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The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 19:49
derby county absolutely embarrass us

[V]averaging close to 30000 coming so close after the lowest points total ever in the premiership, fans ignoring the fact the club can't afford to spend millions on better players and turn up with tremendous loyalty to there clubs colours and badge


embarrasing, and complete contrast to middlesfickle fc

and yet some fans call derby a lesser club, pathetic

slipshod Posted on 15/12/2009 19:52
derby county absolutely embarrass us

What are there ticket prices out of interest.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 19:54
derby county absolutely embarrass us

they charge more than boro

so you'll have to think of another good excuse to use


Link: evidence is there for all to see

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 15/12/2009 19:54
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Dude, you embarrass us, you clown.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 19:54
derby county absolutely embarrass us

If you go to the game on a regular basis or are ST holder how can you be fickle.

Those that turn their back on the club are fickle, Middlesbrough have never been a well supported club in the past.

slipshod Posted on 15/12/2009 19:57
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Dude, chill out man, i was asking a genuine question.

oldsmoggie Posted on 15/12/2009 19:57
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Most expensive 38 cheapest 27
Diferent category games different prices

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 19:58
derby county absolutely embarrass us

[:D]thanks corcaigh, but as your well aware, i take pointless personal insults as a compliment, as it merely highlights a complete lack of intellect

i do see however, you simply have no answer to the derby comparitor, as it makes your usual 'hard done by fan' XXXXXXe utterly unfoundable, so all you can do is post insults

like i said, its a compliment

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 20:00
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Derby are better supported club than Middlesbrough and maybe it may have always been the case..thats it no arguement.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 20:01
derby county absolutely embarrass us

[^]but you do agree oldsmoggie, that there fan base is excellent compared to ours, after there recent abysmal premiership performance that makes our relegation season looks like a champions leage win

didnt they only win 1 game in that season?

30000 loyal followers, unlike our shower of XXXXXXe

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 20:01
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Save it for the people who dont go.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 20:04
derby county absolutely embarrass us

no, part of that is for the 1000-2000 people who booed our keeper 'BEFORE' the game kicked off

we are an embarrasment to world football

flaps Posted on 15/12/2009 20:06
derby county absolutely embarrass us

derby is twice the size of middlesbrough

oldsmoggie Posted on 15/12/2009 20:06
derby county absolutely embarrass us

I do agree however I am in a difficult position as after being a regular since 1967 over the last few years I've gone less and less and now dont go at all. In fact I've turned down freebies from suppliers such is my lack of interest.
I used to be baffled when I spoke to older people who had stopped going over the years not being able to imagine ever not wanting to go to my beloved Ayresome.
But its happened.

gustavolombardi Posted on 15/12/2009 20:07
derby county absolutely embarrass us

they have XXXXXX away support though

flaps Posted on 15/12/2009 20:08
derby county absolutely embarrass us

"we are an embarrasment to world football"

[:o)]


We're not an embarrassment. Nobody outside of Teesside gives a toss about how well we do or our attendances.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 20:09
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Dude has a valid point nobody seems big enough to agree with.

The amount of excuses posted on here for low attendances are exactly that.

No good reason why people cannot support the team better, and if you goto matches then dont take it personally because its obviously not directed at you.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 20:09
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Its called a Boo boy... a player the crowd for one reason or another begin a hate campaign with, its not right but it happens.

I could name half a dozen who have been tortured and one or two won them over.

Tony Mowbray never got off to the best of starts David Mills used to get and awful lot of stick.

flaps Posted on 15/12/2009 20:10
derby county absolutely embarrass us

"Dude has a valid point nobody seems big enough to agree with."

It's not a 'point' it's a statistic. Derby currently get bigger crowds than Boro. It's not something that can be discussed.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 20:12
derby county absolutely embarrass us

But flaps it is discussed one here.

stay away fans constantly discuss it all the time, are you blind?

flaps Posted on 15/12/2009 20:14
derby county absolutely embarrass us

How many fans Derby get does not have any relevance to Boro's crowds. If you want to discuss stayaway fans at the Riverside then go for it, but comparing Boro's attendance with any other club isn't going to get you answers.

12_Afonso Posted on 15/12/2009 20:14
derby county absolutely embarrass us

The population of Derby is over 110,000 people more than Middlesbrough (considering Middlesbrough is only approximately 125000). Not to mention the fact that Nottingham is but a stones throw away, where, I know for a fact alot of Derby fans live.

Just noticed flaps' reply.


SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 20:17
derby county absolutely embarrass us

flaps its dead easy honest.

we have low attendances which are blamed on the clubs ineptitude or lack of finances (which some think is the same thing).

Dude has given an example where fans can still attend when their club could be classed as more than guilty of our failings, but they still go.

That makes the stayaway fans arguments redundant, basically just showing them up for the excuses they are.

Now if you are not in that category of stay away fans you shouldnt really have a problem with it.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 20:17
derby county absolutely embarrass us

of course its relevant, you put the two teams recent success side to side and using the logic boro fans use as an excuse for not turning up, derby would get crowds of about 5000

the fact they XXXXXX all over us despite just coming back off the worst team in the entire history of top flight league, when they won a single game all season, and have had terrible results since

30000 to see 37 year old paul dickov up front every week


Towell Posted on 15/12/2009 20:17
derby county absolutely embarrass us

We sold the Riverside out when we were last relegated. Maybe they like Little Cloughy, who gives a fuq really.

