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Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 13:08
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REFUSING TO ENTER THE GROUND AT FALKIRK UNTIL AFTER THE MINUTES SILENCE..SCUM.

zorro_mfc Posted on 08/11/2009 13:12
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That is shameful and to think people want this scum in our league rangers are no better either mind.

RandyGrandad2 Posted on 08/11/2009 13:14
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That is shameful and to think people want this scum in our league rangers are no better either mind.

ERR Yes they are better than them parasites [rle]

qatarwatty Posted on 08/11/2009 13:17
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Where's this information from, a few of the Celtic lads here said if this is true it is a disgrace.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 08/11/2009 13:20
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No different from people refusing to wear a poppy, IMO

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 08/11/2009 13:22
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There was a load of Celtic Fans in the Ground before the minutes silence started.

Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 13:26
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that's a fair point and I will ammend that - those celtic fans that refused to enter the ground until after the minutes silence are scum - I did not mean ALL celtic supporters.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 08/11/2009 13:27
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Actually those who choose to stay outside an non observe the minutes silence I have no objection with, it's their beliefs. However they did more than that, they were booing outside.

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 13:28
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What about if those Celtic fans had family who were killed by the British Army in Ireland*?

Edited from Northern Ireland as the British Army killed plenty in the South over the years aswell

privatepile75 Posted on 08/11/2009 13:31
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link anyone?

zorro_mfc Posted on 08/11/2009 13:31
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Shameful. tows rethink what you have said and then come back when you have realised what day it is.

They should have refused entry to those not in for the kick off. Today is about honouring those who
have fallen on all sides in battle.

Holgate-Hero- Posted on 08/11/2009 13:33
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"No different from people refusing to wear a poppy, IMO"

really?

wed never have guessed it given the amount of times youve been blabbering on over the last week [rle]

Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 13:36
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towz - you might want to re think what you've posted as you are better than that.

privatepile75 Posted on 08/11/2009 13:38
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link please?

the bbc message board it wasn't a perfect minutes silence from some of the away support.

did they boo in the ground or outside or both?

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 13:38
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Doesn't make any difference what day it is, the point still stands. I suppose you'd expect Argentines, Germans, Iraqis or Afghans to wear a poppy aswell?

RandyGrandad2 Posted on 08/11/2009 13:42
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What a doyle [rle]

Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 13:42
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FFS TOWZ YOU REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT I HATE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY !!!! YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT WORTH IT.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 08/11/2009 13:43
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It says something about a person if they can't put aside differences for a day like today.

A Zorro said, this is a day to commemorate all those who died in battle not a celebration of British Imperialism.

I find views like Towz depressing.

jam69 Posted on 08/11/2009 13:43
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its their choice, dont agree with it.didnt see you posting about the scum rangers fans kicking off in europe this week though

RandyGrandad2 Posted on 08/11/2009 13:45
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Doesn't make any difference what day it is, the point still stands. I suppose you'd expect Argentines, Germans, Iraqis or Afghans to wear a poppy aswell?

I might be wrong but didnt the Iraqis benifit from us being their ? [rle]

And dont get me started on Germans

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 13:46
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1248: Anyway, to the football - and we're underway.

1246: Generally impeccably observed. Poor show from a section of the away support.

1244:We're nearly at kick-off in Falkirk. First, a minute's silence on Remembrance Sunday.

'Generally impeccably observed'.......

Not to ruin a good bashing thread of course.... As for waiting outside, why the hell shouldn't they, if they disagree with what the minutes silence is for??

Supposedly these people fought for freedom, well one choice we have in our society is political freedom, and the right to express that as we see fit.

Now ruining a minutes silence isn't the best way to express it (although I dare say the day Thatcher finally kicks it, there'll be plenty on here doing it) but standing outside is totally acceptable.

As somebody else said, there's a decent chance some of these people have had friends and family killed by the British army, as a high proportion of the Celtic fanbase is from Irish extraction over the generations or is Irish.

Really you have to expect some sort of beligerance from the minority.

As the bbc said however, it was generally impeccably observed.

Cmon the hoops.

zorro_mfc Posted on 08/11/2009 13:47
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Germans? Yes they were gutted we beat that lovely hitler bloke are you for real.

privatepile75 Posted on 08/11/2009 13:49
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where did the 'standing outside booing' information come from?

badger_627 Posted on 08/11/2009 13:50
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From the BBC live text

1248: Anyway, to the football - and we're underway.

1246: Generally impeccably observed. Poor show from a section of the away support.

1244:We're nearly at kick-off in Falkirk. First, a minute's silence on Remembrance Sunday.

Revol_Tees Posted on 08/11/2009 13:50
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"Today is about honouring those who
have fallen on all sides in battle."

Are you sure? Is the minute's silence for Taliban fighters as well then?

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 08/11/2009 13:51
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What about the Celtic supporting servicemen killed in WW1 & WW2? Or don`t they count?

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 13:52
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Stabilo, I think unfortunately to some it does come across as a celebration of military imperialism, and there needs to be more emphasis and definition of exactly what we are remembering.

