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ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 17:42
The tories would walk the election

if they got rid of Cameron and got a decent strong leader with charisma and a set of policies that separated them from nu labour.

He is a public school donkey, not fit to rule the lions of Britain.

aa365 Posted on 24/02/2010 17:43
The tories would walk the election

and if they slam the doors shut at Dover

SidSnot Posted on 24/02/2010 17:48
The tories would walk the election

He's their biggest electoral asset. They're not trying to win votes in Middlesbrough.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 17:50
The tories would walk the election

He's no Churchill, not even a meercat.com.

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 17:51
The tories would walk the election

Another Chinless wonder.

keelo Posted on 24/02/2010 18:04
The tories would walk the election

not only that, he's a T W A T !!

Oooo Posted on 24/02/2010 18:05
The tories would walk the election

I hate him, he comes over as so superior and sneering and ungenuine

Sitrep Posted on 24/02/2010 18:07
The tories would walk the election

And,if they had some policies.

jam69 Posted on 24/02/2010 18:07
The tories would walk the election

if they dropped this inheritance tax pledge it would pick up alot of votes,as theres so few who would gain cant understand why they have not.cameron is a lightweight though you just feel hes trying like mad not to XXXXXX up

Harry_x Posted on 24/02/2010 19:03
The tories would walk the election

Within a year of the election he'll be replaced as leader by David Davies.

Cameron is too lightweight and useless to keep control of the party once elected.

zaphod Posted on 24/02/2010 19:06
The tories would walk the election

The lack of talent in the Tory party is amazing. Cameron is the best they've got & an improvement on Howard, Hague & Duncan-Smith, but still pretty unimpressive.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 19:07
The tories would walk the election

A strong leader with charisma!
What just like our Gord?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

You don't half make me laugh.

SidSnot Posted on 24/02/2010 19:09
The tories would walk the election

In evidence for the defence I give you "Bob Ainsworth - Defence Secretary".

Whatever you may think of David Cameron, he still compares favourably with Gordon Brown and every poll says so.

whale_oil_beef_hooked Posted on 24/02/2010 19:12
The tories would walk the election

He's an eton toff...fek him and his like.

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 24/02/2010 19:13
The tories would walk the election

"I hate him, he comes over as so superior and sneering and ungenuine"

may be it is you that just feels inferior to him![rle]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 19:25
The tories would walk the election

'I hate him, he comes over as so superior and sneering and ungenuine"
may be it is you that just feels inferior to him!'

and if he doesn't, he should.

Only_Me Posted on 24/02/2010 19:36
The tories would walk the election

"He's an eton toff...fek him and his like"

I hope that you are including the public school toffs, on the liebour side in that?

southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 20:02
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Ridsdale makes an interesting point albeit displaying his crass prejudice's.

Cameron, i know, will not reveal his "hand" till very close to the election. Why should he? Labour are doing a good enough job in destroying themselves and he doesnt want them nicking the Tories ideas.

How do i know this? My best friend works for him and yes he is from Teesside. I would also like to point out that there are a number of his office and party staff from Teesside (and surrounding area) so to say the Tories dont care about Teesside is fanciful baring in mind they have a very good chance of taking Stockton South and Langbaurgh/ Middlesbrough South.

The irrational and prejudicial "i hate him cos he's a toff" brigade merely exhibit their ignorance and blind hatred.

I wonder if you changed "Toff" for "Black" how that would be received? The same type of irrational and child like hatred.

The hatred of public school boys is laughable, i went to a public school, why? because my parents thought state schools were substandard and worked their arse off with their own business so as to afford it. They made massive sacrifices so i could get the best education possible and i did even with me suffering with dyslexia. I have both academic qualifications up to Masters level and Professional qualifications.

Moreover, you do actually have to have intelligence to get into the schools/university Cameron went to. Eton requires and entry exam and Oxbridge require an entry exam on top of getting 4 A's at A-Level.

There are alot of people on here that quite frankly display mass ignorance, prejudice and carry a massive inferiority chip on their shoulder (a major problem for Teessiders).

Criticise his policies all you will but screaming "Toff" merely shows you up as poorly educated, arrogant and prejudicial.

It would be like me saying the Labour Party MP'S are all Chavs and the people that support them even when many of them went to Eton and other similar fine schools yet many of you voted for the Labour Party and these Etonites.

My dream has been to emulate a Gibson or Bannatyne and build my business' with a HQ on Teesside and employing Teessider's (with a huge amount of luck), but when i read these sad jealousy and envy comments on this board it makes me think why bother.

Teesside needs to cast aside the Labour Party policies of class warfare, jealousy and envy and start aspiring.

Thats my rant over!

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 24/02/2010 20:13
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That was a very good rant that.

Anyway. I do think the Tories have an image problem, justified or not. Labour have lurched from crisis to crisis, with open warfare in it's ranks against their own leader. But the lead in the polls now seems to be suggesting that we may be heading for a hung parliament. The Tories should be demolishing Labour at this point but seem unable to do so - I think that raises some questions about Cameron for me (I'm a 'floating' voter btw).

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 20:16
The tories would walk the election

maybe there was a grain of truth in what Ridsdale said. Cameron is a bit lacking in charisma. though not quite as devoid of it as Brown.
Then again, Gordon never had to win an election, did he?

BenGee Posted on 24/02/2010 20:31
The tories would walk the election

Southgates elbow has posted one of the best and well reasoned arguments I've ever read on this board.

Out of interest you can ignore any poll apart from one that include the marginal seats...the one below shows the Tories way way ahead.


Link: Link

Only_Me Posted on 24/02/2010 20:32
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S'gates Elbow, not a lot wrong with what you are saying. There are people that just don't see it when it comes to Liebour MP's.
If only they could see it, they would see that the Liebour party have deliberately stopped them and their children from climbing the ladder, instead choosing to keep them as ballot box fodder.
The grammar schools were a well tried way of allowing the brightest of working class kids to get a rung up the ladder but labour didn't want that for your children, instead they condemned them to a very poor comprehensive system, where the brightest are deliberately left to rot and become disaffected. That is not how a good society should deal with education.
Now on top of that, those that do somehow manage to make it to uni, are lumbered with a debt of around 30K for a decent degree and that's before they have stepped out into the big wide world.
None of those that voted for fees had them to pay and make no bones about it, they would have also had the benefit of claiming grants, regardless of their parents' income but they don't want your children to have the benefit of that.
As far as I am concerned, that is just plain vindictive and spiteful.
So for those that do have a chip on their shoulders, just remember that it's not just weighing you down but your children too.

