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MightyDuck Posted on 10/11/2009 10:04
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needs a slap

mickbrown Posted on 10/11/2009 10:08
That woman griefing Gordon Brown

Did she tape her conversation with him?

How come it's in the public domain?

flar Posted on 10/11/2009 10:09
That woman griefing Gordon Brown

I dont understand why she had to go to the papers?

The things people will do for their 15 mins of fame!

mickbrown Posted on 10/11/2009 10:10
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IS that what she's done? Has she taped it and gone to the papers with it?

wokingmassive Posted on 10/11/2009 10:12
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So its nothing to do with Gordon getting her sons name wrong when he read it out in the house of commons? Or writing a letter to her which looks like a 4 year old wrote?

mickbrown Posted on 10/11/2009 10:13
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That's not what I asked.

Has she gone to the press with a recording of a private phone call?

flar Posted on 10/11/2009 10:13
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why does she have to go to the papers? It woudlnt be my first reaction!

speckyget Posted on 10/11/2009 10:14
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woking, you're not seriously setting yourself up as some sort of guardian of the written word are you?

mickbrown Posted on 10/11/2009 10:15
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[ref]specky

borolad259 Posted on 10/11/2009 10:17
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[:D]

Piggy Posted on 10/11/2009 10:18
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Grieving mothers should be cut a bit of slack, its not necessarily the time for rational or considered behaviour.

zoec Posted on 10/11/2009 10:20
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Her actions do seem a little....odd. I don't think I'd be rushing to the Sun every 5 minutes in the way she has.

After all, if you go the Sun, you run the risk of your words being copied and pasted on here....

flar Posted on 10/11/2009 10:20
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what happened to the stiff upper lip? Do you grieving in private rather than parading yourself in the papers.


Holgatewall Posted on 10/11/2009 10:24
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She taped the conversation and let the sun have it.

Not exactly the actions of a grieving mother. You would have thought she would have more to worry about than running to the papers because brown spelled her sons name wrong.

wokingmassive Posted on 10/11/2009 10:25
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Yea she has no right to be angry at all - I mean it was only her son who died due to helicopter shortages like.


Manfriday Posted on 10/11/2009 10:32
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To be fair to gorgon her sons name must be quite hard to remember as she seems to have had it tattooed on the outside of her hand so she remembers it. Typical chav tattoo

mcyates Posted on 10/11/2009 10:34
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Ho cares about spelings I make spelling mitsakes al the tarm. Doesn't make me a bda person!

wokingmassive Posted on 10/11/2009 10:36
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Well done guys - mocking a mother whose son died defending this country.

Your parents must be well proud of you.

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Holgatewall Posted on 10/11/2009 10:42
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certainly not mocking; just can't understand her action especially at this time in her life.

My heart goes out to all who have lost loved ones and most just accept condolences withour running to tawdry rags like the Sun.

She's probably not the first to have had her sons name mis-spelled.

At least she never just got a cold typed letter from some faceless beurocrat.

Manfriday Posted on 10/11/2009 10:42
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Well if she will run to a chip paper rag with private conversation recordings rather than grieve her son with the dignity he deserves.....

japsterboro Posted on 10/11/2009 10:43
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I dont think anyone is mocking her, just questioning her motives. The PM, love him or hate him was writing a letter to her and made a few spelling mistakes ... he is blind in one eye so maybe he should be cut a little slack?

I think her reaction is very rude and undignified ... i'm sure she was shocked but I'm also sure its not the first time its happened ...

MightyDuck Posted on 10/11/2009 10:44
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i'm not mocking her, she's just wrong.

Its not Gordon Browns fault her son chose to serve in the army where there is a massive risk of getting shot.

How many mothers of WW2 victims went to the papers slagging off Churchill?

mattrich Posted on 10/11/2009 10:50
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"That's not what I asked.

Has she gone to the press with a recording of a private phone call? "



After she took the letter to the right wing Sun newspaper they may have aided her in the event she would get a phone call from the PM, if you look at the transcript she doesn't look like she came up with some of them questions, maybe she had one of Murdochs advisors sat with her.


speckyget Posted on 10/11/2009 10:51
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Well done woking - scoring cheap political points using a mother whose son died defending this country.

Your parents must be well proud of you.

Kilburn Posted on 10/11/2009 11:06
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I feel sorry for her. She has allowed herself to be manipulated by the Sun, who have cynically taken advantage of her grieving emotional state to make her do something she will look back on in future years with bitter regret.

She has been turned into a weapon to further Murdoch's all out campaign to get the Tories elected.

The background of this is that he agreed to back the Tories after Cameron recently met with Murdoch and promised to reign back Ofcom if the Tories get into power.

