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borobadge Posted on 21/10/2009 18:20
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theyd whip these irreverent young playboys into shape...

the new clough and taylor, just like the good old days

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 21/10/2009 18:22
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Brine is now living and working in Australia. Maybe employ Foggy as dietician.

borobadge Posted on 21/10/2009 18:29
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peter can manage via the t'internet..like most do onhere ![LOVE]

pkb53 Posted on 14/11/2009 11:49
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Actually I own a restaurant in Australia and I wish Foggy was over here, I would make a fortune!

boamscoresagain Posted on 14/11/2009 12:09
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Scored a good goal on a rare match of the day appearance. [^]

gerry_mander Posted on 14/11/2009 12:10
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the real Peter Brine, on line ?

borobadge Posted on 14/11/2009 12:15
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i'd forgotten that i had posted this....

wonder where fatty foggon is ?


5 foot 8
losing weight
alan foggon's
phuqing great
la la la laa la la laa la laaa

Peachy Posted on 14/11/2009 12:18
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tell us some stories about big jack peter please....[^]

borobadge Posted on 14/11/2009 12:25
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in his footballing heyday...


Link: peter brine

erimus74 Posted on 14/11/2009 12:28
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I was there when he made his debut, liked him as a player, Foggon also.

Foggon was signed 2weeks for 10,000 before Graham Souness was signed 35,000, 2 good buys by Stan Anderson IMO

borobadge Posted on 14/11/2009 12:31
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graeme !

born is the king of ayresome park ....

and for what amount of money?

i'd hazard less than 30,000 for the pair !!!

so how did peter brine a londoner end up @ the boro ?

pkb53 Posted on 14/11/2009 12:43
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i don't think I would be allowed to print any stories about big Jack. He was a great coach that expected more than 100% every game. He was also one of the most forgetful blokes you could ever meet. One game at Fulham he told Jimmy our trainer to put Malcolm Smith as substitute but he meant to say me. When Smithy sat on the bench, Jack asked Jimmy why Smithy was on the bench.

pkb53 Posted on 14/11/2009 12:47
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I was with Charlton as schoolboy but my father was from North Ormsby and he wanted me to trial for the Boro. I signed in July 1968, a week after my 15th birthday.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 14/11/2009 12:55
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To be honest, I never really saw much of you as a player, Peter. I didn't start going until 1977. I was talking to David Mills the other week in the pub and some while back, was talking to John Craggs as well. Seen a few funny stories about Big Jack in Willie Maddren's book. Also read an interview with Stuart Boam recalling one of Jack's team-talks where he mentions the opposition centre forward who scored 5 the week before - "...but don't worry, 4 of them were flukes." at which point the whole squad were bursting to laugh but didn't dare as Jack was totally serious.

Ayresomes_on_Fire Posted on 14/11/2009 12:55
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Didn't you have a stint in the MLS with Frank Spraggon..??

addison-road Posted on 14/11/2009 12:57
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Peter...I'd like to thank you and your team mates for providing some of the best times I've had watching football.....cheers[^]

2-2 at Ellend Road was a hell of a day.

Halle_Burton Posted on 14/11/2009 13:01
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My neighbour wa a kit man at boro for years and knows a lot of the old players, Foggon is on permanent nights as a security guard but cant remember where.

His previous job as landlord of the wheatsheaf in spennymor ended sharply as it was located between a bookies and a chippy so little time was spent behind the bar[:D]

PRTEESSIDE Posted on 14/11/2009 13:04
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Don't know whether Peter will remember me but I was in 2nd Hartburn cub scouts and he and Malcolm Smith showed us around Ayresome Park on a cub pack trip.Think they were apprentices at the time.
Probably in about 1969 or 1970.
Believe it or not I have still got the autographs.
Happy days.

pkb53 Posted on 14/11/2009 13:07
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I played with Frank and Alan Willey for Minnesota Kicks I NASL in 1976. I wanted to go back and play the next year but Jack would not let me go.

Peachy Posted on 14/11/2009 13:07
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peter when your sat watching the sun go down on your porch in oz which games do you remember most ?

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 14/11/2009 13:11
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"Foggon is on permanent nights as a security guard but cant remember where"

Surely Alan should try and find out where he's supposed to be working.

pkb53 Posted on 14/11/2009 13:11
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I can remember a number of occasions I showed groups around the ground and the facilities. You are right Smithy and I were apprentices in 69 and 70. We signed pro in 1970.

Halle_Burton Posted on 14/11/2009 13:12
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Why thats how he played his football and ran his life[:O]

Was interesting to hear what a lot of the ex players are doing now and what personalities they were but due to excess alcohol that evening i cant remember much more[:o)]

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 14/11/2009 13:13
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"His previous job as landlord of the wheatsheaf in spennymor ended sharply as it was located between a bookies and a chippy so little time was spent behind the bar"

[:D] HB

Kriv Posted on 14/11/2009 13:17
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Peter.........how many points clear at the top would Big Jack's side be this season?

I reckon at least 6 points.

pkb53 Posted on 14/11/2009 13:18
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I sit down on my balcony every night after we close the restaurant and reflect quite often about my playing days.
I remember quite a number of games with with fondness but it's the game like the league cup semi-final against Man City where we lost 4-0 and the 6th round of the FA Cup against Birmingham again we lost 1-0 that I often think of what might have been. I suppose my fondest memory is playing against Arsenal at home and scoring after 38 seconds and also telling Malcolm Macdonald to politely ---- off.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 14/11/2009 13:22
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"I suppose my fondest memory is playing against Arsenal at home and scoring after 38 seconds and also telling Malcolm Macdonald to politely ---- off." [:D]

Well done that man! [^]

I'm sure most Boro fans who have ever listened to the stick Supergob gives us on the radio would happily buy you a pint for that alone.

pkb53 Posted on 14/11/2009 13:23
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It would be great if we could actually see how the team of 73 - 74 would fare in todays game.

pkb53 Posted on 14/11/2009 13:26
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Guys, I have a restaurant to close up. The time here is 11:25 pm and the natives are getting restless. It's been great having a chat. I hope the lads can turn their season around pretty soon.

Cheers
Peter

PRTEESSIDE Posted on 14/11/2009 13:29
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Pity you could not have made it over for the former players gala dinner at the Riverside next Friday.

There are a lot of your contemporaries who will be there Platty, Craggsy, Big Stuart, Big John, Spike (I think) etc etc

Peachy Posted on 14/11/2009 13:31
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are you not watching oz v oman [:O]pete ?

thanks for the memories !

Ayresomes_on_Fire Posted on 14/11/2009 13:34
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Rob will be gutted he missed this..!!

What would we give for some of the 74' spirit these days..!!

