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Rupert Posted on 13/10/2009 18:00
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

been doing 2 half hour sessions a week . wot will i get out of it apart from sweating like a beaver when i get in?

maxi_levey Posted on 13/10/2009 18:02
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

ye get to the boozer faster

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 13/10/2009 18:05
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

i think ya heart is like a engine ,do so many miles and it packs in,,,look at tortoises ther beat is very slow and they live for ever[cr]

robert_huths_niggling_injuries Posted on 13/10/2009 18:10
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Maxi, that answer proves you have wisdom beyond your years my son

[8)][smi][B)][LOVE][pa][:X][ref]

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 13/10/2009 18:12
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Tortoises are also vegetarians that don't drink alcohol

plonker Posted on 13/10/2009 18:13
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

hmmm... this jogging mallarcky is very ,very dangerous..

there was this bloke down our road started jogging....

the next day his lass left him. and he twisted his ankle......

robert_huths_niggling_injuries Posted on 13/10/2009 18:14
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"this thing called jogging, or yogging, i'm not too sure, it could be a soft J.

what is it?

i'm not sure, apparently you just, well, run"

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 13/10/2009 18:14
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

mine used to drink ace larger,,it XXXXXXssed off one day and i couldnt find it,,,,,,,went to the pub with my mates grandad[cr]

AllaboutLita Posted on 13/10/2009 18:25
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I run twice a day every day a minimum of 5k per run sometimes more on weekends,when i came out of the army i did start going to the gym but decided it wasnt for me so took up running.I can honestly say i am fitter now than at any time during the 12 years i was in the forces.

plonker Posted on 13/10/2009 18:26
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

come here - there's more...

and on the same day, he was waiting at traffic lights, with his soft top down.. when a police car pulled opposite..
and the traffic cop said " pullover "

he replied " NO its a T shirt ACTUALLY " ....

he was swiftly arrested.......

plazmuh Posted on 13/10/2009 18:45
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

None at all it will XXXXXX up your ankles in your later years, good old arthuritis will be well pleased

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 19:02
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Unless you're training for a marathon then jogging is completely pointless.

Yeah it's good for you heart, but doing 3 sets of 40 metre sprints and you'll get as much benefit in way shorter time.

If you're looking at losing weight then jogging burns ZERO fat....more than enough studies that backs that up.

If you just want to 'be fit' then make sure you use your muscle groups and do some circuit training, hill sprints, and metabolic work.

Get you fitter and looking better than any 'jogger' will ever look.

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 20:13
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"Unless you're training for a marathon then jogging is completely pointless."
[:D][:D][:D]
Fkin clueless! [:D]

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 20:35
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Zzzzzz

Do explain....

As a Fitness Professional for nearly 10 years i can assure you any positive spin you put on jogging will be answered with a more effecient way of training whether it's to make someone stronger, faster, look, or feel better.

It's the MOST over rated tool for training on this earth.

PAULIEJ Posted on 13/10/2009 20:38
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

KobeB you obviously know your stuff mate but isn,t jogging better than sitting on your arse doing nothing?Surely it must have some benefits?

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 13/10/2009 20:40
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

BRT3 [:D]

mattyk50 Posted on 13/10/2009 20:41
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

i think hes just saying there are hundreds of more effective and more enjoyable ways to get in shape and get fit

Halle_Burton Posted on 13/10/2009 20:42
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

its got to be better than sitting on here all night,

you still biking paulie

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 20:44
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

KobeB you obviously know your stuff mate but isn,t jogging better than sitting on your arse doing nothing?Surely it must have some benefits?

.................

Yeah, it gets people moving. But it also gets people stopping.

Typically the overweight person usually the case taking up jogging) has so little structural integrity that a resistance training program to target their weaknesses and imbalances should be the first approach. Jogging just pounds away at joints that aren't strong enough to deal with it, the imbalances get more imbalanced and before you know it people are injured, and back on the sofa.

JLinardi Posted on 13/10/2009 20:44
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Jogging everyday knackers your knee and ankle joints. Go swimming and be in much better shape in the long term.

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 20:45
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Halle

[:D] Probably ha!

PAULIEJ Posted on 13/10/2009 20:45
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Doing a bit of everything Halle, so yes is the answer basically.I have got a lot of cardio equipment in my garage so tend to spend a lot of time in there now.
Its working though,two stone lighter and a whole lot fitter![:D][^]

Halle_Burton Posted on 13/10/2009 20:48
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Ive lost nowt but a lot fitter due to the bike. some good rides at hamsterly forest, 5 diferent routes and i struggled up thre hill on the blue route so god knows what the red and black routes are like and i dont think i will ever find out[:D]

PAULIEJ Posted on 13/10/2009 20:53
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Haven,t been to Hamsterley but certainly want to try it!What advice can you give mate, I will be taking my 12 year old along as well?

Halle_Burton Posted on 13/10/2009 20:57
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

take a map to find the place unlike us two buffoons who knew it all, 90 minutes to get there and 30 minutes home.[:D][:D]

Take her on the easier routes (yellow/green) but they are all well posted and good place to take family on nice day. Nice pleasant rides so enjoy it[^]

JLinardi Posted on 13/10/2009 20:59
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Prepare to be embarrased by ur kid paulie, they will torture you up the hills.

PAULIEJ Posted on 13/10/2009 21:03
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Will do and thanks for the advice.What is it like price wise?

PAULIEJ Posted on 13/10/2009 21:04
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I have a feeling he will laugh at me all the way round mate not just the hills.He does tend to burn the old man off now.Its all good fun though!!!

