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well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 18:53
25,000 Public Sector Jobs to go.

and that's just for starters.
So for all you fools sat twirling your pens with your feet up on your nice cushy council desks that thought the Peoples Party was going to look after you ...
There Ya Go!

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 03/03/2010 18:56
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The greedy (unts are still complaining about the yearly wage rises!

People in the private sector have gone without a yearly rise!

A 3% rise or the the dole? The unions are fu(king you over. Wake up!!

slipshod Posted on 03/03/2010 18:57
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Its all Thatchers fault

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 18:59
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dead right Slipshod, the witch[rle]

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 03/03/2010 19:02
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Vote Labour [^]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:04
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Gordon and his champagne socialist mates are laughing at you all again.
But you'll STILL vote for them.
Says more about you lot than Labour really.

Smoggie_in_Brum Posted on 03/03/2010 19:06
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Is this what you're talking about?


Link: Council workers

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 03/03/2010 19:11
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I`m sure thes find it hilairious too, S_I_B!


Link: Funny as.....ROFLYSMTT

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:12
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that's it[^]
About time too!
Only about 5 million more of these wasters to go, then maybe we'll be able to balance our budget.

jam69 Posted on 03/03/2010 19:15
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so you want unemployment upto 8 million WHBM?yes that will sort out our economy.mind you that was the tory plan to get us out of this mess,if doing nothing can be called a plan

redwurzel Posted on 03/03/2010 19:16
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25k out of 6 million is not many - all of them will be early retirements etc

Someone was on here saying they got £60k redundancy package for the public sector - they were pleading to be made redundant.

Someone on the news said there 300 press officers in the NHS - how many sick people have they helped?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:17
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yeah Rodney, it's a shame for the people who actually will suffer.
Makes you wonder though why it's these kind of services are the first to go and not the less deserving ones.
And would it all have been neccessary at all if the genius Gordon hadn't fcuked the economy up quite as much as he has.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 03/03/2010 19:18
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Hey here`s an idea.

Don`t employ so many people you can do without in the first place and expect everyone else to pay for it! [rle]

rivals_oldschool Posted on 03/03/2010 19:18
25,000 Public Sector Jobs to go.

The tories have played a blinder of late.

Both parties know cuts are needed but only the tories have acknowledged it, hence theyíve been lambasted for it.

The tories let the polls slip and look at what itís done to sterling. The markets are killing it. The bank of England yesterday announced itís plans to sell bonds priced in dollars.

When your own central bank wonít touch itís own currency then itís lost control.

Either way weíre fu*ked. If they donít start raising rates, sterling sinks, if they do, the country sinks into debt and deflation.

The coming sterling crisis should rightly be placed at Labours feet.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:19
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plenty of wasters could be culled first.
But, of course, that's not the 'socialist' way.

junkyard_angel Posted on 03/03/2010 19:22
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So rivals, you want to support a party that deliberately wrecks the economy?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:24
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no, I think it's Labours reckless spending that has already wrecked the ecomomy.
As they do every time they're elected.

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 19:27
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Politics belongs in the street not in parliament. Ping pong parliament.All pizz in the same pot[V]

40grand4kinnell Posted on 03/03/2010 19:28
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So for all you fools sat twirling your pens with your feet up on your nice cushy council desks that thought the Peoples Party was going to look after you ...

This just shows you how little you know about Local Authorites. The vast majority of the people who work in Local Government do not sit behind a desk.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:29
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.. and which public sector 'job' do you do exactly.
Are you afraid you'll lose it?
Will you still vote Red if you do?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 03/03/2010 19:33
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Well it's a shame but they were backed into a corner.

Simple fact is, Labour bluffed, the Tories called it, the games up.

When the tories were ahead in the polls and speaking of austerity, the markets liked it and kept sterling strong.

Unfortunately they weren't gaining anything from it, and Labour took a free ride. It also allowed Labour to label them as typical cutback Tories.

Countries like the US and those in the EU have gone some way in taking the pain. Labour choose to sacrifice the pound the save their skins for a coming election and itís going to backfire accordingly.

captain5 Posted on 03/03/2010 19:35
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Give us a shout if any of your mates are losing their jobs, Rodney, well hung and the others so we can laugh at them.

Wouldn't like to think we weren't being fair to everyone.

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 19:35
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Public sector = public servants[^]......who also pay national insurance, income tax and spend their wages.


a large proportion of public sector workers includes:

care workers.
nursing ancillaries
healthcare support workers
domestics
nurses
porters
pharmacists
theatre nurses
A & E
ambulance drivers
paramedics
teachers
teaching assistants
district nurses
theatre assistants
sterile services
launderers
food servers
cooks
kitchen assistants
maintenance engineers
caretakers
car park attendants
dustbin men
road sweepers
gardeners


etc



.....obviously all taking massively over - inflated wages and we could do without every single one of them couldnt we?




red_shamrock Posted on 03/03/2010 19:37
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You can then Triple that in the Private sector knock on.
And it wont be in Manufacturing but the Financial service industry.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:38
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for everyone on the 'front line' I wouldn't mind betting there's another 2 driving from the desk behind.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 03/03/2010 19:38
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Most of those are not wealth creators.

