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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 19:38
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Conservative Baroness Warsi came over the best IMO

Jack Straw just mumbled and lied about Labour's immigration failings.

Nick Griffin came across as a baffoon clapping people putting him down, but made some good points.

The audience were terrible though. There was no balance whatsoever in it, the best ones were the ones who calmly and intelligently put their questions forward. Some just ranted and raved like loonies. The audience was far too left-wing, when Griffin made a couple of decent statements afew people started clapping and you could hear people around them telling them to stop.

The show was ok once they actually got to the actual format, but for the opening 30 minutes or so was a waste of time. We know what the BNP stand for, I wanted to hear each party's policies not half an hour pointing out the obvious that Griffin is an idiot.

I doubt we'll be seeing Gordon Brown thrown infront of a far right-wing audience anytime soon.

TheBoy007 Posted on 23/10/2009 19:45
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Gordon Brown isn't a racist, or at least not in public.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 19:50
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The English don't seem to get a very fair deal from New Labour, have you seen the benefits you get if you live in Scotland as oppose to England? Who do you think is paying for them?

For Jack Straw to go on about a Moral Compass was laughable

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 19:54
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total farce, the whole show went down in many peoples estimations, especially Dimblebys performance, he is supposed to be impartial, he allowed the onslaught on Griffin to continue and even joined in, why not let him put his policies across, the whole show is about political debate surely....

TheBoy007 Posted on 23/10/2009 19:56
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"have you seen the benefits you get if you live in Scotland"

No i haven't. Please, enlighten me.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 19:57
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Exactly Ben

I don't like Griffin but it was just a far-left mob attacking him for the first half an hour and nothing on policy was discussed.

I wanted to see a intelligent political debate to a lynch mob

loftusloyal Posted on 23/10/2009 19:59
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i watched it ,i thought nick griffin made some good points ,i am not a racist ,but i found myself agreeing with him on a few things ,when he touched a nerve he was quickly shouted down ,obviously a hand picked audience which were instructed to do this .

TheBoy007 Posted on 23/10/2009 19:59
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I wouldn't say they where far left just anti-racist. Which is no surprise as about half where black or asian.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 20:02
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Free personal care for the elderly, free higher education, free dental care, free eye tests, free prescriptions and better access to new medicines – exclusive benefits all subsides by English taxpayers.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 23/10/2009 20:04
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more than half were of ethnic groups from what I could see.

loftusloyal Posted on 23/10/2009 20:05
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its time to stop the tap ,gt britain ,the land of milk and honey ,.too soft ,thats what we are .

TheBoy007 Posted on 23/10/2009 20:07
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Add North sea oil and gas to Scotlands taxes and it matches their spending. Scotland gets less public spending per head than Northern Ireland or London. And they've had to put up with numerous sh!te Tory goverments they didn't vote for.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 20:09
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Benefits exclusive to Scotland include:
• Free University fees
• Free Personal care for the elderly
• Free central heating installation for pensioners
• Free school meals for some Scottish children between the ages of four and seven-with plans to extend to children of all ages.
• More readily available specialist drugs for many serious illnesses, such as cancer, sometimes free
• Free prescription charges for all by 2011- as announced by First Minister Alex Salmond
• Free dental check-ups and eye tests

Yeah sounds like they're hardly getting a penny...

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:13
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"I don't like Griffin but it was just a far-left mob attacking him for the first half an hour and nothing on policy was discussed."

they were attacking his policies and given him the opportunity to explain them which he reluctantly did instead focusing on saying some rather ridiculous things

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 20:15
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no they were throwing insults at him along with Dimbleby, I have never seen Dimbleby treat a panelist like that before, totally unprofessional....

TheBoy007 Posted on 23/10/2009 20:18
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Yeh i though Dimbleby handled it poorly.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 20:19
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No they were going over qoutes he has made in the past, thats not what the programme is about. I'm sure they could have come up with qoutes made in the past by anyone sat on that panel (though not as extreme I agree) and took them to task.

I was expecting an intelligent debate such as

What do you think about the Postal Strike?
*Discuss*

What should we do about immigration?
*Discuss*

How are we going to recover from the current economic posistion?
*Discuss*

But no it was just a studio audience and panel set-up to an agenda that had little to do about politics and everything to do with who can come up with the best insults such as the idiot who called him D!ck Griffin

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:21
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insults like what???

seriously its unbelievable how griffin apologists on here are so baffled that he was attacked on qt did you lot expect the bbc to pack the audience with racists and bnp sympathisers to give him an easy ride?

his beliefs and party are fundamentally wrong why are you so upset that many brits think like so?

