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Lisbonlegend Posted on 04/01/2010 17:14
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I have been hugely impressed with some of his decision making so far albeit disappointed with many of our recent results. Strachan came in and the initial surge of results didn't come, possibly because we weren't at rock bottom, more like floating aimlessly and mostly because the players he inherited aren't good enough.

He has since outlined that we are in dire need of attacking options, the players we are being linked with definitely fit the bill. He got rid of Brad Jones who was a total disaster and replaced him with the more reliable Danny Coyne. He recognises that there are players out there working their socks off who need better players around them, not the likes of Emnes, Yeates, etc. that contribute nothing. We have looked a lot more solid at the back since he ditched St Ledger with both Riggott and Pogatetz forming a fairly solid partnership with Wheater. The team lacked any backbone, grit or determination and Strachan will hopefully get the funds to address that in this transfer window.

Onwards and upwards under the Wee man once he gets those building blocks in place thsi month.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 04/01/2010 17:15
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Agreed.[^][^]

Bandy Posted on 04/01/2010 17:18
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spot on. He has also realised that O Neil fits the bill as the best possible captain.

Sitrep Posted on 04/01/2010 17:20
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No doubt in my mind that he will get us into the playoffs.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 04/01/2010 17:26
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Very good point that I missed their Bandy, relieveingg Wheater of the responsibility to allow him to concentrate opn his game and giving it to O'Neill who is more suited. I also think Justin Hoyte has revelled in the confidence that Strachan has shown in him. He was dogsh_it against Newcastle but has since proved to be very reliable and also scored a great goal against Barnsley.

gravyboat Posted on 04/01/2010 17:33
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'great goal against Barnsley' [:D]

Are you now at the stage whereby you just pick a random subject title, and see what reaction you get?

red_shamrock Posted on 04/01/2010 17:37
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Glad to see the leader of the Southern Boro fans being upbeat and leading fron the front.

Knock them soft southern belles into shape[^]

TeeSv Posted on 04/01/2010 17:37
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'Save' the club from what ?

flickster Posted on 04/01/2010 17:41
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Another Strachan thread with no solid substance to justify his appointment, apart from he sounds like he's a mean git.

He got rid of Brad Jones for the OBVIOUS reason in that he was useless.

He didn't want rid of SSL, he is actually quoted as saying he tried to persuade him to stay but St Ledger had made his mind up, so is this a lack of his ability to spot what we can all see, SSL was crap ?

Choosing O'Neill as his captain was another obvious choice, Pogatetz was out injured, the others were too young, he only had O'Neill to choose from, after realising that Wheater was only captain as a Southgate appeasement prezzie to the fans, local lad, heart in the club etc....

How many people, don't realise a club needs a striker. Every new manager nearly always looks to bring in a spine of players, Centre Backs, Midfielders and Strikers.

Let the results tell you about Strachan, you can't do better than FACTS !

joebonano Posted on 04/01/2010 17:42
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Lisbon-are you related to Strachan.I understand your view but dont share your blind faith in his capability.
With regard to Hoyte he scored a fluke at Barnsley and although I thought he played O.K. on Saturday there is no way a bloke who cannot kick the ball with his left foot should be playing as first choice left back.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 04/01/2010 17:45
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Took him 8 games to "get rid of Jones" simultaneously with a fans uproar.

Wonder why he continues to switch wingers from one side to the other (like the previous manager) ??

I think the jury is still out on WGS following the terrible run we have had.
Pressure is on him to bring in the right players in the next 4 weeks

grantus Posted on 04/01/2010 17:47
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Have to agree with Lisbon's comments about Hoyte, he was going nowhere fast under Southgate. Under Strachan he might have an outside chance of a World Cup place. His wonder goal will have done him no harm at all.

mwelolo Posted on 04/01/2010 17:52
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This from the man who was earnestly assuring us Southagte would get it right as recently as halfway through last season.

Now it would seem that Strachan's shortcomings are all down to Southgate!

red_shamrock Posted on 04/01/2010 17:53
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[:D] Hoyte

flickster Posted on 04/01/2010 17:54
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Hoyte, an outside chance of the world cup hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Are England looking for a new Kit man ? He has as much hope of getting in World Cup squad as me and I'm over 40.

joebonano Posted on 04/01/2010 17:54
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Grantus have you taken your medication today?Hoyte for England!!!!-dear dear me.

grantus Posted on 04/01/2010 17:58
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What? Who would have thought that Osbourne would be looking like the next Paul Ince when he first arrived? All credit to gordon Strachan for that too.

mwelolo Posted on 04/01/2010 17:59
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I think it was perhaps irony.

red_shamrock Posted on 04/01/2010 17:59
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Trained eye[^]

flickster Posted on 04/01/2010 18:01
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I cant' make up my mind if this is witty sarcasm from Grantus or he actually believes what he writes.

Osbourne, the new Ince. I can see the slight similarities in that they have similar body shapes, 2 arms, 2 legs, similar skin tones and erm......sorry no don't see any footballing similarities whatsoever and if you do, then you are a poor judge of a player. Ince would still walk into his position now at his age.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 04/01/2010 18:46
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Southgate never managed to see what was wrong with Brad Jones but Strachan got shot in double quick time.

sasboro1 Posted on 04/01/2010 18:50
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yes but strachan rates marcus bent. i cant even remember him ever hving a shot on target

Lisbonlegend Posted on 04/01/2010 18:52
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That is why we aren't trying to sign him then.[rle]

Sitrep Posted on 04/01/2010 18:57
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The fact is there was no one available other than Bent, and the fact that he is with us for another 12 days says Strachan doesn’t rate him.

SidSnot Posted on 04/01/2010 19:02
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I hope you're right Lisbon and I do admire your positivity.

