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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 13/10/2009 08:28
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

84 and still going strong! I'm sure everyone on here wishes one of our greatest prime ministers many happy returns.......

Sea_Harrier Posted on 13/10/2009 08:32
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Definite ton up thread from the "Dance On Her Grave" brigade.[smi]


onion_budgie Posted on 13/10/2009 08:36
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Not long left now

Jeremy_Clarkson Posted on 13/10/2009 08:37
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

XXXXXX is she still here? [|)]











Hatches evil plan to assassinate [:(]

Bernie_was_right Posted on 13/10/2009 08:40
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Many happy returns to Britain`s second greatest ever PM.[^]

zzzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 08:43
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

She might be still here but she's definately not all there.
Not long now.

speckyget Posted on 13/10/2009 08:48
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Second greatest Bernie?? Are you holding the top spot vacant in case LITTLEJOHN decides to enter politics?

Jeremy_Clarkson Posted on 13/10/2009 08:50
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

She will soon be with her counterpart Adolf [^]

jam69 Posted on 13/10/2009 09:15
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

aye not long now[^]

r00fie Posted on 13/10/2009 09:24
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

[cr]

red_rebel Posted on 13/10/2009 09:45
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

*kerchink*

£1252

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 13/10/2009 10:52
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Aswell as been 84 today its also 50 years ago this month she got her big break in politics and was elected as an MP. Double the reason for us all to celebrate...

The_263 Posted on 13/10/2009 10:58
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

The way she conned us over those weapons of mass destruction and the removal of Hutton was evil. What a bitch.

Fletch Posted on 13/10/2009 11:08
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Aaahh, my little Shewolf...

Adolf over the back fence (Spitting Image circa 1986)

John67 Posted on 13/10/2009 11:11
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Tebbit, at the weekend, stated that he hoped there was a particularly nasty place in hell reserved for the Brighton Bombers (everyone involved). I am sure Tebbit and Thatcher can join their mate Pinochet in the next cell. Champaignne at the ready for the many many parties set up to celebrate the day she pops down stairs.

teamleadersareidiots Posted on 13/10/2009 11:14
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I want my milk back before she pops her clogs.[:(!]

deganya Posted on 13/10/2009 11:16
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I am unashamedly a member of the 'dancing on her grave' fraternity and want to go to red rebels party.

Fletch Posted on 13/10/2009 11:29
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Count me in deganya and save a place for me, it is going to have to be a very large venue to fit everybody in who wants to be there...

John67 Posted on 13/10/2009 11:35
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

They should have a state funeral or even a national procession for her body through the country. It would be fun trying to gob over her storm troopers and on to the coffin.

speckyget Posted on 13/10/2009 11:49
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I think we've had so many dress rehearsals of this old person's demise the actual thing will be an anti climax.

It'll be the Eindhoven of despot death.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 12:41
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

A huge, HUGE, LOL at all the sad lefies on here, wishing that they could only have a Labour PM with half the quality that this woman had.

Thanks for smashing the unions and for introducing laws that ultimately, in the end, paved the way for a better life for much of Britain.

Thanks for standing up to the USSR and for helping us end the threat of Communism in Europe.

Thanks for actually winning a war which had a clear aim, a strategy, a plan!!!

Best wishes Baroness Thatcher. My God, this country is missing the likes of you.

Fletch Posted on 13/10/2009 12:55
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I'm far from a 'lefty' Guisborough_Town_Red pal but that what you have just posted is as big a load of sh*te that I have ever witnessed on here mate...

Genghis_Khan Posted on 13/10/2009 13:32
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I suspect the increased traffic will crash the site, the day she dies. Rob will announce it FMTTM national holiday.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/10/2009 13:48
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

and so it should be [:D][^]

ChrisPeaCock Posted on 13/10/2009 13:50
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I would open up the Orgreave Colliery mine shaft and through her down there, dead or alive, and issue 18000 ex miners with boots and have a state sponsored tap dance. Not long to wait now...

MoggasDog Posted on 13/10/2009 14:19
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

the woman has the biggest knob ever known - big enough to rape the whole country

my ideal ring tone would be the sound of her falling down the stairs and pleading for help while she writhes in agony at the bottom. for a long time.


Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 14:26
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Aye, she was right evil like wasn't she, what with helping to end the cold war, sending our lads 'n lasses to fight with actual aims and equipment, and smashing the unions grip on a nation so that the dead could be buried... [rle]

She was a fantastic leader, stuck by what she said, did what she said she'd do, and makes todays Nu Labour lot look like junior ministers.

A true political giant of our country, and a great one too.

speckyget Posted on 13/10/2009 14:33
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I wonder what they actually 'do' on her birthday? Perhaps Denis puts a paper bag on his head and dances around making Ian McGregor noises.

Lefty Posted on 13/10/2009 15:40
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

She's getting credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union now????

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 15:42
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

She's getting credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union now????

She played a part along with Gorby and Regan.
(The UK was still seen as a decent political and military power back then... not like America's poodle that this Labour bunch has made us become!)

zoec Posted on 13/10/2009 15:45
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I take it you don't remember the Spitting Image portrayal, Guisborough?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/10/2009 16:20
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

'The UK was still seen as a decent political and military power back then'

Confirmation that you're completely off your rocker.

Leave the farm medicines alone.

chorleyphil Posted on 13/10/2009 16:23
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I dont remember any booing and catcalling when Blair or Brown are out and about.

However, it was bedlam when Thatch went anywhere.

MAGGIE MAGGIE MAGGIE..........OUT OUT OUT!

captain5 Posted on 13/10/2009 16:26
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I doubt Denis is doing much with him currently overseeing the great gin joint in the sky, ably assisted by The Queen Mother (gawd bless 'er).

sixtyniner69 Posted on 13/10/2009 16:27
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

"84 and still going strong"

correct me if i am wrong but is she not suffering with one of the age related mind degenerative illnesses?

On 24 August 2008 it was publicly disclosed that Thatcher has been suffering from dementia

and does she still have voting rights on approving our laws?

towz Posted on 13/10/2009 16:37
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I would argue that she's always been mentally ill so what's the difference now?

sixtyniner69 Posted on 13/10/2009 16:51
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

previously she had a strong opinion even if it were wrong

now we have reformed the house of lords to give life voting to people with a mental illness. I am not saying this against the person but against a system that is clearly wrong.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 13/10/2009 17:00
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Will they find a heart if they do an autopsy,
there was never any evidence of one when she was PM

Gillandi Posted on 13/10/2009 17:01
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

"It'll be the Eindhoven of despot death." [:D]

keelo Posted on 13/10/2009 17:07
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Guisborough_Town_Red
A.K.A.Guisborough_Town_BLUE

Tory boy!!!!!!!!!

