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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 09/09/2009 12:51
Derren Brown - The Events

Tonight in the first part of the series he is going to predict the national lottery numbers, live. I've seen the guy in theatre twice and he's incredible but you do have to wonder how on earth he can do this.

Link: Derren

Big_Shot Posted on 09/09/2009 12:53
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I'd be impressed if he said this afternoon the winning lottery numbers tonight are going to be blah, blah, blah and they came out. But he can't because its just a trick.

bob_end_fan Posted on 09/09/2009 13:00
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I have only watchd one of his programmes the one he did on horse racing.

8 horses in the race and 8 different horses given to eight people.

Good god he tipped the winner.

I want the hour I wasted watching it back.

We all know the programme will be a con, so I for one will not be watching it

zero_on_the_roulette Posted on 09/09/2009 13:06
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He tells us on friday how he done it!

believe me its simple!

ive worked it out!

fatharrywhite Posted on 09/09/2009 13:10
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"I'd be impressed if he said this afternoon the winning lottery numbers tonight are going to be blah, blah, blah and they came out"

that's what he's going to try and do - he predicts them at 10.35 and the draw isnt until 10.45

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 09/09/2009 13:11
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I went to his shows and all the volunteers are picked at random by tossing in frisbiews so it was impossible to fix. Yeah the horse racing one wasn't great but i'll be interested to see the one tonight.

He's a illusionist who can read body lanuguage and manipulate choices, etc but this is abit odd.

Link: Then watch in reverse

boro_expat Posted on 09/09/2009 13:18
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I used to be a big fan, but when the illusion is shattered, he appears far less impressive. Don't read on if you don't want to know.

I was in Las Vegas a few years back and watched David Copperfield at the MGM Grand.

The following year, I saw Derren Brown doing almost the same stage act. He had dressed it up differently, but the 'tricks' were nearly all the same as David Copperfield's.

When we say Derren Brown live, we had spotted that the bloke sitting next to my wife in the theatre seemed a bit 'odd'. He arrived very late, said hello and a few words to the person next to him, but they appeared not to know each other too well. During the break, you could put your details into a box for a 2nd half 'The Oracle' trick. Sure enough the bloke next to us gets picked out by 'random' and Derren Brown does some remarkable 'mind reading' with him. When he got picked, Brown called him by his first name, seat and row number - trouble is the seat and row number didn't match the bloke next to us.

When the he sat back down, he never mentioned a word to his friend. Most people would have been totally stunned and would have had something to say. This guy said nothing to his mate. Derren Brown's act starts by saying "I don't use stooges". He clearly does.

Pasty Posted on 09/09/2009 13:25
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oway then zero hows he do it

afonso_alves12 Posted on 09/09/2009 13:31
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Yeah Zero, spill the beans

fatharrywhite Posted on 09/09/2009 14:20
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"Derren Brown's act starts by saying "I don't use stooges". He clearly does."

I saw him in newcastle this year and the girl in front of us was hypnotized when he did the whole audience in a trance.

She was no way in a million years a stooge and you could tell that when she came back to talk to her boyfriend about what had happened.

Nero Posted on 09/09/2009 15:36
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I saw him a few years ago at Sunderland and he was outstanding.

He doesn't claim to be anything he isn't. It's the power of persuassion. The show I was at was actually recorded and he plays it back at the end, to show you how he managed to get the audiance thinking along the lines he wanted.

Excellent stuff.

Away_win Posted on 09/09/2009 15:57
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darren brown predicting the lottery numbers?

Whats he will do i think is predict YOUR lottery numbers which will be 6 9 25 32 and 47. Thats because they are hidden on the advert. People will believe these to be the correct lottery numbers and millions of people will put them on.

so are you going to put them on? just in case? [;)] thats my theory anyway

Cardiff_Memories Posted on 09/09/2009 17:09
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Saw him at Newcastle earlier this year and thought he was amazing. I got on the stage after a frizbee hit the seating above and fell in my lap (fairly random!). He had 5 of us up there and about 40 polaroids of people in the audience. We all picked one we'd remember. He put the photos on a table and played Guess Who with us, but with us only answered in our heads. When he got me he had me one side and another bloke the other. He literally asked me "is it a male or female?" turned a few cards over and went "ok I know yours". He was right.

This was one of the 1st things in his act. The ending was simply stunning.

He openly admits that he cannot perform magic, but say what you like, he's pretty impressive. Of course tonight will be a trick, but it'll still be interesting. For anyone who hasn't seen him. I'd strongly recommend it.

