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ayresomemark Posted on 13/02/2008 11:11
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Shame on you

Whats it like waiting for someone to die so you can celebrate.Did she murder your kids or something coz thats the only thing that would make me want vengeance like that.

kazza Posted on 13/02/2008 11:12
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its marwoods fault

Block23 Posted on 13/02/2008 11:13
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she murdered argie sailors

Norman_Knobsock Posted on 13/02/2008 11:14
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Spot on, she was a politician who did what she thought was best for the country and whether or not you agree with what she did, those waiting to dance on her grave as she was "evil" are guilty of hypocrisy, in my opinion.

keithlamb76 Posted on 13/02/2008 11:14
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shhhh

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 11:15
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If I couldn`t dance on the grave. I would just take a dump.
She is pure evil.

Norman_Knobsock Posted on 13/02/2008 11:16
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"If I couldn`t dance on the grave. I would just take a dump.
She is pure evil."

Wheras that's the behaviour of a perfectly reasonable person....

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/02/2008 11:16
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Will the country be as hideous as it was when Diana thingy died?

The enforced mourning was pathetic.

bblf Posted on 13/02/2008 11:17
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Bugger, I thought you were going to give us the good news there.


While she didn't murder anyone herself, her policies particularly towards the North East led to the death of quite a few people .

She knows that people are going to be happy when she dies and will dance on her grave. Knowing this the bitch will probably make sure shes buried at sea.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 11:18
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Yes, she was pure evil, of course he was.

She made some tough decision's in some very difficult circumstances. Yes, she was ruthless and yes some of her decisions meant there were casualties along the way (literally in some cases), but she can also claim a lot of positives from her Premiership.

Nice to see some balance on the board, as usual.

speckyget Posted on 13/02/2008 11:19
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I'll be the bloke with the refreshment stall serving the queue.

It's what she would have wanted.

Critical_Bill Posted on 13/02/2008 11:19
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I suppose it's easier for those who were in no way affected by her actions to pontificate about what is acceptable behaviour.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 11:19
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Norman.
I have my reasons

Norman_Knobsock Posted on 13/02/2008 11:23
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Course you do, the same as the other pathetic people who would even consider celebrating the death of a person.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 11:27
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Accepted some were affected by her actions more adversely than others, but all her decisions were made for what she (and the cabinet) thought were for good reason.

Many decisions are the lesser of two evils in politics and many cause collateral damage as a consequence.

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 11:27
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People go on about how she killed industry in this country, she brought it in to the twentieth century, some of the industry's where passed there sell by date, the others where being pressed ganged by Unions to employ people who if where horses or greyhounds would have been shot.

She helped a lot of people own there own homes, she helped people set up in business, she is a hard lady who respected the world over

jam69 Posted on 13/02/2008 11:30
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should be a public holiday the day she pops her cloggs.i have the champane on ice,the selfish cow cant even hurry up and die!

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 11:40
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Jam, very respectful - do you know her personally, because you seem to act as is you do.

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 11:43
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I wonder if people will have the same attitude when Blair pops his cloggs

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 13/02/2008 11:43
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Which part of the Thatcher legacy should be be most admired for?

The economy which was utterly bolloxed - remember the 15% interest rates? Those recessions were a ball!

Running down the health service, lack of investment in education?

Hows about the privatisation of the railways, utility companies etc? Good move.

Stopping Council House building, then subsequently flogging off the existing housing stock. Also slashing repair budgets for council housing.

Destroying the steel, mining industries (yes, they needed updating and the unions were partly to blame)

Creating the "i'm alright, f*ck everybody else" mentality of a lot of folk.

The 3m unemployment was a right laugh if I seem to remember.

Vinny is spot on with -

"I suppose it's easier for those who were in no way affected by her actions to pontificate about what is acceptable behaviour".

Norman_Knobsock Posted on 13/02/2008 11:45
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But the fact remains she was elected as a leader and so did what she thought was best for the country, rightly or wrongly.

red_rebel Posted on 13/02/2008 11:46
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Those industries that had reached their sell by date.. she sold them. To line the pockets of her rich friends in the city. To generate mass profits for comapnies that wee to later give here and her partners in crime lucrative directorships.

The vicious and corrupt junta did not do what it did for the the country, they did it for the benefit of a small privileged elite, carving up the assets and hiving them off to the robber barons and crushing any dissent with tooled up riot cops.

In the name of tax cuts the tax burden was increased and shifted onto the poor. In the name of rolling back the state government became even more centralised and politicised. In the name of democracy the powers of local government, Parliament and the cabinet were neutralised while the indepedence of the BBC and the judiciary were crushed.

Britain was turned into a franchise operation with a basketcase economy based on low wage service McJobs and unsustainable house price rises, a disintegrating welfare system and a fractured society, held together by a centralised and secretive government that despises the people.

And people say she was great for Britain because they read it in the Sun? Did I mention the declining educational standards?

rumrunner Posted on 13/02/2008 11:47
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Her first act was to stop free school milk for kids -FACT
she never killed my kids no, bue she tried to make sure those of us who worked at BSC in 1980 couldnt feed them without a struggle

I for one will raise a glass when the evil bitch meets her maker

She is the one reason why the Tories have been unelectable and dont know which way to turn that party needs her death to move on

toxic_bob Posted on 13/02/2008 11:48
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In a way, you're right that traditional heavy industry and the closed-shop unions needed to face change and adapt to meet the challenges of the modern world, and Thatcher presided over the most traumatic part of this process.

What I can't forgive her for, however, is the way her government showed not a shred of concern for those areas and communities whose traditional sources of employment were vanishing. No safety net, no government investment. Just the rule of the market place - dog eat dog and fook you Jack, I'm alright. These places are still F***ed today - go and look at the old S Yorks coalfield today if you don't believe me - blighted landscapes and blighted lives.

For that reason, I'll be doing the rocky road to Dublin on the old bitch's bones




Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 11:48
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I did not realise there where so many Labour party activists on here.


Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 11:49
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The economy which was utterly bolloxed - remember the 15% interest rates? Those recessions were a ball!

BOOM AND BUST ECONOMIES ARE AS CYCLICAL AS THE WEATHER.

Running down the health service, lack of investment in education?

IS THE HEALTH SERVICE AND EDUCATION ANY BETTER NOW?

Hows about the privatisation of the railways, utility companies etc? Good move.

GET ON A TRAIN NOW AND TELL ME IT'S NO BETTER THAN THE BAD OLD DAYS OF BRITISH RAIL.

Stopping Council House building, then subsequently flogging off the existing housing stock. Also slashing repair budgets for council housing.

STOPPING BUILDING COUNCIL HOUSES IN AN EFFORT TO OPEN UP HOME OWNING TO THE GREATER PUBLIC. COUNCIL HOUSE REPAIRS SHOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TENANT, COUNCIL HOUSES ENCOURAGE LAZINESS.

Destroying the steel, mining industries (yes, they needed updating and the unions were partly to blame)

THEY WERE F***ED BEFORE THE CONSERVATIVES TOOK POWER, DO YOU KNOW THAT MORE MINES WERE CLOSED AND MORE MINERS LOST THEIR JOBS IN THE YEARS LEADING UP TO 1979 THEN THE YEARS FOLLOWING LEADING UP THE THE GREAT SCARGILL STAND OFF?

Creating the "i'm alright, f*ck everybody else" mentality of a lot of folk.

OR A MENTALITY OF IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND WORK HARD THEN YOU WILL SEE REWARDS.

The 3m unemployment was a right laugh if I seem to remember.

AND NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE EFFECTIVELY UNEMPLOYED BUT HIDDEN BEHIND GOVERNMENT SCHEMES.

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 11:49
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My kids still get milk

rumrunner Posted on 13/02/2008 11:50
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The Labour party of today is more right wing than Thatcher was in her heyday

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 11:51
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Heaton, I'm not a supporter of hers, nor am I a tory, but I was trying to introduce some balance.

The Unions had the Country by the bolocks and they were broken. Yes it was ruthless an may suffered for it, not least the miners,but the economic boom that followed is well evidenced.

Privatisation was always going to happen and has continued since under the Labour government and makes sense economically speaking.

Yes the economy was instable, with a boom followed by a recession, but this was tempered by investment elsewhere, including Teesside (TDC).


Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 11:51
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A lot of localized industry was closing because of cheaper foreign imports, even our own Riverside stadium is built with Foreign steel because the plant only a stone throws away was too expensive

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 11:52
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"Her first act was to stop free school milk for kids -FACT"

Why should kids be given free milk by any government? It's the responsibility of parents to clothe and feed their kids.

At what point did Labour re-introduce free milk for kids?

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 11:53
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they still get it in Pre school (nursery) and years one and possibly two

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/02/2008 11:53
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They didn't because they're now a right wing party, you numpty.

Bukowski Posted on 13/02/2008 11:53
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LeitrimBoro - I'm guessing by your username that you don't even come from or live in the UK. In that case, Thatcher's never been your PM so I fail to see why you hold so much hatred towards her.

It would be like me calling Bertie Aherne a c~nt.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 11:54
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Dont forget she was the voters choice more than once, so it can't have been all bad.

rumrunner Posted on 13/02/2008 11:57
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It set the tone Bri it set the Tone

so you must want struggling parents not to have free school dinners for their kids as well then?


Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 11:59
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"so you must want struggling parents not to have free school dinners for their kids as well then"

The same struggling parents who could find the money for cigarettes, alcohol and other luxuries?

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 13/02/2008 12:00
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Bri_Marwood

Obviously coming from a background where you were completely unaffected by the social and economic change that resulted one way or another during 1979-1993? (lucky sod) I have to say your counter arguements are utter bollox - no disrespect.

Many of your points simply back up the Thatcher supporters' "as long as I'm okay f*ck everybody else" attitude which helped to knack our country.

You are one side of the political line, I the other and it is obvious that we shall never agree on her legacy. So we shall have to agree to disagree on everything [:)]


Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 12:01
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I think that all school meals should be free, no matter how much money the parents have,

that way it is guaranteed that they have at least one healthy meal


I was effected during thatchers premiership, i got off my arse worked and set up my own business.


Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/02/2008 12:02
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'The same struggling parents who could find the money for cigarettes, alcohol and other luxuries?'

All of them?

kazza Posted on 13/02/2008 12:03
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now look what you have started [:D]

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 12:03
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I was brought up in poverty in Hull during the post fishing years so I certainly had no silver spoon in my mouth. We didn't struggle as much as others around us as my parents always put the family first. Clothes, food and utility bills were always more important than cigs, booze and other expensive vices.

You argue that Thatcher created an attitude of 'as long as I'm ok f*ck everybody else' which I could would counter that Labour created a 'look at me, help me without having to do f*ck all for myself' attitude.


rumrunner Posted on 13/02/2008 12:03
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no the people who struggle for luxuries= like bread

people who have kids and spend their benefit money on fags and drink are responsible for the ferral kids we see on street corners whose ambition in life seems to be to get an Asbo

Critical_Bill Posted on 13/02/2008 12:04
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A ridiculous sweeping generalisation from the Humberside walter Mitty.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 12:04
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"All of them"

No, I forgot to mention drugs too.

jam69 Posted on 13/02/2008 12:07
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no jonny,didnt know her we dont move in the samr circles,didnt know hitler or stalin either but have read history.her death should be a public holiday

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 12:09
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Jam69 i hope people are as happy the day you curl up and die

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 12:10
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Right speak to you all letter, i have to get back to running my business...


red_rebel Posted on 13/02/2008 12:12
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The reason we have inner city sink estates and a benefit dependent underclass is because the brutality of Thatcherite economics demanded a large pool of unemployed.

Having an army of unemployed and the fear of joining them if they stepped out of line scared the surviving workers into accepting low wages, longer hours and worse conditions.

Unemployment was used cynically to bludgeon through economic changes that had disastrous social consequences which are only now reaching full fruition.


kazza Posted on 13/02/2008 12:15
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couldn't imagine bri brought up in poverty

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 12:17
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It happened Kazza and it made me the person that I am, urban kid come good and all that.

The_same_as_before Posted on 13/02/2008 12:18
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I lived on Berwick Hills when Westerdale Shops were busy and reliable and crime believe it or not was almost non existent. Then Maggie had the brilliant idea of selling the housing stock. The houses were quickly sold as deposits for better housing to private landlords, who as their will filled them with people who simply did not care. Westerdale road shops are pretty much now empty, and to Walk from the Newcastle House to home is only safe in a Taxi.


We moved out, the current Labour Government look after my 83 yo mother as if she is as important as the queen, that in reality she is.

Maggie, lost the plot, closed mines simply because she wanted to win an argument, raised interest rates to encourage saving to remove funds from the economy, increase unemployemnt and pretty much stop public spending.

Hate her, no I cannot be bothered, she brought in Blairism, what with the possible exception of Iraq (although if I was a shia woman I would be as happy as Larry) is the most successful government of all time.

Brown in my view will send this country back to the Maggie years by losing the next election and all elections after that due to the Lothian question.

Me, I am now pretty much well off have all the trinkets of middle class life, and for that i can thank Tony.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 12:21
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FFS I dont think you can compare Thatcher to Stalin and Hitler, your arguement just loses all credibility.

Politicians area the same the world over and Thatcher was no different to any other.

The underclass is nothing to do with Thatcher, or any other government before, or since.

Relative poverty is a disease syptamatic of society as we know it. However, there is a significant proportion of our unemployed who choose not to activitely seek work, live on benefits and pro-create with indifference.


jam69 Posted on 13/02/2008 12:24
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what a sad insecure person you must be metaxa to feel the need to drop in,"got to get back to runing my business" just so we all know.where most people would say off back to work,is it the small dick syndrome metaxa? big car too?

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 12:25
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I lived on Berwick Hills when Westerdale Shops were busy and reliable and crime believe it or not was almost non existent. Then Maggie had the brilliant idea of selling the housing stock. The houses were quickly sold as deposits for better housing to private landlords, who as their will filled them with people who simply did not care. Westerdale road shops are pretty much now empty, and to Walk from the Newcastle House to home is only safe in a Taxi.

DID THESE PEOPLE SIMPLY NOT CARE AS A RESULT OF THE TORIES? OR ARE YOU BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU WERE SNOBS WITH A 'NOT IN MY BACKYARD' ATTITUDE?


We moved out, the current Labour Government look after my 83 yo mother as if she is as important as the queen, that in reality she is.

HOW IS THIS THEN, DOES YOUR MOTHER NOW HAVE TWO BIRTHDAYS EACH YEAR? DOES SHE SEND OUT TELEGRAMS TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY REACH 100? DOES SHE HAVE A FINE COLLECTION OF PAMPERED POOCHES?

Maggie, lost the plot, closed mines simply because she wanted to win an argument, raised interest rates to encourage saving to remove funds from the economy, increase unemployemnt and pretty much stop public spending.

SHE CLOSED MINES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT SUSTAINABLE, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE NATIONAL COAL BOARD APPROVED OF THE PLANS, THE PERSON WHO OPPOSED IT WAS SCARGILL DUE TO LONGING FOR PUBLICITY, NOT BECAUSE HE FELT FOR THE MINERS. HOW MANY PITS ARE NOW STILL IN OPERATION?

Hate her, no I cannot be bothered, she brought in Blairism, what with the possible exception of Iraq (although if I was a shia woman I would be as happy as Larry) is the most successful government of all time.

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, SORRY.

Brown in my view will send this country back to the Maggie years by losing the next election and all elections after that due to the Lothian question.

BROWN WILL LOSE THE ELECTION DUE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BEING SICK TO THE BACK TEETH OF NEW LABOUR AND A DESIRE TO THE RETURN OF GOOD TORY VALUES.

Me, I am now pretty much well off have all the trinkets of middle class life, and for that i can thank Tony.

BUT WAIT, DIDN'T THATCHER CREATE BLAIRISM? SO, ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE BARONESS THATCHER TO THANK FOR YOUR TRINKETS?

red_rebel Posted on 13/02/2008 12:29
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And they are encouraged in that because there is no investment in technical eductaion, skills training or job creation.

The powers that be are willing to tolerate the perma-dole class (so long as they stay well away from the privileged ghettoes) and the millions who have been ghosted away on the various incapacity benefits because they have been an intrument to help force down wages and conditions which benefits the rich directly.

It is a question of political choice right from the top. The choice was made under Thatcher NOT To maintain full employment or even high levels of employment as a key political objective. That is a political scandal still be played out now.

