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ridsdale Posted on 16/11/2009 23:10
"Parent and child" parking

If you can't control your kids, leave them at home because you are a bad parent.

Stop expecting special treatment.



"At 86 my parents don’t get out much, but once a week they like to have lunch at the café of their local supermarket. Since both now walk with a stick — my ma is registered disabled, my dad recovering from a stroke — they need to park close to the store.

But this week the disabled places were all full so they took the nearest one, a parent-and-child bay. Later they returned to their car to find a note pinned to the windscreen.

“This is not a disabled space,” it said. “This is for parents, you stupid old XXXXXXs.” So, it appears that some young and able-bodied mother or father — the note, of course, was anonymous — thought that their own inconvenience in having to walk small children a few yards farther across a car park took precedence over the needs of the elderly couple they had clearly observed struggling inside. And they were so enraged by this injustice that they took out a Biro and penned words calculated to scare or shame them into line.

The note-writer is ignorant as well as cruel: a Blue Badge holder has the right to park in any space — even on yellow lines — by law. Parent-and- child parking is just a gimmick, a marketing wheeze: families, with their megapacks of Pampers and Frubes, their £100-plus weekly shops, are customers worth cultivating. And while, a decade ago, when I had babies myself, I appreciated the extra room to open doors wide and fiddle fat-fingeredly with pesky car-seat buckles, I saw those spaces as a courtesy, not a right."





Link: Spoilt kids, spoilt parents.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 16/11/2009 23:18
"Parent and child" parking

Well, if what you say is correct, disabled people take priority over parents and children regarding parking, which is fair enough.

Next time that happens and anyone says you're in a parent/child parking space, just point out that you are with your parents.

flaps Posted on 16/11/2009 23:43
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Only lazy people with bad parenting skills think these spaces are a good idea.

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 16/11/2009 23:49
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i think for the majority that use them it is seen as a way of having room to get a pushchair close to the car wthout scratching the car next to it and giving a bit of room to faf with the car seats! my kids are grown up now so dont use them however i still say somthing to people whopark in them with out kids, been threatened a few times but most are just thinkXXXXXXs who think the world owes them a living

degsyspesh Posted on 16/11/2009 23:56
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rids - good article.

There's nothing worse (well, there is, but you know what I mean) than self righteous parents who genuinely believe that just because they have kids the whole world has to change what it is doing to accomodate them. Assuming that story is true then whoever wrote the note needs a slap.

That said, I've got kids and use parent & child spaces - personally I couldn't give a fk if they're close to the store or not, I'm not disabled - I've got legs and can walk, what I can't do easily is get kids in and out of car seats in normal parking spaces because the car doors won't open far enough without hitting the car in the next space

ccole Posted on 17/11/2009 00:06
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Why arnt all parking spaces that size[ref]

fozzylegend Posted on 17/11/2009 00:09
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whilst i would never park in a disabled space , i would and do park in the parent baby spaces... even though i hardly ever take the kids shopping with me and they are now 10 and 11 anyway!...... when my kids were small i manage well enough before these extra wide spaces were invented...... so everyone else can , can't they?

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 17/11/2009 00:23
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i think those spaces were invented well before your kids were mate!

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 17/11/2009 00:24
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Of course these oh so brave people attacking elderly motorists don't have the guts to leave their names on their notes, do they? Nor would they dream of speaking direct to the elderly motorists concerned, probably terrified of them. Cowards.

Scrote Posted on 17/11/2009 02:56
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blue badge scheme information pack - page 1:

"Your Blue Badge will help you to park close to your destination, either as a passenger or driver.

However, the badge is only valid for on-street parking. It does not automatically apply to off-street car parks, such as local authority or supermarket car parks, or on privately owned roads, such as you might find at airports. This leaflet will provide you with more information about where you can and cannot park."

SNOWBANDIT Posted on 17/11/2009 07:42
courtesy

It's a small thing - but an interesting snap shot of human behaviour.

personally - I had no use of these bays,never noticed who parked there -NOR would I ever of parked in one.


Now I have a toddler - with the regulation child safety seats, you DO need to have the door open wider than normal. I know this now, as my missus doesn't drive - and it's muggins who has to do the shopping.And it difficult ( though not impossible) to get him out with the door hitting ther next car ( in a normal weeny bay).

But my god what a lot of selfish and lazy people about- the ones that really get me are the quite respectable looking - who pull up in these bays.

I used to get a bit wound up I have to admit after driving around for the 3rd time.

Now,I just park as far away from the entrance - less hassle - me and the lad enjoy the extra walk admiring the cars.

I don't see why they HAVE to be right next to the store do, as this is where it is most frantic.

No idea at ALL why it extends right up to 12 years old though.

bororeddaz Posted on 17/11/2009 08:12
courtesy

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I also think the child bays should be further away from the store. Ridsdale, feel free to park next to me when I have child seats to fasten and a baby to get to and from the car

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 08:49
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I'd really like flaps to explain why those of us that think parent and child spaces are a good idea are lazy and have bad parenting skills. It's yet another blinkered and arrogant view.

I think they are a good idea but not to the detriment of disabled people. Their proximity to the shop is of secondary importance but there are still justifiable reasonsin favour of having them close. Pushing a trolley and having two or three kids across a busy car park is dangerous. Nothing to do with parenting skills.

More importantly though is the size of the space. Those of you, like flaps, criticising these spaces as a gimmick have clearly never tried to get a child into a car in a really tight space. Nigh on impossible not to knock the car next to you.

Why on earth making things a little bit easier for parents in such a situation causes people such a problem is beyond me.

