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Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 10:50
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

He has identified that we needed a target man as a foil for Lita. Job done. He brings in Kitson on a temporary basis. He has also brough in Bent.

He has realised that Emnes is never going to make it in English football. Job done. He'll probably never play for us again.

He has taken the captaincy from Wheater because he was obviously struggling like hell. Job done. He had given it to somebody who can open his mouth and lead, and hopefully inspire.

He has realised that Williams will never be a midfield player aslong as their is a hole in his arse and has rightfully moved him to right back.

He has brought in a young athletic stopper in the Boateng mould in Osbourne, who looks a good prospect.

His only failing so far for me is not playing an out and out right winger and I think he should see what he can get out of Yeates because Arca is far too ponderous. However, he does have a crafty left foot which he obviously sees as a way of "unlocking" the opposition.

Saturday at Peterboro is a tough test because at the start of the season it would have been the sort of place we would have breezed into and collected the three points with ease. Now the whole picture has changed.


MarlonD Posted on 23/11/2009 10:51
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I told you we'd draw 1-1 [^]

MightyDuck Posted on 23/11/2009 10:51
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

i dont think he realised the size of the task he's taken on. defo needs time though.

Osbourne looks a good prospect? i thought he went missing a few too many times on saturday

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 10:52
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I told YOU we would draw 1-1. if ever you want to win money marlon come and see me before every game.

FunkyPotatoe Posted on 23/11/2009 10:53
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Osbourne ! Are you sure. Josh Walker is a better central midfield player than him, so is Shawky.

I agree he has got the defence right, just need Riggot fit to replace Wheater.

Need to put Gary O'Neil on the right. What does he offer in the middle of the park ?

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 10:53
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Duck: he only went missing when they flooded the midfield second half and played in our half. You could say he was a bit overrun! he is comfortable in posession and can actually pass.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 23/11/2009 10:54
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Needed a Target man so he brings in Bent, then realises he's gash and brings in an unfit Kitson.

Bent is shocking, Kitson maybe useful but by the time he's sharp he'll be back sat on the bench for Stoke.

Playing Arca on the right adds nothing to the team from an attacking perspective, to pedestrian. Digard showed some fight and drive when he came on, O'neill should be pushed out right and Digard in the centre.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 10:56
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

he brought in Bent because he was offered to us. We wanted Phillips but were desperate. Once he realises how XXXXXXe he is he then brings in Kitson.

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 10:56
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

we desperatly need a central midfielder who is attack minded. you have no chance of winning home games if you finish the with 3 defensive midfielders in the team and your best striker taken off

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 10:57
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

thats why O Neil has to play centre. he is all we have to drive forward through the middle. I'm sure GS is looking for someone as we speak

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 23/11/2009 10:59
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

If he went in for Phillips (a proven goalscorer) and took Bent (a non scorer) because he was offered it makes Strachan a mug. If the right player isn't available they shouldn't sign players for the sake of it, especially when they are XXXXXX.

Piggy Posted on 23/11/2009 10:59
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I suspect he probably knows what he is doing too, although I base that more on the evidence of my ears after listening to his post match interview than on that of my eyes after sitting through a performance that wouldnt necessarily have convinced me.

Still, I'm looking forward to next weeks 6 pointer and seeing how the reality of terracing compares with peoples youthful memories.

onion_budgie Posted on 23/11/2009 10:59
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Digard is a bit overrated. He puts himself about but there is rarely an end product. We need a genuine attacking midfielder.

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:00
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

need someone like hignett.

i notice that we have no one who can take a decent free kick or anyone who has the ability to shoot from outside the box. only way we seem to score is a johnson run and a tap in about 6 yards out.

teams fear us because of our recent history in europe and premier league. then at half time their manager says there is nothing to fear and they get at us.

It was like an away game with us sitting back and forest pushing forward passing the ball and we were hoping to catch them on the break..we are too predictable

BURWELL_BORO Posted on 23/11/2009 11:01
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Win a XXXXXXing football match- job not done !!!!!!

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 11:01
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

"If he went in for Phillips (a proven goalscorer) and took Bent (a non scorer) because he was offered it makes Strachan a mug"

no it doesnt. It makes him privvy to the situation and that situation was Bent or Emnes. Remember Bent is on loan - there is no fee

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 23/11/2009 11:06
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I'd sooner play Emnes, saving the club from palying Bents wages aswell.

He went for Phillips ended up with Bent, enough said really.

plazmuh Posted on 23/11/2009 11:07
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Is any one at the club ever going to realise we need a decent Keeper because we don,t have one and havent in ages

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 11:07
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

"I'd sooner play Emnes"

seriously? As opposed to a proven premier league player?

Piggy Posted on 23/11/2009 11:08
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Brad Jones was excellent on Saturday, Plazhuh, and has been solid all season.

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:09
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

at this level a new keeper is the last of our worries

Big_Shot Posted on 23/11/2009 11:11
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Marcus Bent goals record in recent years is not much better than Aliadieres.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 11:12
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

yes I know but his experience of leading the line as opposed to a 3ft dreadlock is a much better option

Big_Shot Posted on 23/11/2009 11:14
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I guess so. But I agree with the notion of bringing in players you want rather than just accepting who is offered to you. Marcus Bent isn't a very good striker with a poor goal scoring record.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 23/11/2009 11:15
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Bent is not a proven premiership striker, every club bomb him out cos he's garbage.

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:18
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

He has contrived to make a team that was having a poor patch of form play even worse. The man is a bona fide genius.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 11:19
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

"poor patch of form"

[:D]

we were cack mate. Leicester, Watford, West brom at home....

plazmuh Posted on 23/11/2009 11:19
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

SAS a good keeper would have kept us up
FACT FACT FACT

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:19
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

its a mess, 6 players who got on the pitch on saturday are either onloan or out of contract in the summer. so much work needs doing to rebuild the club.

captain5 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:22
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Jones is the least of our problems in this division; he's probably one of the better 'keepers.

We only let in 4 more goals last year than the year before yet scored 15 less.

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:22
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Bandy, even during that run of poor form we picked up 6 points. We have 1 point from three games and have only scored once. We have hardly performed thrillingly.

captain5 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:24
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

This would have happened under Southgate to be honest.