GillZean Posted on 23/10/2009 20:22
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I'm pretty sure Mr Straw will have some quite impressive skeletons in his closet.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 20:24
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I've just gave one example

He was called D!ck Griffin by an audience member to which the audience cheered and laughed.

Would someone have been allowed to insult Jack Straw in that way? I very much doubt it

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:25
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"No they were going over qoutes he has made in the past, thats not what the programme is about. I'm sure they could have come up with qoutes made in the past by anyone sat on that panel (though not as extreme I agree) and took them to task.

I was expecting an intelligent debate such as

What do you think about the Postal Strike?
*Discuss*

What should we do about immigration?
*Discuss*

How are we going to recover from the current economic posistion?
*Discuss*

But no it was just a studio audience and panel set-up to an agenda that had little to do about politics and everything to do with who can come up with the best insults such as the idiot who called him D!ck Griffin"

for fukks sake its a topical program that featured one of the most notorious politicians in british history on the panel for the first time

you must be incredibly naive or just plain stupid if you thought the show was going to be anything other than griffin and the bnp being put under the spotlight [rle]

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 20:26
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no, but they seemed to pack it with either ethnic groups or left wingers, Griffin does right to complain, if they had a muslim extremist on, he wouldn't get that treatment...

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 20:27
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No Holgate I expected a balance. I would never vote for the BNP but the BBC is meant to be about balance. The audience was very left-wing, to the point were people were afraid to applaud any comment Griffin made they agreed with because the audience around jumped on them.

I thought it was a poor programme, they could have made Griffin look stupid by having an intelligent debate instead they went for the mob mentality.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:28
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"I've just gave one example

He was called D!ck Griffin by an audience member to which the audience cheered and laughed.

Would someone have been allowed to insult Jack Straw in that way? I very much doubt it"

so some imbecile in the audience called him dick griffin it hardly justifies the onslaught of abuse and insults bren has eluded to including accuses dimbleby of doing so too [rle]

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:30
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"no, but they seemed to pack it with either ethnic groups or left wingers, Griffin does right to complain, if they had a muslim extremist on, he wouldn't get that treatment..."

how the fukk do you know they were left wingers???

do you presume its impossible for someone who aligns themselves to the right to feel contempt and disgust for griffin and the bnp or in your little black and white world is it only left wingers that dare to question the mans morals and his partys policies?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 20:32
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It was pretty much staged managed by the BBC and patronising.

Apparently the BBC needed to demonise him on our behalf, being the aunty she is.

Obviously allowing Nick griffin to speak more than a few sentences would suddenly give the UK white population the urge to rush outside and start burning books, perhaps even kill a few Jews for good measure.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:34
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"No Holgate I expected a balance. I would never vote for the BNP but the BBC is meant to be about balance. The audience was very left-wing, to the point were people were afraid to applaud any comment Griffin made they agreed with because the audience around jumped on them.

I thought it was a poor programme, they could have made Griffin look stupid by having an intelligent debate instead they went for the mob mentality."

balance when it suits griffin and his apologists more like [ref]

you would never in a thousands years consider raising an issue like this if the audience was packed with bnp voters and it turned in a griffin back slap fest

but it just so happens that the british public present there happened to think his comments and beliefs were worth criticising and that has happened to upset a few people

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 20:34
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Exactly rivals

I was looking forward to an intresting political debate. After watching it I couldn't belive thats what all the fuss was about.

It might aswell have been a pantomine

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 20:34
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the guy ended up looking like the victim, the left wingers showed themselves up, Dimbleby couldn't hide his contempt, what a shambles it turned into....

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:36
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"It was pretty much staged managed by the BBC and patronising.

Apparently the BBC needed to demonise him on our behalf, being the aunty she is.

Obviously allowing Nick griffin to speak more than a few sentences would suddenly give the UK white population the urge to rush outside and start burning books, perhaps even kill a few Jews for good measure."

odd that the bbc allowed him to openly attack and criticise their organisation that invited him to participate in this show or did you and the other sympathisers conveniently forget this?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 20:39
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No as I havn't a clue what your talking about.