I'm not particularly fond of the idea of honouring veterans of the Iraq / afghan wars to be honest.

Oh and yes, while Germans aren't exactly gutted that Hitler was removed, I hardly think you could expect them to honour a day of rememberence for the British armed forces. A thoroughly rediculous statement if ever there was one.

privatepile75 Posted on 08/11/2009 13:53
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if that's the only source, some people are better at reading between the lines than i am.

i would have thought they could stand quiet for one minute though, i would be able to manage it even if i dissagreed.

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 13:53
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I'm obviously talking about nations that have had people killed by the British Army. If some Celtic fans do not wish to partcipate in the rememberance for whatever reason that is their right and nobody should be calling them scum. I wouldn't wear a poppy myself as I don't like the jingoistic element of the day but I'll put money into charities for war veterans and such. I don't believe wars are necessary and particularly the first world war (which a large part of rememberance Sunday is all about, poppies being a reference to the fields of Flanders) was mechanised slaughter of the working class of Europe at the whim of the ruling elites

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 08/11/2009 13:56
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"I'm not particularly fond of the idea of honouring veterans of the Iraq / afghan wars to be honest."

What an absolute fu(king cop out. People like you make me sick.

Soldiers don`t pick who and where they fight thats done by the people we elect to Parliament.

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 13:57
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"Soldiers don`t pick who and where they fight thats done by the people we elect to Parliament"

You mean Exxonmobil?

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 13:59
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Yes well soldiers DO choose whether to enrol or not, as last I checked, conscription and military service no longer apply in this country.

People like you, who clearly long for another war, to display their patriotism for queen and country make me sick. Get a life.

Or better still, if you feel so strongly about it, why not join up yourself and put yourself in the firing line? Seeing as you love 'our braves lads and lasses' so much, fighting another illegal war....

Towz - spot on.

privatepile75 Posted on 08/11/2009 14:03
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this thread is not about the legality of entering iraq/afghanistan.

but seems you've started,illegal war or not, if you speak to the majority of afghans living in their own country they want the taliban out and are thankful for the british servicemen.

been there and done it.

zorro_mfc Posted on 08/11/2009 14:03
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Borocelt that pathetic last post coupled with your user name has just confirmed the whole point of this thread you are a disgrace and if you hate this nation so much why do you stay or support a team in it. Shame on you.

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 14:06
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Hating militarism and hating this country are too completely different things and nowhere has Borocelt suggested he hates this country. Anyway go and wave your union jacks or whatever

Holgate-Hero- Posted on 08/11/2009 14:07
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"Borocelt that pathetic last post coupled with your user name has just confirmed the whole point of this thread you are a disgrace and if you hate this nation so much why do you stay or support a team in it. Shame on you."

and if you dont like someone exercising their right to freedom of speech no matter how distasteful their comments may be then why dont you fukk off to somewhere that restricts that right? [rle]

Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 14:07
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UNFORTUNATELY TOWZ THE MEN IN THE TRENCHES ( PROBARBLY MINE AND YOUR FAMILIES ) HAD NO CHOICE AS THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT IF THEY REFUSED TO FIGHT. IT IS BECAUSE OF THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO REMEMBER THEM TODAY THAT WE OBSERVE THE MINUTES SILENCE. LIKE I SAID YOU ARE NOT WORTH IT.

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 14:08
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Zorro, you and muppets like you should run along and get yourselves a better education, because if you cannot see that one of the founding principles of this nation, under a democratically elected government, is the right to freedom of expression and speech, yet you and your fellow morons would happily take it away from others because you happen to not agree with it?

Shame on me? Shame on your lack of common sense.

Oh and sorry to XXXXXX on your parade, but I have been wearing a poppy this week to commemorate those who died in vain in WWI and those who fought fascism in WWII.

Perhaps those who died fighting fascism in WWII would be ashamed of morons like you, who would happily take peoples right to express themselves away? Perhaps we should just 'send them home' ey?

Happy Posted on 08/11/2009 14:09
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So hitler wouldnt have invaded scotland or ireland if it wasnt for those brave british people who defied him.
had Britain fallen then the USA wouldnt have entered the war against hitler - he'd have gone fora pact with them to fight communism.

so those brave celtic fans who boo a minutes silence clearly wanted to be under the nazi jackboot - SCUM

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 14:09
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"UNFORTUNATELY TOWZ THE MEN IN THE TRENCHES ( PROBARBLY MINE AND YOUR FAMILIES ) HAD NO CHOICE AS THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT IF THEY REFUSED TO FIGHT. IT IS BECAUSE OF THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO REMEMBER THEM TODAY THAT WE OBSERVE THE MINUTES SILENCE. LIKE I SAID YOU ARE NOT WORTH IT.IT IS BECAUSE OF THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO REMEMBER THEM TODAY THAT WE OBSERVE THE MINUTES SILENCE. LIKE I SAID YOU ARE NOT WORTH IT."