Personally, I don't have any problem with any parent, wishing to give their child a good start in life, via the public school system, if they are in a position to do so.


What I would take issue with you about though, S'gates Elbow, is in your prediction of 2 local seats for the tories. If we can get Indies to stand in those constituencies, they will win [ref]

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 20:35
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it's not spiteful actually (immoral I'll grant you), it's actually politically astute.
Who's going to vote for the Party that calls itself the Party of the Working Class if there is no working class?
keeping people poor, throwing them the odd carrot now and again, makes perfect sense for the socialists.

Buddy Posted on 24/02/2010 20:35
The tories would walk the election

I've had a longstanding conviction that William Hague will be the next Conservative Prime Minister. I still don't think that's beyond the realms of possibility. Even within six months.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 20:40
The tories would walk the election

The whole point of public schools is that you can put a turd into one, and a more polished eloquent turd will emerge. More to the point is that the connections made will be a great advantage in life. Why, who knows, you might even make friends with people who know the tory leader for instance.

Certainly, it becomes a bought advantage.

You don't have to trawl the annuls of history to realise that the tory party have never been good for working people. Whether it be their opposition to a health service or the minimum wage, The tories are firmly on the side of the privileged.

And the public school system is part and parcel of a system run by the rich, for the rich.

Personally, Elbow sounds like Thatcher harping on about her hard working shop keeper father.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 20:42
The tories would walk the election

Ridsdale, your class envy really is something to ...er...envy?

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 20:43
The tories would walk the election

William Hague[:D]

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 20:44
The tories would walk the election

William Hague as PM.


Funniest thing on here for ages!


Explain buddy?

glitterballs Posted on 24/02/2010 20:44
The tories would walk the election

[rle]people like to pretend they are interested in politics because they think it makes them more interesting but the whole thing is just a charade, public schoolboys getting a decent job, waffling on for 30 years and retiring


well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 20:45
The tories would walk the election

fekk off Dude.
This thread was bad enough before you turned up.

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 20:46
The tories would walk the election

Dont forget the pinching of Public Money bit[^].

Cut em all down in the streets.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 20:56
The tories would walk the election

Only_me, have you thought about becoming a butler or some similar occupation?


You would get paid for grovelling then.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 20:59
The tories would walk the election

at least butleing is work Rids, not sponging.
Do you still get paid by Giro by the way, or does it go into your Swiss account?

Only_Me Posted on 24/02/2010 21:00
The tories would walk the election

" it's not spiteful actually "

Sorry to disagree with you for achange,WHBM but I think it's very spiteful. I agree that it is politically astute but it is also very selfish and not in the best interests of the children in our society.
How many labour MP's send their kids to public schools?
Diane Abbot is one of the worst hypocrits as far as making sure sure that her own has the best but that the rest have to do without.

As for Hague, he is one of the best orators in this country, the other being Dan Hannan, imho. I think he was given the leadership too early, he's just about ripe now though and might well make a good PM, he certainly has more of a clue than Cameron and I don't think Hague would have reneged on the EU referendum issue.
I think if we get a hung parliament Camerons long term position as leader will be untenable.
He consistently fails to nail Brown at PM q's when there is a clear shot at goal. I really don't think he wants to win the election to be honest, as at this stage of the game, he should be leading the polls by at least a clear 20%

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 21:04
The tories would walk the election

He used to drink 15 pints [:D] he`s not a good orator hes a gobschite[:D]

southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 21:09
The tories would walk the election

Ridsdale, that lad, comes from a working class welsh/teesside background, his dad worked at British Steel and ICI, he got exceptional grades but didnt get into oxbridge he got into LSE, he got a 1st class honours degree in Law, Distiction on his LPC, and a first in his masters at oxbridge. He trained at Slaughter and May a top solicitors in London and the world. On top of being a nice lad and very down to earth

He grafted 18 hour days on top of helping out local charities and international ones (he recently returned from Rwanda helping villages get water in his holiday time)

and you know what he is from Teesside and wants the best for the area. If anything you should be proud but you cant can you?

Your left wing conspiracy theories are laughable and quite frankly show you up for what you are... ignorant, prejudicial and filled with alot of jealousy and hatred for those who have done better than you and thats really sad.

Oh and Ridsdale, my dad was born into Poverty in a working class background in Hardwick and did well because of Thatcher and the Conservative Party so stop with your hogwash please its sycophantic at best.


The reason Teesside is on its arse is because of attitudes like yours.

Lets put it this way, i think alot of business owners reading your left wing outpourings of hatred for aspiration and would just think "XXXXXX you, ill take my business and jobs to an area where its appreciated. You sit on your benefits and poverty."

Oh my god, thats just whats been happening to Teesside for 20 years... all the business has been going to Leeds and Newcastle hasnt it?

Strange that? Get out of the 70's Ridsdale its assinine!

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 21:13
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Poverty in Hardwick... bollox
I know Stockton well if you lived in a rough part that was down to background and if you had it rough it was because you didnt try.

Only_Me Posted on 24/02/2010 21:13
The tories would walk the election

" Only_me, have you thought about becoming a butler or some similar occupation?"

How equality conscious you are, though as some of your other views are a bit out of date/backwards, it's a surprise that you didn't suggest head parlour maid!





"You would get paid for grovelling then."

Who have I ever grovelled to Ridsdale?
I don't grovel to anyone, if I have a point to make, I'll make it, whether it agrees, or disagrees, with anyone elses view. I don't follow the pack, or any other indidvidual, never have, never will.
Down there's for dancing, honey!


southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 21:17
The tories would walk the election

By all means come and talk to him Red Shamrock... i think you might be proved wrong.

Dibzzz Posted on 24/02/2010 21:22
The tories would walk the election

He's a proper ginger beer isn't he? Eton Muppet.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 21:23
The tories would walk the election

"Lets put it this way, i think alot of business owners reading your left wing outpourings of hatred for aspiration and would just think "XXXXXX you, ill take my business and jobs to an area where its appreciated"

What nonsense. Businesses locate to an area where the right skills and the right infrastructure exist. Not all investors are childish enough to pick their ball up and go elsewhere because of something on a messageboard. Are you going to set up this business empire of yours elsewhere because of my left wing views?


I would hate to think I lost the area the jobs you are creating. What sort of business are you in?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 21:24
The tories would walk the election

'Eton Muppet'[:D]
I see the heavy hitting intellectuals have arrived. Time for me to run away!!!

southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 21:49
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Ridsdale, i was speaking generally, i apologise if that context wasnt conveyed to you.