As I recall a lot of people attacked the BBC this week.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 20:40
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Because they used him for the publicity

Very few people bother to watch Newsnight, their audience figures went through the ceiling.

It suited both of them, Aunty got people to watch their show and he got to promote his ridiculous party.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:40
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"the guy ended up looking like the victim, the left wingers showed themselves up, Dimbleby couldn't hide his contempt, what a shambles it turned into...."

yeah shame on dimbleby for finding the man repulsive

im still interested to know of these insults he apparently levelled griffin that youve claimed

Tuncays_Cat Posted on 23/10/2009 20:41
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I hate the BNP and all that it stands for, and would never vote Griffin into power in a million years. Anybody who votes an ex National front member for Priminister is an idiot.

But I think its non negotiable that immigration and the lack of border control is a massive problem in the UK.

Our debt is nearly more than our GDP, statistics are showing that British people will be ounumbered in the next 20 years and our unemployment is at an all time high.

We could be on the brink of our nations collapse if our immigration problems are not solved.

Our current government is pretending that there are no problems, much like Jack Straw last night. Hopefully this program will prompt the 'Big 3' parties to look into this.


_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:42
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"No as I havn't a clue what your talking about.

As I recall a lot of people attacked the BBC this week."

oh how convenient! [rle]

im specifically talking about griffin at the end of last nights qt given the opportunity to attack the bbc after they invited him onto their show

im not surprised youve "forgotten" about it

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 20:44
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You mean he gave a dig at the BBC for stiching him up for the previous hour?

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 20:47
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Dimbleby treated Griffin with contempt, he was looking down his nose at him saying things like 'what are you laughing at?'....he didn't treat any of the other guests that way and allowed the insults from the audience, any other week he would have pulled people up , very poor chairmanship, supposed to be impartial....

ThePrisoner Posted on 23/10/2009 20:48
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"total farce, the whole show went down in many peoples estimations, especially Dimblebys performance, he is supposed to be impartial, he allowed the onslaught on Griffin to continue and even joined in"

Note that Dimbleby asked him about his holocaust denial which Griffin did not answer but just said he did not have a conviction for holocaust denial. Dimbleby's father was with the British forces that discovered Belsen. Perhaps that accounts for Dimbelby junior's apparent lack of impartiality when faced with a cnut like Griffin.

Not_Smog Posted on 23/10/2009 20:49
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Holgay Hero in argumentative post shocker!!!

Seriously Holgay do you ever post an opinion of your own or just come on here to bait other posters?

As for QT i honestly thought it was going to turn into an episode of Jerry Springer and it almost did.

It came across like an episode of Jeremy Kyle with Dimbleby playing the antagonist playing to a pre baited audience made up of mainly minority groups.

Let me be clear, Griffin and his ilke are deplorable in every way however a massive opportunity was lost to explore the policies of this racist organization and expose it for the xenaphobic institution it really is.

mark7171 Posted on 23/10/2009 20:49
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Bren_MFC
well said.
i was hoping he would be quized on his policies and shown up that way.
he wasn't even given the chance to prove what a racist loon he really is.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 20:50
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Exactly, most questions were actual rants.

It's a pointless exercise to use the veil of impartiality to invite him on, yet then throw that impartiality away, and turn Queston time into the Nick griffin show.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:52
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"You mean he gave a dig at the BBC for stiching him up for the previous hour? "

oh i see so its not acceptable for people to express their disdain towards the ignorant hate filled bile he was spouting but its acceptable for him to attack the bbc after they invited him on the show?


"Dimbleby treated Griffin with contempt, he was looking down his nose at him saying things like 'what are you laughing at?'....he didn't treat any of the other guests that way and allowed the insults from the audience, any other week he would have pulled people up , very poor chairmanship, supposed to be impartial...."

you mean when dimbleby asked why he was laughing after been question about his comments on the holocaust? tell me did any of the other guests laugh at the discussion of holocaust denial?

where are these insults from dimbleby that youve mentioned and other than the guy calling him dick griffin who else insulted him?

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:55
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"i was hoping he would be quized on his policies and shown up that way.
he wasn't even given the chance to prove what a racist loon he really is."

erm he was

did you forget him being quizzed on his partys policy on immigration and what he considered indigenous population or is it another case of selective memory from the griffin sympathisers?