Exactly why I detest this day. The lads in the trenches (on both sides) should have shot their fukkin officers instead and had a game of football then fukked of to the nearest pub

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 08/11/2009 14:10
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"Yes well soldiers DO choose whether to enrol or not, as last I checked, conscription and military service no longer apply in this country"

The people who your fenians are abstaining from recognising weren`t given the option though were they?

Last time I checked they didn`t tell you where you would be deployed when you signed up. Some people in this country have very limited opportunities and the armed forces are there best way to learn a trade or get an education.

Or are you still using the idea of psychopaths joining up to fire some guns.

"People like you, who clearly long for another war, to display their patriotism for queen and country make me sick. Get a life"

I don`t want this one. However I respect every service person who goes to fight under orders. What nI wouldn`t advocate though is people stopping joining up. If a 17 year old kisd who wants to join up to be an aircraft engineer how long do you advise he waits? Till he`s 28?

"Or better still, if you feel so strongly about it, why not join up yourself and put yourself in the firing line? Seeing as you love 'our braves lads and lasses' so much, fighting another illegal war...."

Too old.




zorro_mfc Posted on 08/11/2009 14:11
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Hh not sure what your point is where have I challenged his right to free speech I am just asking a question why some one who seems to hate this nation so much is still residing in it. He can say what HE likes but he is also free to leave anytime he wishes as well.

privatepile75 Posted on 08/11/2009 14:11
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send who home? it was celtic fans in scotland.

are you making this a thread against foreingners now?

Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 14:19
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TOWZ YOU NEED TO LOOK UP AND DIGEST WHAT REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY IS ALL ABOUT - WHEN YOU'VE DONE THAT YOU CAN START A NEW THREAD ABOUT IMPERIALISM AND I MIGHT EVEN AGREE WITH YOU ON SOME OF IT. BUT WHILST YOU ARE POSTING ON THIS THREAD IT WOULD BE AS WELL TO GET YOURSELF EDUCATED ON THE REASONS AND HISTORY OF ARMISTACE DAY.

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 14:19
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" So hitler wouldnt have invaded scotland or ireland if it wasnt for those brave british people who defied him.
had Britain fallen then the USA wouldnt have entered the war against hitler - he'd have gone fora pact with them to fight communism.

so those brave celtic fans who boo a minutes silence clearly wanted to be under the nazi jackboot - SCUM"


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Go and read a history book son. There's so many flaws in such a short post, I don't even know where to start. What a grade a prat.

Rodney, if in some way you're trying to portray that Celtic fans are disrespecting the memory of WWI and WWII vets, then you're missing the point entirely.

Any dissident voices will be due to the actions of the British Army in Ireland over the years, particularly at the beginning of the 20th century. It has stuff all to do with the conscripted masses of WWI and veterans of fighting fascism in WWII.

I'm sure you fine well know that Celtic fans are, by and large, left wing and strongly anti fascist (unlike their repugnant neighbours from across the city), so if you're trying to smear them as somehow pro nazi by disrespecting their right to freedom of speech, and taking out of context the actions of a few, then you're seriously misguided. I think you could do with trying to understand the context some will look at displays like these, following years of oppression at the hands of British forces.....

boringblock_21 Posted on 08/11/2009 14:20
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"Yes well soldiers DO choose whether to enrol or not". -Yes but they don't choose where to fight.

"People like you, who clearly long for another war, to display their patriotism for queen and country make me sick." -I don't think anybody longs for more war and loss of life. Silly statement really.

"Or better still, if you feel so strongly about it, why not join up yourself and put yourself in the firing line? Seeing as you love 'our braves lads and lasses' so much, fighting another illegal war....".- He respects what they do. Doesn't mean he would want to do it. I respect hard grafting Builders but I wouldn't want to be one.



Gordon Brown: "Errr... Okay... I think I've made a decision that will benefit the country and save our economy a few bob. I'm going to disband our armed forces".

Imagine the devastating consequences if this ever happened. I respect those who have lost their lives fighting for a good cause, peace.

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 14:22
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"Hh not sure what your point is where have I challenged his right to free speech I am just asking a question why some one who seems to hate this nation so much is still residing in it. He can say what HE likes but he is also free to leave anytime he wishes as well. "

Are you Nick Griffin?

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 08/11/2009 14:22
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Quote Towz

I wouldn't wear a poppy myself as I don't like the jingoistic element of the day

Unquote

That statement perfectly illustrates your lack of understanding of what remembrance day is all about,
It's about solemn reflection, respect, pride and remembrance and there is no jingoism whatsoever in any of it.


Rodney_Trotter Posted on 08/11/2009 14:23
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"Rodney, if in some way you're trying to portray that Celtic fans are disrespecting the memory of WWI and WWII vets, then you're missing the point entirely."

Some way? That is entirely what they are doing. Make no mistake about it and don`t try and excuse their actions.

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 14:24
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No they're not, you utter prat.

boringblock_21 Posted on 08/11/2009 14:24
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Borocelt: ""Soldiers don`t pick who and where they fight thats done by the people we elect to Parliament"

You mean Exxonmobil?"