Kafka_is_bliss Posted on 13/10/2009 17:08
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

May she forever rot in hell [}:)]

bblf Posted on 13/10/2009 17:12
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Happy birthday ,I hope its your last.

mfc_1 Posted on 13/10/2009 17:14
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

personally think she did a great job.
The miners needed sorting, so did the argies, as did the ira...

well done the iron lady!


speckyget Posted on 13/10/2009 17:14
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Denis has joined the Choir Invisible??[:O]

Oh why is it always the good that are cut down in their prime?[cr]

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 13/10/2009 17:45
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Happy birthday to a great lady.[^]

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 13/10/2009 17:54
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Thatcher would have sacked Southgate by now.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 13/10/2009 18:02
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

[^][:D]

speckyget Posted on 13/10/2009 18:04
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

That means nothing. She sacked just about every poor bstad in Teesside.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 13/10/2009 18:06
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Yaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnn.

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 13/10/2009 18:07
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Happy birthday Maggie.

[^]

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 13/10/2009 18:07
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

thatcher is the reincarnation of a witch,,hope she sleeps on a bed of nails tonight,,,mind you 89 she wont have time to pull her stockings up before she pops off[cr]

Billy_Ashcrofts_afro Posted on 13/10/2009 18:17
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I hope she rots in hell for all eternity.

OP, either have a very short memory, were a yuppie, or are an idiot.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 13/10/2009 18:23
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Who was Labour Leader when she won in 1987 ??

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 13/10/2009 18:24
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

denis healy

ccole Posted on 13/10/2009 18:36
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Many happy returns to the old girl.[:X]

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 13/10/2009 18:40
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Denis Healey !?!?! Really ??!!? I remember him being deputy leader or shadow chancellor or something but never knew he was leader.

Wow. It's no wonder she won three on the belt. No opposition.

zorro_mfc Posted on 13/10/2009 19:13
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

As posted earlier....

The most devicesive, vindictive and I would argue evil regime in post war politics. Where large swaithes of the nation were just written off ( including our very own), entire communities destroyed through vindictive policies that reaked more damage on British industry than the Luftwaffe ever did. Even now almost 20 years on take a trip to to north Wales or the Durham mining belt to see the shell left behind from the last Tory Reich.

Ah yes but remember there is no such thing as society



Sign me up for those dancing lessons.

zorro_mfc Posted on 13/10/2009 19:15
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Thanks for smashing the unions and for introducing laws that ultimately, in the end, paved the way for a better life for much of Britain.


The key there being the phrase; "much of Britain", as No son of Teesside could have typed that.


borobuddah Posted on 13/10/2009 19:16
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

So many candles, hope there isn't a fire [:D]

whale_oil_beef_hooked Posted on 13/10/2009 19:18
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Only the good die young !!!!

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 13/10/2009 19:21
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

And yet she won three elections and the 'socialist' opposition took on her policies in order to get elected.

Have the British got no sense ??

ChrisPeaCock Posted on 13/10/2009 19:54
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

New Labour are not socialists, they are Tories. They carried on the policies of the Thatcher/ Major governments.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 20:10
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

'The UK was still seen as a decent political and military power back then'

Confirmation that you're completely off your rocker. Leave the farm medicines alone

Well, hang on a minute Sir!! We were able to take on the Argies without America even being mentioned under Thatcher. AND we also had a well equipped army, not overstreached in wars we should be anywhere near, but one which we were able to call up and defend British soil.

Now then son, jump ahead twenty five years, and not only do we see see President Bush humiliating Blair like he's some younger brother, but we secretly allow American planes to use BRITISH Crown territory to transport detainees to be tortured, in spite of laws against this!!! Hmmmmm. Fancy some of my farm medicine now? [;)]

Keelo - I'd rather vote Conservative and know I was getting a real Tory government, than vote Labour just 'coz I'm working class and they're us' - only to realise you've actually voted in Tory-lite.

Lets be honest here. Thatcher wouldn't have won 3 elections in a row without the vote of the working class, so she can't of all been that bad. And besides, New Labour must be the 'Socialist' Party the Tories dream about!!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/10/2009 20:16
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

'We were able to take on the Argies'

[:D]

They were young conscripts with pop guns and an old boat.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 13/10/2009 20:21
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

And exocet missiles

joshie Posted on 13/10/2009 20:21
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Exocet missiles from super etendart fighter planes, your games of soldiers with pop guns must have been fun.

Happy birthday Maggie, you dragged this country from its knees, not your fault the unions wanted us to be a third world country.


Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 20:22
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

They were young conscripts with pop guns and an old boat.

Ohhhh, were they really???
Perhaps someone like Simon Weston would agree with that comment, since his ship was hit by a fairly modern Exocet missile that the French developed and sold to Argentina.

Besides, it must have been p*ss easy really, taking a tiny island what, just ten miles off Cornwall, would you'd say? [rle]

You're starting to lose credibility here Corcaigh.

littlejimmy Posted on 13/10/2009 20:30
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Good timing that war, wasn't it? It boosted her popularity just in time for the '83 election.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 13/10/2009 20:30
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Corcaigh the clown[:D]

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 13/10/2009 20:34
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

The same country voted in a Labour government after WWII despite the leader during the War being a Conservative MP. So the theory doesn't really hold water does it l'iljim

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 20:35
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

littlejimmy

So, we now have the board Socialists on here implying that Mrs Thatcher was evil enough to somehow plan to waste a few British servicemen/women lives, in order to cling onto power.

A new low.

joshie Posted on 13/10/2009 20:38
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Im sure the 255 British families of those who died and the 100's of other injured and their families are cursing those 'pop guns' and conscripts.

onion_budgie Posted on 13/10/2009 20:50
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

The fact that the military no-mark Argies had the audacity to take on this 'great world power' and were able to capture the Falklands probably says something about what was happening to national defences at that time i.e. they were being rationalised like everything else (apart from the police maybe).

littlejimmy Posted on 13/10/2009 20:52
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

GTR, the lowest bit was before the war when it was ever-so-subtly implied to the Argentinian government that Britain was unwilling and unable to defend the islands.

And the country in 1982 was completely different to that in 1945. Hardly a viable comparison.

jam69 Posted on 13/10/2009 20:54
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

we went to war to save maggies skin, in borrowed boats, now we have a pile of shyte that costs 145 million a year to keep "british"

Sitrep Posted on 13/10/2009 21:00
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

She will go to Hell for single infamous act of sinking the Belgrano, and murdering all those sailors.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 13/10/2009 21:01
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

L'iljim .... conspiracy theories are for the tired of thinking.

We had just won a war against an oppressive military regime. Seems viable to me. Starting a war to win an election is not credible. It would have been cheaper to knock 10p off the price of petrol and there would be less deaths.
Having said that... Thatchers apprentice did the same thing with Iraq with 100% less justification

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 21:07
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

...when it was ever-so-subtly implied to the Argentinian government that Britain was unwilling and unable to defend the islands.

The differance now being, under this shambolic Labour lot, this country probably IS now unwilling and unable to defend!!


we went to war to save maggies skin

Nothing to do about defending sovereign British territory then??


in borrowed boats,

F*cking good boats if they were borrowed like!!! Can I borrow one? Pretty please??


Now we have a pile of shyte that costs 145 million a year to keep "british"

We still have other small Crown territories scattered all over the place, proudly calling themselves British. Whats wrong with that?? Oh sorry, Labour don't like Britishness. It's a bit un-pc or something these days!

littlejimmy Posted on 13/10/2009 21:10
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Oppressive military regime my arse. Argentina was on its backside and Galtieri was desperate for popularity as well. It's not a conspiracy theory. There are plenty of historical facts out there that point to it being a war of convenience, the key one being that her government were incredibly unpopular before the war. I think Blair's reasons for invading Iraq were different, but no less deceitful and underhand.