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 20:56
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do you have a problem with gays not_smog?

jam69 Posted on 23/10/2009 20:57
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"the left wingers showed themelves up"
how do you know their politics beause they dont agree with griffin, neither did the right wing tory.
i think the only people shown up were the closet racists who voted BMP you know the ones who begin every sentence with "iam not racist but............"

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 20:57
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Well no, since the BBC is supposed to pride itself on impartiality.


mark7171 Posted on 23/10/2009 20:59
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i didn't think it came across like that.
sorry if my opinion differs from yours o great one.
im just pleased that the guy is a tool because if he was,even a little bit,smarter he would have handled it better and got a few supporters out of it.

mark7171 Posted on 23/10/2009 21:00
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griffin sympathisers? are you for real?

Goat_herder Posted on 23/10/2009 21:02
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At least Nick Griffin's not a Nazi you know!!! His dad was in the RAF while Jack straws WASN'T..........

Only_Me Posted on 23/10/2009 21:04
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" I'm sure they could have come up with qoutes made in the past by anyone sat on that panel (though not as extreme I agree) and took them to task."


"
I'm pretty sure Mr Straw will have some quite impressive skeletons in his closet."


Too right, he has very dirty hands, does our Jack!

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:05
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"Exactly, most questions were actual rants.

It's a pointless exercise to use the veil of impartiality to invite him on, yet then throw that impartiality away, and turn Queston time into the Nick griffin show."

no they werent he was questioned on stephen gatelys death was that a rant? no

he was asked about islam was that a rant? no

was the guy who asked him about the bnps entrance policy or the lady who asked about what he defined as an ethnic minority ranting? no

seems quite typical of those who are desperate to defend griffin resort to lying and altering what actually happened [rle]

borolad259 Posted on 23/10/2009 21:06
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My old man is a physicist, it doesn't mean that I am.

Tuncays_Cat Posted on 23/10/2009 21:06
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Nick Griffin proved hes a looney loser, but its got to be said Jack Straw showed himself up a bit.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:07
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"At least Nick Griffin's not a Nazi you know!!! His dad was in the RAF while Jack straws WASN'T.........."

[:D]

aye its strange that he attacked the raf that bombed nazi germany considering his dad was in the raf

mark7171 Posted on 23/10/2009 21:07
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_Holgate_Hero
who do you think on this board is defending him?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/10/2009 21:08
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Honestly, those claiming Dimbleby in particular gave him a hard time....

He does it to everyone... have you never watched the show before?

He's torn about several labour ministers in recent weeks and didn't let Jack Straw get away with anything either last night.

The main thing he did was that everytime Griffin lied about having not said something, he interjected... with you know the truth.

Griffin of course isn't used to anyone questioning what he's said as he surrounds himself with yes men, so came across like an arse.

As for the audience, I've said this already on a few other threads. 6.2% (of the vote) in an audience of 150 is about 10 people so the bbc got the balance just right.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:10
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well bren and p_a_m_h are certainly doing a grand job of it

yourself seems to have a habit of picking someones name in a thread and just agreeing with whatever they post you were doing all last night


dodger Posted on 23/10/2009 21:14
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The show was rubbish.
Four liars , a chairman and a museum director.
Throw in a hyped up audience and you get...
8 million viewers .. genius.

Bukowski Posted on 23/10/2009 21:16
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As I predicted, Question Time was nothing but a circus. And nothing was learnt from it.

It was just another excuse for the BBC to show how PC and multicultural it is, in the face of outside criticism.

The actual reasons behind the BNP's popularity were ignored or dismissed i.e. the Labour government's inability to the secure the UK's borders and implement an efficient immigration policy, the fact that many councils prioritise immigrants ahead of British citizens when it comes to housing, and the fact that many businesses currently opt for cheap immigrant labour which leaves too many Brits unemployed.

But Question Time is a dreadful programme at the best of times, with self-righteous panellists often playing to the studio audience in an attempt to massage their own ego. It boils my p~ss more often than not.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 21:16
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Yep, thats right.

Most questions times are always usually dominated by one topic aren’t they.

You'd better chuck in Diane Abbot a s supporter to then matey. Since you know, she had the audacity to highlight the obvious too.

Bonnie Greer was said to have felt the show suffered for it. Is she a supporter too then?