I hardly think the average squaddie is in the job so that the country can have some cheaper petrol.

zorro_mfc Posted on 08/11/2009 14:28
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Yes I'm nick griffin for refusing to make the act of remembering those lost lives in battle on all sides a political debate on a day of remeberance and contemplation

a new low for this board

lest we forget

Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 14:28
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alway's makes me laugh when you get the biggots from celtic or rangers coming on with there vitriolic bile. All they can see is there own version of events. They are both as bad as each other but both maintain in their own minds that they are the ones with the just cause. Unfortunately people like borocelt are just too far infected with this to ever take a step back and see things with a moderate impartial view. In truth you have to feel sorry for them and lay the blame with their parents.

Holgate-Hero- Posted on 08/11/2009 14:30
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i guess the irony of your comments will be lost on you peachy [rle]

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 14:33
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"Yes I'm nick griffin for refusing to make the act of remembering those lost lives in battle on all sides a political debate on a day of remeberance and contemplation

a new low for this board

lest we forget"

Mr Griffin has actually been in the news recently, due to highjacking the image of Mr Churchill to further his parties own far right agenda.

Keep up would you.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 08/11/2009 14:34
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Put whatever spin you want on it Borocelt.

With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.

Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.

They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.

But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;

As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 14:35
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"alway's makes me laugh when you get the biggots from celtic or rangers coming on with there vitriolic bile. All they can see is there own version of events. They are both as bad as each other but both maintain in their own minds that they are the ones with the just cause. Unfortunately people like borocelt are just too far infected with this to ever take a step back and see things with a moderate impartial view. In truth you have to feel sorry for them and lay the blame with their parents."

Have you actually properly read any of my responces?

Or are you too busy trying to deny the freedom of speach?

bigjeans Posted on 08/11/2009 14:39
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i suppose everything will be well mr boro idiot when the irish tricolor is flying above downing street alonmgside the flag of islam you are as bad as anjem choudry

red_shamrock Posted on 08/11/2009 14:41
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Why did the original poster put this thread up..another trouble causer and it entices every bigot on the board.[rle]

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 14:41
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Rodney, romantic pap

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 14:42
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I wouldn't waste your energy on these bigots Borocelt they only see black and white

red_shamrock Posted on 08/11/2009 14:44
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The BBC dictates how they think and how they feel Towz, it always has and always will.

Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 14:47
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sorry holgate but I'm not the one 'shoehorning ' margaret thatcher, nick griffin and Rangers f.c into a thread about remembrance sunday. Think about it.


boro_exile Posted on 08/11/2009 14:48
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take a step back from your bickering and read the words on this link. remember this day


Link: we will remember them

Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 14:51
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Yes I could have ignored it or sidestepped a difficult subject the same way the BBC did. Bit to close to the bone for you red shamrock ?

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 08/11/2009 14:53
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I have no problem with anyone exercising their right to an opinion - but equally we have a right to argue against it. Nor do I agree with the apparent compulsion of public figures to wear poppies around this time. If it's not personal choice then the sentiment is diluted in my opinion.

"Any dissident voices will be due to the actions of the British Army in Ireland over the years, particularly at the beginning of the 20th century. It has stuff all to do with the conscripted masses of WWI and veterans of fighting fascism in WWII"

Their protest may have stuff all to do with WWI/II veterans but for the majority of those respecting the silence, that's exactly what it's about - and by association any demonstration is viewed in this context.

I respect the complex views of those who've lost family on both sides of the NI conflict but this is not an issue of overarching institutions and what they may or may not stand for. It's being able to separate those concepts from the individuals who lost their lives as a result.

If you can't do that, then I find it sad. But I will always agree you have a right to that view.

Borocelt Posted on 08/11/2009 14:56
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"sorry holgate but I'm not the one 'shoehorning ' margaret thatcher, nick griffin and Rangers f.c into a thread about remembrance sunday. Think about it."

Title of thread?????

If you actually read some of my responses properly, you might learn something.

Instead of just picking the bits to persue your own bigotted agenda.

red_shamrock Posted on 08/11/2009 14:57
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Not at all, a few Celtic supporters with a idiotic way of going on.

Hardly worth yourself getting all worked up about and a stupid way to generalise every Celtic supporter "again".

Leave it alone especially today.

privatepile75 Posted on 08/11/2009 14:58
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'Leave it alone especially today.'

fair point[^]

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 14:59
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[rle]who gives a toss what some gormless irish/scotch paddy religious dickheads do or dont do

XXXXXX em

Peachy Posted on 08/11/2009 15:03
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shamrock - I specifically said that I do not class all celtic fans as scum only the ones who booed from the concourse which apparently was a sizeable minority. It seems to be that you would like to sweep this under the carpet and pretend it didn't happen.

borotmt Posted on 08/11/2009 15:04
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in the end people put their own thoughts into remembrance, for me it is about people like the young welsh soldier whos mother was interviewed this morning,just such a waste of young lives.
Some Wars are just some are not, for me its a day to remember and to think.
For anyone, of any political slant to want to make a political point today is beneath contempt.

Revol_Tees Posted on 08/11/2009 15:05
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F.A.O. Peachy, Rodney, Grumpy Paul.