Amongst other things, Ofcom have been ruling against SKY's charges for PPV to Virgin cable, forcing SKY to reduce supply charges. The knock on is likely to mean prices for SKY PPV customers coming down too. Good for the public, bad for Murdoch.

ABCD Posted on 10/11/2009 11:11
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So we are supposed to feel sorry for GB are we? This is the man who runs a country and is a renowned bully who is now being bullied.

He chose to write to this woman and for me all he had to do was ring her and guve an unreserved appology non of his usual well it wasbecause of this or that, just SORRY please accept it. She could then either accept or not bu no he has to waffle on and try to spin it.

No sympathy from he, the mans a complete fool devoid of any real sympathy or common sense the sooner he is consined to history scrap heap the better.

thearty Posted on 10/11/2009 11:19
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Let's hope The Sun spelled the name correctly on the cheque.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/11/2009 11:23
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I understand where she's coming from to a point, but she's took it too far now.. probably because as Kilburn says, she's been twisted into it.

The whole thing feels like a political smear effort rather then a womans grief.

thunderbird Posted on 10/11/2009 11:30
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According to BBC radio this morning Brown phoned her and she taped it.

Sold it to the Sun . wouldnt be surprised if the sun set it up.

Brown got it wrong , I dont think in a million years he meant to cause any offense, but she needs to get a grip and stop milking her sons death.

TheBoy007 Posted on 10/11/2009 11:33
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I want to know how much she's being paid. Thatchers Britain, obsessed with money.

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 11:48
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If this was some middle class mother, berating Brown over this war and the death of her son, and handing the tape over to the Guardian; I suspect some roles would be reversed on here.

No doubt if the Guardian had published such a phone call, the woman would be a brave hero and the Guardian would be lauded by those who are critical of the Sun.

Holgatewall Posted on 10/11/2009 11:58
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she is perfectly entitled to be upset and speak out against the war and the lack of provisions for our troops on the front line. This has been done many times already and I am sure there will unfortunatly be many more parents and loved ones criticisising the government over the war.

The point is not about the class of the woman concerned in this case or even the paper involved in running the story; it is about the way it has been handled and the fact that it has come into the public domain in this way.

Free speech is something we value in this country but sometimes stories like this just make you very sorry about the society we live in.

Fletch Posted on 10/11/2009 11:59
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It looks to me that both Gordon Brown & the greiving mother have been set up big style...

toxic_bob Posted on 10/11/2009 12:01
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If you sign up for the forces you get paid to fight the government's wars. You don't get to pick and choose the war or change your mind because the equipment is crap. It appears that the average Briton now needs a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in life. Unfortunately, if you invade people's countries, servicemen (and civilians) will end up being killed. It's omelettes and eggs.

Brown doesn't have a case to answer to the mother. He tried (albeit clumsily) to make a nice gesture, and is being crucified for it.


Kilburn Posted on 10/11/2009 12:06
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No, you're completely wrong Ridsdale. If it was the Guardian and some middle class woman, I for one would be being far more critical. Maybe I should and I'm being patronising by feeling sorry for her being manipulated.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 10/11/2009 12:09
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No wonder he's called 'Toxic_Bob'. I think soldiers do have a right to expect they will be equipped as well as the country can afford. Especially when the mission is to fulfil government foreign policy rather than the clear cut defence of our shores.

asredastheycome Posted on 10/11/2009 12:10
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ABCD .....I have heard Gordon Brown called many things but a "renowned bully". Nah

Doppelganger Posted on 10/11/2009 12:14
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I would hate to think what it must be like to lose a son or daughter in a pointless war, but the bottom line is that if people don't want to serve in pointless wars (which most are) then don't join up. Being a soldier is a job and being sent to some Godless place and fighting in a war that hardly anymore believes in is bound to happen at some point.
They are there to do their job, whether they like believe in it or not.
What do they expect when they join in the first place?

JonMc Posted on 10/11/2009 12:15
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British soldiers have never gone into a conflict well equipt if you compare us to the likes of the USA. There was lots of 'making do' in the Falklands but since we were winning that one it makes it more acceptable.

As far back as I can remember friends and family serving have said of the Yanks - all the gear and no idea.

Kilburn Posted on 10/11/2009 12:21
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On the subject of equipment the armed forces themselves seem immune to criticism, yet they are among the most well-funded on the planet. Only the USA and China spend more money in total on their armed forces each year than the UK. There have been countless stories about how inefficient and wasteful the military is when it comes to procurement, yet they always seem to deflect the blame onto the government for not giving them enough money.

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 12:23
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The vast majority who join the forces do so because there are few other opportunities where they live to gain skills and earn a living. Hence why areas like this provide the army with bodies.

They did not join up to give their lives in order to bring democracy to a backward nation who do not want it. They are entitled to our support and sympathy when their lives are wasted on some mad politicians adventure.