Now, ridsdale's story is another matter entirely. Clearly the note makers were cretins but some people are, parents or not.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 08:51
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or fit footballers parking their 4x4 in the disabled in Morrisons in Darlington. Toossers.

mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 09:01
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Blue badge holders get on my tits.

There - I've said it.

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 09:08
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When my kids were small I never had any trouble getting them out of a car, some of you must have particularly fat offspring.

How do you manage when you take them to places other than supermarkets?

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 09:12
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Of course you manage piggy, that's not the point.

I am questioning why on earth anyone should get upset about supermarkets making it a bit easier for parents?


Manfriday Posted on 17/11/2009 09:13
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I wonder how many kids have avoided being run over in supermarket carparks as a result of the bays? Even if it prevents 1 kid being knocked over then its worth it. So you lazy sods have to walk an extra 20 yards to save a kid getting knocked over, boohoo. As someone said its hard controlling 3 kids across what some people treat as a race track. Especially if they have been cooped up in the car for a while and just want to run when you let them out

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 09:15
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There is no good reason why anyone should get upset about supermarkets making it a bit easier for parents, Adi. But thats life, some people seem to get upset if they perceive anyone getting something that they dont.

Best to ignore the whole thing and just quietly get on with your own stuff.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 09:16
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You're probably right but I'll still put my two penneth in!!

CheshireBoro Posted on 17/11/2009 09:19
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I have three kids (14yo, 11yo and 8 weeks). Having been shopping every Sunday since the birth of our recent addition, i can honestly say that the spaces are a godsend. It isnt so much being closer to the store, its the wider space - it counters the absolute terror of the trolley with a newborn baby in it being hit by a car reversing.

mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 09:25
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Cheshire - more to the point - what the bleeding hell you doing having another nipper when you've got a 14 yr old and an 11 yr old?

You were nearly there mate - nearly at freedom.

whoyadoin4 Posted on 17/11/2009 09:45
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If you can't be arsed to get a disable badge for your crippled 86 yo parents...

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 09:49
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Well here's my slant on it. My Mother is 60. She had Polio as a child wich completely detroyed her right arm Shoulder muscle. She now suffers from Post Polio Syndrome with means she has bad posture due to the unbalence nature of her body resulting in back and neck pain. Now as Post Polio is yet to be fully recognised and as the distrbution of Blue Badgers is largly based upon how far you can walk, she can't get one.

She quite often looks after my nearly 2 year old daughter. When she does she likes to take her to play groups and play areas like the ones in the Pavilion in Thornaby town centre. If she parks in a normal bay she simply can't get my daughter out the car, its a physical impossibility for her, she needs a wider space. If there's no Parent and Child spaces available she waits till one of the fat ignorant buisness men return to their BMW.

Ridsdale i'm sure your parents could have waited 10 mins for a disabled space to become available. I'm sure they have more time on their hands than parents of small children.

Manfriday Posted on 17/11/2009 09:59
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I dont think it was ridsdales parents, rather a cut and paste from a newspaper, which didnt check its facts about the legality of blue badges in supermarket carparks

Kilburn Posted on 17/11/2009 10:00
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I'm all for herding parents with small children into their own sections where they can do what they like without impacting the rest of us.

Their own parking spaces so they don't dent neighbouring cars when trying to get the kids in and out? Good.

Can we also have their own section on planes and trains, so the little dears can scream the place down out of earshot please?

Maybe areas in restaurants too, where the kid can run around inbetween the tables shouting to their heart's content?


mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 10:01
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Kilburn - remember - children are our future, treat them well and let them lead the way.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 10:06
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Kilburn - that is a parenting issue rather than an issue with children per se. My two kids are not allowed down from the table if they are in a restaurant (which they are never in after 7pm). They don't cause any problem whatsoever with any other diners.It's about bringing them up correctly and respecting other people.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 17/11/2009 10:14
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The Parent and child spaces are a very good idea. Extra space and the fact that you don't have to try and walk across the carpark makes it alot safer.

The real lazy XXXXXXs are the ones at Tesco in Stockton who park infront of the cash machine while they nip to get their cash out. Blocking crossings, one lane of traffic.

I was driving back up the A1 a few months ago on the way back from a weekend away, pulled into Weatherby services and was surprised to see no parent and child spaces. I pulled into a disabled space near the front door (all disabled spaces were empty) while my wife took my 3 yo daughter to the toilet. I stayed in the car with the engine running incase a fleet of disabled cars turned up and I would move. Some bloke walked past and muttered to his missus 'he doesn't have a disabled badge'. Now common sense at 10pm was missing on this guy, I should have flattend him. Every disabled space was empty and my lass was running in for 2 mins with my daughter.

Angry_Man Posted on 17/11/2009 10:22
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I visit Tescos most days for my dinner and i used to park in the Parent & Child bays everyday, reason being i was sick of idiots banging their car doors into mine and time and time again i was having to foot the bill by having paintwork touched up on my car.

Now i tend to park at the VERY back of the car park and walk to the shop in the hope that no one parks next to me.

I would still park in a Parent and Child bay if there were plenty of spaces and i wanted to though.

Capybara Posted on 17/11/2009 10:22
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[smi] Kilburn.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 10:36
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"I would still park in a Parent and Child bay if there were plenty of spaces and i wanted to though."

Tosser.

skiprat Posted on 17/11/2009 10:40
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How did we ever manage without these spaces in the first place?