I don't know why Maggie fans are so outraged at the idea anyway. Surely they would admire such ruthless ambition, which is the hallmark of her premiership, is it not? As for letting a few working-class lives get in the way...well her track record on that speaks for itself with the way she decimated thousands of lives in the Industrial Heartlands of the North and went after the miners because of what they'd done to Heath.

jam69 Posted on 13/10/2009 21:14
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

your easily fooled GTR think you need to do some research instead of relying on the sun and sport

Sitrep Posted on 13/10/2009 21:17
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

we went to war to save maggies skin

Nothing to do about defending sovereign British territory then??


She had already passed a bill to deny the Falklanders British Citizenship, she didn’t think they were British and this was yet another sign to Argentinians that Thatcher wasn’t interested in these Islands.


This was a totally fabricated war

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 21:19
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Oppressive military regime my arse.

Yep. It was in fact the most democratically elected government you could have wished for!! You heard it first here, folks! [rle]


Argentina was on its backside and Galtieri was desperate for popularity as well.

True. Hardly Mrs T's fault though he decided to invade.


There are plenty of historical facts out there that point to it being a war of convenience.

Plenty? Ok. Name five facts.


I think Blair's reasons for invading Iraq were different, but no less deceitful and underhand.

Mrs T didn't, err, invade though did she?


Surely they would admire such ruthless ambition, which is the hallmark of her premiership, is it not?

Yes. I actually admire her ruthlessness in a way. Her courage to do what SHE wanted to do, even if it meant infuriating some of her citizens beats hands down Blairs 'Aren't I nice to everyone' cheesy fakeness.

littlejimmy Posted on 13/10/2009 21:22
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

OK, not an oppressive military regime of any note compared to Hitler's Nazis. They didn't exactly have the world cowering in fear.

keelo Posted on 13/10/2009 21:25
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Its hard for me to imagine anyone that would vote for a party with a front bench that really gives as much thought about you as they do about Father Xmas....Enter David Cameron, George Osbourne et al

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 13/10/2009 21:28
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

So what if we indicated to the Argies we didn't have the capability to defend it? Mind games that the Argies gambled upon, and lost.

And pity the poor Belgrano - even the admiral in charge of the taskforce stated Britain was perfectly within our rights to sink it, and they knew and understood that the rules of engagement had changed to include attacks outside of the exclusion zone.

Still, never let a fact get in the way of a bit of Maggie bashing eh?

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 21:29
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Well, they're getting my vote. And the chances are, plenty more across England too!

Sitrep Posted on 13/10/2009 21:30
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

my hero


Link: Diana Gould

HolgateCorner Posted on 13/10/2009 21:32
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

The worst prime minister this country has ever had the misfortune to suffer.

In fairness to the Tories they did wake up in the end and rightly kicked her out of office with very little ceremony.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 21:35
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

You're hero? (heroine surely?)

Why did you sink the nasty enemy ship first Mrs T?? You know fine well us Brits play fair and we should of at least let them fire first!! [rle]
You'll be wishing the scum won next! [rle]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 21:38
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

The worst prime minister this country has ever had the misfortune to suffer.

So bad in fact, toffs and working class folk alike voted her in...again and again!! Truely awful n'est-ce pas?!

jam69 Posted on 13/10/2009 21:39
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

ship was sailing away, maggie needed to stir the sun readers into action at the ballot box, needs must and all that.

HolgateCorner Posted on 13/10/2009 21:40
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Thatcher played the hero to a few hundred Falklanders and there was nothing wrong with that because they were British citizens.

It's just a pity she didn't also try to play the hero to a few million people back on the mainland who suffered her disastrous economic policies for 10 years.

Lest we forget come the next election.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 21:41
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Newspapers don't win elections. Don't believe everything you read, will you!

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 21:44
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Lest we forget come the next election.

Yeah but it'll be 2010 not 1990!

HolgateCorner Posted on 13/10/2009 21:45
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Thatcher won 3 elections mainly because the Labour vote was badly split in the marginals following the SDP gang of four breakaway.

When Labour got itself sorted it was back, and it will be back again no matter what happens at the next election.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 13/10/2009 21:46
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Well done GTR, you've tied these socialist sheep, in knots.[^][:D][^]

Sitrep Posted on 13/10/2009 21:46
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

What i do hope is she dies 3 weeks before the election, and the media show her Tory triumphs, among them the decimation of manufacturing industry, mass unemployment, interest rates at 14%, and the poll Tax. It would be so ironic if she kept labour in power

HolgateCorner Posted on 13/10/2009 21:49
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Tommy Trinder - I can't believe you posted that - are you GTR posting under two names?

Or are you Tory Boys even dafter than I thought?

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 13/10/2009 21:51
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Very rich. coming from nu labour.[rle]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 21:53
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

HolgateCorner

No...There's just lots and lots of Tories about these days...many of them dissilusioned (sp?) Labour voters! [:D]

HolgateCorner Posted on 13/10/2009 21:55
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Tommy - at least try to post something with some credibility even if it's just some stupid Tory propaganda rather than clapping your hands at some of the daft one liners posted by GTR above.

littlejimmy Posted on 13/10/2009 21:56
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Ton up. Will Maggie make the ton herself?

HolgateCorner Posted on 13/10/2009 21:57
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

keep tugging your forelock up in woolly back land GTR, they'll find something for you to do on the estate if things get bad under Cameron.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 21:58
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

daft one liners

Cheeky get!! I've at least tried to debate on here lol! (Oh, there's another one-liner!)

Anyway, night night my Socialist friends.

P.s. Up the Boro! Agreed? [;)]

HolgateCorner Posted on 13/10/2009 22:01
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

yes agreed about the Boro[^][:D]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 22:03
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I sent Maggie a Boro scarf for her birthday today. Is that good or bad? [:D]

parrot Posted on 13/10/2009 22:09
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

so much nonsense, where to start?

some really naive comments on here and some folk who really need to study some history

i can state now i am in maggies corner

sign of a true leader to make unpopular decisions and policies that were in fact for the benefit of the nation at large

not her fault there are many either too dumb to see it or too blinded by gutter politics form the opposition to appreciate it, are you really that easily fooled?

i'm neither tory or labour, maybe some of you should consider being the same instead of blind loyalty to out moded ideals and rallying around flags that no longer represent you.

we sank french warships in ww2, killing 100's of french sailors in order to stop them coming back to bite us in the arse later, it's war - there are no rules!

tell me exactly the direct thatcherite policies that affected teesside during her reign?

british steel and corus would have went under years ago if thatcher never got a grip when she did

NONE on here could have done the job she did, took the decisions she took and did it with such dignity

would you really have tony blair and gordon brown over MT? then you really are the most juvenile, naive fools.

hats off to maggie, cut form same cloth as all the greatest leaders of this country

mugs are the same who would have voted against winston after ww2

labour stooges, you been suckered kids

Fletch Posted on 13/10/2009 22:18
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Regardless of your views and opinions about her and her mob the FACT remains it took a totally avoidable conflict and 255 of our brave lad’s lives to raise her popularity to a level where a general election was winnable.