CrazyL Posted on 14/11/2009 13:47
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XXXXXX me! What a great thread. Got me all melancholy here[cr] Those two games that PB mentioned were my earliest introduction to the lifelong disappointments of a Boro fan. We beat Birmingham 3-0 twice in the league that year I think? Then in the quarter final Big Jack went looking for a replay and we came unstuck. The 2nd leg at Maine Road was just a disaster. Happy days. Stewy Boam was my first hero.

fatsuma Posted on 14/11/2009 13:49
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That picture - that kit - those memories!

There was not much wrong with football as a game in those days!

For all the showbiz of the Premier League - we're missing something that we had then!!


Peachy Posted on 14/11/2009 13:51
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I remember crying all the way back to the car with my dad & uncle after the city game. Everything went wrong and the boro coach only arrived a half hour before kick off if my memory serves me right. PB will know more but he's deserted us !

fatsuma Posted on 14/11/2009 14:03
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My first Boro game was just after Peter's debut.

November '72. Home to Burnley. Peter didn't play.

Malcolm Smith was the sub that day according to the programme - but I now wonder if Jack got it wrong!!

[smi]

Peachy Posted on 14/11/2009 14:10
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My mates dad knew big jack very well and I often sat down to tea with him. Was one fellah that always fascinated me as kids he had quite a aura around him and though he did speak to you & was friendly you would never ever dissrespect him.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 14/11/2009 14:12
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"It would be great if we could actually see how the team of 73 - 74 would fare in todays game"

10 years ago, I went to a do at the Ladle celebrating the 25th anniversary of Jack Charlton's team winning promotion. Due to ill health, Willie Maddren couldn't make it, but Ali Brownlie who was compering had spoke to him beforehand and said he asked how the 1973-74 side would do against the then Boro side of 1998-99. Willie told him that the 74 side would win 1-0. "Only 1-0" Alistair said he asked him. Willie replied "Well, most of us are pushing 50 now, Graeme Souness has had a triple heart by-pass and I'm in a wheelchair!"

littledick Posted on 14/11/2009 14:13
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In 73-74 season, it was usually Peter Brine on bench for away games, and Malcolm Smith for home games.

Was talking to Alan Foggon in a Thirsk take-away shop after the races last summer (2008), and although I was half-cut, I seem to remember him saying he ran a pub in North (or was it South ?) Shields............he seemed very quiet, and didn't want to chat

scooby Posted on 14/11/2009 14:14
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Brilliant thread!

borobadge Posted on 14/11/2009 14:26
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" Ali Brownlie who was compering had spoke to him beforehand and said he asked how the 1973-74 side would do against the then Boro side of 1998-99. Willie told him that the 74 side would win 1-0. "Only 1-0" Alistair said he asked him. Willie replied "Well, most of us are pushing 50 now, Graeme Souness has had a triple heart by-pass and I'm in a wheelchair!"

absolutely brilliant....laughing me head off.


we need to find Alan Foggon, i know he was with the skunks and played a abit for manu and cardiff....but us boro fans from that era really 'love' the bloke, he may not know that !!! but he should.


and as for peter brine, well what a star, logging in and giving us an insight like that...thanks.

Peachy Posted on 14/11/2009 14:28
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THE INTERVIEW BETWEEN THE BOARD AND BIG JACK IS A LEGEND IN ITSELF. Amer began quizzing him about his suitability and after a few minutes jack stood up slapped piece of paper in front of him clearly stating HIS demands and said you've got 2 minutes to decide I'll be outside. CLASSIC.

erimus74 Posted on 14/11/2009 15:16
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I was 13 at the time and can say 73-74 was my fav time as Boro fan ever, closly followed by 74-75, magic times, great football, atmosphere at AP then was brill.

I remember a saturday ,morning just before the season started I had entered a compatition in the sports gazette and won 1st prize, the iconic 73-74 Boro top came wrapped in a big brown bag.

Recently, via ebay,I won a 28 mins DVD Palace v Boro september 1973, not the best quality, but just watching the players in their prime, including Foggan, great,great times

Peachy Posted on 14/11/2009 16:25
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get that dvd up on youtube erimus[^]

totally agree 73-4 74-5 will always be my favourite seasons. I travelled all over the country in 74-5 with my dad and uncle I think we only missed 3 or 4 away games.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 14/11/2009 16:32
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I was at Sunderland Poly in the 70's. I remember getting the train down to a night match and meeting a couple of blokes from Stanley who were Boro fans.

Anyway, the train was late getting in and we had to run to Ayresome, missing the kick off and the first goal, I think it was scored by Peter Brine. We went on to win 3-0 that night. What a cracking little side we had around that time. Always fell at the final hurdle but it was an era that was my favourite following the Boro.

Peachy Posted on 14/11/2009 16:38
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that would be have been against ipswich I reckon. 74-5. Not a lot of people remember but we also had an amazing season in 1977 I think we wre 5th at easter then lost every game to the end of the season !!!!!

fattyfoggon Posted on 14/11/2009 16:42
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favourite time as well hence the username, one of the best things was you never expected lose at home in them days ... unlike now, If only Jack had blown a bit of money on a top Striker (and not Alf Wood) who knows where we would finished

Peachy Posted on 14/11/2009 16:47
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I might be wron but I seem to remember shankly tipping boro for the title easter 1975. We had a massive game at maine road over easter and thousands travelled across but we got edged out 1-0 and didn't recover.

erimus74 Posted on 14/11/2009 17:14
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You're right Peachy, I have afew DVD's of the match of 70's by Dennis Waterman, copies mind are not too good quality after copying from videos, there was an interview when Bill Shankly said' I fancy Middlesbrough they are the dark horses for me' and as usual Boro slipped up when it mattered, Derby at home winning 1-0 when ......

But still, never to be repeated great times.

A big collection of my memorabilia is from that period as it meant so much to me

Wrong with the score though at City, we lost 2-1 I was there, we went by beeline parked outside the ground and went in their end, the kippax by mistake, they chased us out we then paid in the seats behind the goal(50p)still got my ticket, and after the gamegot our bus window put through leaving the ground.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 14/11/2009 17:43
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"Boro slipped up when it mattered, Derby at home winning 1-0 when ......"

Wasn't that when Boam gave a really daft goal away at the end and when he went back to the dressing room at full time Jack threw a milk crate at him?

aa365 Posted on 14/11/2009 17:47
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fatty foggon used to regularly sit on a bar stool in the horse and jockey....fell off the fu*ker one night !!...class.....wonder what big jack thought about it??[:D][^]

erimus74 Posted on 14/11/2009 19:11
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foggysfplandiet thats it, Kevin Hector scored, minutes to go, I think the latter of the game was played in a blizzard, had to do my paper round after the game and remembering walking around in a trance, gutted, we never ususally gave things away at home.

Though who remebers the 4-4 home draw v Coventry, when with about 20 minutes to go we ere leading 3-1.

We finished 7th that season, behind stoke and sheff u, sheff u got relegated the following season

foggysfplandiet Posted on 14/11/2009 19:15
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Yeah I remember the Coventry match and I remember winning 3-1 against the swine in 1975/6 with 2 minutes to go and we ended up drawing 3-3.