Supermarket car parks must have been like scrapyards by the end of the day with random other people's car parts strewn all over the tarmac by poor parents trying to get their nippers out of the car.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 10:41
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Necessity's the mother of invention.

Kilburn Posted on 17/11/2009 10:43
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You're right of course Adi. The people who get to me at restaurants in London are the very middle-class types who smirk benevolently as they watch their kids run riot. If anyone complains they start bemoaning how the English attitude to children in restaurants is so backward, and how in Europe they are welcomed as a matter of course.

What the stupid sods don't realise is that in Europe the parents teach their kids how to behave in restaurants from an early age, so they don't charge around causing chaos.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 11:00
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Mother & Child spaces are prejudice against those of us who are sensible enough not to have any rugrats.

Manfriday Posted on 17/11/2009 11:04
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Otherwise known as jaffas marlon :)

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 11:06
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What Asda have done at their new Potrack store is the way ahead for me. The Disabled places are nearest to store. The Child spaces are in with the other spaces but they have a covered walkway in between the two rows of them with crossings to the store. There's nearly always child spaces available because it offers fat lazy gits no advantage in terms of how far they have to walk.

speckyget Posted on 17/11/2009 11:06
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Kilburn, there are restaurants other than Wacky Warehouse you know.

CheshireBoro Posted on 17/11/2009 11:35
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Mick,

its the last. I was dispatched to the GP shortly afterwards with a slipper to bite on afterwards. It still smarts a little.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 11:48
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Don't give a monkey's about P&C spaces. They're a convenience for a valuable demographic, a marketing idea that each supermarket now has to emulate, nothing more.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 12:09
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well said flaps.

Some of the fat fcukers and their obese offspring look like they'd need a good fcuking walk anyway.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 12:11
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And whilst we're on the subject, why don't you leave the little gets at home with one parent and the other one can go and do the shopping.

Or is being married and having kids such a mundane existence that a trip to Asda is the highlight of the week ?

speckyget Posted on 17/11/2009 12:24
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Fkin children. Send 'em back.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 12:32
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Send the buggers back

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 12:33
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Marlon - single parents, partners at work etc etc Not come into your thinking?

These spaces may well be a gimmick or a marketing strategy but that does not detract from the sound and reasonable arguments in their favour on this thread.

Kilburn - I'm a parent and I am just as irritated by unruly children as you are. What being a parent has shown me is just how easy it is to teach children how to behave in any situation. They learn and adapt and I am happy to say that my children are seen and not heard in any given situation.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 12:39
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Single parents get enough help on this little island, I'm sure an extra 20 yds to walk or 6 inches less space to get their sprog out won't affect their benefits.

And similarly, if their partners at work or just wait until they come home. They do open after 6pm nowadays you know.


Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 12:42
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Why not have allotted times for certain types of person to go to the supermarket.

9 - 11 - Parents
11 - 1 - Those with disabilities
1 - 3 - Chavs
6 - 8 - Workers

etc etc

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 12:44
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I think you're going a bit too far there like.


Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 12:45
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I think it's an elegant solution.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 12:47
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I'd go for that.

MoggasDog Posted on 17/11/2009 12:48
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i think we should be able to bum those horrible women in zafiras who think theyve spawned some kind of supreme race when in fact they are fat, ugly spoilt little c unts ripped to their tiny tits on all the e numbers in turkey swizzles and beans their cretinous mother has been feeding them.
same tw ats that have to drive their moon faced kids to school and back everyday in case the wind blows them away or something.

speckyget Posted on 17/11/2009 12:49
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What about workers with disabilities? Or more to the point, chav parents?

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 12:50
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Needs refining because you need to identify how many people are likely to be in each category and set the time limit accordingly.

Perhaps even a first class time slot where you can buy tickets and not expect to see anyone of a lower class than yourself?

Might even be a black market trade whereby you can get hold of a ticket for a better time slot.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 12:52
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It's a good point specky. Chav parents, if taking their children would have to go in the parents slot but if on their own would have to go in the chav slot. Alternatively introduce sub-categories to each slot.

speckyget Posted on 17/11/2009 12:53
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I think you'd struggle if categorisation was left to subjective self selection. As in 'Ow, amnorrafukn chav me like.'

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 12:54
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Yes, it is becoming a bit complicated but it would create jobs as it would need a selection process and proper policing.

Self categorisation is a no go, I agree.

It's a winner of an idea.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 12:57
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Old people, slow people, stupid people, parents, chavs and shoplifters can have 9-4.

The rest of the time is for everyone else. Simple.

mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 13:02
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"........... happy to say that my children are seen and not heard in any given situation."

Hark at Victorian father.

Must be a right barrel of laughs at your house

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 13:07
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Yep, it is. Thanks.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 13:28
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Chavs with kids should be confined to Netto/Aldi/Lidl etc...........


Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:29
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child bays are a must. it's a XXXXXX nightmare getting a small child in and out of a car when you are sandwiched between two retards who cant park properly

skiprat Posted on 17/11/2009 13:30
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Kids can and should still be respectful and quiet in public places but can still have a laugh at home Mick.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 13:31
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Exactly the rules I adopt skip.

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:31
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taking kids into the supermarket is a bold adventure for them.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 13:34
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bandy for one who is the younger version of Victor Meldrew on this board I would have thought you'd appreciate the annoyance of a screaming whinging little brat on the want in a supermarket.

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:35
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I can appreciate it and every parent has one. It's no big deal. I love kids. I just dont take them into work cos I hate all the fuss that surrounds it. Absolute nonsense.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 17/11/2009 13:35
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Very good article.

littlejimmy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:38
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Don't let Marlon have a say in the parking categorisation. We'll have separate parking bays for rugrats, splitarses and botters.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 13:39
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Marlon, it's no more irritating than any number of people or things that you come across in a supermarket. Or any other public place for that matter.

