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BoroBajen Posted on 05/11/2009 18:02
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Have a huge stand wide banner of a union jack and no surrender underneath - Christ almighty Disgusting

towz Posted on 05/11/2009 18:03
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Haha. Fair play to them, bit sectarian like!

GillZean Posted on 05/11/2009 18:09
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What's disgusting about that?

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 05/11/2009 18:09
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Well done Hamburg![^]

I remember that lot coming to Ayresome, and singing all the pro IRA $hite!

BoroBajen Posted on 05/11/2009 18:19
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And I remember going to a Old Firm Derby and hearing all the Famine song bollox and anti-Catholic stuff.

Whats it got to do with Hamburg except their ultras are notoriously Right-Wing.

What would you think if Chelsea played away to Barcelona and the Nou Camp wa sfull of "F**k the Brits" and Pro IRA stuff?

BoroBajen Posted on 05/11/2009 18:20
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And its disgusting cos its sectarian and provocative and has no place in football. No doubt nothing will be done by UEFA[V]

towz Posted on 05/11/2009 18:21
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I'd laugh, it's football banter. Chill out, and i'm a fenian

dave42 Posted on 05/11/2009 18:29
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so celtic can do it and proddies cant , tosser

centenarynorton Posted on 05/11/2009 18:40
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What channel is it on..

junkyard_angel Posted on 05/11/2009 18:44
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Now that's what I call research[:D]

centenarynorton Posted on 05/11/2009 18:51
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Anyone know please..[;)]

BoroBajen Posted on 05/11/2009 18:52
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Who are you calling a tosser Dave42 you tosser? I never said Celtic fans can do it did I? Its all bollox but a lot more surprising when it comes in from a set of German fans (And being hypocritical for a minute, there's summink ironic about a load of right-wing Germans with a Union Jack stating No Surrender) They are also singing Rangers Sectarian songs - songs which have been banned in Scotland and provoke violence. And did I mention your a tossser 42?

BoroBajen Posted on 05/11/2009 18:52
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Oh and its on ESPN

centenarynorton Posted on 05/11/2009 18:55
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Cheers Bajen W.A.T.P.

junkyard_angel Posted on 05/11/2009 18:55
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Singing your rival's songs is common in football, and how do you know they are all right-wingers?

BoroBajen Posted on 05/11/2009 19:01
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Well alright a generalisation fair dos but a lot of Hamburg's ultras are far right like. Anyway, surely there's singing songs about your rivals and singing racist chants (both Celtic and Rangers) and secondly this is Hamburg not Rangers - they are a German team.

Anyway I just thought it was dead shocking to see something like that in a mainstream European game!

BoroBajen Posted on 05/11/2009 19:05
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Nice use of anti-Celtic initialling there Norton[|)]

You can check the Radio Times next time

centenarynorton Posted on 05/11/2009 19:14
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Keep ya Cardy on Bajen Rdio times ..[:D]

Buddy Posted on 05/11/2009 19:17
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It IS sectarian bollox, but equally it's top international awareness. Can you imagine a No To Franco banner next time Real rock up at the Emirates?

NedKat Posted on 05/11/2009 19:20
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They look like Freddy Bassett running round in those yellow and black hoops ...

Not that I'm in anyway Freddy Bassettist !

BoroBajen Posted on 05/11/2009 19:28
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Buddy! [:D]

Boromart Posted on 05/11/2009 19:30
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Maybe it is just a protest against terrorism. Good on them. [^]

Muttley Posted on 05/11/2009 20:13
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What was the large banner displayed when we played in Europe that had the commentators apologising?

Wasn't it something like "Fcuk off Boro" [:D]

And that has made me feel a little sad [|)]

GillZean Posted on 05/11/2009 20:17
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Didn't the Pope used to be involved in quite a right wing group, Bajen?

Fair play to them for being so internationalist, and how you know so much about their Ultras and their political views is beyond me.

BoroBajen Posted on 05/11/2009 20:50
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I don't like the Pope Gilzean as the pope smokes dope (or so I've read). Bloody hell I don't know how I ended up being the voice of a billion people but there you go it just goes to show what a ST Peters education can do for ya.

Anyway - yeah the pope's right wing and so are the Hamburg fans oh and they're both German and so was Himmler! Must be a coincidence. I ain't doing a Catholic Bulldogs vs Proddy Dogs polemic I was just mentioning that No Surrender to The IRA is quite an emotive statement given its use in the past and seeing it covering a whole terrace was pretty shocking - no way would they get away with that at Ibrox for example.

I know so much about ultras cos I read summink once somewhere or other about them (on a cigarette card I think it was).

manhead Posted on 05/11/2009 21:15
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I clearly heard the hamburg fans singing something about giving Bobby Sands a Frankfurter?

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 05/11/2009 21:22
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That is an impressive terrace they have there. They probably generate more atmosphere in 5 mins from that stand than we have from our whole stadium in the last 3 years.

If they can have it why cant we?

ccole Posted on 05/11/2009 21:22
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"I was just mentioning that No Surrender to The IRA"

Bang out of order. How anyone can suggest not giving in to a terrorist organisation is beyond me.


glosboro Posted on 05/11/2009 22:05
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What was the large banner displayed when we played in Europe that had the commentators apologising?

Wasn't it something like "Fcuk off Boro"

Basle wasnt it?