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 21:17
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I haven't mentioned anything about Griffins policies, I mentioned his treatment by the Question Time show last night, I am defending his treatment not his policies, if the BBC were looking to discredit him, they would have done a better job by opening up the debate and less of the insults...

mark7171 Posted on 23/10/2009 21:17
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Is that right, all last night? If someone posts something i agree with i'll say i agree.Im very sorry i've misunderstood the rules of this board.I must have missed an e mail explaining things to me.
At times i find you funny on here, to be fair im mostly laughing at you and not with you.
Your rants and insults makes you come across as someone who has issues and is a touch insercure.
It is possible for people to have different views on things.
I will not be getting into your games.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:20
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"Most questions times are always usually dominated by one topic aren’t they."

neither was this

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 21:23
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So Abbot and Greer were wrong too then? If thats your opinion.

Maybe my TV needs fixing, when was the royal mail brought up? Or Mervyn Kings speech? Or something not race related.

Oh yea right, that hot topic of the dead boyzone singer emerged. Such important news.


_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:25
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"I haven't mentioned anything about Griffins policies, I mentioned his treatment by the Question Time show last night, I am defending his treatment not his policies, if the BBC were looking to discredit him, they would have done a better job by opening up the debate and less of the insults..."

im asking you what were these insults you claim happened

weve established that an audience member called him "dick griffin" so thats one

im also interested to know what insults dimbleby leveled at him as youve previously claimed

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 21:29
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the complete disdain that Dimbelby showed for Griffin was insulting in itself, if he cannot get over his personal feelings then you must question his position as a chairman of a political debate show...

MADMICK Posted on 23/10/2009 21:32
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You'll all have to excuse Holgay_Hero for his bitter ramblings against anything white, im sure he was sexually assaulted by someone wearing an England shirt at some point in his life...no wonder he's turned to muslim extremism as a way of revenge.
Poor B@stard has lost the plot, and thinks its normal to talk to people by resulting to insults..Holgay, you are one sad piece of sh1t [V]
If you think they way to get at Griffin is to throw insults at him instead of engaging him and his policies in a reasonable manner, then you are thicker then people always believe you are (and that takes some f00king doing!)

Just for peoples info..there was a debate on Talksport radio this morning about QT last night, and they had a poll on wether Griffin came out looking worse or better for been on the show, im not sure what the final percent was as i had things to do, but at the time i switched off the radio..91%..yes Holgay..NINETY ONE PERCENT...thought Griffin came out of it looking better not worse for been on QT...but then again, it wasnt a selective audience or panel on TalkSport..was it[:o)][V]

littlejimmy Posted on 23/10/2009 21:34
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"The actual reasons behind the BNP's popularity were ignored or dismissed i.e. the Labour government's inability to the secure the UK's borders and implement an efficient immigration policy, and the fact that many councils prioritise immigrants ahead of British citizens when it comes to housing."

Well the BNP are definitely benefitting from Labour's failures and the way mainstream political parties are ignoring the working classes, but they are also benefitting from people repeating "facts" (i.e. complete BS) like the one about councils giving preference to immigrants that the right wing press put out there.

These kinds of things distort the arguments and mean that sensible debate is impossible, unfortunately.




Link: Facts and fictions

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:37
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"So Abbot and Greer were wrong too then? If thats your opinion.

Maybe my TV needs fixing, when was the royal mail brought up? Or Mervyn Kings speech? Or something not race related.

Oh yea right, that hot topic of the dead boyzone singer emerged. Such important news. "

do you ever watch this show other than last night particularly the show when the banking crisis was the hot topic and the show discussed nothing but that?

as ive said previously you must be naive or pretty stupid if you think show featuring griffins first appearance wasnt going to be dominated by subjects regarding his beliefs and values

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/10/2009 21:39
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Hey MADMICK, did you miss my post on the other thread?

I can find it for you if you want me too.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:39
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"the complete disdain that Dimbelby showed for Griffin was insulting in itself, if he cannot get over his personal feelings then you must question his position as a chairman of a political debate show..."

right so dimbleby didnt exactly insult him he just questioned the ignorant schite he was talking and you obviously perceive that as insulting despite the fact that it isnt really

did you even watch the show?

JohnGannonsUnderpants Posted on 23/10/2009 21:39
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I thought Baroness Warsi came across well. As for Nick Griffin he complained that he is constantly misquoted in the media, and sure enough in todays papers ive seen him misquoted numerous times.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 21:42
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So now you are admitting it was dominated by a particular subject?

Make your mind up son.