Those 'left' wing liberals who consider our troops as volunteer fodder as worse than the slave masters and tory hierarchy they so despise.

toxic_bob Posted on 10/11/2009 12:23
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Perhaps that came out harsher than I intended Dan, but I really do find the opportunism of the Sun pretty repulsive. I also think that rather than demanding there be an infinite number of helicopters so that we can complete the mission (whatever that is) without casualties (at least to our boys), we'd be better questioning what the f*ck we're doing there in the first place.

Sitrep Posted on 10/11/2009 12:28
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Procurement is surly down to the Civil service mandarins, the armed forces most have a input as to what they require, but the quality of what they receive is out of their hands, so, it’s down to the government of the day.

ABCD Posted on 10/11/2009 12:42
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from polly's lot

And labours own website
"Behind these violent and ugly displays of rank bullying lies a profound irony which exposes the true pusillanimous nature of New Labour and its prime architect. In their analysis of the party's electoral failure the high priests of New Labour identified party indiscipline as a root cause.'"

And

http://www.personneltoday.com/blogs/human-resources-news/2009/04/gordon-brown-bullyboy-tactics.html


Link: link

MightyDuck Posted on 10/11/2009 13:30
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i think the row over having the right equipment is massively flawed. How can you equip against a suicide bomber or a traitor turning a gun on you. Its a war zone, you know if you get injured an ambulance isnt going to pick you up and take you to north tees.

jam69 Posted on 10/11/2009 14:47
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whilst he should have got the lads name right,he cant do right for doing wrong,most PMs dont take the trouble to write a letter.next time he will have a press aide knock one up and be slagged off for such an cold response.

ABCD Posted on 10/11/2009 15:13
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Thatcher wrote to every family that lost someone during the falklands. Bliar no one, i at least give Brown credit for writing.

jam69 Posted on 10/11/2009 16:00
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anyway maybe now aint the best time to be scoring points, i hope that the family of the boy find some peace in what must be an awful time for them and many other families across the uk

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 10/11/2009 16:17
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'Grieving mothers should be cut a bit of slack, its not necessarily the time for rational or considered behaviour.'

Agreed. Instead she's been used by the poison that is the UK's press.

Kilburn Posted on 10/11/2009 16:35
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ABCD - ironic you calling Blair 'Bliar', while telling a porky of your own.

Blair sent handwritten letters , as did Major and Thatcher before him. It was James Callaghan who initiated the tradition of the PM hand writing personally to all next-of kin of fallen servicemen, not surprisingly given that he was the last PM to have seen active service in the military.

MightyDuck Posted on 10/11/2009 16:40
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id be suprised if the US presidents wrote heart felt letters. i would imagine their letters are wrote for them by some PR people

dixieland Posted on 10/11/2009 16:47
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Regardless of whether she was right or wrong for taping the call from Brown, as a grieving Parent who feels injustice as she obviously does, Browns attitude and arrogance to the bigger picture knows no bounds. If our Boys are dieing out there due to lack of equipment, then the Government should hang their heads in shame, but unfortunately, in this modern selfish world we live in, I doubt Brown or any other leading Politician will not give a toss about the pain this poor woman, or any other grieving parent must be feeling.

MightyDuck Posted on 10/11/2009 16:51
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i dont think they are dying due to lack of equipment, i think its more to do with the opposition shooting at them and bombing them.

I do feel for the woman but she's gone too far.

Would anyone know the crack if Brown hadnt took the time to write to her?

-HolgateHero- Posted on 10/11/2009 16:57
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Ye cannae beat ratso ridsdale rattling on with some crap about lefty liberals and the middle classes yet again [^]

the daft sex pest [rle]

susy Posted on 10/11/2009 17:30
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Right just stop a minute!


















This grieving mother has pointed out what the top dogs in the armed forces have been saying for quite some time, that the equipment they have is lacking. She is being heard and because of her going to the Sun it is going to be investigated and GB is going to look at the circumstances of his death. If this saves another soldiers life then I for one congratulate her.

What she sees is an injustice, she was angry at her sons, I repeat her sons death. This is a totally normal part of grief. This was compounded by a scribbled illegible at times letter addressed incorrectly and it also had a school boy correction to her sons name. It is the anger from this that erupted her into action. If she gets some money from this this will in no way compensate her for losing her son, not even a bit! This mistake was insensitive when you need to be the most sensitive.