Really does business? well Teesside has low property prices, cheap land, lots of redundant skilled workers, great access roots etc etc but Teesside has been dieing for 20 years hasnt it? Under successive governments as well so kindly explain why all the new business has been going to the likes of Newcastle and Leeds? Is it because of the high local taxes?? Business rates etc?? Local authority attitudes not being business conducive? I admit, i would be interested in your reply.

With regards my own personal business dealings, why do i have to explain or disclose what im doing to you? or the rest of this board? I dont and will not.

Oh and "business empire" nope, no where near yet but at least im aspiring to it and if i get even half way to what Gibson or Bannatyne have acheived i will be proud and happy.

I would rather admire and hold up as a role model entrepreneurs who have created wealth, taxation and employed hundreds if not thousands rather than footballers or MP's but thats personal preference.

I imagine your telling young people not to dream or aspire to something?? sad really sad!

Why dont you explain what you are doing for your community? Do you do any charitable work? Do you own a business or thinking of starting one up? Have you stood as a councillor or MP?? Have you done or acheived anything of note?

Oh and yes Ridsdale, why wouldnt i move my business to Leeds, York or Newcastle if their attitudes and workforce were more conducive to my business? Thats a no brainer. Or even further the US, Oz...






well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 21:52
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If Ridsdale ever did become succesful, it would mean selling out, becoming the very thing he despises; hence why he doesn't try.
Simple, socialist logic. Don't understand why you lot can't see it.

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 21:57
The tories would walk the election

I wouldnt be so rude as to doubt you word..but stop this Margaret Thatcher rubbish about how she liberated the poor and downtrodden and made people into Rich Capitalist and there offspring into preachers of it...I did well during them times due to hard graft, luck and observation not through any Politician or Political Methods.

Opportunity and luck has more to do with life for Working class people than Education and Political Method if you obtain it by them means you are merely fitting their bill..by any stretch.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 21:58
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"Oh and yes Ridsdale, why wouldnt i move my business to Leeds, York or Newcastle if their attitudes and workforce were more conducive to my business? Thats a no brainer. Or even further the US, Oz..."


Do what you want, but fukk right off if you think we are not subservient enough to you and your tory mates. As for aspirations, mine and I hope others, are higher for our kids than being grateful to tossers like you who think you are doing us some sort of favour with your pretend business.

I am just an ordinary working guy, but there again, I am not pretending to be anything else.

Just what have you achieved other than being the son of a thatcherite?


blindschool Posted on 24/02/2010 22:01
The tories would walk the election

'Whatever you may think of David Cameron, he still compares favourably with Gordon Brown and every poll says so.'

This is a poll taken from people who watch Dancing on Ice, Bring on the Wall and Big Brother. Does that really make him 'better' or just more physically attractive, unoffensive etc.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:03
The tories would walk the election

'I am just an ordinary working guy, but there again, I am not pretending to be anything else.'
Admit it Ridsdal, with you attitude you could never BE anything else.
(my guess is you half-heartedly tried and failed and became all bitter about it)

WestStandGeorge Posted on 24/02/2010 22:08
The tories would walk the election

What a conceited twit southgates_elbow is

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:11
The tories would walk the election

wise words George, wise words indeed[rle]

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 22:12
The tories would walk the election

How can you even consider to vote for people who have.

Over claimed been caught and handed it back with a sorry note, but acted astounded when colleagues claimed more than them.

Made a Property Portfolio at the expense of the Tax payer.

Fed.. kept warm(bills paid utilities) and local Taxes on the said Portfolios.

Lied to you and tried to avoid the truth coming out into the open.

Your worse than they are.

Its all about the stupid tag you wear, and how you think you are better in the Mind or heart for supporting these robbing barxteds.

we should have hoyed them out and cut em down in the streets... we have let the next generation down by rubber stamping the evil and corrupt way they have exploited our system.

They think they have done no wrong because we allowed it.


southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 22:13
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Red Shamrock, i was giving credit where credit was due. I am not saying the Conservatives are some messianic party merely my parents give credit to Thatcher and the Conservatives at the time for providing a business condusive environment. That is all.



My dad did the same, and i agree with you opportunity, aspiration, hard work, education (not neccessarily qualifications) and a huge dollop of luck are what get you places.

Ridsdale, what have i acheived? Hmm let me think my qualifications are up to masters level in academia and i am a fully qualified professional. I do charitable work and i have travelled around the world professionally so have been exposed to numerous working practices and numerous cultures. I am in the process of starting a business, have got a nice house, great missus, no debt and no debt from university as i had three jobs during university.

Is that enough for you?

Thatcherite? Yup and a million times the man you are or ever likely to be... average working man my arse.

I see little point in debating any further with you as your posts have descended into nothing other than nasty personal insults


ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:16
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"my parents give credit to Thatcher and the Conservatives at the time for providing a business condusive environment."

Mass unemployment and cheap workers. FFS.

What public school did you go to elbow?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:18
The tories would walk the election

at least he went to a school Ridsdale.
You sound like you dropped out at 12.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:20
The tories would walk the election

Can't understand my writing well_hung?


Is my command of English not up to your level?

WestStandGeorge Posted on 24/02/2010 22:25
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Public School boys are a legitimate target. Just like people from Middlesbrough who work in the South.

You cannot grow up in this country and believe that there is no class system. The Tories are the party of the upper classes. They just have to convince enough idiots from the middle and working class to vote for them. They do this by pretending to be the party of hard work and opportunity.

In reality they are the party of inherited privilege and inequality.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:28
The tories would walk the election

Spot on George.


No doubt Elbow will enjoy his dad's inheritance if Dave gets in.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:29
The tories would walk the election

infamy! infamy! They've all got it in for me!
Goddamned persecution complexes. Grow up and stop blaming someone else fo your own failings.

blindschool Posted on 24/02/2010 22:30
The tories would walk the election

well_hung_but_modest

- your contributions to this debate can best be described as niggling and pointless. You remind me of the scrawny little creep who emerges from behind bully to land the occasional kick and then runs back to safety.

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 22:32
The tories would walk the election

Three jobs during University? my daughter had one 5 hrs a night and a Saturday Morning she didnt have time for any more.

What did you study for half an hour a day?

southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 22:32
The tories would walk the election

George, oh dear what durge, people from middlesbrough get "targeted" in London hahaha

or do you go to work in a boro top?

What a fertile imagination you have!

More conspiracies and phantoms george.


What a chip on your little shoulder you have... do you walk in circles because of the weight?

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:33
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"I see little point in debating any further with you as your posts have descended into nothing other than nasty personal insults"


I expect you have little time to continue, what with all the charity work, building your business empire, supporting the tories AND still you find the time to patronise Teessiders.