That "Labour" (bar a bit of tinkering around the edges) has subsequently chosen to stick with that is equally scandlous.

jam69 Posted on 13/02/2008 12:30
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point taken jonny,what i was trying to say was,just because you dont know someone personally it is posible to form a fair opinion of them(wether my is fair is also a matter of opinion)

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 12:32
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Jam, were you educated during the Labour or Tory years?

king_hellfire Posted on 13/02/2008 12:32
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We moved out, the current Labour Government look after my 83 yo mother as if she is as important as the queen, that in reality she is.

HOW IS THIS THEN, DOES YOUR MOTHER NOW HAVE TWO BIRTHDAYS EACH YEAR? DOES SHE SEND OUT TELEGRAMS TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY REACH 100? DOES SHE HAVE A FINE COLLECTION OF PAMPERED POOCHES?




Obviously he didn't mean it literally when he said that his mother was as important as the queen and you know that.
From a personal point of view i would think that everyones mother is more important than the queen.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 12:33
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"Obviously he didn't mean it literally when he said that his mother was as important as the queen and you know that.
From a personal point of view i would think that everyones mother is more important than the queen"

I KNEW THAT, JUST WASN'T SURE WHAT POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE.

The_same_as_before Posted on 13/02/2008 12:33
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New labour, like all Oxymorons not to be trusted RR. We have argued before, Blairism was the only way to win an election, our capital city were never going to vote for Tony (not my fault) Benn, and Foot, it was as simple as that.


jam69 Posted on 13/02/2008 12:36
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bit of both bri,old labour,new labour and maggie

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 12:41
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Well you guessed incorrectly Bukowski. I was working in the UK when she was in charge. I have relatives and friends whose lives were damaged by the actions of Thatcher.
On a personal note her actions in the north of this island impacted greatly on my family.
Norman...I have seen death and dealt with death on many occasions. When somebody dies we normally mourn the passing but celebrate the life. In Thatchers case we should do the reverse.

king_hellfire Posted on 13/02/2008 12:43
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I think that he was just pointing out that he is happy with the way the Government is looking after his elderly mother.

I was only young when Margaret Thatcher was in power so i can't really comment on her, but what i will say is that i am thankful that the Labour Government brought in the minimum wage because before that came in i had friends who were only earning £1.00 an hour after tax for doing jobs that were either monotonous or required a lot of hard graft.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 12:45
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North of the Island where she refused to give in to the murdering terrorists? The ones she rightly allowed to starve themselves to death as they didn't want to be classed as prisoners? The same place where she stuck to her guns and didn't cave in to Adams and co?

mickymacc Posted on 13/02/2008 12:49
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WHY THE CAPITALS BRI,ARE YOU HARD OF HEARING AND PRESUME EVERYBODY ELSE IS?.Thatcher polarises opinion amongst people,I personally dislike her and think her emotionally coldness/indifference to people boarded on sociopathic.She once famously said there was no sutch thing as society.
When she does finally die I'm sure there will be as many people toasting her as there is cursing her.I know which camp I'm in.

skymasterson Posted on 13/02/2008 12:50
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>BOOM AND BUST ECONOMIES ARE AS CYCLICAL AS THE WEATHER.

There hasn't been a recession in this country since 1990-92 so I would argue that doesn't have to be the case.

>
IS THE HEALTH SERVICE AND EDUCATION ANY BETTER NOW?

Exam results for kids would suggest so. I think the health service is in decent shape given that it is now dealing with the old age of the baby boomers which Thatchers governments didn't have to deal with. Spending on the NHS has gone up year on year under the Labour government. I am by no stretch of the imagination a Labour party apologist but on education and health I believe they try.

>GET ON A TRAIN NOW AND TELL ME IT'S NO BETTER THAN THE BAD OLD DAYS OF BRITISH RAIL.

It is also disproportionately expensive. We have paid for that. Are you also going to argue that the safety record improved under railtrack?

>STOPPING BUILDING COUNCIL HOUSES IN AN EFFORT TO OPEN UP HOME OWNING TO THE GREATER PUBLIC. COUNCIL HOUSE REPAIRS SHOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TENANT, COUNCIL HOUSES ENCOURAGE LAZINESS.

Rubbish - council housing ensures that those less fortunate in society are ensured shelter which I believe is one of the basic rights of humans. What about the elderly, disabled and young Bri? Presumably they should fix their own council housing and find themselves somewhere to live?

>THEY WERE F***ED BEFORE THE CONSERVATIVES TOOK POWER, DO YOU KNOW THAT MORE MINES WERE CLOSED AND MORE MINERS LOST THEIR JOBS IN THE YEARS LEADING UP TO 1979 THEN THE YEARS FOLLOWING LEADING UP THE THE GREAT SCARGILL STAND OFF?

I believe in market economics but Thatchers attack on the mining industry in particular had nothing to do with economics. The story of the Tower mine shows that all of these mines still had life left in them but Thatcher saw Scargill as a real threat to her power so attacked them for political and strategic reasons not economic ones. She must take some responsibility for the crime and drug problems in former pit villages everywhere now when a more effective response to the coal running out would have been to slowly phase out the mines along with a strategy to bring employment to those areas that would have been affected with investment in retraining for the miners whilst they were still working.

>OR A MENTALITY OF IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND WORK HARD THEN YOU WILL SEE REWARDS.

and if you are old, young or sick then resumably we should just forget about you?

>AND NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE EFFECTIVELY UNEMPLOYED BUT HIDDEN BEHIND GOVERNMENT SCHEMES.

Retraining is an investment in all of our futures...look at the difference it made for Frank Gallagher last night ;-)


Lefty Posted on 13/02/2008 12:52
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I was contemplating staying off this thread but then this came along

'SHE CLOSED MINES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT SUSTAINABLE, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE NATIONAL COAL BOARD APPROVED OF THE PLANS, THE PERSON WHO OPPOSED IT WAS SCARGILL DUE TO LONGING FOR PUBLICITY, NOT BECAUSE HE FELT FOR THE MINERS. HOW MANY PITS ARE NOW STILL IN OPERATION?'


You knob.

skymasterson Posted on 13/02/2008 12:53
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>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
North of the Island where she refused to give in to the murdering terrorists? The ones she rightly allowed to starve themselves to death as they didn't want to be classed as prisoners? The same place where she stuck to her guns and didn't cave in to Adams and co?

But she was happy to pander to(and in some cases work with) another set of terrorists because they were the right religion and on her side?

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 12:54
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"But she was happy to pander to(and in some cases work with) another set of terrorists because they were the right religion and on her side?"

But it was a war, wasn't it?

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 12:54
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"You knob"

Those two words have completely convinced me that I've got it all wrong about the coal mines.

Thanks for that.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 13:06
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Bri.
I`m not getting into any argument about Irish politics. The subject matter is too vast.
As I have said, that bitch impacted on myself and family in serious ways.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 13:06
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"As I have said, that bitch impacted on myself and family in serious ways"

That's what politicians do.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 13:12
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Bri.
I`m in my 50`s. How old are you? I`m interested. Now tell the truth.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 13:12
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Bri.
I`m in my 50`s. How old are you? I`m interested. Now tell the truth.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 13:13
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I'm 35 for a few more months.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 13:24
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Bri,
Our politics are worlds apart.
Lets just leave it.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 13:27
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Ok, fair enough.

Why did you ask my age? Were you hoping I was a 19 year old idealistic student?

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 13:32
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Bri, if you were 19 and an idealistic student I would be seriously worried about the standard of education in Britain today. Especially history.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 13/02/2008 13:34
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U sayin im fick den?

Lefty Posted on 13/02/2008 13:46
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THE CHAIRMAN OF THE NATIONAL COAL BOARD APPROVED OF THE PLANS

Thatcher liked to pretend that this was a dispute between the the NCB and the NUM ( remember she was vehemently opposed to government intervention in industry). But the NCB wanted a much more phased approach. The confrontation was clearly driven 100% by Maggie, a fact confirmed by the president of the NCB who complained to a reporter after one meeting at No. 10 that ‘I have weals all over my back, which I will be happy to show you.’

You knob.

'SHE CLOSED MINES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT SUSTAINABLE,

According to The Economist, in 1976 Thatcher asked Nicholas Ridley to draft plans to combat 'enemies of the next Tory government' This report stated that the battleground to take on the unions should be carefully selected and prepared and that the coal industry would be the preferred choice. The 'Ridley Report' suggested importing coal and building up stocks, encouraging recruitment of non union drivers to move supplies, cutting off social security payments to strikers and organise the Police into large mobile units to combat picketing.