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:39
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does the writer of the article have kids?

mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 13:40
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Not what you said Adi - you said in any given situation.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 13:41
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You're right but in context I think my meaning was clear. Anyway, in order to be clear, I meant in a public situation.

speckyget Posted on 17/11/2009 13:42
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Living out at God's Waiting Room, the worst supermarket hazard is the oldsters. Clogging up the aisles in a slack-mouthed fearful-eyed indecisive scrum. No lane discipline and nothing but time on their hands.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 13:43
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Their is nothing more annoying than out of control kids in a supermarket with feckless parents who let their litlle cherubs get away with murder.

Leave them at home or take them to the park later if you want to wear them out.

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:43
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and so to conclude, those without kids feel the need to lambast those with for having extra priveledges but as soon as they have kids they will realise the importance of these allocated spaces.

DoylePolice Posted on 17/11/2009 13:44
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What a miserable, self righteous bunch of doyles!

YOU'RE NICKED!!!!! nee norr nee norr nee norrr....

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:45
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I keep reminding this bint at work who absolutley detested kids that in 6 months time she will be bringing one into work and I WONT be donating any coinage

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:48
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I used to take mine to the supermarket to look at the fish counter. Its much cheaper than going to The Sealife Centre.

BoroGrecian Posted on 17/11/2009 13:48
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I have no problem with Kids and Parents parking as such.

However what I take exception to is the fact that this parking is often right outside the supermarkets and the disabled parking can be a walk away, which for a disabled person could be like walking a mile even if it's only a few hundred yards.

Personally I think the priorities are wrong in locations not the intent.

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:49
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good call piggy. My son loves the fish counter

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 13:53
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"those without kids feel the need to lambast those with for having extra priveledges "

Thats my whole point, why should you or other parents get extra priveledges just because you've managed to shoot your load at the right time ?

Its just another scam by the major supermarkets to get you in and another case of our society becoming Amercinaised.

My mother managed me & my two sisters on a bus when she was in her mid 20's, now parents expect to be airlifted to the front doors of an establishment if they have to park further than 50 yds away.


Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 13:55
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like I said, when you have kids you wont give two XXXXXXs about those that havent and if life can be made that much easier you will happily take the plate from the servant

London_Boro Posted on 17/11/2009 13:57
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Parents with Babies & Toddlers using these parking spaces, fine! anyone with kids over the age of 3 should probably use the normal spaces, a 3 year old can quite easily be helped out of the car and walk to the shop entrance.

A trip to the supermarket can be fun for the kids. Mine is 2 years old, well behaved and cheeky to the checkout assistants (always says hello etc to them and gives them a cheesy grin)

The wife has him counting up to 20 at 2 years old partly because of filling bags with friut/veg etc at the supermarket.

Parents who let their kids run riot should be the ones gettting the stick here. Let a kid run loose and mess about and of course it's going to happen....they're only kids!

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 13:57
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"However what I take exception to is the fact that this parking is often right outside the supermarkets and the disabled parking can be a walk away, which for a disabled person could be like walking a mile even if it's only a few hundred yards."

I have never know this to be the case in the many many supermarkets i have vistited.


When it comes to parenthood, its one of those things that you have absolutly no concept of until you've experience it. When i was a daft young lad i used to park my GTI in the Child spaces, my train of thought was 'well they shouldn't of had kids if they can't manage them'. Being a parent changes your mind on a lot of things (things much more important than Child spaces) and makes you alot less selfish.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 13:58
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bandy, you've more faces than the town hall clock [ref]

If you're going to be chief ranter in place of the board you can't pick & choose your subjects.


TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 14:00
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"Thats my whole point, why should you or other parents get extra priveledges just because you've managed to shoot your load at the right time ?"

Its not about been parents being given priveledges, its about the safety of children and stopping peoples cars being damage.

Angelmatty Posted on 17/11/2009 14:01
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I have a 20m old girl who can walk no problem
and she does walk from where i park and she doesnt complain.

Pointless spaces agree should be used for disabled parking only.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 14:02
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TheBoy007, you've only become a lot more selfish because you can use those spaces legitimitaly(sp) now..

The way some of you go on you'd think you had fathered a child for the first time in the human race. For years people got on without priveledges.

Along with these spaces i would think a fair few of you are getting child or family tax or whatever they call it.

So to sum up I pay my taxes for you to buty Lambrini in Asda and then I have to walk further to the entrance for my troubles.



TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 14:03
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If you ever have kids Marlon you'll change your mind.

My mam managed me and my sister on buses aswell, but she's eternally grateful for any little help she can get with her Grandkids.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 14:04
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Thats because she's older you stupid get.

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 14:04
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marlon, bout time you had a few anyway. You can spend all your free time supping ale. You'll tunr into homer simpson

BoroPhil Posted on 17/11/2009 14:05
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why shouldn't parents get extra priviledges? kids are the future.

if you park in a parent/baby spot when you shouldn't you are a selfish, ignorant XXXXXX, plain and simple. (obviously not in the OP case)

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 14:06
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Marlon who'll be paying for your Pension, public service's, free bus pass, Hospitals, nurseing home, Police/Fire Force ect when you retire? My fcuking kids, thats who!