You are indeed an inspiration........

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:35
The tories would walk the election

I ain't running anywhere. You're the one continues to make yourself look stupid by pointing out what Margaret Thatcher did 20 YEARS AGO.
If you have any sensible points or arguments to make, I'm only to happy to repond in a likewise manner.
If, on the other hand, you're going to wallow in self pity, expect to have the pyss taken.

southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 22:36
The tories would walk the election

I worked 15 hours on a weekend in a department store. I worked a shift on a sat nite and sunday nite in the pub.

During the week, i worked in the Uni library two nights a week (which allowed me to study while working) not hard if you put your mind to it Shamrock my dad, like yourself, have seemed to instilled a work ethic in their children [^]

Oh and my degree is in Law i got a 2.1.

Ridsdale, keep wittering i note you have failed to respond or present any cogent contribution to this debate.

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 22:40
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Thats a lot of Hours while doing a degree course...however it shouldnt be like that and Students shouldnt have to have owe money.

If they want people to fit into their system and earn the country money..the Govt should foot the bill.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:42
The tories would walk the election

"I worked 15 hours on a weekend in a department store."

Shops don't open that many hours on a weekend.

"Ridsdale, keep wittering i note you have failed to respond or present any cogent contribution to this debate."

Aye, shall I pretend to be a businessman like yourself?

FFS. What a Walter Mitty.

WestStandGeorge Posted on 24/02/2010 22:42
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"not hard if you put your mind to it Shamrock my dad, like yourself, have seemed to instilled a work ethic in their children"

Can we have that in English? How much did your Dad spend on your Education to achieve a result like THAT?

He should ask for a refund.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:44
The tories would walk the election

all Ridsdale is capable of is hurling insults.
Wouldn't be so bad if there was an iota of wit in them.

HolgateCorner Posted on 24/02/2010 22:45
The tories would walk the election

If you want to know why the Tories are not walking this election you need only look at some of the underlying attitudes emanating from Southgates elbow's contributions above.

Typical smug Tory who thinks nobody but himself works hard.

Out of touch, like Cameron and Osbourne.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:46
The tories would walk the election

Yes, the ex-working class tories are the worst.

petedreadnought Posted on 24/02/2010 22:47
The tories would walk the election

Do some people realise how pathetic they come across when they start using silly labels like "Liebour", "Bliar" and "Toffs"?

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:48
The tories would walk the election

Sadly Pete, they don't.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:48
The tories would walk the election

you still haven't answered my question Ridsdale.
What IS the process for collecting your benefits these days?

southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 22:49
The tories would walk the election

George, have you bothered to read my posts? No.. i suffer from dyslexia.. or do you like insulting people with disabilities it wouldnt surprise me from seeing the Labourite bullies we have on here!


Walter Mitty Ridsdale, no, i just do not wish to be a poor uneducated fool like you still sat in crap and blaming someone from 20 years ago.

Keep wittering Ridsdale you protesteth too much!

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 22:49
The tories would walk the election

Toffs is acceptable Pete it always been used.
Or Nobs on the hill[:D]

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:50
The tories would walk the election

I don't.

I work.

Now then, with your level of intellect,

how do you survive?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:52
The tories would walk the election

Please Rids, I'm dying to know.
Do you get a giro cheque?
Do you have to stand in a queue and get handed it in a brown envelope?
Does it get paid straight into your bank?

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:53
The tories would walk the election

Uneducated?

At least I don't use dyslexia as an excuse for any limitations I may have. Did your dad pay for a private doctor to 'prove' this disability?

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:54
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'I don't.

I work.

Now then, with your level of intellect,

how do you survive?'

I don't think I have to tell you, I'm sure you already know, but "I am considerably richer than yow"

WestStandGeorge Posted on 24/02/2010 22:56
The tories would walk the election

Dyslexia is just your excuse for stupidity.

Earlier you accused ridsdale of making 'no cogent contribution' [:D] You make grandiose statements followed by unintelligible rubbish. Your punctuation is in all the wrong places, verbs in wrong tense, most words spelt incorrectly, sentences crash into one another.

I cannot believe you could pass a Law degree with written English as poor as that. Standards must really have fallen since I was at university.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 22:58
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He is most likely telling lies George.

petedreadnought Posted on 24/02/2010 22:58
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To be fair ridsdale, you've really not done yourself any favours in this thread, what with your identifiable prejudices and absurd issues with class as well as the pathetic insults you've been needlessly hurling.

As barmy as southgates_elbow can be at times I think he's summarised you up to a tee; you've got a massive chip on your shoulder and have an attitude that contributes to the poor reputation Teesside has developed.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 22:59
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'At least I don't use dyslexia as an excuse for any limitations I may have. Did your dad pay for a private doctor to 'prove' this disability?'

as usual, the Labour apologists, unable to come up with a coherent argument, descend unnerringly to the level of gutter insults?

I'm a one-legged dwarf with munchausens syndrome by proxy and an ingrowing toenail. Come on Rids, give it to me!!

southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 22:59
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Holgate, exactly where did i say that? The only underlying attitudes i have is a want to better myself and my area is that wrong?

I think your seeing evil where there is none but that doesnt surprise me.

The Labourites inverted snobbery makes me chuckle!

Just like their party they are out of ideas, out of touch, hurling personal insults and using boorish and bullying behaviour!

Keep blaming your phantom tories boys as when i last looked Labour have been in charge for 13 years nationally and 20 years and over?? locally.

This is Labours mess not the Tories.

ridsdale Posted on 24/02/2010 23:00
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"I'm a one-legged dwarf with munchausens syndrome by proxy and an ingrowing toenail."



I doubt if you are anywhere that normal to be honest...

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 23:03
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is that really the best you can do? [rle]
oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

petedreadnought Posted on 24/02/2010 23:10
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I think all ridsdale has left is insults.

southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 23:11
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George, [cr][cr]

You make me laugh!! I do have Dyslexia, forgive my spelling and punctuation, i know it lets me down sometimes but that is part of the condition. Its very sad that you poke fun at it though, really exhibits your equality and fairness credentials?

Rank hypocrites and sad failed men

I remember my state school primary school teachers calling me stupid but they were a pack of socialist morons too.

The only unintelligible rubbish i have heard is from idiot socialists like you and ridsdale, typical Boro Marxists with monumental chips on their shoulders and even bigger inferiority complexes. I imagine you give a good speech down the old social clubs dont you? Its all the southerners fault, its all the newcastle mafias fault, its all the tories fault!![:D][:D][:D]

Sad very sad!


