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moon65 Posted on 11/10/2009 22:04
right wing press hate the posties

news of the world today .a whistleblower said "posties are lazy barstewards leaving thousands of packets and gettin 3 hour flyers to get down boozer"laziest and most pathetic ,funny piece of journalism ive ever read[:D]

piston-broke Posted on 12/10/2009 00:07
right wing press hate the posties

lazy tw4ts.... sack the lot of em[:D]

dave42 Posted on 12/10/2009 08:28
right wing press hate the posties

sounds a fair comment by th NOTW , i got a letter saturday telling me about a hospital appointment the letter was dated 30 sept , the appointment was for the 8th oct

TheBoy007 Posted on 12/10/2009 08:31
right wing press hate the posties

That down to bad management.

afonso_alves12 Posted on 12/10/2009 08:32
right wing press hate the posties

Tell them all that their pay rises / bonuses have all been posted to them ... should help sort them out.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 12/10/2009 08:35
right wing press hate the posties

It`s one of the last of the old Union led Industries. Hopefully Cameron will do a Maggie on them.

TheBoy007 Posted on 12/10/2009 08:36
right wing press hate the posties

Anyway of course the right wing press hate posties, the right wing press hate the whole of the working class (as do the tories), its just your typical Sun/Star/Sport reader can't work that out

TheBoy007 Posted on 12/10/2009 08:37
right wing press hate the posties

Is that a cut and paste from Littlejohn Bernie?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 08:37
right wing press hate the posties

there is nothing working class about striking over the christmas period ruining many working class families christmas.

TheBoy007 Posted on 12/10/2009 08:48
right wing press hate the posties

Are you serious Razmond? If you didn't get a couple of Christmas cards would it really ruin your life? ffs

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 08:50
right wing press hate the posties

it will affect the working class more than anyone else.

the only reason they are doing it over the christmas period is because ut will affect us so much.

And all because the union agreed to something a couplew of years ago they now dont agree with.

TMG501 Posted on 12/10/2009 08:50
right wing press hate the posties

And of course, posties want to go on strike over Christmas, therefore not getting paid and losing money over Christmas Razmond_HWDR [rle]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 08:53
right wing press hate the posties

so why do it then?

they havent even had a discussion with the government yet, people are hoping the government will step in.

You think the union would exhaust every avenue before going on strike.

Thats how strike action is supposed to work, exhaust every avenue and if that doesnt work then vote on strike action.

jam69 Posted on 12/10/2009 09:22
right wing press hate the posties

razmond its only october and your woried about xmas? you shouldnt let the mail and sun effect you this way

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 09:25
right wing press hate the posties

Raz didnt you say before youre a civil servant..

what kind of job have you get when you can sit all day posting on here?

sounds like a piece of pi$$ to me, stop havin a go at lads who actually WORK for a living, not post on a site that has f00k all to do with his job...

judgementalXXXXXX

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 09:26
right wing press hate the posties

i used to have a paper round

TheBoy007 Posted on 12/10/2009 09:27
right wing press hate the posties

76% voted in favour of the strike, pretty damning.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 09:31
right wing press hate the posties

i'm a web developer .asp based.


parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 09:33
right wing press hate the posties

C'mon Raz ....Who pays your wages? is it the taxpayer?

cos if it is I really don't think your pulling your weight fella.

current climate n all that[V]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 09:34
right wing press hate the posties

contract based.

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 09:37
right wing press hate the posties

i used to have a paper round


But you didnt like real work so started devolping websites instead[:o)]

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 10:53
right wing press hate the posties

I sent me niece a birthday card and present the day before her birthday first class.

Asked the gadge if it would get there tomorrow and he said no there is a strike but there is a pick up for special delivery post - another £8!

Asked him why I should pay the company more despite the fact it was them that were striking and the fat, lazy shirker just muttered into his smack-tache beard.

Lazy tw@ts.

TMG501 Posted on 12/10/2009 10:56
right wing press hate the posties

when & where was this flar?

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 10:58
right wing press hate the posties

September 29th in London.

She eventually got the stuff last Thursday!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 10:59
right wing press hate the posties

you pay first class you should get a first class service as defined, and they should take the hit i.e. the £8 cost for getting it there on time.

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:02
right wing press hate the posties

I was like surely if someone id doing a pick up they can take all the packages and not just the specials but that would have been too easy.

Just taking the ones that have been paid extra for - not exactly helping the working class is it?

Not_Smog Posted on 12/10/2009 11:04
right wing press hate the posties

I hate posties, bunch of theiving b*stards. Sent my phone back for recycling and it went "missing" in the post despsite being sent recorded delivery.

I hope the lot of them get sacked, thieving lazy b@stards.

TMG501 Posted on 12/10/2009 11:09
right wing press hate the posties

easy to say that on a messageboard Not_Smog. Why not go up to your postie and call him a thief to his face?

Muttley Posted on 12/10/2009 11:09
right wing press hate the posties

"I was like surely if someone id doing a pick up they can take all the packages and not just the specials"

Stupid, stupid boy. [:D]

PokerStar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:11
right wing press hate the posties

It has very little to do with pay, the main reason is working conditions, they are making all the rounds bigger and they are to big now, we where told we would be getting machines in to sort the mail so we could get out early and that would justify making the rounds bigger, this was nearly 3 years ago, still no sign of them, i`m supposed to finish 2pm on busy days its usually after 3pm, royal mail claim the volume of mail has dropped by 10% but have never proofed this, personnlly i blame the goverenment, they will not let royal mail undercut any of our rivals prices, they say its unfair[:o)]

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:12
right wing press hate the posties

why is it stupid to expect someone (whose job it is to serve the public) to try and help the public out?

If they want to play the working class card why not show some of the attitudes that used to be associated with this group of people?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 11:17
right wing press hate the posties

so you arent striking over the potential job loses at all?

what time does a post person start work if they finish at 2pm?

PokerStar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:26
right wing press hate the posties

In the office i work in we have not been told of any job losses by royal mail or the union, might be different in other parts of the country, regarding start times, they vary, the finishing time for all town deliveries is 2pm but start times vary between 6am-930am, majority of staff are now on part-time hours

teamleadersareidiots Posted on 12/10/2009 11:29
right wing press hate the posties

Raz didnt you say before youre a civil servant..

what kind of job have you get when you can sit all day posting on here?

sounds like a piece of pi$$ to me, stop havin a go at lads who actually WORK for a living, not post on a site that has f00k all to do with his job...

judgementalXXXXXX


Great post.Most of the half wits who post their drivel on here all day while they are supposed to be "working" wouldnt last two days doing a real job like the posties.