If people don't want to go so what?
We're utter shyte I don't blame them.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 20:18
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Dude we never have been a well supported club. Has this just dawned on you?.

12_Afonso Posted on 15/12/2009 20:19
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Bleh.

flaps Posted on 15/12/2009 20:20
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Actually Boro are something like 16th in terms of all-time attendances.

Which isn't bad for a town our size.


Link: from the NUFC site, so you know its true

r00fie Posted on 15/12/2009 20:22
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Leicester City an forest dont get great attendances and never have, even in their respective "good" times. Cloughie often bemoaned the nottingham public for not supporting the team.

Leicester has 1 million people within less than a 20 mile radius, but the tight gets dont go ....... the catchment bit is a misnomer.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 20:22
derby county absolutely embarrass us

"If people don't want to go so what?
We're utter shyte I don't blame them."


Bingo, Towell says it all about boro fans.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 20:22
derby county absolutely embarrass us

do you think by the nature of my posts its just dawned on me red, or couldnt you be arsed reading them

i was there in the holgate as a kid, 8000 crowds mate

this population XXXXXXe, boro fans just come with any old excuse, middlesbrough, thornaby, redcar and cleveland, norton, etc, we are the only club in an area that populates half a million people

pathetic excuse, using subjective demographs

AlBoro1984 Posted on 15/12/2009 20:22
derby county absolutely embarrass us

XXXXXX off and support Derby then. If we get it right on the pitch the crowds will come back. 97/98 proves this.

redwurzel Posted on 15/12/2009 20:23
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Derby is a bigger place and the County City with alot of feeder towns like Belper, Matlock, Ashbourne, Buxton. Its not a Town.

Didn't they bring 500 to the Riverside this season?

A fairer comparison with Middlesbrough is some where like Bolton or Blackburn or Huddersfield.

Senor_Chester Posted on 15/12/2009 20:28
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Theres no point in aiming a reply at dude as he can't have a debate, he's right and thats it.

Someone posted earlier that he is an embarrasment to the board, he is. The sooner he's gone the better.

No need to reply to me dude, we're talking about you not to you.

benboro1985 Posted on 15/12/2009 20:29
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Middlesbrough population 142,691

Derby Population 248,404

Just like the one I posted on you're other bull sh*t thread which you didn't answer to

Also there ground is 44000 so a thousand more fans in a 44000 stadium turning up than ours wont make a difference in atmosphere

and why do you hand pick you're teams to compare why don't you ever uses Sheffield United Nottingham Forest ect

oldsmoggie Posted on 15/12/2009 20:36
derby county absolutely embarrass us

What Pride Park has a 44,000 capacity are you sure?

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 20:37
derby county absolutely embarrass us

bosh.

benboro1985 Posted on 15/12/2009 20:38
derby county absolutely embarrass us

I might be wrong mate have a check i'm sure it is

flaps Posted on 15/12/2009 20:39
derby county absolutely embarrass us

33,000 apparently

flaps Posted on 15/12/2009 20:40
derby county absolutely embarrass us

The_Dude: please edit your post before it causes offence to those with relatives with Downs syndrome. Thanks.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 20:40
derby county absolutely embarrass us

and why do you hand pick you're teams to compare why don't you ever uses Sheffield United Nottingham Forest etc'


[rle]yeah, sheffield united and forest are getting more fans in than us as well

any other embarrasing requests ben

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 20:43
derby county absolutely embarrass us

The is a certain hardcore Dude its as low as 5/6000 and it can get lower.

For Me its fanatical,obsessive, kin stupid.

I used to go to work Contracting in the Steelworks, ICI, booze in the clubs/pubs and just generally about Teesside....No one give a bugger and were considered a laughing stock by our own people.

After 86 it did become better slowly..when they built the new ground all these aresholes who post YES IVE BEEN GOING SINCE BLAH..NEVER FOOOOKING WENT BEFORE..

Ive seen em and witnessed it with my own mincers. The Teesside public are as fickle as they come and always will be.

The new breed post Ayresome.... now for my mind are a better lot of supporters imho although spoilt..when I look around the ground its just about all young uns.

You have a lot of Jack Charlton/Neal even Murdoch supporters around my age but they soon foooked off when the fare was poor and relegation happened.

The biggest shock I ever had as a Boro fan was the QF of the UEFA cup we never sold out and for me If the Teesside public couldnt understand the signifcance and magnitude of the occasion...well that just said it all.

The 40 to 55 year old supporters if you can call them that are shan and tell more porkies than soft mick about there love of the Boro and there attendance at games.

Kin Liverpool supporters.

Rant over. by the way it wasnt a History lesson it was just how I saw it.

And Stockton support puts Middlesbrough in the shade always has always will, and I was born in Middlesbrough.

benboro1985 Posted on 15/12/2009 20:47
derby county absolutely embarrass us

33,000 it is stand corrected

Dude when have I lied and embarrassed myself on the last post?