He was being propped up by our away form and that was never going to continue all year; teams were starting to suss us out.

plazmuh Posted on 23/11/2009 11:26
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

At least we had AWAY form back then
captain

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 11:28
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

captain talks sense.

plazmuh Posted on 23/11/2009 11:30
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Yea Bandy cos we were crap away under gate
were we not

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:31
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Unfortunately, the facts speak for themselves. We have deteriorated in terms of reults, points won and goals scored since Southgate was sacked. Until the facts say otherwise, and I truly hope it's very soon, I shall not be convinced that replacing GS with WGS at that point in time was a good idea.

captain5 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:36
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Southgate had to go. We'd dropped a load of points at home and that's your bread and butter.

No team gets promoted with the continued home form that Southgate had and he'd lost a great proportion of the fans.

Piggy Posted on 23/11/2009 11:42
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I was one of the few who hadnt yet reached the conclusion that it was time for Southgate to go. Maybe I'm just ultra loyal to people or maybe I'm a bit slow. I suspect a bit of both.

But, he's gone. Theres no point rehashing old arguments about whether he should have bought different players last January, whether he was the man behind the Alves buy or whether waistcoats are suitable matchday apparel because it really doesnt matter.

Those who are whinging about Strachan would enjoy it more if they gave him time and support. All the cynicism gets a bit wearing after a while.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 11:43
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I remember the bristol city away game, and the debacle at Coventry. Goals just tossed away at will after bad substitutions.

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:44
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

not to worry, under strachan we are getting into the habit of coming out after half time and playing poor and conceding.

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 11:48
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Piggy, that's a rational position to take, and in terms of Southgate, close to my own. Unfortunately, for some reason, I'm still XXXXXXed off about it.
Captain, the home form was a problem...now the home form, and the away form is a problem. Yes, Gibson had little choice, given that a portion of the fans had turned on Southgate. Sadly, I can think of too many occasions where fan power has ruined a club.

But, I'm a Boro fan, and that won't change, regardless of temporary circumstances.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 23/11/2009 11:56
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Hopefully Strachan does what's right and drops Wheater for a few games.

I'll give Strachan time but Osbourne and Bent don't fill me confidence and have shown little to prove they are even as good as what we already have.

captain5 Posted on 23/11/2009 12:00
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I think he's making do with what he's got to be honest.

Johnson has shown enough early season form for him to get his move so we'll probably see very little from him, especially if defenders are kicking him early on in a game.

We definitely dipped after Huth left and Wheater especially has suffered.

We'll know more about Strachan after the transfer window I think.

The club didn't do what they said they were going to do over the summer and it's biting us on our behinds, like a lot of times under Southgate.

captain5 Posted on 23/11/2009 12:02
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I think Osbourne has been okay actually.

Definitely need a settled midfield central two so we can start to boss games again.


Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 23/11/2009 12:07
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Osbourne hasn't done anything different from what out current midfield do.

Jonjo Shelvey could be on the way out of Charlton because of club debt, he's impressed quite a few. WOuld he be worth a punt?

Buddy Posted on 23/11/2009 12:40
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Last season you could theoretically have got promoted with only 12 home points.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/11/2009 12:48
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I agree completely with you on this Bandy. He came in, had a look at the squad, and identified, immediately, what needed to be done. He then had the task of resolving those problems within the constraints of a loan system and has done a reasonable job. Osbourne is fine and nowhere near as bad as some seem to think. He will do a good job. Kitson is an astute signing up front and as for Emnes being dropped and Wheater losing the captaincy, they were no brainers for me.

I'll just repeat what I said when he was appointed. He needs to do whatever he can, by hook or by crook, to get us through to January still in with a shout. If he can do that and then do the right things in January he will give us a chance.

Make no mistake, we were in an absolute mess when Southgate left and that is currently being unravelled.

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2009 13:01
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I think he knows what he's doing . . as long as there is 10-20m available in Jan / summer and promotion isn't a priority this season and we're going to fight a relegation battle this season.

I'd have preferred Gareth taking us up this season with the existing squad . . . . .

Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 23/11/2009 13:10
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Bandy, when we don't get thre points on Saturday will you accept the fact he's got to go?

I guess not.

Oh, oh; I've just realised you're trying for a cheap ton.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 13:11
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

whats the lottery numbers aswell bobby?

Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 23/11/2009 13:16
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

They'd be wasted on you.

Evil Posted on 23/11/2009 13:18
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

So people actually think after 4 games Strachan should go?

Jesus.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/11/2009 13:19
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Bloody stupid!

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 13:21
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I don't think he should go. That would be just as stupid as sacking Southgate. What I would like though is for him to get performances and results from that set of players that better, or at least match those that Southgate managed to get.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 13:21
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Bobby, you havent a clue mate

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 23/11/2009 13:22
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Strachan is going to take 12 months to simply stabilise things.

So if folk are expecting a quick fix, promotion, and a CL position in 2011/12 they may be a tad dissapointed.

To get rid after 4 games.....with Southgates squad.........hmmmmmm.[DFS]

mattyk50 Posted on 23/11/2009 13:23
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

its not very often someone makes so many points in a single post that i disagree with!

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 13:32
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I do think if we are mid table or below at the end of the season, he should resign. we cant afford to give another manager another 2-3 seasons to see if he can get it right.

captain5 Posted on 23/11/2009 13:40
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

You usually do a pretty good job for the rest of us, Matty........

otto62 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:17
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I don't care how good or bad the players are - how come WGS isn't getting better results than GS. Answers anyone?

There are a couple of possiblilities I can think of:
1) WGS has p!ssed off the players that we have & they don't want to play for him.
2) WGS needs more time to work out how best to use these players.
3) WGS is worse than Southgate.

Maybe someone has a better explanation?
But if its one of the above we would have ben better off keeping Southgate & getting promoted. (And yes, at 1pt from the top of the ladder I didn't think he should go.)


Adi_Dem Posted on 23/11/2009 14:19
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

It's the same bunch of players. There you go, a simple, straightforward answer.

mattyk50 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:19
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

you dont mean that, captain! [:o)]

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:23
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

"It's the same bunch of players."

Three new players, positional changes and the elimination of any pace from the team. No it's not the "same bunch of players"

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/11/2009 14:25
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Three new temporary loan signings that have come in because of the restrictions of the transfer system does not fundamentally change the make up of the squad. To all intents and purposes it is the same bunch of players.