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:32
right wing press hate the posties

"wouldnt last two days doing a real job like the posties."

pmsl!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 11:32
right wing press hate the posties

but i read that the major part of the dispute was regarding job loses which had been agreed between Royal Mail and Union in principal in 2007, since then Royal Mail have failed to discuss this further with the union but have started job loses.

but your vote would have had nothing to with that?

it's hard to feel sorry for someone who works 9.30 till 2pm and has to work a little bit past that.

teamleadersareidiots Posted on 12/10/2009 11:35
right wing press hate the posties

[rle]it's hard to feel sorry for someone who works 9.30 till 2pm and has to work a little bit past that

At least they are actually working.Most of the "Office boys" on here would see their arse if they were actually do some work instead of sitting posting shoite on here everyday

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:36
right wing press hate the posties

posting a few letters for 5 hours is hardly life down the pit is it mate?


Bandy Posted on 12/10/2009 11:37
right wing press hate the posties

even postman pat has a helicopter now and he can send emails

The_same_as_before Posted on 12/10/2009 11:38
right wing press hate the posties

Out if interest, how many on here could walk 8 to 10 miles a day in 4 hours, again every day, carrying a very large bag of mail?

Not me.

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:39
right wing press hate the posties

I really dont see which part of being a postman is the hard work part - is it the walking bit?

Muttley Posted on 12/10/2009 11:39
right wing press hate the posties

For Flar "why is it stupid to expect someone (whose job it is to serve the public) to try and help the public out?"

You mean that the Managers who are delivering the Special Delivery items should also deliver the ordinary post? Yes?

Yeah of course they could the lazy gets, I don't know why they bother employing posties to deliver the millions of items every day when the Managers could do it themselves.

Or do you mean that the Manager should sort through the millions of items and find your vital package and deliver it for you?

I can't think why they wouldn't do that. Idle feckers.

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:41
right wing press hate the posties

Muttley, if you read my post rather than saw it you would see they were doing the collection - not the sorting and delivery.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 11:42
right wing press hate the posties

i'd use the bike and trolley, like they do around ours. ffs

it isnt taxing work

The_same_as_before Posted on 12/10/2009 11:43
right wing press hate the posties

Flar, it seems to me over the long period yuo have been on here, you are to be admired.


You are perfect at everything, a great ability.

PokerStar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:45
right wing press hate the posties

Working past my time does not bother me, i welcome the overtime,but a lot of people just want to work their contracted hours, like i said earlier the rounds have been made bigger and on busy days cannot be done before 2pm

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:46
right wing press hate the posties

Thanks TSAB.

Would the walking bother you like? Or would it be the part where you put the letter through the door?

teamleadersareidiots Posted on 12/10/2009 11:46
right wing press hate the posties

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PokerStar Posted on 12/10/2009 11:53
right wing press hate the posties

Easiest job i`ve ever had, been doing it for over 10years it has its downsides ie working saturdays and in crap weather conditions but does not bother me to much, just now royal mail are setting unrealistic targets and conditions, the union are not fantastic either tnere is 1 or 2 other things they can do before going on strike, but it looks like thats what they want

teamleadersareidiots Posted on 12/10/2009 11:54
right wing press hate the posties

Easiest job i`ve ever had, been doing it for over 10years

But not as easy as sitting on your arse all day posting rubbish on here and thinking you have got it tough.[;)]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 11:56
right wing press hate the posties

it is easier than that i bet.

Muttley Posted on 12/10/2009 11:57
right wing press hate the posties

"they were doing the collection - not the sorting and delivery."

WTF are you on about? You said that you were offered the option to post the present for £8 but as you were too tight to make sure your niece got a card and present on the day you declined. Yes?

What did you expect the guy behind the counter to do?

boroproud Posted on 12/10/2009 11:57
right wing press hate the posties

I suppose when the posties start losing their jobs, Razmond and his ilks are going to paying the jobless postmans mortgage for him,putting food on his table etc!

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 12/10/2009 11:59
right wing press hate the posties

The posties are striking because they want to keep their practices such as earning 8 hours pay for 5 hours work, and they refuse ANY effort to modernise the system, which is now costly and outdated. By going on strike though, they will mess up the lives and businesses of people not even involved in the dispute, (just like every other strike in fact!) and it ought to be banned.

I hope the posties ultimately do themselves out of work with this utterly selfish action.

flar Posted on 12/10/2009 12:00
right wing press hate the posties

It wasnt about being tight, it was a matter of principle.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 12:02
right wing press hate the posties

'when the posties start losing their jobs'

the union have already agreed to job cuts in 2007.

Thats not the issue here.

boroproud Posted on 12/10/2009 12:03
right wing press hate the posties

"The posties are striking because they want to keep their practices such as earning 8 hours pay for 5 hours work,"

Says he while sat posting on an internet message board!



Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 12/10/2009 12:08
right wing press hate the posties

Says he while sat posting on an internet message board!

Eh? For the record, I hit my targets at work...and I'm in fact several hours in credit on my time as I often work BEYOND the 7.24 day, epsecially if I need to finish off something. Fool.

boroproud Posted on 12/10/2009 12:14
right wing press hate the posties

"Eh? For the record, I hit my targets at work...and I'm in fact several hours in credit on my time as I often work BEYOND the 7.24 day, epsecially if I need to finish off something. Fool."


Absolute XXXXXXing quality[:D].


Have you ever done ANY real work which involves getting off your arse? getting up or getting in at silly o'clock? Working through ALL weathers?Dealing with some scruffyXXXXXX in your face because his giro didnt arrive 2 hours earlier and now he is late to put his bet on and meeting his fellow lazy coonts in the pub?

The_same_as_before Posted on 12/10/2009 12:14
right wing press hate the posties

Guisborough, your basically saying that a normal bloke can walk 8 hours a day, over 10 miles, bend down and put post in the doors, every day with a bag full of mail.







Muttley Posted on 12/10/2009 12:16
right wing press hate the posties

"It wasnt about being tight, it was a matter of principle"

Ah! Principle!

The only principle I can see is that YOU were unwilling to pay eight quid. High principles them matey...

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 12:17
right wing press hate the posties

'ANY real work '

i wouldnt go as far as to call that REAL work.

it's a doddle.

mattrich Posted on 12/10/2009 12:18
right wing press hate the posties

Royal mail do a fantastic job, 30 odd pence for a letter delivered to your door anywhere in the country? absolute bargain.

boroproud Posted on 12/10/2009 12:21
right wing press hate the posties

"i wouldnt go as far as to call that REAL work.

it's a doddle."

Well i tell you what,xmas is coming(there will be a backlog to to strike action),they will want casual workers.Why dont you forego your nice warm comfortable chair and your nice lucrative contract.just for a few weeks,and go out do the posties job?


I bet you wont!