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 15/12/2009 20:49
derby county absolutely embarrass us

also let me point out that my company has a branch in derby, they do exactly the same job as me but are on a lot more money because of geographic location.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 20:50
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[rle]you said why don't i use nottingham forest and sheffield united

i just have, they both get better attendances than us, despite having terrible recent years

and i've told you in the last thread, being lazy with your facts just leads to ridicule, i trust next time you want to try and force your opinion, try and get your facts right, i takes up too much of my time constantly correcting you

benboro1985 Posted on 15/12/2009 20:51
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Link below

[rle][rle][rle]


Link: embarrassed by The_Dude

loftusloyal Posted on 15/12/2009 20:59
derby county absolutely embarrass us

move the club 10 miles away ,the people of boro dont want it ,couldnt even be bothered to go to hartlepool in 1986 when they neede you .

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 20:59
derby county absolutely embarrass us

"i take pointless personal insults as a compliment, as it merely highlights a complete lack of intellect"

Finally, something that I can agree with wholeheartedly. Personal insults do reveal a lack of intelligence. Absolutely right Dude. On the money. No doubt about that. 100% correct.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 21:00
derby county absolutely embarrass us

[:D]

oldsmoggie Posted on 15/12/2009 21:01
derby county absolutely embarrass us

RED SHAMROCK what on earth was that about ?
It made no sense at all.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 21:01
derby county absolutely embarrass us

[rle]i'm not sure why you have posted a link to a random thread we have both contributed in ben

i'm sure there is some pointless reason, that enables you to exist for the next 10 minutes, but i can't think of one

oldsmoggie Posted on 15/12/2009 21:01
derby county absolutely embarrass us

RED SHAMROCK what on earth was that about ?
It made no sense at all.

1finny Posted on 15/12/2009 21:02
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Jaysus christ
'Derby have more fans than Boro shock'
Next you will be telling us Man Utd have more fans than us.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 21:03
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Loftus they were getting more of a Buzz thinking we had gone the Journey.

3690.

Ill be fair 6500 Bury

benboro1985 Posted on 15/12/2009 21:03
derby county absolutely embarrass us

You say I embarrass myself and make lies up?
The minute Gordon S got off to his bad start you were on his case.
Slagging his record off, comparing him to Southgate, ect at a time were you should of been backing him as a Boro fan
Then you say Boro fans a fickle[rle] with booing ect you've been one of the biggest boo boys towards Gordon S so I don't know how you can sit there and write tosh about support and getting behind the club

I'll give you one thing you're better at making you're point than I am but everybody knows what you have said in the past I haven't lied about what you've said

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 21:09
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Well Old Smoggie it was just to point out we have always been during my time as a Boro supporter..poorly supported.


SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 21:14
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benboro, but he is right [:D]

WGS is failing miserably so far, after he said he would be getting the best out of the players he has, they are worse under him.

Towell Posted on 15/12/2009 21:50
derby county absolutely embarrass us

I don't care any more I'm going to do something else on a weekend.

Soz for not being a superfan.


SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 21:52
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Not caring anymore would imply you are no longer a fan.

Like Dude was saying 'fickle'.

No doubt you will resume fan status when things pick up.

onion_budgie Posted on 15/12/2009 21:55
derby county absolutely embarrass us

We have more away support

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 21:55
derby county absolutely embarrass us

[:D]of course, adi, you are aware your'e the exception to the rule, there are always exceptions when needed

as your hinsight, retrospective and mind changing opinions need a slightly different perspective as a reposte


SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 21:56
derby county absolutely embarrass us

The away support is the only thing giving us hope, i salute the lot of them.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 21:59
derby county absolutely embarrass us

As I've already asked you to do, please tell me the topics upon which I have changed my mind.

Equally, isn't just about every opinion on here retrospective and therefore given in hindsight?

It seems there are a number of exceptions to your 'rule'.

fattyfoggon Posted on 15/12/2009 22:02
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lol he is getting desperate now the meds must be waring off- just ignore the dude it's that nutcase cesuer pretending to be a boro fan again ... you got to laugh he is probably pished sland got diked ;-)

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 22:02
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Didn't you change your mind on Southgate Adi?

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 22:03
derby county absolutely embarrass us

well, none of my opinions have been in hindsight or retrospect

and i'm not going to keep endlessly repeating the same old posts, you know which ones, the boateng is embarrasing/lets sign him back paradox etc, and the aliadiere is a great signing post, there are to many to state


you don't stiumlate my neural network enough to dedicate valuble synaptic activity to, it's easy and cheaper in terms of brain function currency to just insult you

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 22:06
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Thing is nobody gets it bang on all the time Dude and its not a competition mate.
You cant deny that there is some good supporters on here that you dont see eye to eye with..are they always wrong?

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 22:07
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[rle]he changes his mind all the time about players, and then hypocritically uses it as a stick to beat the previous manager with


if he called himself the things he's called other people, i'd let him off the hook

he agrees, then a year later disagrees, and pretends he knew all along, he said he can judge if a player is good after 70 mins(folan), but then he couldnt judge a player after 70 mins in the same sentence, after i questioned why he thought boateng was an embarrasment, he said it was because he saw him in a one of game, so i basically said folan could also have played poorly in a one off game

he's a XXXXXX artist

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 22:09
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He does talk some shiiiit but waffles on long enough that some people buy it.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:12
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Yep, I did Splendid. I've already accepted that in another of the Dude's threads.