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 14:07
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"Thats because she's older you stupid get"

So should they be Grandparent and Child spaces then?

mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 14:07
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Not mine - I'm going make sure they have nowt to do with blokes called Marlon.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 14:09
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Will they fcuk, by the time I retire the retirement age will be 75 and you'll have to pay for everything yourself. Its not far away from that scenario now. Selling your house to pay for your nursing home fees etc, pensdions being worth fcuk all......

And as far as the kids are the future. fcuk me I though Derek Acorah or whatever he's called had brought Jacko back to lidfe on this thread then.


TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 14:10
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I know i'm banging my head against a brick wall but if you ever have kids Marlon (you'll have to get a girlfriend first!) you'll relise that anything thats makes them even 1% safer is fine by you.

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 14:10
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mickbrown, I have no intentions of moving to Millionaires row in the Bolton suburbs.

Angry_Man Posted on 17/11/2009 14:10
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Forget the kids.... us lazy gits need the bigger parking bays.

Gives the "Super Parents" something to whinge about

SNOWBANDIT Posted on 17/11/2009 14:11
When is a space not a space

To all those healthy duses , who would happily park in a Mumma and Babe space,because you a) disagree with policy
and b) I'll park were the XXXXXX I like.


how would you like someone to park right next to your car doors? - just because they park where the XXXXXX they want, you'd be happy about that would yer?

It's like a unwritten law, like queueing.
Surely it's little things like that that hold society together .. or else anarchy would reign ( some would say already does in some areas).

Angry_Man Posted on 17/11/2009 14:11
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TheBoy007 for president. [pa]

WOOOOO [:D]

MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 14:11
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You'll have to get a girlfriend first.

Good point. i best tell the one I live with to sling her hook as I'm having the misfortune of having to walk an extra 20 yds across the supermarket carpark.


MarlonD Posted on 17/11/2009 14:12
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rids, do you want your spoon back now ?

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 14:13
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I mean a real one Marlon, not just the one in your head![:D]

mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 14:14
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Marlon - doubt you'd get through border control to be honest.

scooby Posted on 17/11/2009 14:15
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I think we need a thread on the mobo awards for the full set.


flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 14:17
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"how would you like someone to park right next to your car doors? - just because they park where the XXXXXX they want, you'd be happy about that would yer?"

What a bizarre and pointless comparison.

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 14:19
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I wonder why Supermarkets dont have creches where you could dump your kids for an hour or two whilst you do your shopping.

I remember when mine were getting a bit of a handful I used to take them to Dickens, check them in to the play area for an hour and just sit out of sight and read my paper in peace.

Angry_Man Posted on 17/11/2009 14:20
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"how would you like someone to park right next to your car doors? - just because they park where the XXXXXX they want, you'd be happy about that would yer?"

As stated earlier, this is why i use the bigger bays as n0bs who cannot drive / park, hit my car with their doors and chip my paint

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 14:21
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"I wonder why Supermarkets dont have creches where you could dump your kids for an hour or two whilst you do your shopping"

cos the world is a scary place now full of freaky XXXXXXas

mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 14:23
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You being sarcastic?

Cos it ain't really is it?

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 14:23
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would you leave your kid in a supermarket creche????

crazy

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 14:27
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No qualms at all, although the youngest is 17. I didnt have any worries about leaving them in the creche at Dickens when they were toddlers. Well, only that they might get bored and I'd get tannoyed before I'd finished reading my paper.

Either it was a different world then or I was a feckless father. Both probably.


WillMunny Posted on 17/11/2009 14:34
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"As stated earlier, this is why i use the bigger bays as n0bs who cannot drive / park, hit my car with their doors and chip my paint"

If you're worried about that then you can park in a less busy part of the car park. For example, except for December, I've never seen the Morrisons car park at Teesside Park anywhere near full. I just park in the middle away from any other cars and set off on the arduous 45 yard walk to the front door.

Bandy Posted on 17/11/2009 14:34
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would you consider doing it now if you have toddlers?

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 14:36
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If you can't control your kids in a car park maybe you could leave them at home?

Angry_Man Posted on 17/11/2009 14:36
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WILLMUNNY

If you read my full post i also stated that i have no problem parking in a parent & child bay if there are plenty of free spaces, but now i generally park at the far end of the car park.

WillMunny Posted on 17/11/2009 14:37
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"When i was a daft young lad i used to park my GTI in the Child spaces, my train of thought was 'well they shouldn't of had kids if they can't manage them'. Being a parent changes your mind on a lot of things (things much more important than Child spaces) and makes you alot less selfish."

Well that's debatable boy. You used those spaces before having kids 'cos you were selfish and you use them now 'cos you're still selfish as far as i can see.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 14:38
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I don't consider it a selfish act to park in a parent and child space, because it's not something the parent needs in the first place.

It's like calling Rosa Parks selfish for sitting in a 'white person's' seat.

WillMunny Posted on 17/11/2009 14:39
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"Marlon who'll be paying for your Pension, public service's, free bus pass, Hospitals, nurseing home, Police/Fire Force ect when you retire? My fcuking kids, thats who!"

I really cant see why people have a problem with parent and child parking bays. But the above statement is so ignorant it is ridiculous.

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 14:40
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I dont know really, probably not to read the paper these days, but perhaps if I really did have shopping to do.

Does that seem wrong? Is it much different from when people use 'kids clubs' on holiday?

WillMunny Posted on 17/11/2009 14:46
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Fair enough AngryMan. I was responding just to that one post, but it seems we are in agreement.

mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 14:46
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Bandy - they're no more at risk now than we were as nippers.

ridsdale Posted on 17/11/2009 14:50
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It is symptom of the child as a possession.