Typical Boro! [rle]

littledick Posted on 14/11/2009 19:22
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Aye, wasn't it the 2 full backs who scored

Irving Nattrass & Alan Kennedy [V]

Hadn't Glen Keeley scored our 3rd with a diving header own goal [:D]

borolad259 Posted on 14/11/2009 19:28
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Fantastic thread. My favourite time as a Boro fan was the early 70s. Even when fatty Foggon was ploughing through the mud on a miserable cold winters' day, there was something about him out-sprinting defenders that could warm the frostiest of hearts.

erimus74 Posted on 14/11/2009 19:31
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I, glen keeley, he scored the OG then, I think, equalised to make it 3-3.

I rememmber walking down the holgate steps with us winning 3-1 when a jawdee started jumping up and down with a radio glued to his ear shouting it's 3-3.

Looking back he can't of been a jawdee as he didn't have abig belly or a ucasul top on

red_shamrock Posted on 14/11/2009 19:35
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I walked out of the North stand at 3-1 ..got to the corner where the shop was..heard a roar 3-2.... looked back and carried on walking by the time I got to the middle of the General Hospital 3-3.

Still cant believe it.

strof Posted on 14/11/2009 19:40
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i was there sitting in the east end seats got a great view of keeleys own goal. didnt we play with an orange ball that day. whatever happened to them[?] though didnt one make an appearance at slumberland recently[:D]

red_shamrock Posted on 14/11/2009 19:45
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Wonder if you can help, during the late 60s 1968/69/70 at Ayresome park we played a game
it was knee deep in mud and in the oppositions goal mouth..hell broke loose a big punch up seemed to go on for ages.

Only Willie Wigham wasnt involved can anybody remember it?

loftusloyal Posted on 14/11/2009 20:04
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im sure brine played in goal agaist sunderland away in league cup ,we drew 2 ,2 ,won second leg 1, 0 ,big stuart boam scoring ,first time in holgate ,atmosphere electric ,after match 5000 boro walking down middle of linthorpe road singing boro 1 barstewards 0 ,those were the days ,this shower coudnt lace any of those lads boots .

thornabyred Posted on 14/11/2009 20:08
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away game was a night match if I am right,3 of us got chased from the flats just up from the ground to just before the bridge. Crates of milk bottles flying through the air across the road.
Never been so happy to jump on a bus to escape then when we got to the middle of the bridge it was full of Boro lads trying to throw mackems off the bridge.

erimus74 Posted on 14/11/2009 20:16
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loftusloyal Peter Brine did go in goal, though in the repaly, not 2nd leg, I think Pat Cuff was in goal

foggysfplandiet Posted on 14/11/2009 20:18
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"Hadn't Glen Keeley scored our 3rd with a diving header own goal"

That was the best own goal I've EVER seen, any centre forward would have been proud of it in the opposition net, it was a bullet! I'll never forget the look of disgust on Keeley's face, only bettered by the look on the geordie keeper Mike Mahoney's face - I thought Mahoney was going to kill him. [:D]


RedHert Posted on 14/11/2009 20:49
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excellent thread, It was The BEST era great times in 73 but 74/75 I was ball boy for the season and have some great memories of Big Jacks rants at the team and particularly at the refs!
Thanks for the memories Peter, I always loved your accent been the only southerner did'nt know youre dad was from Boro, what an excellent Dad getting you to come and play for his team!

littledick Posted on 14/11/2009 20:58
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erimus74

The game at Joker Park was the first game, finished 2-2 I think

Replay was 1-0 at Ayresome I think (Boam header ?)

Having said all that, didn't David Armstrong play in goal at Joker once ?

erimus74 Posted on 14/11/2009 21:01
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No it was Peter Brine, I still remember the back page of the mirror showing Platty being stretchered off and Brine in goal

borobadge Posted on 14/11/2009 23:43
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come on boro

pkb53 Posted on 15/11/2009 09:42
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Yes, I did play in goal against Sunderland. Platty got a smack in the head and was seeing stars. I think he should have stayed on because that was the best I had seen him play. Only joking, he was pretty badly concussed. However, I was pretty ordinary and my respect for keepers after that game rose to a new height.

aa365 Posted on 15/11/2009 09:50
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Peter...I can remember you going out to Hobart with my mate Eric Young who won the Rothmans Gold Medal while out there...(Tasmanias equivalent of Sportsview Personality)[^]

pkb53 Posted on 15/11/2009 10:51
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You are right. Youngy was a great player in Hobart and indeed he deservedly won the Rothmans medal. I heard he went home and joined the police force. He's a great lad.

littledick Posted on 15/11/2009 11:08
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Pete,

Didn't you score a goal in the last game of the season @ Preston, when it seemed like 95% of the crowd were from the Boro ?

What was your favourite Boro goal ?

Which player was your best 'off the field' mate ?

Not wishing to be nosey (but I'm sure most of us are curious [:D]), but what sort of wages, and bonus structures did the club pay in those days under Big Jack ?

CrazyL Posted on 15/11/2009 11:13
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I remember that Derby equaliser. Can still see it in my minds eye. Kevin Hector scored it and my grandad tortured me all the way home cos Boamy could do no wrong in my 6 year old eyes[smi]

Peachy Posted on 15/11/2009 11:27
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Peter will know more but I do remember that jack was infamously tight with everything and everyone ( maybe due to his upbringing ). There are stories that club blazers were offered for getting promotion !

borobadge Posted on 15/11/2009 11:40
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just look what it means to souness , boam and co....

bobby murdoch r.i.p.


Link: both in away kits !!

pkb53 Posted on 15/11/2009 13:05
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I scored 2 goals, ailthough Foggy tried to claim one of them because it would have made his tally 20 for the season.

pkb53 Posted on 15/11/2009 13:20
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Didn't you score a goal in the last game of the season @ Preston, when it seemed like 95% of the crowd were from the Boro ?

What was your favourite Boro goal ?

Which player was your best 'off the field' mate ?

Not wishing to be nosey (but I'm sure most of us are curious ), but what sort of wages, and bonus structures did the club pay in those days under Big Jack ?

My favourite Boro goal was my first for the club against Cardiff at home in 1973.

My best off field mate was spikey (david armstrong) we roomed together for a few years and he was a really good shag.

Big Jack was a tight arse in his personal life and business.

I remember my lats contract negotiations with Jack for the 76/77 season. I asked him for a contact of 100 pounds per week. He said why do you want to earn 100 pounds a week? the tax man will take most of it. I said to him how much do you earn a week? He did not tell me but I got the 100 pounds per week. I also got 30 pounds appearance and 25 pounds a point. Don't quote me. but I think at that time we were pretty close to the lowest paid players in the first dibvision. However, life is not about money, I felt privaleded just to play for and with a great team.

borobadge Posted on 15/11/2009 18:45
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finally tracked down Alan Foggon....

july this year...