In the 12 months leading up to the strike the NCB had closed 23 pits employing 21,000 miners, meeting with only sporadic resistance by the NUM, according to the BBC. The union recognised that some changes were inevitable and necessary.

Rumours then began to circulate of the NCBs plans to cut as many as 100,000 of the remaining 184,000 jobs in the industry.

Then came the trigger for the strike. On 1 March 1984 It was announced Cortonwood colliery was to close in 5 weeks time. Why? The workforce had just been assured by the NCB that their jobs were safe for another 5 years, the pit baths had been refurbished and it wasn't even high on the list of uneconomic pits. But it was in South Yorkshire - Scargill country.

Economics were not ever her main motivation.

You knob.

THE PERSON WHO OPPOSED IT WAS SCARGILL DUE TO LONGING FOR PUBLICITY, NOT BECAUSE HE FELT FOR THE MINERS.

He had a responsibility to his members who overwhelmingly supported the action.

You knob.

HOW MANY PITS ARE NOW STILL IN OPERATION?'

Certainly many were coming to the end of their life and many were at that time uneconomic. But could some have been made profitable with some reorganisation? Again we will never know because Thatcher never even wanted to give them a chance.

Were all the ones reckoned to be out of coal actually out of coal? There were many rumours of reports around at the time which said otherwise. What we do know is this:-

When the last deep mine in Wales (Tower Colliery) was also eventually listed for closure the same reasons were cited – lack of financial viability, dwindling coal reserves in the mine and a diminishing marketplace for the type of coal mined.

The miners themselves challenged these reasons. They used their redundancy payments and asked the government if they could buy it themselves. Checkmated, the Government had to agree. Guess what. Thirteen years on the mine was still working, still profitable. In fact there has been expansion in the area, to tapping in to seams that were worked by other nearby collieries that were closed long ago.

Unfortunately the miners strike was so long, costly and devastating for the most of the miners following the strike that such an option was not available to them.

Bri, you have been taken in, as many were/are, by Tory propaganda, government secrecy and P***poor journalism. Stop recycling it, you stupid, gullible tit.

Check the link.

Thatcher took this sort of dignity from the other miners. I hope she also goes in an undignified manner, in a live TV interview, incontinent, dribbling from her mouth and shouting 'Donkey' like uncle Peter.


Link: How it could have been done

ayresomemark Posted on 13/02/2008 13:47
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Point of argument missed

painfullyboro Posted on 13/02/2008 13:52
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If the iron lady were in charge today we would never bow to pressure from the yanks to fight a war that had no relevance for this country she may have got some things wrong in a big way but she was british and proud unlike blair and now brown who seem to work for mr bush

speckyget Posted on 13/02/2008 13:53
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Ah happy memories. In these sanitised spin crazy days your Government placemen all look like the black and white photos of haircuts in the barbers.

Give me barmy old MacGregor, with his flashermac and paper bag on his head any day.

Lefty Posted on 13/02/2008 13:56
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Point missed ayresomemark?

'Those two words have completely convinced me that I've got it all wrong about the coal mines.'


So I fleshed it out a bit.

ayresomemark Posted on 13/02/2008 13:56
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Lefty i feel sorry for you pal - wanting someone to die like that

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 13:59
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Some of the mines are now recruiting for more staff at the moment

Lefty Posted on 13/02/2008 14:09
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We all have to die Mark. I see no reason why she should go in a dignified manner, when she robbed so many folk of their dignity. She is a horrible woman, why should I mourn her passing?

I don't think I'll travel down for a dance though, not with the price of fuel these days.

rumrunner Posted on 13/02/2008 14:20
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Lefty
I thought the same thing when i read Bri`s post about the miners
she brought in a naturalised Scottish American called Ian McGregor
whose autobigraphy " The enemy within" explains Thatchers stratedgy it had nothing to do with the economics of the pits.

I would have pointed out this to Bri

but his use of putting in brackets to repeat what you say annoys the fook out of me

much prefer his attention seeking fantasy threads

gareth Posted on 13/02/2008 14:26
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LeitrimBoro

Bukowski is an Australian resident/citizen!

Pot. Black. Kettle.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 13/02/2008 14:31
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why doesnt everyone just calm down, have a brew and get on with things instead of worrying about what happened 25 years ago and letting it effect their lives now.

sh1t happens.

couldnt give afook whose in charge me, they are all a bunch of liars anyway.

ayresomemark Posted on 13/02/2008 14:38
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The point of the thread was how sad people are wanting someone to die.

Bukowski Posted on 13/02/2008 14:44
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gareth - I only moved to Australia in 2006. I'm English.

Gillandi Posted on 13/02/2008 14:48
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Getting to the age she has, her dying will be like the final whistle blowing on a 6-0 defeat. Not a lot to crow about.

Be better if she has another 30 years of life in it's current quality, then ignore instructions and resuscitate the hell out of her ass when she enters her final theatre.


rivals_oldschool Posted on 13/02/2008 14:50
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Sorry to p*ss on peoples chips here but the likes of Black Wednesday and the decline of British Industry would have happened despite whom was in government.

Furthermore black Wednesday has actually benefitted in the long run, labour merely hit power just as the changes made by Maggie came into fruition.

gareth Posted on 13/02/2008 15:18
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OK. I didn't know that. Are you here for good? I am.









Maybe [:)]

trugggg Posted on 13/02/2008 16:06
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Only replying to help Mark on his way to the ton. I am in agreement with most replies on here. Lefty was very eloquent in his reprise of the miners dispute. My everlasting memory is the 3 million plus without work due to her insane policies and her callous reply to the man who complained to her about it -"Moaning Minnie" she called him simply because he wanted to feed his family.
Her government made all these people jobless and then when they asked for help from the dole and social security- something that they had paid for all their lives - they were accused of being scroungers-

The woman and her government were pure evil

rumrunner Posted on 13/02/2008 16:10
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remember she had the perfect right hand man in "get on your bike" Norman Tebbit

jam69 Posted on 13/02/2008 16:17
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one lasting memory is of her and that charmer pinochet drinking tea together without a care in the world,blood dripping from their hands

baldycrowe Posted on 13/02/2008 16:19
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Ping !!

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 16:21
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The dancing shoes are ready.
I`ll feel sorry for the devil when the time comes.

LemmyKilmister Posted on 13/02/2008 16:23
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'If the iron lady were in charge today we would never bow to pressure from the yanks to fight a war that had no relevance for this country she may have got some things wrong in a big way but she was british and proud unlike blair and now brown who seem to work for mr bush'

I'm afraid it would've been quite the opposite. It was Thatcher who did so much to rekindle the 'special relationship' with the americans, alongside a virtually senile US President. She would've buddied up with Bush at the drop of a hat.
I will shed no tears or feel any regret when that condescending, shameless and sanctimonious old get keels over

Dibzzz Posted on 13/02/2008 16:31
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The very first memory of Politics was when I was 7 years old, I went to school one day and there was no little bottle of milk for me.

When I told my dad when I got home he simply said.

"Maggie Thatcher, the Milk Snatcher"

Evil F***ing bitch. F***ed the North of England good style she did.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 13/02/2008 16:35
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Will somebody out of the 'bitter and twisted' faction above care to list the policies that your government of choice would have implemented in the 1980s, that would have brought prosperity and peace to all. BTW you are not allowed hindsight wisdom such as '1,000 Royal Marines stationed in the Falklands from 1980'.

gareth Posted on 13/02/2008 17:03
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OK. Labour would, hopefully, have supported the mines, shipyards, bridgebuilders, train builders, steelworks, etc. Maybe some downsizing and restructuring would have been necessary. No cannibalising by rich shareholders.

Public transport could have been supported (as it has on the continent) instead of privatised, which would have helped reduced our contribution to global warming - I think the Tories were denying that until just a few years ago! Red Ken is showing what can happen when a real socialist gets to grips with public transport - a shift away from selfish car useage and an improvement in the frequency and so usefulness of trains and buses.

Examples of what could have happened to our industry include Germany which has a decent steel business (isn't that where the Riverside steel comes from.) Australia's economy is currently avoiding the worst of the American recession by selling coal and other resouces to China.