Really Dude. So what is your view on McClaren then? Or Southgate? Are they not opinions held in retrospect?

It's not my fault that you simply don't understand the Boateng one, which you clearly don't. I rate him as one of our best signings of recent years, I labelled one of his performances embarrassing, I felt he wasn't good enough to perform in the Premiership for us before he left and then last week I said that I felt he would be a good player at this level.

The Aliadiere one is a touch bizarre. I said he was a decent signing when we got him. I thought and think he is a good player.

You find it easier to insult me Dude because you're not bright enough to actually respond properly. As I've said, I agree with you on that score.

HolgateCorner Posted on 15/12/2009 22:12
derby county absolutely embarrass us

The Dude is right, our fans currently are an embarrassment.

I used to stick up for our support, but I gave up being an apologist last Sunday when a sizeable number of people engaged in the pointless and destructive booing of one of the players.

I then listened to Brownlees phone in on the way home and heard a complete load of cra* about it being Gibbo's fault, Southagte's fault, the crowds fault, Corus's fault, Strachan's fault and all from the same idiotic caller who claimed he'd been to the match but sounded like he'd been in the club all afternoon. Unfortunately he wasn't the only one.

I heard the same rubbish again on Monday night and I'm just sick of it.

I'm more put off going to the Riverside by the so called supporters than the performance of the team.

Disgraceful, our fans are an embarrassment.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:13
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Clearly demonstrating that you didn't understand a word I posted Dude.

Splendid - it seems your view of me changed because I disagreed with you about Southgate. Very telling.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 22:14
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Its always happened Holgatecorner..always.

It wasnt just the Chicken run who could be caustic.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 22:16
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Adi dont speak in riddles, you cliamed time and again that you had changed your mind on southgate.

You also made up your mind on folan after 70 mins of football.

I have no problem with you but please dont try and imply you are some football messiah.

HolgateCorner Posted on 15/12/2009 22:16
derby county absolutely embarrass us

I think its worse now Redshamrock, I really do.

I have never known such negativity surrounding MFC, it just does not make any sense.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 22:17
derby county absolutely embarrass us

He did look a big usless git.... Mind I said that the first time I saw Tuncay play.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:17
derby county absolutely embarrass us

I'll respond to each of your points in a manner that you may be able to understand.

"he changes his mind all the time about players, and then hypocritically uses it as a stick to beat the previous manager with"

Nope. That's simply not true.

"if he called himself the things he's called other people, i'd let him off the hook"

What have I called other people?

"he agrees, then a year later disagrees, and pretends he knew all along, he said he can judge if a player is good after 70 mins(folan), but then he couldnt judge a player after 70 mins in the same sentence, after i questioned why he thought boateng was an embarrasment, he said it was because he saw him in a one of game, so i basically said folan could also have played poorly in a one off game"

Nope. Again not true. I said it was possible to judge a player after 70 minutes. I said that a judgement was not flawed simply because it was a quick judgement.

As I've said I described a single performance that Boateng put in as embarrassing. That does not preclude me from having an overall opinion that he was a great signing. Equally, just because I don't believe Boateng was good enough in the Premiership does not mean that I cannot, at the same time, believe he would do a good job at our current level.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 22:19
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[^]its gets to the point of insanity when the bbc tees let people on to talk to ally and gary gill without first doing an IQ test, some of the XXXXXXe they waffle on about, stupid old basterds who havent been since jack charlton was manager and wont go until things 'pick up' etc, allowing women on the phone, who think when we dont score the players shouldnt get paid, people blaming keith lamb and gibbo, fans ringing up demanding danny coyne be in goal so he can chip in with a few goals for us, boro fans booing there own player before a ball is kicked, fans booing when we pass the ball more than 4 times without having a shot, fans booing when one of our players gives the ball away

first class XXXXXXe

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 22:19
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HC i will spell it out.

CONSUMER RIGHTS.

Most fans want a guarantee of entertainment and points. They fail to realize its a sport and shiiiiit happens.

I blame the televised game and pundits.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:20
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Riddles? What riddles? You're writing rubbish. When have I ever claimed to be a football messiah? Countless times on here I have admitted to being wrong. I often am, just like everyone else.

All I said about Folan was that I thought he could be judged after 70 minutes. Even in that thread, I admitted I hoped to be proven wrong.

In reference to Southgate, I was dead against the appointment. I remained of that view until the beginning of last season. I openly posted that perhaps I had it wrong and that Southgate was going to take us forward. Unfortunately, that proved to be a false dawn and 3 months later we were on the slide.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 22:23
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[V]you can't judge a player in 70 mins


what if that boateng performance you described as being an embarrasment was his first 70 minutes

wouldn't that then totally contradict the fact you can judge a player in 70 mins?

youve already said boateng was brilliant in the other games, it doesnt make sense

i'm sure lionel messi has had a bad 70 mins, im sure lampard has, and gerard has

stop pretending to be some football god, its impossible to judge if a player is any use in the long term over a 70 minute spell, for all you know he might have been carrying an injury, or had a negative mindset

good job you didnt judge kitson over his first 70 mins against forest, cos he was worse than folan

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 22:25
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TBH HC the only dissent was in the pink Sports the Following Saturday..Followed by a lengthy BJ Mc letter.

Now its Bad news travels fast anything from pies to the Journey.