And if you want to know what one of our top soldiers down south view of her and her cronies was read ‘No Picnic - 3 Commando Brigade in the Falklands’ by Julian Thompson the brigadier who commanded 3 Commando Brigade during the conflict.

I can only assume that there are a few wind up merchants on here coupled with some who are too young or too stupid to remember or experienced firsthand what a Tory government was really like and the damage they did to this country and our area in particularly.

Lest we forget, goodnight and god bless...

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 13/10/2009 22:27
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

And what exactly have the Labour government done for Teesside?

And conveniently you don't mention the fact we are now in a unwinnable conflict in a nation 7,000 miles away, where British soldiers are dying weekly because a Labour, yes Labour, prime minister lied to the nation in order to appease his inbred yankee puppet master.

I can't see how you can openly berate Britain's finest ever leader without contemplating those points.

Teesvillain Posted on 13/10/2009 22:32
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

I think she should be buried in the Falklands, let the Argies dig her up and give her a seeing off

chorleyphil Posted on 13/10/2009 22:33
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

Thats crap Warwick.

Afganistan is totally justifiable.
and we arent puppets either, as we own a great debt to the USA. We couldnt turn our baks like some nations did after 911.
I for one am proud of that.


How can anyone condone Thatcher and her use of the police as her own pritave army?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/10/2009 22:38
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

'And what exactly have the Labour government done for Teesside?'

Next to nothing. They're a Tory party, what did you expect. Do you think their succesors will be any different?



parrot Posted on 13/10/2009 22:40
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

because no "upper" or "middle" class officers died in the falklands eh?

colonel H jones?

hypocrisy to new levels

well not really, same old sh1te

might that chap have had books to sell and he realised that an anti thatcherite tone would prove popular?

at least denis thatcher just stayed in the back ground and rank gin unlike tony's ugly bitch cash cow milking wife

chorleyphil Posted on 13/10/2009 22:43
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I despair at some of the ill informed yuppie trash posted on here.

Your from Boro FFS.

Read.

parrot Posted on 13/10/2009 22:48
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so if you're form boro you have to subscribe to the labour propaganda of the day?

explain to me the direct impact she had on boro and local industries and tell me how 12 years of labour government have changed anything?

suckers

Teesvillain Posted on 13/10/2009 22:50
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parrot, that is probably cos Dennis was a true toff, not like his greengrocer wife, and didn't need to carve himself a wedge out of his beloved's position. Had the misfortune to meet him once, he was honest to god the most arrogant XXXXXX i've ever met

jam69 Posted on 13/10/2009 22:50
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labour have done many good things over he last 12 years, min wage investment in the public sector etc, tell me one policy you like from daves lot, dont believe all you read in the tory media

chorleyphil Posted on 13/10/2009 22:55
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I'm sure your a decent bloke Parrot, and indeed GTR.
This labour goverment has done very little to reverse the trend of industrial decline. Perhaps it was impossible to reverse, I dont know.
Anyway, whatever your misgivings are toward Labour, please dont use this to extole the virtues of a Tory party that devasted so many lives and communities of the area.
That all!

Dibzzz Posted on 13/10/2009 22:58
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Happy Birthday you evil witch. Ere, hang on, where's me fcking milk?

Teesvillain Posted on 13/10/2009 23:06
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Whatever you think of her success in 3 elections, dont forget the strong feeling the the second was won after she left the Falklands exposed to win her second.

The Argie army that you speak of were in the main conscripts, a few of who I met who reckon from their side was an excuse to right off the desparecidos that were done away with the military junta

I dont think Blair went to Iraq with the intent of winning an election....in fact that led us to losing the Eurovision Song Contest

parrot Posted on 13/10/2009 23:14
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my comments re: dennis were a bit flippant tbh, i can imagine him being a right cu nt

i'm not into party politics as such so don't try and get me to justify what dave is doing or would do, it's quite frightening tbh what he might do

you cant say the blair labour government had their hands tied or their die cast due to what maggie did without acknowledging what the labour government prior to thatchers election left them

in short, all politicians bent bast ards, some more so than others but i do and will always honour MT, and before TB any day.

too many here just jumping on the bandwagon of sh1te like spitting image and the young ones and ben elton form when they were kids

TB couldnt lace MT's DM's and as for GB FFS! GMS!!

Teesvillain Posted on 13/10/2009 23:17
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to be fair on him, i saw him knock down three double G&Ts before the others had got half way down their pint

but with a missus like that, who could blame him

Teesvillain Posted on 13/10/2009 23:21
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I wonder what a legacy a Northern version who decimated life in the south of england would have had

chorleyphil Posted on 13/10/2009 23:23
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No mate. Many are on the bandwagon of despair of the Thatcheite policies that ravaged the industrial North.

ChrisPeaCock Posted on 13/10/2009 23:38
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Parrot. I think you need to study history fella. There are plenty of rules that govern war. Have a look at the link below , it is not a bad starting point....


Link: Geneva Convention...

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 13/10/2009 23:43
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'The UK was still seen as a decent political and military power back then'

Yeah???

We had to beg the yanks for sidewinder missiles for the harriers during the Falklands war.
As is so often the case the polititians get it wrong and the forces dig them out of the mire

Fletch Posted on 14/10/2009 07:09
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parrot I've just read your post fully and have come to the conclusion that your off your rocker kidder, either that or it's a very poor wind up attempt...

mooghead Posted on 14/10/2009 07:31
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Thatcher Fukced the Kids


Link: great song

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 07:42
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I think the main point of this debate is that someone came on here to wish a former PM happy birthday, perhaps knowing it would cause a bit of a rift...Yet what then happened is that there were a string of insults, and I would guess that the majority of people making them can only think of 80's unemployment, miners strikes and the poll tax.

They are completely forgetting the achievements of Mrs Thatcher and the bigger picture of her reign in power, and are instead acting like sheep follwing each other and seeing who can lead with the best derisory remark!

All this towards a PM who was so great, that even now, nearly 20 years after she left office, her presence is still there in the current political sphere.

Fletch Posted on 14/10/2009 08:49
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Its called personnal experience mate...

Sod the miners, what about the steelworkers, my household lost the 2 main wage earners, my old man and our kid, in one fell swoop which devestated our lives and is still fresh in my memory...

What about the Dockers?
What about using the Police the way she did?
What about unjust poll tax?

All in this area

The_263 Posted on 14/10/2009 10:01
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With age (mid 40's) I have developed a respect for Maggie and what she achieved as a leader. She might not be the most likeable person in the world, in fact she was bording on awful, but she was a decisive leader.

The blue Labour sold out under Blair - so this working class alliance with blue Labour is complete schight!! The blue Labour are not exactly ex council estate boys are they???

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 10:03
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The Labour leadership have always been fairly middle class to be fair.

