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r00fie Posted on 18/10/2009 08:43
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

A young weak team, getting stronger every week. Beach balls or not, theyve been a yo-yo club, plummeting the depths with two horrible relegations in recent years.

Theyve got a good man in Quinney and a good experienced manager in steve bruce.

We will never match them for crowds or passion, but if they can give it a go, we can too. At least their football is exciting and a roller-coaster.

I could never ever support the mackems and I told my mate they would be the north - east fire-lighters this season.They are higher in the prem now than weve been since 2004!

we could quite easily do a southampton, charlton, leeds and norwich if we arent careful. The buck stops at gibson. Hes the captain of the ship.

we can emulate sunlun, but this merchant ship called Boro is floundering in deep waters.

Theres no joy in pointing out that we are becoming a ship without direction at the mo.[sad][V]

Rupert Posted on 18/10/2009 09:38
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

i might start going there. better than the shyte served up here.

mfc_1 Posted on 18/10/2009 09:39
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big difference between the two..

Bent and Jones versus Ali and Lita

Like comparing vintage champagne wth council pop

JonMc Posted on 18/10/2009 09:45
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Thank you r00fie. We at SAFC seem to be building properly for once - slowly and surely. We have a manager who, at long last seems to know what he wants and what he's doing.

As for the Boro - I've said it before and I'll say it again, you have a side capeable of promotion this season but you need a rudder and Southgate aint it. Change that and you have every chance in the world.

privatepile75 Posted on 18/10/2009 09:46
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get a grip fella's and man up.

football is unpredicatble and goes around in circles, that's why it's loved by so many.

you have good times and bad times (never bad enough to even contemplate following another team though)

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grantus Posted on 18/10/2009 09:57
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

We just couldn't match their transfer budget last year, and that to me made a big difference.

They spent over 40 million last summer. They weren't shy this summer either.

We did what they are doing now and we won a trophy, placed 7th in the league and got to the UEFA Cup final.

Unfortunately, we couldn't afford it and the next generation of Boro squad was put together on the cheap in comparison, it was full of local boys ala Gibson's vision and we thought it good to rip out our midfield.

We are where we are, looking at using sunderland as a model for success is pointless, completely different type of club.

They are doing well though, and good luck to them, they deserved their win yesterday.

onion_budgie Posted on 18/10/2009 10:01
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

Why wish them in particular good luck?

The_Dude Posted on 18/10/2009 10:05
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

yeh, the fact sunderland have merely spent more than most teams in the last year or so is lost on most fans, and the previous 15 years where we have out performed them to ridiculous levels has been lost on mungos, who simply blame southgate, whilst comically over emphasising the ability of steve bruce whos just another average manager whos spent a lot

fair play to them, there having a good season so far, but footballs all about peaks and troughs, i'd expect a club of sunderlands size to be half decent at least 5 or 6 times a century

JonMc Posted on 18/10/2009 10:11
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Steve Bruce's net spend has not been that much really. He's managed to ship out a lot of the expensive dead wood that Keane brought in and unlike Keane he hasn't been held to ransom over transfer fees, getting a few bargains in the process.

The result is that SAFC have now got a much smaller, leaner and healthier squad with about the same wage bill as last seasons bloated version which also allows some of the kids to come through i.e. Henderson.

Dibzzz Posted on 18/10/2009 10:21
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

We hate sunlun !

The_Dude Posted on 18/10/2009 10:24
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

'Steve Bruce's net spend has not been that much really. He's managed to ship out a lot of the expensive dead wood that Keane brought'


your missing the point, sunderland have spent an amazing amount of money in the last 2 years, roy keane was lauded as a good manager, but really its cos he spent tens of millions in the championship, bruce inherited a massivley invested squad and added to it, youve got one youth player coming through, we have a full squad of them, thats the difference

JonMc Posted on 18/10/2009 10:29
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

In the CCC Keane spent less than 5m (net)...nowhere near tens of millions. I agree that once promoted he splashed the cash like a chav on a lottery spending spree - something I got flack for raising with my Sunderland marras.