What's clear from the first eleven games though is we've chosen a Manager who can / will only do it his way with his type of player. Gibson needs to dig deep to back him so there are no excuses. It's make or break time!

sasboro1 Posted on 04/01/2010 19:11
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he rated him enough to tke him on loan. southgate would have got hammered fro tking him on loan. has he had a shot on target yet?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 04/01/2010 22:50
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Southgate signed Lee Dong Gook on a permanent transfer. Bent had 2 shots on target against Scunthorpe. Loan signings are hit and miss, there was plenty of people on here saying Bent would do a good job and the same about Kitson, unfortunately neither really worked out. Strachan had a fortnight to try and get some decent dtrikers in, Southgate had 3 and a half years and still couldn't manage it.

HolgateCorner Posted on 04/01/2010 22:56
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good thread this[^]

Nobody seems to mention that Strachan has totally changed the way we play, moving the ball from the back, through the midfield to the wings with the full backs getting up in support. te team develops attacks properly. He's binned the chaotic stuff that appeared time and time again at the back end of Southagte's reign.

The Man City match, as those who actually attended will know very well, showed we are a proper striker or two away from being a very good side.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 04/01/2010 23:02
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I agree HC, against Man City we looked solid at the back, moved the ball well in midfield but we simply had nothing up front.

One point I missed from my first post was young Franks, he had a slow start against Barnsley but grew in confidence and was arguably our best player against Man City. Could do a great job for us on that right flank and great to see.

HolgateCorner Posted on 04/01/2010 23:06
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Lisbon - agree about Franks. He had an excellent second half on Saturday and seemed to get stronger and better as the match went on.Let's hope he keeps it going because he will be a real star of the future if he does.

bear66 Posted on 04/01/2010 23:08
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I liked it better when we were getting 5+ shots on target every match and a similar number of shots off target. We are now worse than the McClaren era with 11 behind the ball and the odd shot on target every game. We've gone back three years in 11 games.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 04/01/2010 23:10
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He did well running at them and his ball retention was excellent. Where Emnes and Yeates were simply gifting the ball back to them he was shielding and working to make sure he kept hold of it under pressure. I hope the lad keeps on improving under the guidance of Mr Strachan.

We now have the basis of a decent team with the exception of up front.

Coyne
Hoyte
Wheater/Riggott/Pogi
McMahon/Williams
Johnson
Franks
O'Neill
Digard / Williams
Aliadiere

Lisbonlegend Posted on 04/01/2010 23:12
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bear66, that is what happens when you get rid of Viduka, Yakubu, JFH, Job, Maccarone, Nemeth and replace them with Emnes, Aliadiere, Lita.

JLinardi Posted on 05/01/2010 00:45
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Great post Lisbon, agree with everything in it. Flickster if everything was that obvious how come southgate didn't change any of it? He persisted with jones longer than strachan did, it was southgAte who wanted to blow 4m on st ledger and southgate was going to solve our striker crisis by spending a further 2m on caleb folan.

Now bent and kitson may not have worked out but they were far better avenues to go down than folan. Your reaction to grantus sarcastic hoyte post says everything about how your mind works.

SidSnot Posted on 05/01/2010 00:58
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As a self confessed fan of Gareth - even I have to admit.. Caleb Folan [xx(] [DFS]

Mind, do we know for definite he wanted to buy him? Seems like Bent isn't a lot better.


Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 01:10
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Sid, what about Alves, Mido, Emnes and Dong Gook Lee?

SidSnot Posted on 05/01/2010 01:15
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Alves - every fcuker on here creamed themselves when we were in for him. Imagine the grief he and Lamb would have got if we hadn't got him.

Mido - panic buy after Yakubu shafted us.

Emnes and Dong Gook Lee I concede without reservation. Please add Huth and Digard to this list. When will we ever learn about buying players who seem like great value with dodgy injury records. Once a sicknote, always a sicknote.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 01:15
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Coventry - Strachan helped the Sky Blues pull off perhaps the most unlikely relegation survival in Premier League history. After losing their penultimate league game, it looked as though their 30-year top flight tenancy had come to an end. But thanks to a victory on the final day, a draw for Middlesbrough (who had been deducted 3 points by the FA) and a defeat for Sunderland, they pulled off a miracle survival. Strachan kept Coventry safe from relegation until 2001, when they finally went down after 34 years of top division football. He was sacked shortly after the start of the 2001–02 Division One campaign.

Southampton - Most pundits had already written them off come Strachan's appointment in October 2001, but he turned round their fortunes and they finished 11th in the Premier League. The Saints progressed further in 2002–03 when they finished eighth and reached the FA Cup final, where they lost 1-0 to Arsenal. But since Arsenal had qualified for the UEFA Champions League, Southampton qualified for the 2003–04 UEFA Cup.

Celtic - He had an embarrassing start to his campaign as Celtic manager, however, losing 5-0 to Slovakian champions Artmedia Bratislava on 27 July 2005 and 3 days later only managing to draw 4-4 with Motherwell in his first SPL match in charge of the Glasgow club. The loss against Artmedia meant that Celtic suffered an early exit from European competition, despite winning the return match 4-0.

After this disastrous start, Celtic started to improve under Strachan, leading the SPL by as much as 20 points despite playing with a defence that came under regular criticism from the media and fans. A low-point was the shock defeat in the third round of the Scottish Cup to First Division Clyde on 8 January 2006. However, the following month his team made history when they beat Dunfermline Athletic 8-1, a record victory margin for the SPL.