Link: the simonside arms

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 15/11/2009 18:48
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I was working up in Jarrow a few years, said hello to him in the town centre there. He must have been looking for a saveloy dip, heaviest sandwich I've had.

littledick Posted on 15/11/2009 19:00
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Big thanks for answering those questions Pete

Any more 'inside anecdotes' you'd like to share with us fans who remember the 70's with alot of affection ?

piston_broke Posted on 15/11/2009 19:26
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Peter, Its been a pleasure reading your comments and us older boro fans appreciate you taking the time to come on board and tell us your tales..... Can you give us a name check for your restaurant in oz.... im in brisbane next year and i'd love to pop in if its nearby. [:D]

Gillandi Posted on 15/11/2009 19:36
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"However, life is not about money, I felt privaleded just to play for and with a great team."

What a brilliant and now sadly completely extinct attitude. Nice one Mr Brine.[^]

borobadge Posted on 15/11/2009 19:36
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platty has been out to see him...


Link: a touch of salt...

borobadge Posted on 15/11/2009 19:47
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here we go, the venue...

if i'm ever in N.E. Australia, i'll be taking a visit..


Link: a touch of salt...

synthonia Posted on 15/11/2009 19:49
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I used to deliver your milk when you lived on the Glebe in Norton. Can't remember if you gave me a tip at Christmas though[;)]

onthemap Posted on 15/11/2009 20:01
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What a great thread[^]

erimus74 Posted on 15/11/2009 20:22
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Fantastic thread, which just reinforces that football is all but finished with this 'greed in good PL'

So happy I witnessed the 70's following the Boro, 73-74,white chest band, black & blue kit, beeline & begs, buzzing AP, not all the time mind,loved it, loved it, loved it

borobadge Posted on 15/11/2009 23:55
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its certainly been entertaining..

and it would be good for us all if more former players who have the same honesty, integrity and passion of Peter Brine....

where to post on here..

Shaun71 Posted on 15/11/2009 23:57
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Exactly BB

Nice restaurant Peter, and nice name too. Wasnt 'Salty' your nickname while at The Boro?


Link: Nice Gaff!

Shaun71 Posted on 15/11/2009 23:58
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Ah just seen your earlier post BB!

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 02:22
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Nice restaurant Peter, and nice name too. Wasnt 'Salty' your nickname while at The Boro?

Link: Nice Gaff!

Thanks Shaun, yes my nickname was "Salty". The name for the restaurant came from my son Michael's wife maiden name "Touch" and of course our name "Brine". Mark my oldest son runs the front of house and Michael my youngest son is the chef. I work hard at selecting and drinking the wines and my wife, like all women, moans because I drink too much.
It's also quite ironic that you mention 'Nice Gaff". I am opening another restaurant in about 4 months here in Townsville and I calling it "The Gaff".

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 03:22
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I used to deliver your milk when you lived on the Glebe in Norton. Can't remember if you gave me a tip at Christmas though

I'm sure I would have given you a tip. It wouldn't have been much though. A little bit of Jack probably rubbed off.

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 03:28
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im in brisbane next year and i'd love to pop in if its nearby.

Townsviile is about 1200kms North of Brisbane on the Great Barrier Reef also known as Tropical North Queensland. If you get up this far, I would love to meet and have a chat. I might even buy you a beer, but, then again, I might not! (only joking). It would be the least I could do.

synthonia Posted on 16/11/2009 07:11
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[:D]

Piggy Posted on 16/11/2009 07:52
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When I was a kid (possibly 1974)I remember seeing Peter walking down Sturt Drive in Norton wearing what we thought was a particularly cool leather jacket, the sort you saw in The Sweeney.

In fact, it fired us young boro fans up so much that we went and got our scarfs out and then 'ran' the one Leeds fan amongst us all the way back to his house.

CrazyL Posted on 16/11/2009 10:30
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I've just had a look at Townsville on the map. Im gonna be wantin more than the one beer if I make it PB!!! They kept on talkin bout Townsville during the Ashes cos I think Phil Hughes (failed Aussie opener) is from there?

gerry_mander Posted on 16/11/2009 12:23
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anyone going to Cairns could do a de-tour into townsville

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 12:37
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I've just had a look at Townsville on the map. Im gonna be wantin more than the one beer if I make it PB!!! They kept on talkin bout Townsville during the Ashes cos I think Phil Hughes (failed Aussie opener) is from there?

Actually it's Mitchell Johnson from Townsville. Ok you can have 2 beers!

TeeSv Posted on 16/11/2009 12:40
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Peter - did you know/play with Peter Creamer ? Know he wasn't a regular like you in the 1st team but around at the same time

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 12:48
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Peter - did you know/play with Peter Creamer ? Know he wasn't a regular like you in the 1st team but around at the same time

Yes, I know the "cake" very well. He is a great guy and was a good friend. When I was home in 1999 I caught up with Peter, Frank Spraggon, Foggy, Malcolm Smith, Pat Cuff, Platty and Jim Cochrane. We had a nice night at my friends place. Platty recently contacted me about the players get together this weekend but unfortunately business here in Townsville means I can't make it.

TeeSv Posted on 16/11/2009 12:53
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cheers Peter, didn't know he got called 'cake.' He's a mate of mine although I don't see him as much as I used to. Had a pint with him a couple of weeks ago, as you said, a great fella. He managed the Coronation Pub at Acklam for a while but has now moved back up to work and live in Bishop Auckland.

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 12:53
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When I was a kid (possibly 1974)I remember seeing Peter walking down Sturt Drive in Norton wearing what we thought was a particularly cool leather jacket, the sort you saw in The Sweeney.

I remember the leather coat. I think my Brother-in-law in London knocked it off and I got it at a good price. However, i don't know how it would inspire you to have a go at your poor mate who was a Leeds fan. Just think how he is feeling now if he still supports them.

Piggy Posted on 16/11/2009 12:59
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He converted to Boro soon afterwards, Peter. Threw his sock ties with the numbers on into the bin and deserted Bremner and Co for thirty years without a trophy.

Still, it made his walking home from school that much safer for him.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 16/11/2009 12:59
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Top thread, making me all nostalgic. I started going to Ayresome with my dad in the early '70s, only home game I missed in about 10 years was the 8-0 thrashing of Sheffield Wednesday (regret it to this day).
It's easy to reminisce about "the good old days" but at least in those days there was empathy between the terraces and the players, you knew they were just like you, only lucky enough to play football for a "living". Todays pampered millionaires could never connect with the crowd in the same way.

erimus74 Posted on 16/11/2009 13:04
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Hi Peter I have a cracking 10 x 6 press photo of you in action 1974 ish, would it be possible to post it off to you for you to sign.