The_263 Posted on 14/10/2009 10:07
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In other words, better the devil you know!

deganya Posted on 14/10/2009 10:30
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After reading all the tory crap on here, its made me even more determined to dance on her grave.

typical comment above, 'newspapers don't win elections'

Hmm think you find they do mate!! But a stupid comment like that just shows how ill informed you really are.

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 10:31
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I suppose those are other words, yes.

The_263 Posted on 14/10/2009 10:37
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If Thatcher was sat in Stuart Bell's seat she couldn't do any worse!!

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 11:27
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typical comment above, 'newspapers don't win elections'
Hmm think you find they do mate!! But a stupid comment like that just shows how ill informed you really are.

Ok then, either prove it or retract that comment.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 11:36
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Fletch

Sorry that your family suffered job losses under Thatcher. Bit like what a lot of people are going through now under Mr Brown's Labour lot. Except this time, I've heard political commentators point out that the job losses now, especially in the skilled trade, are irreplacable, and are lost forever.

Perhaps in a few years time when Mr Blair and Brown are getting on a bit, there will be people on here vilifying Labour's leaders for their political mistakes, economic mis-management, dodgy foreign policies, and military disasters...all of which has contributed to screwing up this country big time.

mfc_1 Posted on 14/10/2009 11:38
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What she did for the dockers benefited the majority of them.

It was an industry where the select few got the pick of the jobs day in day out whilst the majority of the dockers picked up the scraps.

My family went through the dockers strike and we came out the other end thousands of pounds better off there after.

Good on the old girl - she knew what was right and what was wrong. If it was wrong you were f*****d!

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 11:39
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'Except this time, I've heard political commentators point out that the job losses now especially int he skilled trade, are irreplacable, and are lost forever.'


So when the shipyards went the journey in the 80s we only lost unskilled jobs?

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 11:42
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Too right it was a skilled job - but the question is, how many of them were actually DOING the skilled work? As mfc_1 says, ultimately, those who picked themselves up become far far better off under Thatcher than at any other time in their lives - she even let ya buy your home off the council too - a fantasic policy!

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 11:44
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I take it you've never worked in a shipyard.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 11:50
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NO. Why does that matter?

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 11:52
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Well, it certainly impacts upon your ability to back up statements like

"Too right it was a skilled job - but the question is, how many of them were actually DOING the skilled work?"

Because it might suggest you are not particularly well informed on your subject.

The_263 Posted on 14/10/2009 11:57
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I worked with a bunch of southern gucci-socialists who had all graduated from red-brick universtities. They all had one thing in common: they all detested Maggie. This utter contempt for Maggie could only be matched by their dislike of the typical northern working class council estate monkey. I am sure one was called Tony.

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 14/10/2009 11:59
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This thread lacks balance, this is my honest opinion, I'm in my 40s and working class, from a labour family and have voted both Conservative and Labour.

1. The unions were ruining the country,no doubt, I could see this as a 16 year old.

2. The unions power did need reducing, Thatcher sorted that. However she did it in a provocative and confontational manner, not good.

3. She used the Police in such a negative way during the miners strike that they will never recover, regarding the publics respect.The Police are now seen to serve the Government of the day, not the people, something very different.

4. Unempoyment; Jobs and communities were wiped out. Thatcher did this knowing we would have generations of unemployed. An under-class has since emerged, to remain for good. This is her biggest and most shameful legacy.

5. The Falklands War; This helped her massively, a war I believe any resonable government could have prevented.

6. Labour and the unions have to take responsibility for letting the county slide, so such drastic measures had to be taken.

7. Thatcher was a great leader and politician, but did she care for the people of Briain.... NO, definitley, NOT.

Finally, Its not so much what Thatcher did, it was the way that she did it, thats why people, like me, who have voted for her, detest her.......she was a heartless human being !


chorleyphil Posted on 14/10/2009 12:03
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why did the coal mines have to close?

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 12:08
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The unions power did need reducing, Thatcher sorted that. However she did it in a provocative and confontational manner, not good.

Is there ANOTHER way to deal with Unions like?!? She did what she does very well - stand up for herself and her government!!


Thatcher did this knowing we would have generations of unemployed

GENERATIONS? I thought a mere 2 PM's later, it was at it's lowest ever level!!


a war I believe any resonable government could have prevented

Yeah. Just surrender historic British territory...it's probably Argentine anyway!Dear me. [rle]


but did she care for the people of Britian.

She certainly stood up for British interests, even if not all Britons warmed to her.

The_263 Posted on 14/10/2009 12:09
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The point is, you should be in full control of your life (including a career path) and learn to become independent, not relying on politicians to provide you with a weekly pay-packet. All politicians will feed you anything you want to hear. You use the system to acheieve your goals (legally or even illegally if that's the way you are). To finger point all blame on politicians is stupid and naive.

In saying that I agree that any government should be prepared to protect it's own industry (especially in cases like Teesside where a few industries dominates employment figures)to a degree: the Germans did it with BASF. Even if an industry is in uncontrollable gradual decline the local politics of that affected area should be adjusted to change the attitude of the schools, parents, people etc etc. Instead we have utter pocket liners like Bell t0ssing it off in France whilst his constituency transforms into a ghetto. An abrupt change needs to be avoided - politicians in this respect have failed.

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 12:10
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Why would preventing the war have meant surrendering the Falklands?


zoec Posted on 14/10/2009 12:12
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Very, very well said, somethingtodowithdeath.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 12:15
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Why would preventing the war have meant surrendering the Falklands?

I can't HONESTLY see Argentina agreeing to (even UN) demands to leave without SOME kind of bargain in it for them...such as sharing or agreeing to take over xxx years later.

Do you REALLY think they'd say, oh hang on, this is British afterall, and now they're a bit angry - Lets just go home!! Me neither!

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 12:18
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No, preventing the war means stopping them invading in the first place, rather than -say - withdrawing our only naval presence in the area as a cost cutting measure.

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 14/10/2009 12:19
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GTR, You can only see one side of the discussion, a 'Blind Tory' in other words.

There is no point me replying, you are ill-informed and lost.









somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 14/10/2009 12:21
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zoec

Thanks [^]

zoec Posted on 14/10/2009 12:23
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Guisborough, I'd be very interested to hear if you've formed your views after studying up on the subject or if they were formed during the events.

That isn't meant to be a trick question, btw, just wondering.

Sitrep Posted on 14/10/2009 12:24
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Why would preventing the war have meant surrendering the Falklands?


He might mean, prevention as in leaving some sort of military/Navel presence in the south Atlantic instead of sending all the wrong signals, by pulling everyone out apart from a few Sheppard’s who she had already told weren’t entitled to a British passport

LeitrimBoro Posted on 14/10/2009 12:34
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I`ll think you will find, if I might voice an opinion that the Falklands "War" was not a war but a conflict.
BTW. Maggie? horrible woman.

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 12:36
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It was certainly a 'conflict' at the time. It only became a 'war' when we'd won.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 12:38
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Guisborough, I'd be very interested to hear if you've formed your views after studying up on the subject or if they were formed during the events.

Well, I grew up in the 80's and had a happy childhood living in Hunters Hill, Guisborough, and to be honest these events you mention didn't exist for me. My mum worked in various shops around town, my dad at ICI. He always seemed to be away on office meetings and trips all over the world. I guess as I didn't do to bad, I didn't complain about the Tories.