Happy Posted on 05/11/2009 22:11
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were going to beat the fckin boro at basle - or something like that.

as for Celtic and rangers XXXXXX there bigotry

I hope the krauts sang 'bobby sands you should have gone to mcdonalds'

XXXXXXin terrorist deserved to die

boro74 Posted on 05/11/2009 22:20
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beat that XXXXXXing boro, win the cup tomorrow


Link: happy days...

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 05/11/2009 23:02
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"I was just mentioning that No Surrender to The IRA"

Bang out of order. How anyone can suggest not giving in to a terrorist organisation is beyond me.


Well put Ccole. I will say that it's a bit sad and petty of the Hamburg fans to wind up/taunt the Septic fans like that, funny though it is. Shouldn't they be concentrating on getting behind their own team?

Mind you, I remember watching us win at OT and taunting the Man U fans with "You'll never walk alone". As I joined in, it makes me just as bad. Still funny seeing the looks on the Man U fans faces as we sung it.

borobadge Posted on 06/11/2009 00:28
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in reality..and if any of you knoew phuq all about football and rivalries !!!..[:X][LOVE][B)][:X][LOVE]

its really a adig at the St Pauli Fans, who are involved in anti-facist action with glasgow celtic.....

thee hamburgers being meat eaters (just to keep it topical !) aint got a brain of their own....

more importantly i had hamburg in a treble with hertha berlin and roma...useless useless basterds utterly useless, southgate out, mclaren out, robson out large firm threpenny bits out !!!!....[:D]

dogbolter Posted on 06/11/2009 03:46
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If you watch Celtic games around Europe you often see a skull and crossbones flag in the crowd,these are often carried by St Pauli fans who are affiliated with Celtic.
St Pauli come from Hamburg and are classed as a left wing club.
We all know what we would do if we played a club that was affiliated to Sunderland or Newcastle don't we?

gp66 Posted on 06/11/2009 07:24
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The commentater of the the 1st leg said that Rangers & Hamburg fans have been linked since the 70`s, that`s why they were waving Rangers scarves at Parkhead.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 07:26
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Bobby Sands was a hero who died for the cause.

However, "I clearly heard the hamburg fans singing something about giving Bobby Sands a Frankfurter?" funny as fukk.

Perspective

Jerry_Brown Posted on 06/11/2009 08:51
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Hamburg have an affiliation with Rangers, probably because their city rivals St Pauli have a big affiliation with Celtic.

MightyDuck Posted on 06/11/2009 08:57
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maybe it was there just to wind up the celtic fans.

similar to the banner in basle as above

Nero Posted on 06/11/2009 08:59
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Come on, it's hardly the worst thing going on in the world right now.

If Celtic fans can't take it, then tough luck.

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 09:49
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In retrospect I've decided this was the famous German wit in action![:D]

I am still boycotting hamburgers though

Jerry_Brown Posted on 06/11/2009 10:02
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I'd have a bratwurst over a hamburger any day.

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 10:04
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Has anyone ever eaten a currywurst?

King_Ricard Posted on 06/11/2009 10:06
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Im not sure of the fuss, the term 'no surrender' comes from the song of same name. Now the Irish Republican Army were not a religious group they were as there name suggests a Republican group. Im pretty sure that amongst there ranks there were protestants/catholics and non religious types.

So quite how this display can be considered sectarian is beyond me. It is as wide of the mark as people who complain that the singing of 'Amhran na bhFiann' at Celtic games is sectarian.

If anything for me this display shows a lack of imagination from the Hamburg Ultras.


Link: Hamburg Jack display

Bandy Posted on 06/11/2009 10:06
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Nowt wrong with the krauts!

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 10:09
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I've eaten a currywurst. Just like a sausage with curry sauce on really. Quite nice. Good after 10 litres of fine German bier

stump_hole_lover Posted on 06/11/2009 10:11
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Love that display. Anything that winds septic celtic fans up is ok by me after the bile that came out of their mouths at Mowbrays testimonial and i am catholic.

King_Ricard Posted on 06/11/2009 10:12
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You mean like singing stuff like Fields of Athenry?

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 06/11/2009 10:13
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Upsetting or attempting to upset/insult opposing fans is what makes an average day at a footie match tolerable.

In the 80s taunting the Forest fans with "scab, scab, scab" was a real pleasure [^].

People get upset at anything nowadays, however the Leeds fans singing "five nil" in reference to the Yorkshire Ripper was disgusting [V]

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 10:13
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No Surrender actually comes from the battles between King's James and William which were sectarian - and to say singing soings about the IRA isn't Sectarian is just daft.

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 10:15
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"singing soings" was typed on purpose - it was me best Northern Irish accent.

I wonder if a parmowurst would be nice? Sausage covered in bechamel sauce with melted cheese on top!

In Sweden you can get these sausages which are put in a wrap with mashed potato and seafood sauce the dirty gets

King_Ricard Posted on 06/11/2009 10:17
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But it isnt, the IRA isnt a religion. Singing 'Billy Boys' etc is sectarian in the same way 'roamin in the gloamin' is.

But i fail to see how songs about paramilitry groups can be considered sectarian regardless of what is comonly considered to be the tradtional denomonational support of the IRA/UDA etc.

GillZean Posted on 06/11/2009 10:21
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So Rangers fans are sectarian, whereas Celtic fans are terrorists?