I still feel sorry for her and hope that her speaking out will finally be listened to and OUR troops might get some appropriate equipment.

shaunb86 Posted on 10/11/2009 17:36
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I agree with everything you have said there susy. However, I hope that if she has received any money for the tape or any interview then it goes to help the heroes. Fair play to Gordon for first sending the letter and then the phone call. Sometimes you can't do right for doing wrong. Also I am not surprised at all that its the sun running this story bearing in mind that they changed their political stance from labour to conservative about three weeks ago.

mickbrown Posted on 10/11/2009 17:45
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Susy - the way she's gone about it does her no favours at all.

susy Posted on 10/11/2009 17:46
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Yes I agree about it would be good if any money made from this did go to help the heroes. I thing GB cant do right for doing wrong.... I bet he proof reads every letter her writes in the future now though. This is a good thing, believe me, when you have a death like that im sure you dont need "well meaning" bollox like that diatribe she received!

susy Posted on 10/11/2009 17:48
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Mick, she doesnt care, im sure, she is grieving. I know there are many others out there who havnt gone on like this but I would imagine there are a fair few who are behind her, either with live children out there or one who came back in a box.

If it was the telegraph do you think more people would have sympathy?

Abel_Tasman Posted on 10/11/2009 17:49
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"I still feel sorry for her and hope that her speaking out (you forgot taping)) will finally be listened to and OUR troops might get some appropriate equipment"

If this is the way she has to go to get her "point" over, i.e go to the worst newspaper in the UK and take part in some cheap surreptitious recording exercise, then I dont see that as part of any kind of grieving behaviour. I think the majority of fair minded people believe that too.

It has the stench of political manipulation all over it in my opinion.

mickbrown Posted on 10/11/2009 17:51
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Doesn't matter which paper it is.

Fact is he wrote to her - he doesn't have to do that - in fact I bet no other British Pm has done that. He fecks up the spelling - honest mistake - rings her and she's there wiaitng with a recorder to ambush him? Poor fecker is damned if he doesn't damned if he does.

XXXXXX poor in my opinion.

susy Posted on 10/11/2009 17:53
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I agree with the political manipulation by the scummy Sun is appauling, I would imagine it was them who gave her the capability to record the phone call made by GB to her, in his effort to apologise.

I still think her motivation is massive anger because she is greiving and I certainly cant condemn her for that.

Abel_Tasman Posted on 10/11/2009 17:55
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Actually Mick I think the point has already been made that othjer PM's have written to grieving families personally including Blair and Thatch.

I wouldn't put it past the Sun (spit) wringing more political anti Brown capital out of this tomorrow. Lets just wait and see.

susy Posted on 10/11/2009 17:57
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Lots of past PM's have written to families with letters of condolence. It hasnt been mentioned about them before, maybe they either had it typed or just didnt make the mistakes GB has done.


mickbrown Posted on 10/11/2009 17:58
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I agree Susy

The Sun have used her grieve and the death of a young lad to score cheap political points.

Utter scumbags.

I'm sure she'll reflect on it one day and realise she's been shafted as much as Brown has been

Lol_Tb_xx Posted on 10/11/2009 18:00
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The whole thing is f**king disgusting. The woman is a vile c**t. Cashing in on your own sons death is just sick.

Bukowski Posted on 10/11/2009 18:03
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I can't believe there are some on here who believe her motivation is money.

Her whole world has been destroyed and she's trying to get back at the man/government she holds culpable.

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/11/2009 18:08
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"I can't believe there are some on here who believe her motivation is money.

Her whole world has been destroyed and she's trying to get back at the man she holds culpable."

Of course that's the reason, money has nothing to do with it. [:D]

Do you still believe in the Tooth Fairy? You seem very naive.

This woman is a low-life who is cheapening her own son's death for cash. Vile scum.

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 18:17
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Some sick and ignorant people on here.


Fair enough to criticise the Sun,although you would not feel the same if it was the Guardian.

However to abuse this mother, who will be grief stricken, is beyond the pale.

To call her 'vile scum' is disgusting.

I hope admin remember that Boro lads are out there and family visit this site.


Some of you SHOULD hang your heads in shame and think before posting.

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/11/2009 18:24
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"Some sick and ignorant people on here"

None more ignorant than ridsdale. I say it again, anyone (not just this woman) who seeks to profit from the death of a loved one is vile scum. If her son could see her now he would surely be just as disgusted with her.

Grief stricken my arse. If she had an ounce of respect for the sacrifice her son made she would be mourning in private, not laughing all the way to the bank.

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 18:26
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And you know it is for personal gain?


It is you who who is both ignorant and vile.

The_Dude Posted on 10/11/2009 18:29
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If mrs janes has trapped brown with a surreptitious recording of the call, then she is a complete hypocrite

Maybe she should have spent as much time trying to convince her son not to fight in a completely pointless war, for american congressmen, as she did trying to embarrass the PM

Sitrep Posted on 10/11/2009 18:30
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I believe she went to the Sun with the initial letter, so any manipulation by the Press was brought on herself.

she took a calculated act of taping a telephone conversation and the transcript turns up in the paper, bit conniving to say the least.