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 12/10/2009 12:21
right wing press hate the posties

Have you ever done ANY real work which involves getting off your arse?
Err yes.

getting up or getting in at silly o'clock?
Yes here too.

Working through ALL weathers?
Yep. Still do now, sir.

Dealing with some scruffyXXXXXX in your face because his giro didnt arrive 2 hours earlier and now he is late to put his bet on and meeting his fellow lazy coonts in the pub?
I don't do that part, no sorry.

Anything else you wanna know? [:o)]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 12/10/2009 12:23
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Guisborough, your basically saying that a normal bloke can walk 8 hours a day, over 10 miles, bend down and put post in the doors, every day with a bag full of mail.

No I didn't! I just disagree with them going on strike, and for a good reason too!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 12:24
right wing press hate the posties

something to consider, i garden at weekends, but that has started to dry up due to the time of the year.

Just finished a big hedge job, have a few more that will tidy me over till the start of december.

Where do i find out about this Casual Work?

ExSqueezeMe Posted on 12/10/2009 12:25
right wing press hate the posties

"Dealing with some scruffyXXXXXX in your face because his giro didnt arrive 2 hours earlier and now he is late to put his bet on and meeting his fellow lazy coonts in the pub?"

wot? da otha postmans? LOL!

oldsmoggie Posted on 12/10/2009 12:31
right wing press hate the posties

Eh? For the record, I hit my targets at work...and I'm in fact several hours in credit on my time as I often work BEYOND the 7.24 day, epsecially if I need to finish off something. Fool.

If you did less posting on messageboards during works hours you would be able to get your work done and finish on time or maybe do a bit more!

I'm on my lunch by the way!

teamleadersareidiots Posted on 12/10/2009 12:33
right wing press hate the posties

Just finished a big hedge job.Quality[:D]


I hope you have declared it to the taxman.[rle]

ExSqueezeMe Posted on 12/10/2009 12:34
right wing press hate the posties

Lets faice it, u dnt ave 2b 2 brite to delivar lettas all day! lol

teamleadersareidiots Posted on 12/10/2009 12:34
right wing press hate the posties

Lets faice it, u dnt ave 2b 2 brite to delivar lettas all day! lol


In that case you should apply you thick chunt[;)]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 12/10/2009 12:38
right wing press hate the posties

If you did less posting on messageboards during works hours you would be able to get your work done and finish on time or maybe do a bit more!

I'll post on here when I decide to take my break, thank u [;)]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 12:50
right wing press hate the posties

it was a council hedge i think done free of charge alongside the allotment area, i have cleaned two allotment areas out for them again this year, again no charge. Mind i have taken one of them on full time to grow spuds and rhubarb and the like.

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 12:52
right wing press hate the posties

There's a few lazy quntt square ar$ed keyboard tappers on here who are getting sussed out now....

All these office workers calling postys lazy then posting here all day its so hypocritical it's unreal.

most FT postys work 8 hour shifts with a 20-40 minute break, and they work flat out in that time, how many of you tippity tappers can say that?

And Flar, if The gov have there way and privatise how much do you think your card will cost to deliver then?

postys are trying to save the service RM and Government are trying to destroy it.

Stick it to the man postys!!!

Genghis_Khan Posted on 12/10/2009 12:54
right wing press hate the posties

I hate them too, lying coonts sticking a 'was not home' slip through my door, without even knocking constantly cos he can't be arsed to carry my package.

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 12:56
right wing press hate the posties

Genghis, Why would the posty stand writing a card out rather than knocking on your door?

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 12/10/2009 12:57
right wing press hate the posties

All these office workers calling postys lazy then posting here all day its so hypocritical it's unreal.

Aye. Can't remember the last time I claimed for 8 hours work but in reality finished in half the time. Nor, in fact, have I ever behaved like some child having a tamtrum and gone on strike!
Back to work now for me! (1pm).

chorleyphil Posted on 12/10/2009 12:59
right wing press hate the posties

Never had a problem with the Royal Mail.
Maybe some of you on here are just moaning kunst?
Anyway, Good luck posties!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 13:03
right wing press hate the posties

parkside_pride is giving these posties a bad name claiming that they could be doing office work for the same pay or better but choose to do standardised labour work instead.

I am sure these postal workers are more intelligent than you make them out to be.

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 13:04
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Guisborough_Town_Red


Ill informed tool

Genghis_Khan Posted on 12/10/2009 13:05
right wing press hate the posties

"Genghis, Why would the posty stand writing a card out rather than knocking on your door?"

He writes them in the office before setting off, he never has the parcel in the first place. I've caught him 3 or 4 times now. I always have to go to Coulby Newham to get it, which is both inconvenient and means I get my parcel 1 day late. Lazy coonts.


parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 13:08
right wing press hate the posties

Right then have you reported him?

If your so confident your'e right he'll be sacked instantly, it's called wilful delay...

Postys on here will confirm it

ste_north_stand Posted on 12/10/2009 13:09
right wing press hate the posties

"I hate them too, lying coonts sticking a 'was not home' slip through my door, without even knocking constantly cos he can't be arsed to carry my package." - funniest comment i've heard all day! So the postie rather than knocking on your to get rid of the package would choose to keep it on him....probably carrying it round with him for the rest of the day?! [:D]

I will back up what parkside said. If he is caught doing that he'll be dismissed.

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 13:23
right wing press hate the posties

parkside_pride is giving these posties a bad name claiming that they could be doing office work for the same pay or better but choose to do standardised labour work instead.


Nope your too clever for me, Me no understandy!!!

Kilburn Posted on 12/10/2009 13:24
right wing press hate the posties

The problem as I see it is that the way the union has been organising this rolling strike action, they are putting in danger the very thing they are trying to protect.

The Royal Mail has always had a great reputation for being reliable, meaning that millions of people and thousands of businesses have been willing to put their trust in it.

The seemingly random ongoint strike action has led to reliability going out of the window. When you post something now, you have no idea when it is going to get there. Without this fundamental trust, people and especially businesses will (already are) look for alternatives.

Once these customers are driven away, most will never return. Reputations are hard to gain and easy to lose, and the Royal Mail's reputation for dependability is being destroyed.

People would understand much better if there were a series of clearly communicated national strikes, where nothing was collected delivered for a day or two countrywide. At least we would know where we are, have some confidence of when 'normal service' would resume, and be able to plan around it.

As it is, all we have is the notion that the post is fcuked up, has been for weeks and will be for the forseeable, so you can't rely on it at all.

If the Union's aim is to screw up the postal service as badly as possible, then they are succeeding. If it is to publicise their cause, get the people on their side, and put pressure on the management to return to the negotiating table, then they are failing badly.