One of my sons thinks this board should be banned as it is detrimental to the Club and Players and even the area..its all negative and he refuses to read it.

Thats his Opinion.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 22:25
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"All I said about Folan was that I thought he could be judged after 70 minutes. "

You know you have been wrong many times but you still have the audacity to judge a player on 70 minutes worth of football in a game where a team under a manager you now dont rate and players you dont rate got heavily beaten.


HolgateCorner Posted on 15/12/2009 22:25
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Splendid stuff - I'll spell it out to you, football is not a normal 'consumer' industry.

It is a mixture of purchased players, local talent, history and tradition, community goodwill and passionate support.

I don't choose a football club like I might choose to go to Asda rather than Sainsburys.

Boro is in my blood. I was born Boro and I will die Boro having suffered a lot along the way. We're in it together, the fans can help a club which is having a hard time. It's even worse at the moment because relatively speaking we are not having that hard a time.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 22:28
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HC read the posts on here when people are kicking off about lack of entertainment.

Remember SMAC and the attacks on his boring football, the fans wanted excitement, then we started losing and then the fans made up their minds on SMAC.

Its inherent in todays fans, they really dont care for the club.

If i was gibson i would burn the place down and say fuuuuck the lot of yers, ungrateful chunts.

HolgateCorner Posted on 15/12/2009 22:29
derby county absolutely embarrass us

red shamrock - I think your son is spot on, I might try his approach myself.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:30
derby county absolutely embarrass us

Jesus wept. Is there a smiley for banging your head against a wall?

What I said was that it was possible to judge a player correctly after a short time. The mere fact that it is a quick judgement does not mean that it is incorrect. Do you understand that bit?

In relation to Boateng, you really are making a pig's ear out of understanding it.

If anything, the Boateng point you make simply proves me right. My view that he put in an embarrassing performance came in his final year. Had I judged it as a one off performance I would have concluded that he was not good enough for the Premiership. Since then, that view has been proven to be correct. You, yourself, on the thread in which I recommended us signing him said that he wasn't first choice at Hull and was past it.

In any event, that misses the point completely. What I actually said was that a quick judgement is not necessarily wrong just because it is quick although it could be. It's an opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. I felt able to judge Folan after 70 minutes. Other players, I might not feel as strongly about.

At least try and understand.

In which way am I pretending to be a football god?

Kitson was nowhere near worse than Folan. He had a decent, if unspectacular, game. Folan was woeful.

bear66 Posted on 15/12/2009 22:31
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I remember game after game under SMac with less than 5 attempts at goal . . . . we managed almost three times that in a poorish performance against Cardiff . . . the football with 11 behind the ball, mostly in the penalty area, was really dire

red_shamrock Posted on 15/12/2009 22:33
derby county absolutely embarrass us

But if he had had four.. ok one stormer would you have held your hands up?

I got it wrong with Tuncay first couple of games I said to our young un ..he is light weight and to slow...I got it wrong didnt I?

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 22:33
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[:D]oh good, so does that mean from now on you'll start all your threads with

'in my opinion'

instead of 'its a well known fact' etc

better still with 'in my opinion which i'll change in 12 months time but make out i was right all along unless somebody catflaps me'

just copy and paste

[:D]it's ok, no thanks are needed

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:34
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Splendid, what are you on about?

When giving any view on here, of course that view can be wrong. I have been wrong many, many times and have admitted it quickly.

Why is it audacious to judge a player after 70 minutes and what does that have to do with this idea that I claim to be a footballing messiah?

Folan was dreadful. I said he would be back at Hull before we knew it and that he would never improve us. That was my opinion. The fact that I came to that conclusion after 70 minutes is an absolute irrelevance.

Presumably, it was wrong of Souness to judge George Weah's cousin after 15 minutes?

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:38
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If you can find me a post in which I have started it with "it's a well known fact" then I'll be amazed.

It's kind of implied in every post on this board that it is the writer's opinion. If you need me to preface everything I post with 'in my opinion' then I'll try and remember, just to make it that bit clearer for you.

As you can't come up with anything approaching proof that I have changed my mind to make out I was right all along I think it's safe to say that not only do you lack intelligence (your statement, not mine) you also lie. Regularly.

You catflap away old son. I'll even look for you if you need me to. There is nothing I have posted that could prove anything you post correct.

There is plenty of evidence of you insulting all and sundry but then I suppose they don't tickle your intellevtual fancy either.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 22:44
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[rle]in my opinion you did post plenty like that

jam69 Posted on 15/12/2009 22:48
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uif you had followed football a bit longer you might be aware of some of the utter shyte top flight crowds derby have had in the past,but if your talking post sky then their crowds are good,but very fickle in the past

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:49
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Prove it then. Catflap is there. Crack on.

Here's a but of friendly advice. Some of your views I agree with. I'm sure other posters do too. If you posted with a bit more respect and just engaged in the subject matter without resorting to insult and without using words you clearly don't understand, you might find that people debate stuff with you properly. You might even enjoy it.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 22:50
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"What I said was that it was possible to judge a player correctly after a short time. The mere fact that it is a quick judgement does not mean that it is incorrect. Do you understand that bit?"

Presumptious or psychic.

No it must be a god given gift. On a sidenote dod you actually attend that game or witness it on tv, maybe radio?