Thanks for clearing that up, mate[^]

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 10:21
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Because its used by Rangers fans to taunt Celtic fans because they are predominantly Catholic not because they genuinely think that they are all IRA supporters.
In the same way that singing "No Surrender to Al Qaeda" to the Egyptian team would be wrong know worra mean

or the Geordies singing that shyyyite about Mido.

stump_hole_lover Posted on 06/11/2009 10:22
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"You mean like singing stuff like Fields of Athenry?"
No, i mean references to bombings, murders of two off duty soldiers at a funeral etc. I was in town on the saturday night before that game and they were full of it.
"Bobby Sands was a hero of the cause"
He was a convicted terrorist.

GillZean Posted on 06/11/2009 10:23
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Because its used by Rangers fans to taunt Celtic fans because they are predominantly Catholic not because they genuinely think that they are all IRA supporters.
Using your logic, all Celtic fans are terrorists just as all Hamburg Ultras are right wing.

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 10:26
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[That's the opposite of what I'm saying. It was stated above that Singing songs about the IRA isn't sectarian and I said I thought it was cos Rangers fans are singing those songs at Celtic because they are Catholic.

King_Ricard Posted on 06/11/2009 10:31
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Bobby Sands was also an elected member of Parliment who was refused political prisoner status (like most of the republican prisoners) and allowed to die in a cell.

Where as your Loyalist terrorists were kept in open prisons with anything they wanted due to being political prisoners.

For the record, im taking neither side. I just find the 'John Bull' mentality of some people hillarious. In the same i find 2 games a season Shane from Inverness with his tricolour draped over him going off his head at the sight of the hamburg jack being displayed.

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 10:36
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Can't we call teh Union Jack by its proper name?

The Butcher's Apron


WIND UP ALERT

1finny Posted on 06/11/2009 10:59
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fields of athenry is not a sectarian song at all. its about a farmer who went to australia and missed the fields of athenry.
wots that song about german bombers that most footie fans, for some bizarre reason, find funny.

oh - and lastly chill out. footy fans wind each other up - fact.
There are some fine lines. momentous loud songs from boro in the past spring to mind
'le saux - he takes it up the XXXX'
'posh spice she takes it up the xxxx'
'your supposed to be in jail'
'you should have died in the fire' to bradford fans in the play offs.
'theres a hole in your heart asa hartford, asa hartford...'
'we hate geordies'
'in you liverpool slums'

all degrees of nastyness, offence, hatred, or........banter.

littlejimmy Posted on 06/11/2009 11:04
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Mmm. Currywust mit pommes. Mit ein Bitburg, bitte! [^]

toxic_bob Posted on 06/11/2009 11:09
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Oh yes, another vote for the very fine currywurst.

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 11:15
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Parmowurst

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 11:17
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And if you could somehow have half Brown Ale and Half Bitburger to wassh it down with.

It would be like a modern version of a Black and Tan .... in fact scrap that

MightyDuck Posted on 06/11/2009 11:37
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how many of the Rangers fans who sing rule brittania etc actually refer to themselves as British and not Scottish, its not many!

Also, how many Celtic fans who sing their bile have any ties to Ireland or actaully believe the IRA are doing a good job, its not many either

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/11/2009 11:49
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I hope we never get either of them in our leagues, a pox on both their houses.

I am English Catholic I cannot ever remember wanting Celtic to win a game of football, apart possible the first European Cup, if they had been Rangers I would of felt the same way.

Keep well clear.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 11:52
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""Bobby Sands was a hero of the cause"
He was a convicted terrorist."

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, but let's not get into it. In my opinion he was a very brave man who died for what he believed in, freedom for Ireland from British oppression

Bandy Posted on 06/11/2009 11:53
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how many celts that sing pro IRA songs have actually been to ireland?

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/11/2009 11:55
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Towz that is utter bollax, he was a tool of McGuiness and Adams, nothing more noting less.

The reality is, is that the Northern Ireland has a majority of people who want to be part of the UK, to ignore them because someone blows up a building is pitiful.

eddyspants Posted on 06/11/2009 12:25
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Wasn't Nelson Mandela a convicted terrorist?[rle]

King_Ricard Posted on 06/11/2009 12:31
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You could argue that Northern Ireland has significant population who want it to be re-unified with the Republic.

So why is it fair to exclude their viewpoint?

stump_hole_lover Posted on 06/11/2009 13:27
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"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, but let's not get into it. In my opinion he was a very brave man who died for what he believed in, freedom for Ireland from British oppression"
And by the same score is Bin laden a very brave man?


towz Posted on 06/11/2009 13:27
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"And by the same score is Bin laden a very brave man?"

You're an idiot

stump_hole_lover Posted on 06/11/2009 13:30
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"one mans terrorist is another mans freedon fighter"
Where do you draw the line Towz?
And by the way,"your an idiot" nice response!

GillZean Posted on 06/11/2009 13:31
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They all murder innocents because their views are unpopular, that's what makes them terrorists. Cowards is another word to describe them.

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/11/2009 13:31
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King Dick, I don't, I have no idea what the answer is. I work there 3 times a year, and although it is far better now that say 15 years ago, there still a lot of hidden conflict.

Whats the answer? ask the Prods to move to England/Scotland and move all the Micks in Kilburn to move back?