The only winners the way things are going will be the likes of TNT and UPS.

ste_north_stand Posted on 12/10/2009 13:28
right wing press hate the posties

Kilburn...i work on the post and while i must admit i don't take much interest in the politics side of things i'm pretty sure the national strikes will be a lot more publicised than the wildcat strikes that have been going on recently.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/10/2009 13:28
right wing press hate the posties

The right wing press are probably touting the system in the States, they do with everything else. As usual, the system in the UK is better.

Ignore the right wing press, their lies are XXXXXXing the country up.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 13:29
right wing press hate the posties

and the posties look like they could get what they want - less work to do.

With amazon being the first of the major companies considering moving their business elsewhere.


Kilburn Posted on 12/10/2009 13:31
right wing press hate the posties

ste - the problem is that they have already lost all public support and trust because of the wildcat strikes. Sad to say, but I think the damage has already been done.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 12/10/2009 13:32
right wing press hate the posties

I've told the little hobbit at the sorting office numerous times and he just grunts and rolls his eyes. He said I'd have to call the Post Office h.q to make a formal complaint and frankly I can't be f00ked. Next time I see the postie, I'll warn him if he does it again I will.

I always thought it was odd and maybe he didn't knock loudly enough but one time I was literally stood at the front door as he did it and I caught him in the act so to speak.

ste_north_stand Posted on 12/10/2009 13:33
right wing press hate the posties

I don't want us to strike at all for the record. I would much rather a resolution be found some other way, whether this is possible though i don't know. To be honest i trust the union as much as the management. The company is in a complete mess, can't wait to get out personally.

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 13:35
right wing press hate the posties

You caught him in the act, then do summat about him.

Instead of hating all postys, lifes too short[LOVE]

Piggy Posted on 12/10/2009 13:35
right wing press hate the posties

I've had loads of those cards through the door whilst I've been in the house too. I reckon my postman even wears slippers so that he can sneak up to the front door and pop the card through without me hearing him. Thats when he isnt just shoving all the mail for the street into one random letterbox. We must do more sorting than he does.

My Mam's postman is great though. If they are out he forges their signature on recorded or special delivery parcels for them and leaves them out of sight.

ste_north_stand Posted on 12/10/2009 13:37
right wing press hate the posties

It's the same as any company i would of thought, yeah they're a few bad apples/lazy gets but the majority do a good job.

zoec Posted on 12/10/2009 13:43
right wing press hate the posties

I made the mistake of signing for a couple of "packages" for one of my neighbours when I was working from home last week. It turned out to be a multi-gym and a banana plant.

Never again.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/10/2009 13:52
right wing press hate the posties

'It's the same as any company i would of thought'

Correct, most of us are 'at work' now aren't we?

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 13:53
right wing press hate the posties

Corcaigh[:D]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 12/10/2009 13:57
right wing press hate the posties

zoe my elderly neighbours did that for us. we ordered a table and 4 chairs from next.

when we got back from work the old lady came to the door and said 'we signed for a package for you' and she opened the door wider, and we could see into the front room where the old man was sat next to 4 massive boxes which took over the rest of the room.

it was hard not to laugh at them.

The_same_as_before Posted on 12/10/2009 14:00
right wing press hate the posties

100 posts

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 12/10/2009 15:26
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Parkside_pride

First of all pal, I'm on my 15 mins afternoon break, so is that ok with you before I post on here? [rle]

Anyway, I suggest you re-read some of your posts before you start calling me an "Ill informed tool". If you honestly believe that strike action by Royal Mail employees is "trying to save the service", then you seriously shouldn't even be allowed on here to debate the topic. Can't you see that if they do go on strike, it's wave bye bye to the companies that use their service, and ultimately, bye bye job!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/10/2009 15:29
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Parkside-pride....you're a good judge.

teamleadersareidiots Posted on 12/10/2009 15:34
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I always have to go to Coulby Newham to get it, which is both inconvenient and means I get my parcel 1 day late. Lazy coonts.

I didnt even know Greggs delivered to the door.[smi]

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 15:40
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First of all pal, I'm on my 15 mins afternoon break, so is that ok with you before I post on here?


Fck me how many breaks do you get PAL?????

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 12/10/2009 15:42
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Finished now. Happy!

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 15:45
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I'm no happier than when u were on your break, but well done to you anyway[^]

boroproud Posted on 12/10/2009 15:47
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"He writes them in the office before setting off, he never has the parcel in the first place. I've caught him 3 or 4 times now. I always have to go to Coulby Newham to get it, which is both inconvenient and means I get my parcel 1 day late. Lazy coonts.
"

i am quite prepared,here and now,to call you a liar!

Genghis_Khan Posted on 12/10/2009 15:55
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Well that would explain why you'll be driving a bus all your life. You don't have the intelligence to comprehend that your ill-conceived ideas can be posted as facts, whereas I experienced it and 'know'.

For anybody that is a local postie I live close to gypsy lane train station - ask the lazy coont yourself...

boroproud Posted on 12/10/2009 15:55
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Your a liar!!

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 15:58
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Well that would explain why you'll be driving a bus all your life?

Ouch!

Bus drivers
postys

Who else do you hate Ghengis?

Genghis_Khan Posted on 12/10/2009 16:01
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I don't hate posties, I wouldn't want to do it, I just hate my postie (because he is not doing his job), and it means I have to go to Coulby Newham. Oddly I always get the large parcels without any problem, because they come in a van.

boroproud Posted on 12/10/2009 16:04
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Just ignore him,he likes to think he is better than everyone else.



If he wants to ,i can walk into Coulby SO with him and put him face to face with the driver he claims fails to deliver.
And also let him tell the PHG who he claims is a little 'hobbit' that to his face.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 12/10/2009 16:06
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Speaking of buses... Middlesbrough bus service is the worst I have experienced anywhere on the planet and I've travelled in numerous third world countries.

I use the bus 3 or 4 times a year ... last week the leven Valley bus arrived 10 mins early so I missed it... the 27 was nowhere to be seen so I walked 1 mile to the Southern Cross. I'd left the house at 7.50 and at 8.40 Not ONE bus had passed me and I had to call a taxi.

Add to that that they're dirty, the drivers are miserable XXXXXXs and they're crowded and overpriced. They're an embarrassment to the area.

parkside_pride Posted on 12/10/2009 16:08
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You're problem though Genghis is easily sorted, all complaints that go through the proper channels are investigated im sure of it....


Take a 5 minute break from fmttm and go to the RM complaints website...

Just be careful about fibbing though it may cost someone his job,but if he's done nowt wrong he's got nowt to worry about!

Genghis_Khan Posted on 12/10/2009 16:09
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I just told you where I live, if you work there you should know who it is. I don't think he isn't delivering, I know he isn't.