Halle_Burton Posted on 13/10/2009 21:07
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Just pay to park the car all the rest is free, about 3 quid i think and there is a cracking cafe there. Plenty of play areas for kids etc and any amount of walks etc for a more leisurly stroll, its just a few mile past bishop auckland


OR 30 miles around the outskirts of the forest if you are too proud to read a map like most blokes[:D]

guisboro Posted on 13/10/2009 21:12
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

From personal experience, I'm a 29yr old fella, played football all my life, not overly fit or unfit - middle of the road, 34' waist, 5ft9 tall.

i joined a running club, to lose a bit of weight in the run up to my wedding, we run 5.3 miles on a Tuesday and i ran about the same at the weekend, ate heathily (not dieting) and from October last year to May i dropped from 13st6lbs to 11st13lbs.

The regularity of the exercise, nothing too much but just keeping it going, really worked wonders.

So Kobe, it certainly does have its weight loss benefits - maybe not as a standalone, but it can definitely help if you eat sensibly alongside the exercise.

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 21:22
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Guisboro

it certainly does have its 'weight loss' benefits, i said fat loss. There is actually significant difference.

Nutrition is the cornerstone of any successful 'weight loss' one may want to achieve. If you eat 85-90% of the time good stuff (as i guessed you did) then that will give you the weight loss.


Now the ONLY reason the body burns calories is because the muscle tissue is working. It doesn’t matter what activity you are involved in – jogging or weight training – its muscular demand that determines caloric burn. The thing is, jogging is something your body becomes very effecient at over time, thus burning less calories therefore in the long run many joggers actually get a higher body fat % than before.

WEll done on losing the weight tho [^]

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 21:23
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Hundreds of thousands of people in the UK that regularly run, be it alone, with friends or in clubs are "unless they're training for a marathon" wasting their time.

And they're all wrong. All of them. And yet they still do it and have done for years!

And Kobes right [:D]

I agree 100% that a balanced fitness regime is better than jogging by itself but to say that jogging alone is useless [:D] FFS.

You must be desperate for business?

morning_roary Posted on 13/10/2009 21:26
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

As well as burning calories jogging also helps speed up your metabolism which helps burn more calories for hours after jogging
FACT [ref]

boro74 Posted on 13/10/2009 21:27
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I'm 6' 2" and weigh 100 kg. What's the best way to lose weight?

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 21:27
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Haha! Far from it, i've just taken an extra trainer on [:D]

Now if i was a trainer who give people wanting to lose fat soley running then i would be a trainer DESPERATE for business.

What benefits are they to jogging? I don't see any when it's put up against other forms of exercise.



KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 21:30
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Morning Roary

I think you have your facts muddled up slightly. When you stop jogging you don't burn another calorie from that session.

When you do intervals, circuits, resistance training, or metabolic circuits then you can be burning calories for up 36 hours after the training sessions, depending on the intensity, and how many muscle groups you've worked, etc.

boro74 Posted on 13/10/2009 21:33
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

But what if you just enjoy jogging through the woods in the fresh air, as opposed to being indoors in the gym?

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 21:33
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"What benefits are they to jogging? I don't see any when it's put up against other forms of exercise."

That's a totally different statement to

"Unless you're training for a marathon then jogging is completely pointless"

You've gone from it being completely pointless to not being as good as other forms of exercise.

Makes you look a bit daft TBH.

I've ran for years and done marathons. I've ran for years and not done marathons. I know that the non marathon years have not been "completely pointless".

But hey, you're the expert. [:D]


zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 21:38
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"When you stop jogging you don't burn another calorie from that session."

More bollox. It's another form of exercise. You may not burn as many post exercise calories as you would doing the other stuff but your body doesn't just switch off just because its "jogging".




zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 21:46
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Boxers jog. Do loads of it.

Pointless. Completely.

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 21:48
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

zzzz

You find me recent research to back your 'bollox' claim up and i'll glady accept you're right.

In the mean time i'll stick with getting real world results and i'll stick to what myself and other top coaches do, which is to get results in the quickest possible time. If jogging a good tool to use, i'd use it.

My statement about jogging was meant in the way that if it's compared to other forms of exercise than it'll lose, hands down.

I mainly train people for fat loss, but i've done some marathon and half marathon runners and the ones who have had the biggest change in times from what they ran to their previous PBs have been when they didn't do any jogging in the program. I've had clients knock off over 40 minutes in a half marathon by excluding jogging from her program.

So for runners; they're more effecient ways to run a faster time, to feel fitter, and recover faster.

For people after fat loss; they're are more effecient, and faster ways to burn fat and lose weight.

No matter what anyone says about jogging it get's it's arsed kicked when going head to head versus other forms of exercise.

So to me, jogging is found to be pointless. You could easily go without it and get in great shape.

mar10 Posted on 13/10/2009 21:53
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

KobeB - i agree m8, jogging is worse then anyother form of exercise, and it does more bad than good, i no as i cant run on hard ground or the treadmill for long as it damages my knee joints and i struggle to walk the next day...

but what i want to know is whats the best way to lose fat, like does weight training or short runs do they matter which one i do?

nd whats the best way too build up your running speed and stamina.

cheers in adavanced [^]

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 21:54
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Don't doubt any of that but for you to tell the lad that put this thread up that jogging is "completely pointless" is a disgrace coming from a professional.

At least you've changed your story now and qualified it in comparison to other forms of exercise.