Strachan's first season was ultimately successful as he coached Celtic to victory in the Scottish League Cup and, on 5 April 2006 his side clinched the SPL title in record time and with six matches remaining. Reflecting this achievement, Strachan was voted 'manager of the year' by the Scottish Football Writers' Association 8 days later.[5]

The following year Strachan restructured the team and made a series of signings, bringing in players such as Hibernian's Derek Riordan, Chelsea's Jiri Jarosik, Lee Naylor from Wolverhampton Wanderers, Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink from PSV Eindhoven, Thomas Gravesen from Real Madrid and both Paul Hartley and Steven Pressley from Heart of Midlothian. Celtic flourished, and by mid-January 2007 held a 17 point lead in the SPL standings.

Champions League football again returned to Celtic Park as well, the team having automatically qualified for the group stages and being drawn alongside Benfica, FC Copenhagen and Manchester United. Home victories against all three Group F members saw the team progress to the final 16 of the Champions League for the first time since the competition was re-formatted in 1993. Celtic lost the tie, against eventual winners AC Milan in extra time, missing out in a place in the quarter finals.

On 22 April 2007 Strachan guided Celtic to their 41st league championship, and second in succession. A 2–1 victory against Kilmarnock [6] left Celtic 13 points clear of Rangers with four matches remaining. Later that day Strachan was recognised as the inaugural Scottish PFA Manager of the Year for 2007. Celtic then went on to win the SFA Cup, beating Dunfermline.

In the 2007–08 season, Strachan was able to lead Celtic into the last 16 of the Champions League again after beating AC Milan, Benfica and Shaktar Donetsk. However by April there was a lot of criticism from the press and the fans after the 1-0 loss to Aberdeen in the Scottish Cup quarter final and the 1-0 loss to 10 man Motherwell in the league. But he was to prove the critics wrong again and after beating Rangers twice at home, on 22 May 2008, Strachan became only the third ever Celtic manager to guide the club to three consecutive Scottish league titles.

After failing to lead Celtic to another league title in the 2008/09 season, he stepped down as manager on 25 May 2009.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 01:18
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That is 3 clubs all of which had relative success and at all of them didn't get off to the greatest of starts. The man knows what he is doing but probably didn't realise how poor we had become under Southgate.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 01:19
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Sid, to be honest I thought Alves was mismanaged for us and we didn't see the best of him. Mido was a tit and we should have done our homework on him rather than waste our money.

SidSnot Posted on 05/01/2010 01:24
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I know people share that view re Alves, but the lack of interest from anyone else anywhere when we were trying to offload him spoke volumes imo.

SidSnot Posted on 05/01/2010 01:45
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eesh - Lisbon you little fibber. 3 bad starts....

"Southampton - Most pundits had already written them off come Strachan's appointment in October 2001, but he turned round their fortunes and they finished 11th in the Premier League"

So basically at Southampton he turned it around with the same group of players.

My theory is that there are competent and incompetent managers. The incompetent ones don't tend to last very long in the game (might include Southgate), which leaves the fact that most do actually know what they are doing. Whether they are then successful at a club comes down to two things - chemistry and available money. Chemistry is about whether they fit the clubs culture, the playing staff, backroom staff etc etc. Money is money.

Look at Billy Davies - disaster at Derby, pulling trees up at Forest; Fat Sam - god at Bolton, a fat dodgy tached bloke up the road. Christian Gross - Spurs then Basel. Bruse Rioch - Boro and Arsenal. Venables - Boro and Leeds. Mick McArthy etc etc. There's loads of examples of managers being successful at one club and not at another. I do think that's about chemistry. It's one of the reason's I'm worried about WGS start.

JLinardi Posted on 05/01/2010 03:54
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Fully agree with you about tHat chemistry thing sid, Keegan and Newcastle could probably be used as the finest example. I guess that's why a lot of people wanted Mowbray here as they probably believe he will have that chemistry with Boro, can't see him lasting too long at Celtic to be honest.

br14 Posted on 05/01/2010 04:04
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What happened to Southampton when Strachan left?

Hoyte - who apparently has improved confidence, was the target of his manager ire when he passed through the middle against City and cost us the game.

Billy Davies pulled up trees at Derby in the Championship - then was a disaster in the Premier League with Derby. Because the Championship can be won with energy and work, but the Premier League is a different ball game.

All these "chemistry" managers fail miserably when up against Premier League managers that understand the game technically and manipulate their squads rather than coercing them.

In Strachans defence he's had abysmal luck with injuries (is it down to his intensive training measures?) although so did Southgate last season to be fair.

I think he'll turn things around - providing he can land one or two of the players he's after.

JLinardi Posted on 05/01/2010 04:10
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Southampton got relegated the season after he left. It was when harry redknapp went there I think.

br14 Posted on 05/01/2010 04:12
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That was my point. They'd messed themselves up financially.

SidSnot Posted on 05/01/2010 04:40
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By "chemistry" I don't mean charisma. There are plenty of managers who've been both successful and unsuccessful in the Premier League with different clubs. Hoddle, Keegan, Fat Sam, Paul Jewell, Mark Hughes(ish :), John Gregory etc). My point is that their methods have to work at the club they go to. I also said money is important too and it's probably the most important indicator.


flickster Posted on 05/01/2010 09:19
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Surely its mainly about the players, if they are not good enough to start with, no coaching methods will help.