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:53
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Nope, you're wildly missing the point. I wasn't saying that it definitely was correct, only that it wasn't necessarily incorrect just because it was quick. There is a subtle difference. I believe firmly that it is possible to judge a player quickly, that fella at Southampton being the most obvious example. That doesn't mean I firmly believe that my judgements, quick or otherwise, are always correct because they're not. Something I said in the thread itself.

I was there. Just like every single home game.

Davey_C Posted on 15/12/2009 22:57
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Pride Park isn't identical to the Riverside one of the corners is rows of executive boxes and not seats like the Riverside. The Police box is in the East Stand (equivilant) too i think.

I'm almost sure the reason for their high attendances is 270 Adult season tickets to our nearer 400 ones.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 22:58
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[rle]i'm puzzled, it was correct, but it wasn't necessaily correct cos it was quick

what the XXXXXXs that,aside from gibberish

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 22:59
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Read it again Dude, you'll get there in the end. Maybe.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 23:00
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[rle]their half season tickets are 270 dave, so i doubt the full ones are only a tenner more do you?

boro are a lot cheaper than derby

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 23:02
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Adi that is gold.

You really talk some tosh.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 23:03
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In what way is it tosh then Spendid? Please explain instead of simply insulting it.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 23:05
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Its tosh because it was you opinion after 70 minutes.

You made up your mind on the future of a player for the club after 70 minutes.

You have no conviction in your statements because you are now backtracking.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 23:08
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how can you judge a player over 70 mins but then say you might be wrong

isn't that saying, you cannot judge a player over 70 minutes?

yes or no?

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 23:08
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How on earth is it backtracking when I said exactly the same thing on the thread in question?

What am I backtracking from?

I have already said that my view is that a gut reaction, a quick judgement isn't invalid just because it is made quickly. That is my opinion. You clearly take a different view. That's fair enough.

I made a judgement of a player after 70 minutes. I stand by the judgement I made, are you telling me I was definitely wrong?

So I repeat, those are my validly held opinions. They may differ from your own but in which way are they tosh? I think I have justified them reasonably and without the need to insult.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 23:10
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Dude, I'm not sure I can possibly make it any clearer for you. I'll try again.

What I am saying is that just because a judgement of a player is quick, doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

Simple as that really.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 23:11
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Oh, in answer to your question - no.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 23:11
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70 minutes or 3 seasons, you get it wrong in the long term, odds are you get it wrong short term.

Hence utter tosh.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 23:13
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Right, that says absolutely nothing and doesn't give any sort of response.

As I've already said, your view is you can't judge a player within 70 minutes and my view is that you can.

Are you therefore saying that it wasn't possible to judge the player Souness brought in who claimed to be George Weah's cousin on the 15 minutes he played before being subbed?

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 23:14
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[:D]oh i get it, so your judging, but quite happily admitting to being able to use retrospect to change your mind if he came good


how strange of me, not to realise you using retrospect adi [rle]

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 23:15
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Give it up, you have no credibility.

You are frequently having to aplogoze for previous statements, just do yourself a favour and give it up mystic meg.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 23:17
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It's called being prepared to admit when you're wrong Dude. I see that as a sign of strength rather than weakness. The fact is that if Folan had been signed and scored a hatful of goals I'd have been on here admitting that I was wrong. No question.

However, more tellingly, you don't get it, no. Not even close. Just like a lot of the words you use - you just don't understand.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 23:19
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I see, no answer to the question Splendid. Is that because it undoes your argument completely? I suspect so. Much better to retreat to the relative comfort of just insulting me.

Frequently having to apologise for previous statements am I? Like what? Please give me some examples. Catflap site is there for you to have a good rummage around as well. You'll not find much though.

As I say, very telling that you won't engage and simply resort to name calling.

The_Dude Posted on 15/12/2009 23:19
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[:D]oh i get it, its just the spin you use to try and defend the hypocracy

'being prepared to admit when your wrong'

as if you've ever admitted to that

the end

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 23:19
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So adi......


"The fact is that if Folan had been signed and scored a hatful of goals I'd have been on here admitting that I was wrong."

So after 70 mins u label him, then possibly the next game he scores a hatful, and you are that fickle.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 23:21
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And you think saying you have no credibility is insulting you?

You are a sensitive soul.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 23:21
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Did you not notice that in this very thread I admitted to being wrong last season about Southgate Dude? Spin to hide what Dude? What am I hiding?

You believe it is fickle to change your mind when presented with evidence that you were wrong? Not to do so would be stubborn and arrogant, wouldn't it?

Answer the question Splendid.

Davey_C Posted on 15/12/2009 23:29
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From 320 The Dude - still 50 cheaper than the Boro's cheapest offer. they were 270 but back in 2006/07!


Link: Derby Prices This Season

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/12/2009 23:30
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Yes fickle because opinions are formed over a period of time, not over 70 minutes which you have already admitted you could change quite easily the very next game.

Changing your opinion, the one you valid to share with the whole board, the one which you where very insisent would be the correct one, well you dont think you are fickle, but you obviously have no conviction of opinion.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/12/2009 23:33
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Where did I admit that I would change my mind the next game? I held a strong opinion about him after his 70 minutes. It would have taken a lot from him to prove me wrong. Had he managed it though I am not so arrogant or stubborn not to be able to admit that I got it wrong.