Genghis_Khan Posted on 12/10/2009 16:12
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Parkside - seriously - why would I fib about this? Do you think that Postman are that important to me? I wouldn't want to cost anybody his job, next time I see him (cutting across my garden) I'll have a quiet word in his shell like.

moon65 Posted on 12/10/2009 23:24
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i did a walk in acklam once it was in my early days as a postie ie inexperienced.it was near the oval cant remember the walk name but know its a beast.all ts5 walks get a lot of mail.when you start at royal mail for 4 years or so you are a reserve and are shot from walk to walk area to area.you can walk in the office at your start time and not have any prep(mail prepared for delivery)on your frame this can add in extreme cases 3 hours to your finishing time.anyway this happened to me on this acklam walk.it was a friday which is the heaviest day normally and in the middle of a heatwave 90 dgrees.i started at 7am but didnt get out of the office till 10.40 so i was stressed out before i started the walk.didnt know the area i had to use common sense and follow my bundles of mail.2 hours into my walk the sweat produced by my balls caused terrible soreness at the top of my legs and i could barely walk.dehydration kicked in after 3 hours so i had to knock on someones door for water.if i hadnt have knocked on that blokes door im sure i would have died that day.the job does get easier with the more experience you get and you become more confident.but after a walk you do feel tired and having to do extra now for no pay is a kick in the bo..ox.the other nightmare is heavy rain a few month back it rained heavily for the duration of my walk,postmen who had been there 30 years said it was the worst ever.soaked to the skin impossible to write a card out mobile phone XXXXXXed up because of the wet.nightmare.then theres the dogs been bit twice.pretty bad.always on edge when walkin up someones path.or fearing of losing your fingers.then the customers/chav coonts with lions as pets."want me giro early tomora im goin to a funeral"or "got owt for 34 ........"when your half a mile from there.on reflection the jobs a piece of p.ss.the right wing press are right to hate us.were just postmen prats.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 07:43
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moon65 why dont you switch jobs ffs.

this isnt about terrible working conditions, thats not why you want to strike, you just hate your job!

People dont usually get to strike because they hate their job, but it would seem the postal worker has been given that opportunity.

thanks for the moan.... maybe you should give your job to one of the 1000s who have just lost theirs.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 07:48
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Don't worry folks, they'll be on strike just in time for Xmas - so we can all feel the pain.[rle]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 07:49
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it'll only affect the working class...!

nice posties.

parkside_pride Posted on 13/10/2009 09:17
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moon65 why dont you switch jobs ffs.

this isnt about terrible working conditions, thats not why you want to strike, you just hate your job!



Where did he say that FFS! he just explained the life of a reserve on the post.

According to you in the current climate There are no other jobs!!!!!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 09:22
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and he clearly isnt happy with that life.

or did i read that wrong too?

parkside_pride Posted on 13/10/2009 09:25
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I think you read into things too much!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 09:30
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i think you have a room full of peoples post because you love post too much.

thats just what i think though

parkside_pride Posted on 13/10/2009 10:13
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I think weve established that you think a load of B**lox....

red_rebel Posted on 13/10/2009 11:06
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Right now it costs 30p to post a normal domestic letter second class and it gets there in two days, give or take. Not bad.

When big business gets its way and the post office is broken up the parasites will slash jobs and carve up the good bits to maximise profit.

They will sell off the lucrative business parcel post operation that the likes of Amazon need to the likes of UPS and TNT and push the price up.

They will sell of the lucrative direct delivery junk mail business and push the price up.

And they will slash the household delivery service to you and me, because that useful social function that facilitates personal and family communication, birthday cards etc is the real loss-maker.

It is a cost not a profit. When they talk about ‘modernisation’ and ‘cutting unneccessary costs’ what they mean is they want to get rid of delivering non-profitable mail to little old ladies and kids.

And to make it profitable they will send prices soaring, It will cost a quid to send a letter.

So what they want is to smash up one of the hallmarks of a mature society - cheap, easy and accessible communication - and concentrate on the moneymaking business deals.

And to that end they are whipping up a pathetic media hate campaign against ordinary workers who do a socially useful job so small minded sheep can more easily be persuaded to accept “progress.”




Kilburn Posted on 13/10/2009 11:19
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rebel - do you agree with the way that this strike action has been organised?

Seemingly random wildcat strikes leaving ordinary members of the public, the very little old ladies and kids you mention, completely baffled as to when and if anything they put in the post will arrive?

I don't dispute that the union needed to act, but the manner of the action seems almost tailor-made to alienate the public.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 11:29
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Amazon are already considering moving on because of the strikes and the inconsistency of them.

so all the striker action has done has helped big organisations make a decision, which looks like turning out for the worse for the postal worker

bear66 Posted on 13/10/2009 11:32
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The rich get richer . . . and the poor get poorer - finite world resources regulate that. It's essential that the rich continue this policy

red_rebel Posted on 13/10/2009 11:39
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The discussion on tactics is an internal one for the workers in the industry.

The real argument that needs to take place among the public is the one about whether we as a nation want a cheap, accessaible reliable household delivery service or not.

That is the argument that the right wing media are trying to avoid and derail with their smear storioes about lazy posties.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 11:43
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how will striking help create a cheap, accessaible reliable household delivery service?

Thats the real issue.

Kilburn Posted on 13/10/2009 11:48
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rebel - the discussion on tactics is firmly welded to the question of whether we as a nation want a cheap, accessaible reliable household delivery service or not.

These tactics are destroying public confidence in the service, by ensuring that it is chronically unreliable.

It pains me to see the union giving those who wish to destroy it so much free ammunition to do so. The union leadership is letting down its membership by showing such a lack of clarity of purpose.



Genghis_Khan Posted on 13/10/2009 11:52
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30p is insanely low when you consider what else you can get for that price.

Gillandi Posted on 13/10/2009 11:57
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I've scanned the memory banks and I can't recall ever being let down by the postal service in my life. I guess i've just been lucky.

Kilburn Posted on 13/10/2009 12:05
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I could've said the same thing up until a few weeks ago Gillandi. I used to regularly order away tickets a few days before games, and they would always arrive on time.

Unfortunately, in the last couple of months since the strikes started I've been left waiting weeks for letters to arrive, and others seem to have gone missing permanently. We've just moved house, and the process was made very difficult by solicitors letters about the sale going missing. We also paid £50 for post redirection four weeks ago, and have only had one batch of letters through since.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 12:12
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when i went on holiday i had something sent to me, because of this new pricing system it happened to be stamped 9p less than the cost, so instead of posting it they put a card through my door to say they tried to get the 9p off me but i wasnt there. It was put in the local depot, where it stays for 4 days. I came back off holiday and the local depot said they had sent it to bath (i think it was bath, a central point anyways) i was given a number to ring and wished good luck. I rang the number and was blunty told that the royal mail deliver millions of post each day so the chance of finding mine wasnt likely. She said she would look into it and ring back, she never did.