Here are a few reasons why you should begrudgingly respect people's right to disagree with the official commemoration and let people reflect (or not) in their own way:

1. The Service of Remembrance is about remembering British and Commonwealth/imperial contributions to conflicts -- not "the fallen" of all sides in all wars. This is a fact, according to the official definition.

2. The poppy appeal is led by the Royal British Legion, which is explicitly political in its ties to the British establishment.

3. The official celebrations glorify war, referring to the "glorious dead" and sometimes even to "the Glorious War" to describe WWI -- which was anything but glorious.

4. The poppy appeal itself was set up by General Hague, whose role in instigating pointless bloodshed has gone down in history. Poppies used to be inscribed with the word "HAGUE" -- a bit like issuing Holocaust memorial badges inscribed with the word "HIMMLER"

5. The poppy itself is a very specific symbol, relating directly to somewhat pro-war, patriotic poem, Flanders Fields: "Take up our quarrel with the foe... you from failing hands we throw; The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die, We shall not sleep, though poppies grow..."

Personally I have no objection to people wearing the poppy and observing the silence for their own reasons, but not the above.

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 15:09
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[V]they sing irish song all the way through the minutes silence, which sky tv turned off


Link: celtic scum

ridsdale Posted on 08/11/2009 15:10
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I dare say the middle class liberals who are supporting the booing of the minutes silence are the same ones who come on here crying when England fans sing '10 RAF bombers' and demand that WWII is old history.

red_shamrock Posted on 08/11/2009 15:15
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Well it is a discrace, a few idiots but ignore the fools.

ridsdale Posted on 08/11/2009 15:15
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Do remember Revol that the British army were a sort of official anti-fascist league and saved the world from the nazis.


towz Posted on 08/11/2009 15:16
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The Dude, you're a bigot

red_shamrock Posted on 08/11/2009 15:17
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Lots of Irish in the British Army.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 08/11/2009 15:18
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The Scots lost more men, proportionally, than any other Allied country.

Nice GLASGOW Celtic fans. [^]

red_shamrock Posted on 08/11/2009 15:19
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Wouldnt say it was them all Rodney.

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 15:21
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"I dare say the middle class liberals who are supporting the booing of the minutes silence are the same ones who come on here crying when England fans sing '10 RAF bombers' and demand that WWII is old history"

Thought it was 10 german bombers. And that song makes me cringe so much it's unreal

borotmt Posted on 08/11/2009 15:21
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Drunken no mark young dickheads with a twisted view of whats right or wrong,no change their then.
The sound of the Boos after the whistle was very telling

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 15:26
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explain how i'm a bigot

Holgate-Hero- Posted on 08/11/2009 15:27
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[:D]

i love it when ratso starts rattling on about the "middle class liberals"

silly bugger!

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 15:31
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i just cant stand this rangers and celtic religious XXXXXXe, and if i want to comment why i think scottish celtic fans are XXXXXXing gormless and stupid for singing irish songs and direspecting people who died for them in world wars i will

tosspot

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 15:31
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"who gives a toss what some gormless irish/scotch paddy religious dickheads do or dont do

XXXXXX em"

Sounds pretty bigoted to me

red_shamrock Posted on 08/11/2009 15:33
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Hes not Bigoted he hates everyone the same[:D]

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 15:33
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what, are you suggesting that the people who did sing that song were not gormless, religious, and scotch/irish?



Holgate-Hero- Posted on 08/11/2009 15:34
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"who gives a toss what some gormless irish/scotch paddy religious dickheads do or dont do"

you clearly do seeing as youre contributing to this thread [rle]

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 08/11/2009 15:34
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Any Brit who disrespects today and the 11th are XXXXXXing XXXXXXers.

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 15:34
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And have you even bothered to read this thread or investigate why some Celtic fans do not wish to observe the minutes silence rather than just calling them scum?

Towell Posted on 08/11/2009 15:36
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Margaret Freyer was living in Dresden during the firestorm created on 13th February, 1945.

The firestorm is incredible, there are calls for help and screams from somewhere but all around is one single inferno.

To my left I suddenly see a woman. I can see her to this day and shall never forget it. She carries a bundle in her arms. It is a baby. She runs, she falls, and the child flies in an arc into the fire.

Suddenly, I saw people again, right in front of me. They scream and gesticulate with their hands, and then - to my utter horror and amazement - I see how one after the other they simply seem to let themselves drop to the ground. (Today I know that these unfortunate people were the victims of lack of oxygen). They fainted and then burnt to cinders.

Insane fear grips me and from then on I repeat one simple sentence to myself continuously: "I don't want to burn to death". I do not know how many people I fell over. I know only one thing: that I must not burn.