(Prods and Micks for effect)

But having two evil sets of minority fans at two great football clubs in Scotland multiplying the divide helps no-one.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 13:34
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You can't compare a man fighting for liberty in his own occupied country to funding attacks on innocent civillians in far way countries for a religious cause. That's why you're an idiot

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/11/2009 13:36
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Towz, in your view what rights of Liberty do the majority in Ulsater have? To live in peace?, move out?

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 13:38
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If you've failed to notice Northern Ireland is still a part of the UK with it's own representative government and most people in NI are fairly happy with the situation. The IRA have lain down their arms and renounced violence in favour of the political process

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/11/2009 13:41
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OK I will ask again, in your view what Liberties did the murderer not have?

toxic_bob Posted on 06/11/2009 13:43
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Schinkwurst is also very pleasant with a bit of German mustard

doireboro Posted on 06/11/2009 13:43
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Towz is quickly becoming my favourite poster today. He's the only one on here speaking any sense. [^]

You can't compare Bobby Sands to Bin Laden, how ridiculous.

66 days without food, just to prove a point. That takes conviction and balls. Much different from a suicide bomber to in that only one person is going to die in the end with a hunger strike.

He was also in his own occupied country, fighting for a cause he believed in.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 13:44
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I would advise you to read up on some of the history of the conflict in Ireland and the 1000+ years of English/British repression that the Irish people suffered instead of taking your opinion directly from the Sun

doireboro Posted on 06/11/2009 13:46
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Exactly, you should try and understand both sides of something before passing comment or judgement!

stump_hole_lover Posted on 06/11/2009 13:51
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"You can't compare a man fighting for liberty in his own occupied country to funding attacks on innocent civillians in far way countries for a religious cause. That's why you're an idiot"

I think if you look at the facts the IRA did'nt limit themselves to attacks of British Army personell in NI. There were attacks on barracks in germany, bombings in Manchester, London, Birmingham and even Warrington ffs! Many innocent people who had ever even been to NI died as a result of these terrorists including a fifteen year old boy in Warrington. Bobby Sands was no different to the suicide bombers on the london underground dying for a cause he believed in but ultimately being nothing but a brainwashed coward and a pawn of others.
I won't resort to name calling as i don't know you at all, never mind enough to call you an idiot because i don't agree with one particular view point you hold.

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/11/2009 13:52
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Towz, being a Catholic and in the days oy yor an Irish one i have read more than enough, including the Biographies of O'Connell, Collins, and others.

I am completely unbiased on this one. We (Catholics) were as much to blame for the famine as we(the Brits) ever were.

Stop letting your bigotory get in the way of reality.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 13:53
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And I certainly don't condone any of the attacks that the IRA carried out on innocent civillians. They were just plain wrong and completely unjustifiable. Unfortunatly bad things happen in wars

ccole Posted on 06/11/2009 13:55
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"You can't compare a man fighting for liberty in his own occupied country to funding attacks on innocent civillians in far way countries for a religious cause"

How far is London, Guildford, Warrington etc from Dublin?

Sands and Bin Ladin are both Cowards, except Sands was a XXXXXXing stupid coward and used as a puppet by those running the IRA.


towz Posted on 06/11/2009 13:56
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The famine? There was more than one pal. The Irish were the first to suffer from the British Empire and were treated as slave labour. They weren't even allowed to speak their own language in their own country. Anyway like I say I don't want to get to deeply into it but I will say the IRA were fighting for a just cause. Some of their methods were of course very unsavoury

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 13:59
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And what the fukk were the Irish Republicans supposed to do against the British Army, the most powerful empire in the world. Throw potatoes at them? Guerilla warfare was the only option

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/11/2009 14:01
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So 9/11 was right then.


Why didn't you just say that.

ccole Posted on 06/11/2009 14:02
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"And I certainly don't condone any of the attacks that the IRA carried out on innocent civillians"

Did/do you agree with the attacks on Army barracks and Police stations and Military people?

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 14:04
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Yes. As an army of occupation they were legitimate targets, don't see how you can argue any other way. Same as British and American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are legitimate targets and I have mates serving out there. If you don't want to see people killed don't invade and occupy other countries. Simple

ccole Posted on 06/11/2009 14:11
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I cant even be arsed to go there with you. You come across as a fool. To compare Ireland with Iraq and Afghanistan is laughable.

To suggest trying to obtain a result by blowing up off-duty police men, or shooting someone point blank while collecting a pizza just angers me.

A prr1ck of the highest order.


towz Posted on 06/11/2009 14:15
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Toys out of the pram there. It was a guerilla war of attrition to sicken the British empire and force them to give Ireland independece. The only option. Would you have expected the IRA to fight pitched battles against the British Army? Not possible or feasible and suicide. See the Easter Rising

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 14:17
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And to reiterate the IRA have lain down their arms. The incident at the barracks in NI where the army lad was killed going to collect a pizza was despicable. The war is over now

stump_hole_lover Posted on 06/11/2009 14:28
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There were far more dispicable acts of murder than there were "legitimate target" acts. If they had kept to attacking soldiers i could understand your argument but even bombing army bases was deemed too risky for them so they went for more and more soft targets. They are nothing but murderous cowards and the day Blair had them all round for tea at 10 downing street was a disgrace. I come from NI catholic background, my great grandfather came from Cooks Town in about 1900 and settled in Haverton Hill, if he felt that the british were occupying his homeland, why did he settle here?>

gerry_mander Posted on 06/11/2009 14:30
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"bobby sands was a convicted terrorist"

what was he charged and convicted of ?