12_Afonso Posted on 09/09/2009 17:10
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The way I see it; even if its all a load of XXXXXXe. His shows (especially the two live ones Ive seen), are VERY entertaining. I'll definitely be tuning in tonight.

Away_win Posted on 09/09/2009 19:25
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sossage Posted on 09/09/2009 19:29
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I quite liked The Da Vinci Code but haven't read any of his other books yet - are they any good?

mattyk50 Posted on 09/09/2009 22:24
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"But he can't because its just a trick."

NO WAY!!!! so hes not actually psychic???

The_Downing_Wave Posted on 09/09/2009 22:31
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I'm going for 11, 27, 32, 35, 42, 48

mcyates Posted on 09/09/2009 22:34
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did he do it?

kazza Posted on 09/09/2009 22:36
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comming on channel 4 now

PinkPonce Posted on 09/09/2009 22:42
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Post the numbers up then ... ?

PP ... x

Holgate_Hero Posted on 09/09/2009 22:43
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fukk off!!! [:D]

TheSmogMonster Posted on 09/09/2009 22:43
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Well he 'did' it.

wheelz Posted on 09/09/2009 22:44
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fok me..!! how'd he do it..??

fatharrywhite Posted on 09/09/2009 22:44
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how the XXXXXX did he do that?

PinkPonce Posted on 09/09/2009 22:44
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You çunt [:D] ...

PP ... x

kazza Posted on 09/09/2009 22:44
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how did he do that, i am tuning in on friday[^]

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 09/09/2009 22:46
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just won the lottery!!!!!!!!!!!!

damned shame i am gonna have to share it with 13 million others Doh!

acklam_lad Posted on 09/09/2009 22:46
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were them balls in view when the draw was being made? cant remember

PinkPonce Posted on 09/09/2009 22:46
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So he did it then ... ? Predicted the 6 winning numbers ... ?

PP ... x

Away_win Posted on 09/09/2009 22:47
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crazy XXXXXX

lockey Posted on 09/09/2009 22:47
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He did it but,the balls were never in the camera's view.unless there was a crowd there its XXXXXX

fatharrywhite Posted on 09/09/2009 22:49
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what you on about, the balls were on camera at all time.

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 09/09/2009 22:51
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just replayed it and the balls were in full view of the camera at all times during the draw. the camera work was very shaky mind!

gurthy Posted on 09/09/2009 22:53
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he stood very still when the draw was being made, means nothing like

BoroLewis Posted on 09/09/2009 22:54
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I just watchedi it back on sky plus and the balls that he picked never went out of the camerasview at all, I can't get my head round how this is possible, it's a radom machine, like to know the odds of predcting them correct.

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 09/09/2009 22:55
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13 million to one!

gurthy Posted on 09/09/2009 22:56
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the numbers in the advert wernt the same were they ?

Parno Posted on 09/09/2009 22:57
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I was thinking something to do with freezing the feed. Froze one half while someone put the correct numbers up.

lockey Posted on 09/09/2009 22:57
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My mistake was focussing on him and the telly didn't notice them

elnino1 Posted on 09/09/2009 22:58
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The only reason I know this is bollox is because he's done it live.

I'd be more impressed if he did at at his local shop, on a handycam, yesterday, then put the numbers on, won the lottery than bragged about it. He's not so rich another couple of mil wouldn't go amiss.

The dosey coont.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/09/2009 22:59
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Will one of you çunts ƒucking tell me what the ƒucks going on LoL ... [:D]

The odds on winning the lottery are approximately 14,000,000 to one ... So if he's just picked the 6 numbers then there you go ...

What I don't understand though is, what balls where on the camera ... And did they play the actual lottery draw from tonight ... ?

PP ... x

futureboy Posted on 09/09/2009 22:59
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so.... during the draw, what we were seeing was actually a still picture with the BBC TV in the middle... and there was a little bloke running around putting the correct balls on DB's table?

it would explain why there was no audience at the stunt, and they could use the bonus ball draw as a few extra seconds to get the bloke off screen.


dooderooni Posted on 09/09/2009 23:00
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Some of the stuff he does on his TV series is clearly just using audio and visual clues to subliminally influence the subjects he deals with, some of it is slight of hand, some of it illusion.

Regardless, it's hugely impressive and you'd actually be a bit foolish to believe it's pure magic.

Even if his predicting tonights lottery numbers was achieved the same way as his horse racing "system" it will still be very interesting to see how he pulled it off.

The_Downing_Wave Posted on 09/09/2009 23:05
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He did stand very still during the draw,maybe it was a freeze frame one side and the balls were put in place on the other.