No doubt you're a better fitness instructor than author. Hope so.

susy Posted on 13/10/2009 21:55
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

So KobeB if I do martial arts training that uses lots of different muscle groups and do a bit of running too, will this be a good thing or pointless to do the running?

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 21:58
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Hatton, 5 miles a day jogging.

Pointless

Completely.

Kobe would've beat that outta him straightaway.


Link: Ricky Hatton

r00fie Posted on 13/10/2009 21:59
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Our Paddy and the lads n girlies going down ladgate lane at daft o clock one sunday morning in september XXXXXXX[^][:D][:X]

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 22:00
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

zzzz

It's a message board. I tell all my clients it's pointless, straight up. If i don't they'll continue to do it which will effect their results. Then over the course of training with them i'll explain bit by bit as to why it's poor.

Good discussion though, it's good to question the why sometimes.

Many people, athletes included are still stuck in the 80s a bit with regarding to training. It's a relatively new industry, people are still learning as to what works best, etc.

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 22:04
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

In his day the finest athlete the world has ever seen.

Jogged 6 miles a day. 6 days a week.


Link: Muhammed Ali

susy Posted on 13/10/2009 22:04
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

KobeB do you have an answer to my question? Sorry to stalk you like this[:X]

r00fie Posted on 13/10/2009 22:05
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

your "clients"? Are you a professional "goer". Fools n Horses, "nudge nudge!!! Knowattameanmysan?""[smi]

mar10 Posted on 13/10/2009 22:05
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

same here KobeB [^][^][:D]

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 22:11
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Sebastion Coe.

WTF does he know?

Typical week 36 miles jogging, waste of time:

Sunday A.M. 5 miles easy; P.M. 30 x 100m on slight hill
Monday 7 miles easy
Tuesday 7 x 800m
Wednesday 11 miles easy
Thursday A.M. 1 x (400m + 300m + 200m + 150) P.M. 3 miles easy
Friday 4 x 1200m, 10 x 150m
Saturday A.M. 30 x 100m on slight hill. P.M.4 miles easy
Sunday 7 x 400m
Monday 7 miles easy

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 22:12
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Best way to lose fat;

1.) Sort your nutrtition out (eat smaller, but more often)
2.) As above (yep it's THAT important [:D]
3.) Do activities that burn calories, promote muscle muscle mass, and elevate metabolism. (The bulk of our calories burned come from resting metabolic rate, NOT the exercise itself)
4.) Doing interval training. Don't start too intense. Something like 30s hard x by 60s easy on the bike and then build up. Repeat up to 6-8 times.

To wrap up a basic training outline;

If you have 3 hours a week do 1, 2, and 3.

If you have 4-5 hours a week do 1,2,3, and 4.

If you have longer than add in some stuff like walking, playing with the kids, etc as it is extra calorie burning, although not a great deal.

That should be more than enough to burn fat.

It's easy really, just takes discipline and preparation. Good luck! [^]

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 22:15
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Susy

It all depends on what kind of conditioning you do with martial arts.

Do you do conditioning training at martial arts?

It depends on do you fight too? If you do train to mimick the fighting. 5 minute rounds etc...

susy Posted on 13/10/2009 22:21
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Im not sure of your terms.

We do repetative training to give us muscle memory. As far as fighting yes we do it but not in rounds regularily as such but we are kicking and punching using a lot of our bodies most of the grueling hour long session.

It isnt fat loss I need, just cardio vascular fitness and stamina.

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 22:30
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

zzzzz

Like i said people are still learing the best ways. I didn't discover it myself, i learned from some of the worlds top conditioning coaches.

Many UFC fighters, and top boxers now do no jogging, Ricky Hatton has always been 3rd rate in preperations.

Let's take an endurance athlete. The biggest mistake endurance athletes make in their training program is falling into the trap that their sport is about who can go the longest. It’s not. It’s STILL about who can go the fastest. They give medals for the first athlete to cross the 5K/10K/ marathon line – not the athlete who crosses it and can keep on going. There’s a reason it’s 26 miles and 385 yards. There’s an END point.

Let me break this down. Endurance, as it's known in my industry – is the ability to maintain a constant sub maximal output – to maintain a lower percentage of your max output.

In other words – your ability to run/bike/swim or whatever SLOWER than you are able to, for longer periods of time.

So if your ability to run fast (at maximal speed) merits a hypothetical ‘score’ of 100 – you may be able to run a 10K race at 70% of this or 70 will be your score.


Typical endurance training involves you running at this 70% for long periods of time, hoping that somehow – when it comes to race day – you’ll be able to run at 75%! This will never happen. If you can run a six minute mile – and you train for 12 weeks running 3-4 miles at a time, at 6min mile pace – what do you predict you’ll run on race day? That’s correct – a six minute mile. You’ve trained for 12 weeks and produce the same speed you were capable of before you trained.

Where's the logic in that?

Here’s what i, any now many other coach's do – if you can maintain 70% of your max pace (again - assuming 100 as your max) – if I raised that max pace to 120(through resistance/sprint training, etc, even without any direct endurance training, that 70% would now be 84 ‘units’. So because you built more “power” in your running engine – we automatically increase your capacity to run long at a sub maximal pace.

(Example: Max speed: 6 min mile. Running a seven minute mile is cruising – you are working way below your limit.

But if your max speed was a 5 min mile – then running a six and a half minute mile would be even easier than the first example.)

So if we accept that endurance is all about maintaining a lower percentage of your max output – then increasing that max output is the key to increasing your endurance.