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 14:31
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Snap on the background (Antrim not cooks town). As I say I can't and don't condone attacks on civillians, or any attacks after the IRA declared they were laying down their arms (which has been independently verified).

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/11/2009 14:31
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Borobajen, there is a difference between being anti-IRA and anti-Roman Catholic. My family are Ulster protestant and are loyalist but we have catholic/nationalist friends. Most of my family couldn't give a stuff what church someone goes to.

The term "No Surrender" dates back from the Glorious Revolution when James II was deposed. Indeed at the Siege of Derry, it is what the Apprentice Boys cried as they shut the gates on James II. The song of the same name refers to that.

Oh and Bobby Sands was a H block prisoner so must have been tried and convicted of something.

Bobby Sands - Slimmer of the Year 1981

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 14:36
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towz is talking sense here.
He's restoring me faith in Boro fans. With some of yous its like being on the Chelsea board or summink.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/11/2009 14:37
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So you expect Boro fans to be pro-Irish republican BB?

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 14:38
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PTCFT - what are you onnabout or what do you mean? I havent posted a comment for ages. When did I say the opposite to that like?

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 14:38
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One here [^]

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 14:39
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BNo not just knee-jerk bigots who quote as Towz says from the Sun.

I do happen to agree with him but its not just what he says its the fact that he clearly knows what he's onnabout.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/11/2009 14:40
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Sorry BB, I was just referring to one of your posts earlier, explaining that it's not sectarian to be anti-Irish republican.

Towz, you may well try to legitimise the armed struggle, but republicans should have recognised the principle of consent of the majority of Northern Irish people, which they eventually did in 1998.

gerry_mander Posted on 06/11/2009 14:41
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"Oh and Bobby Sands was a H block prisoner so must have been tried and convicted of something."

you couldnt make it up

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 14:43
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fair does PTCFT [ref]

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 14:44
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I meant abouut the first thing anyway - I'll respectfully disagree with the 2nd point [ref][ref]

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/11/2009 14:44
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Gerry, he was a convicted IRA prisoner. What is the problem with what I posted? BB, fair enough, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I'm back to work soon. See yers later.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 14:44
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"Towz, you may well try to legitimise the armed struggle, but republicans should have recognised the principle of consent of the majority of Northern Irish people, which they eventually did in 1998."

I agree with you there. The violence carried on for far too long in the North. The cause was hijacked by some very unsavoury characters

King_Ricard Posted on 06/11/2009 14:46
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Lets be honest, had it not been for the Imperialist mentality of ole Britainia there would be no conflict in Ireland. Ireland does not belong to the UK..

So ask yourself, how many of the world conflicts are to blame on the British empire..

doireboro Posted on 06/11/2009 15:05
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Also you say Bobby Sands was convicted, but being from Derry, I personally know 2 people, one of whom had his testicles kicked that far up inside him he couldn't father children and another who was blindfolded, taken up in a helicopter and told he'd be thrown out if he refused to sign a confession. He refused and was thrown out of the helicopter, albiet when the helicopter wss 5 feet off the ground.

These are just some of the tactics used by the British Army and the RUC. Until you have lived through it or completely understand both sides of it, you should stop making rash judgments.

There's a book called The Castlereagh Files, which details the story of 7 or 8 men who went through various forms of torture in the castlereagh interrogation centre, some of you should read it. A lot of time you'll find that people only took up the armed struggle after being tortured/abused by the RUC/British Forces.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 15:22
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Well said doireboro [^]

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 15:24
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Aye DB[^]

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/11/2009 15:34
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DB as a Brit I cannot justify anything that you have evidence of. Can you justify 2 innocent children in Warrington that did not grow up?


This will never stop whilst the Irish people of both sides think History is more important than thier childrens future.

ccole Posted on 06/11/2009 15:42
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Cowards


Link: For the cause?

junkyard_angel Posted on 06/11/2009 15:43
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How many English teams could have pulled this off without getting the flag upside down?

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 15:59
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I always found it an interesting fact that rich Irishmen and Irish Landowners were equally to blame for the famine as the Brits! Also, that Ireland has NEVER in its history been united, and that there has been a pro-British presence in Ireland since the middle ages...well before Cromwells men!

Just a thought for those IRA supporters on here! [rle]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 16:00
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junkyard_angel

The Red Union Flag at the back of the north stand is ALWAYS wrong for starters!!

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 16:10
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For Fecks sake let it go will you.

So much ignorance and bile by people who know feck all about this island.
Read the history of this island and learn. Stop basing your predudices on half heard stories and bigotted ideologys.
Some twit even mentioned the famine. WTF would you know about the famine??
For Gods sake lads, leave it.

toxic_bob Posted on 06/11/2009 16:11
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Well said Leitrim

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 16:13
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Right lets move on - next topic on the FMTTM guide to world politics, Palestine/Israel ...[;)]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 16:14
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Palestine bad.
Israel good. [;)]

Next.

doireboro Posted on 06/11/2009 16:15
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TSAB, Of course I can't justify that or any bombing for that matter. It's wrong plain and simple. I also can completely understand a normal, understanding english person being upset at the irish over all the bombings and referring them as scum, etc.