Thatís where the private sector steps in.
It comes down to simple maths, if the private sector is culled, the public sector has to follow suit. Thus far they have not.

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 19:38
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I cant aford a private library or health care, so il join the poor queue[sad]

jam69 Posted on 03/03/2010 19:39
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well WHBM and rodney can do without them,they blame klabour for putting people on the dole then rejoice when 1000s lose their jobs,seems strange

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:40
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and if they're so important, why do we HAVE to get rid of them?
I suppose that's Thatchers fault too, in your deluded retro minds?

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 03/03/2010 19:40
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care workers.
nursing ancillaries
healthcare support workers
domestics
nurses
porters
pharmacists
theatre nurses
A & E
ambulance drivers
paramedics
teachers
teaching assistants - Didn`t need them when I was a kid. And we didn`t get homework in Primary School.
district nurses - ???????
theatre assistants
sterile services
launderers
food servers - In Hospitals are owned by private companies. Mowlems in James Cook
cooks - In Hospitals are owned by private companies. Mowlems in James Cook
kitchen assistants - In Hospitals are owned by private companies. Mowlems in James Cook
maintenance engineers
caretakers
car park attendants - Do we NEED them. Car Park owned by Mowlems in James Cook
dustbin men - Once a fotnight collections???
road sweepers
gardeners

red_shamrock Posted on 03/03/2010 19:40
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One is young the other is set in his ways.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:44
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admit it, your socialist govt. has screwed the country well and truly.
but never mind, keep on voting for them, after all they'll always look after their own (council workers, corus) won't they?

guyb Posted on 03/03/2010 19:45
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Anybody who celebrates somebody losing their job in this economy needs to have a long look at themeselves in the mirror.

red_shamrock Posted on 03/03/2010 19:46
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Theres a lot of Private companies who rely on Government contracts...who may be in for a shock inside of two years.

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 19:47
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guyb = [^]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:47
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not celebrating. Just saying 'told you so.'
And it'll get a lot worse if we have another 5 years of the Jockanese Jinx.
Remember my words, for am I not the wisest on the board.

red_shamrock Posted on 03/03/2010 19:48
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Its hard to believe they delight in it isnt it..bad upbringing must be hard to live in their own skin imho...what goes around

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:50
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I delight in being proven right only.
And if you think there's not a lot of waste in the public sector, then you're clearly not of the sharpest mind.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:52
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all you council workers sound a little edgy today. Have you all been told you're going to have to start doing a proper days work or something?

jam69 Posted on 03/03/2010 19:54
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if theres alot of waste in local govenment then you need to be looking at the tories,theres alot more tory run councils than labour,but that wont fit the tory boys agenda

guyb Posted on 03/03/2010 19:55
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I might be offbase on this but it's hard to read your posts on this thread, Mr Hung, without seeing you with a cheshire-cat grin on your face - "about time too", "wasters", "Champagne Socialists", "afraid you're going to have to start doing a proper days work or something?"

Try being a social worker in South Bank or a porter at North Tees or manning the job centre in Redcar. Cushy, 40k jobs all I bet...

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 19:55
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Theres a lot of waste in the private sector and they cost us billions to bail out - the BANKERS!

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 19:56
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there may well be. But I bet I know which colour councils employ more people.
Stop trying to deny the evidence before your eyes; they've screwed the economy (as usual) and now we are all having to pay for it.

jenga Posted on 03/03/2010 19:59
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The NHS and Local Government have too many workers because of all the targets set by the government, get rid of the stupid targets and then they won't need all the staff!

I work for a local authority and yes there are a lot of job titles that are not needed.

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 19:59
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Is this the first election youve been old enough to vote in?

jam69 Posted on 03/03/2010 20:00
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you do,go on then name them without the help of google

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:00
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never had much experience with porters or social worker, but I do recall some experiences with job centre 'workers'. Useless, lazy, jumped up bueaucrats. Why do we need them anyway?

red_shamrock Posted on 03/03/2010 20:03
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Kin unhinged.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:03
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don't councils have people whose jobs it is to ensure that those whose jobs it is to ensure people are meeting their targets are meeting THEIR targets?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:04
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go on Shamrock, name one good use for a job centre worker.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 03/03/2010 20:05
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Why without the use of google??

jenga Posted on 03/03/2010 20:11
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don't councils have people whose jobs it is to ensure that those whose jobs it is to ensure people are meeting their targets are meeting THEIR targets?

Yep they do! they are normally given some job title like "Corporate Initiatives Officer"

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:12
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well, we can always use a few more of those Jenga[:D]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:15
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still waiting for that job centre justification Shamrock. Struggling?

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 20:15
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The absolute ignorance of a good few posters in this thread towards public sector work is embarassing.


well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:16
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don't tell me you work in a job centre Mr Cans?

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 03/03/2010 20:20
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TC - I have no doubt that many Public Sector workers are a necessity and carry out their jobs under very difficult circumstances and do an exceptional job.

You cannot, however, deny that this Labour government has created post that are unnecessary and do cost the taxpayer a lot of money.


well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:25
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I think red_shamrock must be struggling with my question. Isn't there any of you lefties out there can help him out?