If you give any manager the best in the world, they will look good. Imagine Southgate going to Spain and working with Barcelona, do you really think that bunch of players would flop overnight, not a chance.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 09:22
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but we have got worse under strachan, that's the point I think quite a few people are missing. So the players are under achieving and strachan's man-management skills are questionable

bear66 Posted on 05/01/2010 09:39
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No one's missing any point - this is all still a 'Southgate out' reaction and will continue until every player who played under Southgate has moved on . . . no matter how many managers come in the meantime. Strachan is proving that Southgate was a rather good manager. He wasted money . . but so does Sir Alex and the rest. Man U going for a £24m out of form striker in January . . . . those are the stakes necessary to 'succeed' these days

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 09:59
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Sas, what you fail to realise is that we have played different teams, under different circumstances with different players. Southgate had the comfort of Huth, Tuncay even Aliadiere. As soon as Huth went we have been on a downward speiral which is why Southgate was sacked. We were humiliated 5-0 on our home ground against West Brom, beaten 1-0 by Leicester so the pattern had already been set by the previous incumbent. Did you not witness the feeble failings of the previous manager? Losing a 2 goal lead at Coventry when we should have been out of sight, hapless performances because the players simply aren't good enough.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 05/01/2010 10:03
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Only one man can "save" this club and he is the guy that signs the cheques. if he doesn't give Strachan funds in January then this season is a right off.
Strachan as put further pressure on himself to succeed post January because of the awful start Boro have made under him and the "they're not my players" argument will evaporate.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 10:08
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Looking at Strachans games in caharge there is an issue that stands out like a sore thumb, the complete lack of goals. Performances themselves haven't been particularly bad with the exception of Blackpool but the fact we have struggled to even score just highlights the fact that SOuthgate sold off a wealth of attacking talent and failed miserably to replace them.

Plymouth 0-1 - Failed to score, hit by sucker punch
Palace 0-1 failed to score, hit by a sucker punch
Forest 1-1 Failed to kill them off, allowed them back into the game
Peterborough 2-2 - Failed to kill them off, allowed them back into the game
QPR 5-1 Took our chances, won comfortably
Blackpool 0-3 rubbish
Cardiff 0-1 failed to take our chances, hit by sucker punch
Newcastle 0-2 failed to take our chances
Scunthorpe 3-0 Took our chances
Barnsley 1-2 Lacked any attacking threat and failed
Man City 0-1 Lacked any attacking threat and failed

bear66 Posted on 05/01/2010 10:09
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WBA - two unlucky goals followed by multiple chances to win the game - WBA put away all their chances that day (they don't most days as their booing fans when they are second in the league demonstrate)

Totally outplayed Leicester and the young Bennett lost the ball from which they had a three on tw

Coventry - a messy match that we managed to get on top of. Lita had the ball on their goal line with less than 20 seconds of over time left . . . and fouled the defender! Lost us two points

The pattern is simple - we had a great chance of going up with Southgate - Strachan can only take us down as he is weakening the side with every match. I hope the Barnsley selection and subs wasn't an attempt to force Gibson to give him money to waste on another set of significantly poorer players than we already had - the Guardian reckoned that was the ploy in the Man C game as well

MarlonD Posted on 05/01/2010 10:09
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I was happy when we appointed Strachan but for me the jury is most definitely still out. Still makes some mystifying team selections i.e. Arca on the right/left or anywhere.

Who he gets in this month will make or break this season and quite possibly his tenure in the long term.

Anyway good luck to him as he fcuking needs it.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 10:14
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Actually bear66 we didn't have a great chance to go up under Southgate. His last 10 matches yielded only 4 wins, that is bottom half of the table form. In that run was 3 home defeats without a single goal (West Brom, Leicester and Watford).

Won 4 Drew 1 Lost 5


JLinardi Posted on 05/01/2010 10:36
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Just point out that the Derby home game, that although we won our performance was just as bad as the previous (leicester, watford) home games. The win was down to individual work by Johnson.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 10:42
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january is a big month for strachan. to make the play offs we have to go on a good run until end of the season and lose no more than about 5 games if we want to make the play offs. i see forest havent lost for about 13 games and thats the sort of run we need. if we do make the play offs then i think we will have to get past WBA as i think forest will snatch 2nd place.

problem is we have lost too many games already and cant afford anymore slip ups even tough we have a few tough away games ahead. i think our home form will improve but our away from will decline because there are tough away games ahead

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 11:43
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Sas, we have no chance of making the play offs unless Gibson gives Strachan some cash.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 05/01/2010 11:46
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If he doesn't give hime the funds then the burning question is why appoint him in the first place ??

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 11:52
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looking at the remaining fixtures do you feel confident that we will lose no more than 5 games? most teams who reach the play offs dont lose more than 13 games in the season. only ispwich and reading have made the play offs in last 7-8 years by losing more than 13. most of the teams around or above us have lost no more than 6 games which is on track for about 12-13 defeats over the season.

we are going to have to go on a good run but got some tough away games. need to sort out our home form and get a winning run together.

i think the damage has already been done for this season.

mwelolo Posted on 05/01/2010 11:56
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We will end the season in the Championship.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 12:02
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It's quite simple really, if we don't go on a good run then we don't deserve to go up in the play offs and we have to continue to rebuild at the end of the sesaon. The world doesn't end with failure to reach the play offs.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 12:06
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no it doesnt end. but it has a massive impact on season ticket sales, club's income and ability to pay back the loan they have refinanced and then impact on who we can afford to sign and keep. gibson was only planning for 1 season in the championship.

captain5 Posted on 05/01/2010 12:07
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I think bear66 needs to put his undoubted love for Southgate to one side.

Whether he likes it or not, it's a mess that he ot us into. It's only whether Strachan can get us out of it that matters now.

"A rather good manager" [:D]

Bandy Posted on 05/01/2010 12:11
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If Strachan brings in these supposed players will people stand up and take notice and actually think, maybe he does know what he is doing or will they moan that we have too many jocks in the team and he only signs his mates?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 12:12
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How we finish the season and competitive pricing will dictate season ticket sales next season and not necessarily promotion.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 12:16
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the attendance against man city is a warning shot. if we dont go up then i can see 10k season ticket holders next season. they may have to follow cardiff and off a free premier league season ticket if we get promoted.