What I'm trying to get across is if people took enough time to learn about the history of the troubles, etc. then maybe they would have a better understanding of why a section of the catholic minority felt they had no choice but to take up arms.

And it is much better these days for the most part. My theory has always been, I was born in northern ireland and consider myself irish. If someone born here wants to consider themselves british then fair dos. I have no issue with that and I have ood friends who are protestant and we always can have a good banter cause none of us really care about the past. I just want to drink my pints in peace. [:D]

My issue is when people try to force one side or the other into saying they are british or irish against their will, or like 15-20 years ago when catholic schools were forbidden from teaching irish sports or the irish language, etc. Things like that are just plain wrong and have no place.

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 16:16
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And to complete the trilogy of crucial questions regarding the world's people:

Daddies or HP?

doireboro Posted on 06/11/2009 16:18
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Leitrim Boro does have it spot on too! [^]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 16:20
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"why a section of the catholic minority felt they had no choice but to take up arms"

I think this same minority needs to learn about the history themselves, and NOT some romanticised all-happy, all-united Ireland they think once existed and think they're now fighting for!!

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 16:33
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GTR..Yawnnnnn. Either your fishing or ignorant. I think both.

doireboro Posted on 06/11/2009 16:35
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Guisborough, the only people still fighting for it are the dissidents who I would say make up the smallest of minorities in northern ireland today. Most level headed individuals realise that the fighting is all bs and have moved on.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 16:47
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doireboro..Forgive GTR. He`s a bit of a tory boy. He`ll have a fit when he googles Tiocfaidh ar la.
An t adh leat

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 16:52
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No, please don't forgive me at all. I'm quite happy to back my corner on issues I believe strongly in, even if it means repeating the same line. Fact is, the IRA are fighting for something that's never historically happened in Ireland, but they seem to think think has!!

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 16:55
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GTR without trying to fan the flames(!)again can I ask if you don't mind stating which political party you align yourself with (if any)?

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 16:57
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"but they seem to think think has!!"
Who are you talking about ???

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:01
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Yeah sure.

I'm 100% centre-right Conservative and Unionist Party...and proud. (Well, someone from Teesside has to be I suppose!)
I tend to lean towards any Pro-British, Anti-EU, and Pro-Israel sides to the arguements on here. As you can imagine, I get a fair share of stick but I can handle it with a resonable debate! Oh and for the record, I wouldn't vote BNP if they paid me, should you be thinking I'm some far right looney! (With a half French mum, I don't think they're the party for me!)

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:02
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A United Ireland has NEVER exisited in history! So it kind of ruins what the IRA stand for!

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:04
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Just to re-iterate GTR the IRA has given up the armed struggle

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:05
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I know that. But the CIRA and RIRA haven't, and so the same point I'm making still applies.

HUMBERRED Posted on 06/11/2009 17:07
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Celtic are Vermin.....End of!

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 17:07
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" Fact is, the IRA are fighting for something that's never historically happened in Ireland, but they seem to think think has"
Factualy incorrect.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:10
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" Fact is, the IRA are fighting for something that's never historically happened in Ireland, but they seem to think think has"
Factualy incorrect.

Oh, so you DO know what I'm talking about then? OK. Name ANY United Ireland King - and I mean a Irish one, not a British one reiging over all of Ireland! [;)]

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:11
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GTR you're talking bollox as usual. The IRA was established in order to free Ireland from British rule which was accomplished in the South. Some elements chose to carry on the struggle in the North.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 17:16
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You are factualy incorrect by saying, as I mentioned earlier, "but they seem to think it has"
Evey man and his dog are taught about the kings and queens of Ireland at school. We all know our history. To state like you did that the IRA seem to think that Ireland was united is wrong. Therefore please get your facts correct if you want a discussion.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:19
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GTR you're talking bollox as usual. The IRA was established in order to free Ireland from British rule which was accomplished in the South. Some elements chose to carry on the struggle in the North.

Eh? That makes no sense whatsoever!! If they were set up for, and happy with, just the South being free, why did they continue in the disgusting and cowardly manner that they did? Don't talk absoute rubbish about "some elements"...they wanted to Unite the whole lot from, day one, which incidentally, is why they killed one of their own rigth at the start of it all!

The lack of knowledge in your post, is quite frankly laughable!

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:20
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Nicely twisted [^]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:21
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Evey man and his dog are taught about the kings and queens of Ireland at school.

I can name French Kings, Russian Tsars, but errr not one single united Irish (and non-British) king yet.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:22
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Right wing prick on a wind-up. It's better than him being out on the streets battering immigrants I suppose but I doubt he'd be much use at that either [^]

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 17:29
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GTR. Missed my point about your incorrect post I see.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:32
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Towz

Is there ANY need for that final post of yours? [rle] I accept people on here have different viewpoints, but making insults and comments like I'm "out on the streets battering immigrants" are well out of order! Congratulations - You've completely lost the arguement in one stroke. Goodbye.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/11/2009 17:33
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Doire Boro, I'm aware of the illegal techniques employed by some to obtain spurious confessions of IRA suspects, but a fact is a many IRA defendants would plead "unashamedly guilty" in court. Whether Sands was one of those, I don't know. In fairness to Sands he did say "Everyone, republican or otherwise has their role to play" (or words to that effect).