All for 9p ffs!

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 12:24
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I've no doubt the postmen and women of this country by and large do a great service for this country, in all weathers, and yes, it's relatively reliable and cheap for us to use too. So a big well done to all RM employees on this.

BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED...and like it or not, so will Royal Mail have to. We can communicate via so many other resources, (internet, mobile, e-mail etc), that the postal service as we once knew it, is all but extinct. Royal Mail have no option but to adapt to change, and if that means changing work hour pattens, machines, the way they operate, then so be it.

What OUGHT TO BE happening right now, is for Royal Mail to sit down with their employees and to thrash out a deal which they can both accept.

What definately SHOULD NOT be happening, are these ridiculous wildcat strikes, and the threat of a national strike, especially with Christmas coming up. Surely this CAN ONLY cause anger between RM and the general public/businesses, the result of which will mean potential Royal Mail customers will go forever, and the striking employees may find that they don't have any work to strike over!! THAT is why I despise this action.

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 14:15
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Guisborough red a lot of what you say I can agree with.

Also, if you talk to the posties they are not wanting to strike but it is the only action left open to them. It's about time the government got involved.

Management have been running the service into the ground for years.

On the other hand union members in London are far too militant.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 14:19
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the union and Royal Mail agreed all this in 2007, now the union dont like the detail they are going back on the agreement which is why Royal Mail arent budging.

'It's about time the government got involved.'

You would think the union would have attempted to get the government involved BEFORE going on strike, as strike action should be last port of call.

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 14:25
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if you read between the lines you may see why the Government is reluctant to get involved.

They are looking to privatise at the earliest opportunity and if the posties lose the backing of the public this wil be easier to achieve.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 14:28
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i can understand why the government dont want to get involved.

I cant understand why the union didnt want the government involved before seeking strike action.

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 14:30
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I'm sure that the union members would be delighted if the government did get involved but the government wont go near this dispute with a barge pole.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 14:37
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well from what i have read the union have not been in any sort of contact with the union and the union are just not happy about not being included in further discussions since the 2007 agreement

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 14:39
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Do you mean the Union haven't been in contact with the management or the Government?

I'm sure talks between union and management are going on all the time.

The Government has always stated it wouldn't get involved in this dispute.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 14:45
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i mean the government. If they what government involvement then why not attempt to request it.

strike action should be last resort, but they seem to be quite happy and eager to strike, as the local strikes have shown

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 14:50
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strike action should be last resort, but they seem to be quite happy and eager to strike, as the local strikes have shown


Totally agree, strikes are the last resort and if you actually talked to any of the posties they will tell you this.

Why would the posties strike if there was any other way out? They are losing money and they are aware of inconveniencing the public and are not happy about this.

The Government should definatley get involved now. I can't say whether or not the union has requested this but it must be plain to see that someone needs to intervene.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 14:55
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i think most posties dont even know what they are striking over.

It is simply to do with the unions involvement in further development of conditions since 2007 agreement (which was to last 3 yrs).

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 14:58
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Believe me the posties know what they are striking over.

Don't blame the unions all the time management are at least as much to blame.Managment could also ivite the Government to intervene.

Try talking to a postie and asking what the dispute is about. Ok, You may say they are giving you the line laid down by the union but at least listen to them.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:01
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do you think they will mention the expiry of the 2007 agreement?

management can be stubborn because they are following an agreement agreed with the union.

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:03
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I don't know. Maybe they have seen so many agreement over the years they will not remember it.

By the way this is from the Union page today.




Link: CWU

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:05
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And this is from The Post office.


Link: RoyalMail

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:06
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what a bunch of XXXXXXs!

threaten strike action, public dont like that, so then announce that they have offered a Peace Deal with Royal Mail!

what is this 'Peace Deal'?

I imagine it isnt a compromise, it is just i them trying to shift the blame for strike action.

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:10
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I would imagine it's a proposal to end the industrial action which i think is what is needed.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:11
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'under the 2007 Pay and Modernisation Agreement'

exactly the union and Royal Mail agreed these changes in 2007.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:13
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'I would imagine it's a proposal to end the industrial action which i think is what is needed'

isnt that the problem, the union are so secretive about what they say that no one really knows what they are saying?

do you think it is a compromise?

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:19
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Is it this bit you don't like...

• That Royal Mail are prepared to jointly approach the Government on the urgent need to find a resolution to pensions and regulatory issues.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:22
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thats a different issue, nothing to do with strike action

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:24
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But i thought you wanted the Government brought in to solve the dispute?

I thought that's what we all wanted?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:28
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but the pension issue is different as i understand it.

I would have liked the union to have tried to consult the government on all issues before even considering strike action as that is the proper procedure.


Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:31
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no the correct procedure would be to hold ongoing talks with management about all aspect of the changes that were to take place.

Involving the Government would only happen if a stalemate was reached.

The fact that the Union now wants the Government to intervene would indicate to me that talks have now broken down and the Government needs to intervene.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:34
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agreed. it should be talks, government involvement, strike.

but they have gone : Talks, strike, government involvement, strike

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:37
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regretfully the wildcat strikes did happen but hopefully we will not have to suffer a nationwide strike as long as both sides agree to bring in the government.

The unions have agreed to this now it is down to the management.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:40
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but like i said at the start the union should not have even thought about striking i.e. voting on a ntional strike until they had tried to get government involved.

They have totally messed this up, no wonder no one trusts them..

And remember what they are disputing (the union) is the agreement they agreed with Royal Mail in 2007

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:43
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I think we woill find that the agreement of 2007 is not at issue it is the way management have tried to implement these changes.

Everyone know RM needs to change.However to use the bully boy tactics that have taken place over the last few months have been shocking.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:44
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"The ballot further underlines the CWU’s determination to renege on the existing 2007 agreement on Pay and Modernisation which the union’s leadership signed in the presence of the TUC. It beggars belief that CWU chief Dave Ward says today that the disruption caused by the CWU strike is hurting customers yet at the same time calls a national strike ballot to step up the damage they are already inflicting on customers big and small.

“The CWU leadership is well aware that it has already agreed all the changes Royal Mail is making and we urge them to recognise the tough economic conditions faced by all our customers and Royal Mail itself and to live up to their claims to support modernisation and to focus - as the company is doing- on delivering the postal service on which so many customers depend.”


Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:46
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So whats in that statement that i haven't already agreed with?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:49
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it highlights that all the union are doing is trying to go back on an agreement.

it cant be bully boy tactics if it is already agreed.

sounds like they union wished they hadnt signed this agreement.