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Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 13:06
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Why is it a warning shot, we've often had poor attendances in the past for cup games.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 13:09
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not against decent premier league sides we havent. have we had a fa cup game as low as that before at the riverside?

Bandy Posted on 05/01/2010 13:14
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sas, you are missing the point. Everyone knew it was going to be like it was, thats why they didnt go.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 13:22
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like what was?we probably played the best we had played at home for a while. i would have expected a decent turn out to watch a game and team like mancity. loads of season ticket holders didnt turn up out of protest. its a warning shot to gibson to get things sorted before next season. he shouldnt get complacent that people will renew this time round.

fans are seeing through gibson interviews on radio before season ticket deadlines. next time fans will wait and see.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 13:31
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Attendances are not all about the football though, the current economic climate and also the weather plus the timing (straight after the festive season) had a big effect on attendances.

bear66 Posted on 05/01/2010 13:37
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"How we finish the season and competitive pricing will dictate season ticket sales next season and not necessarily promotion."

Of course we're going to get promoted - it's the priority - the chairman has spoken. A new manager will be given 17 matches to get the 51 points we'll need to get up. Hopefully we'll get a couple of points in the next 5 to give the new manager a fighting chance

Old_Gregg Posted on 05/01/2010 13:47
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"Nobody seems to mention that Strachan has totally changed the way we play, moving the ball from the back, through the midfield to the wings with the full backs getting up in support. te team develops attacks properly. He's binned the chaotic stuff that appeared time and time again at the back end of Southagte's reign."

Unfortunately that "chaotic stuff" actually got us points. At the moment it is only the points Southgate won early in the season that are keeping us out of a relegation battle. I shudder to think where we might be if we had started the season with Strachan in charge.

Smoggy_Dave Posted on 05/01/2010 13:50
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Plus, the discipline factor throughout the club.

For the last 3-4 years, the players have been loved and spoiled by the management team. You heard stories of Cattermole gettin barred out of pubs in Stockton, Woodgate starting XXXXXX in the changing rooms (no suprise there anyway from that D I C K H E A D)amongst other things.

Its back to the Mclaren days, when, to his credit, you never any bad press coming out of the team. No one was goin out and gettin XXXXXXe faced etc.


flickster Posted on 05/01/2010 13:54
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I'll put my hands up and say if Strachan turns this club about with good signings and a desire to play for boro, I'll back him 100%.

Until then I can only stick with my opinion I have always had of him of a poor manager who fluked a top job in scotland and has achieved nothing in English football and even the hardened supporters of him should base their faith in results not fortune telling.

Old_Gregg Posted on 05/01/2010 14:00
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"Plus, the discipline factor throughout the club.

For the last 3-4 years, the players have been loved and spoiled by the management team. You heard stories of Cattermole gettin barred out of pubs in Stockton, Woodgate starting XXXXXX in the changing rooms (no suprise there anyway from that D I C K H E A D)amongst other things."

You have just named two players that Southgate kicked out of the club for discipline issues. What is your point?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 14:03
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OldGregg, too little too late I am afraid. Under Strachan Cattermole would have been kicked into line and put in the team.

Smoggy_Dave Posted on 05/01/2010 14:06
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Exactly! Good managers would of either wrapped an arm around Catts or put him into shape instead of selling him on.

Selling him is an easy option instead of...shock..managing the players.

bear66 Posted on 05/01/2010 14:07
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"Unfortunately that "chaotic stuff" actually got us points. At the moment it is only the points Southgate won early in the season that are keeping us out of a relegation battle. I shudder to think where we might be if we had started the season with Strachan in charge."

That's exactly right. The movement of players opened up space to create goal scoring chances by the hatfull and got us points. The only Strachan performance that mimicked thay 'chaotic' play was QPR away with GO'N, Arca and Yeates appearing all over the midfield and opening them up time and time again. I (sadly) joked at the time that Strachan would put a stop to that.

Hopefully the Southgate points will just keep us up but if we follow the trajectory of his first 10 games we go down with 2 games remaining based on last seasons table

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 05/01/2010 14:12
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"Under Strachan Cattermole would have been kicked into line and put in the team"

So he is capable of taking someone else's players and making them into a cohesive force ?? So he has deliberately chosen to let us only win two from eleven games ??

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 05/01/2010 14:16
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It's a very subjective opening post. Yeah we look more solid with Riggott and Pog in there but they were both injured under Southgate. You later say when Huth left we collapsed - Huth was a Southgate signing who I doubt he wanted to let go.

I don't think Brad Jones was half the disaster people make him out to be. He's not a particularly good keeper but there were and are far bigger problems in the side (note, we're not exactly firing with Coyne in the side).

As for the style of play, I think it's got noticeably worse. There's a myth about having to play it direct in the Championship. Well West Brom's continued success at this level suggest passing football can be just as effective. From the away games I've been to we looked far more dangerous before Strachan arrived. Home seems to have stayed equally as ineffective.

I think with a few million in Jan we could get back in the playoffs. But had Southgate had a few mill in Jan I would have expected exactly the same, if not better.

This is not really about defending Southgate, that debate has been done to death. It's more about the blind faith people are putting in Strachan with very very little evidence to back it up.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 14:22
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Stabilo, it is not a Strachan v Southgate contest. The point was that the team were far poorer without Huth and talk of promotion was pie in the sky with only 4 wins from 10 after he left.

Brad Jones failed to inspire any confidence in his defenders which in itself was a problem aswell as the many individual errors he did.

I think the style of play changed and doesn't match our current squad members hence the lack of goals as Strachan tries to change the way we play in order to make us more consistent. As in noticably owrse, I don't remember particularly enjoying any game I have watched this season with the exception of QPR although I wasn't at Swansea or Sheff Wed. The home games were shocking.