HolgateCorner Posted on 24/02/2010 23:12
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southagtes elbow - you make sweeping statements and assumptions about the attitudes, occupations and level of education of people on here when you have no idea about any of them.

Most people on here discussing Teesside, its politicians and its industries live nowhere near the area and have long since moved away to education, work and to get on with their lives.

Just because people support Labour doesn't mean they didn't go to university, have a higher degree, be qualified professionals, married well, or whatever other doubtful criteria you want to use to judge whether or not people have 'bettered' themselves in this world.

You are a typical working class Tory who thinks he has worked harder than anyone lese and is somehow superior.

I bet you even make a point of only travelling first class on the train....

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 23:15
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Southgates_elbow. You really are wasting your time trying to talk sense to these people mate. The wall of prejudice they build around themselves is impregnable. I've tried in the past and failed. Now I just take the pyss. It's all they deserve.

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 23:16
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[:D]

Only_Me Posted on 24/02/2010 23:16
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"
Do some people realise how pathetic they come across when they start using silly labels like "Liebour", "Bliar" and "Toffs"?"

I thought you were having a dig at me for a mo.
Then I realised that since whale_oil_beef was the first one to use the word toff, it must be him that you are having a go at!

I do however, plead guilty, to using the term Liebour, your honour, though in mitigation, this is because they make a very bad habit out of telling porkies, don't they?
So really it is very apt.

As for Bliar, well, let's be honest, he is, isn't he?

[rle]

southgates_elbow Posted on 24/02/2010 23:25
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WHBM, i think your right! I think i will join you on the XXXXXX taking front!

I was trying to debate but it very clearly doesnt work with ridsdale and his leftist cabal they are impregnable to cogent debate.




red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 23:32
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[:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 24/02/2010 23:33
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I was highlighting the absurdity regarding the use of such pathetic labels when attempting to be taken seriously in such debate, Only_Me. Seeing as you're one of the guilty, my comment was in fact clearly aimed at you.

It's the kind of childish nonsense expected from sixth-form bloggers. [rle]

Gillandi Posted on 24/02/2010 23:34
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Buddy is spot on btw, loathe though I am to give any Tory credit Hague has become a very good speaker in the last few years and he's been tearing Harriot Harmen a new one in the house whenever the deputy's go head to head. Camerons all style no substance...like Blair, Hague's smarter than em both.

red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 23:36
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What did he get the Heave ho for then Gill?

Gillandi Posted on 24/02/2010 23:41
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For being a dick wearing baseball hats and talking about supping 14 pints a day. Inexperienced, badly advised lost command of his party early on, didnt recover but the time he spent out of politics seems to have matured him.

His gravitas is probably just an illusion caused by sitting next to all those callow faced phonies and chancers on the Tory front bench. And he still wants burning, don't get me wrong.

Kilburn Posted on 24/02/2010 23:41
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Tories who try to come over all intellectually superior are funny.
Their fundamental ideology that if the government leaves things as far as possible to the privately wealthy to do as they see fit, then better outcomes for everyone will result, is such an obviously flawed premise that it undermines any and all of their attempts to present themselves as credible thinkers.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 23:43
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you're a real lateral thinker aren't you Kilburn?[B)]

Only_Me Posted on 24/02/2010 23:45
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" my comment was in fact clearly aimed at you."

Yes, I know it was. [rle]

However, I do prefer, that if you want to take issue with something that I have said, then rather than skirt around, with vague references to the culprit, that you actually not be such a wuss and confront me directly.
[smi]


red_shamrock Posted on 24/02/2010 23:49
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[;)] get outa that one without moving.

well_hung_but_modest Posted on 24/02/2010 23:51
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yeah, give it to her straight Pete (in a purely non-sexual sense of course)[}:)]

littlejimmy Posted on 24/02/2010 23:53
The tories would walk the election

Cracking read, this.

petedreadnought Posted on 25/02/2010 00:02
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However, I do prefer, that if you want to take issue with something that I have said, then rather than skirt around, with vague references to the culprit, that you actually not be such a wuss and confront me directly.

---

I presumed you were smart enough to know that you were one of those I was referring to.

I'll remember in future to note every guilty name and save them the inconvenience of having to ask awkward questions when they take the hump after having their silly behaviour criticised.

red_shamrock Posted on 25/02/2010 00:08
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Looks like he marks the books[^]

woodymfc Posted on 25/02/2010 00:17
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Wow!! this petedrednaught certainly has his head up his ass.

Are you from Surrey old chap ?

Only_Me Posted on 25/02/2010 00:21
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"I presumed you were smart enough to know that you were one of those I was referring to."

As indeed I am - nothing wrong with your perceptions there!


I'll remember in future to note every guilty name and save them the inconvenience of having to ask awkward questions when they take the hump after having their silly behaviour criticised.

I usually open another window, it saves looking for a pen!
I haven't 'taken the hump' incidentally. I just prefer people to be as straight with me, as I always try to be with others.



" I'll remember in future to note every guilty name and save them the inconvenience of having to ask awkward questions"

By the way, now who's being petty and churlish?

petedreadnought Posted on 25/02/2010 00:33
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woodymfc, I'm not an American so I have an "arse" rather than a "ass". [:D]

petedreadnought Posted on 25/02/2010 00:36
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Only_Me, it wasn't just about you, as much as I'm sure you wish it was. I've duly noted your concerns and as I mentioned; in future I'll make a special effort as to not cause you any further upset or emotional distress by ensuring that any comment about you or that includes you is made clear.

I hope this is a satisfactory resolution and you may return to your grovelling now.

Only_Me Posted on 25/02/2010 00:48
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Very poor attempt Peter [rle]

Obviously you're not above churlishness yourself and there you were, pretending to be all high and mighty. You really are a card!
For a moment there, you had me convinced that you were above such things and of higher intellect, than to resort to the behaviour, that you are so keen to admonish others for but you got one past me.

* Holds hands up * [rle]

petedreadnought Posted on 25/02/2010 00:52
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This is obviously a big issue for you, Only_Me.

Only_Me Posted on 25/02/2010 00:57
The tories would walk the election

No thanks Peter, I have already bought one this week.

petedreadnought Posted on 25/02/2010 01:01
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Go have a read and relax then rather than getting worked up over some comments on a message board.

[^]

robbso Posted on 25/02/2010 01:05
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I find the whole message board malarkey highly amusing.One upmanship,insulting comments,abuse,good humoured banter and on occasion utter drivel.

What i can"t understand are so called educated people arguing and insulting each other over filth.