By the way there’s still a difference between a show being dominated by a subject (banking crisis) and one dominated by an individual.

Ive never seen question time invite on an individual, to then qualify his presence once he's there.

Otherwise whats the point of the invite.

jam69 Posted on 23/10/2009 21:42
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91% of talksport listeners!i would bet 90% were watching the ten mins freeview on the soft porn channels, i doubt talksport listeners catch question time

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:46
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so basically you dont like the fact the griffin and the bnp were the hot topic but you think its fine that another subject is?

again did you honestly expect anything different?

did you not expect people to question his beliefs and values in an environment that doesnt support him and cant wriggle out of with careful pr? [rle]

MADMICK Posted on 23/10/2009 21:46
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jam69..How do you doubt it?, on what evidence do you doubt it?..how the f00k do you know who listens to talksport?..or are you another of the fmttm sheep, that believes everything the other sheep on here say as"FACT"[:o)]

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 21:49
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When they discussed the Banking crisis they never aimed each question at an individual.



littlejimmy Posted on 23/10/2009 21:50
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Talksport listeners being representative! [:D]

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/10/2009 21:50
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I wouldn't answer any of MADMICKs questions as he's a question dodger himself.

Who gives a XXXXXX about his opinion basically?

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:50
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"When they discussed the Banking crisis they never aimed each question at an individual."

again what did you expect? have you been living under a rock for the last month?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 21:53
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I expected Question time.

Otherwise it's pointless having a panel there.

Goat_herder Posted on 23/10/2009 21:54
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the complete disdain that Dimbelby showed for Griffin was insulting in itself, if he cannot get over his personal feelings then you must question his position as a chairman of a political debate show...


I don't claim to be "in the know" about anything political. I watched last nights show out of curiousity only. As a person with an open mind, and a limited knowledge of politics, I thought the whole show was about a personal assault on Nick Griffin. He spent the whole show defending himself against "I didn't actually say that" comments. I don't believe in racism, but I do believe in free speech, and I thought Griffin maintained a dignified attitude throughout the show. He may, or may not be a racist.....I do not know. A political debate became a lynch mob show las night! When you're under personal attack for such a prolonged period, a natural defence mechanism is to smile! When asked a question about a serious matter, and then to say "why are you smiling...this is serious", shows a serious lack of understanding by the host! The whole show smacks of double standards.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 21:56
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living under a rock then [:o)]

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 21:58
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[^] nice

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 22:01
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goat_herder....my sentiments exactly, they showed themselves up totally, the show and the BBC, it ws totally out of hand, if they set out to discredit Griffin, they failed misearably, they got carried away with sentiment and stopped thinking...

Goat_herder Posted on 23/10/2009 22:01
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Who's living under a rock?

MADMICK Posted on 23/10/2009 22:02
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Smogmonster, what the f00k are you on about you doyle?..what question and were?..and if my opinion doesnt matter, why the f00k do you want me to answer some question?..DOH[:o)]

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 22:06
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i reckon timidmick got knocked back by his pooch tonight

its obviously why hes so angry

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 22:07
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I agree John about Baroness Warsi

For me she's the only one who came out with any credit

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/10/2009 22:07
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As you can't seem to manage multiple threads Mick....


Link: A link for you

jam69 Posted on 23/10/2009 22:08
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well i do some work for rajar collecting information on radio listening so i do have a good idea of the talksport listener,politically mainly right wing, mostly read the sport, star or sun and drink carling

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 22:11
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"well i do some work for rajar collecting information on radio listening so i do have a good idea of the talksport listener,politically mainly right wing, mostly read the sport, star or sun and drink carling"

timidmick gets smacked down yet again! [:D]

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 23/10/2009 22:11
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Honestly. An extremist, racist organisation gets an invite to a mainstream political program for the first time (that I can recall) and some of you are wondering why they got so much scrutiny. The leader puts in a shambolic performance and it was all someone elses fault. Why shouldn't someone who denies the holocaust be asked a direct question about that? Or someone who wants to expel millions of citizens be asked why? Griffin had plenty of chances to put his point of view over and could barely construct an argument. I'm all for freedom of speech. But lets face it, he was thoroughly shown up by a very lightweight panel.