ILOVEJUNINHO! Posted on 03/03/2010 20:26
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I've heard it all before from various Governments over the last 25 years. The fact is that I, and all other Council workers, will still be there in 15 years time to pick up my fat pension, and yes, i'll only be 50!!

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 20:28
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If similar celebratory comments were being made about people losing their jobs in the private sector, the thread would be pulled. Just because it's public sector workers losing their job that is being celebrated by a few twisted few, the thread is considered more valid. How anyone can be pleased at people losing their jobs is a mystery to me.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:28
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sadly, Ilovejuninho, I think you're right. You and your like will still be sittin on your lazy asses and screwing the taxpayers for many years to come.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:31
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the points you seem to be missing TC are ..
1) there is little respect for many (not all) public sector workers because they do not provide value for money.
2) the reason this is happening, and will accellerate is because of years of economic mismanagement and over-spending, by guess-who.

jam69 Posted on 03/03/2010 20:32
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all those tory councils?

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 20:33
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Just like the non dom Lord ashcroft who sits as a Tory Peer,yet pays no income tax in our country and the fat bankers whom we subsidise with public money. Lets not forget the thousands of private companies who are milking the public purse through subsidy and ripping us off...............like the £9billion subsidy to the private rail profiteers[V]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:33
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yeah Jam, right[rle]
just stay in denial, carrying on believing.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:34
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nice tactic Roofie, if you're losing the argument try changing the subject.[smi]

Not transparent, not at all[rle]

jam69 Posted on 03/03/2010 20:35
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so let me get this right,the labour councils waste all our money,whilst all those tory councils are prudent?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:37
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I don't have those figures at my fingertips (do you?), but I'd guess the answer was yes.
Oh, and Roofie, letting you get away with the sneaky change of subject, who do you think gives that £9 million of subsidies to the rail companies?

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 20:37
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"economic mismanagement"...........thats the link my flowerpot..........now do tell me about your economic strategy....im all ears[:X]

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 20:37
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Well hung, what do you know about value for money in the public sector? It's a very hot topic provding 'best value' and so since you claim public sector workers (possibly the most generalist term there is) don't provide value for money, perhaps you could share your expertise and experience in this field?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:38
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sorry, I meant £9 billion of course.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:39
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Well TC, I'm still waiting for an answer to my Job Centre question, because I see absolutely no value in them.
Apart from keeping those work in them in a job.

jenga Posted on 03/03/2010 20:40
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Any job losses are bad, some people just like to revel in others misery [:o)]

In reality savings will be made by people taking voluntary redundancy/early retirement and leaving for new jobs and not being replaced. I don't think there will be as many compulsory redundancies as people think.

chorleyphil Posted on 03/03/2010 20:42
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Mr Hung.......your weird !

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:43
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I think people who vote for purely short-term selfish reasons deserve to have these things pointed out to them when their chickens come home to roost.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:44
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Weird perhaps.
100% correct, certainly.[^]

gravyboat Posted on 03/03/2010 20:44
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The public sector IS too bloated. There are now, far, far more managers across various sectors than there were before Labour came to power.

This top-heavy policy has meant far too much public money being spent on bureaucrats, rather than core workers and services.

However. An awful lot of the proposed 25000 job losses will be core workers on relatively low income, no different to private sector workers, who are simply trying to make a living like the rest of us.

To gloat about their probably job losses with rhetoric like this well_hung idiot is just pure selfish ignorance.

'I'm not gloating about them losing their jobs, I just like being proved right'

Says it all really.


r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 20:45
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Since privatisation" (a euphemism for lining private pockets with fat profits from the public purse)the british tax - payer has subsidised the private rail monopolies.if the public sector is the drain and waste you declare, you clearly dont mind us exporting capital abroad to foreign countries? After all Mrs Thatcher started that with the sell off of the public utilities..at a fraction of the cost.....................meanwhile you gloat over losses in the public sphere.



perhaps if we still had british steel, the lads at corus wouldnt have lost their jobs by asset strippers from india? I suppose thats alright with you. Hypocrite.

Kirkylane Posted on 03/03/2010 20:46
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Well_hung - a fact for you:

Recycling takes 34 people to process the same amount of waste that if incinerated, would need just one person. This is from an American academic report.

(Incineration also creates lots of free heat that can keep old people warm.)

Don't underestimate what a racket "sustainability" has been for council jobsworths. If people knew the facts, they would be stringing Recycling Officers up from lamp posts.


well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:47
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I sense a few twitchy bums among the council workers around here.

chorleyphil Posted on 03/03/2010 20:48
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...and a complete tosser!

gravyboat Posted on 03/03/2010 20:49
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I work in the private sector in logistics. I don't, and have never worked in the public sector. Neither have any of my family.

I'm saying what I'm saying, because you are an ill-informed £uckwit.

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 20:49
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Yet another highly questionable american "report" probably written by Shell, backed by Anglo - American and supported by Haliburton.Bollx.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:49
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it just doesn't get through to you do is.
'The Briitsh Taxpayer has subsided the private rail monopolies'
So it's Thatchers fault for starting it but not Labours fault for carrying it on???

thornabyred Posted on 03/03/2010 20:49
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well hung but deluded
I work for JCP,(not in the centres) and I earn every penny of my wage.Wages are poor compared to councils and provate sector jobs but it was only one I could get last year when made redundant at my old job.
I spend all day trying to sort out claims and appointments for people all over the country.
Because you may have had a bad experience in a job centre doesnt make everyone the same.


TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 20:51
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Err, no I don't work in a jobcentre or anything similar so don't worry. However in answer to your question about job centre staff have you considered that in fact they do provide value by coercing the unemployed into work and so saving the economy on benefits payout?

My point is the knee-jerk, chip on shoulder reaction of many to certain public sector positions is based solely on the job title and nothing else. There is total ignorance to what ghat individual does and any benefits, financial or otherwise, that individual brings to their particular field.

For example, I think you will find that most if not all NHS Trusts now have a Smoking Cessation Officer in post. At first sight of the ignorant bunch, this is no doubt seen as an unnecessary bureacratic post. In practical terms, for the wage outlayed, the benefits far outweigh the costs owing to the savings brought to the NHS if targets are met.

jenga Posted on 03/03/2010 20:51
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That's true gravy. The problem is that the redundancy packages are, for all but the longest serving employees, completely useless so the only people likely to take advantage are older members of staff. There can't be a bottomless pit of money for vr/er so the rest of the job losses will be the lowest paid workers.

There are far to many middle managers, a cull of middle management would save thousands but would also mean that senior manager would have to take back the work - can't see that happening somehow [V]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:51
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once again the Labourites show their true colours. As soon as they lose the argument, start with the mindless abuse and name-calling.
You lot get what you deserve.

chorleyphil Posted on 03/03/2010 20:54
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So spell out exactly what your darling Tories will do!

r00fie Posted on 03/03/2010 20:54
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Primary care Trusts also hand out condoms and free testing kits to teenagers about STIs. I suppose they dont do anything useful, but fat bankers and tax dodgers do[cr]

gravyboat Posted on 03/03/2010 20:57
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So now I've gone from a council worker to a Labour supporter? Wrong again.

I've just outlined my argument - normal people on relatively low wages will be out of work and you're gloating about it, because you haven't got a clue what you're on about.

You are allowing your objection to a Labour government cloud any judgement you make about mass job losses for ordinary people.

I don't throw insults around readily - feel free to look at my previous posts.

The fact is, you're an ill-informed £uckwit.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:57
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'in fact they do provide value by coercing the unemployed into work and so saving the economy on benefits payout?'
Yes, and treating everyone like a number, another waster off the production line. And then if they can't coerce them into pitifully paying jobs (and meet their targets) they'll send them on some pointless course, usually run by more public sector workers, to get them off the jobless list.
Those place are not merely unproductive, they're counter-productive.
Except for those who 'work' in them that is.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 20:59
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' I don't throw insults around.'
'Fcukwit.'

yeah, right.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 21:02
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Haha, been dealt a bum deal by the job centre have you Well Hung?

What was it? Expecting to be a Chief Exec and they thought you perhaps more suited to something a little less prestigious? Unlucky.

Their ba5tards aren't they?

Grow up.


red_shamrock Posted on 03/03/2010 21:04
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Starting to make sense now isnt it[:D]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 21:07
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yes, I was TC. And a nice effort by you to gloat in the same way you were accusing me of doing.
years ago, I lost my job and decided to re-train in computer programming (at my own expense I might add, no help from the job centre there). When I went in for my 'interview' with a spotty 18 year old I was told that I should 'set my sights a little lower'. Fortunately I didn't take his wise advice and now probably earn more in a month than that little oik does in a year.
As you say TC, 'haha'

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 21:09
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yes, it makes perfect sense Shamrock.
You weren't that spotty oik were you?[:D]

MrsTiggywinkle Posted on 03/03/2010 21:11
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RT - maybe there were no Teaching Assistants when you were at school, but the Government's Inclusion policy demands that many children with special needs have an entitlement to a place in mainstream school. Often they require additional support which the class teacher is quite simply unable to provide.

Trust me... they are a great asset and a necessity.

There has been a systematic closure of many Special Schools.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 21:14
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I am laughing at you taking your angst in relation to losing your job out on the entire public sector. Just because you have had a personal problem over your experiences at a Job Centre does not render the entire public sector of workers as 'wasters', as has been suggested within this thread.

And so, because you lost your job and had bad experiences at the job centre, you feel the best response is to laugh at 25,000 other people being laid off? Strikes me as pretty pathetic that does.

Anyway I'll leave you and your chip to carry the thread on, i've wasted enough time trying to reason with the ignorant on here. I'd rather be watching England.


red_shamrock Posted on 03/03/2010 21:15
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Well good on you WH, but there are no medals for it... thats life and and its about contentment and getting on with it.

You want to thank that spotty Herbert for giving you impetus...but you never know he may have retrained too.[:D]

Or he might be on bugger all but as happy as Larry.[smi]

dodger Posted on 03/03/2010 21:18
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Meanwhile shyster bankers who stole £850 billion and caused these effects on the economy are quaffing vintage brandy and enjoying huge bonuses.

They laugh while we argue which party will be the best choice to fcuk us over to get the money back.