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 15:52
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No I belileve th Union was well aware of the changes when it signed the agreement. And as it stands it is one that should help the Post office restructure and go forward int othe future which is what everyone wants.

It is the way these changes are being implemented. The changes being brought in now go beyond this agreement and are being forced on the workers by management.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 13/10/2009 15:55
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so the new changes have NOTHING to do with what was agreed?

i thought the agreement was quite vague and said there will be job loses in 2009 (this is an example of the type of vagueness not a direct quote) and that was it, and the union agreed to that?

Holgatewall Posted on 13/10/2009 16:01
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If you talk to any of the lads and lasses working at RM now they will tell you that the way the changes being brought in now are way beyond anything agreed in 2007.

I Know this by talking to several people I still know from the place. Managemnt are focrcing changes that have not been agreed.

Most of the Job Losses will be done by Volutary Redundancy.However, the slack from these redundancies must be taken up by the posties on delivery.

Rounds will become bigger and heavier. The staff already accepted this.

But now management are insisting on more and more being added to deliveries.Cuts on cuts which is not in the agreement of 2007.

parkside_pride Posted on 13/10/2009 17:47
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Holgate, your wasting your time with raz mate believe me...

admit it raz your just anti-union!

The government can get involved whenever they want, they are the major shareholders & they chose not to get involved...


Red Rebel quality posts mate, spot on

sixtyniner69 Posted on 13/10/2009 17:52
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the "left wing layabouts" will hate them too if they do not get their giro in the post.

piston-broke Posted on 13/10/2009 19:29
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Looks like they all getting a day off next thursday...... hope its not giro day for you Maxi !! [?]

TMG501 Posted on 13/10/2009 20:14
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"they put a card through my door to say they tried to get the 9p off me but i wasnt there"
Razmond_HWDR,This is a downright lie and you know it.[V]
You've lost all credibility now [:(!]

piston-broke Posted on 13/10/2009 20:21
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What credibility???..... Have ya read this thread??..... Hes got no credibility !!![V]

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 13/10/2009 20:31
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Hes got no credibility !!!

Bit like the postmen if they go ahead then.

sheridan_whiteside Posted on 13/10/2009 20:48
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As a posty i've enjoyed this thread.

Both sides of it.

Royal Mail are taking the pXss with the 2007 agreements

If we strike i lose money....(and suffer a disfunctional postal service for the forseeable future).....

...If nothing changes i get shXt on more and more.

You don't go work to get shXt on.

I've never known a job where you have to argue with your manager day in day out just to finish at your required finishing time.


piston-broke Posted on 13/10/2009 21:10
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There is a lot of opinions on this thread from people outside of Royal Mail who have formed them opinions from what they have read in the papers or watched on the news (And of coarse they are entitled to them opinions) but those people do not KNOW the way that posties are treat by the management within Royal Mail. Its very easy to say 'if you dont like it find another job'...but there is not that many jobs out there and Why should you have to get another job because managers are bullying and harrasing staff.....its them thats in the wrong here.
[:(!]

Gillandi Posted on 13/10/2009 21:21
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Raz has got his first bit of credibility from his outpourings on here. That hedge cutting stuff was inspirational. 10 hours a day on here and he still finds time to do his chores. [^]

parkside_pride Posted on 13/10/2009 21:53
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raz, reading your posts, the sheer volume of them in it's self is staggering considering how hard you work.

Ive come to the conclusion you have profound opinions on everything and I bet they are all a true reflection of how you act and what you say in real life.

Oh sorry i forgot your hunched over a computer all day!

so it is real life isnt it[:O]

SplendidStuff Posted on 13/10/2009 21:53
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sheridan_whiteside , i joined royal mail a few years ago and was as everyone who starts is put on part time.

Basic hours were 25 i think, and a probation of 6 months.

Started great, loved it and even though it was a heavy round doing the student areas of jesmond in newcastle, plus the businesses in the area, was a load of shops in the centre i could always claim the overtime.

After a few weeks of starting at 7.a.m i got told to come in at 9.p.m. At this time all the posites were heading out and all the van drivers with the bags, but loads of people used their own cars because so much less hassle and lifting.

I was coming in at winter months with a really heavy round, usually 12 bags or more weighing over the quoted limit.

I was also not getting the stuff sorted ready for coming in later than everyone with a mountain of mail and parcels, which would not fit on the parcel shelves ontop of my bay.

This in turn meant i would not get my allocated special deliveries out by the guaranteed time of 1.p.m.

I had to work over my hours because vans were late with my bags or had already left and had to come back for them. There werent enough drop boxes and we used shops, businesses etc which was completely unsafe.

T top it off, because the money RM get paid per delivery is messed up, they have to deliver mail that is collected from businesses in mass and given to them for foot delivery.

RM can't compete with these much newer more efficient business, and are so much in debt cannot modernize.

Most people probably dont know about the door 2 doors or leaflets. To make money RM have posties delivering leaflets etc with your mail to make more revenue. These add to the mail weight and difficulty in sorting mail efficiently.

Basically the job was a constant chore, managers doing everything to avoid paying you overtime even with all the above obstacles, complaining when you point out the logical obviousness of how its impossible to deliver that much mail in that much time, and telling customers its not your fault you start at 9.a.m amd have no choice in the matter.

I left but many just cannot afford to do this, the strike action is the only thing they can do to object to the opressive regime RM has become. They are losing money which they can dear afford to lose, but they are getting a very bad ride at the moment, none of you lot would put up with it for long.

piston-broke Posted on 13/10/2009 22:11
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Splendid_stuff...... well said [^]

Bownstar Posted on 13/10/2009 22:18
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Splendid Stuff, you have just summed up the whole situation for sooo many RM staff.

My fiance is a postie in Billigham. She feels exactly the same as you. She works her socks off every day and loves her job, but is now forcing herself to look for another job after 2 years. And like anyone in any line of work she doesn't want to be sh@t on! And thats the crux of the strike for the normal posties, not that they're lazy, or want more money.


parrot Posted on 13/10/2009 22:33
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"there is nothing working class about striking over the christmas period ruining many working class families christmas."

what about the families of the posties u selfish pr1ck?

honestly, i couldnt give that much of a toss if my mail is a few days late, recently missed out on business trip due to late visa but i dont blame posties, blame management and bent government.

mugs

ste_north_stand Posted on 13/10/2009 23:02
right wing press hate the posties

Basically unless you work/have worked as a postie then how the hell can you have any creditable opinion on this matter?

parrot Posted on 13/10/2009 23:07
right wing press hate the posties

i think my opinion is creditable as it is objective and i have not chosen just to consider the imapct on my self but on the workers and the industry at large

i do agree that the government are manipultaing the posties into a corner for their own ends and that the management are acting as their (un)witting stooges


ste_north_stand Posted on 13/10/2009 23:12
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parrot.....i appreciate you have not just been having cheap shots at the posties without knowing all the facts (i should have made it more clear that is who i was aiming my point at). For those that do you really should work under this management regime before you pass comment, you wouldn't believe what people have to put up with on a day to day basis. I'm lucky in that my line manager is just simply useless, others are just downright bullies.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 07:59
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Holgatewall a well put argument and if RM have gone beyond the 2007 agreement then Government intervention is necessary.