I have a good collection of signed/unsigned phots

The actual photo has been shown on this thread by borobadge

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 13:04
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but at least in those days there was empathy between the terraces and the players

You never played in front of the "chicken run". There was certainly no empathy if you were having a bad game. I was on the raw end of the deal against Derby. Although, I must admit if I was watching me play that game I would have given me some stick as well.

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 13:07
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Hi Peter I have a cracking 10 x 6 press photo of you in action 1974 ish, would it be possible to post it off to you for you to sign.

No problems.
My mail address is

PO Box 732
Townsville
QLD 4810, Australia

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 16/11/2009 13:08
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Fair point about the chicken run, although my dad wouldn't go in there, we had to stand in the away corner which had the advantage of being perfectly placed to see my idol Armstrong taking the corners and to throw empty tip-top orange cartons at the oppositions corner taker.
Only disadvantage was the carnage in there when we beat Chelsea 7-2, I think I'm mentally scarred by that to this day.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 16/11/2009 13:10
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The chicken run was notorious. My distant cousin is Alan Moody and he left because of the stick from the boo-boys. Another notable victim was David Mills, but he stuck it out and won them over when a lesser player might have had his confidence totally eroded. Even in the 80s and up to the early 90s when it became all-seated, players such as Ripley, Parkinson and Pallister would get stick from the part of the ground.

We still have quite a few with the chicken run mentality at the Riverside.

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 13:15
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My distant cousin is Alan Moody and he left because of the stick from the boo-boys. Another notable victim was David Mills, but he stuck it out and won them over when a lesser player might have had his confidence totally eroded.
Alan Moody should never have left he was a nice guy and a very good player. Millsy used to take some stick totally undeserved because he probably was the most unselfish player you could ever play with. If it wasn't for the runs that Millsy made to open the space, Foggy would not have scored the amount of goals he did.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 16/11/2009 13:18
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Cheers Peter. I bump into David from time to time, and I'll mention that to him. I don't see Alan as he's only a distant relative and has been settled down south for over 35 years.

erimus74 Posted on 16/11/2009 13:21
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Thanks Peter much appreciated, I will pay postage to your address but how would I go over the problem of sending the item back

pkb53 Posted on 16/11/2009 13:26
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I suppose I will have to pay to send them back. You're not related to Big Jack by any chance?

TeeSv Posted on 16/11/2009 13:26
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erimus - International Reply Coupons

and here's the link


Link: IRC

erimus74 Posted on 16/11/2009 13:33
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Thanks TeeSv, that'll be great if I can get PB's autograph

Cheers Peter I'll hopefully include postage stamps, don't want you to feel bad about us[^][:D]

Picto_Leng Posted on 16/11/2009 15:23
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Peter, you are dead-on about Alan Moody; he did not want to leave the Boro but he felt he had to because of the stick he was getting. He had a great career at Southend though. There is an interview with him at the link below.

This has been one of the most interesting threads on here for a very, very long time.


Link: Alan Moody

Picto_Leng Posted on 16/11/2009 15:40
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Oops, that didn't work but this is the fella...


Link: Click on 'Interviews'

gerry_mander Posted on 16/11/2009 17:42
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"the chicken run" [:D]

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 16/11/2009 21:04
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What a great thread this has become. Well done Peter for taking the time out to give us a bit of an insight into that golden era. Rob, just an idea, but if Peter is ok with it, what about putting some of his snippets into an article for either the site or the paper version of the fanzine?

grumpyoldgit Posted on 16/11/2009 23:01
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What a marvellous thread, bringing back memories of days when the game was played on gluepots in winter by real men. And we get to converse on-line with a Boro legend!

Shaun71 Posted on 16/11/2009 23:03
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Excellent thread, one of the best Ive read for many a while.

Ill certainly make a note of Peters 'gaff' if Im ever in NE Oz!

onthemap Posted on 17/11/2009 04:37
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"My best off field mate was spikey (david armstrong) we roomed together for a few years and he was a really good shag."

13:20 post! Guess he had something else on his mind when he was typing that?

gerry_mander Posted on 17/11/2009 13:22
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sunderland are linked with both johnson and wheater, where you linked with any one when you where at boro ?

borobadge Posted on 17/11/2009 13:26
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i dont know owt about peter brine being linked to anyone else....

but willie maddren was always being linked to bobby robson's ipswich town side...we were turning down 100,000 regularly for him...and that was a massive amount of money in 1975/76/77

fattyfoggon Posted on 17/11/2009 14:22
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but how good was souness? easily the best Boro player i have ever seen including TLF .

borolad259 Posted on 17/11/2009 16:15
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Don't want this dropping off the page.

erimus74 Posted on 17/11/2009 16:19
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Fantastic thread

Souness was the best ever Boro player IMO.
John Hickton was my fav ever Boro player

I'm just thankful I lived through the golden era of Middlesbrough Football Club

whistler Posted on 17/11/2009 16:21
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I met Souness just after he signed. He was driving down the Trunk Road aboat 3 in morning having been introduced to The Top Deck. I was walking home after a pleasant lay down in Grangetown. Graeme was staying with Fifi(?) and her daughters, Beryl and Joan I think, on Chipchase Road.
I'd agree, the best I've seen in a Boro Shirt, was GS.

pkb53 Posted on 17/11/2009 20:17
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sunderland are linked with both johnson and wheater, where you linked with any one when you where at boro?

Charlton Athletic contacted me a few times because that is where I was born. When I had to quit through injury they sent me to a top specialist in London to get a second opinion, unfortunately, all to no avail.

pkb53 Posted on 17/11/2009 20:22
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Graeme was staying with Fifi(?) and her daughters
Her name was Phoebe and she was a lovely lady.
I agree with all your comments about Graeme. We actually made our our home debuts on the same day against QPR in January 73. We were that impressive Stan Anderson resigned 2 days after the game.

borolad259 Posted on 17/11/2009 20:26
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I thought GS lodged by the Yellow Rose.

tonybiriyani Posted on 17/11/2009 20:29
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Corner of Chipchase and Lewis rd, that was his landlady.

Shaun71 Posted on 17/11/2009 20:34
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Whats on the specials board tonight Peter? [8)]

borolad259 Posted on 17/11/2009 20:37
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tonyb, I think his landlady was my mate's Auntie.

Shaun71 Posted on 17/11/2009 20:40
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It was on Chipchase Road and her name was Phoebe Haigh

tonybiriyani Posted on 17/11/2009 20:40
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We called for him once, wouldn't invite us in the miserable git.