Something to take shopping and show off. A bit of a accessory, why take the kids out to do food shopping anyway?

Leave them at home with granny.



Angry_Man Posted on 17/11/2009 14:59
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Agreed Rids... its bad enough dordelling (sp) around with the wife without little ba5tard kids aswell

ridsdale Posted on 17/11/2009 15:23
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What really annoys me is the school run.

Where parents suddenly can squeeze into any space as long as it is no more than five steps from the school gates.

To achieve this, they park on zig zag/double yellow lines. They run over any other parents and children to get to the school gates. And woe betide any lollypop lady who gets in the way of the precious ones having to use their tired little legs.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 15:23
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What ill informed rubbish a lot of you are spouting. The spaces are as beneficial to non-parents as they are to parents.

As a parent I can say categorically that the spaces put me at ease in terms of the safety of my kids and the safety of others.

In terms of where they are, I don't mind them being at the back of the car park if there is access to a footpath to the door.

It is not about convenience, it is about safety for me. I had to go shopping with my week old newborn daughter because my wife was still in hospital (complications). It was at the Tesco near Horse and Jockey (near North Tees) and it was bloody busy. Cars screeching around the car park, people pulling out in front of other cars etc etc. To have that bit of space to put the trolley next to the car as opposed to at the end of the car was extremely reassuring.

Until you've had the experience, you are not in a position to condemn these car parking spaces, it's as simple as that.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 15:26
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My kids are in their 20's and teenagers, they managed without the need for a special parking place. Stop talking middle-class shoite.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:26
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We've dicussed this before Adi. If supermarket car parks are so dangerous then they should be made safer for everyone.

If they're particularly dangerous for your children because you're not sure what they'll do, leave them at home or have more control.

They're a new thing, people managed before their introduction. Now that they're here, you're acting like they're the difference between life and death for your children. What a load of twaddle.

They're a convenience and you benefit. That's it.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:29
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I live near a school. It's unbelievable the speeds some parents drive at to and from picking up their kids. Faster than I'd drive on the same road on a weekend.

And these are the same people who would demand these silly P&C spaces on grounds of safety.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 17/11/2009 15:30
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Car parking would be safer if people stuck to the speed limits in them.

The P&C in Tesco Stockton is quite large, I normally park on the section facing out onto the A177. That is one of the furthest points from the doors but it is safer because you are straight onto the pavement that leads around to the front of the store.

The biggest XXXXXXs in that car park are the ones who nip to the cash machine and park obstructing the crossing.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 15:34
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"If they're particularly dangerous for your children because you're not sure what they'll do, leave them at home or have more control."

Classic statement from a man with no kids.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:36
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"Classic statement from a man with no kids."

Classic statement from somebody with kids who has decided that the world revolves around them.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 15:37
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"Marlon who'll be paying for your Pension, public service's, free bus pass, Hospitals, nurseing home, Police/Fire Force ect when you retire? My fcuking kids, thats who!"

'I really cant see why people have a problem with parent and child parking bays. But the above statement is so ignorant it is ridiculous.'


Why is it? Its true. Also who'll be looking after you in your old age? Who'll be the dr's, nurse's, Police officers, service sector workers of the future? Todays kids thats who.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 15:40
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"Classic statement from somebody with kids who has decided that the world revolves around them. "

What you can deduce that i think the world revolves around my kids from the one statement i made above? Who are you Derren Brown? (is that better flapper? haha see what i did there!)

Anyway i don't think the world revolves around my kids. But I know MY world revolves around them.

London_Boro Posted on 17/11/2009 15:40
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Jonny, i agree with that too, people parking in disabled bays to nip to the cashpoint is a disgrace. Known as 'Cash Point Cripples' to most!


Someone above posted...
"It is symptom of the child as a possession.

Something to take shopping and show off. A bit of a accessory, why take the kids out to do food shopping anyway?

Leave them at home with granny."


That's fine, if you have family around to look after them. We often nip off to the shops while we have family visiting and leave the baby at home, but we don't have that day to day luxury as they all live in Middlesbrough....and we don't.

While I'm at work and my wife is home on her own with our baby what else is she supposed to do?

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:41
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"What you can deduce that from that one statement? Who are you Derren Brown?"

This makes no sense. I think you have comprehension issues. A night class or two might help [^]

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:41
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"While I'm at work and my wife is home on her own with our baby what else is she supposed to do?"

Internet shopping?

London_Boro Posted on 17/11/2009 15:45
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'Internet shopping'

Yeah, I'll give you that one if you're doing a weekly shop, we have used it loads in the past.

But what about when you only need a tenners worth of things etc, no point doing an internet shop for that and then waiting for delivery is there. Sometimes you need a few bits fairly quickly.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 15:45
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No, that's not 'it' flaps.

I am not arguing that car parks are dangerous, I am not arguing that the world revolves around me and I am certainly not arguing that they are a matter of life and death. So please stop exaggerating to make your point seem more reasonable.

There are lots of things that we managed without before but that improve our lives in various ways so that, as an argument, is a non-starter.

I really struggle to understand why you should have such a problem with them. Take the convenience point away. Move them to the back of the car park and put a footpath there to the front door. No problem. It is not about convenience so don't presume that it is.

You don't and can't understand the point because you don't have children. That's fair enough. I am telling you though, from personal experience, that they make the experience safer for my children and for you. I repeat, I am not sure why that should upset you.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 15:47
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I only take my kids shopping as a last resort. Usually i do get a family member to look after them. Taking kids shopping is massively stressful and i can't imagine anyone would do it if they didn't have to.

ridsdale Posted on 17/11/2009 15:48
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What about these school runs?