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:27
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I'd also like to know, how come , if Aliadamare and Emnes were shyte, how come the team scored freely and collected 16 points and scored 14 goals whilst they were regularly in the starting line up?

I'd like to know why Johnson has gone from prolific scorer to desultory wanderer.

Our season turned sour with the WBA game. We were flying up until then.

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:28
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

how many goals has aliadiere scored in his career?

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:29
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

30% of the team is not "the same bunch of players"

I thought Bennett had a few good games, and, although he tired at Preston and should have been subbed late on, didn't deserve to be dropped. That's 4 different players. And when we've been chasing the game, Yeates has lookd OK as a sub . . . that's another difference to the rubbish at the end of the Notts F game

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:34
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Sa, with him and Emnes running around very quickly, we seemed to make a lot of chances. I'm not sure how that perticular alchemy worked mind you. Perhaps it gave Johnson more space to work.

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:38
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

They actually managed to retain the ball long enough for the midfield to press up, and then we retain possession as they hurriedly clear the ball (like what Notts F did to us for 50 mins on Saturday).

Johnson actually gets into the game that way as well. Shame Strachan didn't watvh the games where we were successful . . . or he's seen the videos and missed the point

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 23/11/2009 14:43
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

'I'd also like to know, how come , if Aliadamare and Emnes were shyte, how come the team scored freely and collected 16 points and scored 14 goals'

In our best run of the season Aliadiere wasn't in the side. Ten points from the first four games. Arca played only the last of those games. Tuncay, despite being a sub played an important role, as did the solid Huth.

We've only picked up a further 15 points since. Not many points from a long run of games.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/11/2009 14:44
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Or, alternatively, you have a completely tainted historical view of our performances, which have been dire for most of the season.

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:44
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

we could do with a player like tuncay at the moment. someone who can play deep and central, even play in midfield and has a bit of individual creativity about them

Critical_Bill Posted on 23/11/2009 14:46
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

bandy, you've used this thread title for all of our managers at some point.

otto62 Posted on 23/11/2009 14:47
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Adi, twice you've stated that 'its the same buch of players' as the reason. But if that's true, why is WGS getting WORSE results than Southgate?

I've given three options, but am open to hear something different.

Big_Shot Posted on 23/11/2009 14:49
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

We haven't been dire at all away from home so far this season. I've been to 2 aways and in both we were by far the better side creating plenty of chances, even opposition fans said the same afterwards. Its only the home form thats been a problem so far.

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 15:11
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I stand corrected on Ally. Wasn't Emnes a fixture for those first 4 games?

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/11/2009 15:12
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Worse than what? Exactly the same results (though with less conceded) than when we played WBA, Coventry and Leicester.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 15:17
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Bill, you are wrong. This is the first time we have had strachan for starters

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 15:20
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

People are forgetting the west brom debacle in an instant. It was a DEVASTATING result. There was no way back from that and thats why Gibson acted then.

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 15:22
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

bandy, you should have said that back in last january

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2009 15:23
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

No way back! Two dodgy goals - in total they have 5 chances and score each one; we have more chances and squander them. Omly an idiot would change things after we have outplayed the majority of teams this season and were more than odds-on to go up

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 16:02
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

"more than odds-on to go up"

If you were a bookie you'd be bankrupt within a fortnight

The_Dude Posted on 23/11/2009 16:06
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I hope strachan does it, but i don't see any improvement whatsoever at the moment, so we will see

This reference to he needs this and needs that is a bit daft, he was hired to get the current squad promoted, not rebuild the squad from scratch spending millions

most zoo chimpanzees could manage a football team and be successful by spending a lot of money, we need strachan to 'manage' the squad, not decimate it and bring his mates in

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 16:07
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players either have it or they dont. Most of ours dont. Thats why were XXXXXXed

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2009 16:24
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

"If you were a bookie you'd be bankrupt within a fortnight"

Most people (on this board) had us for promotion . . . then we actually started off better than most (on this board) thought . . odds-on was about right, winning most games away, outplaying most teams and a point off the top

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2009 16:25
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wonder if strachan has p1shed off most of the players with his initial tought guy double training attitude. if most players cant get away fast enough it probably makes things worse

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2009 16:25
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

"Most people"

not me boss. I had us to just miss out on the play offs cos we wont score enough goals and I'll definitely be sticking with that bet

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2009 16:27
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Still 'most people' did - I wasn't one of the 'most people' either . . . I anticipated hard, experienced players dominating games . . but the Champiobship is all about younger players and pace with hardly any real strikers in any of the teams so we fared quite well

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 16:30
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I'm a student of form. As Strachan's form is relegation form, I shall be backing us to get relegated.

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2009 16:38
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You'll only get good odds for a few weks so hurry up

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 16:47
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

66/1 at the moment, with Corals. I'll treat it as an insurance policy against the devastation.

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2009 16:56
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

[smi]

SidSnot Posted on 23/11/2009 16:58
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

MY only wish is that he'd changed the way we played just for home games. The team Southgate had was actually half decent on the break, which is why our away form was quite decent.

I was a big Southgate supporter and didn't want him sacked, but I realize now that we have a terrible squad. Promotion this year is very, very unlikely. We're then left with how much Gibson is prepared to bankroll the club again in case we miss out another year and are then in post parachute payment land.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 23/11/2009 17:01
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66/1 at the moment

Very generous indeed. Still kicking myself for not taking 13/2 last Christmas.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 23/11/2009 17:04
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Our squad isn't that bad, it's good enough to get promoted if we had the right man at the helm. It will take Stracham a few months to know the squad properly, by which time he should have sent Bent and Folan packing.

24_Briggsy Posted on 23/11/2009 22:06
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Top post Bandy, your spot on. We've been crying out for an experienced manager for years and some people are already written him off. What took Gibbo so long apointing a manager? It would seem we have plenty of qualified managers sitting in the stands at the Riverside....

Strachan has a big job to do here and should be given plenty of time to do it. Gladly he is under a regime where he will get that. I hope those who have written him off already ask themselves what realistically did you expect to change after 3 games? And is 3 games really a good basis to pass judgement on wether Strachan will be a success here.

borolad259 Posted on 23/11/2009 23:06
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Briggsy, maintaining the status quo would have been acceptable, but to actually bring about a deterioration in form so rapidly is not acceptable at all.