As for the youth system, hopefully young Jordan is just the start and we can emulate the Boro's successes in this area.

The_Dude Posted on 18/10/2009 10:32
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[^] sunderlands fans deserve there team to be top dogs, and they are, boro are in a minus net spending spree at the minute, so its a case of sink or swim for the clubs acedemy

i personally couldnt give a XXXXXX about having a team of local lads because most of them want to leave anyway, id rather just have a good team than a XXXXXXe one full of local lads

flaps Posted on 18/10/2009 10:33
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

F*ck you r00fie you sycophantic arsewipe.



There's nothing noble about what Sunderland have done. They've not carefully planned anything or found some secret formula for success.

No, they've just spent a couple of hundred million in the transfer market, and so far it's got them a fifth-from-bottom finish.

Their fans deserve this? Do you mean the 20,000 fans that XXXXXXed off last time they got relegated? We will never match them for passion? So passionate they have in the past bussed in kids with free tickets to boost the crowd?


borobadge Posted on 18/10/2009 10:37
Doing well at last.

i'm pleased for you Jon Mc.....

you will recall that during those laughable days when you were the whipping boys in the prem and winning oh so many world records for being shyyte...that i said 'you would come back'.......well your back..

however, i would rather cut my own throat with a spoon than wish you (s.a.f.c.) good luck...i hope you start getting beat again every-week...[:D][B)][;)][fb]

JonMc Posted on 18/10/2009 10:43
Doing well at last.

Erm...cheers bb. [:P]

And kids get reduced price tickets, not free, for games we would never sell out anyway - although we do have sections of the SOL now where kids get season tickets for nowt as long as adults buy them at full price. Good business imho.

The only time I ever got a free ticket was for a end of season boro game v Fulham a few years back from a boro mate of mine.

If you get rid of Southgate you have a good chance of promotion imho, but you need to do it quickly.

nidge Posted on 18/10/2009 11:12
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

"There's nothing noble about what Sunderland have done. They've not carefully planned anything or found some secret formula for success.

No, they've just spent a couple of hundred million in the transfer market, and so far it's got them a fifth-from-bottom finish.

Their fans deserve this? Do you mean the 20,000 fans that XXXXXXed off last time they got relegated? We will never match them for passion? So passionate they have in the past bussed in kids with free tickets to boost the crowd?"



This [^]

People congratulating sunderland are probably only doing so to have a snide swipe at the Boro [|)]

Sunderland are not a club we should look up to or aspire to emulate. When their success matches their financial outlay (like european football, regular cup finals, and top 6 finishes), then they'll deserve some "praise". Get a grip ffs [rle]

Boro may be skint, but we had a hell of a ride for our very expensive ticket. I doubt sunderland will be able to say the same in a decades time (if the yank hasn't pulled the plug and bankrupt them along the way!)

SirHumptyofDumpty Posted on 18/10/2009 11:16
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

good luck Sunderland???....foockin cooont, XXXXXX off troll.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 18/10/2009 11:26
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

As I said before the season started, Steve Bruce has spent brilliantly. He has bought wisely in every position to complement the half decent players like Jones, Gordon and Malbranque that they already had. Bringing in Cattermole, Cana, Bent and Turner was exactly what they needed. They now have a team that has all the attributes we don't, pace, power and strength. We have a bunch of feeble kids that crap themselves every game and couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. That is fact.

I don't wish them luck though, they are scum. I just wish we would get rid of Southgate and make a fight of it instead of letting our club crumble into oblivion.[V]

JonMc Posted on 18/10/2009 11:29
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

Nidge

From our last set of accouns (May last year) our net liabilities were just over 36m, which to me seems chicken feed compared to other PL clubs. We owed the bank just over 13m.

Being in the PL is a massive financial benefit. As an example our turnover shot up from 26m to 63m in the year we were last promoted.