I@m not been big headed but i could take 80% of modern athletes, especially boxers/fighters, and get them a lot better conditioned as they are still stuck in the old ways.

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 22:36
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"Ricky Hatton has always been 3rd rate in preperations"

I stopped there.

I'll jog on. [:D]

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 22:37
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Susy

Basically you do basic fighter skills, muscle memory work, kicking skills etc yeah?

As for condition do you have access to a gym? Free weights?

I'd recommend doing some sprints to raise your anaerobic thresh hold to a higher level, which will make fighting/training pace easier to handle and i'd advise you to do some metabolic circuits. They're gruelling though so it really depends on how conditioned you want to be.

For the sprints;

Select a 60m area – straight as possible. Starting at one end – sprint maximally to the 60m mark – should take under 10 seconds. Turn and walk back quite quickly, taking approximately 25 seconds. Perform a total of 4 circuits to complete one set (this is approx 2 minutes). A session should be as follows: three sets with a one minute rest between each (9 minutes); rest for two minutes and repeat for a total of a 20 minute workout.
Obviously this workout can be performed over a longer distance – just maintain the ratio between work and rest periods, and understand the concept.
You are trying to develop your ability to go long, by increasing your capacity to go hard. Going at 70% of 100mph is still faster than 80% of 70mph.

Good luck!

KobeB Posted on 13/10/2009 22:43
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

If you think piling on 3+ stone of fat, drinking heavy, eating XXXXXXe, and quite simply negleting his own body anything other than 3rd rate you really do need your head examaning [:D]

Just because he has a 12 week training camp twice a year doesn't mean he's going to be in tip top shape. If he took Manny Paquaeo (sp) or FLoyd Mayweathers example and followed it even 75% he'd have been a lot better for it.

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 22:50
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Seb Coe and Ali knew fk all as well. If only they hadn't jogged just think what they might have achieved!

And Joe Calzaghe, another runner... he might have retired undefeated if he's listened to you.... errrr...[:D]

"Joe pursues a training regime resonant with Sly Stallone’s in Rocky IV and rejects the sophisticated gym in favour of the beautiful Welsh countryside for stamina building runs"


Link: It might have been different if you'd trained him

privatepile75 Posted on 13/10/2009 22:53
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

i'm no pro but i've competed and trained at enough sports to know that training techniques differ from person to person so what's good for one persons results might not be as good for another. i would also recommend trying to add a bit of fun to any training regime, i try to compete/train with someone else to drive me on because i'm competitive and it increases my results and dedication.

zzzz, i agree with you that jogging is not a waste of time but hatton and ali didn't get to where they where purely by jogging. ALL pro athletes 'cross train' to gain better results in their field.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 13/10/2009 22:57
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

KobeB, I do a bit of running, but that's what it is running as opposed to jogging. When training for a race, if I'm out on my own, as is usually the case, I tend to run at a certain speed and do up to 4 or 5 training runs a week. Come race day, my body is prepared and I tend to run at least 30s a km faster.

What I will say is that jogging on it's own will burn calories and get someone fitter, but people should remember to mix their training up a bit with resistance/strength training (since muscle helps burn calories) and other forms of cardio training (cycling, cardio machines in the gym, exercise classes) as well as flexibility and conditioning work.

Depending on what the person's goal is, they may decide to bias the training one way or another (eg ooncentrating more on the weights or the cardio), but it's important to do at least a bit of everything.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 13/10/2009 22:57
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

KobeB email me @ Billog_den21@hotmail.com please. Have a few questions about training plans. I'll email you back tomorrow.

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 22:59
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Did someone mention Pacquiao? [:D]

"PacMan’s day begins when he rises at 6 a.m. He slips into a running outfit, laces up a pair of Nike sneakers, and then darts into the streets of a megalopolis that is just slowly getting up on its feet. On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, Manny jogs only on flat surfaces around Sunset Blvd., where he keeps a sprawling abode. On Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, he runs at Griffith Park and the hilly terrains that lead to the world-famous Hollywood sign."

FFS give it up man.... [:D][:D]


Link: Another jogger

privatepile75 Posted on 13/10/2009 23:04
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

jrdp, i think i've got some training plans that i haven't even opened. not sure what you're looking for but the ones i've got (i think) are pretty much for beginers, hence the reason i never read them. i'll send them to you free of charge if you want them.

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 23:05
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

privatepile75, ProudToComeFromTeesside, Ali, Calzaghe, me.... everyone agrees that a mixture of exercise designed specifically for what type of fitness you want, including running, is the right way to go.

But we're all wrong. Pointless. COMPLETELY.
[:D]

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 13/10/2009 23:09
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

F*** me! Mentioned alongside Ali and Calzaghe! [:D]

zzzzz, you've just made my week. [^]

morning_roary Posted on 13/10/2009 23:15
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I think you have your facts muddled up slightly. When you stop jogging you don't burn another calorie from that session.

When you do intervals, circuits, resistance training, or metabolic circuits then you can be burning calories for up 36 hours after the training sessions, depending on the intensity, and how many muscle groups you've worked, etc.

this is incorrect and i would never employ you as a personal trainer if u don't know simple facts about the body's metabolic rate in a resting and exercise stressed state [V]

privatepile75 Posted on 13/10/2009 23:15
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

what about being mentioned along side me?[ref]

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 13/10/2009 23:19
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Well that ranks not too far behind! [^]

TheSmogMonster Posted on 13/10/2009 23:26
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I do actually understand what KobeB is saying... there are better excersises for you then jogging, and from a time/effort/results point of view its a loser.