And this blind faith you speak of, where is it? I think you misconstrue constructive positivity with blind faith.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 05/01/2010 14:27
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I get what you're saying about the form tailing off after Huth left. But what's changing that is the return of injured players. I don't see why their return would not have had a similar effect whoever was in charge.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 14:29
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Interesting point and we will never know but St Ledger was a Soutgate signing and his form was poor. Do you think he would drop his expensive signing for one of the returning centre backs?

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 05/01/2010 14:34
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Well he dropped Alves [;)]

Dunno really, I think he rated St Ledger. And he's probably a better player than we saw but I'd like to think SG would've broken up the Wheater / St Ledger partnership somehow as it clearly wasn't working.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 14:36
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i will be impressed with strachan if he brings in a centre back and drops wheater

Smoggy_Dave Posted on 05/01/2010 14:38
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Bring in three centre backs?

We've Riggott, Pogi, Wheater and Hines don't forget.

Although, maybe addin one more won't hurt for numbers.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 14:38
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at least 1 centre back will be sold in january

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 14:39
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He said that St Ledger complemented ALL our other centre backs and then played him with Wheater with whom it just did not work. Strachan looked at it and got rid, providing we can keep any combinations of the 3 of them injury free plus Gary Cladwell we should be well off at the back.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 14:42
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"at least 1 centre back will be sold in january"

Says who? And why would he drop Wheater??

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 14:43
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wheater has been rubbish this season, again at fault on saturday.

we have too many centre backs. clearly another one coming in so we let 1 go. either riggot or pogi. both on high wages and out of contract int eh summer? how many centrebacks do you think we need?

joebonano Posted on 05/01/2010 14:46
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With regard to the obvious deterioration in our performances away from home Strachan has never had Aliadiere available in an away match.I know he gets plenty of stick but we have missed his pace and clever movement off the ball away from home.

PIECHUCKER Posted on 05/01/2010 14:47
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"He has also realised that O Neil fits the bill as the best possible captain."

Masterful statement. He's the only footballer we've got unless we make a
"wantaway" winger skipper.

I am still to be convinced that a man who has never won a managerial trophy in England in his life and somone who has dropped 18 more points behind the Geordies is a runaway success.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 14:47
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I disagree, you are far too flippant with your rubbish remarks. Wheater and Huth were the best defensive pairing in the Championship until we sold Huth and then his form suffered with St Ledger. He has looked a far better player next to both Pogatetz and Riggott and has been excellent in the psat few games. Wheater is also only a young lad who will continue to improve. I believe we need 4 good centre backs.

captain5 Posted on 05/01/2010 14:51
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PIECHUCKER - you're going to be waiting a while to be happy then if you're wanting a trophy winner in England to come here, unless we get McClaren back.


sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 14:53
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wheater has had a poor season. he looks better with a good centreback alongside him so that tells you how good he is. he is quite experienced now and should be leading by example. he is slow and turns like a tractor and gets caught out too much. his marking is poor and considering he is from redcar he isnt very physical. if he wasnt a local lad he would have been dropped by now. st ledger was poor but he wheater is jsut to blame.

again, man city goal showed his slack play and poor marking

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 15:14
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What absolute rubbish, Wheater has not had the best of seasons but has been a class act since he began his career. He was struggling with injury against Man City and had a great game. Only a sad sack like you would criticise Wheater, I bet you were calling for Cattermole and Downing to be sold aswell you miserable get. He is 22, our only ever present and one of our youngest ever captains.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 05/01/2010 16:34
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I would say StLedger and Wheater are of equal ability. But only on old performances by Wheater. Not on anything I have seen this season. He was the weakest link against Man City. He needs to be given a rest to refocus him that he is not an automatic choice. A Centre Back needs to be bought to do that or play Williams there. From what I have seen of him he is much more prepared to muscle people off the ball than Wheater

Sitrep Posted on 05/01/2010 16:42
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bear66 Posted on 05/01/2010 09:39
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No one's missing any point - this is all still a 'Southgate out' reaction and will continue until every player who played under Southgate has moved on . . . no matter how many managers come in the meantime. Strachan is proving that Southgate was a rather good manager. He wasted money . . but so does Sir Alex and the rest. Man U going for a £24m out of form striker in January . . . . those are the stakes necessary to 'succeed' these days

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a post from you where, when mentioning Southgate; you manage to make a comparison with Sir Alex Ferguson, just sums you up really, your hero worship over Southgate is embarrassing.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/01/2010 17:25
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it does seem that wheater gets extra protection from blame cos he is young, 'inexperienced', hasnt a decent centreback alongside him, and a local lad. i thought against man city riggot had a better game. and he makes a rubbish captain. he needs a break from playing

Lisbonlegend Posted on 05/01/2010 17:55
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Being young is obviously a reason for inconsistent performance, only an imbecile wouldn't realise that. Also, you are showing how very naive you are and the fact that you haven't played the game before at any standard. When playing at centre back it is imperative that you strike up a good relationship and also complement the other centre back in order to produce your best performances.

Wheater thrives on having a real ball winner next to him in either Riggott or Pogi at the moment to allow him to sweep and read the game. By the looks of it St Ledger was also the same type of player as Wheater but not as good so they both lacked a real presence in there to take command. Hence the reason they couldn't perform together, Preston fans even commented on the same thing about Ste Ledger that he needs an experienced head alongside him. It's not an excuse or protecting Wheater, it is simply the truth. Also, the full backs play a key part in a good defensive unit and after giving the ball away against Man City, Hoyte failed to get round and cover Wheater.

Being a local lad has nothing to do with it other than we see him from the start rather than pick up the finished product. Hence the reason you get idiots criticising him when they should be supporting his development.