I have no problem with those whose aim is a 32 county republic, that is their right. I do have a problem with those who believe in armed struggle against my country and against the union. Similarly, I have a problem with those (loyalist paramilitary or security forces) who would try to justfify killing and maiming ordinary nationalists for no other reason than that they were Roman Catholic.

I just hope that both sides can put all crap behind them and look to the future. I agree that Britain's rule in Ireland has not helped. At least the Blair administration (for all it's faults) tried to put things right by getting both sides round the table. Prior to the modern-day troubles, the attitude of the unionist government of Northern Ireland didn't help either, alienating catholics and making them feel second class citizens in their own country. What was it Edward Carson said "A protestant parliament for a protestant people"? As a protestant and unionist, statements like that are plain wrong.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:36
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GTR, very touchy for a fascist

doireboro Posted on 06/11/2009 17:42
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PTCFT, I feel the same. And thankfully, it's mostly, bar a few nutjobs on both sides, in the past and best left there.

Just sometimes people make comments and pass judgements when they don't have a clue about what has gone on or the entire situation, it's that ignorance of some I've tried to bat aside here.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/11/2009 17:43
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Fair enough db. I was just editing my previous post. Anyhow, I'm off now. See you later.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 17:44
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Aye, Tried for a wind up and got shot down very quickly.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:44
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Oh, so I'm a fully-paid up goose-stepping memeber of Mussolini's bunch now. Ha ha. Do go on. Perhaps I'll find out that Hitler was my great uncle's brother next? I'm not as interesting as that though! I'm just adult enough to debate and put forward views on here without relying on childish insults.

Sorry if that bores you.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 17:46
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Admit your original statement was incorrect.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:47
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[:X]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:47
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How have I got shot down very quickly??

I'm still waiting to hear of that long, rich history of Irish Kings and Queens that reigned happily over all of Ireland, the ones that the IRA appear to believe in...before us nasty mean British folks got our grubby hands on the place.

I stand by my original statement as it is correct.


towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:49
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Enjoy!


Link: There you go Tory boy

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/11/2009 17:49
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What I will say quickly is that the problem in the 20th century is that you've got one side still fighting the battle of the Boyne and the other still fighting Cromwell/the Easter rising. The sooner yer average Ulster protestant and yer average Ulster catholic (if I can call them that) realise that they have more in common with each other than they have with protestants from the British mainland (esp Glasgow) and catholics from the Free State, the better.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:50
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Agree with the 2nd sentence

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 06/11/2009 17:51
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I was wondering how long it would be, before the leftwing/pro IRA mob, would be throwing insults like fascist and immigrant beaters around.

True to form really, that if you don't fall in to their leftwing pro-IRA, pro-HAMAS, anti-Israel and anti-USA tripe, you are by default a rightwing fascist!

Pathetic.[V]

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:52
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GTR has consistently proven himself to be all of the above on numerous posts, not just this one [^]

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 17:53
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I`ve showed you where you are incorrect. If you do not agree please tell me or prove to me that the IRA believed that Ireland was united.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 06/11/2009 17:55
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Townz.

And with that post/link of yours...IT'S GAME OVER.

From a link from the same site "Medieval Irish historical tradition held that Ireland had been ruled by an Ard Rķ or High King since ancient times"

TRADITION?? WTF? Are they like Alfred the Great? (Equally never proven!) They're fictional my friend!

As for the rest, they're either ruling a few parts of Ireland, or they're Norman conquest era and onward Kings, so they're technically British/French.

Hard luck. I'm off now.


doireboro Posted on 06/11/2009 17:55
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Leitrim is right. Believing something "should be" and something "was" are 2 different things.

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 17:59
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Alfred the Great, king of WESSEX from 871 to 899? Anyway this is like shooting fish in a barrel, keep reading the Sun and hating foreigners mate


Link: Erm?

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 18:05
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GTR.. Admit you are wrong in your original statement. Go on, you fecked up.
Then I will discuss anything to do with irish history you want.

redwurzel Posted on 06/11/2009 18:10
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I think the famine will never be forgotten in Ireland and caused tremendous bitterness.The authorities in England could have done more, although not stopped all of the dieing. (2million died?)

Many Irish landowners (including Duke of Wellington) who were absent in England shippped out their tenants at £5 a go to dubious shipowners who used poor quality ships to send the tenants to Canada (Canada was £1 cheaper than USA). Most died on the voyage and when they landed from typhus etc.

Soup kitchens were opened, but in some of them you had to convert to Church of Ireland (Protestant) to receive food.

If you look at some of the Green Brigade flags (radical Celtic fans) who will see images of starving children. (on You Tube)

I don't have any sympathies for the Provisional IRA, as they establishment of NI seemed a reasonaable solution,although there was alot of mistreatment of Catholics in the north prior to the Troubles that created an environment for the re-emergence of the IRA.

I also think the problems were a class issue as well as Irish/English thing, but many Irish will not see it so. Working Class people were abandonned to die in England in that period although it waa not as concentrated.

The Hamburg fans know better than to provoke, but thats humans for you!

nidge Posted on 06/11/2009 18:16
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"So ask yourself, how many of the world conflicts are to blame on the British empire."


Its 2009, not 1799. How long should Britain carry the can? Another 500 years? Some countries have had decades (if not centuries) of freedom from British rule. If they still can't sort their problems out they should look closer to home instead of blaming foreign invaders from 100's of years ago. Young Irish kids aren't born hating the English, they're taught to by their small-minded biggoted parents. Some people just want to hate for hates sake.

flaps Posted on 06/11/2009 18:22
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If you're pro IRA you don't belong in this country.


LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/11/2009 18:46
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nidge... I have never taught my children to hate anything.

jimstewart Posted on 06/11/2009 18:57
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how the feck do you think the fecking boro will get on against palace you bunch of boring XXXXXXs?

towz Posted on 06/11/2009 18:59
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Hopefully a 2-0 win [^]

BURWELL_BORO Posted on 06/11/2009 19:00
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Yet another pointless argument between the girls [:D]

watp74 Posted on 06/11/2009 19:43
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celtic are scum who wont support the troops ira loving XXXXXXs

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 22:50
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As the instigator of this thread - necta man - and

I wish TOWZ was me mate cos he is sound as F**K - - I reckon 5 of us are making sense here and only 1 (PTCFT) makes any sense from the enemy POV - the irish lads are spot on - etc etc

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 22:57
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WATP74 is class. Cos have you set up a right-wing account especially! I am personally honoured !!!!!!!!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/11/2009 23:03
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'A United Ireland has NEVER exisited in history!'

I can't think of a country that has been united, certainly not the United Kingdom.

The right wingers are once again making a coont of themselves.

bettyswollocks Posted on 06/11/2009 23:32
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NO SURRENDER - END OF

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/11/2009 23:38
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It's too late. They did.

[^]

doireboro Posted on 06/11/2009 23:49
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XXXXXX me... I just popped on for 5 mins before heading to bed and this thread is still going. Class! haha

Can we not just put it to bed now.

1. The hamburg sign, while maybe distasteful and a little provocative, was well done.

2. People shouldn't bomb and kill people,EVER.

3. Before outright condemnation of republicans, people should stop and learn about the history of northern ireland and the treatment of catholics in general to see what would drive a group of people to violence without making rash statements about said people.

4. GTR is not a fascist, he just has a different viewpoint.

All in agreement? End of arguement.

C'mon boro tomorrow! [^] Night all.

Teesvillain Posted on 06/11/2009 23:50
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Leave Ireland for the Irish

Nidge - wounds run deep in Ireland and the memories and stories are still raw in the mind, you would be foolish to think otherwise

Guisboro_Town_Blue - you are an embarrassment to Middlesbrough

To anyone who hates the IRA, if anyone did what the British did to my land, I don't think I would act much differently

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 23:55
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I wish doireboro was me mate too - right on!

Anyway you mixture of sound left wing so and sos and right wing barrrstads - is anyone even going to Palace tomorrow? I am gonna be in the South Norwood spoons from 12! If anyone starts chanting pro-Republican chants Ill buy them a pint

BoroBajen Posted on 06/11/2009 23:57
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oh yeah and Teesvillain ....I wish you were me mate too ! [^]

bettyswollocks Posted on 07/11/2009 00:14
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Look its getting late..........lets all go to bed humming The Sash...........

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 07/11/2009 00:16
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you know that bit in Short Circuit where Jonny 5 looks up war and decides that the human race is XXXXXX and not worth bothering about. he should just look in here.

Towell Posted on 07/11/2009 00:18
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[V]

SNOWBANDIT Posted on 07/11/2009 00:28
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...opens door...er....is it a good time to mantion I am related to Oliver Cromwell?[sad]

Teesvillain Posted on 07/11/2009 01:18
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Sheriff - maybe one should stop watching fictional films instead of the news and try to understand what it's like for someone to be persecuted in their own homeland

dogbolter Posted on 07/11/2009 06:25
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WOW!!! I thought the Hamburg fans were only winding up the Celtic fans until I got back to this thread.

2:0 Hamburg I reckon

HUMBERRED Posted on 07/11/2009 10:01
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watp74[^]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 08/11/2009 12:56
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"Guisboro_Town_Blue - you are an embarrassment to Middlesbrough"

No I'm not.


"To anyone who hates the IRA, if anyone did what the British did to my land, I don't think I would act much differently"

Now that comment IS an embarrassment!

red_shamrock Posted on 08/11/2009 13:09
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Wouldnt imagine there are any "Pro IRA supporters on here"

How can you expect anybody to support the murder of innocent civilians in the name of any cause in a Democracy.
The IRA were/are Murderers.

And on this day of all days we should remember the "Ordinary Lads" British Soldiers who never went back home.

RIP.

scobba Posted on 08/11/2009 13:20
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i was at the game and the celtic lads are not happy about the banner at all and are hoping that uefa take action as it is clearly an attempt by the club not just the fans to wind the celtic fans up. oh and i had a very fine currywurst in the ground

towz Posted on 08/11/2009 13:30
Celtic away to Hamburg - HAMBURG FANS

In the same way as the Black and Tans were and the British Army were/are murderers

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 08/11/2009 13:33
Celtic away to Hamburg - HAMBURG FANS

So that makes the IRA alright then does it? [rle]

I can't even believe I'm having this debate. Terrorism is terrorism, and those who support it or defend it, either from the IRA/CIRA or the UVF/UDA side, are a disgrace. End of.

scobba Posted on 08/11/2009 13:43
Celtic away to Hamburg - HAMBURG FANS

whatever everyones feelings on the matter i think that arguing about something like this is a bit tasteless today. lest we forget the fallen