However, it is still a good way to loose weight and its used by many because its a simple effective method.. especially if you get into it.

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 07:48
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

any exercise that raises the heart rate is good for you and burns calories.

my mate is a body builder (just won the north britains and britains) and he uses the running machines at the gym - doesnt run, but walks at about 4 or 5kmh on an incline for approx an hour. most body builders will do this as it burns plenty of calories but their bodies dont start using muscles for energy.

jogging/running is for fitness, and you can still get people who are able to run longish distances but still have a bit of a tummy.

boxers jog mainly for stamina work, and many boxers say that fights are "won on the road". it obviously aids in keeping their weight down, but their sparring, weight and gym routines will have more effect on their weight. as will diet.

i've started to do intervals - 1min jog and 30sec run. nothing to fast yet though lol, jog speed 10.3kmh and run speed 14.0 - try to do 30mins of this 5 nights per week. feel good for it [^]

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2009 08:26
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I know from experience that KobeB knows what he's talking about - he's always extremely helpful on here with advice ...

I also know that I'll burn more calories and fat in 4 minutes of cardio work than you all will in 40 minutes of jogging ...

PP ... x

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 08:34
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

exactly. jogging is more for fitness, thats why a lot of fitness guru's are now recommending to do interval or fartlek training [^]

Spelly Posted on 14/10/2009 08:44
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

My grandad starting jogging 10 years ago - 5 miles a day














We haven't got a clue where he is now!

ClarenceofthePort Posted on 14/10/2009 08:56
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I don't know who's right or wrong in this.
For me when I get in to a regular jogging routine, I find the biggest benefit is the relaxation of the mind.
Getting to a Gym for me is difficult.

Since I changed my diet (no wheat, dairy) my joints are relatively pain free

zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 09:14
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Theres loads of benefits to jogging and that's another.
Gives me time to sort things out when I run alone.
It's great soicially when you run with others, I've made some good friends at clubs all over.
Is there any better way to take in somewhere new?
And where do you see as many fit lasses? [:P]

buttermyarse Posted on 14/10/2009 09:24
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Surely if you are jogging/running you will be raising your metabolic rate and burning calories? And if you burn off more calories than you intake through food you will lose weight.

I am sure that sitting here posting crap all day wont do a lot for you[;)]

zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 09:37
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

An endorsement from the Ponce....

FFS the poor lad's lost all credibility now.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2009 09:42
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Butters ...

Yes but to lose only 1ib a week you need to remove 3500 calories from your diet - either via food intake or exercise ... That's the equivilant of 500 calories a day ...

Do you understand how far you'd have to jog in order to burn 500 calories ... ? And that's not factoring the extra energy you'd need over and above your normal daily food intake ...

The simple fact of the matter is that jogging is rubbish ... It's that simple ...

If you're generally a super fit person - like all these boxers and athletes whom zzzz keeps linking - then of course it will help your training programme, but what KobeB is saying is that all of you fat knackers who pull yourself off the sofa and go jogging a couple of times a week will realistically get no great benefit from it ...

The weight loss you will see will also more than likely be your muscle disappearing because that's where your body feeds from if you do not condition it correctly ... Weight loss, body fat % increase ...

Hence, once you stop doing your 2 jogs a week because your knee's have gone, or you got bored of seeing the same thing then you'll put all the weight back on an more ...

Yes, increasing your heart rate is good for you, but for any real gains you need to push it to a level where it is most affective (over 100bpm) ... That's why in a 4 or 8 minute Tabatta interval set on a rower, a treadmill or up a hill (my preference) is far far better ...

People can all come on here and slate KobeB's opinion on it all they want however, the man clearly has made a living out of results - results he didn't get by making fat knackers go jogging now and again ...

KobeB - I'd like to get in touch if possible as well if you do personal training ...

PP ... x

KobeB Posted on 14/10/2009 09:45
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

this is incorrect and i would never employ you as a personal trainer if u don't know simple facts about the body's metabolic rate in a resting and exercise stressed state

....................

Why, because i, like a few other coaches try to find the best solutions? Listen, i get results, if you'd rather pay someone to get results SLOWER good for you.

I think it's fairly obvious that the bulk of calories burned are determined by our resting metabolic rate or RMR. The amount of calories burned outside of our resting metabolism (through exercise, thermic effect of feeding, etc.) is a smaller contributor to overall calories burned per day.

also that RMR is largely a function of how much muscle you have on your body — and how hard it works. Therefore, adding activities that promote or maintain muscle mass will make that muscle mass work harder and elevate the metabolic rate.

Jogging doesn't really maintain muscle or build anymore does it?



Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 14/10/2009 10:10
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

KobeB, as PP says, is there a way to contact you regarding a training program?

JonJon Posted on 14/10/2009 10:33
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

The thing about going jogging is that it's cheap and that's why "fitness professionals" don't like it. They would much rather you paid your £30 a month at the gym.

But, when you do go to a gym. Guess what? It's full of people on treadmills ... jogging.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2009 10:43
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Jogging is just as cheap as interval training ... Except it doesn't work as well and it takes up 1000% more time ...

Next ...

PP ... x

sasboro1 Posted on 14/10/2009 10:54
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I've been using the treadmill on an incline,cross trainer and mixing it with resistance machines last few months and helped me lose about a stone and get my body fat down while bulding up the muscles. I've changed my diet too. I'm quite happy doing it that way. I guess it depends how obsessed you become. I quite enjoy being on the treadmill for 30 minutes as it helps to focus your mind

Vena Posted on 14/10/2009 11:16
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

This thread has me a little worried,
Im a bit of a fatty and have recently started to go on 5ish mile jogs every other day. I have not seen much weight loss, tho that was not the issue. I do feel, however, more motivated and generally better about myself, so thats an advert for it i suppose.