Baaaaaaaaa.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 21:26
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will you be content if Labour get kicked out Shamrock?
I'm happy enough, just don't like to see waste and stupidity that's all, and I don't like people who know nothing about me and my situation telling me what I ought to do just because it fits their agenda.
But I guess that's what bureacracy is all about. That's I won't have a problem seeing it trimmed a bit.
By the way, it was a Tory goverment in power when it happened[smi]

jam69 Posted on 03/03/2010 21:29
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its a long time to be bitter though WHBM, i wonder if your local council can offer some anger management classes for you?

red_shamrock Posted on 03/03/2010 21:29
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A hung Parliament may not be a bad thing.

Independant for me.

Oh and I hope people have a bit of luck and stay in work...it helps us all dont ya know[;)]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 21:36
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I'm sure they could Jam, but I'd probably need to kick 'em up their fat jacksys before they'd bother sending me the form in triplacte to be filled out in red ink ensuring my signature was entirely within the box and that two recent passport photos signed by a Justice of the Peace and someone whose know me for 2o years were enclosed.
Then it'd probably get sent to the wrong address.[smi]
(I suppose if I claimed to be an asylum seeker it might speed it up a bit like)

sambaDTR Posted on 03/03/2010 22:31
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Our College used to outsource IT to an external (private company). If there was a problem you had to ring them, wait on the phone for 15 minutes then received the reply that they would fix the problem in 2 working days. Now we use our own technicians (public sector workers) and they fix the problem in the 15 minutes you were hanging on the phone. £15,000 a year they're on with a computer science degree. Try telling teachers and students they are a ripoff.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 22:33
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if they're on £15,000 a year in IT then they're probably not very good at it.

sambaDTR Posted on 03/03/2010 22:36
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No that's what College's pay as there are no pay scales for technicians. You start on that wage and that's it. I thought you would know that!

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 22:38
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why would I know that, I never worked in the public sector.
And you can guarantee if they are any good they won't be hanging around too long, they'll get a lot more in the private sector.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 22:42
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Or to look at it another way Well Hung, they are good as you but don't take as big a wage. You seem to have conveniently ignored the mis-alignment of private and public sector pay throughout your argument. The fact is public sector workers generally get paid less than their private sector counterparts for doing comparable work.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 22:45
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yes, they do generally get paid less. So why do they stay there. Security?[sad]

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 22:50
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Yes I am sure security may be part of it for a lot of people. And your point with that is what exactly??

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 22:57
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Security. Exactly. Once you're in, you can do bugger all for the next 40 years then pick up a nice fat pension courtesy of the tax payer.
Some us choose to make our own way in the big bad world.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 23:08
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You're a total ignoramus, mate.

If you think you can sit around in a public sector job and do nothing, you are even more stupid than you are coming across and believe me, that is pretty stupid.

As for 'making your own way', were you making your own way before you went to the job centre for help or afterwards?

Also, incase it has escaped your notice, there are plenty of public sector jobs that are simply not transferrable to the private sector.

And just one final correction, if you think all public sector employees are on fat pension plans, you are mistaken on that front too.

I would suggest that if you plan to come on and put an argument forward against something (in this case it would seem to be the entire public sector...), you at least have an understanding of what you are arguing against. You don't seem to have any knowledge whatsoever of the public sector or its workings.

You have built an entire argument on the back of you getting turned away at a job centre. And for someone who is now, according to you, earning shed loads more than the 'oik' that dealt with you there, you don't half seem to have retained a lot of bitterness as a result of the affair, so much so that you are quite comfortable at laughing 25,000 people out of work.

I wonder what that 'oik' was thinking when he turned his back on you all the time ago. F'uck this c'unt quite possibly. [^]

Kirkylane Posted on 03/03/2010 23:18
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r00fie sounds defensive

Maybe he has a snout in the eco trough?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 23:18
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before and after. Didn't go to the job centre for help but because I didn't have a choice. They'd have stopped the pittance they gave me had I refused.
Like most people, the only experience I have with public sector workers is as one of their 'customers'. the harridan receptionist in the doctors surgery, the tosspot from the tax office who makes your life a misery for years by chasing you for money you don't owe, threatening you with dire consequence if you don't own up then not bothering with an apology when you finally prove them wrong. The Plod that doesn't turn up when you need him but is always lurking around the corner with his camera as soon as you're 5 mph over the limit.
And of course the jobsworth in the job centre.
I have NEVER had a good experience with public service bureaucrats (apart from Nurses, doctors, etc. for which I have nothing but admiration)and I think, despite your rather feeble argument, I'm not alone in that.
And if he was thinking 'fcuk this cnut', yeah, you're probably right. I think him and many of his ilk think the same way about most of the people that pay their wages.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 23:27
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You seem to be a very bitter, narrow-minded man man when it comes to this subject.

It's a shame you are prepared to write off the entire public sector based on a few frustrating yet utterly pathetic example experiences that we all suffer from time to time but that's up to you.

You've got pretty much most of your assessment way of mark but since you're the one with the bitterness, I don't suppose it really affects anyone else too much. Might be a nice touch of you to wait outside the public sector buildings though so you can laugh at people as they walk out of work having been laid off.