TTTeesside_Trev Posted on 18/11/2009 10:31
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The best thread I've read in donkeys years[^]

HOOF bact to the top [ref]

PS Peter Do you ever visit Brisbane? as we (The Boro Brizzy supporters Club) would love to have a night out with you on the lash

borobadge Posted on 18/11/2009 22:51
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"We called for him once, wouldn't invite us in the miserable git".....[:D][:D][:D]

there is now a pressing need to get PKB53 down to Brisbane.....

pkb53 Posted on 18/11/2009 23:13
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PS Peter Do you ever visit Brisbane? as we (The Boro Brizzy supporters Club) would love to have a night out with you on the lash

My wife and I are coming to Brisbane on the 25 to 29 Jan. We are going to see Ronan Keating at Sirromet on the 26th. I would love to catch up with "The Boro Brizzy Supporters Club" on the 27th or 28th. A night out on the lash sounds interesting. Actually, a lad I knew in Hobart, Rocco, contacted me on behalf of Trevor and said that if I was in Brisbane to let him know.

TTTeesside_Trev Posted on 19/11/2009 03:22
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Nice one Peter, I'll try and organize a night out while you're in Sunny Brisbane. I used to play futsal with Rocco, a cracking goalie. Did you ever come across one of my old mates Peter Sawdon from Thornaby, playing footy in Tazzy, he won the Rothmans gold medal in 1985, I think he was playing for George Town Utd

pkb53 Posted on 19/11/2009 08:39
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my old mates Peter Sawdon from Thornaby,

I know Peter very well from Tassie also when he was playing for South Bank in the Northern League. He was a pretty good striker.

TTTeesside_Trev Posted on 19/11/2009 09:59
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What a small world, I used to work with Peter and play 5 a side with him before he moved to Tazzy. He was a good strong centre forward. I spoke to him earlier in the year via email and he's doing very well for himself, not surprising, as he is a true gent

TeeSv Posted on 19/11/2009 11:13
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Peter - just had a note back from Peter 'Cream Cake' Creamer (or at least that's his version of the nickname you have for him [:I] )

He says ' send Salty my regards, tell him I've 5 grand kids now and still counting'

Lefty Posted on 19/11/2009 11:13
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Townsville?

You must live in the dullest named place in Australia, Peter. Can you not relocate to woolongolongagong or somewhere?

By the way, as a kid I used to always be disappointed when you were sub. I liked it when the team was announced with 'Number 9, Peter Brine!' in it.




gerry_mander Posted on 19/11/2009 15:23
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the boys in green are looking for a replay i want birmingham and leyton orient replayed as well.

synthonia Posted on 19/11/2009 22:35
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Hoof.

borobadge Posted on 21/11/2009 00:01
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gerry_mander Posted on 21/11/2009 14:41
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get this superb thread back on track[^]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/11/2009 15:01
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Peter,

I remember as a kid watching the debut of a very promising lad called Harry Charlton. I think he picked up a knee injury shortly after and it curtailed his career.

Did you play in the same team as youngsters at the Boro? How good was he?

OPEO Posted on 21/11/2009 17:19
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Superb thread. Lived through all that and more.

pkb53 Posted on 21/11/2009 22:49
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lad called Harry Charlton.

Yes, I played with Harry. He was an excellent ball player with great passing skills. He had his knee problems but he went on to play for Darlington and another club that escapes me at the moment. Harry was among a number of young midfield players (myself included) at that time trying to break into a team with players like Souness, Murdoch and Armstong. I was fortunate enough to play right sided and alternated with Bobby in the last couple of seasons he played. Although to be mentioned in the same sentence as Bobby Murdoch flatters me quite a bit.

scuzzmonster Posted on 22/11/2009 07:39
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Hoof.

Bandy Posted on 22/11/2009 10:14
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Just discovered this gem. What a thread. I thought the days when fans and players conversed were long gone! If this was a pub we'dbe having a "lock-in"

borobadge Posted on 22/11/2009 13:53
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last orders at the bar !

"fouwer feds all rooond"...[smi]

erimus74 Posted on 22/11/2009 17:27
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Spot on Bandy[^]

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 22/11/2009 17:34
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I remember a rare Div I appearance by Harry Charlton vs. Arsenal away when I was in London. An Arsenal fan at work compared him favourably to Liam Brady, who was just breaking into their side.

GoodoldKO Posted on 22/11/2009 17:47
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In my top 3 threads of all time , this.
Cracking read!

What was it like to play with big John, Pete?
Was he a good bloke off the pitch?

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 22/11/2009 17:52
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Is there any truth in the rumour (circa 1975) that Hickton was miserly. Personally I don't see anything wrong with charging 10 for a personal appearance.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 22/11/2009 18:10
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He made sure I had tickets to pick up at the dressing room, good enough for me [^]

Gingerpig Posted on 22/11/2009 18:15
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just a question Peter,

Can you imagine a player from now doing this in 20 yrs time, i think we all know the answer, but why are they so bloody aloof now?

Charlie Amer.....rightly or wrongly demonised?, or was he just doing what Gibbo's doing balancing books?

GroggySlaggySmoggy Posted on 22/11/2009 19:57
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Peter,who did you hate playing against and what are your thoughts on some of the diving that goes on nowadays?

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 22/11/2009 20:22
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Great thread this.

pkb53 Posted on 23/11/2009 04:27
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Hicky was great bloke on and off the field. A bit more private off the field with a nutcase sense of humour. At times he would mutter to himself and just start laughing. He was good to play with him, I wish I could have played more with him (football that is).

pkb53 Posted on 23/11/2009 04:48
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Can you imagine a player from now doing this in 20 yrs time, i think we all know the answer, but why are they so bloody aloof now?

Charlie Amer.....rightly or wrongly demonised?, or was he just doing what Gibbo's doing balancing books?

I have been away from Middlesbrough for 30 years so I have had no one really to talk about the times when I played. It really is nice to talk to the grassroots supporters that can remember when I played, because no bugger ahas ever heard of me over here.

Every chairman or owner of a business will make economic decisions based on what he can afford or gamble on the risk. Charlie Amer with Stan Anderson in charge gave the manager every opportunity to buy and build the team. you will all remember very well, the only introduction to 73/74 team was Bobby Murdoch. Jack came and blended the players differently and changed a number of positions tactically ie Willie back to sweeper from midfield. Frank Spraggon to left back from sweeper. Bobby Murdoch in for Eric McMoordie. Alan Foggon playing behind Hicky and Millsy to make the runs into the space made by them both.
When the time it came the time for Jack to spend money and improve the team, he was found wanting. Phil Boersma was his major signing. Alf Wood was a free transfer. Terry Cooper was Ok but past his best. They were replacements for Foggy who had gone off the boil Hicky and Frank went to play in America. I wasn't in the same class as Bobby. However, Charlie Amer made money available. It was only a few years later when they realised that had to sell some assets. Hence, Graeme, Spikey, David Hodgson, Millsy, Craig Johnston and Mark Proctor all left the club for good money over a 3 to 4 year period. I don't know why Charlie Amer or Steve Gibson should be demonised or castigated because they have done and did more for the club that so many others. Sorry to ramble on.

pkb53 Posted on 23/11/2009 04:56
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Peter,who did you hate playing against and what are your thoughts on some of the diving that goes on nowadays?