It seems that you believe you are either fickle or you have to stubbornly stick with your original view come what may.

Answer the question Splendid - the guy at Southampton.

The_Dude Posted on 16/12/2009 08:45
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[rle]the guy at southampton was totally different, he hadnt even played proffesional football before souness took a punt on a players from some african backwater

folan is an irish international and has played in the english leagues for his whole life and obviously has shown some ability to be able to do that

completely and utterly ridiculous comparison as usual adi

HUMBERRED Posted on 16/12/2009 09:02
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I think Derby's crowds are very good if you look at what they have achieved recently.I would think that they have a similar catchment area to Boro. They have Chesterfield, Mansfield and the two Sheffield clubs to the North and Leicester and the two Nottingham clubs nearby as well. Obviously the Midlands have a big population though.I hope our crowds return if Strachan gets it right.

ayresomemark Posted on 16/12/2009 09:39
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DUDE

"their capacity is less than ours, but let the dopey little mong have his moment of glory"

"thanks corcaigh, but as your well aware, i take pointless personal insults as a compliment, as it merely highlights a complete lack of intellect"

oh really - interlect eh!

As flaps said edit your post!

The term mong is a derogatory term for a person with downs syndrome. So much for YOUR interlect!!!!!

That post offends me because i have a son with DS,so edit it please.

Pal




r00fie Posted on 16/12/2009 09:44
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mark: hes no worse than that moron that calls people "window- lickers" - as im sure you know - a derogatry term used to provoke peole with learning difficulties and poke fun at people with downs syndrome. The only person to complain to is Rob.

ayresomemark Posted on 16/12/2009 09:48
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Roofy....cheers pal

to be fair Robs pretty good with this..... I'll give this dude character the benefit to change it.

Ignorance eh!

The_Dude Posted on 16/12/2009 09:48
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[:I]oh dear, hypocracy prevalent as usual

skiprat Posted on 16/12/2009 10:18
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"From 320 The Dude - still 50 cheaper than the Boro's cheapest offer. they were 270 but back in 2006/07!

Link: Derby Prices This Season"

What you're trying to say there though Davey is that if Boro's season tickets were 50 cheaper, then we'd have 30k in the ground which isn't what would happen at all.

I reckon a 50 drop would make little to no difference to our attendances.

It used to be that a few seasons ago the cup games would be the games where the fans that wanted to get behind the team would be there, the atmosphere would be better even if there was only 12k there and the experience of actually going to a game on a personal note was better, as I'd much rather sit amongst people that want to back the side rather than criticise them even before a ball is kicked.

Now we'd have about 2k people in the ground for home games with that mentality as I'd imagine most of the others don't want to sit amongst such a bunch of miserable XXXXXXs. I'm almost there myself.

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/12/2009 10:40
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I'm afraid it's what the Dude is. I didn't pick up on it but it offends me too. On another thread he told someone he disagreed with that they had learning difficulties. These are deeply unpleasant things to say. I am in complete agreement with Mark.

In terms of a response to the Dude's last post directed at me, it isn't a ridiculous comparison at all. You told me in no uncertain terms that it wasn't possible to judge any player after 70 minutes. You're now saying that you can judge them if they are bad enough. Well, Dude, can you not see the fundamental flaw in that statement given that how bad someone is is a matter of subjective opinion?

You just keep on embarrassing yourself.

maxi_levey Posted on 16/12/2009 10:46
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I dont go any more and if you dont like that....then you can and fvck yeself......[ref]

AlBoro1984 Posted on 16/12/2009 10:59
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Quite ironic The Dude accusing anyone else of having learning disabilities [:D]

Will probably call me a Spacker now [cr]

He claims to have stood on the Holgate so unless that is bullXXXXXX (probably) he can't use age as an excuse.

Peachy Posted on 16/12/2009 11:03
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Dude you are full of shyte and here's why. Season 83-4 we took 3000 to derby for a league cup match in midweek. A week later we played them at home in the league and they brought about 150. So what you may ask what does it prove ? It proves that you can twist and turn stats depending on the year the momentum of the club and many many other factors including regional ones. Generally derby and boro have similar support and I think the stats over the years will back me up on this.

The_Dude Posted on 16/12/2009 12:30
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[rle]what, so derby have a better momentum than us, is that what your saying, and thats why they get 10000 more each week

so if we win a couple of games, we'll suddenly reach 30000


the only time we will get 30000 at the riverside this season will be if we make the play off semis, and the stay away fans will all flood back, probably to boo if we get beat

The_Dude Posted on 16/12/2009 12:36
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[rle]i didnt say i could judge a player at all, i didnt ever see ali dia or whatever his name is play, so how could i, where have i posted i judged him???????[?]???????????


yet again, your using hindsight as the primary spearhead in your subjective viewpoint

the only reason you knew ali dia was rubbish, was a year later when all the XXXXXXe emerged about his lack of ability, there have been numerous decent players throughout history been brought on and took of minutes later

ali dia didnt even train and was pitched in the game purely because they were short on numbers, im sure if souness saw him in training he wouldnt have let him anywhere near the first team

i'll stand by it, your using a ridiculous 1-off comparison to use, some freak show african who never even trained and played for 15 minutes, the fact that you cant name any others in the millions of players worldwide sums you up

you would argue black is white and use michael jackson as a comparitor


Adi_Dem Posted on 16/12/2009 13:35
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Dude, you really are a piece of work.