Kirkylane Posted on 03/03/2010 23:28
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Turnbulls:

"If you think you can sit around in a public sector job and do nothing, you are even more stupid than you are coming across and believe me, that is pretty stupid."

On some days you get to fly to conferences too!

Face it, the problem isn't nurses or posties, or frontline workers. It's the middle managers on £50k who are inventing nonjobs for themselves, and bleeding the public sector dry.

Would you rather have 34 recycling officers or 34 nurses?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 23:31
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So you admit 'we all suffer from them from time to time.'
You have no argument, all you come out with is sneers about being 'bitter' or 'stupid' or 'narrow-minded'.
I wouldn't dream of standing outside the building laughing at them, but I bet you'd be only too happy to do that if it were me.
You have the 'public service mentality.' "I'm allright Jack, screw you and anyone doesn't think the way I do must be a moron."

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 23:35
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PS, I think if you were getting threatening letters from the tax people for 2 years demanding you provide them almost every last detail of your life for a five year period on pain of prosecution and possible jail, you might not think it so trivial.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 03/03/2010 23:42
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I wouldn't dream of standing outside the building laughing at them, but I bet you'd be only too happy to do that if it were me.
You have the 'public service mentality.' "I'm allright Jack, screw you and anyone doesn't think the way I do must be a moron."







Far from it and I have no idea what you base any of those views on. My entire objection to your posts was on the basis of you revelling in the fact people are about to be laid off.

And my point about suffering the frustrations of life in relation to the public sector AND private firms (take having to contact any sort of business via a call centre as one such example...) is simply that you do not write off an entire body of jobs and people on the basis that you have had a few irritating experience.

My computer has got a problem with the DVD Drive - by your thinking that should mean I write off everyone working in the IT industry.

You are out of order making fun of people being laid off, that was your opener to the thread and the reason I wrote in it at all. Whatever way you choose to dress it up, or whatever pathetic little examples of your own past you choose to cite, I don't see any reason for making light of that many people being put of work. I stand by my original comment that if similar comments about been made about redundancies in the private sector, Rob would have pulled the thread.


dodger Posted on 03/03/2010 23:42
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Well hung , as an aside I am getting stuff like that off the tax office (been working as a contractor).

How much grief can I expect?

robbso Posted on 03/03/2010 23:47
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I thought it was better to complain about poor servce than to publicly gloat about job cuts.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 23:54
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unfortunately mate, probably loads. Once one of these little bureaucratic rottweilers get their teeth into you it's hard to get them to let go. As has been mentioned already they have 'targets' to meet. You just have to give them everything they want.
The sad thing is, it was a relatively trivial amount that they were chasing me for, in the grand scheme of things. Yet the real tax dodgers, the ones that can afford expensive lawyers, usually get off scot free. These people are paid purely to frighten you and make your life a misery and seem to get a kick out of doing it.
I think envy has a lot to do with it.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 23:55
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Complain [:D]
What world do you live in?

robbso Posted on 03/03/2010 23:57
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Fortunately I didn't take his wise advice and now probably earn more in a month than that little oik does in a year.
Yet you can"t afford a decent lawyer[smi]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 03/03/2010 23:57
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I couldn't then.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:02
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You need a lawyer to work our your own tax?

I must admit, I am starting to wonder how you have ever got a job in any sector at all. Do you make the tea?

robbso Posted on 04/03/2010 00:02
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Wasn"t it a 7 year period though,2 of which they spent chasing you,surely with your fantastic wages you could have got legal representation,no?Approx £20000 a month in wages you must be on.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 04/03/2010 00:04
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there you go TC, more insults.
Lawyers don't work out tax, accountants do.
Thought a genius like you might have known that.
Yes, I make my own tea. With the aid of an instruction manual of course [rle]
Patronising prat.

robbso Posted on 04/03/2010 00:06
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Patronising prat[:D]

"Fortunately I didn't take his wise advice and now probably earn more in a month than that little oik does in a year."[smi]

TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:08
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[:D]

Relax. Or do you want me to dig out our stress guide at work tomorrow and email it to you? It has all sorts of handy hints and tips contained within a beautiful glossy cover. I reckon it would have cost a f'ucking fortune to produce.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 04/03/2010 00:10
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maybe I could have afforded a lawyer at a stretch Robbso, but why should I just because of some envious pen-pushing idiot in the tax office?
I think you must be confusing me with somebody who's rich £20,000 isn't as much as you may think when you pay nearly 40% of it in tax and have a lot of other expenses that the 9 to 5 civil service pen-pushers don't.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 04/03/2010 00:12
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every line you write reinforces my views on you and your like.
at risk of repeating myself, you really are a patronising prat.
Lawyers doing accounts [cr][cr][cr]
And you call me stupid!!

robbso Posted on 04/03/2010 00:16
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£240,000 per year not much?

You must be confusing me with someone who reads the Beano if you think i believe that[;)]

So it"s just the "pen pushing civil servents" you want to be made redundant?Police etc are ok then?

TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:16
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you and your like


[:D]
What are me and my like? You know nothing about me, including who I work for or what I do for a living.