I hated playing against big heads, unfortuunately most of them were playing for London clubs where i as from.
The player that gave me the biggest roasting was Archie Gemmill when he was at Derby. He led me all over the park to the extent that I nearlly followed him into his dressing room at half time.

Diving is cheating but now if they get caught they get punished with bookings etc. When I was playing Francis Lee of Man City was the biggest cheat ever, he was always falling over, but, he used to get away with it.

littledick Posted on 23/11/2009 08:30
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Hi Pete,

Is there much TV coverage of the English game where you are ?

If so, what do you think of the present bunch of 'players' at the club, and do you think Gordon Strachan is the man to take us back up ?

Will you be see-ing Katie Price in your restaurant, now she's left the jungle [:D]

rumrunner Posted on 23/11/2009 08:45
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Brilliant thread

Peter i am old enough and lucky enough to have followed the Charlton team home and away
and am amazed we got through that season using so few players.
did players in your opinion play through the odd knocks and strains which now seem to sideline players for weeks ?

intheblood Posted on 23/11/2009 20:53
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It would be great to see how the team of 73-74 would fare in todays game?
If you were playing against this lot wearing the shirt now Peter it would be a no brainer.
Even with you in goal and Platty up front,because you had bottle and pride in the shirt.
Loved the McDonald thing, just hope you weren,t TOO polite with it.

boro74 Posted on 23/11/2009 21:39
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What a brilliant thread. I feel privileged to have been around at that time in our history. I was 18 at the time. We thought we could win the league. In fact we nearly did!
We had some great cup runs as well. The cup used to mean more in those days than it does now.

borobadge Posted on 23/11/2009 23:06
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and......still no sign of 'foggy'....[:D]

Gingerpig Posted on 24/11/2009 00:05
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peter

Most "unlikely" hard man you played with or against?

When a player retires through injury, is it compo, bye, etc. Because for years we never heard anything about old players , Gibbo seems to encourage you to return, which is grear for auld sods like me.


a delight of a thread[^] .....you do know your creating a monster for yerself [:D]

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/11/2009 00:10
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"It would be great if we could actually see how the team of 73 - 74 would fare in todays game"

In the blood, if you scroll up a bit, there's a story on one of my posts on this thread about Willie Maddren's take on this regarding the Boro team of the late 90s.


Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/11/2009 00:12
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[:D][^]

They'd have waltzed it. Foggon wouldn't have even had to put his pie down.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/11/2009 00:21
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"However, Charlie Amer made money available. It was only a few years later when they realised that had to sell some assets. Hence, Graeme, Spikey, David Hodgson, Millsy, Craig Johnston and Mark Proctor all left the club for good money over a 3 to 4 year period."

Charlton has sine admitted that he regretted not signing a centre forward such as David Cross. He didn't sign him as his valuation was 10k less than Coventry's and he refused to budge. I liked Boersma, but only saw him a few times. General consensus is that he didn't do it for us. According to Jack's autobiography, he was frustrated by all the niggles and pulls Boersma used to pick up. I only saw Alf Wood a few times too, but thought he was a Div 2 player with all due respect.

If we'd signed that centre forward and another midfielder, we'd have been well set. Youngsters like Bailey and Hedley were starting to make the breakthrough. With the likes of Hodgson, Johnston and Proctor only a year or two away from getting in the side when Jack left, we'd have been well set. John Neal was also a couple of players away from a potental top 6 side (a goalscoring centre forward and a top class centre back), but instead of pushing on, we cashed in on our best young players to help fund the ill-fated sports complex.

All the "if onlys" and "what might have beens" still nag me. If Willie Maddren had been able to get fit again, if Boam hadn't been forced out. If Souey and Millsy hadn't been sold etc.

I still maintain that the player I'd loved to have seen us sign as a schoolboy, who would have been in our catchment area, was Bryan Robson. By the time Murdoch retired, he'd have been about ready for 1st team football. Him and Souey in the midddle would have been unstoppable.

borolad259 Posted on 24/11/2009 11:29
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bump

Gingerpig Posted on 24/11/2009 18:56
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up yer go

Craggsy Posted on 24/11/2009 19:26
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great thread which brings back lots of memories. Anyone remember a steaming volley from Foggon in (as I remember) FA Cup replay againt Peterborough? Millsy scored down there to get us the replay.

borobadge Posted on 24/11/2009 22:48
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heres one of boro & souness @ stoke...


Link: rare boro away shirt

erimus74 Posted on 24/11/2009 22:51
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[^]

jimmythewondercat Posted on 25/11/2009 08:51
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Great clip from that Stoke game [^]

borolad259 Posted on 25/11/2009 09:28
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Indeed, and this one...what a great team we had. Souness, Murdoch, Mills, Hickton, Foggon, Craggs, Maddren...awesome.

I just welled up.


Link: Big Jack's team.

speckyget Posted on 25/11/2009 09:37
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Them goal celebrations are fkin useless. Didn't they have DJs or new babies back in the olden days?

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 25/11/2009 12:21
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The good old fashioned one arm raised (two if it's a particularly good goal or important goal). Alternatively, a clenched fist punching the air will suffice along with a manly firm handshake, with a pat on the back perhaps.

pkb53 Posted on 25/11/2009 12:48
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did players in your opinion play through the odd knocks and strains which now seem to sideline players for weeks ?

We did not have the depth in the squad in those days so players would play with niggles. Today, with big squads and back up in every position and of course the big money, clubs are more reluctant to risk further injury.

pkb53 Posted on 25/11/2009 12:54
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Is there much TV coverage of the English game where you are ?

If so, what do you think of the present bunch of 'players' at the club, and do you think Gordon Strachan is the man to take us back up ?

Will you be see-ing Katie Price in your restaurant, now she's left the jungle

We get all of the premier league games but very few Champions league games.

I am not that familiar with the current players and I sincerely wish Gordon all the best. Only time will tell if he is the right guy.

I wouldn't let Katie Price in the restaurant. We have pretty high standards.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 25/11/2009 12:55
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Peter, while we're on the subject, I believe Wille Maddren hardly trained during the week in the last two or three years of his career due to his knee problems. Was the knee problem that sadly ended your career a long standing one and did you play through it towards the end of your career?

borobadge Posted on 25/11/2009 18:54
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"I wouldn't let Katie Price in the restaurant. We have pretty high standards."

ohhh, you'd let her in the publicity alone would be worth a months takings, i see her every now and again round the city where i live, whatever she does it beats stacking shelves in tescos for less than the minimum wage, plus think of the tax she pays !...


so pete back in the day, at the kirklevington country club, the marton country club and philmores !!! you, souness, willie m, spike and platty must have been a hit with the ladies from around Teesside [^] all those platform shoes, sky blue eye shadow, twin sets and flared jeans (and that was just the gadgies!!...

care to spill the beans or recall a tale? [:D]

borobadge Posted on 25/11/2009 20:37
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dont forget Nobby..