Thieving,cowardly,sneaky men and Women who even when caught with their grubby little fingers in the till and their snouts in the trough proclaim"we never broke the rules"

Does any one expect whoever wins the forthcoming election to be an improvement?Dream on!

Arguing about expensive watches,swimming baths,what"s for tea and who has the girliest car is the way forward[smi]

Only_Me Posted on 25/02/2010 01:14
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" Go have a read and relax then rather than getting worked up over some comments on a message board."

I'm really not worked up by anything on here, though why you imagine that I am, I don't know but hey ho, if it makes you feel happy to think that, you carry on.
Btw, was already reading as well.[^]



"

What i can"t understand are so called educated people arguing and insulting each other over filth."

You do have a good point. They are filth, every last one of them, whatever side of the house they sit.
Then we have Sally Bercow, wannabe labour councillor, taking the mick out of the working class big time, this evening. The same working class, that are keeping her in clover and very expensive goods and chattels at this very moment.
As you said, filth. Complete and utter filth.

robbso Posted on 25/02/2010 01:19
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So what time did it say on your watch when you left the swimming baths in your hairdressers car to eat your tea.?[smi]

Only_Me Posted on 25/02/2010 01:37
The tories would walk the election

Quarter past 5 [:D]

and what did you have for your tea?


SidSnot Posted on 25/02/2010 01:40
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Good read and good to see that class prejudices are alive and well and positively thriving.

Do people really still used the word "toff". It's so 19th century!


robbso Posted on 25/02/2010 01:42
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Southern fried chicken,done in the oven[|)].

I burnt it,bloody timex stopped,Thought it had been cooking 40 mins.I must invest in a casio.Land rover discovery before you ask,and i did 2 lengths of the shower before i came to work[;)]

Only_Me Posted on 25/02/2010 01:55
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[:D]


" Southern fried chicken,done in the oven."
That sounds nice.

" I burnt it,"
On the other hand ...
[:D]

"bloody timex stopped,Thought it had been cooking 40 mins.I must invest in a casio."

How much would a casio cost? Will it be the most expensive watch on the board? [:O]



" Land rover discovery before you ask,"

You had a land rover discovery, for afters? [:O] Whatever happened to treacle pud[sad] and custard? [|)]


"and i did 2 lengths of the shower before i came to work"
How many miles was that? Were you in Thirsk?


Do you watch Black Books and have a PS3 and a DS, that you play Fifa 10 on, while listening to your I-pod shuffle?


robbso Posted on 25/02/2010 02:02
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The land rover discovery may be a slight untruth but my car is masculine black and tastes nice[smi].

Surely Doggy market still sells Casio watches?

Miles?well about 4 foot in total,going to do some pull ups to make up for it though.

Never watched Black Books or played with any of them toys,too busy watching the Parliament channel.

Only_Me Posted on 25/02/2010 02:22
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" The land rover discovery may be a slight untruth but my car is masculine black and tastes nice."

Tastes nice? I'm not sure that I dare ask how you know that [:O]

"Surely Doggy market still sells Casio watches?"

Only of the highest quality and indeed serious wonga, £1.99 maybe. * Is impressed! *
You'd be the talk of the board if you splashed out that much on a mere trinket.

Miles?well about 4 foot in total,going to do some pull ups to make up for it though.

4 feet? That's a long way to the untrained and very unfit amongst us [8)] I nearly managed to walk a yard last week, before collapsing with exhaustion. Still, I'm in serious training at the mo, hoping to be able to lift up the post before the end of the week.

Never watched Black Books or played with any of them toys,too busy watching the Parliament channel.

* Impressed *



robbso Posted on 25/02/2010 02:32
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Well i got a cake in the shape of a car for my birthday.Amazing what Asda sell.Capitilism rocks[smi]

I am in training myself,i aim to get fit and go on a solo expedition to the Town.My goal is to find the best chippy before moving on to discover the best Restaurant before crashing out exhausted in the classiest hotel Boro has to offer.

Only_Me Posted on 25/02/2010 02:48
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" Amazing what Asda sell"

You shop at ASDA? [:O]
Blimey, I have to rely on Red Cross parcels, except when Aldi has a sale on [sad]


"I am in training myself,i aim to get fit and go on a solo expedition to the Town."
I had a fit of the vapours at the very thought. I hope you will be taking a sled of supplies to keep you nourished whilst on your long trek. I take my hat off to you - As they say though, some men are just born doers and leaders. You are in indeed a hero!


" .My goal is to find the best chippy before moving on to discover the best Restaurant before crashing out exhausted in the classiest hotel Boro has to offer." Not since the days of Columbus and Magellan has your like been seen. It brings a tear to the eye, that you are prepared to attempt such a dangerous and arduous task.
I kneel in your presence.


However, having knelt, my knees have now locked, so on that painful note, I shall wish you a very good night and pleasant dreams. [smi]

and thanks btw [:D]


[;)]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/02/2010 03:02
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'McGellan'

[:D][^]

leave_my_arse_alona Posted on 25/02/2010 04:30
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i went to mcmillan college, then on to UCL.

I lived in halls of residence for two years with over 200 people (193 from private schools, mainly worksop and oundle and only 7 from a state school, including me)
Getting good A-level grades at a private school and again at degree level doesnt mean that you are intelligent and more importantly it doesnt mean you have common sense. The vast majority of these people couldnt open a tin of beans let alone run a country. Absolutely Clueless! A lot of these people were shockingly sheltered. Good people of course and close friends a lot of them, but i dont know if they are just remaining friends with me so I can come round and change their lightbulbs every couple of months. :)

I didnt have a pre conception of private school students until i lived with them. A lot of it is who you know not what you know, make no mistake.

br14 Posted on 25/02/2010 04:41
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"A lot of it is who you know not what you know"

Just about the first thing anyone has said on this thread that is actually a useful contribution.

Buddy Posted on 25/02/2010 07:27
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ridsdale you are an absolute colossus on this board, as we all know, but you don't half struggle when you come up against someone who can string a sentence together.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 25/02/2010 07:39
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Ridsdale - For me you sum up the Socialist minset. You`ve got bugger all, and you think it`s all the fault of the "Toffs", rather than looking to yourself to explain your lack of progress in life.

My dad went down the pit at sixteen, then worked at ICI in the 70`s. When Thatcher came in and made the economic conditions favourable to further oil exploration, he went to work offshore. It was hard work, and meant being away from home for half the year. But by grasping the opportunity presented to him, this man from a Council house ended up with a substatntial detached property, all paid for, with a large private pension and no debts.