London_Boro Posted on 17/11/2009 15:48
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Pìss off ridsdale! [;)]

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:49
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"Take the convenience point away. Move them to the back of the car park and put a footpath there to the front door. No problem. It is not about convenience so don't presume that it is."

Except they're not there. They're placed for maximum convenience. Because that's what they are. A convenience.

"You don't and can't understand the point because you don't have children."

Sorry to burst your arrogant, presumptuous little bubble but while I don't have children I do have nieces and nephews, and I haven't had a problem in the car park with them.

Of course, they're well behaved. Your mileage may vary.

mickbrown Posted on 17/11/2009 15:50
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Don't even know why I get involved in this, I never go shopping - I get Occado to deliver.

Going to the supermarket is for peasants.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 15:50
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The reason why Flaps is so anti-kids is because he's jealous. He'll never have kids and so envies people who have them and live a 'normal' life. You'll probably come to terms with it one day flaps and be at peace with yourself.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:53
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And thus the argument for parent and child spaces was lost. [^]

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 15:53
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"Sorry to burst your arrogant, presumptuous little bubble but while I don't have children I do have nieces and nephews, and I haven't had a problem in the car park with them.

Of course, they're well behaved. Your mileage may vary. "

Yeh i always behaved for my Uncle with the bright red face and scary mole with hairs growing out of it.[:O]

SNOWBANDIT Posted on 17/11/2009 15:53
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"It's like calling Rosa Parks selfish for sitting in a 'white person's' seat. "

what a bizarre comparison.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:54
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"what a bizarre comparison."

Not really, but you get top marks for trying.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 15:54
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"And thus the argument for parent and child spaces was lost."

Well you know when you're beat.

At least a beaten dog knows how to lie.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:55
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"Yeh i always behaved for my Uncle with the bright red face and scary mole with hairs growing out of it."

I suppose you do as your girlfriend tells you for similar reasons lmao

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 15:55
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"Well you know when you're beat."

You really can't read can you. Hope your kids are significantly brighter than you or they won't be contributing much to my care when I'm an OAP.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 15:59
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Flaps on the run! Resorting to grammer is one of his favourites when he's getting his @rse kicked[:D]

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 16:00
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The next one will be 'sorry i just can't take you seriously'

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:01
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Well, no, I didn't resort to grammar. I'm not certain you know what grammar is.

Thick kids, a fat girlfriend, and now embarrassing yourself on a message board. It's not a good day for you is it boy.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 16:04
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Having worked in Supermarkets for over a decade, I can tell the mummies and daddies with their fatties who have to be so pampered that they need a special spot for the 4x4, a marketing bloke in Waitrose thought it up.

Get them closer, they buy more and only shop in one place.


Make the fatties walk a bit.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:05
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"a marketing bloke in Waitrose thought it up."

Exactly.

Redcar_Sean Posted on 17/11/2009 16:05
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Ow, I use the parent and child parking at supermarkets. But there again I do have 3 kids in tow, along with the wife! And we do spend alot more money than what say a single person would so why shouldn't we get to park closer?

The microwave meal for one brigade are just bitter!!!

London_Boro Posted on 17/11/2009 16:06
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"Having worked in Supermarkets for over a decade"


Them trollies won't collect themselves! [^][;)]

Manfriday Posted on 17/11/2009 16:08
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Believe me, if i had the choice i wouldnt take the kids shopping. They do my furking head in begging for sweets and magazines etc.... I certainly dont take them to show them off. Id leave them in the car but our lass wont let me

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 16:11
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We used to get left in the car all of the time, until the day when my Dad parked on a hill and I accidently knocked the handbrake off.

Fortunately the car in front stopped us rolling down the hill.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 16:11
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London Boro, happiest part of my working life, and when I am 60 I would be more than happy to go around collecting trolly's.


Still fools are fools, people think club cards are to their advantage and wonder when they have kids how Tesco' knows to send adverts to their houses for nappies.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 16:21
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"Thick kids, a fat girlfriend"

Jealousy's a terrible thing flaps. You need to let go and accept who you are. I'm being serious by the way.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:23
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And i'm being serious when I say your children are thick and your girlfriend is fat [^]

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 16:26
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"And i'm being serious when I say your children are thick and your girlfriend is fat"

Thats a bad effort, i know you can do better than that.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:27
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Well yes, but I dare say it would be wasted on you.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:28
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You're right though, I am jealous of your filthy sprogs with their learning difficulties and behavioural disorders.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 16:29
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Why don't you get one of those little yappy dogs? Might give you a little purpose in life?

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:29
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I prefer winding up thick doley breeders like your good self. Gets me through the day.

zoec Posted on 17/11/2009 16:31
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I used them when it made life easier to get the babyseat out of the back of the car. If supermarkets and shops wanted to make my life easier when I shopped there, thank you very much. Now he's almost 5 and can get out of the car by himself, I don't use them.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 16:37
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There's another thing, there is no evidence that child seats save lifes. Children (not babies) are as safe sat on the seat normally.


These marketing lads are good.

And I apologise for agreeing with Flar on this thread, he does spoil a good argument.

zoec Posted on 17/11/2009 16:40
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You're probably right, blot. Unfortunately, they're not optional.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 16:44
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I know, it helps them see better.