24_Briggsy Posted on 24/11/2009 07:27
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Was the status quo good enough, ok we were a point from top but we have some terrible results along the way. I dont see any logic judging Strachan on 3 games when he needs time to get to know the players. Yes Gibbo should have changed managers in the summer, but Strachan can only do what he can do. His hands are pretty much tied. He's not a miracle worker. Give him time.

borolad259 Posted on 24/11/2009 08:03
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

The point I'm making, and it's a simple one, is that he has brought about a downturn in form. How far down the table do we need to fall before we say, ah yes, he's had enough time.
Southgate was getting better return from the thin squad, even during the period that saw us lose to WBA and Leicester.
There seems to be an awful lot of blind faith in the new manager. I just hope that it is justified.

parrot Posted on 24/11/2009 08:18
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

well siad bandy[^]

atomicloonybin Posted on 24/11/2009 09:14
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Nobody bar the terminally deluded have 'blind faith' in the manager. The club, particularly the playing personnel was a disaster waiting to happen in my opinion - whether that was under Southgate or whoever, it was clear as Bandy said that we weren't going to score enough goals, we have a midfield that can only sag, and the defence and keeper are prone to mistakes. That all adds up to a team that was going to struggle this year. Strachan hasn't even had a real chance to identify the problem areas though I'm sure he has a bloody good idea what they are by now, and he'll be trying to address them in January. And that's all stuff that WE'VE known about for years - central and right side midfield, strikers, but apparently Garth thought we were OK with.

Look, the real killer decision this season no matter who the manager was, was flogging Huth. The captain, and organiser of the defence, we always had a chance as long as we could keep it tight at the back. After that happened there is no way we'll manage automatic promotion. But if WGS starts doing the job he now knows he has, we might still scrape the play offs. But I suspect we'll need another season of consolidation.

MarlonD Posted on 24/11/2009 09:18
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People keep mentioning that we were 1 point from top when Southgate was sacked, but we had only won once in five games prior to the Derby game.

We were on the downward slope already.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/11/2009 09:21
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2 wins in 3 after the Derby victory.

scuzzmonster Posted on 24/11/2009 09:23
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'Look, the real killer decision this season no matter who the manager was, was flogging Huth.'

Absolutely right. Compare also the team morale at Bristol City with that of the team after the game at Scunthorpe. It was almost like watching a set of players.

borolad259 Posted on 24/11/2009 09:31
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Marlon, look at at that wayif you want. I prefer to see that Southgate's last 3 games brought 6 points and a goal difference of +3.

That is not terrible form.

Strachan has achieved, with the same group of players, plus his "improvements" 1 point and a GD of -2.

The 6 points Gareth's team picked up were, you will note, with a team that didn't feature Huth.

bear66 Posted on 24/11/2009 09:35
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Having seen ncl struggle against Preston last night, I'm surprised how well the 'Southgate team' played Preston off the park. We certainly weren't on a downward trend. The mistake by Wheater at the end to take away 2pts was the worst I've seen in any Championship game I've seen this season (live or on TV)

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 24/11/2009 10:02
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I don't think the team is in such a mess as people make out.

We need 3 players minimum in January, a centre back, a creative central midfielder and a goal scorer, we need the centre back to be fairly experienced and proven at this level or similar and a leader. If we could get them suddenly we have another attacking threat from midfield aside from Johnson, when we go forward chances are the striker scores, when teams attack us we'll be more organised so not lose as many sloppy late goals. Fact is we're not losing a great deal of goals we're just not capitalising when we're in charge.

It's also not unrealistic that GS can get these players in within the budget constraints I imagine he has.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/11/2009 10:10
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so we need another centreback. whats up with st ledger and wheater? we already have 4 centre backs at the club

to much work needs doing to the team this season. even if we managed to get promoted we are coming straight back down with less than 30 points. perhaps we need 1-2 more seasons to try to build a team

Bandy Posted on 24/11/2009 10:15
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"Having seen ncl struggle against Preston last night"

they won the game.

Bandy Posted on 24/11/2009 10:19
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Helmut knows the craic. Spot on. A creative midfielder is essential. Oh for Higgy all over again and his ten goals a season from anywhere on the pitch

borolad259 Posted on 24/11/2009 10:27
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Let's hope so, but January seems a long way off in terms of the games we have to play. Strachan needs to get this lot back to 2 pts per game straight away. Gate managed it, there's no excuse.

Critical_Bill Posted on 24/11/2009 10:37
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You were beating the 'Stick by Southgate drum' this time last year.

Bandy Posted on 24/11/2009 10:43
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yeah I know. Well observed. He's had his time and it was evident to me after we lost one nil to city that we were down but I thought what the hell, he may aswell be given the chance to take us back up but it was never going to happen.

borolad259 Posted on 24/11/2009 10:44
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Vinny, I have been consistent on that score.
I was as gutted as anyone else about relegation, but I could still see that GS was trying to manage under very difficult circumstances. I didn't expect him to become Arsene Wenger in 3 years.

borolad259 Posted on 24/11/2009 10:45
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I see that was for Bandy CB.

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 24/11/2009 11:37
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"so we need another centreback. whats up with st ledger and wheater? we already have 4 centre backs at the club"

Obviously St Ledger is proven at this level he needs a commanding partner, Wheater's been sloppy this season to say the least and gets outmuscled alot, St Ledger alongside a physical centre back would be good, perhaps Pogi's the answer and a left back is what we need? Either way it needs addressing.

Algarve Posted on 24/11/2009 11:47
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Sadly you are very wrong Bandy this is a results business, I have heard from very good scources that
1) Gibson did not want to sack Southgate, he was urged by KL and a number of other people
2) Before he did he asked at least 4 people in football he trusted " Looking at the squad we have, Is it possible GS will get us promoted, if not who would be the manager who could
3) Strachan was not reccomended by any of the 4 and was not on the original list,
4) Strachan was Lambs choice and got the job cos WGS gave SG assurances that with minor changes he could get us promoted.

Now non facts
If we dont get promoted this season and we lose the parachute payment, it is likely the club will have major financial problems that quite frankly do not bear thinking about, its that serious. So you give Strachan time, me i will worry following his first 3 results against mediocre opposition to say the least !!!!



skiprat Posted on 24/11/2009 11:49
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The parachute payment is for the first two seasons following relegation so we'd still get it next season.