Over 400 families have handled their grief with a lot more dignity than this woman.

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 18:31
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So,the soldiers have more responsibility for this war than Brown does?


FFS.

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/11/2009 18:39
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"Over 400 families have handled their grief with a lot more dignity than this woman"

Exactly. The renowned board bigot ridsdale can splutter all he likes but he (just like this woman) hasn't got a moral leg to stand on.

Pathetic woman, pathetic press, the only person to come out with even a crumb of credibility from this sorry story is Brown.

As a soldier, her son embodied a great deal of the qualities that make me proud to be British. His mother is symptomatic of the vile cash-obsessed minority who are ruining our country for decent, normal people.

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 18:41
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How much cash did she get then?

mickbrown Posted on 10/11/2009 18:42
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We have some shítty newspapers over here, but there's only one rag that would stoop as low as this.

Wouldn't wipe my arse with it.

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/11/2009 18:48
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"How much cash did she get then?"

Doesn't matter if it was £1000 or £100000, still disgusting.

I would not prostitute a dead loved one for any amount of money, nor would any decent person.

Bukowski Posted on 10/11/2009 18:50
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Old Gregg - Do you have kids? I guess not.

To dismiss her grief and to suggest it's all about the money shows just what a misanthrope you are.

I'm quite cynical in my outlook but even I can see that this is more about her getting back at the government who took her son from her.

SplendidStuff Posted on 10/11/2009 18:52
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Bukowski, the government didn't take her son.

He had a choice and he had his family to help him make those choices. Joining the army becomes a sad realization for some unlucky soldiers.

As for the mother of course she is grieving, but saddening how she is going about it.


ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 18:53
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So oldgregg, you don't know. You are ignorant of the amount, if any. No surprise there then.

She doesn't sound a vile woman to me.


"Jacqui Janes gave an emotional interview tonight explaining that she accepted the Prime Minister’s apology over the misspelt letter of condolence sent to mark her son’s death.

The grieving mother, whose son was killed in Afghanistan, denied that she had been manipulated by the media but she admitted that she “felt sorry” for Gordon Brown as the controversy had spiralled out of control. She said she would take up the offer of a private meeting.

“I just feel like I’m being made to look like I’m trying to make Mr Brown look insensitive but I’m not,” she said. “I feel sorry for him - he has got a difficult job."


Mrs Janes said she had watched the Prime Minister’s press conference earlier today and welcomed his obvious contrition.

“He didn’t sound apologetic in the phone call,” she said. “Today he looked sincere, he looked humbled. . . I accept his apology.”

“Anybody that knows me knows that there’s no way that I can be manipulated by anyone,” she said. “I chose The Sun purely because it’s pro-Army, it’s not political. I have never voted. I’ve got no disrespect for Gordon Brown.”




SplendidStuff Posted on 10/11/2009 18:56
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She is having a go at government policy but has never voted.

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/11/2009 18:57
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"Old Gregg - Do you have kids? I guess not."

No I don't. If I did, I would certainly never think of profiting from their tragic deaths. Would you, if you have kids?

"To dismiss her grief and to suggest it's all about the money shows just what a misanthrope you are"

I didn't dismiss her grief, she did when she saw the pound signs flashing before her eyes. And do you understand the word "misanthrope"? This has nothing to do with her gender, if it had been the soldiers father cashing in on his death then I would consider him vile scum in exactly the same way.

How many times do I have to say it - I, and any other normal, decent human being would not seek to make money from the death of a loved one. Is it so difficult to understand? Or perhaps you disagree, maybe a death in the family to you is "a nice little earner" [rle]

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 18:59
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What money greggsy?

Was that her motive, or just a theory from an ignorant bigot?

Bukowski Posted on 10/11/2009 18:59
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Splendidstuff - I was talking about how she views the situation. Not particularly how I see it.

The government certainly isn't blameless though. Sending our underfunded armed forces into warzones.

footyteam Posted on 10/11/2009 19:00
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she was gonna go off it anyway

if she's received a typed letter she'd have gone off it.

brown has XXXXXX handwriting, so what.

he wrote the letter free hand

Bukowski Posted on 10/11/2009 19:03
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" And do you understand the word "misanthrope"? This has nothing to do with her gender, if it had been the soldiers father cashing in on his death then I would consider him vile scum in exactly the same way."



Old Gregg - Look up the word "misanthrope". It's YOU who obviously doesn't understand its meaning. It has fck all to do with gender.

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/11/2009 19:04
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"What money greggsy?

Was that her motive, or just a theory from an ignorant bigot?"

So you think she did this for free? Your posts often make you sound moronic, but never usually as stupid as this. Congratulations (I suppose).

And just because I called you a bigot, you don't have to call me one back. It's not a playground you know.