Kobe- do you have a website or summet? im curious about the personal training malarkey also i have a few clients who are currently undertaking training to become fitness instructors who might be interesting in having a look.

ZZZ- Why the beef with Kobe it seems rather obsessive? I mean taking the time to google articles about athletes jogging[?]

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2009 11:34
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Vena - if you really want to see weight loss then do some interval training ...

It seems you enjoy running, so use that but you could do it on anything from a rower, a cycle etc ...

As you're running 5 miles you can probably start off with something like this:

30 Secs Sprint (High Intensity), 45 Secs Jog (Rest)

Do this for 8 - 10 reps and that's about of 10-12 minute workout per evening ...

As you get stronger you can increase the sprint to rest ratio ...

Cardio bores me, but this is a great way off getting it into your training plan ... If i'm at the gym I do it on a rowing machine but if on the streets I sprint up a hill and jog back down ...

You'll so some good weight loss results but remember that muscle does weigh more than fat so if you combine this with some resistance training then you might not see lbs falling off the scales but you'll notice a massive difference in your body ...

PP ... x

zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 11:50
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Vena, Kobe is spot on with just about everything he says but you are exactly the reason why people like him really pesh me off.

For him to say that jogging is "completely pointless" is a bollox. What it does is put doubt into the minds of people like yourself who make the effort and get off their arse and get out there and make themselves fitter and healthier.

A lot of people just starting out will think.. well fk it, if its pointless I won't bother. In fact it's counter-productive for him because the next step up for a lot of people after a little bit of jogging is joining a gym and maybe consulting a personal trainer.

The only reason I linked Pro athletes was to show how much of a bollox his statement was.

They ALL jog.

rob_fmttm Posted on 14/10/2009 12:04
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Vena - you should come down to Albert Park on a Saturday morning for the weekly 5k park run. Usually over 150 people there of all ages, sizes abilities etc but keeping fit and enjoying it. That's what it's all about for me.


Link: Albert Park run

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2009 12:07
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Zzzzz but you're comparing athletes and boxers at the peak of physical fitness to the knackers who sit on here all day and jog once or twice a week ...

So, jogging is completely pointless because it's not going to help them do what they want, i.e to lose weight ... In fact it's probably counter productive because - as Vena says - there's not much weight loss, and if there is it's probably muscle ... Once they get bored of it they'll go back to the sofa with a massive bowl of pasta with a higher % body fat than they had before they started ...

Jogging is pointless, training isn't ...

PP ... x

KobeB Posted on 14/10/2009 12:07
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Yes, they all jog. BUT does that mean it's the BEST way to go?

I don't think it is.

If you look at a boxers or an mma fighter many will incorporate 'running' not 'jogging' into their programs. It isn't the cornerstone of their program, it's an ADD ON. They have so much time to train many will use it as extra work, but does it really need to be done? I don't think it does.

Why not? Well anything that is just aerobic in nature – anything that’s long slow distance type of work really doesn’t help. The sport is too fast and too intense.

They do 3/5 minute rounds, they don't do 12 miles of running in a ring do they? No. It's an old myth that many trainers still to this day still believe in.

Boxing/mma is an ANAEROBIC sport, not an areobic sport, so the best way to train for it is to train anaerobically. Jogging is aerobic.

People get up and jog because they THINK it loses fat. It doesn't. Simple as that.

The say up to 90% of people who take up 'jogging' stop withing a couple of weeks due to injurues and remain put up off by it.

What i've been pointing out is that there are more effecient ways that are better for you, and get better results than jogging.

At the end of the day if you have an injury you go see a physio right?

If you have toothache you go to the dentist..

If you need a garage building you go see a builder...

So why do people insist on on trying to come up with a training plan for themselves when they no next to nothing (majority of people) on how to design a safe and very effective training program?

It doesn't make sense.

As for the comment about fitness professionals only say jogging is useless to get them to join a gym is laughable. In my opinion gyms are just as out dated as people's views on jogging.

Too much cardio machines, not enough space is the problem with most gyms.


KobeB Posted on 14/10/2009 12:13
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

PP/Vena

email me at page84@hotmail.co.uk


zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 12:14
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

FFS... how many times!!!

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ALL OF THAT.

I do disgaree with you making out that jogging is "completely pointless" It's not.

(Ponce, the grown ups are talking here... find a veet thread.)

KobeB Posted on 14/10/2009 12:21
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

When every other form of training is better than jogging to me it's pointless.

If you enjoy doing for 'joggings sake' then great, it's like a hobbie for some, but like i've stated it could easily be chucked off the earth and poeple wouldn't be worse for it, they'd be better.


zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 12:25
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

People would be better off not jogging than jogging? [:D]
Fk me you must be desperate for trade.
Get yourself down to Albert Park, there's 150 a week down there being "Completely pointless"

KobeB Posted on 14/10/2009 12:28
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

ZZZZ

we agree to differ. Bu t if jogging didn't exist they'd do something a lot better, i.e resistance training, intervals, complexes, etc, etc.

Have a look around at Albert Park. Count how many skinny people they are that looks 15 years older than they actually are, and also count how many people wear knee braces, run funny, due to injuris created from running, and count how many fat people they are.

Answer = lots!