It's 11.2 million and although that's great, it's hardly an Earth shattering amount.

Bandy Posted on 24/11/2009 11:50
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"Strachan was Lambs choice"

[^]keep em coming.

What the fuk does he have to do with appointing managers? The bloke is a XXXXXX nuisance

Bandy Posted on 24/11/2009 11:54
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"Gibson did not want to sack Southgate, he was urged by KL and a number of other people "

absolute turd. Gibson sanctioned it and asked lamb to "bring him up will ya"

mattyk50 Posted on 24/11/2009 11:56
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of course SG sanctioned it, its his football club.

KL's opinions carry far more weight than they should do though

Bandy Posted on 24/11/2009 11:57
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I know that matty. Algarve is suggesting that KL's opinions are actually valid.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/11/2009 11:57
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doesnt gibbo spend a lot of his time in jersey and lamb is mostly running the club. he was the one who sacked southgate and went and interviewed strachan

mattyk50 Posted on 24/11/2009 11:59
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the only person that seems to think they are valid is Gibson, unfortunately.

why he would ever consult an accountant on whether to sack a manager or not is beyond me.

Algarve Posted on 24/11/2009 12:02
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11.2 million you must be a rich man skiprat to sneeze at that, and i understand its halved at the second payment.
Kieth Lamb has been for many years and is currently the chief executive of MFC, i am not saying he solely appointed WGS, what i am saying is it was him who put the name forward.

Now do the maths and find out what you get when you lose the parachute payment, get peanuts in the championship from TV rights, and you have attendances below the 20k mark

Go on tell me the golf course and hotel will finance it FFS

Algarve Posted on 24/11/2009 12:41
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Matty look up son, the man is chief Executive of our football club. So if you beleive Lamb in his capacity as CEO would never be consulted in the sacking of Southgate,or have any imput into whom should be his successor, can i respectfully suggest that you take yourself off the football threads and go discuss with Randy Grandad what he is having for his tea ?

Big_Shot Posted on 24/11/2009 12:57
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I find it odd that people would think that the Chief Executuve wouldn't have a big say in decisions made at any football club. Anyway the majoirty on here must be happy with Lambs input in the appointment of Strachan if it was down to him.

mattyk50 Posted on 24/11/2009 13:00
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"can i respectfully suggest that you take yourself off the football threads and go discuss with Randy Grandad what he is having for his tea ?"

why? its more of a corporate strategy discussion than a football thread anyway

sasboro1 Posted on 24/11/2009 13:04
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who do you think is the person at the club who negotiates players contracts and transfer fees?

borolad259 Posted on 24/11/2009 13:05
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Big SHot....don't confuse the poor mites.

mattyk50 Posted on 24/11/2009 13:08
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only once the players have been identified by someone else though.

quite right that Lamb takes care of the financial side of the deals

sasboro1 Posted on 24/11/2009 13:10
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keith lamb does help identify and watch players too

mattyk50 Posted on 24/11/2009 13:11
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i know, im just saying he shouldnt

gravyboat Posted on 24/11/2009 13:27
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Despite an absolutely terrible 3 years under Southgate, I can actually understand why people are still sticking up for him and suggesting he shouldn't have been sacked. The circumstances he was put under were restrictive, and the club have to shoulder some of the blame for it.

However. The bottom line is, he made terrible decision after terrible decision. Hardly any of his signings have made an impact, and some have been complete disasters. Add to that the fact it became apparent he had absolutely no idea how to get the team playing on the front foot at home, and what choice were the club left with?

The argument that we were '1 point off top' is proposterous. Where were we when he took over? In the division above where we'd been for 11 years, thats where.

I liked Southgate a lot, desperately wanted him to do well, and supported him to the end, but ultimately, even with the restraints, his record was woeful.

The club may have handed him a poison chalice, but he gleefully drank from it, and in the end made us all feel sick.

As for Strachan, well who knows? But that's the point, isn't it? Nobody knows. How have we got to the point where we judge a manager after 3 games, and think nothing of it? THREE GAMES FFS.

I'm not actually surprised there has been a bit of a downturn, and I won't be that surprised if we don't go up. But if the long term effect of that is weeding out the players who don't perform, or don't give 100%, and gradually replacing them with others who do, then personally, I'm prepared to wait.

At the end of the day, Strachan has been in football for many years now, has managed big clubs, and in the Champions League. I think that affords him a bit more than 3 games.

Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 24/11/2009 13:53
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Bandy

""Strachan was Lambs choice"

keep em coming.

What the fuk does he have to do with appointing managers? The bloke is a XXXXXX nuisance"

That's the only factual thing you've posted.

skiprat Posted on 24/11/2009 14:00
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"11.2 million you must be a rich man skiprat to sneeze at that, and i understand its halved at the second payment."

You understand wrong.

It's 11.2 million for the two years following relegation. If you are promoted in the first season then the 2nd years payments are split between the Championship sides.

Now 11.2 million isn't something to be sniffed at, but it's not the difference betwene OUR club folding and staying afloat as you've alluded to earlier.

It's equivalent to just 4 or 5 of our most recent players yearly wage.

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 24/11/2009 14:02
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Gravyboat bang on. Southgate would never have gotten us promoted, he had to go, he went a year to late but he had to go. I was/am pleased with Strachan's appointment but like with any manager have no idea how it will turn out. I will give him time to prove himself, alot longer than 3 games, just like I gave Southgate longer to XXXXXX our club up.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/11/2009 14:03
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I think people forget we got all that sky tv money after we got relegated(35m) plus about 30m from sales. so next summer we are going to have to cut costs even mnore because we have less sellable assets and 24m down on the tv revenue from the summer jsut gone. you do not get the tv money at the start of the season

Bandy Posted on 24/11/2009 16:37
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Maybe Lamb is having too much input and that is why we find ourselves where we are. he should be nowhere near team or manager affairs. All his should do is pass the pen for someone to sign and fuk off an play with his abacus

24_Briggsy Posted on 24/11/2009 17:16
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gravyboat - spot on mate, seriously I cant take anyone serious who judges a manager after 3 games. But thats boro fans all over aint it?

sasboro1 Posted on 24/11/2009 17:18
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gibson wants promotion this year and that is why he changed managers. However we are drifting down the table and there is no honeymoon period for strachan. we have to get promoted otherwise our financed have to be tightened again and we have less chance of going up the following season

borolad259 Posted on 24/11/2009 17:20
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Briggsy, some of us are not judging the new manager as much as judging the decision to change managers mid season when the team is 1 pt from top and accumulating points at a healthy rate.
I hope you can understand this position, whether you agree with it or not.