Holgatewall Posted on 14/10/2009 11:15
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Cheers Raz enjoyed your input.

nice that it never turned into a slanging match like so many others on here.

everyone is entitled to an opinion.

let's hope it can be sorted out and as soon as possible.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 11:19
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Thanks, i hope so to, it is never nice to see these things get this far.

andymac67 Posted on 14/10/2009 11:21
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I understand that the average wage for a postie is 21k. Not bad for posting a few letters and buggering off home at dinnertime. Soldiers in Afghanistan on a lot less. Just get on with it

Holgatewall Posted on 14/10/2009 11:24
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Just as a footnote. Who brought in adam Crozier to be in charge of RM?...

..The government.

21k average wage? where did you hear that.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 11:28
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so it really is a shame the the union didnt attempt to get the government involved before voting on strike action.

even an attempt to get the government before strike action was considered would have shown the union to be trying every avenue.

Holgatewall Posted on 14/10/2009 11:30
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I think both sides have to agree to approach the government.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 11:34
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but the union have stated that they have never tried this avenue at all because they know the government would not want to help.

I just think it would have looked better if they had looked to have get the government involved even if that meant them being turned down by management or government.

Instead of trying that avenue now after voting on a strike.

It now shows back tracking, which shows weakness.

Holgatewall Posted on 14/10/2009 11:46
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Raz why do you think the union have staled at getting involved with talks with the Government?

The Government own the RM so it has given all negotiating right up to Crozier and his cohort.

For the Government to get involved would look as if they have no confidence in the man they appointed.

Also it is in the Govenrments long term strategy that they aim to privatise RM.

Vicious circle.

The Posties are really fighting a last ditch battle. If they go on strike they lose public support and money. If they capitulate to management they will just steamroller through with their new rules Which will make it more attractive to any possible buyer.

The Government can't lose. Look at Mandelsons comments.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 11:53
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i know but when talks between the management and the union brake down they should take it higher than management if that is a real possibility, and in this case it is.

The union have made a decision for their people to bypass the government as they see that avenue as a waste of time.

Yet now are trying to back track to look good.

Holgatewall Posted on 14/10/2009 11:59
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However you look at it the Posties are fighting their corner as they can see that they are hemmed in on all sides.

The press is hammering them and the public are losing faith in them.

As I say last chance saloon.

And if they do lose this and privatisation comes in every one who uses RM will ultiamtely be the loser because private firms will pick and choose where they will deliver to.

Can't say anymore on this Raz. Take care

zzzzz Posted on 14/10/2009 12:09
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My mate used to leave his bag in the hedgeback at the end of each road to lighten his load.

Someone knicked it and he didn't say anything and started carrying the bag for a while but then after we got him lashed one night he did it again one morning and it got whizzed again.

This time the management found out and got a final warning and taken off the road and put on the overnight mail train.

The next week we got him lashed again and he fell asleep, woke up in London with all the bags he was supposed to load still sitting there.

He doesn't do it any more. [:D]

Our posty's spot on. Always slip him a few quid at Xmas and he's as good as gold.


Kilburn Posted on 14/10/2009 12:13
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It could be that the government want a strike.

When the railways were privatised, the government at the time basically instructed Railtrack to incite a strike and then hold firm until the union backed down, to get the signallers to change their working practices. It took three months of chaos, and cost a couple of hundred million, but eventually the union signed up to a deal not too far off what had been offered by Railtrack in the first place.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 12:18
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it's one way of getting rid of some of the staff.

ste_north_stand Posted on 14/10/2009 13:31
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"I understand that the average wage for a postie is 21k" - What you "understand" is completely false, by quite some distance actually. See this is what bugs me....people passing comment judging by things they hear or read which simply are not true.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 13:32
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what is the AVERAGE wage for a postie then?

ste_north_stand Posted on 14/10/2009 13:34
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full time or part time?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 13:35
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both.

ste_north_stand Posted on 14/10/2009 13:38
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16k give or take for a full timer. Part time hours vary, the most typical i would say is a 25 hour week.....for that you would be looking at around 10.5-11k.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 13:39
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i have just read that in 2007 postal workers were on a minimum of £16172 pa, and in July 2007 the union were trying to get the postal workers a 27% pay rise.

is any of that true?


Link: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/2518

09_dave_09 Posted on 14/10/2009 13:40
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I know this might sound a less worthy comment with me being a Firefighter, but people dont go on strike without just reason it isnt a on a wim. The truth of the matter will be these lads will be getting asked to do more for the same money or less and why should they. If our working conditions are affected for the worse it makes our life worse. Striking is sometimes the only weapon that can get results. The government wont step in, all these lads want are a fair pay for what they do with comfortable working conditions. I cant understand why people wouldnt support anyone wanting this.

ste_north_stand Posted on 14/10/2009 13:42
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I've just worked that out going on my own payslip from last week so it shouldn't be too far out. I dunno if they were trying to negotiate that Raz....as i said way up the thread i don't take much interest in union/management politics, i trust each of them very little. There's a few lads who i talk to who know what's going down, i talk to them as i value their opinion more than management or our union rep (who is useless in my opinion).

ste_north_stand Posted on 14/10/2009 13:43
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dave...my sisters fella is a fireman. I sympathise with your current issues. Hope it gets sorted for you lads and lasses [^]

09_dave_09 Posted on 14/10/2009 13:48
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Me too mate they really are taking the mic out of the brigade at the moment and the public. I have recently become a union rep for cleveland brigade so hopefully i can help the cause. If the public knew the half of it they would be shocked. But what is more likely to happen is it will get to a point where we are pushed into a corner and our only choice is to strike, the public will be told by the media its a rash decsion and we will get the same "moaning firefighters" tag.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 13:50
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our union reps for why i work recently got suspended for fixing a vote.

ste_north_stand Posted on 14/10/2009 13:51
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Yeah mate, he was telling me some of the stuff that is being proposed the other day. I was pretty shocked by some of it. I hope you find a way of getting it sorted before you get to the position we find ourselves in.

Holgatewall Posted on 14/10/2009 15:36
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Posties in London earn more than in other parts of the country owing to London weighting allowance.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/10/2009 15:37
right wing press hate the posties

be interesting to know what the average is across the country.