The economy is looking pretty good in the UK at the moment, but a decade or two of pain in the North, South Wales and parts of Scotland and Northern Ireland could have been avoided.

And the breakdown of the community could have been reduced if huge areas hadn't had to go through the pain and poverty and subsequent 'me first' grab what you can and sod the rest attitude that has led to crime and chav street culture among others.

Oh, I forgot. "There's no such thing as community." So ignore my previous paragraph.

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 17:20
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Jam69 do you have to be a complete and utter prat, but yes you are right big car, big house, villa

living the Thatcher dream

by the way, it isnt like work it is a pleasure. i enjoy what i do and my work is running a business.

Lefty Posted on 13/02/2008 17:20
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'BTW you are not allowed hindsight wisdom such as '1,000 Royal Marines stationed in the Falklands from 1980'

Can I have just one nuclear submarine, as the previous Labour Government had competently employed in a similar situation?


LemmyKilmister Posted on 13/02/2008 17:24
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...And a former naval officer as PM who knew the value of good intel?

gareth Posted on 13/02/2008 17:38
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BTW Nice username Diasboro. Where are you?

Shame you can't empathise with the millions of Britons who suffered massively under Thatcher and the S***stains of Thatcherite policy that blight Britain even when the economy is strong.

Could be worse. At least we don't have America's righter wing policies that lead to even more violence and killing on their streets. And you can thank the post-war Labour government for establishing the NHS, free education, etc that make Britain a better place than the USA.

gareth Posted on 13/02/2008 17:38
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rumrunner Posted on 13/02/2008 17:40
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the tories would never have brought in the minimum wage-FACT

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 17:44
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The Tory's probably would not have brought in the minimum wage. would that have been a bad thing


gareth Posted on 13/02/2008 17:48
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One of the main inhibitors to economic growth is high labour costs. So a minimum wage isn't good for the economy.






But it's good for the workers!

China's incredible growth is mainly down to having a huge workforce willing to work hard for about 2 pounds per day - FACT! [:D]

gareth Posted on 13/02/2008 17:51
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So Mataxa. How would you like to work for 2 Pounds per day? It would be good for the economy!

Is that a good thing [?]

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 17:53
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Note to one self to investigate Chinese workers to replace numpty Chavs

Sea_Harrier Posted on 13/02/2008 17:55
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Gareth,
"OK. Labour would, hopefully, have supported the mines, shipyards, bridgebuilders, train builders, steelworks, etc. Maybe some downsizing and restructuring would have been necessary. No cannibalising by rich shareholders."

The only reason for the demise of the manufacturing industries listed above, is not policy or spite by the government of the day, it was because we all wanted to pay ourselves far too much. Those products could not support our pay demands, they became unprofitable, and consequently died or significantly reduced.

The sale of utilities and other government led institutions was devised so that, for the first time, the average man on the street could own, influence and reap rewards from any profitablity originally taken by the ruling classes. It also enable those who bought shares to see how devisive the everyday wild cat strike culture was to the nation.

Those initiatives were from a different time and a different workforce with a different mind set. Not everything about the philosophy was good, and there were casualties, but it did lead to the formation of a platform for progress which successive governments have utilised.

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 17:55
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Some days after i have paid my staff, insurances, fuel costs, levy's i would be lucky to make two pounds other days i can make thousands.

A fair days wage for a fair days work.

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 17:58
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I don't think China has a generous social security system like ours. if it did we would not be getting 42" TV for under a grand and copper would not be £3.50 a kilo.

They would all be at home watching Jeremy Kyle

Muttley Posted on 13/02/2008 18:01
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Put the evil slag on a barge on the Tees, set it on fire and float the bitch out to sea. I'd pay to stand on the Newport Bridge just for the chance to P*** on her burning corpse.

No offence meant, like.

gareth Posted on 13/02/2008 18:13
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Poor you. It's a wonder you can pay for all those big things.

And a poor argument. Being a businessman is as much about gambling as it is working. The amount of graft is not reflected in your pay. In fact, if you don't large amounte of money it's very difficult to make money.

And just because we benefit by China's low wages is in no way an argument in against minimum pay. It just show how S*** it can be for billions of people if you don't have them.

Minimum wages make sure a few bosses can't make outrageous fortunes at the expense of huge numbers of people. Surely a good thing.






Unless you value your 'big things' more than millions of humans' living conditions.

*Awaits abusive/childish reply*

redwurzel Posted on 13/02/2008 18:18
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In general Thatcher was good for the country imo, but she also made many mistakes.

Britain was a bit of a laughing stock in the 1970s, but was less so in 1990.

She closed down subsidised sectors of the economy, closed down lots of wasteful quangos and encouraged enterprise which had been a dirty word. Blair has brought al the wasteful quangos back which has been a big disappointment of him and Brown.

As I get older I believe people should be able to spend more of the money they have earned themselves and enterprise and looking after yourself should be encouraged. Giving your money to civil servants to spend has led to alot of waste, particularly in recent years. Masses of money has been put into education and health in recent years, but the quality of the service has only marginally improved. Some hospitals are much too dirty and some kids are leaving school illiterate. (even worse than me!). Look at how MPs are spending our money on their families etc

She saved us a packet with EU money. We are now subsidising most of Europe.

Thatcher let me down by not moving alot of the civil servants to areas of high unemployment which would have been more efficient. She failed to support economically depressed areas enough failing to match her destruction with creativity.

She seemed over aggressive in the military field.

I also thought she made a big mistake by saying there is no such thing as society. Unfortuntely we are reaping some of that legacy today in the social problems of street crime.

There are 3m unemployed on incapacity benefit which is to some extent hidden unemployment today.

Poll Tax was a disaster which showed she lacked enough pragmatism to be a great leader and when she was set on something she never faltered even if wrong!

ayresomemark Posted on 13/02/2008 18:32
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Some people have joined on the anti - Thatcher bandwagon i think but i stress again the thread was about people physically waiting for her to die so they could celebrate.

I cant for the life of me get my head around this.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 13/02/2008 18:33
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"you can't empathise with the millions of Britons who suffered "

Oh no? I avoided the demise of BSC by quitting and moving south before it happened. My dad, however, who had never been on the dole before, was forced into early retirement, skint after a year of striking at BSC. Other family and friends were also still at Billy Smarts at that time.
'Hopefully' is, as you say, the only way a government could support those industries. Every working person in the country was paying towards steelworkers wages, which were better than wages in the private sector, whilst the steel they made was too expensive to sell anywhere. The same with coal. Except that with coal there was a case for stockpiling it (since it doesn't rust).
The fate of coal and steel was sealed by EEC politics, not Thatcherism. The German steel industry could only have survived if British Steel didn't.
I just don't see how Michael Foot or anyone else could have sorted it out without some pain for working people. The steelworkers were striking for a 20% rise ffs. Would Labour have given in to that, and then been able to support public transport et al?
Thatcher did the dirty work, New Labour were grateful, but not in public.

mav-rik Posted on 13/02/2008 18:33
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you bastids. that's twice i've got the champagne out of the fridge and put me dancing shoes on only to find out it's just a hypothetical thread.
hurry up and cark it you old cow.

bblf Posted on 13/02/2008 18:41
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Its easy Mark , watch someone you know die because he couldn't look after his wife and 3 kids anymore.Watch him go from a provider to a struggler . Try and help a proud man whos desperate but can't bring himself to take something for nothing. See his mental health deteriorate to the point they killed themself .
Then listen to a woman say "we all have to bear the hurt that comes with change" when addressing the community the man lived in. Then watch her drive of with her multi millionare husband and probably never have given it another thought in her life. I saw all this and so did many more. I don't know how old you are but these stories were a daily occourance in her day.

Then sit and wait for the bitch to die and hope and pray its before you so you can celebrate.


Its easy. Dancing feet Ive got those dancing feet.

red_rebel Posted on 13/02/2008 18:48
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Sea Harrier:

"The sale of utilities and other government led institutions was devised so that, for the first time, the average man on the street could own, influence and reap rewards from any profitablity originally taken by the ruling classes."

NO, the sale of the utilities was principally designed so that whole swathes of state assets (the design, construction costs and distribution infrastructure for which had been paid for by the people) could be handed over to vast conglomerates to break them up, sack loads of workers to reduce the cost base and then be sold on for a quick buck to foreign corporations.