The_263 Posted on 14/10/2009 12:39
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thought it was impossible to win a war?

Bottom line is that Blair and Brown have been proved be as callous, unyielding and horribly ambititious as Maggie.

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 12:42
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'these events you mention didn't exist for me.'

Ah.

deganya Posted on 14/10/2009 12:52
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typical comment above, 'newspapers don't win elections'
Hmm think you find they do mate!! But a stupid comment like that just shows how ill informed you really are.

Ok then, either prove it or retract that comment

I will be glad to prove it

Why did Tony Blair fly to Australia in 1997 to meet with Rupert Murdoch and broker a deal him?

Answer - That deal got the Sun newspaper to back a labour govenment at the next election.
Because he had to, without the sun readers on board there was a chance Labour would not have won that election.

I can see your a Sun reader or perhaps you have upgraded to the Daily Mail going by some of your ill informed comments.

zoec Posted on 14/10/2009 12:53
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"these events you mention didn't exist for me"

I did think that might have been the case. Without getting into the home politics, your views of the actions of the UK and its world standing at the time of the Falklands, seem to have been formed second hand rather than from experience.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 13:05
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deganya - But that doesn't MEAN the paper won it though...It MAY have swayed SOME opinion among SOME of the readers, but even that's debatable!

Zoec - Ok, so I got 'lucky' and Thatcher was good for me, but surely I won't have been the only one who ultimately benefitted from her legecy? Are we REALLY worse off now than in the 70's???

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 13:09
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at least she was decisive, we seem to lack that in a leader in recent years.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 14/10/2009 13:10
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"these events you mention didn't exist for me"

Unfortunately they seem to have been forgotten by a few of the older members too.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 13:11
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' seem to have been formed second hand rather than from experience'

how patronising, from the person who has said hindsight is a wonderful thing on here before.

zoec Posted on 14/10/2009 13:17
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somethingtodowithdeath summed it up very well for me above; there were both pros and cons. But his third point, illustrating where she used the police as a weapon against the public has caused more long-term damage to this country that a lot of her policies. Respect for the police and authority was fundamentally undermined and this, together with her fostering of the "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, has forged the general lack of respect to anyone or for anything shown by a fair few people in the country today.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 14/10/2009 13:20
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zoec [^]

spot on

zoec Posted on 14/10/2009 13:20
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Don't be stupid, Raz.

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 13:22
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Now that's ambitious.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 13:22
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well dont you be patronising zoe.

it's not very nice and is a very cheap shot.


Rodney_Trotter Posted on 14/10/2009 13:22
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If Maggie was so bad how did she win 3 elections on the bounce against the working mans dream of Socialism?

Or was it Nu Labour in the 80`s too?[rle]

chorleyphil Posted on 14/10/2009 13:23
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How many riots has nu labour had to deal with?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 14/10/2009 13:41
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'newspapers don't win elections'

You do all your own research do you?

Of course they win elections. They also set the agenda.

chorleyphil Posted on 14/10/2009 13:45
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I remember Kinnock's campaign being in tatters when Today newspaper asked it readers to switch allegence within weeks to the election.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 13:48
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'You do all your own research do you?

Of course they win elections. They also set the agenda.'

i guess the tories will win now because the Sun favour them now.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 13:53
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'newspapers don't win elections'
You do all your own research do you?
Of course they win elections. They also set the agenda

Except you're wrong!! When The Sun recently switched back to the Tories, all the news reporters stressed that any newspaper alone does NOT win elections!! It was said on TV by various political analysis (sp?) a few weeks back, and I'm not lying to you! We could ALL be wrong like...

chorleyphil Posted on 14/10/2009 13:54
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It did back then

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 13:55
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yeah it was the sun back then that changed everything.

that god for the sun newspaper.

ha ha ha

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 13:58
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This country would have been well and truely screwed had Kinnock's Socialist cowboys won, so thanks, my Sun! [;)]

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 14:00
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It'll be 'Gotcha!' next.

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 14:01
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all her chickens are coming home to roost.

she sold off the utilities - bad move.
closed ship yards and coal mines - bad move.

she sent ill equiped troops to war - falklands.

wouldnt wish anyone dead, but i keep a dyas holiday back each year to let me be able to celebrate her passing [ref]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 14:06
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closed ship yards and coal mines - bad move.
Not really. Most people just got new jobs and eventually were able to buy their own homes, and became more wealthier than ever before.

she sent ill equiped troops to war.
Ill equipped?! I think our lads n lasses in Iraq and Afghanistan may have a few words to say about that!! Because of what your Labour lot have done, they're dying out there. AND BOTH of these wars are unwinnable, oh, and just whats the aim of them again, please??

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 14:08
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i remember them going to war in cruise ships.

"closed ship yards and coal mines - bad move.
Not really. Most people just got new jobs and eventaully bougth their own homes and because more wealthier than ever before"

have you been around the areas where these industries were closed?
bought their own homes - ah yes. now we have no social housing and these very same wealthy peoples children cant get on the housing ladder.

top move maggie.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 14:15
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have you been around the areas where these industries were closed?

Most of these areas are now probably transformed with brand new industries (Shopping stores / High Tec industrial parks etc) to replace to old industry. Work changes through history ya know. It happens....

now we have no social housing and these very same wealthy peoples children cant get on the housing ladder.

Well, they can now coz Mr. "No More Boom And Bust" Brown not so long ago just crashed the housing market. [rle]

chorleyphil Posted on 14/10/2009 14:17
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Were you around when 911 happened GTR.


Some of your retorts are becoming tiresome now old chap!

speckyget Posted on 14/10/2009 14:19
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'Most of these areas are now probably transformed with brand new industries'

You need to get out of Guisborough more, unpleasant as that might be.

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 14:19
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you're missing the point guisboro. the housing market up heavel was started all those years ago by selling off the social housing, and making epole believe that they should own their house, when for god knows how long they were happy renting - and paying rent that they could afford.
cue buying their house and unscrupulous loan/mortgage people saying they had equity. not blaming thathcer or brown for that though lol.

shopping stores-hi tec parks - come off it man. how many ex miners/steel workers etc do you see working in call centres.

easington, hartlepool, dawdon, seaham etc etc - hardly transformed are they. and those are withing spitting distance.

yes industry has changed - but for the worse. and there really isnt any.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 14:25
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chorleyphil

You don't seem to say much! Do you actually have anything USEFUL to say? Sorry I may be tiring, but I'm sticking to my guns!!


Rod100

They must have got work somewhere since we used to have so little on the dole in the Thatcher-inherited Blair years.

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 14:26
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they just end up doing pointless schemes etc to keep them off the dole lol

The_263 Posted on 14/10/2009 14:28
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Isn't Brown intending to sell off government owned property, a bridge and Eurostar in an extreme capitalist move to raise cash?

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 14:29
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yes. just like dear thatcher sold off the utilities etc.

i sympathise with him about this. if the tories hadnt made such a bad fist of things all those years ago then we may have still had industry etc and manufacture things to get money in.

chorleyphil Posted on 14/10/2009 14:35
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GTR. I am finding it dificult to respond now.
I am off to watch some paint drying!