MADMICK Posted on 23/10/2009 22:13
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Smogmonster, ive just looked back through those threads, and i dont see any question youve asked?...care to ask what it is now while you have my undevided (well not actually, you'll have to share it with Holgay and his mate the Puff and warwick hunts) attention[^]

Goat_herder Posted on 23/10/2009 22:18
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I disagree with you catflap. Most importantly, it WASN'T a political debate, it was a show where the main political parties, plus sundries (museum experts), joined up to commence a personal affront on someone that the general public see as a fair target. Im not a Griffin fan, but he deserves free speech as much as the next man!

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/10/2009 22:19
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Why arn't you posting it in the thread I've given you?

You're coming across as a right chicken you know.

You challenged something that was said, I put you right, I'd be interested to know your opinions.

If you want to argue my statments do it in the thread eh?

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 22:20
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well said catflaps [^]

SplendidStuff Posted on 23/10/2009 22:22
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Goat Herder, Miss Greer has a phd in history and knows a bit or two about the history of this and many other countries.

Much more knowlegable than a politician on such affairs.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 22:24
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Agree it was never a political debate

There was no order, it was mob rule

MADMICK Posted on 23/10/2009 22:25
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SM..ive just told you, i cant see where you asked me a question, only asking me to answer one, THAT I CANT F00KING FIND!" SHEEESH![:o)][:D]

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 22:26
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could you imagine if a muslim extremist came on and the same mob rule ensued and they got the insults, it would be classed as racism by the lefties.....

SplendidStuff Posted on 23/10/2009 22:26
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Abuse??!!

They asked him questions [:D]

mark7171 Posted on 23/10/2009 22:28
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_Holgate_Hero
'yourself seems to have a habit of picking someones name in a thread and just agreeing with whatever they post you were doing all last night'
_Holgate_Hero
'well said catflaps [^]'
mark7171
'Bren_MFC well said'
just explain the difference to me please?

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 22:28
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"could you imagine if a muslim extremist came on and the same mob rule ensued and they got the insults, it would be classed as racism by the lefties....."

only in your pathetic black and white world of ignorance bren [^]

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/10/2009 22:28
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I want to know your thoughts on what I've posted there Mick... come on I'm guessing you're not that thick.

Goat_herder Posted on 23/10/2009 22:28
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I dont disagree with you about greer. All I'm saying is, wether you like it or not, when Griffin had a nano second to reply with a credible response, he did it well. But it was still a show about a bunch of main party politicians...plus sundries...ganging up on a "fair game" target! Do you disagree?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 22:29
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Yep if there was a reverse and there was a show based on a left-wing panel with a right-wing audience baying for blood I bet they wouldn't get away with it...

SplendidStuff Posted on 23/10/2009 22:31
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"when Griffin had a nano second to reply with a credible response,"


Where is this idea coming from thta he had no time to respond without heckles and boo's?

He had as much time as anyone and was not cut short at all.

I dont even know why i need justify this, its historically recorded for everyone to watch.

jam69 Posted on 23/10/2009 22:36
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pogatetz do you think that the only people who disagree with the BNP are "lefties"? you really do need to get out more

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 22:36
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"I dont even know why i need justify this, its historically recorded for everyone to watch."

theres interesting parallels between the apologists on here lying and claiming something happened on a show that didnt despite recorded evidence and griffin last night lying about quotes he made when it was mentioned there existed youtube videos proving otherwise

Bren_MFC Posted on 23/10/2009 22:36
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we've all watched it and he was set up from the start, not talking about his political beliefs, just the way the show was handled and he was definitely set up and Dimbleby didn't try to get the hecklers off track, he revelled in it...

SplendidStuff Posted on 23/10/2009 22:38
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'Set up' [:D]


Queston time, you ask someone a question. [:D]





Goat_herder Posted on 23/10/2009 22:38
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Where is this idea coming from thta he had no time to respond without heckles and boo's?

He had as much time as anyone and was not cut short at all.

My point is that, he didnt have as much time as anyone else to respond, cos NO-ONE else needed to respond. The whole programme was about an affront on Griffin!