The "average man in the street" (actually not so average because very few people in St Hildas could afford the £500-£1000 minimum) was given the opportunity to get a tiny share of a minimal proportion of the shares in enterprises he already 'owned' and the vast majority was cashed in within a year and ended up in the hands of the profiteers anyway.

If you see Sid will you tell him he has been shafted big style, the big boys are laughing at his piddling little bit of hush money and they will get it all back - and more - through higher prices.



ayresomemark Posted on 13/02/2008 18:50
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Im 40 mate, my owld fella worked in Cargo fleet and me mam was a dinnerlady bringing up 4 lads.

i was 11 when she came to power.

We struggled as a lot of people have mentioned on this thread.

I pity someone that wants to see someone die and not just to cement thier own personel fulfilment from long ago.

You know, as i mentioned it would take something far drastic and deep rooted for it to affect me in the way it does others.

Metaxa Posted on 13/02/2008 18:53
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LOL

bblf Posted on 13/02/2008 18:54
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tippety tap tippety tap tippety tap tippety tap tippety tap tippety tap .


Just warming up my dance shoes.

LemmyKilmister Posted on 13/02/2008 18:56
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Can you remember News At Ten on a Friday night when they'd update how many jobs had gone during the week?

Filled me with loads of hope for the future when I was 15.

It's all very easy looking back and saying, 'well it had to be done and we're much better off because of her policies' and such things. Times were hard and there was not much of a future to look forward to. I went to BSC for an apprenticeship with 5000 other lads after two dozen slots...no hope. I was told when I left school in no uncertain terms that I couldn't go to college because a wage was needed in the house because me mam was the only provider. Spent two years on £31 a week until I was 18 when it went up to £55, and the bosses could do what they liked, because 'If you don't like it son, there's 3m out there who will'.
Hindsight's a lovely thing.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 18:59
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Really people I can't believe that you actually think Thatcher was evil.

Ruthless maybe, hard line definately, but evil come on talk some sense.

I feel sorry for the miners and their families, but they suffered for the years of walk outs in other industries which was crippling the economy. The Unions had to be broken and the miners, unfortunately, bore the brunt of that.

Of course it was political, with the greater good of the Country ar stake and not based on the viability of the industry itself. This has been proved by the mines that were bought out and have produced coal for years since.

Whether these decisions were correct is a subject of debate, but to call her evil is naive in the extreme. Do you really think policy and political strategy was made on the basis of 'evil'.

Please people this is just plain ridiculous.

red_rebel Posted on 13/02/2008 19:00
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Very few people ever actively want to see another individual die, unless they are really despised hate figures seen as heartless, cruel despots responsible for massive crimes against their own people or something. Oh, right.


LemmyKilmister Posted on 13/02/2008 19:02
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The woman showed no compassion or sympathy for the folk she piled the scrapheap high with. She couldn't have given a monkeys chuff for the people of Consett, Motherwell or Teesside.

BoroInNC Posted on 13/02/2008 19:04
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I remember when she got the boot: we had Tory and Labour councillors teaching at St Mary's, so they got word from the local radio wanting instant reactions. The news spread from their classes across college, and we started celebrating: 'ding dong, the witch is dead'.

red_rebel's right: you can pin a lot on the kind of dog-eat-dog world that Thatcher bequeathed to this generation's young parents when they were growing up in the 80s. Doing what you were good at wasn't good enough. Being time-served in a trade made you a historical relic.

If you're my age, you remember being at school when a few kids had dads who were away six weeks of eight, down south, on the rigs or in the Middle East, then coming back and spending money to make up for lost time. Those kids had the nice trainers and the designer clothes, but a lot of them got into trouble. Put them alongside kids whose dads hadn't worked in years, having the P*** taken because they can't afford stuff, and it gets nasty.

'We are a grandmother'? She's the grandma to every chavvy ASBO case.

I will be one of those in that long queue when she carks it. They'll have to cremate her because the ground will spit her out in disgust.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 19:04
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"The woman showed no compassion or sympathy for the folk she piled the scrapheap high with. She couldn't have given a monkeys chuff for the people of Consett, Motherwell or Teesside"

Who was responsible for creating the Teesside Development Corporation then?

jam69 Posted on 13/02/2008 19:05
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well done metaxa,its good to hear of someone hard working doing well for themselves(specially if its a job you enjoy),my point was you had to drop it in there didnt you?bit of the 80s harry enfield about you aint there?

LemmyKilmister Posted on 13/02/2008 19:08
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Jonny_Ingbar - did the TDC ever replace the amount of jobs lost?

red_rebel Posted on 13/02/2008 19:09
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Ah yes, the TDC: an institution beyond any democratic control that promised a lot but delivered nothing, swallowed up £100m plus of unaccounted for public cash and then finished in a swath of people cutting and running after shredding all the paperwork.

Another Thatcherite success story.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 19:17
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I take it the area from Stockton Riverside Road through to Thornaby/Acklam is a mirage then is it?

The allegation was that she didn't give a toss about Teesside - well unless I'm mistaken the TDC was a direct result of her visit to Teesside in the 80's.

And no it didn't replace the jobs, but then if jobs aren't sustainable in ecomonic terms then what is the alternative. Do you expect the government to subsidise industry?

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 19:21
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I lived in the Boro and Stockton for a few good years. When I revisit I feel nothing but sadness. I see the legacy of Thatcher.
The children of Thatcher.
The "nothing such as community"
By god Maggie you reap what you sow.

LemmyKilmister Posted on 13/02/2008 19:28
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LeitrimBoro - that's the way I feel. I want to come back to Middlesbrough when my time in the forces is up. I'd come back home tomorrow, but what prospects would there be for my kids let alone me? Working in Aldi's on Teesside Park? There's virtually nothing there anymore.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 19:29
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I missed that. The TDC, You are winding us up?? Go on, you are??
I mean everyone knows about that organisation. No, your having a laugh. Bless, I nearly fell for it.
Jaysus that was close I nearly bit.
Your a chancer Jonny.
Nice one.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 19:38
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Yeah ok I admit the TDC was riddled with corruption and fraud but hey we got Teesside park out of it didn't we.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 19:51
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Lemmy. The world is a big place. I love the life I have now and would not change it for anything. Being back home in Ireland is wonderful.
I am not sure if you have a trade but if I was a young buck, Aussie is the place I would go to.
The Teesside area is a dump. Sorry to say it, but the outward aggression of some of the inhabitants is awful. They seem to enjoy being common and discourteous. The children of Thatcher.

raggy100 Posted on 13/02/2008 19:54
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The commies seem to think that before Thatcher everything was great. Have they forgot about the winter of discontent, the complete lack of investment in Teesside from the governement, the grip that the unions had on car and coal production making the UK one of the least productive countries in western europe. Yes there was great unemployement on Teesside but that has always been the case. Since Thatcher the quality of living for all in this country has increased dramatically. Thatcher was a conviction politician who did what she believed was right, unlike the corrupt spin driven shower we have had over the last 10 yrs. The TDC played a massive part in MFC getting the riverside so cheap as well!



heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 13/02/2008 19:57
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And the TDC played a massive part in the Middlehaven development too.

And to imply that the Thatcher government was somehow whiter and more pure than the current Labour one.......have a word.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 13/02/2008 19:58
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"If I couldn`t dance on the grave. I would just take a dump"

"The Teesside area is a dump. Sorry to say it, but the outward aggression of some of the inhabitants is awful.They seem to enjoy being common and discourteous."

??

ayresomemark Posted on 13/02/2008 20:00
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Not Austrailia. The cost of living is extortionate. Thats why all the boulby lads who got head-hunted to go there 2 years ago are coming back.

dentist fees hospital fees rent all hundreds of dollars

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 20:11
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Dias boro
I stand by both statements.
I would enjoy the first. The second is sad but true.

littlejimmy Posted on 13/02/2008 20:17
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raggy100 - a couple of points:

"The commies seem to think that before Thatcher everything was great."

Nope, sorry. Haven't seen anyone on this thread say that, but carry on basing your opinion on prejudiced, ill-founded assumptions.

"Since Thatcher the quality of living for all in this country has increased dramatically."

Rrrrright. That's why the UK still has the highest child poverty levels in the EU.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 20:19
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Yes thank God for the NHS and the Labour Gov. that set it up.
It costs me 1600euro a year for health insurance, thats for myself and the wife and the young buck. but you need it.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 20:25
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Genuine question to the anti-Thatcher contingent.