Cant think of any other way he could do it

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 09/09/2009 23:06
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i dont for one minute think its magic or pshycic however it was tonights draw, it did show the balls and the TV and him in the same room apparently, and the camera work was shakey, with the ball stand and TV apparently moving at the same time. it was very well done how ever he did it!

CiscoKid Posted on 09/09/2009 23:08
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I had PIP enabled (Picture in Picture) so I could watch at the same time as watching Derren Brown. Ther was about a 10/15 second delay on his feed - not sure if it's relevant though.

Keverson Posted on 09/09/2009 23:09
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The_Downing_Wave may be right. He stands very still and only moves when the final ball comes out.

Maybe the shaky camerawork was an attempt to distract the viewer from realising that.

tommywheeliesdad Posted on 09/09/2009 23:09
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if he could do that why hasnt he won the lotto every week [;)]no need to work doing shows [^]

fatharrywhite Posted on 09/09/2009 23:12
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it was never a 15 second delay, i flicked the TV over and it was only 1 or 2 at the most.

Friday's show should be good regardless of which of the theories are correct..i suspect none of them will be anywhere close to the real one.

mattfin13 Posted on 09/09/2009 23:13
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hes made a recording of EVERY combinations of numbers, as soon as the tv is turned off the feed switches to the pre-recorded show.

BoroLewis Posted on 09/09/2009 23:13
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He does say at the end though that he will explain on friday how he managed to do it and how other people can try and do it themselves, to me this suggests their is a system that he uses and nothing to do with a camera stunt, would be a huge let down if it was a camera stunt, i do agree tat he keeps incredibly still during th draw though.

The_Downing_Wave Posted on 09/09/2009 23:13
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The guy is guaranteed to get a big audience regardless of how he did it

PinkPonce Posted on 09/09/2009 23:15
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FFS ... I wish someone would just tell me what the ƒuck happened LoL [:D]

So explain - It he was "Freeze Framed" what difference would that have made ... ? He still picked the numbers I presume and identified them prior to the draw being made ... ?

PP ... x

Link: ... ?

Holgate_Hero Posted on 09/09/2009 23:15
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"hes made a recording of EVERY combinations of numbers, as soon as the tv is turned off the feed switches to the pre-recorded show."

theres millions upon millions of combinations though

mcyates Posted on 09/09/2009 23:16
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He wouldn't risk his reputation on this without knowing he would get it correct.

Why didn't he guess the numbers at 3pm this afternoon?

mattfin13 Posted on 09/09/2009 23:16
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he did say it took him a year to work on

CiscoKid Posted on 09/09/2009 23:17
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0k 15 may be slightly too high but it was pretty close to ten seconds. on his feed the first ball dropped while on the PIP the second ball was on it's way.

Getye Posted on 09/09/2009 23:17
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XXXXXX, just missed it. Fook me did he do it?![:O]

Keverson Posted on 09/09/2009 23:19
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"theres millions upon millions of combinations though"

He did say that this whole project had been a year - maybe that's how long it took to record them all [:D]

The_Downing_Wave Posted on 09/09/2009 23:19
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to explain.

He had his prediction balls in sight all the time, but the numbers were turned away from the camera, so you couldn't see the numbers written on them.

The balls were on the left, tv in the middle, DB to the right.

When the draw was made on the telly, DB stood very still (relevant or not, who knows?)

Then after the draw, DB moved over to the left, revealed his balls (not those ones) and lo and behold they matched the winning numbers.

Truly amazing stuff!!!

BoroLewis Posted on 09/09/2009 23:19
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I was flicking between bbc 1 and channel 4 and the delay was 2 seconds maximum.

fatharrywhite Posted on 09/09/2009 23:19
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there's 14 million combinations.Say it took 30 seconds it would take about 13 years to film them all. unless my maths is crap!

14,000,000*30=420000000 seconds
= 7000000 minutes
= 116667 hours
= 4861 days
= 13 years

mattfin13 Posted on 09/09/2009 23:21
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only bit he needs is spinning the table round, 2 seconds max.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/09/2009 23:22
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Thank you Wave ...

Very interesting ...

PP ... x

The_Downing_Wave Posted on 09/09/2009 23:23
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got to be more to it than a cheap camera trick surely?

wayne_drops Posted on 09/09/2009 23:23
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anybody sky+ this? just before the bb is announced ther is a slight but sudden movement of the camera as if it has refocussed or rejoined the feed.... anyone else see that?