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 22:39
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"pogatetz do you think that the only people who disagree with the BNP are "lefties"? you really do need to get out more"

odd isnt it?

particularly warsi the tory who was very vocal i wonder if bren and co will try to convince us that shes a "lefty"

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 22:40
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Did I say that? No

The majority of the audience were ethnic groups and lefties

They cheered Jack Straw's every word though he was awful and even the crook of a Home Secretary Jacqui Smith got a cheer when they revealed she'd be on next time

SplendidStuff Posted on 23/10/2009 22:40
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Goat Herder, that makes absolutely no sense at all[:o)]

SplendidStuff Posted on 23/10/2009 22:41
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"The majority of the audience were ethnic groups and lefties"

Head count shows more white english than 'darkies' [:D]

How do you tell someone is a lefty from appearance, could be useful information[:D]

MADMICK Posted on 23/10/2009 22:42
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Its quite funny really on here, the same people who think we should allow whoever wants to come to these isles to come here, are the same people who think people born here should'nt be allowed the right to speak...bunch of hypocrites, and they think they have a right to force THIER policies on everyone else to boot!!..you could'nt make it up![^]

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 23/10/2009 22:44
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Fair do's goat_herder, we'll have to disagree. I thought he got a fair crack of the whip myself, but was completely useless. Should have been subbed, it was that bad.

The thing is, there are some genuine searching questions to be answered about our society - the economic crisis, crime, whether multiculturalism has worked etc, but can anyone hand on heart say that the BNP have the answers after watching that?

I've heard people of right wing persuasion saying all day that it was a set up, an invited panel and audience of lefties and muslims. 'They all attacked him'. When did the right become so whiny? Grow some XXXXXX for XXXXXXs sake and argue and defend your point of view!

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 23/10/2009 22:44
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Any good point Griffin made got afew claps from those who dare clap but they were silenced quickly by the audience.

Watch the show again it's obvious they were left-wing idiots

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 22:46
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"The majority of the audience were ethnic groups and lefties"

prove it otherwise people will treat your lies and fabrication with the contempt it deserves

in fact seeing as i like you so much ive provided you with a screengrab of the audience (well with the exception of a few who werent in shot) perhaps youd like to tell us all who are the "lefties" [^]


Link: click

Goat_herder Posted on 23/10/2009 22:46
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Splendid stuff....my argument makes perfect sense to me....but thats cos Im blotto. I get the feelin you're botting out on this one.....I'll re-read again in the morning to get me facts right! [^]

SplendidStuff Posted on 23/10/2009 22:48
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Nice picture HH, look at all those dirty muslims and left wingers, you can see the stench from here [^][:D]

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 22:51
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Funny since this threads more what I'd liken to last nights Question time!

Since the communists have turned up.








Link: and the music......

TeessideCleveland Posted on 23/10/2009 22:56
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'I doubt we'll be seeing Gordon Brown thrown infront of a far right-wing audience anytime soon'


Pogatetz if you are suggesting that was a far left wing audience....

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 23:01
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i wonder if this is the show that bren br14 p_a_m_h and mark717171 watched [:D]


Link: click

jam69 Posted on 23/10/2009 23:02
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pogatetz you may not like to hear this but some of those black and brown faces you saw in the crowd are as english as me and you, even that right wing tory MP with the brown looking face

SplendidStuff Posted on 23/10/2009 23:05
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So to conclude.


Nick Griffin is a racist holocaust denier.

Jack Straw needs to sort out immigration.

The BNP are a joke.

mark7171 Posted on 23/10/2009 23:07
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i'll post this again for you.

_Holgate_Hero
'yourself seems to have a habit of picking someones name in a thread and just agreeing with whatever they post you were doing all last night'
_Holgate_Hero
'well said catflaps [^]'
mark7171
'Bren_MFC well said'
just explain the difference to me please?
Who do think on here is supporting Griffin, just so we are clear.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 23/10/2009 23:07
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Which conclusion is that from?

MADMICK Posted on 23/10/2009 23:09
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Holgay, you really are getting ate up over a tv show arnt you?[:D]

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 23:11
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the difference is mark that you went around cherry picking whos comments you agreed to without being aware that often they were conflicting each other and the complete polar opposite

seems to were trying to arse lick as many folk as possible [ref]

mark7171 Posted on 23/10/2009 23:17
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Not cherry picking or arse licking.Why would anyone 'arse lick' people on a site that they have never met or are not likely to meet.
Just comments that i agree with.
Is this because i've never agreed with anything you have to say. Can your ego not take it?
When i watched the the show last night i agreed that he was getting a good hiding on QT and wasn't coming across well at all.
Today, i think it would have been better if he was to have been able to dig a deeper hole for himself than he did.

_Holgate_Hero Posted on 23/10/2009 23:19
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you were though mark you poor confused bairn [sad]