Do you think it all bad during her premiership? Can you not draw any positives at all?

BoroInNC Posted on 13/02/2008 20:26
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> Thatcher was a conviction politician

She should have been a convicted politician, more like.

The TDC sums up Thatcher's attitude: give the money to unaccountable businessmen, let them make secret deals and raid the kitty, leave the councils to deal with the aftermath. I remember her little visit, and wanting the ground to open up beneath her.

boroandproud2 Posted on 13/02/2008 20:28
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Margaret Thatcher = Legend

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/02/2008 20:29
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BoroinNC - do you not think that business is run on secret deals and shady goings on - that wasn't Thatchers fault, thats the way it is.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 13/02/2008 20:32
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Ask Duncan Hall. He really knows how things work.
A friend of mine worked at the TDC.

BoroInNC Posted on 13/02/2008 20:59
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> that wasn't Thatchers fault, thats the way it is.

I'm not naive about business. I'm not naive about the way councils work, either. But the TDC was set up to lock out the councils and local MPs from the process, and you don't need to be a genius to work out why.

The best you can say is that they weren't as sloppy as the councillors who got backhanders from Poulson.

boro_exile Posted on 13/02/2008 21:11
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the most sensible and dare i say accurate post from you bri - as a kid of the 80's i remember how my parents went from being labour-ites to respond to the ethic which her govt ultimately gave us. she wa no saint and i'm sure she's fully aware of that fact but she enabled people like my parents to better their lives, both socially and economically , in a way that is now a legacy that is something i will pass on to my kids - there is nothing wrong with feeling a moral obligation to improve the world we live in and whilst there are inevitably casulties along the way, she, i beleive, was for the greater good - she was a woman of her times, and i do not believe any other politician of her, or even this era, would have done better for our country

alvesdad Posted on 13/02/2008 21:15
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the steelworkers were striking for 20%pay rises shi-e as an ex steelworker we went on strike in 1980 because we were offered nothing pay rises for that year after thirteen weeks we came back defeated but look what happened in our area cargo Fleet closed cleveland works closed Lots more plants shut in Redcar remember in parts of the boro 65% unenployment on some estates thatcher was evil make no mistake

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 13/02/2008 22:09
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This is the problem with politics isn't it? People start with an opinion and then apply the evidence rather than looking at the evidence and then forming an opinion.

There's valid arguments from both sides but those effected negatively are always going to struggle to look at things objectively.

I'll agree with ayresomemark on one thing though. It's sad that people harbour such extreme bitterness. Who is that benefitting? There's an irony in wanting to dance on the grave on someone you see as cold and heartless. And a sad irony at that.

FatterThanFoggon Posted on 13/02/2008 22:51
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I would like to see a double with Thatcher and Paisley, now that's worth a good drink

Red_Clowne Posted on 14/02/2008 01:53
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Bri Marwood "I'm 35 for a few more months"

That means you were born in 1973: 3 years after she snatched the milk; 6 years old when she was elected Prime Minister; 7 years old when she shut the steel works; 8 years old when she put 3 MILLION on the dole; 12 years old when she crushed the pits.

You know absolutely PHUCK ALL about this, talk to some people who lived through it before you open your mouth next time.

[:o)]

zaphod Posted on 14/02/2008 08:18
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Red_Clowne, the Labour Government in the 1960s abolished milk for secondary schools. Mrs T just abolished for over 7 to 11s. Free milk was introduced after the war for good reasons, but by the late 1960s, it was largely just played with at schools. A big waste of money.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 14/02/2008 08:37
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Red_Clowne

Although not wanting to defend Bri [:)], he is the same age as me (born in 1972) - and I saw and remember what Thatcher did vividly as it affected my family and friends a great deal. He was obviously extremely lucky not to be affected in any way. His middle class existence obviously sheltered him from the evils she bestowed on this country.

He may be talking bollox, but his opinion is still as valid as mine. Just completely wrong [:)]

Sea_Harrier Posted on 14/02/2008 08:39
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Thatcher did not close the pits, steel works, car manufacturing or anything else. We did it ourselves, and in the end it was due quite simply to market forces. We, as a manufacturing nation could not compete with other third world economies as we wanted too much out of a system that we weren't putting enough into to remain sustainable. Many European countries, the US included, had similar experiences and much was learned from the period regarding modern economics. We in the UK do not a have a god given right to properity as events of the recent past have shown which promotes China, India and other previously third world economies to the forefront.
The collapse of manufacturing would have happened no matter which party had been in government. Thatcher was a convenient scapegoat and much maligned for economic events that she could not have influenced.

borolad259 Posted on 14/02/2008 09:11
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The policy of allowing the free market to operate without regulation, the moral stance informed by social darwinism, the re-distribution of the tax burden from the wealthy to the poor, the decimation of public services....none of these were accidents. They were quite deliberate, and were pursued knowing full well what the consequences would be for the less well off.
The biggest con trick was to convince the lower middle classes that this was their chance at owning a stake. Selling shares in BT, Briish Gas etc to people who already owned them was a side show (the real benefactors were the multinational investors who snapped up the lion's share at a knockdown price), but it was a con trick that worked politically.
Thatcher's whole ethos was evil and cynical. I won't be dancing on her grave, but I certainly won't be sorry to see the back of her, even if she did make the Tories pretty much unelectable for a very long time.
Threads like this are really good. You learn a lot about the people behind the usernames.

speckyget Posted on 14/02/2008 09:23
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What usually gets lost in the Thatcher strong medicine/plain evil debate, and this thread is no exception, is her woeful incompetence in all aspects of public finance and administration. You know, the boring stuff you expect Governments just to get on with.

Well, in the basics of running a modern state, she was a dilettante, a bumbling meddler.

rumrunner Posted on 14/02/2008 09:35
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Sea-Harrier
what utter bollox how come then Germany and more to the point
those lazy socially protected frogs can support several car producers
while we as Britain have none
thats a legacy of Thatcher,
those people who say nationalisation of state industries was a good thing want to look at their eenergy bills and water bills which are now mainly owned by foreign companies

Bri_Marwood Posted on 14/02/2008 10:08
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"can support several car producers while we as Britain have none"

Doesn't Nissan count?

Bri_Marwood Posted on 14/02/2008 10:09
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"That means you were born in 1973"

It was 1972 but never mind.

The_same_as_before Posted on 14/02/2008 10:11
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``she was a dilettante´´ always thought that sounded horny, but Maggies just killed that one.

speckyget Posted on 14/02/2008 10:21
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I suspect the way 'dilettante' resonates with 'stiletto' is at the back of this.

Enjoy your lunch.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 14/02/2008 10:33
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Rumrunner,

"Utter bollox."?

You have an opinion, and so do I. Because I don't agree with you does not give you the right to abuse.

ParkEndFerret Posted on 14/02/2008 11:39
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Amazing, on a message board dedicated to things red and white so many people seeing things in Black and White !

Thatcher was a politician and like many of them self serving. The Royal Navy in the South Atlantic sent numerous signals to Downing Street a couple of months before the Falkland Islands were invaded. These signals were not acted upon and many people died in the ensuing conflict which could have been avoided by ordering the Royal Navy to the Falklands. The Falklands War was avoidable.

My dad, was a steel worker all his life (Lackenby / Dorman Long ) and when he was on strike in 1980 my family werre living on food parcels from relatives. Arthur Scargill was asked to show solidarity at the time and he politely declined apparently.

I suspect Scargill was a politician too.

Not all black and white is it ?

Lets have some reasoned debate please.


jam69 Posted on 14/02/2008 12:06
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anyway getting back to the dancing,when the great day comes coaches will be leaving the town hall at 8,picking up at stockton high street at 820.we hope to arrive at the grave around 230.each adult will beallowed 10 mins dance of their choice(riverdance not included due to danger of digging her up)children are welcome to join in under supervision.cameras are welcolme
please bring suitable footwear
more details once the body has cooled(was it ever warm)

gareth Posted on 14/02/2008 13:02
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ayresomemark
"Not Australia. The cost of living is extortionate."

Nah. I live here, so feel in a position to reply from experience.

Perth (where the mining jobs are) was getting more expensive but it's all relative.