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 19:16
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She might have done it because she believed a helicopter could have saved the life of her son. There again, I am a moron and do not have your resources, although I do try to have compassion. You though are probably right and she is a vile woman as you said.

I wish I wasn't so stupid.



How much did she get paid again?

-HolgateHero- Posted on 10/11/2009 19:20
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you have to laugh at what a weasley pathetic hypocritical little schit ridsdale is [rle]

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 10/11/2009 19:20
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I read the letter in the Sun and I don't think he spelled his name wrong, it's just his terrible handwriting.

I think people should be dignified in grief, and certainly shouldn't let the sun turn it into a public slagging of labour.

In a few years she may look back and regret her actions.

-HolgateHero- Posted on 10/11/2009 19:23
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"I read the letter in the Sun and I don't think he spelled his name wrong, it's just his terrible handwriting. "

i think it was their surname he spelled incorrectly - he wrote "james" instead of "janes"

SplendidStuff Posted on 10/11/2009 19:24
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risdale.

The mother does not vote so its hypocritical in that sense for her to question government policy.

Fair enough she can grieve how she likes, i do feel sorry for her, but how has she come to the conclusion her son could have been saved in that particular situation by a helicopter?

I dont know the account leading up to what happened to him, but how does she know he would be alive today?

Surely every mother who has lost a son will question if it could have been prevented, and it could, by not being there in the first place and not joining up.



ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 19:24
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Remember Jennifer's ear......


Link: Guardian

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 19:30
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Splendid, apparently her son was bleeding heavily but alive. She believes that he stood a chance of surviving if a helicopter could have moved him quicker.

Like a lot of services families, she is asking for more money and resources for the forces if they are to stay in Afghanistan.

Personally, I think no amount of money will give us victory and we should get out.


She is not a vile woman though.

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/11/2009 19:30
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"you have to laugh at what a weasley pathetic hypocritical little schit ridsdale is[rle]"

Laugh, or cry [cr]

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 19:33
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By their friends..........

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/11/2009 19:33
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Bukowski - my apologies. I mixed up misanthrope and misogynist for some reason. You still haven't answered my question about whether you would see the death of a child, or other loved one, as a money maker rather than a tragedy.

Bukowski Posted on 10/11/2009 19:42
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I'm not even going to answer that Old Gregg. A pathetic question from somebody who only likes to view situations with a skewed viewpoint and in black and white.

She's at least highlighting the fact that our underfunded armed forces are sent into warzones on a budget which is resulting in unnecessary loss of life. In this case, it may well have resulted in her son dying.

The PM probably would have liked her to keep quiet as it doesn't reflect well on the government.

But she's rightly making it an issue. She's doing good.

Some_Strange_Gadgie Posted on 10/11/2009 19:42
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Do you actually know that she was paid or are you just assuming that she was?

Bukowski Posted on 10/11/2009 19:47
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He doesn't know at all and doesn't have a clue about her motives. However, he's already made his mind up that she's "vile scum".

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/11/2009 20:19
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"Do you actually know that she was paid or are you just assuming that she was?"

Of course, she's done it for free [rle]

Just like that lapdancer I saw in the paper the other week who had been getting nailed by Cristiano Ronaldo. I bet she never got a penny.

Some_Strange_Gadgie Posted on 10/11/2009 20:29
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So assuming then.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 10/11/2009 20:38
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The role of certain sections of the tabloids in this story absolutely disgusts me. Thankfully the BBC and ITV were able to put a clearer perspective on things, but clearly the damage has already been done to Mr Brown.

Obviously a woman who has lost her son in a a dubious war with questions still unannswered over the alleged lack of military back up, has a right to feel angry and to raise the matter at the top. Equally, the letter she received does appear to be written badly and includes an unfortunate spelling mistake.

But the manner in which some of the press has twisted this into somehow demonstrating that the Prime Minister of this country doesn't seem to care about the fallen is an absolute f*cking disgrace.

Even what ought to have remained a VERY private phone call to clear up the matter, (and one which the PM himself decided upon), has been reported in such a way that casts further shame on Mr Brown. A traversy, if you ask me.

Most people on here will know my political stance, and I was initially delighted that sections of the media are now supporting the Conservatives. But if THIS is how they wish to orchestrate and aid a Tory victory, then no, and NO again, I will NOT be happy for a Tory win largely helped by vicious and nasty articals like the ones this week.

For once, I am willing to stand by our PM on this matter. Shame on The Sun. In this weeks of all weeks, it ought to know better.

mickbrown Posted on 10/11/2009 20:40
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Very well put Guis.

ridsdale Posted on 10/11/2009 20:41
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You best get used to it GTR, it happened at the last election, by both sides, and will be worse next time round. Politics are dirtier than ever.