It`s all about taking opportunities. To many people on Teesside want to sit and moan and wonder why life passed them by.

mickbrown Posted on 25/02/2010 09:06
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And here's me thinking that public schoolboys are all just arrogant tosspots.

Kilburn Posted on 25/02/2010 09:18
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The thing about the Tory mindset is that it is all about how rich you are.
Tories instinctively judge people based on their wealth. The more money, the more important and credible their opinions are.
You can see it in this thread, it's so ingrained that the Tory posters feel the need to validate themselves by offering a flash of their money, like a baboon baring its red arse to demonstrate its fertility. Bernie with his dad's "substantial property", southgates_elbow with his "nice house, no debt", whbm's (faux jesting) "I am considerably richer than yow", none of them can resist alluding to their financial status for long.

The problem with this shallow, amoral approach is that no distinction is made as to how people made their money, just how much.

Unfortunately, as we've already seen under this labour government and the last tory one, for every admirable entrepreneur like Gibson who become millionaires by creating something, there are fifty who do so by exploiting circumstance, existing wealth, contacts or other people, creating nothing in the process.

The tories want to promote an environment where low taxation and light-touch government free people to make money. They sell the image of this helping the wealth-creating entrepreneur, but in reality it helps the wealth-hoarding vultures equally if not more. They know this, but can't really concieve why it is a problem, because rich is good, right?

WestStandGeorge Posted on 25/02/2010 09:24
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Spot on Kilburn, the continued insinuation by the tories on this thread is that those who object to their politics must be unsuccesful. Not true in the slightest. Just because we have not felt the need to broadcast our incomes or personal wealth.


red_shamrock Posted on 25/02/2010 09:25
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My Dad worked in the North Sea with only a boat and bit and brace..built his own house and even fired his own bricks and grew the timber for the floorboards etc.

I admire him and so let him tell me what to vote[:D]

Oh and he was the only one to ever work[:D]

No not really he was a ordinary hard working bloke who got exactly the same as Bernies but never went on about and would have shot a Conservative if given the chance[:D]

Lefty Posted on 25/02/2010 11:34
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'When Thatcher came in and made the economic conditions favourable to further oil exploration'

The claptrap you spout on here is breath taking Bernie. Have you no shame?

By the time Thatcher came to power those oil fields were already well under way, to such an extent that Jim Callaghan actually predicted that whoever won the 1979 election would likely stay in power for a long time, due to the windfall of North Sea oil and gas revenues which were beginning to role in and would increase in that period.

It was the Oil Revenue that allowed her to carry her policies out! You make it sound like it was the other way round, you utter cretin.

By the way, the North Sea Oil revenue also strenghtened the value of sterling which made our manufacturers uncompetitive abroad. Thatcher decided that rather than do something to help the manufacturing industries in a long term view for when the oil ran out, she would let them all wither.

It is funny how the role of North Sea Oil is overlooked or played down by those trumpeting Thatcherism, yet it was clearly the elephant in the room. The woman herself thought it only worthy of six passing references in her autobiography.

southgates_elbow Posted on 25/02/2010 12:19
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Kilburn, another contradictory statment.

Let me see, you attack entrepreneurs for exploiting their contacts etc but then admire Gibson.

You are aware Gibson exploited every contact he had in both the Labour Party and Labour controlled Local Government through his councillor status to get his first contracts for his company?

I note again, your use of the "im alright jack" analogy concerning my circumstances but let me shed a little light on those shall i?

If you read a thread not so long ago, i lost my job in the Iron & Steel trade and have been working for free (earning my dole money not expecting it) for a local charity helping and advising those considerably less fortunate than myself.

Fortunatly, in that time period and just this week i have been offered 2 positions one full time and one part time with said charity.

I know what its like to be made redundant and be on the dole but i did something about it. So no its not a case of im alright jack more of a case of finding an opportunity and making it happen.

The mistake you make, is this is an opinion board and just that. Everyone, in a democracy, has a right to an opinion. I have tried to debate in an reasoned factual manner but have been subjected to some seriously sick minded abuse from the likes of Ridsdale and WeststandGeorge (who i suspect are the same person) which shows up their equality and fairnes mantra up for what it is.

Weststand george lost all credibility on this board and in his argument through his people from middlesbrough are "targeted" in London comment and then him quite nastily taking the XXXXXX out of my disability.

Ridsdale, has been personally offensive throughout this debate and on other threads has been shown to be anti semitic.

People asked for a ban on MFC_ITK for inventing some spurious transfer rumours well i would rather have that then the racist, nasty, discriminative rantings of Ridsdale and Weststandgeorge so would respectfully request that they be subject to a ban also.

These attitudes do not surprise me from boorish, bullying labourites.

The only poster from the left that i can give credit to is Red Shamrock who i admire for at least having some principles and sticking to them. He or She has at least attempted some form of educated debate without sinking to a personal nasty level.

Middlesbrough's people are supposedly touted as being the friendliest in the country but quite frankly the disgusting abuse i have been subjected too from the likes of george and ridsdale and others bring that statement into some serious doubt.

You bring shame on your community and shame on your football club.

Getting back on topic, my points in my first post still stand to call people "toffs" or have a go at people going to public schools merely shows you to be prejudicial, ignorant and ill educated.

Labour already tried the toffs and class warfare tactic in the Crewe Nantwich by election and lost there is your proof that this type of prejudicial, ignorant ranting gets you no where.

In addition, please by all means keep doing it and also keep blaming your phantom 1980's tories it will guarantee a substantial election defeat for you.




zaphod Posted on 25/02/2010 12:28
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Most of this thread is rubbish, in my experience:
The majority of Teessiders do not have Marxist chips on their shoulders. The likes of Ridsdale are a tiny minority.
I've never found any prejudice against Teessiders in London, having lived here for 40 years on & off. London is full of Northerners of various descriptions.
I've known many many public schoolboys, including my son-in-law, and the vast majority are normal & not toffs (whatever that is).
I'm well-educated & well-off, but have never voted Tory. My Dad, on the other hand, voted for MacMillan, despite being a manual labourer.

John67 Posted on 25/02/2010 12:32
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'Middlesbrough's people are supposedly touted as being the friendliest in the country but quite frankly the disgusting abuse i have been subjected too from the likes of george and ridsdale and others bring that statement into some serious doubt.

You bring shame on your community and shame on your football club'

Wat a fcking [:o)]

southgates_elbow Posted on 25/02/2010 12:46
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So John, whats your opinion on attacking someone for suffering dyslexia? eh?