Here in Melbourne, possibly one of the best cities in the world to live. You can buy a nice 3 bed detached house with a garden not too far from the beach and cheap, efficient public transport for not much more than GBP 100,000. Unthinkable in one of Britain's big cities (there's no equivalent to London here)

Food is cheap and there's a good public health system. The economy is booming and won't be affected by the American downturn due to China buying huge amounts resources. There are loads of jobs and a minimum wage.

In fact, it's well known that Britain is one of the most expensive places in the world. It's rip off city. You just can't see it because you've got used to it. Another of Margaret Thatcher's/Tory, sorry, Tony Blair's legacy?

ayresomemark Posted on 14/02/2008 13:12
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They are living in Mackay.

Loads of lads from the Potash were persuaded to move out there by this company, at least 50% have come back saying its too expensive.

Only telling you what they have told me.

bblf Posted on 14/02/2008 13:28
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Scargill did support the steel strikers. I was a secondary picket bussed into Sheffield to try and shut down a steel delivery point.We were taking a right kicking (30 of us) from around 50 coppers. We were on our last legs when we heard a band coming towards us. 200 Miners arrived and got stuck in with a gusto, nothing went out that day.They gave us fags,money and food.Part of my strike pay was made up of contributions from the NUM.
Steel workers were shouting for 20% but for the majority outside of Teesside it was there jobs they were fighting for.I picketed with lads from Port Talbot,Consett,Ravenscraig and many other places. Only the Teesside workers felt it was about money because Redcar was a new plant and they wouldn't let that go under. For the other lads it was their families and livleyhoods that counted.

Me I was in my early twenties and loved it all. Rucking all over the place and picking up Strike money and Picket money every day.I was an Electrician at the time ,refused to do safety cover and picketed 5 days a week. I had nearly as much money as when I worked. I met loads of mates who are still mates now.So some good came out of it.
Still hate the bitch with a vengance.
Tippety Tap
Tippety Tap
Tippety Tap

gareth Posted on 14/02/2008 14:09
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And I was only telling you what I see [;)]

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 14/02/2008 14:50
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When the old witch carks it where she's going will be well Hot.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 14/02/2008 14:59
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bblf Whilst you're dancing, you'll no doubt be singing "I had the time of my life..."
btw I knew I was right about the 20%. cheers.

LemmyKilmister Posted on 14/02/2008 15:23
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You can see how defenders of this old whore (and I'm not citing anyone in particular on here before you all start), conveniently forget what happened pre 1978. 'Remember the Winter Of Discontent', they will continually churn out.
OK Tory Boys, I'll see your Winter Of Discontent, and raise you a Three Day Week. [:D]


Metaxa Posted on 14/02/2008 16:02
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Thirteen weeks and you came back defeated and then they closed the steel works. how many business's could survive for thirteen weeks with no production and no money coming in.

With the recession that is heading our way, i think there will be a lot more people on the dole sooner rather than later.


The_same_as_before Posted on 14/02/2008 16:09
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RR must be getting well past it, less than 5 messages on Maggie, tchhh.

red_rebel Posted on 14/02/2008 16:50
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I am concentrating on quality these days Blot.

TBH I took a few months out during the vicious Great Board Wars and am only just sticking my neb back in. With all the changes, the dumbing down and the loss of some soothing familiar voices I am struggling to really feel part of it all anymore.

spurticus Posted on 14/02/2008 16:52
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Is she nearly dead like, one of the lads has got her in the dead pool thats all

The_same_as_before Posted on 14/02/2008 16:54
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Same here RR, this week is the exception, bored senseless in a one horse Spanish town.


It is the stab the bull season soon, so looking forward to home.

red_rebel Posted on 14/02/2008 16:57
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I've missed you. You don't usually go by the same route as me but at least we are working from the same map and cultural landmarks.

The_same_as_before Posted on 14/02/2008 17:00
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True we disagree on the two Tony´s, but nowt wrong with high taxation, full employment, high public spending, minimum wage (that could be doubled) and out with the landed hyphoned-gentry.

ayresomemark Posted on 14/02/2008 18:02
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FFS half of you lot are acting as public avengers. I could maybe see your point if we had a despot like caucescu,amin,pol pot or hitler or we were the victims of civil war like bosnia.

She was elected by the population more than once and the vitriol that has been said on this thread is shocking.

littlejimmy Posted on 14/02/2008 18:03
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Nice in theory, shame it's all tied in with cash for honours and lies about WMD.

Good to see you back, blot.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 14/02/2008 18:15
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I blame Pat Maggee. A lot to answer for.

ayresomemark Posted on 14/02/2008 18:41
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LB - as you said we dont want to get onto politics...especially into Irish politics.

Just to say he was part of a murdering,faceless organisation that killed innocent people.

Now your not saying that you -although hopefully tongue in cheek - support the killing the Republicans did and therefore support terrorism???

pat_the_cat Posted on 14/02/2008 19:20
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'I'm alright Jack. F*** everybody else' mentality created by Thatcher is by far the worse thing that she ever did.

jam69 Posted on 14/02/2008 19:47
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thats her legacy pat,a society that gives a F*** about no one and would crawl over their dead grannie to get her purse.sold the country to pay for flawed policys,anyone want back mortgages at 17%(her contempt for the working class).just polished my dancing shoes. BOO YA FUKER!

borobuddah Posted on 14/02/2008 20:20
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Ask Bobby Sands, her fellow MP, she watched him die rather than allow him to wear civillian clothes denoting that he and the others were political detainees.

ayresomemark Posted on 14/02/2008 20:26
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bobby sands was a convicted shooter from PIRA.

he chose to die along with other criminals bacause the 5 demands were not met.

she was definately hardline.

but for people to hate her that much i find astounding.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 14/02/2008 20:31
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Fair enough Thatcher was maybe to blame for many things, but to include the demise of the British car manufacturing industry is plainly and wholly wrong.

I think you will find it was the Unions that brought BL to its knees, which was very much a sign of those times. Remember the blackouts anyone? The unions were crippling the Country and she broke them, simple as that.

The debate is around whther the means she did it under were justified or not, rather than whether those means worked.

borobuddah Posted on 14/02/2008 21:10
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Fellow MP, democratically elected.

God_Almighty Posted on 14/02/2008 21:28
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God_Almighty raises his helmet and salutes his captain in the Pavilion, there's the 200.

borobuddah Posted on 14/02/2008 22:07
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Can't wait.

ThePrisoner Posted on 14/02/2008 22:39
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"OK Tory Boys, I'll see your Winter Of Discontent, and raise you a Three Day Week"

Pfff. Brixton riots, Poll tax riots, Special Patrol Group *lays cards on table and collects pot*

Bri_Marwood Posted on 14/02/2008 23:20
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Bobby Sands was just very good at dieting, bit too good really.


LeitrimBoro Posted on 15/02/2008 00:00
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No, I wouldn`t nibble at the uneducated.
All I will say is, she was played along like a good piano and she did not disappoint. She was great at recruiting.
Thank god we now have peace.

bblf Posted on 15/02/2008 00:11
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Prisoner, the SPG had a terrible reputation for violence.I was picketing TUC House in Russell square and a Daily Mirror reporter told us they had arrived. All in black and no way of identiying them. The police put Policewomen at the front thinking they would not get pushed . We backed away thinking its women, the Welsh lads rattled into them and afterwards told us their women were more important so F*** em. The SPG charged and we had moved to the back by then wondering what to do. I thought the charge would break them but they stood their ground and knocked the S*** out of the SPG lads. That was when I realised it was about more than money outside of Teesside.

The_263 Posted on 15/02/2008 00:12
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If Thatcher was an ex Boro player with a propensity to do bad things then the impact of a lawsuit would dominate this thread. Some people are more equal than others?

ThePrisoner Posted on 15/02/2008 00:14
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"Prisoner, the SPG had a terrible reputation for violence"

I know.

bblf Posted on 15/02/2008 00:17
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Another taste of maggies Britain, I went for a job interview over the old dog track (sparky). During the interview which was going well one of the Interviewers asked me why Id been on an unemployment march in Liverpool 4 weeks earlier. I told him I felt I as an employed man had a duty to protest to help those not in work. I asked him how he knew and he refused to tell me. I could see he was reading of a police report. Id never been arressted in my life but they knew all about me.
I didn't get the job and later found out they had info from the police and my place of work.

In the end it was quite lucky, the tracks stands burnt to the ground and the electricain they employed took all the blame and was taken to court I think.