Old_Gregg Posted on 05/01/2010 18:57
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Don't be silly Lisbon, you know as well as any of us that Wheater has been poor for over a year now. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but if we had sold Wheater in the summer and kept Huth I suspect we would be higher up the league than we are at the moment.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 17:24
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I don't agree, inconsistent rather than poor and also our failure to score goals has heaped more and more pressure on our defence.

bear66 Posted on 06/01/2010 17:28
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consistently poor until riggott was next to him at barnsley . . .

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 06/01/2010 17:34
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The ease with which Wheater is shrugged off the ball is very scary. EMbarrassing actually.
And he was as much to blame as anyone for the Man City goal. More so seeing as Benjani ran right across him and he never got near. Not even another forward for him to worry about.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 17:35
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Huth and Wheater were the best partnership in the division bar none. As I previously mentioned, Wheater played through the pain barrier for Man City as he was a big doubt for the game. It was more a great run by Benjani than a defensive mistake, sometimes you have to credit the opposition.

Old_Gregg Posted on 06/01/2010 17:51
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"our failure to score goals has heaped more and more pressure on our defence"

That might seem true at first but it is glossing over the truth:

Preston away - scored 2 but only got a point due to sloppy defending.
Coventry away - as Preston
Forest at home - lead for a long time but threw it away and were lucky to get a point.
Barnsley away - led at half time and threw it away.

Even QPR away we conceded a sloppy goal soon after going 2-0 up that may have cost us under different circumstances.

Blaming our lack of goals for poor results is ignoring the key point that our defence has not been up to scratch since Huth left.

Please don't get me wrong, I love Wheater as a local lad made good, and in no way do I want to force him out of the club. I just think there's only so long we can keep putting his mistakes down to inexperience.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 17:54
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I didn't say it was true in every case but it is true in some cases. Just because you score a goal doesn't mean you will not concede. But if you hardly ever score then defenxively you don't have anything to protect and the games becaome harder.

All those games you mentioned bar one where with the Wheater - St Ledger partnership which simply did not work. I agree, the defence hasn't worked since Huth went, up to the point where St Ledger left. I think we have looked very solid recently.

mwelolo Posted on 06/01/2010 17:56
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We didn't look too solid against Barnsley.

bear66 Posted on 06/01/2010 17:58
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I thought we did . . . they didn't look like scoring for all but two seconds. Their first was a fluke and the second a midfielder problem. Riggott also looked the part up front when we were chasing the game

mwelolo Posted on 06/01/2010 17:59
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"The ease with which Wheater is shrugged off the ball is very scary. EMbarrassing actually.
And he was as much to blame as anyone for the Man City goal. More so seeing as Benjani ran right across him and he never got near. Not even another forward for him to worry about."

He was also nearly done due to slopiness/weakness early in the first half agains Man City if you recall.


Old_Gregg Posted on 06/01/2010 18:00
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"I think we have looked very solid recently"

Really? I don't. Fair enough, we looked solid enough against 10 man Scunthorpe, but Barnsley? Man City - defensive error for their goal? Newcastle?

I agree we look marginally better than when Wheater and St Ledger were together in defence, but very solid is going way too far.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 18:01
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Fiar enough then, Wheater must be rubbish then, if you say so. You believe what you like and I will continue to support one of our most promising homegrown players ever. A player that is one of the youngest captains of the club, was in the England squad at the age of 19 and is our only ever present this season.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 18:05
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Yes, since we got rid of Jones and St Ledger I believe we look like a solid defensive unit.

Barnsley game - I believe it was the failure of our system to cope with their three runners from midfield rather than us looking poor defensively against them. Riggott was probably our man of the match and Wheater had a very good game.

Scunthorpe - clean sheet and never looked in trouble. Both Riggott and Wheater played very well

Man City - Barely had a shot, other than their goal where Hoyte gave a daft pass and we were left exposed. Again solid games for Both Wheater and Riggott.

mwelolo Posted on 06/01/2010 18:08
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"our only ever present this season."

Well that certainly hasn't been due to his form on the pitch.

Let's see if this continues if Strachan is successful in his pursuit of Calderwood.

The_Dude Posted on 06/01/2010 18:14
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i agree on some of the things you have stated, but to say strachan is having an overall positive effect on the team is obviously incorrect

2 wins in 11 is XXXXXX poor by anyones standards, and just because strachan does a few things you agree with, i, and many others can point of tactical flaws in certain games and baffling team selections in a lot of games

i hope strachan turns it wround, of course i do, boro fan for years, but just because he sends st ledger back and makes gery o'neill captain, i wont be singing from the rooftops until he actually does what is most important, winning us football matches

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 18:15
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Which bits do you agree with Dude?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 06/01/2010 18:54
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Although I am pretty certain he will get it right he has thus far also made some very odd decisions, as well as some good ones.

The main thing I would take issue with LL is the suggestion he inherited a poor squad - it was anything but that, despite needing one or two obvious additions.

Lets not kid ourselves, he has underachieved in huge doses so far.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 18:59
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The squad he inherited was terrible. He had a goalkeeper that was a complete disaster, a partnership in central defence that didn't work, no idea who our best full backs were, A midfield bereft of any creativity, one decent winger who is now always injured and no strikers. In what way does that constitute a good sqaud?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 06/01/2010 19:01
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The league position when he took over strongly suggests otherwise.

It was and is as good as most in the CCC - dont be fooled into thinking otherwise.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 19:06
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The league table wasn't a true reflection of the strength of our squad. 3 home defeats out of 4 without scoring prior to Strachans arrival told us everything. Without Huth, Tuncay or even Aliadiere we are simply poor.

bear66 Posted on 06/01/2010 19:10
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WBA and Newcastle have had far worse runs than Boro had with Southgate . . didn't get rid of their managers . . and they're doing OK. We changed our manager and have a record in the last 10 matches that puts us close to the bottom of the whole of the football league in terms of points per game

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 19:14
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Do you actually go to the games, what an outrageously incorrect statement that is.

