job, Hope they get the atmosphere going tomorrow[^]

Come on Boro!

Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 12/03/2010 12:39
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Why do we need separist groups groups.

United we stand, divided we fall.

I call upon The Red Faction, 12th Man and others to come and rejoin the main stream BORO fans.

Vocal support will prevail.

Lose the drum for ever.

sitheman Posted on 12/03/2010 12:56
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Does it matter that the support is segregated? What matters is the support is there. By the club stopping people supporting the club they love in the way they see fit then they are in factt he ones segregating the crowd.

Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 12/03/2010 12:59
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Where did segregation come from?

I was on about separist movements.

sitheman Posted on 12/03/2010 13:01
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So you are not talking about two groups of fans working towards the same goal but acting independent of each other?

Or are you just been a bit petty?

shaunb86 Posted on 12/03/2010 13:04
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I know what you are getting at mate but as groups they have different views on how to support the team. neither is saying their view is the best but its just what they feel. if numbers where better it would be healthy to have RF taking up the whole of the south stand and the 12th man taking up the whole of the north stand. songs could be sang between the two and we could hide the away fans in the SEC and part of the east stand!

sitheman Posted on 12/03/2010 13:14
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It would be excellent. How about putting a suggestion to the club of having the whole south stand as 'unreserved seating' and have it so that the 12th man have a block or 2 and the RF have a block or 2 with both seperated by the neutrals in the middle. That way you get the 'atmosphere' from both sides.

shaunb86 Posted on 12/03/2010 13:50
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we would all be for that idea mate. we have someone putting ideas to the club continuously but we always get some health and safety rubbish of a reply. RF has over 500 members to its website and constantly has people coming on saying they are looking to transfer their tickets next season. if we worked with the club and told them that 2 blocks specifically would be allocated to us then we would sell them out no problem. with un-reserved seating and slack stewarding to go with it.

sitheman Posted on 12/03/2010 14:05
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Whats the website address mate?

King_Ricard Posted on 12/03/2010 14:56
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http://www.weshallovercome.proboards.com/

Vena Posted on 12/03/2010 14:58
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an appology (sort of) on the MFC site.



Link: Is this related?

shaunb86 Posted on 12/03/2010 15:02
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I think that article is from a while back mate. It the first run in the group had with the club.

junouk Posted on 12/03/2010 15:49
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i have had a phone call from the club :) will post a new thread.

RE clubs response to RF questions