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 24/11/2009 17:25
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I see where you're coming from but I had no faith in Southgate to get us promoted, there were too many obvious frailties in the team, he had all summer to address them, he knew what he had and who probably wouldn't be here when the window shut, he had 3 months to assemble the players and did next to nothing. I didn't have any confidence in him to fix them in one month. Strachan on the other hand might be able to.

joebonano Posted on 24/11/2009 17:37
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Sas I cant believe that you still believe the pap that comes out of Gibson,s mouth.
Remember the infamous piece of paper at Strachans first press conference.The team had only 3 positions covered certre half and left wing with names of players at other clubs[including Osbourne] filling some of
the gaps.That coupled with Strachan's judge me after 3 years tells you this is not a bit of fine tuning but a total rebuild.




borolad259 Posted on 24/11/2009 17:40
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The stated objective was automatic promotion this season. That much was clear.
Gibson/Strachan/Lamb did not at any stage mention that getting worse before we get better was part of the plan.

joebonano Posted on 24/11/2009 17:48
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Do you still believe what Gibson comes out with.Did he not say back in May" It is our intention to have the strongest squad in the Championship".We then sell 25 million worth of players and bring in 2 frees and a guy from league one and we had no recognised centre forward on the books.
I'll start believing him when his actions once again match his words

redwurzel Posted on 24/11/2009 18:18
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Strachan is moving in the right direction.

Since Huth went I have been stating Wheater was not a Captain, just as I said Downing was not last season. Just because they are local doesn't make them good material for a club captain of a senior team. 22 is too young. I know Mowbray was that age, but he will exceptional as a leader and it was in a division below in a different age.

Kitson and Bent will prove moves forward in this division over the next few weeks over Emnes as a striker. Although I would play Aliadiere ahead of Bent. Osbourne will improve.

Williams is clearly a better right back than central midfield.

I would play Poggy ahead of Grounds/Taylor/Bennent as GS2 did at Saturday. I am not keen on two youngs uns down the left flank.

I think the age balance is more correct now, the team was too young, decent teams have a nice balance of ages.

I don't see many home games at present, but went to Palace and thought we were the better side without playing well. Not alot different from when we played at Swansea and won 3-0.

I think there is very little difference between alot of the Championship.

I'd like to see Riggott play with St Leger, sorry Wheater but he has been a bit of a liability this season.

Agreeing to buy St Leger is a good move he will play in the Premiership for some one in the next few years.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/11/2009 18:37
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""Do you still believe what Gibson comes out with.Did he not say back in May" It is our intention to have the strongest squad in the Championship".We then sell 25 million worth of players and bring in 2 frees and a guy from league one and we had no recognised centre forward on the books.
I'll start believing him when his actions once again match his words""

That was season ticket renewal time wasnt it? probably worth listening to the bbc tees interview again

sasboro1 Posted on 24/11/2009 18:38
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""Do you still believe what Gibson comes out with.Did he not say back in May" It is our intention to have the strongest squad in the Championship".We then sell 25 million worth of players and bring in 2 frees and a guy from league one and we had no recognised centre forward on the books.
I'll start believing him when his actions once again match his words""

That was season ticket renewal time wasnt it? probably worth listening to the bbc tees interview again

Algarve Posted on 25/11/2009 13:53
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Skiprat do the maths son, number of home games * ave 20K attendance, * average ticket price, maybe throw in a few cup games and a few shirt sales, and i think you might find that value is pretty close to the 11.2 million you think is small beer.. Now add up the wage bill, away travelling cost, administration and stadium running costs, intrest on debt, etc etc , you got it outgoings far in excess of income, result of this you should be able to guess. But maybe Bandy is right lets lay off him as he will eventually make it , however if he doesnt ????

skiprat Posted on 25/11/2009 15:26
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"Now 11.2 million isn't something to be sniffed at"

Try reading, SON.

Algarve Posted on 25/11/2009 15:43
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I am reading SON and as you told me 11.2 million would be the salaries of 5 of our players, if you are right (and BTW you arent) then we are in even worse shape than i thought. But Skiprat my argument is not with you, but the people on here who are saying giving him time, quite frankly as much as that might be fair, the cold light of the economics suggest he hasnt got any time, and with 4 tough games comming up, he might not see 3 months never mind the 3 years he has in mind.I gave great respect for Southgate as a player as a manager he got us relegated therefore he was out of his depth, however you have to seriously question the people on here who think the wee man has time to get it right, my other point on Strachan is that when a new manager comes in, its usually a spur to the players and usually results and performances improve, non of that is evident here ...

skiprat Posted on 25/11/2009 16:03
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You're not reading my posts at all.

"It's equivalent to just 4 or 5 of our most recent players yearly wage."

The "most recent" part especially. I don't mean anyone that's here now.

I agree that Strachan doesn't have time, he needs to get results a lot sooner than later however the response to his first 3 games is pathetic and childish.

I don't think any manager could come in and transform the poor squad we have, one that flattered to deceive in it's league position when Southgate left, in three games.

It just screams of this stupid must-have-everything-now mentality that surrouds football these days.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 25/11/2009 16:06
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We'll win at Peterborough. It's going on all my slips...

sasboro1 Posted on 25/11/2009 16:09
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we should beat peterborough. Strachan needs that winunder his belt as december looks a bit tougher

borolad259 Posted on 25/11/2009 16:10
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Skiprat. It is not childish to point out that this season we already had a manager with a 64% win rate, and a 2 pts/1.5 goals per game average (near enough).

I very much doubt that Strachan will top that return averaged over 13, or even 30 games.



Algarve Posted on 25/11/2009 16:10
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I read your posts with great interest and i have to say you have some points,

It just screams of this stupid must-have-everything-now mentality that surrouds football these days.
Its sad but that is the world we live in, the finances just dont add up unless we are promoted and even then its tight, on attendances to date. I am neither for or against the wee man, however some of the comments on here, including the originator of the post (who i have shared many a logical argument with over the years) are in cuckoo land.