It's a simple question. You said you couldn't judge any player after 70 minutes. I think you can. The simple question was, was it possible to judge Ali Dia on his 15 minute performance? He was brought on as a sub and then withdrawn within 15 minutes. A judgement on his ability was made. As I say, it's a simple question.

Almost every opinion given by anyone on here is subjective and in retrospect, you are no different.

Perhaps you don't understand those words, I mean you didn't understand the word euphemism but that really isn't my fault.

The_Dude Posted on 16/12/2009 13:39
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[:D]huraay

you've finally owned up

what did you think of kitsons debut against forest, what do you think of him as a player, and what would you have said about him, if you saw him against forest, but were completely unaware of his previous record?

surely you would have to put him in the ali dia, folan bracket without any prior evidence to suggest he was anything but hopeless, cos for me that was the worst 70 mins iv'e seen from a boro player, even eclipsing folans, considering the opposition and nature of the game

you could have written of the entire boro squad after 70 minutes of the west brom game


Adi_Dem Posted on 16/12/2009 13:45
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Owned up to what?

You can write and twist all you want. It's a simple question.

In answer to your question, I thought Kitson had a reasonable debut without being spectacular, which is exactly the type of player he has turned out to be.

If that was the worst 70 minutes of football that you have seen from a Boro player then I don't believe you ever stood in the holgate.

The_Dude Posted on 16/12/2009 13:47
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[:D]thanks, i got all i needed


got there in the end

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/12/2009 13:47
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So you won't answer then? Thought not.

skiprat Posted on 16/12/2009 13:50
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Kitson was very bad in his first appearance and was just as bad against Cardiff.

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/12/2009 13:50
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It's all about opinions skiprat, something the Dude singularly fails to understand.

The_Dude Posted on 16/12/2009 13:52
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[:D]i understand fully, and like i've said, i'm happy now i've got what i wanted, a confession


why you feel the need to keep making references to what i do or don't do however, is very strange

Boro_Shield Posted on 16/12/2009 13:53
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Dude you really are a first class tit, how pretencious do you want to be?

this board has gone right down and its because of people like you and Holgate constantly looking to be controversial so you can become a "board Celeb" its F U C K I N G embarrasing

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/12/2009 13:56
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If it helps you feel better to somehow interpret my post as a confession then no rpoblem at all. Enjoy yourself.

It just makes it all the more clear that you simply don't understand the words you throw around. It was equally evident in the thread in which you said other posters had learning difficulties because they didn't understand simple words when, in actual fact, it was your good self that didn't understand what the word euphemism meant.

Never mind, at least your comfort blanket of ignorance keeps you warm.

scooby Posted on 16/12/2009 14:00
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Get a grip of yourselves. How long have you both spent on this argument? When you look back on your deathbed, won't it have just been a waste of time?

Dude, get back to calling anyone who disagrees with you 'a mong' and Adi, get back to giving your opinion. No-one wins on the Internet....

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/12/2009 14:02
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Most things are a waste of time scooby. Not one of us spends as much time on the important things as we should. As it happens, I add these posts whilst I'm doing other work. It's an enjoyable distraction that doesn't require much effort.

boro74 Posted on 16/12/2009 21:53
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It wouldn't surprise me if Adi, Dude and Splendid were all the same person just talking to themselves.

The_Dude Posted on 16/12/2009 21:55
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[:D]it would me, i'd be amazed

Bren_MFC Posted on 16/12/2009 21:56
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maybe the question should be, who are the most discerning fans......

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/12/2009 22:20
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Now as far as insults go boro74, that's a cracker.

The_Dude Posted on 16/12/2009 22:23
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[rle]damn

for a minute there i thought i might be able to use your world class scouting ability on champ man adi, but alas

your somebody else

all the players have attribute masking, but if you watch them for 15 minutes for me, you'll be able to tell me if there any use

Smogariffic_MFC Posted on 16/12/2009 22:43
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I'll be one of the first to admit that i dont look forward going to Boro games like i used too.

I used to be excited for the weekend coming, it would be the talk of the week amongst me and my friends, but now theres nothing there anymore. I havent lost my support for Boro, i'll always support them. But the match day experience simply ISNT there anymore.

Im deffinately the younger generation of fans and im nto going to sit here talking XXXXXXe about the Ayresome days as i never went to a game at Ayresome.Only been going for about 8 or 9 years now, 5 of them as a season ticket holder however i didnt renew this season, nothing to do with us being relegated etc, i just simply cant afford to pay over 400 for my season ticket, i also to a certain degree think its a joke charging that much for a 18year olds season ticket. And yes this was the 18-21 i tried to get!

I go to what matches i can these days, and even so the matchday ticket prices are a joke. Does that make me an embarassing fan because i have more important things to spend my money on??

I think people need to stop whinging about our fans, if your that arsed about making the numbers up then organise a big trip to the match with your mates/family instead of coming on here and labeling the fans embarassing which i can put the house im sat in now on that there are some diehard boro fans on here and fans who would love to be able to afford to go.