"Wat a fcking" says it all really![rle]

WestStandGeorge Posted on 25/02/2010 12:53
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elbow, it must have taken you all morning to write that: it's still full of errors [:D]

If you are really dyslexic you would surely use a grammar and spelling check or is cutting and pasting beyond you?

My supposed loss of credibility is for stating that Public School boys are legitimate targets for derision. Northerners are subject to some derision from some people in the South, as are Southerners in the North. That is just the reality.

Why do you feel the need to document and justify your entire life on a football message board, unless you are making most of it up?

[:o)]

Lefty Posted on 25/02/2010 12:54
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Mr Elbow,

I think you need to calm down and re-read Kilburns posts carefully.




southgates_elbow Posted on 25/02/2010 13:09
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George, very sad.

nasty little prejudicial, ignorant person you are.

Lets deal with what you say eh?

Public school boys are not subject to derision thats just small minded morons like you. I wouldnt judge anyone on their upbringing or which school they went to. As you do it exhibits the kind of person you are.

Small minded, prejudicial, bigot

I note your attempt to lessen your comment from londoners "targeting" people from middlesbrough to the southerners/northerners banter.

Nice indirect acknowledgement of my point about your idiotic remarks. An apology would have been better but that concession will be enough!

Justify my life, nah George just using stuff like fact and experience to have a debate not prejudice, bigotry and hatred like you.

What a clown you are george!

[:o)][:o)][:o)]

Kilburn Posted on 25/02/2010 13:09
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I think, southgates_elbow, that you would've been helped by reading what I wrote properly before responding to it.

You would've seen that I don't attack entrepreneurs who create something. Far from it, just those who use their contacts, existing wealth, etc, without any positive outcome other than self-enrichment. You might also have spotted my criticism of the current government, preventing you from confusing me with someone who supports it.

Furthermore you might've better comprehended the argument I was making about the right's unquestioning validation of wealth, rather than misinterpreting it so wildly. Finally, before descending into a rant about who was nasty to you, you suggest that I was somehow wanting to deny your right to an opinion. Not at all, I was just musing on the mindset from which those opinions spring.



southgates_elbow Posted on 25/02/2010 13:36
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Kilburn, i have read your comment properly please do not be patronising,

"Unfortunately, as we've already seen under this labour government and the last tory one, for every admirable entrepreneur like Gibson who become millionaires by creating something, there are fifty who do so by exploiting circumstance, existing wealth, contacts or other people, creating nothing in the process."

Please if i have misunderstood your point, then i apologise, but i do not think i have.

Gibson himself exploited contacts, circumstance wealth and other people yet you call him admirable. There is a contradiction there that i would like you to explain.

"You would've seen that I don't attack entrepreneurs who create something. Far from it, just those who use their contacts, existing wealth, etc, without any positive outcome other than self-enrichment. You might also have spotted my criticism of the current government, preventing you from confusing me with someone who supports it."

But the point is all entrepreneurs start a business with the mindset of self enrichment be it through wealth or doing good. What other reason would you do it? Every entrepreneur going has created jobs and subsequently taxation through their activities so therefore added value and positive outcomes.

Forgive me, but it sounds like you have one rule for an ex labour councillor cum entrepreneur and another for other people.

Gibson is just as guilty as those you accuse of using wealth, contacts etc for self enrichment.

Please can you explain exactly what other positive outcome you expect?

I never raised issue as to whether you supported the government or not.

"The rights unquestioning validation of wealth"

Wealth is the bi product of any kind of business/employment success if it isnt why do you work? have you never asked for a pay rise? have you never tried to make any money on the side?

Oh and rant about people being nasty?

No, challenging, prejudicial ignorant comments or do you belive attacking somebody's disability is acceptable?








Kilburn Posted on 25/02/2010 14:19
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I see where the misunderstanding lies.
To clarify, I was contrasting entrepreneurs, defined as applying to someone who creates value by offering a product or service, with non-entrepreneurs, defined as those who make money without creating any value. I think you've interpreted me as contrasting two types of entrepreneur.

I could've been clearer and written:
"Unfortunately, as we've already seen under this labour government and the last tory one, for every admirable entrepreneur like Gibson who become millionaires by creating something, there are fifty [others, not entrepreneurs, but the likes of currency and property speculators] who do so by exploiting circumstance, existing wealth, contacts or other people, creating nothing in the process."
and:
"You would've seen that I don't attack entrepreneurs who create something. Far from it, just those [non-entrepreneurs, exploiters] who use their contacts, existing wealth, etc, without any positive outcome other than self-enrichment."

And to clarify on my second point, I have no problem at all with wealth per-se, but it is important to me how it is earned, and I see a lot of very undeserving rich people in this country.

WestStandGeorge Posted on 25/02/2010 14:47
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Ha, ha! Winding up jumped up little Tory boys is funny. I say a few words, he spills his guts out and tells us the next chapter of his life story [cr]

You aren't dyslexic, you are autistic. You've found the right home working in a charity shop with the other patients.

Still, you would probably be good in Casinos [:o)]

rivals_oldschool Posted on 25/02/2010 15:24
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Thats not something constricted to millionaire entrepreneurs Kilburn.

It's human nature, everyone does it on differing scales.

It's no different from me using a contact to get a job somewhere over somebody else.

The capitalist economy has one thing going for it, it beautifully exposes the weak entrepreneurs. In the words of Warren Buffett "It's only when the tide goes out that you learn who's been swimming naked."

See Alan Stanford, Bernard Madoff or the current Labour party for reference.

The recession gapingly showed how they were simply one trick pony’s, conducting massive fraud.

This idealistic system your looking for doesn’t exist.

Lefty Posted on 25/02/2010 15:33
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I think the thing most annoying Mr elbow about Kilburns posts is ‘Tories instinctively judge people based on their wealth…. it's so ingrained that the Tory posters feel the need to validate themselves by offering a flash of their money, like a baboon baring its red arse to demonstrate its fertility….’ [:D]

Kilburn has been posting for years and I know nothing about him, not even if Kilburn is his surname, his place of birth or his favourite tube station, yet from this thread alone I know so much about Mr elbow to suggest he is a particularly naughty baboon.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 25/02/2010 15:56
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Sorry to prick the socialist bubble, but you get a pretty good idea of a person`s success in life by what they have aquired in terms of material posessions, the clothes they choose to wear, the places they go on holiday and so on.

That`s not to say that those of more modest success are not without value. You see some very well kept council houses from time to time, with well tended gardens. Real gems in the rough.

Lefty Posted on 26/02/2010 09:55
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Good god, did you really write that in a serious way?

I'd normally say it must be a wind up, but with you Bernie, I'm not so sure.