Big_Shot Posted on 25/11/2009 16:17
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Skiprat, the problem with dismissing our squad as poor, is that the games played up to the point of sacking the manager suggested that despite its limitations it was still one of the better in the division. The chairman even said the reason for changing manager was to gain promotion. So it doesn't seem that unreasonable that people might have expected us to have picked up more than 2 points from the last 12. We'll still make the play offs and that won't be down to Strachan working wonders like some will make out when we do.

skiprat Posted on 25/11/2009 16:31
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There's no denying that Southgate was doing a half decent job after the Derby game but quite a lot of things flattered that position in my view.

Mainly, we were 14 teams in at the Derby game, at that stage of the season not everyone has played each other so results up to a certain stage so early in the season can flatter a team. I think we were one of those teams.

It was only a couple of points difference seperating around 8-12 teams at the point of Southgate's sacking.

That can then swing either way.

Don't get me wrong I think Strachan should defintely be doing better so far and I've personally seen no difference in the way the team is playing but to go on about win ratio's for a manager that got us relegated into this division and was settled compared to someone still learning about this squad and is only 3 games in IS pathetic.

borolad259 Posted on 25/11/2009 17:20
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Skiprat, au contraire. To simply not acknowledge facts is pathetic.
Yes, we were awful last year, but this season, aside from a short run, we demonstrably were not awful...despite a skinny young squad.

Strachan, by the way, has only EVER averaged a win percentage above 50% at Celtic...with the best side in an uncompetetive league. That should put some perspective on it.

His seasonal average in England is nearer 30% which will not get us back up.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/11/2009 18:31
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Southgate's is 28.36%, despite the millions that went through his hands. Strachan had to get his 30% on a lot less.

I'm not sure whether this guy will take us up, the last man had 3 years of continuous decline. I hope Gibson isn't as patient if Strachan proves equally inept.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 25/11/2009 18:40
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The way things are going we'll be in the bottom 3 in time for the New Year

borolad259 Posted on 25/11/2009 18:41
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Southgate's is not impressive, but you'll see a decline over 2 years commensurate with cost-cutting. Ironically, exactly the same thing happened at Cov to Strachan. Compare Strachan's last three seasons at Cov with Southgate's here and they are almost identical.
Strachan did ok at Southampton, but he was very well funded...to the extent that it finished the club as a major force.

Regardless of what he did last year, to achieve that 64% win ratio with the squad he had was actually a much better achievement than Southgate was given credit for. Let's put it this way, our worst run of results this season has coincided with him leaving. Southaters can be in denial as much as they like, but that's the way it is.
Strachan's best win ratio was, I think, 68% at Celtic. That was in a season when Rangers were weak, and as we know, the rest of the league is much less competetive than the one we are in now.

borolad259 Posted on 25/11/2009 18:45
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In addition Corcaigh, re. Strachan's budget at Cov. Bear in mind that overall spending in the league was much lower then....so the competition were not spending as much either. It's all relative...see Boksic.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/11/2009 18:50
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'Southaters'

what a silly term.

Great player, bad manager. I haven't met the man so I don't know whether I'd like him or not.

What do you think of Phil Brown as a manager? What was his win percentage after 11 games last season? That was in the Premier League too.

borolad259 Posted on 25/11/2009 18:53
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Actually, I rated him until he took his team out for a public dressing down, which struck me as sadistic. You reap what you sow....thanks to a shyte ref decision at the KFC Stadium (I was there) Hull stayed up, and we didn't.

skiprat Posted on 26/11/2009 10:11
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"To simply not acknowledge facts is pathetic."

The simple fact is that being one point off top after 14 games wins you nothing.

It's an utterly meaningless point to keep making in regards to Southgate's tenure here.

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:15
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SKippy, the facts I was referring to were the 64% win average. The 2 points and 1.5 goals scored per game.
You carry on ignoring them.

toxic_bob Posted on 26/11/2009 10:19
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borolad, what do you suggest Gibson does now, then? Change manager again??

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:21
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Absolutely not. Strachan should stay until the end of the season at least.

toxic_bob Posted on 26/11/2009 10:22
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In that case you may as well get behind the wee ginger c*nt.

skiprat Posted on 26/11/2009 10:25
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Argghhhhhh!

What does that win percentage mean though when it's 14 games into the season?

Absolutely nothing. We'd not even played everyone in the league and the better teams we had played we'd been trounced by.

0-5 at home to a title rival.
1-2 away to another top half side.
0-1 to a team currently in 3rd.
0-1 to another team in the top half

But oh no, it's ok. We beat 4 teams out of the current bottom 6 so therefore Southgate was an excellent manager and would have had us top if we'd kept onto him a bit more.

You cannot make comparisons and win ratios with just over half of the division played because it doesn't show the true picture, look at our results against teams in the top half of the table, they are shocking.

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:26
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I've already said in plenty of places that I will be behind the WGS. However, I am quite at liberty to express a view about the wisdom of sacking SOuthgate when he was actually performing reasonably well this season.
My beef isn't with Strachan, it's with the people who campaigned so vociferously against Southgate, and who continue to vilify him on here.
Ok with you?

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:28
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Skippy, I can and I did. What you want to do is select results that support your view that Southgate had to go. Fair enough...enjoy the ride. It's going to be fun.

toxic_bob Posted on 26/11/2009 10:30
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Furry muff. However it seems to me that we should accept what's happened, whether we like it or not, and move on. (At least that's what we were all told pre-season when Gareth was staying).

bear66 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:32
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

But the fans didn't move on, and Southgate got sacked and we're now in a mess

boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:34
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

totally agree with you boro lad, we had to listen to southgate knockers on here bdespite being one point from the top, now you point out that its not exactly working so far and you get labelled as the negative one. And its no point using brute facts like win ratio's or where we were in the league cos apparently they werent real them figures.

Bandy Posted on 26/11/2009 10:35
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

read his book - he had worse starts at cov and saints and pulled them round within 6 games. See Celtic also. Why should we be any different. The signs of recovery are there. First half v Forest we had shape, belief and a pattern of play. It's a start

toxic_bob Posted on 26/11/2009 10:36
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

I'd take the view that we were in a mess anyway, and there wasn't a snowball in hell's chance of getting promoted this season (and there probably still isn't). Strachan's been in three games and hasn't got things firing - hopefully he will.