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 14:46
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You might as well mate, considering your valued and knowledgeable contributions to this thread! [;)]

chorleyphil Posted on 14/10/2009 14:55
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your boring the tits off me [;)]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 14/10/2009 15:05
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'Because of what your Labour lot have done, they're dying out there. AND BOTH of these wars are unwinnable, oh, and just whats the aim of them again, please??'

I'm not one of the 'Labour lot' but I do know that the same would have happened if the Tories had been in power. The involvement in the Middle East is a continuation of the forlock tugging well established by Thatcher during her 'special relationship' with Ronald Ray Gun. Had she been PM we would have had more troops out there, that's the only difference.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 15:08
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'would have happened if the Tories had been in power'

tories can never win then!!

ha ha.


Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 15:16
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So much so, ya've come back! Yey! [;)]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 15:21
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but I do know that the same would have happened if the Tories had been in power

You're wasted on this board, Mystic Meg! In all seriousness though, yes, Regan and Maggie were mates, but the special relationship was less one sided than it is now, and what you've said will never be known. (Notice however, that NO-ONE ONCE called Maggie Regans poodle - ho hum, Blair!)

zoec Posted on 14/10/2009 15:25
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Guisborough, I can't do it because I'm at work, but do a youtube search for Spitting Image, Maggie and Poodle.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 14/10/2009 15:38
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'but the special relationship was less one sided than it is now'

You're in cloud cuckoo land. It was no different. She was given lots of stick about being Reagan's lackey. Not in the press you were reading, obviously.

ChrisPeaCock Posted on 14/10/2009 15:39
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I often wonder why more was not said about the Yanks invading Grenada since it is part of the Commonwealth, or why American Bombers were allowed to fly from British soil in the 80's. Anyone care to expand why the Tories where poodles to the Regan during this period...

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 15:40
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i try not to base my political reasoning on spitting image.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 15:43
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Spitting Image. Good programme...but it's hardly as well known as the global view of Bush/Blair though?

zoec Posted on 14/10/2009 15:46
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"(Notice however, that NO-ONE ONCE called Maggie Regans poodle - ho hum, Blair!)"

But they did. It was a widely held view, satirised by Spitting Image.

joshie Posted on 14/10/2009 15:46
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Could someone please explain to me how a labour government would have maintained the industries Maggie is blamed for dismantling.

During those times and all the period since?

I am genuinely interested as I just cant see how it would have been viable in the changing world markets.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 14/10/2009 15:47
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"I often wonder why more was not said about the Yanks invading Grenada since it is part of the Commonwealth,"

They did criticise it though! What do you want them to do? Invade the USA?

"or why American Bombers were allowed to fly from British soil in the 80's."

Nowadays they just stop for re-fuelling whilst illegally kidnapping and transporting suspects, with the agreement of Labour[rle]


NedKat Posted on 14/10/2009 15:51
Happy Birthday Lady Thatcher

The Iron Lady ... some of her policies did help the country, but her dogged determination to put the working class squarely in their place has caused social problems which we are still suffering.

I'm convinced she destroyed a whole generation of people, wiped them out, and ruined their lives completely. That generation and their children sank into an abysmal place, out from which crawled a whole new generation. The tribe we now call the Chav ... I totally blame Thatcher for the awful degeneration the working class was forced to endure. She is responsible for a lot of what we see today !

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 15:53
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Thatcher opposed the Grenada operation and told Regan she did...unfortunately, taking on the Yanks was a task even too big for her!!!

As for American bombers, they've been flying from almost every soil in the world since the end of WW2 - mind you, nowadays the Labour lot like to include flights from our soil where people can be sent for torture. lol.

Keep it up!

ChrisPeaCock Posted on 14/10/2009 15:53
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The point i was making was that the Tories of the 80's where as bad as New Labour for being the Yanks Poodles.

Quote: In all seriousness though, yes, Regan and Maggie were mates, but the special relationship was less one sided than it is now...

ChrisPeaCock Posted on 14/10/2009 16:10
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What do you mean by this statement:

Thatcher opposed the Grenada operation and told Regan she did...unfortunately, taking on the Yanks was a task even too big for her!!!

Lefty Posted on 14/10/2009 16:28
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He means

'in case you were still wondering if I was a knob head after my comments on the part Mrs Thatcher played in the collapse of the USSR, may I just confirm that I am.'


ChrisPeaCock Posted on 14/10/2009 17:01
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Have you any evidence that shows how the Mining/ Steel Communities have prospered and flourished since the closure of their Industries....

Quote: Most of these areas are now probably transformed with brand new industries (Shopping stores / High Tec industrial parks etc) to replace to old industry.

parrot Posted on 14/10/2009 18:16
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"Its called personnal experience mate...

Sod the miners, what about the steelworkers, my household lost the 2 main wage earners, my old man and our kid, in one fell swoop which devestated our lives and is still fresh in my memory...

What about the Dockers?
What about using the Police the way she did?
What about unjust poll tax?

All in this area"

give it a rest, you sound like a bleating scouser

she was PM and had to make unpopular decisions

would you rather repeats of the winter of discontent?

BS was full of loafers taking the pi55, the 70's equivalent of today's benefit system

christhepeaXXXXXX

dont make me laugh, are you that naive? the geneva XXXXXXing war convention

are you getting confused with your childhood games of japs and commandos?


parrot Posted on 14/10/2009 18:25
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"at least she was decisive, we seem to lack that in a leader in recent years."

are you talking about the government or about the boro now?

ChrisPeaCock Posted on 14/10/2009 18:26
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Not confused Parrot, far from it as plenty of people have been charged and brought to justice for War Crimes, some of them in this decade. Granted some got away, but to say they are no rules in War is wrong...

HolgateCorner Posted on 14/10/2009 18:28
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parrot - when you firstappeared on this thread you pretended you were neutral, neither labour or tory.

What a load of boll****, I can smell a rank tory a mile off and you are as rank as they come.

At least most of the other tory boys on here are open and, dare I even say it, actually proud of being a Tory boy. At least they stand up and be counted instead of trying to sit there in some superior, parent like stance that they are in the referees corner and somehow know better.

Get off the fence man and admit it, you are a Tory. Come to terms with it.

parrot Posted on 14/10/2009 19:09
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not a tory at all

i've never voted tory ever

why would i hide it on a message board

i just find the whole "aren't the tories awful" charade a bit pathetic

what i will commit to is that if i had to choose between thatcher and blair or brown i would choose MT every time

the ones feeling sorry for themselves and blaming thatcher for their past or, laughably, present woes are the folk who want spoon feeding through life

things change if you want to survive you must change with them

adapt, survive, overcome as they say


Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 19:15
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ChrisPeaXXXXXX.
I ment to say that Thatcher at least TRIED to stand up to Regan r.e. Grenada, something which Nu Labour never tried with Bush. Oh and Chris, the word RE-GENERATION springs to mind. That's what happened after closures.

Lefty.
So far this thread hasn't (somehow!!!) fallen into the usual fmttm mode of insults and abusive language. So, unless you're willing to contribute with a more measured response rather than calling me a 'knob head', I won't respond anymore to you.