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 15:36
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[rle]i don't need to, they act like pillocks everytime something historically english comes up, celtic are the antithesis of rangers who are equally as biggoted and just spout any old XXXXXXe they can just to upset there blue neighbours

there is no place for that XXXXXXe in football, they are a scottish club, not an irish one, they represent glasgow, celtic wouldnt even exist if it wasnt for british soldiers, stop defending the undefensible

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 15:38
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The glory of war

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 08/11/2009 15:39
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War is terrible, the Germans flatten cov so we flattened Dresden.

red_shamrock Posted on 08/11/2009 15:41
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Seems to me anything with the post CELTIC.....gets lots of replies.


Go on you know you want to hit 100[rle]

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 15:48
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"i don't need to"

A narrow-mided bigot, the best type. you sure you don't support Rangers?

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 15:50
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[rle]there is certanly no glory in war, nor is there in cowardly blowing up civilians and kids with bombs in supermarkets but it doesnt stop celtic singing about it and how great the IRA are

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 15:51
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[rle]no, but ive got a funny feeling you support celtic

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 15:53
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I don't think anybody condones that. That's why I have a problem with this day. It should be about remembering all the dead of war on all sides and a determination to stop this insanity from ever happening again. Towell's post is a poignant reminder of what war is really about, there is no good or glory in it

Holgate-Hero- Posted on 08/11/2009 15:54
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and hes still here despite apparently asking why people care about this!

unbelievable

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 15:55
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[rle]like i said holgate, all you do is post XXXXXXe about me instead of adding anything to the conversation

total and utter bore

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 15:58
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[rle]what are you saying towz, the 3 thousand celtic fans at the falkirk match all had family murdered by the brits in ireland, theres been more irish killed by the IRA than the british soldiers could ever do

jesus wept, you dont here english football teams singing songs about our troops blowing kids up etc, cos there football teams and not bigots who obsess with religion

Holgate-Hero- Posted on 08/11/2009 16:00
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a bit like you then the_dud you angry vile little schit who has issues with anyone who decides to discuss a topic that you dont like

chorleyphil Posted on 08/11/2009 16:01
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Too much overanalysis regarding something that happens no different every year.

Actually, I believed the whole event is now being overplayed and I am sure we can expect thought police involvement on this subject.

Simple. Buy a poppy or dont, but FFS!!

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 16:01
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You're an idiot mate. You mixing up religion, nationality, history and just about everything else. There's no point trying to explain anything to people like you. Just carry on hating what you don't understand

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 16:03
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[rle]really, so what are you suggesting, i should applaud celtic fans for disrespecting the soldiers who died for our freedom?



towz Posted on 08/11/2009 16:04
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It must be lovely living in black and white, life must be so much simpler

littlejimmy Posted on 08/11/2009 16:04
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What chorleyphil said. And too many people are interested in point-scoring on here.

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 16:08
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[^]sorry, net time i hear celtic fans singing IRA songs ill embrace them, and fully understand why the IRA blow children up and cowardly blamed the british government

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 16:11
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Cartoon brain

chorleyphil Posted on 08/11/2009 16:11
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Would anyone give a bugger if a minutes silence was not carried out at every ground, every year?

Oh and the football shirts with poppies on is pathetic imo.

You want to really show respect? Well there have been parades in every town and city today. Do you attend one?

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 16:12
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[rle]yeh, and all you can do in response to the truth is accuse me of being narrow minded, thus avoiding the truth, like a true, war mongering sectarian


top hypocrite[^]

Holgate-Hero- Posted on 08/11/2009 16:12
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chorleyphil posts sense [^]

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 16:14
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War mongering? Jesus wept, can't see the point of arguing with you any further

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 16:16
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[:(]your not arguing, your just ducking and avoiding the issues, your agreeing with celtic fans singing vile abuse and IRA songs, yet im the one who sings things in blacks and white

chorleyphil Posted on 08/11/2009 16:19
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SHUT UP YOU PAIR OF CRAZY BASTTARDS!!

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 08/11/2009 16:26
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Dude if you despise Celtic, there fans and views why were you watching them.?




The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 16:34
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[rle]who said i was watching them, you couldnt pay me to watch that standard of utter XXXXXXe, celtic being outplayed by a pub team, no wonder there fans are frustrated and sing IRA songs all game

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 08/11/2009 19:23
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"Lots of Irish in the British Army"

Well my paternal grandfather who I never knew was of Irish catholic descent (parents from Co Tyrone). As a teenager, he volunteered for WW1. He was gassed and suffered with his lungs for the rest of his life. He was still in his thirties when he died. I never knew him, my dad hardly knew him. Some Irish catholics fought in WW1, then ironically enough fought against the British in trying to get Irish independence. Many Irish catholics fought against Naziism in WW2.

The Septic fans who spoilt the otherwise perfectly observed silence are scum. No excusing it. Even if some of them are Irish or of Irish descent, those born and bred in Scotland should check what it says on their passports before being all anti-British. If someone doesn't like this country, nobody is forcing them to live here or come here.

I think the owners of Celtic are Irish catholic (of of Irish descent), yet they agreed to have poppies on their team's shirts and a Celtic director was visibly seen shaking his head at the sizeable minority who brought shame on their club. As for some of them having lost loved ones killed by the British army - FFS. What's that got to do with allowing people belonging the country that they're in to have total silence in remembering the dead of two world wars and other conflicts? The IRA killed more innocent people than the British army did in Ireland.