Enjoy it [^]

boroboymike Posted on 14/10/2009 12:32
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"If you're looking at losing weight then jogging burns ZERO fat...."

Christ you read some shyte on here. Presumably they're all burning bone and muscle then are they?

Some 20 stone fat bloke could go jogging every other day for months, lose a few stone
and it wouldn't be fat?

I have to say I've never seen joggers with knee braces on. There are just as many studies to say jogging strengthens the joints.

A lot of bitchy fat coonts and roid-loving gym bunnies on here.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2009 12:32
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"(Ponce, the grown ups are talking here... find a veet thread.)"

How very grown up of you, zzzzz ...

PP ... x

KobeB Posted on 14/10/2009 12:44
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Some 20 stone fat bloke could go jogging every other day for months, lose a few stone
and it wouldn't be fat?
..............

You're missing the point. They wouldn't burn any fat by jogging alone. If they changed diet they'd lose weight, jogging alone doesn't burn fat.

Read this;

1.)
A 1997 study looked at two groups over 8 weeks – a strength training group and an aerobic training group (both workouts were designed to burn the exact same amount of calories Both groups followed the same diet and lost the same total amount of weight – 19.8lbs However the strength training group lost actual body fat and maintained more muscle than the aerobic group, which lost a significant amount of muscle tissue.

2.)
A 1999 study compared a resistance training and aerobic training program with a very low-calorie liquid diet and looked at it’s effects on lean muscle and resting metabolism. Both groups lost the same amount of weight but the resistance training group lost significantly more fat and did not lose any lean muscle. Additionally, the resistance training group actually increased metabolism compared to the aerobic group which decreased metabolism.

NB: Metabolism speed is KEY to fat loss.

3.)
Schuenke MD, Mikat RP, McBride JM.
Effect of an acute period of resistance exercise on excess post-exercise oxygen consumption (EPOC): implications for body fat management.
Eur J Appl Physiol 2002 Mar;86(5):411-7

This group looked at the effects of circuit weight training on EPOC. EPOC (Excess Post-Exercise Oxygen Consumption) is defined scientifically as the “recovery of metabolic rate back to pre-exercise levels”

The exercise routine consisted of three exercises (the bench press, the power clean and the squat), performed with 10RM loads as a circuit. The circuit was performed four times (i.e. twelve total sets) and took 31 mins.

EPOC was elevated for 38 hours post workout (possibly longer as this was when the researchers stopped measuring). The duration and magnitude of the EPOC observed in this study indicates the importance of the role of high intensity resistance training in a fat loss program.

zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 12:56
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Ponce, you're spouting off on here as if it's another thing you think you're expert on.

I remember some poor bloke looking for work asked for advice on here and your pearl of wisdom was "don't register with more than two agencies".

From then on IMO you just became a pinch of salt man.

But sorry "Ponce, the grown ups are talking here... find a veet thread." was OTT. Apologies.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2009 13:10
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I'm not saying I'm an expert by any stretch of the imagination - I just know a thing or two about training and diet ...

I must have some knowledge of it in order to be able to comment on it as i have done ...

I'm not sure what other things I've proclaimed to be an expert on either ...

You're just jealous cos I've got a BMW [ref]

PP ... x

FourThreeThree Posted on 14/10/2009 13:16
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Many people choose jogging because its the most convenient method of training to them, bar walking. But for a professional to say jogging is slightly insulting to the people who have worked hard jogging, or thinking about taking up jogging. Jogging is also a perfect low intensity exercise for fat loss, rather than high intensity training which uses glucose for ATP resynthesis.

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 13:34
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

jogging will only get so much weight off - you will end up at a plateau.


Nero Posted on 14/10/2009 13:40
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Jogging makes you fat...

I only ever see overweight people jogging.

I bet they were fit before they started!

FourThreeThree Posted on 14/10/2009 13:40
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"jogging will only get so much weight off - you will end up at a plateau."

Which is when you move on, but prior to that, jogging is an efficient training method for weight loss/increasing cardio-vascular fitness.

The_Dude Posted on 14/10/2009 13:42
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I lost 2 stone in 2 months purely by running 10km every other day, so to say running or jogging doesn't make you loose any weight is just plain XXXXXX

FourThreeThree Posted on 14/10/2009 13:46
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"I lost 2 stone in 2 months purely by running 10km every other day, so to say running or jogging doesn't make you loose any weight is just plain XXXXXX"

[^]

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 13:48
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

and you move onto....?

all the kinds of training that kobe has mentioned.

PP is correct in saying that you will lose weight as in mass, not necessarily body fat - which is what people are actually trying to get rid of. they think losing weight is losing body fat but are confused. jogging may lose you weight due to your body using muscle as an energy medium, thus you will appear lighter on the scales, yet you body fat %age may have increased, and body fat %age is the dangerous one.

thats how you can get "fat skinny" people lol.

and the whole BMI thing is a complete crock. for example someone who is say 5ft 8" but is heavy due to being thick set from muscle mass will have a BMI showing as over weight or obese. ridiculous.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2009 13:52
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Thank you Rod ...

PP ... x

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 13:55
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

not at all PP.

but many people are confusing the issue when they say "losing weight"; they really should be "losing body fat". weight isnt an issue if its lean tissue [^]

FourThreeThree Posted on 14/10/2009 13:55
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Jogging at a light rate causes fat to be used instead of glucose as the energy supply to resynthesise ATP. The fat is stored in the adipose tissue located just under the skin. So effectively, the more fat you burn, the more weight you lose. That's just a general outline how it works.