Parrot.
Thanks for being on my side!! Like Mr Brown, I'm running out of allies here!!

HolgateCorner.
I'm definately outed as a Tory boy!! Should I hand in my season card in disgrace since it's all Labour in Boro? [;)]

ChrisPeaCock Posted on 14/10/2009 19:31
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No don't hand it in as it gives me a laugh to think that true blooded Tories have a Red Book in their pockets[;)] I am going to leave this now as there is no way you are going to change my mind on 80's Politics and I guess I will not change yours...

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 14/10/2009 19:41
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Ok. We'll call it a draw!! Epic battle like!! [^]



ChrisPeaCock Posted on 14/10/2009 19:48
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Call it a draw....[after Arthur's cut off both of the Black Knight's arms] Look, you stupid B@st@rd. You've got no arms left. [:D]

Scrote Posted on 14/10/2009 20:18
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GTR - "Are we REALLY worse off now than in the 70's"

erm no - and that's entirely the point

12 years of XXXXXX-poor labour leadership have done far more for the country as a whole than the tories ever managesd under thatcher - mainly 'cos she/they couldn't give a toss about the majority of british subjects

i admire thatchers single-minded destruction of everything she opposed in the same way as i admire uncle joe and the khmer rouge for clamping down on the intelligentsia

to hold the sale of council-housing up as one of thatcher's achievements just highlights your lack of research into the topics you're basing your political opinion on

parrot Posted on 14/10/2009 20:28
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yeah labour have really turned it around like havent they

we would never have sold out to the EU under MT

but it's alright as tony "i'm everyone's mate me" blair wore a red tie instead of a blue one

you need to see past the flag they stand under

maggie did what all great and effective managers have done and that is implement unpopular policies for the good of the nation as a whole and in the long term

Rod100 Posted on 14/10/2009 21:09
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"maggie did what all great and effective managers have done and that is implement unpopular policies for the good of the nation as a whole and in the long term"

i nearly spilled my drink laughing when i read that.

the only good thing she tried to do was the poll tax - much fairer system thatn we presently have. aside from that she started the ball rolling with this country going right down the sh1tter.

chorleyphil Posted on 14/10/2009 22:22
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I must admit, she certainly stirred emotions.

Broke the back of British working man.


HolgateCorner Posted on 14/10/2009 22:26
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GTR - no, you should not hand your red card in, even though you are a tory boy as a boro fan you will do for me, places like guisborough have always leaned towards the tories, it used to be in a tory seat not very long ago.[;)]

Parrot - I'm sorry mate but the superior 'look at me, I'm so sensible' tone of your posts just gets on my f*****g nerves.

Very little of what thatcher did was good for the nation, it was mainly good for London which is why we have such a lop-sided economy to this day.

whistler Posted on 14/10/2009 22:37
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nobody has mentioned the huge part the unions played in wrecking british industry. if they did i missed. the union was up to its neck in the steel losses round here in the 70's

HolgateCorner Posted on 14/10/2009 22:41
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whistler - ever heard of the phrase lions led by donkeys?

our industries have suffered from poor management and direction for many years, partly, in my view, because of this anglo saxon economic model which looks at short term rewards and value for shareholders rather than the long term health of a company.

Fletch Posted on 15/10/2009 07:23
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parrot...

CALM DOWN LAR'

Me a f*cking Scouse?

Have you ever been skint at Christmas (and most of the year) in a 3 bedroomed council house with six people and two kids living there?

Thought not!

Jeremy_Clarkson Posted on 15/10/2009 08:06
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Following news that Maggie Thatcher has been hospitalised, work on the site of her grave has been speeded up.
Building a dancefloor big enough to accommodate all those people is going to take some time.[^][:D][^]

changingman Posted on 15/10/2009 10:05
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Suprised myself with the amount of Tory shyte on here.

Too the many who have said they are dissillusioned (sp?) Labour supporters, there are other political parties in the country.

Or is this just another example of Sun-reading "back the horse that will win" syndrome??

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 15/10/2009 10:47
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Ding! Ding! Seconds out, round two...

Scrote.
My point was, like it or not, Thatcher ended Labours 70's 'winter of discontent' and took decisive (though unpopular at the time) action, that ultimately made Britain PLC a pretty decent economic power-house! Even so, "XXXXXX-poor Labour leadership" (your words) heve recently tried to un-do it.

Parrot.
Agreed. Mrs T was very VERY good at sticking up for the UK, and now Labour has sold us out to Europe. They have handed back some of the rebate Maggie famously won for us, and will be surrendering yet more powers without ONCE asking for us to have a say on the issue, even though they promised they would do!!! That my friend, is dreadful and downright deceitful leadership in my opinion.

HolgateCorner.
Though I'll vote blue, I'm unsure if I want a Tory in Guisborough!! I don't even know the candidates name, and apart from the ridiculous expenses he's claimed (haven't they all though??!) Ashok Kumar hasn't actually been THAT bad really! He certainly seems to be involved with local issues. Does Mr Bell even know where Boro is???

Changingman.
"Suprised myself with the amount of Tory shyte on here" Perhaps because some of us actually noticed (and benefitted from) the good she did for us, not just hop along the fmttm bandwagon of oh, she was nasty to the unions and to industries etc etc... Lets be honest here, they were going downhill WHOEVER would have been in power! I do agree however with the Sun comments - picking the likely winning side to keep readers number up I bet!

Bernie_was_right Posted on 15/10/2009 11:06
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"'Most of these areas are now probably transformed with brand new industries'

You need to get out of Guisborough more, unpleasant as that might be. "

So you don`t think Teesdale is better than the derelict old Head Wrightsons then?

Conservatives did Loads for Teesside: Teessdale, Teesside Park, Tees Barrage, all done under the Teesside Development Corporation set up by Mags T. Imagine Teesside now without them!!!


speckyget Posted on 15/10/2009 11:19
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That would be the derelict old world class engineering facility at Head Wrightsons that once employed 6000 then?

Sorry if Teesside was a bit 'grubby' for you Bernie. I'm sure the call centre/retail park economy is much more to your taste.

chorleyphil Posted on 15/10/2009 11:21
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Charles Clarke, Lord Falconer and Denis MacShane are among figures calling for a 'clear, progressive vision' for the party to avert prospect of 'Britain sleepwalking into another generation of Thatcherite government'


Link: ....

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 15/10/2009 11:59
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Lord Falconer whinging about a Thatcherite government!!! FFS!

Ahhh, Lord Falconer eh? Good ol' Charlie boy!!
There he is, sitting in chamber looking all high and mighty, courtesy of nothing more than being Tony's pal! A truely fantasic example of Labours once over-powerful grip on this country, filling every high office post available with whoever could afford to pay into the party coffers the most!

I don't need THAT buffoon lecturing our Government about Thatchers supposed political 'mistakes' thank you very much!!

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 17/10/2009 10:17
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I wonder what all these liberals on here wishing another human being dead would say if someone came on here and said they couldn't wait for Brown to snuff it

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 17/10/2009 10:32
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PAMH - Indeed. Good point.