Whatever your religion, whatever your patriotism, is it not to much to ask for some human decency in the observation of a minute's silence? Those trying to justify the disruption of it need to have a word with themselves. I don't know what was being sung, but am I right in assuming it was a rebel song? If so, totally and utterly shameful.

Teesvillain Posted on 08/11/2009 19:55
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PTCFT

What about the families of those killed by the black and tans? Should they commerate this day?

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 08/11/2009 19:58
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I'm not asking them to commemorate it but they should at least show some humanity and decency and respect the wishes of the minority rather than disrupting the silence. I would guess the IRA have killed more innocents such as servicemen than innocents killed by the army including the black and tans. Does that mean I have to hate all Irish nationalists?

I've just seen what you've posted on the poppy thread. You're a bit of a devil's advocate aren't you?

mfctraveller Posted on 08/11/2009 20:10
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What have the black and tans got to do with remebrance day

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 20:11
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[^]ptcft said what i wanted to say but couldnt be arsed

Teesvillain Posted on 08/11/2009 20:14
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"whatever your patriotism"? give your head a shake

Teesvillain Posted on 08/11/2009 20:21
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mfctraveller, read for yourself


Link: blackandtans

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 08/11/2009 20:23
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Cheers, Dude. [^]

zzzzz Posted on 08/11/2009 20:27
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Daft buggers with their anti British ways [smi]

Oils gone now so put the wall back and let em get on with it [^]

The_same_as_before Posted on 08/11/2009 20:31
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I am Catholic and probably of some form of Irish decent, which Catholic in middlesbrough isn't?

I find Towz utterly disgusting, a true biggot who has never looked at any question on Ireland without a single (evil) point of view.

My dad, joined the Marines of his own valition, no one conscripted him and like many won medals. I never heard him discuss it. I never heard him have a bad word about Germans, although his views, with my mam who also served throughout the war,on the Japanese was not good.

Today the people like Towz, who I would love to meet, should take notice of a German today playing for Chelsea. the man showed complete sensitivity to the Britsh Army and its memory.

The Celtic supporters who refused to show their admiration of millions of freedom fighters, of the Uk and its allies show go to bed and wonder where we would be without them.

mfctraveller Posted on 08/11/2009 20:32
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Desite the right and wrongs of the black and tans ............... they still have nothing to do with remembrance day... if I was in Southern Ireland I would not disrespect their ceremonies because of the actions of the IRA

The_Dude Posted on 08/11/2009 20:36
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one of my grandparents was irish, so im sort of irish blood anyway, but ill still rip there balls out for singing XXXXXXe, and call them thick paddy XXXXXXs for disrespecting soldiers who liberated us from nazi germany and died for our freedom

out of order

Teesvillain Posted on 08/11/2009 20:36
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slap your backs.

What are you on about, I am of Irish ancestory and have been absorbed in Britain, thyat doesn't mean to say that all others are the same. Celtic is a gathering ground to those still resentful to the acts of the British Army, how can you not accept that? Did you think your own country's policies have always been spot on? Did you never question the British Empire's legitmacy in its dealings over the last 200 years?

More importantly if you came from one of the afflicted nations wouldn't you have felt in the least like you were betraying your ancestors?

Ireland was one of those nations

Rocky10 Posted on 08/11/2009 20:37
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Got to about 30 replies and really felt dissapointed.

I have bought 2 poppies this year 1 for me and 1 for my lad. he wore his to football this mrning and was OK was with e
wearing it and had a fair idea of what it was about.

But he asked me what would have happened if we hadn't won the war.

XXXXXX me there would have been no bloody sunday, no resistance to karadice (sp), greater influence in the middle east and an overall world domination culture.

Why should we not celebrate the livesof people that went to save us from the hun!

Teesvillain Posted on 08/11/2009 20:50
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Before being dissappointed you should read the full thread and between the lines. No resistance to Karadic? Go to Vukovar in Croatia and ask what the British did for them under the conservatives

Towell Posted on 08/11/2009 23:59
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Some people really need to do some learning around the subjects that they're pontificating about.

For me Rememberance Sunday is a personal time of reflection on the millions of people who died in a futile war.

They were working class men like me or you who were sent to their deaths by idiots in charge, there's little glory in that.

The personal loss is tragic and that's what people should think about not whether any war was right or wrong.

The Celtic fans who couldn't respect this are narrow-minded idiots who probably didn't give a moments thought as to what they were actually doing, particularly since as a proportion the amount of men from Ireland killed in WWI will have been the same as those from Britain.

Dibzzz Posted on 09/11/2009 00:06
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Let's not get carried away here.

The very respectful Celtic fans in the ground did the decent thing. Decent people.