I do love marketing like, remember that Clayderman the piano lad who no one had heard of, sold trilions of LP's. (ahh, LP's another subject)

And Vim, they made the holes bigger so you would use more.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 17/11/2009 16:45
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"The note-writer is ignorant as well as cruel: a Blue Badge holder has the right to park in any space — even on yellow lines — by law"

I don't think this is true. I think only Emergency Services can. Two coffees and a blue rinse is not an emergency. Well, not to me.

zoec Posted on 17/11/2009 16:46
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The unfeasibly blond one? Yes, I do.

The most successful marketing con in the world has to be bottled water.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 16:48
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Which Coca Cola tried to improve on by using direct from the Thames. What was it going to be called? never lasted the weekends news reports.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:49
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Dasani.

They still sell it in the states.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 16:50
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Flaps it is more than a touch hypocritical that you accuse me of being arrogant and presumptuous and yet refuse to consider any viewpoint but your own and make huge presumptions about my children and their behaviour.

You fail to address the points defending the car parking spaces. My point as to convenience was simply that that is not my motivation for using or defending them.

The point is that there are good, justifiable reasons for having these spaces although I would have no problem in them being moved to anywhere in the car park. You singularly fail to make any sustainable counter argument to those fundamental points.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 16:50
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Flaps your right that is what it is called in the States, it is all you can buy in Disney. But I have a feeling they were going to call it something else... but, not sure.

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 16:51
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Even better than bottled water is Skinny Water. One of my mates gets really irate about that stuff.

TheBoy007 Posted on 17/11/2009 16:51
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"I prefer winding up thick doley breeders like your good self. Gets me through the day."

You couldn't wind a watch up![:D]

You do make me laugh though, i'll give you that[:P]

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:52
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I'm pretty sure it was Dasani here too. They did sell it here for a while.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 16:53
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Adi, but there isn't, it was a ploy to get you to buy more.

Do what people have done for decades, carry them or hold their hands with the little sods, it even helps them to become more risk averse.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:53
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" and yet refuse to consider any viewpoint but your own".

I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. Trust me, I did consider your viewpoint and I've come to the conclusion that your opinions are wrong.

They're a marketing gimmick. Enjoy them while you fulfil the demographic they are intended for. Stop pretending they're for safety.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 16:58
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It's not an impression, it's exactly right. You still haven't come up with any real counter argument, instead you prefer to tell me that I am somehow pretending that they are for safety.

I'll repeat a question that you still haven't answered. If they weren't there, I wouldn't be too bothered. I could get on with it and am responsible enough to ensure my child's safety. However, those car parking spaces make that job easier. They just do. Given that, and given that it really doesn't make much of a difference to you one way or the other, I am struggling to see why you have such a problem with them and why the very mention of them on a thread like this (of which there have been many) comels you to start criticising others' children, parenting skills etc etc. It really is quite odd.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 16:59
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If you don't think they are for safety why do you keep going on about safety?

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 17:00
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It is, Adi, as we discussed what was probably hours ago, because some people cant stand to see someone else getting something that they dont.

The_same_as_before Posted on 17/11/2009 17:00
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flaps, I am ashamed to admit this, but sometimes your'e good.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 17:03
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"because some people cant stand to see someone else getting something that they dont."

I think people just like fairness and equality. Is that such a terrible thing to aspire to?

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 17:03
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I think we may be at cross purposes here flaps in retrospect.

I am making a distinction here between what motivates the shops to put the spaces there, which is probably not safety related I agree, and the reason that I feel they are beneficial and the reason that I use them.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 17:05
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I'm not suggesting you don't find them beneficial. Of course you do.

If I had my own special parking space I'd find it beneficial also.

Piggy Posted on 17/11/2009 17:06
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I'd like to see fairness and equality shown to anyone who aspires to buying a goldfish. But lifes not like that I'm afraid. Only those who can afford filtered tanks are granted that opportunity.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 17:07
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Good, then we're in agreement.

Adi_Dem Posted on 17/11/2009 17:07
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A system open to abuse that though Piggy. Pets at Home never carry out any due diligence.

flaps Posted on 17/11/2009 17:26
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"I'd like to see fairness and equality shown to anyone who aspires to buying a goldfish. But lifes not like that I'm afraid. Only those who can afford filtered tanks are granted that opportunity."

Well it's not quite the same. Everyone is required to demonstrate the same level of care to the animals they buy.

It would be similar were a certain section of society allowed to buy fish at pets at home without needing a filter.

ridsdale Posted on 17/11/2009 17:30
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What did you name your fish then Piggy?


I will be disappointed if they are just, fish1, fish2 etc.

WillMunny Posted on 17/11/2009 18:04
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"Marlon who'll be paying for your Pension, public service's, free bus pass, Hospitals, nurseing home, Police/Fire Force ect when you retire? My fcuking kids, thats who!"

'I really cant see why people have a problem with parent and child parking bays. But the above statement is so ignorant it is ridiculous.'

Why is it? Its true. Also who'll be looking after you in your old age? Who'll be the dr's, nurse's, Police officers, service sector workers of the future? Todays kids thats who. "

Because it is lazy logic and it's the root cause of this entire 'entitlement' argument that can't be won but just goes round and round based on self interest. For example;

Why will your fcuking kids be paying for my old age? If they are paying for me, which is nice by the way, then who the hell is gonna pay for you?

And damn right that they should pay for my old age anyway, as I am gonna have to pay for them to go to school. They will owe me big time!

Of course the above points are stupid, but here is one that isn't - why do you assume that old people stop paying tax in old age? If anything, childless people generally have more assets in old age because they've been able to save, which means that they continue to pay lots of tax, often including a big fat Inheritance Tax bill.