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 13:57
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

i agree. however for that you may as well do an incline walk on the running machine.

nothing more ridiculous than seeing people "jogging" at a walking pacce IMO. just walk uphill ffs.

KobeB Posted on 14/10/2009 14:22
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Many people choose jogging because its the most convenient method of training to them, bar walking. But for a professional to say jogging is slightly insulting to the people who have worked hard jogging, or thinking about taking up jogging

..........

Only insulting if you treat jogging as your love child.

If only 3 people on this board take my advice and look and feel better from it than i've helped 3 more people than before.

The fact is, i've highlighted the problems with it to show people there is a better way to get better results-faster.

If that's insulting then god help the world.

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 14:23
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

email sent to you kobe.

FourThreeThree Posted on 14/10/2009 14:28
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"If that's insulting then god help the world."

"Completely pointless" If I remember rightly?

Piggy Posted on 14/10/2009 14:38
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

I dont want to argue with the experts as I'm sure there are much more efficient ways to get fit, lose fat etc, but about 20 years ago in my early twenties, I did a bit of jogging.

Started just going around the block and gradually increased the distance over about a year until I could do half marathons and beyond.

I never got fast, I'd be half way down the field in the big events like the Great North Run and right at the back, being trailed by an ambulance, in events that were aimed at club runners, but I did get fitter. Much fitter. Fit enough to run for a couple of hours rather than the ten minutes that I was capable of. I also went from 14 to 12 stone and wore smaller clothes.

I didnt change my diet or my drinking habits. Nor did I go to the gym. Just jogging.

zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 14:41
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Every September 50,000 people do 13 completely pointless miles and have raised millions for charity. [^]

Vena Posted on 14/10/2009 14:44
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

PP - thanx for the advice but I would look like a bit of tit running shuttle runs up and down the lines.

ZZZ - If people are persuaded to stop doing jogging because someone on a message board said it was pointless then they deserve to be fat. I still find it hard to see why you have a problem with Koeb and are willing to waste time/energy to get one over on him.
"Kobe is spot on with just about everything he says but you are exactly the reason why people like him really pesh me off." is not a reason enough and hardly your concern.

Rob - Thanks but id rather eat my own arm, running appeals to me for the solitude and quiet,group running sounds like hell.

In defence of jogging,
I also find it a good way to exercise the dog, 2 birds one stone.

I have on occasion taken my 7 year old daughter on smaller runs, she seems to have a talent for running. She managed to keep a steady pace from South Bank to Flats lane only stopping once for drinks. Is this good? too much for her age? should I encourage it?


PinkPonce Posted on 14/10/2009 14:46
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

How can raising money for charity be pointless, zzzzz you boring repeptitive doyle ...

If they weren't making money, it'd be the most pointless waste of time ever ... [^]

PP ... x

zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 14:51
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Don't tell me "what my concern is".

Why would I try and "get one over on him"? Clearly some on here see him as an expert, on this point he's not and I'm putting him right.

For some it doesn't take a lot to lose the motivation... if you can't see that fine..

and for all you fat people out there... you deserve to be fat! [:D]

KobeB Posted on 14/10/2009 14:51
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

zzzzz

People who do the great north run do it for either

(a) to raise money

(b) to set a PB or to win a race. If you're racing you're not jogging. You're going as fast as you can over the 13 miles or whatever that distance of the race is.

That was explained pretty clearly when i spoke in detail about endurance training.


Hillwalker Posted on 14/10/2009 15:00
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Still feel good after a decent run, especially on the moors on a saturday morning - the autumn colours are fantastic this year!

FourThreeThree Posted on 14/10/2009 15:01
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

How do you know that there are only 2 reasons why people do the GNR? Ridiculous statement. What about if people want a change of environment? or just doing it for fun? ect...

KobeB Posted on 14/10/2009 15:06
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Obviously fun is a factor, usually in the form of wanting to set a target time or something along those lines.

I'm only going by people i know who have done it. I can't speak for others who might for to do it just for fun.

rob_fmttm Posted on 14/10/2009 15:10
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

It is blindingly obvious that a whole lot of people get an awful lot of benfits from jogging.




Rupert Posted on 14/10/2009 17:48
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

wots the best way to loose a beer belly then?

bear66 Posted on 14/10/2009 17:55
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Some say . . you only have so many heart beats in you. Although your heart rate increases when jogging, your resting hearbeat gets less with time. Hence, you gain overall . . . but it's not been proven . . .

Best to get your wight down first as jogging can be dangerous if you overstress your heart . . . . .

zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 21:27
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

"People who do the great north run do it for either

(a) to raise money

(b) to set a PB or to win a race. If you're racing you're not jogging. You're going as fast as you can over the 13 miles or whatever that distance of the race is.

That was explained pretty clearly when i spoke in detail about endurance training."

Kobe, thats just utterly embarrassing from a self appointed professional.

Nobody runs the GNR for a PB unless it's a first time or unless you don't do any other run.

"You're going as fast as you can over the 13 miles or whatever that distance of the race is."

You're a personal trainer for a living and you don't know how far the GNR or a half marathon is!!!!!

Kobe ... you ARE A FRAUD!

For that.. I'm out.


Magnum_PI Posted on 14/10/2009 21:36
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

For that.. I'm out.

Thank feck for that you boring tw@t

zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 21:42
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

Are you fat Magnum? You sound fat.

Magnum_PI Posted on 14/10/2009 22:18
Wot are the benefits of jogging?

How exactly does someone sound fat?