If you actually look at all the teams we beat under Southgate you will see a very familiar patter. They are all in the bottom half with the exception of Swansea who were still reorganising after losing their manager and were on a poor run of form.

Swansea - 6th
Doncaster - 14th
Derby - 18th
Ipswich - 19th
Reading - 20th
Scunthorpe - 21st
Sheff Wed - 23rd

So the only team we beat above 14th position was Swansea. We had lost 3 out of our last 4 home games prior to his sacking without scoring a single goal, including a humiliating 5-0 defeat against West Brom. So lets not kid ourselves here, the squad which Strachan inherited was bereft of quality and backbone.

Out of our games against the top 13, we have only beaten QPR (under Strachan) and drawn with Forest (under Strachan) and Sheffield United (Under Southgate).

Now sit there and tell me what a brilliantly wonderful squad we have that can match anything in this division.[rle]

bear66 Posted on 06/01/2010 19:23
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Well, just taking those last 6 games under Southgate where we lost 3 out of 4 at home :

WBA W2 (including Boro) D1 L3 7 points
NCL W2 D2 L2 8 points
Boro W2 D1 L3 7 points

So let's play 'sack the useless manager' - Gibbo did and, whilst we were one point behind Newcastle, now we're 11th and 13 and 19 points behind 2nd and 1st place WBA and Newcastle

woodymfc Posted on 06/01/2010 19:26
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Good write up Lisbon, have you got a degree ?

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 06/01/2010 19:31
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Wheater is in very poor form. Just as Jones was. Same should apply. Our lack of cover means he gets a game. If Caldwell is signed he and Riggott should be starting.
I would even play Rhys Williams instead of Wheater. At least he is prepared to get stuck in.
Plymouth defeat is in Wheaters court.
Cardiff goal. Preston's second. All have his stamp on them.
He's been getting too many games and not enough teaching. Got into the England squad without merit.
Any arguments about Huth are irrelevant now. He ain't here.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 19:32
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I don't really get your point in comparing Newcastle and West Broms points during that period as they already had more points than us despite playing superior opposition. We failed to beat a single team in the top half as Swansea were in the bottom 3 when we played them.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 19:32
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Woody.[:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 19:38
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Ponderosa, I won't argue with you about Wheaters form. He has cost us goals but he is still a good defender and at the age of 22 will get stronger, quicker and once he becomes a man he will be an awesome prospect.

woodymfc Posted on 06/01/2010 19:38
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Happy New Year fellow Nam man!!!

I'm off out for an icy cold smoothy, it's boiling hot here [:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 19:40
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Happy New Year to you too, it's baltic here![ref]

woodymfc Posted on 06/01/2010 19:42
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TBH.........I can't help smiling

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 06/01/2010 19:42
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He could be a marvellous defender. As you say, awesome. He needs to know that centre forwards won't break if he hits them hard and a ball in the stand is better than one in the goal. GS needs to educate him about positioning and OPENING HIS FECKING GOB.

But most of all he needs to justify his name on that teamsheet and the sooner the better.

C'mon Boro

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 19:44
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Yep, he does need to justify his name on the team sheet and it will be interesting what Gordon does when he has both Pogatetz, Riggott and Wheater available.

bear66 Posted on 06/01/2010 19:48
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LL - if Gibson really started looking at replacing Southgate after the WBA result . . . and then 5 games later WBA and NCL were losing to teams we'd beaten . . he must have wondered if he was being a complete idiot. Well, 10 games later and he now knows the answer to that question . . . .

. . . could have been £30m+ next season in the Premiership and now it's more likely the last parachute payment in league 1

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 06/01/2010 19:49
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I would play all 3; Pogi LB and Hoyte at RB

But I would also go all out to buy as good a LB as we can afford.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 06/01/2010 19:51
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What makes you say that, since Southgate signed when have we ever looked like a good side? Don't forget Southgate knocked 10,000 fans off the gate so it appears that a lot of people don't share your blind optimism.

So, it's best that you put this oddness to bed now as you can spout on about what Southgate WOULD have done all you like but the reality is we will never know and he had more than enough time to get it right and he failed majestically. TIme to move on mr bear66.

bear66 Posted on 06/01/2010 19:55
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I move on every week and every game . . and it's time to cut our losses

woodymfc Posted on 06/01/2010 20:30
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We have had far bigger problems than what we have today, if we can remember that and support Strachen in finding his way in clearing the mess he inherited it would be a big help to him and the players.
If we do get sorted soon and find some form then who knows how this season will turn out as we are just a few wins away from the play off's which would be a very good turn around.

Let's forget the past and build on a new future with Strachen at the helm.

Hopefully this weekends game is called off to give us a bit more time with tuning our squad.....

C'mon Boro

HolgateCorner Posted on 06/01/2010 20:48
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amazed that a debate is raging about the defence when it is obvious that strikers have been the problem last season and this.

Southgate had run aground when he got sacked because most teams had sussed that if you stopped Johnson you had a good chance of stopping us altogether.

Strachan has changed our style so that we are less dependent on individuals pulling us through, but he can't complete the picture without a couple of good strikers.

You can't blame him for wanting to run a proper team - he played for Aberdeen and Man U under Ferguson you know. He knows what good looks like.

If he can pull a couple of good signings off this month then the play offs should be easily achievable.

Borointheskywithdiamonds Posted on 17/01/2010 20:27
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Not long 'till the end of the month. [rle]