But yes, I do call you stupid, you're right about that. [^]

TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:19
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p.s. Well Hung, have you read Boro Grecian's thread?? He would seem to work in the Health Service [:O][:O][:O]

Oh no!!!!!!!

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 04/03/2010 00:19
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no, I don't know anything about you. Why so cagey? Embarrassed?

robbso Posted on 04/03/2010 00:21
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He might be embarrassed to know b.g is a girly.[smi]

TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:21
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Not cagey at all, you didn't ask. I wouldn't waste my time telling you even if you had mind.

That said, you don't know which area I work in or even whether it's private or public for that matter. Just because I argued against you laughing at people being laid off, I am guessing your presumption is that I work within the public sector.

Guess you'll never know will you...[;)]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 04/03/2010 00:22
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'p.s. Well Hung, have you read Boro Grecian's thread?? He would seem to work in the Health Service

Oh no!!!!!!!'

What are you dribbling on about now? Please take the time to read the thread (hint: just do a cntrl F and search for nurses.
And by the way, he is a she. You don't take much notice of stuff do you.[rle]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 04/03/2010 00:25
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no because you're ashamed to tell me. If you don't know the difference between a lawyer and an accountant, I'd guess you probably don't work at all, or if you do it's in some field commensurate with your lack of intellect. Not that I give a toss, I think I've hammered enough nails in your coffin for one night already.
Bonsoir, my intellectually challenged friend

TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:29
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[:D]

Yes, nice one, you certainly have come out of this thread with the upper hand haven't you?

Oh well, you can head to bed safe in the knowledge that despite looking a bit of aXXXXXX, your thread got a ton. You can look back at that at work tomorrow while I have got my feet on my desk and head off into the land of nod.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 04/03/2010 00:31
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good night genius.
And if you get a spare moment from digging holes in the road tomorrow, try looking up the difference between lawyers and accountants.
And males and females too for that matter[;)]

Angelmatty Posted on 04/03/2010 00:32
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shows how many wan5ers there is on here
they cried when corus was closing and now there happy that more people are losing there jobs.

And no im not a council worker but they will have bills to pay like the people we knew from corus


TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:34
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And males and females too for that matter



Wahey!!!!!!!! [:D]

That's me told. Consider me back in my box! It's been fun. And mildly amusing (for me at least...).[^]

Adios.


TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:36
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far too much common sense for this board in your post Matty [^]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 04/03/2010 00:37
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unfortunately I didn't find you mildly amusing. Hilarious would be a better description.[cr][cr]
Well, I really really do have to go this time. We don't all get money for old rope you know.
Take care, hope you don't get the bad news tomorrow.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:41
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No bad news for me fella, job for life and all that. Basically turn up, do nothing, go home. Easy.

I'll think about it when your sort are scurrying around under my desk plugging cables in so I can at least look like I am doing some work.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 04/03/2010 00:44
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I don't plug cables in, I have monkeys like you to do it for me.
go on, have the last (incomprehensible) word, I know you need it.
Ta-ta.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 00:51
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*it can only be incomprehensible on a computer if it is either spelt incorrectly or you can't read. I'll leave you to work out which of those applies.

getundermydeskandplugthosewiresintastic [^]

dodger Posted on 04/03/2010 00:54
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Oh dear , adults behaving like children.

End of thread.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 04/03/2010 01:01
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Oh dear , adults behaving like children.


[:D][^]

red_shamrock Posted on 04/03/2010 07:46
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Turnbull may have given you something to reflect on,just like that spotty Herbert did WH.
Happens to us all at sometime[:D]

Bernie_was_right Posted on 04/03/2010 07:47
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No sane person would deny that front line Public sector staff like nurses, bin men etc are essential, and not always well paid.

But New Labour have created a whole army of middle ranking non jobs purely to give the othwerwise unemployable something to do, and to create a whole class of Labout voters.

We all know the kind of people i`m talking about: Diversity Officers, Five a day co-ordinators, smoking cessation officers, Youth outreach workers, welfare officers, policy officers...........the list is endless, whilst the salaries are all 30, 40, 50K plus.

r00fie Posted on 04/03/2010 07:57
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Smoke cessation - 100,000 smoking related deaths each year.costs us tax payers £Ms. In our NHS PCT this is carried out by School nurses and staff in different branches,ie psychiatry, adukt branch, learning dis,child....there are no specialist workers.




Youth Outreach - £7hr usually part time. You moan about yobs on street corners, yet you moan about someone on less than aa nightclub glass collector whose out there to include these youths away from crime ,drugs and a life on the dole or in nick.


You talk rubbish like always.


Im off to work in my public sector job soon, which is equivalent to 1/3rd the so called national average.I pay my taxes too and my clients wouldnt cope out on the street.


red_shamrock Posted on 04/03/2010 08:05
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Record numbers of Higher education grads Bernie,what should we do with them?
Sit them at home.

A lot of people sat on their hands doing nothing is one thing, a lot of educated people doing nothing could be dangerous.

We create these positions to up hold a promise..education gets you places and oh we better find them a job.

Should we retrain them to become Welders Platers or Shipwrights[:D]

I can see what you are saying, and maybe they are getting far to much money when you could get two for that price.

But we did tell them to specialise, learn and go to Uni etc.

What should we do with all these special clever people?