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:36
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Toxic, we might find it easier to move onwards and upwards...when it's onwards and downwards, it's harder.

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:38
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Bandy, I hope you are right.
He had a XXXXXXin good team at COv.

toxic_bob Posted on 26/11/2009 10:39
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Don't think anyone would argue it IS working so far, but we're only three games in. If we're still mid to lower table at the end of the season then you may have a point. Whatever you think about Southgate's departure, Strachan needs cutting some slack for a few games - judge him on results when the results are meaningful.

Bandy Posted on 26/11/2009 10:41
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

what he doesnt need is NOB HEAD fans questioning his every move after three XXXXXX games cos to be honest, he has admitted himself that he doesnt need sh it like this. he'd probably just walk and then we'd be left with agnew and coops again and no fuka would want to come because of our dik head support

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:45
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Bandy, he has my full support, and I hope he "puts his finger on it" pretty soon.
I haven't berated him, but I have pointed out the fact that the results since Gareth's sacking have been our worst run. This is not down to Strachan, I don't think, it's just what can happen when a bunch of young players have their little world turned upside down.
I have also pointed out that his record isn't as brilliant as it might appear. I hope it improves here.

bear66 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:46
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

As long as he gets us promotion this season, as the change was made to achieve, then he'll be a hero - if he doesn't, then it'll be like those who questioned Alves when he first arrived . . . . .

Bandy Posted on 26/11/2009 10:47
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

barring the 2nf half v forest we could have still had gareth in charge. The play was no different. The only difference is that Johnson has had 3 nightmares and obviously knows he's off and he is acting like a cu nt

toxic_bob Posted on 26/11/2009 10:51
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

'This is not down to Strachan, I don't think, it's just what can happen when a bunch of young players have their little world turned upside down.'

Good point.

boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:51
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Stachan will get slack from me, however i will continue to post on here that the decision to sack southgate was wrong until we hit top spot, cos thats the only way we will have improved from where southgate was, and all this bad form is down to the people who wanted him sacked simple as that.

toxic_bob Posted on 26/11/2009 10:53
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

You'll be posting for a long time then mate [;)]

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:54
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

This won't be popular, but I think we've missed the "running about quickly" of Ali and Emnes. Without them, it's easier for defenders to double up on Johnson.
He actually needs to keep performing well to make himself more attractive in Jan.

Bandy Posted on 26/11/2009 10:58
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

but thats all they do - run about - they contribute fuk all else

boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 10:59
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

actually toxicbob your right i think ill be bored by then, well ill post for a bit longer then hows that.

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 11:01
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

However it worked, it did work. Johnson/we scored more freely as a team with aimless running about. I think it was witchcraft.

Bandy Posted on 26/11/2009 11:05
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

not against watford, west brom and leicester it didnt

skiprat Posted on 26/11/2009 11:13
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

What was Phil Brown's win ratio like this time last year?

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boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 11:14
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

and he kept hull up and is doing so again your point?

boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 11:17
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

oh thats right the hull board should have sacked after the arsenal win?

skiprat Posted on 26/11/2009 11:17
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Is doing so again? Are the relegation spots decided in November this year?

It's not XXXXXXing rocket science. Win ratio's during the first quarter of a season mean XXXXXX all to the overall outcome of that season.

boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 11:22
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

so sack people when they are doing well, cos its too late when they are doing badly? [?] and last i heard its only the bottom three that go down, therefore he is so far doing enough to keep them up, not rocket science, just a real poor point bringing phil brown into this discussion.

Bandy Posted on 26/11/2009 11:26
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

its only right that i get the double ton post

skiprat Posted on 26/11/2009 11:27
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

It's not a poor point at all, you're just poor at comprehending it.

Phil Brown's win ratio was a lot worse at the END of the season than it was after the first 10 games and Southgate's was heading the same way.

Yes we were one point from top when he was sacked but we were also a couple from 10th. I'll be looking at where we are at the end of the season, November and after 14 games is completely meaningless and means nothing to the overall picture AT THE END OF THE SEASON.

toxic_bob Posted on 26/11/2009 11:29
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Skiprat, it's like trying to explain relativity to an aphid.

Well done for trying, though.

boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 11:40
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

So sack people when they are doing well then thats what your saying, its an awful point how about this one then look at chelsea's start does that mean they will finish in the bottom half? its a totally unrelated point that has no bearing on this argument whatsoever

boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 11:42
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

and if the first 14 games are meaningless why the fcuk are you bothered about losing to watford leicester and west brom?

skiprat Posted on 26/11/2009 11:44
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Have I even mentioned sacking anyone when they are doing well?

I'm not even going on about Southgate's sacking, I'm discussing the irrelevance of using win ratio's to big a manager up when you're only a quarter through the season.

Pointless and dire, but not as pointless and dire as trying to explain this to you has become so this is my final post on the matter.

toxic_bob Posted on 26/11/2009 11:45
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

See what I mean?

boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 11:49
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

your point is baseless and ridiculous using one example as a rule in a myriad of potential possibilities, i'm using actual hard facts. Nothing to explain toxic bob, he is talking about what might have could have may have, im talking about what did happen. simple enough for an aphid or any other plant munching insect!

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 12:19
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

Skiprat, you don't like accepting the significance the win ratio over 13 games because it doesn't tally with your sentiment.
You say the win ratio was going down hill at the end, but it wasn't. Last 3 games, win ratio 66%...actually an improvement on the season's average.
Stick to facts. Or wallow in sentiment.

skiprat Posted on 26/11/2009 12:26
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

It's because it doesn't have any significance.

A win ratio at the end of the season fair enough, after a quarter of games is pointless.

Anyway, sorry lads but I'm off to tell people that the sky is blue and the grass is green.

boro8686 Posted on 26/11/2009 12:35
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

but it doesnt matter if its green now cos that has no bearing on what colour the grass will be in may!!

borolad259 Posted on 26/11/2009 13:28
Strachan knows what he's doing - lay off

WHile you are at it Skippy, tell them you'd have sacked Phil Brown after 13 games last season.