To be fair to this woman, she has apologised to Brown.

jam69 Posted on 10/11/2009 20:51
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well said GTR, i hate media bias in politics too, i would like to think the british public are bright enough to make their own mind up which party to vote for without some papers(whatever side of the fence they sit)hidden agenda,but sadly some people are taken in.

Gillandi Posted on 10/11/2009 20:52
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Hopefully the Sun will use the womans profile in a years time (and every year after that) when the Tories are in and even less money is being spent on defence and other peoples sons are still being killed.

darlonorth Posted on 10/11/2009 22:43
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The Sun newspaper is a disgrace. If there's one thing the scousers have got spot on its their opinion and boycot of that paper.

Its enough to make you vote Labour.

HolgateCorner Posted on 10/11/2009 22:47
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GTR - are you going to vote Labour then?

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 11/11/2009 07:46
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No.

MightyDuck Posted on 11/11/2009 08:42
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111. i've just hopped on 1 leg 3 times

number9point5 Posted on 11/11/2009 09:29
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112

Having served in the armed forces I find some people attitudes on here amazing.

I watched the Sky interview with this woman who has 5 generations of armed service in her family. Not once did she say she was doing this for money and to be honest it says more about the sewers for minds some people on here have than it does about her.

First off she is grieving mother who has lost her youngest son, rational thought does not come into and if you cannot grasp that then you are either one insensitive b'stard or plain thick. From what I have read he died due to not being evaqued by helicopter. Now I was shot in the chest 600km’s from a hospital and was evaqued by helicopter to hospital in 1979 so hence am able to write this.

The fact is that GB as Chancellor and as PM has tried to fight this war on the cheap even down to buying substandard ammunition that is loaded with poor cordite. When he spouts on TV that the soldiers do not buy their own equipment he is either lying or being miss-informed, both cases are unacceptable. If you ask a person to go to war on your behalf you have a MORAL responsibility to provide the BEST kit and reduce the risk where you can.

GB has failed to do this for the worst possible reason, MONEY and for me she is right to point this out.

number9point5 Posted on 11/11/2009 09:30
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"well said GTR, i hate media bias in politics too, i would like to think the british public are bright enough to make their own mind up which party to vote for without some papers(whatever side of the fence they sit)hidden agenda,but sadly some people are taken in."

PMSL coming from you[:D]

MightyDuck Posted on 11/11/2009 09:59
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9.5 - you're absolutley right. BUT, even if the army had all of the equipment necessary, people would surely still die.

TheBoy007 Posted on 11/11/2009 10:07
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Number9 a Helicopter was dispatched to him, the ladys beef with Helicopters is that there isn't enough there, which may be true, but the fact is a Helicopter was dispatched to him but he died because he recieved a mortal injury.

"Not once did she say she was doing this for money"

Well she's not going too is she. The fact that she recorded the phone conversation sets alarm bells ringing for me. Surely that was a private, most personal conversation? Sorry but if my son had died the last thing on my mind would be to record a phone conversation, especially one as personal as that.

darlonorth Posted on 11/11/2009 10:19
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On the politics show yesterday evening a Sun lawyer -when pushed- did admit money was changing hands for this story. When pushed further he went on to say it had been 'put into a fund for the soldiers family' or words to that effect.

darlonorth Posted on 11/11/2009 12:56
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The Sun also gets the name wrong. Wonder if they'll write her a hand written note to apologise.


Link: The Sun

Steer Posted on 11/11/2009 13:45
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If the scummy Sun newspaper had "Used" this grieving mother to directly hilight the lack of resources etc that the army has to deal with, then fine.

However, what they have done is use this grieving mother as part of their concerted afforts to humiliate Gordon Brown.

It was a handwriting error. That is all. Brown should have been more careful. However, I bet the whole Janes family get accidently called Jones ALL THE TIME. No one can seemingly spell my surname, and that is only 4 letter long. As has already been posted above, even the scumbag Sun newspaper called her Mrs Jones at one point.

Then, when Gordon Brown phones her up to make amends, she is all ready with recording equipment, so she can record her telecon with GB (without his permission)!! It's incredible.

Rather than the actions of a grieving mother, it seems that these are the actions of a person being manipulated by schemeing journalists, who have their own political agenda, and who could not care less for this woman or her son.

Zelig2 Posted on 11/11/2009 14:06
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She's a chav, no doubt she'll be telling her story to Jeremy Kyle & hello magazine as we speak.

jam69 Posted on 11/11/2009 14:15
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why psml number 9?i dont agree with your politics but reading your posts over the last few months id say at least you have taken the time to form your own judgement,its those sheep that read the front page of the sun/mirror/mail/guardian and vote with little or no knowledge of what they are voting for.papers no matter which party they favour shouldnt be able to elect govenments

number9point5 Posted on 11/11/2009 14:29
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its 9.5 number9 is someone else completely.