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 04/03/2010 08:22
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I'm afraid this is the situation that new Labour has put us all in.

Why did they think it such a good idea that 50% of kids go to university and come out with worthless degrees in Photography, Media Studies, Film ? Easy, keeps them off the unemployment numbers for a few years. How do they get them there, repeatedly dumb down A-levels to the point where everyone gets 10 A* and thinks they're Einstein. So, they come out of university with their worthless degree and think they're worth something, where do they end up, in some made-up job in the civil service, "Lesbian Outreach Councillor".
Well, now these jobs are going for good.

New Labour, fooooked in so many ways.

Edit: and Red_Shamrock, these are exactly the people that would have been content being welders, electricians etc... years ago, now they've had so much smoke blown up their @rses they're think they're worth more than this.

Kirkylane Posted on 04/03/2010 08:34
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Your clients? What are you r00fie, a pimp?

red_shamrock Posted on 04/03/2010 08:34
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Never a truer word spoken SOTR[^]

Kirkylane Posted on 04/03/2010 08:47
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SOTR [^]

Very good post. Add the NuLab obsession with targets, measuring and monitoring and you have created a new middle class - of nonjobs.

Don't forget quangos.


Link: linky

speckyget Posted on 04/03/2010 09:08
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I do like these threads. What is it about the Right that makes them need to swagger and sneer like priapic little bantam cocks?

Holding right of centre views used to be a perfectly acceptable intellectual stance; now it seems you need the debating skills of a baseball bat and the manners of a hyena.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 04/03/2010 09:11
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Specky... I assume by "right" you mean Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and the like ?

speckyget Posted on 04/03/2010 09:14
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I don't mean anyone in particular. But it's a good point you make in that what we might call 'the centre ground' has been drifting inexorably rightwards for the last 30 years.

Scrote Posted on 04/03/2010 09:38
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SOTR - "these are exactly the people that would have been content being welders, electricians etc."

contentment? since when was contentment acceptable?

the problem isn't the public sector and it never has been - the problem is the pernicious propaganda from the right-wing media empires that continually push the idea that the target is wealth (not contentment for contentment's sake) and the direct path is celebrity

what they fail to tell kids is that for every tv 'talent' show creation there are 100 artists in all media that have worked damn hard for a long time before making it (where making it still doesn't elevate them into the ranks of the glitterati)

they also forget to mention that the vast majority of overnight successes are actually the product of years of effort that makes an impact just as the zeitgeist wheel is spinning in an artist's particular direction

1. people (especially the younger generations) need a dose of reality when it comes to earning power vs effort/time served

2. propaganda based aspiration needs reining in before it gets even further out of hand - someone (the govt. or is that not libertarian enough?) needs to take action

3. the reality of wealth vs effort needs to be highlighted more - the worth of hard work needs emphasising

however, for #3 to ever have an impact we need to shift society to a more meritocratic system that doesn't see the cream of each previous generation propping up their own progeny - until there is some proper socially sound natural-justice we will continue to live in a broken world

25000 public sector jobs is a drop in the ocean but it's still 25000 people that will feel let down by society whilst the real villains of the piece are walking away with their duck-islands and bankers-bonuses

we need a social-revolution but i fear that apathy and avarice have already proclaimed their victory

John67 Posted on 04/03/2010 09:42
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I hate these posts. There are some posters on here that are gloating about people, many of them loow paid, losing their jobs. The fact of the matter is that these jobs belong to the Police/Nurses as well as hospital cleaners etc. Must make them feel warm inside. XXXXXXkkkkers.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 04/03/2010 09:51
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Scrote... I was going to post more or less the same as you (re. the social engineering aspect of all this, the I deserve everything now culture), but I couldn't be @rsed, it'd be lost on most people.

Anyway, agree with you 100%

Edit: to say that, the social revolution may not be as unlikely as you think, public sector job-losses, public spending cuts, benefits cuts, rise of far-right nationalist politics.... it could all happen. They're only a step away from this in Greece.

toxic_bob Posted on 04/03/2010 09:51
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I work in the public sector, earning about the national average after a degree, MA and ten years' experience, and support my missus who's at home with a young baby. If I lose my job, I'll let you know Rodders, so you can have a good titter.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 04/03/2010 10:01
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In fact, every now and then when I let myself think about things like this I realise how prescient Orwell was with 1984....

Keep the proles dumbed down, keep them arguing amongst themselves about who this weeks enemy is (illegal immigrants, muslims, gypsies, Lesbian Outreach Workers) through their right-wing shock media (Fox, Sun, Mail), whilst the elite just keep running everything in the manner that allows them to steal as much wealth from the masses as they can.

Rant over, I'll stop thinking again, it winds me up too much.

Thornaby_Boro Posted on 04/03/2010 11:46
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Having worked in the public sector for many years, I can say there are many areas where savings can be made and the public wouldn't really notice and I agree the unions do not help themselves (in my department union membership is only about 15%)

Thats not to say the people in those jobs, which the public don't notice are lazy incompetents and couldn't work in the private sector. They just saw a job advertised, applied and were successful, The same as anywhere else, and anyone made redundant in the public sector deserves the same sympathy as those at Corus or anyone else.