Link: sir norbert of stiles

pkb53 Posted on 25/11/2009 22:06
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You are correct about Willie with his knee problem. It was testament to his ability that he kept himself fit enough to play with little or no training.

My knee problems started when I was 18 and plagued me throughout my career. The last 2 seasons I played, I missed games mainly through my knee. I recently had a total knee replacement and I have been pain free for the first time in cose to 35 years.

pkb53 Posted on 25/11/2009 22:24
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dont forget Nobby..

You could never forget Nobby. In total honesty, he is the nicest guy that I have ever met, not only in football, in life included. He was also the hairiest guy I have ever met. He had a rug that covered his whole body, but what a great guy.

twoshots Posted on 25/11/2009 22:27
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Nobby Stiles still goes down as one of the good guys because he signed an autograph book when I went round his house and rang his bell, aged about 11!

Great thread btw!

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 26/11/2009 00:00
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I never realised that your knee problems troubled you for so long, Peter. Glad to hear it's sorted now though. Just reading what you said about Nobby Stiles's body hair. Not sure how up you are on Boro players of the 1980s & 90s, but our star striker of the late 80s and early 90s, Bernie Slaven, was nicknamed "The Wolfman" by his team-mates due to his body hair.

andy_todd Posted on 26/11/2009 05:12
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Peter ,
Thanks for taking the time to talk to us. Have you caught up with Robbie Fowler by any chance? ( I am in Perth by the way hence the user name ).

gerry_mander Posted on 26/11/2009 16:00
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'roo

pkb53 Posted on 26/11/2009 20:28
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Thanks for taking the time to talk to us. Have you caught up with Robbie Fowler by any chance?

Yes, Robbie has been in the restaurant a few times. I don't know him well but he seems a very nice guy with a lovely family.

trog64 Posted on 26/11/2009 20:44
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Peter, during that fantastic 73-74 season the side remained almost unchanged with either yourself or Malcolm Smith as the sub. Did Jack alternate you on a game by game basis or did he choose depending on the opposition ? Did you know well in advance who was to be sub ?

borobadge Posted on 26/11/2009 21:08
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who is robbie fowler playing for ?

pkb53 which centre forward/striker from another club would you have liked Big Jack to bring in to that team of Charltons Champions...?...

we all know we were only a 'top' class striker short of hitting the top and staying there, ive never seen a boro team like it for creating chance, after chance after chance..

pkb53 Posted on 26/11/2009 21:14
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Jack used Smithy at home and myself away. Smithy was a striker and I could either play up front or in midfield. We usually knew the day before the game unless something happened and Jack decided to change his mind. There were a few times that Jack just expected us to know and would not let anyone know or get names mixed like he did at Fulham. He was a great coach but he could be an infuriating son of a bitch.

pkb53 Posted on 26/11/2009 21:30
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who is robbie fowler playing for ?

It's a new team based in Townsville called North Queensland Fury. For some reason the aussies follow the yanks and give their teams poxy names.

There were a few that were talked about. Johnston of Ipswich, big Joe Royal. I liked Joe Royal. We were a team that used to break so quickly (I believe that is why we did so well in the first season because we frightened teams with our pace) but we never had a player that could steady the ship by holding onto the ball and bringing other players into the game. We became too predictable because we did not have the players up front with the ability to change our style.

RedHert Posted on 26/11/2009 22:54
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Planning to go to Oz in the next couple of years to see wifes family in Syd, will enjoy the excuse of leaving to go to Townsville! Over to you Badge for the big 200!![;)]

borobadge Posted on 27/11/2009 00:01
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oooooooooh it would be rude not to...![LOVE]

which generation of mrs redherts family are in Oz ?

RedHert Posted on 27/11/2009 12:43
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Elder sis (Susan) and younger bro (Dennis)well done a great thread they were good times but I'm enjoying strangely the new away trips with young H like Peterboro tomorrow.

morrissey Posted on 27/11/2009 15:10
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brings back fantastic memories

"we all agree...Charlton is better than Stokoe"

massive Boro support at every away game, a good centre forward and we really would have been right up there.

Peter, got in a taxi a few years ago and got chatting to the driver, a lovely fella, who said he was your dad and that you were in Oz.

Hope all is still well with him...he laughed when i called you Salty, he didnt think anyone would remember...he must be joking, best ever Boro team, bar none.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 27/11/2009 19:06
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Actually it was,

"Aye, aye, aye, aye,
Charlton is better than Stokoe"

borobadge Posted on 27/11/2009 21:04
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"aye aye aye ...we all agree.."

one things for certain..

Charlton WAS better than Stokoe...



I tended to sing.."Aye aye aye aye, Charlton is better than stokoe"


i always rememeber the spray paint under neath the railway station that read " Bob Stokeo is a w.a.n.kerr"...always made me chuckle...stokeo !

pkb53 Posted on 28/11/2009 06:36
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Peter, got in a taxi a few years ago and got chatting to the driver, a lovely fella, who said he was your dad and that you were in Oz.

Unless my Dad has been re-incarnated and changed from a bus driver to a taxi driver, I reckon someone was having a lend of you. However, my cousin who is quite a bit older than me used to drive a cab. I used to live with him when I first moved to boro and people at times thought he was my Dad.

By the way Charlton peed all over Stokoe.

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 28/11/2009 10:59
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Shaun: Think the landlady was Phoebe Appleby. I remember the story in the Gazette when Souey left. Craig Johnston moved in to replace him.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 28/11/2009 11:32
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What an amazing thread. I've read every entry and it's a fascinating account of days gone by, led by an ex-Boro player.

Thanks for your input Peter, and good luck for the future.

pkb53 Posted on 28/11/2009 16:32
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Guys, can I say that it has been an absolute pleasure chatting to you and thank you for allowing me to share your space with you.

I feel humble, very privaledged and fortunate to have played in a team that had supporters like you. I have been away for almost 30 years and I did not realise the passion you still held for Jack's team of the 70's.

I could think of nothing better than chatting to you for quite some time but, as we know life moves on and I have a restaurant to run.

I extend an open invitation to any of you if you ever get to sunny Townsville to pop in to the restaurant, because I sincerely would love to have a chat face to face over a couple of cold ones.

Keep supporting the lads because they need supporters like you.

Cheers

Peter Brine (Salty)

maxi_levey Posted on 28/11/2009 16:41
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Cheers Peter..Thanks a lot [^]

borobuddah Posted on 28/11/2009 16:48
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Peter, in that promotion season I worked for two hours on three evenings a week at a petrol station in Marske, earning 3.50 a week.

At the beginning of the season the manager (Leeds fan) of the garage bet me 50p a match that Boro would lose (he gave me the draw)

I would have been over the moon anyway, but the extra cash was icing on the cake!

Happy times, and I went to every home game.