The complete arseholes outside who'd sooner see us to revert back a few decades are, and I'd rather not use the term, scum.

towz Posted on 09/11/2009 07:44
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"I find Towz utterly disgusting, a true biggot who has never looked at any question on Ireland without a single (evil) point of view"

You obviously haven't got a clue what I'm trying to express. If certain Celtic fans don't want to support the British and Commonwealth rememberance day for military losses (which is what Rememberance Sunday is actually all about) for personal or political reasons that is their right and nobody should be calling them scum. For me rememberance day should be a day to reflect and remember the dead of all wars, mostly caused by the ruling elites and to the detriment of the likes of us. The current rememberance day is too much back slapping and congratulating ourselves for as somebody sensitively put it 'beating the hun' in WWII and not enough emphasis is put on the senseless slaughter that all wars bring. I have nothing but sympathy for families who lost loved ones in these wars and nothing but hatred for the XXXXXXs who sent so many to their deaths

zaphod Posted on 09/11/2009 08:30
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"I have nothing but sympathy for families who lost loved ones in these wars and nothing but hatred for the XXXXXXs who sent so many to their deaths".

Does this mean, Towz, that you think the politicians were wrong (or even evil) to send troops against Hitler and against the Kaiser after his troops had invaded France & Belgium? What were they supposed to do? Send them flowers?

The_same_as_before Posted on 09/11/2009 09:14
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Towell has summed it all up perfectly.

Towz, I love the loonies on here, the false racists, the anti catholic jibes, the Lord Davids and his ilk, I would never ban any of them.

I find you vile.

towz Posted on 09/11/2009 09:20
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WWII would never had happened if the treaty of Versailles hadn't been so punitive against the Germans. Sending troops to the aid of France and Belgium was also acceptable but the mindless slaughter that followed was ultimatley pointless and how anyone can try and justify it is beyond me

towz Posted on 09/11/2009 09:22
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The_same_as_before, it's a shame you can't look at things from any otehr perspective but your own but that's your right and I aplogies if my views cause you so much offence

The_same_as_before Posted on 09/11/2009 09:23
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And to think all those men and women at the various cenotaphs yesterday had thought they had done the right thing.

chorleyphil Posted on 09/11/2009 09:27
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Towz you TIT.

Your last paragraph is the most disgusting thing I have read on here.
Rememberance Day is NOT 'back slapping' and never has been.

The_same_as_before Posted on 09/11/2009 09:30
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Towz, read what I have written on this thread and all other similar threads.

I am a Catholic as I have said a million times, even a church going one, and as I have said probably an Irish one.

I have a completely un-biased view.

Until the loyalist majority of NI decide to become part of the Republic of Ireland there is stalemate.

Yesterday was about men and women, how you can justify Catholics debasing their right to one minutes silence is completely beyond me.


towz Posted on 09/11/2009 09:31
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Waste of time

The_same_as_before Posted on 09/11/2009 09:33
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Thats the first thing that you have written that makes any sense to me.

zaphod Posted on 09/11/2009 09:36
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No, Towz, WWII would never have happened if the Allies had marched to Berlin & thoroughly defeated Germany & Austria. Hitler's main complaint about WWI was that Germany hadn't lost but a bunch of cowards surrendered on behalf of the undefeated German people. Reparations were a mistake, but not the main issue & were in any case cancelled in 1932. Hitler spent more on rearmament than reparations would have cost.

What on earth does mindless slaughter mean? It was war: war is nasty & brutal. What should Britain have done: gone & distributed flowers in the front line? It wasn't pointless, because Germany was defeated.

towz Posted on 09/11/2009 09:43
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So you don't agree that somebody who's family may have been killed by British or Commonwealth armed forces has the right not to observe the minutes silence? If they stayed outside and chose not to observe it that is up to them surely? That is all I am saying and if you read some of the above posts there are good reasons. Just because people don't share your political views it doesn't make them scum

zaphod Posted on 09/11/2009 09:47
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towz, they have that right & no-one is denying that. But others also have the right to condemn them for their behaviour.

towz Posted on 09/11/2009 09:53
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So you're telling me that trench warfare and the millions and millions of deaths were unaviodable and ultimately justifiable? That the generals sat on their backsides in their chateaus were justified in sending wave after wave of conscripted men to meet their death for a few meters of land. That once a stalemate had obviously been reached they wouldn't have been better trying to negotiate a solution rather than crashing on with the mindless slaughter?

The_same_as_before Posted on 09/11/2009 09:53
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Are you accusing me of calling someone Scum? and for the record they may of stayed off the terraces but their bile could be heard on and off the pitch.

The only place in the world I have faced racism is Dublin, pretty much every time I go.

towz Posted on 09/11/2009 10:10
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"The only place in the world I have faced racism is Dublin, pretty much every time I go."

Care to expand? If you haven't called the non-observant Cletic fans scum others certainly have

The_same_as_before Posted on 09/11/2009 10:14
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I work there twice a year and stay in the city. I have been told to XXXXXX off home, an English bstrd, 'that song was for you' in a Strathcoole bar.

But let them get on with it, I don't mind the loonies.

Carry on.

privatepile75 Posted on 09/11/2009 10:56
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if they didn't agree with it they could have stayed outside in peace, they would have still made their point.

i think the SFA should have called a minutes applause because the same minority of celtic fans done the same thing last year too.