I'm guessing here like but with 23 players gone since the close season and just 7 in, I would imagine that with the wages dispensed with and the transfer fees raked in we have traded brilliantly in the last 3 or 4 months.

Courtesy of MBH, the smber itk.

flaps Posted on 18/10/2009 12:32
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

Your club is the plaything of a rich american. You're like Chelsea without the same chance of success.

It won't last, and it will end in tears.

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 18/10/2009 12:47
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

Maybe i'm going soft or maybe it's because they remind me of us 4 or 5 years ago but I don't begrudge them this success at all. I think they've probably suffered enough over the last 15 years of so and it makes things a bit more interesting having different teams challenging for the Uefa spots.

Hopefully it'll only last a year or two then they'll be back where they belong in the second division with us.

r00fie Posted on 18/10/2009 12:52
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

Flaps, my flowerpot: I dont like them either, but they do play decent footi at the moment. Ide sooner run em across the park on the way to Ayresome, like we did in the 70s and early 80s. Nothing wrong whether its sunlun or fulham.

At least they had a clause written in their players contracts last season, to say they would get lower wages if they got relegated. as for us, we believed that pigs could fly and flogged anything decent we had[:(!]


It started with Luke Young. we should have realised then that the monolith was beginning to crack...[xx(][V]

bear66 Posted on 18/10/2009 12:55
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

"At least they had a clause written in their players contracts last season, to say they would get lower wages if they got relegated"

Didn't any / all the Boro players have such a clause?

JonMc Posted on 18/10/2009 12:57
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Our club is in the healthiest financial state it's been in since the Bob Murray debacle.

Niall Quinn (be praised) is a great ambassador and has a knack of bringing in credible financial investors at the right time. Lord knows how he does it but I do love him.

flaps Posted on 18/10/2009 14:04
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

Enjoy it while you can. Maybe with another 200 million you can emulate Boro's recent success.

Doubtful though.

JonMc Posted on 18/10/2009 14:48
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Now now flaps.
Don't be bitter. I won a canny wedge betting on your Carling Cup success. May I say it's a success we have more chance of emulating than you have of repeating.

;)

flaps Posted on 18/10/2009 14:49
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Would rather have done it than be hoping some distant millionaire maintains an interest long enough to make it possible.

JonMc Posted on 18/10/2009 15:01
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Millionaires are millionaires though.
Yours guaranteed the wages of Rav and sicknote Boksic who would have been completely out of your reach under normal circumstances. I don't begrudge you that.

May I remind you though that it's the same man who is also so stubborn that he refuses to sack your failed and clueless manager who is now in danger of leading your club toward obscurity.

As your fans have oft reminded me in the past....it's all history, it's what's hapeening now which is important.

flaps Posted on 18/10/2009 15:14
Good luck to Sunderland ! Doing well at last.

"Millionaires are millionaires though."

I disagree.

I don't like the invasion of foreign club owners. I don't think its good for the game. Your club is part of the problem.

JonMc Posted on 18/10/2009 15:16
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So. If a money man came in and offered to buy the club from Gibson, putting in place an experienced manager with the funds to back him, you wouldn't be excited by the prospect?

I simply do not believe you.

And we are not part of the problem. The problem is with huge piles of silly money coming in and paying obscene amounts to prise players away from their clubs. SAFC have been a model of prudence by comparison.

nidge Posted on 18/10/2009 16:17
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"The problem is with huge piles of silly money coming in and paying obscene amounts to prise players away from their clubs. SAFC have been a model of prudence by comparison."


Craig Gordon. 9m. Nuff said [;)]

flaps Posted on 18/10/2009 17:36
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"So. If a money man came in and offered to buy the club from Gibson, putting in place an experienced manager with the funds to back him, you wouldn't be excited by the prospect?"

Of course I'd be excited. But that wouldn't make it any less a bad thing for the game as a whole, I'd just be less objective - like you.

"SAFC have been a model of prudence by comparison."

haha ok