"i would like to think the british public are bright enough to make their own mind"

Is why I pmsl, why is the Sun the biggest selling paper in this country? Frankly because people can no longer think for themselves and the Sun/Mail/Mirror/Express/Star give them there opinions to adopt in nice little sound bite size chunks.

ridsdale Posted on 11/11/2009 15:57
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jam69. The more I read your posts, I realise you are a fascist. Hitler would have approved of your plan to allow only those who match your approval should be allowed he vote.

What next, the 'final solution' for those who read the wrong type of newspaper?

jam69 Posted on 11/11/2009 16:07
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sorry rids if my point has gone over your head, it dont matter which paper you read,its about making your own mind up,thats why i said despite the fact that i dont agree with people like number 9s political view at least he seems informed and has put over some decent points in the past, its the people who base their views on knee jerk headlines in the media i have no time for

ridsdale Posted on 11/11/2009 16:10
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"sorry rids if my point has gone over your head"

Would I be allowed to vote in your world then?


You strike me as a dangerous and stupid man.

-HolgateHero- Posted on 11/11/2009 16:10
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"its the people who base their views on knee jerk headlines in the media i have no time for"

like ridsdale you mean? [;)]

wokingmassive Posted on 11/11/2009 16:12
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number9point5 - That it a top post well done Sir.

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jam69 Posted on 11/11/2009 16:17
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of course you can rids, just think we would have better MPs if people put some thought into who they vote for

ridsdale Posted on 11/11/2009 16:20
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Nearly everyone who bothers to vote has put some thought into it.


It is foolish to underestimate the electorate. By doing so, you undermine democracy.

number9 Posted on 11/11/2009 21:05
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Now I don't normally comment on this type of thread even though I am mistaken for 9.5 on a regular basis.

If a person joins the armed forces then they should expect to be put in harm’s way that, said they should be equipped correctly.

What I find odd is people calling this poor woman all sorts for "selling her story" now I don't know if she has or has not and don't really care either way, but I am curious to and l have a question for all those who are "morally outraged" at this at this poor woman.

The question is will you be as "morally outraged" when tony Blair publishes his memoirs (which he is currently writing) which will no doubt contain the period covering Afghanistan, a war into which he led this country. Will you be "morally outraged" at him for “selling his story”? After all he will make Millions from this book and this poor woman will make a couple of grand at best. TB's sons did not fight in Afghanistan but this woman lost her son in a war he took us into. Tony Blair will make substantially more £'s than this poor soul.

I know where my sympathies lie.

wokingmassive Posted on 11/11/2009 21:17
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Tony Blair is a top of the pile cnut.

When the revolution comes - he is first against the wall.



(After the BeeGee's obviously)

1finny Posted on 11/11/2009 21:37
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Why does the army deserve to be equipped effectively?
In a perfect, money no object world, maybe.
Choices have to be made.
Schools
Medical service
Police............etc, etc.
It is unlikely you are able to adequately fund everything. Choices have to be made.
What should the priority be?

ridsdale Posted on 11/11/2009 21:43
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Very good point Number9.

Blair will make great profit from writing and speaking tours from this terrible mess he has put so many working class lads and lasses into.

SidSnot Posted on 11/11/2009 21:44
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Finny - choices do have to be made. Can I choose to give the army better equipment if they're being asked to fight instead of giving money to useless, laxy, fcuking chavs.

1finny Posted on 11/11/2009 21:45
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You sound incapable of being able to fasten your shoe laces let alone be in charge of allocating money.

ridsdale Posted on 11/11/2009 21:56
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finny- Oh dear another intellectual among our midst.

Disagree with them and you become a knuckle dragger.

Are you a very clever man finny?

SplendidStuff Posted on 11/11/2009 22:12
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The point is people are complaining soldiers are dying because of poor equipment and not enough helicopters.

Personally i don't know how many is enough, and i doubt this lads mother does.

ridsdale Posted on 11/11/2009 22:14
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Soldiers are being slaughtered because we are in a country that does not want us there.

ridsdale Posted on 11/11/2009 22:15
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Soldiers are being slaughtered because we are in a country that does not want us there.

zaphod Posted on 12/11/2009 02:43
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The point about equipping the forces properly is to enable them to win the fight & achieve the objectives set for them. It's generally reckoned to be immoral to go into a war you can't win & making the war unwinnable because of under-resourcing is equally immoral.

Old_Gregg Posted on 12/11/2009 02:56
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"On the politics show yesterday evening a Sun lawyer -when pushed- did admit money was changing hands for this story"

I await apologies from all those who criticised me for suggesting money was involved here. I won't hold my breath though [rle]