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 09/09/2009 23:24
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Now on youtube

Link: for now anyway

BoroLewis Posted on 09/09/2009 23:27
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I sky+ it Wayne and just had a look back and can't see much, the camera was moving a little bit throughout the whole programme, didn't noice much movemnet at the bonus ball.

CiscoKid Posted on 09/09/2009 23:28
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" I was flicking between bbc 1 and channel 4 and the delay was 2 seconds maximum."

I don't care if you were flicking between channels - I had PIP enabled and the delay was way longer than that, however, I'm not sure any delay of however long is relevant to the trick.

Holgate_Hero Posted on 09/09/2009 23:30
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youre tv is fukked ciscokid [^]

CiscoKid Posted on 09/09/2009 23:31
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Of course it is!!!!

wayne_drops Posted on 09/09/2009 23:31
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borolewis... it just after the voice say and the bonus ball is and ther is a shift from left to right. 4:55 on youtube

mattrich Posted on 09/09/2009 23:32
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Allowing for a delay in live tv, could Derren Brown have someone in the audience on the national lottery giving info as soon as th ball comes out? this would give him more time to create the illusion. can't someone just do a FAO jonathon creek to explain it?

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 09/09/2009 23:34
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He's OK, but a poor mans Ali Bongo

BoroLewis Posted on 09/09/2009 23:38
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If all it was, was a freeze frame it would be a very poor programme on frida night, I pressume the programme friday will be on for atleast 30 minutes so surely there is some theory behind it, I still believe it is down to some sort of theory and not just camera work.

CiscoKid Posted on 09/09/2009 23:41
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He's done a similar trick in front of a live audience so it can't simply be camera work.

I guess we'll just have to wait till Friday.

Holgate_Hero Posted on 09/09/2009 23:47
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Link: click

flaps Posted on 09/09/2009 23:49
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Of course it's a trick - that's his whole act.

However he did it, it won't be camera trickery.

Nuge Posted on 09/09/2009 23:50
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All I can think of is that the numbers were overlaid onto the balls using CGI or chroma key when he turns them around.

Like the first down line on American football

Link: First down line

flaps Posted on 09/09/2009 23:53
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No. Not camera trickery. That would be death for his act. Anyone could do that.

tabsiesteeth Posted on 09/09/2009 23:55
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has his hand over his mouth whislt the balls are been drawn .intresting me thinks[:P]

outoftowned Posted on 10/09/2009 00:04
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I must be one of the few to have read his book.. my god it is dry as foo'k

however he is one well, and supposedly self, trained mo fo in loads of psychological manipulation, transference and suggestion

tonight?? who knows .. he did once do a toss a coin thing and showed himself to record for hours on end

my guess is he'll imply something else, but like all illusionsists, will use technology

JLinardi Posted on 10/09/2009 00:06
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Yea I dont think it was camera trickery, it would make him seem like a total fraud and ruin his reputation completely.

Grogsy78 Posted on 10/09/2009 00:08
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I reckon the numbers were projected onto the balls from underneath, ie the stand was clear glass, white balls & he made a random comment about people watching it on a projected wall? the fact that the numbers were all pointing upwards and not straight, You would put them straight if they were actuallly printed on!

outoftowned Posted on 10/09/2009 00:10
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the impression he gave in his book is that he only wants a reputation for "manipulation".. and however he does it is 'one up' on the audience.. whether big small or millions

The_Downing_Wave Posted on 10/09/2009 00:11
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but he moved the balls later on, the numbers were definitely on the balls

JLinardi Posted on 10/09/2009 00:17
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If the numbers were projected on, as he turned them round there would be a moment where the balls had no numbers on them and you would see the projection light probably. They were definately printed on the balls.

Cardiff_Memories Posted on 10/09/2009 00:31
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Is it just me late on a night without my contact lens in / a bit of a dodgy picture on youtube, but can anyone else see a silhouette around the stand for the balls???

Look just above the white on the bottom of he stand.

No? Just me then..time for bed!

nippy85 Posted on 10/09/2009 00:34
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Few things I noticed:
He walks infront of the balls before the draw is made

Just after he walks past the balls u can see on the tv screen a shadow of a person moving ( not his) and there was only him and the camera man in the room.

Not sure if the above have any relivance but just a few things I noticed.

JLinardi Posted on 10/09/2009 00:49
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There would also have been a soundman in the room.

north_stand_chris Posted on 10/09/2009 00:51
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Surely it's just a simple split screen, the side with the balls on is a still or prerecorded video footage which is on top of the live feed. Someone is there putting the correct balls on the podium, then when the draw is finished just flick the image off and revert back to the live view of the left hand of the screen. The shaky camera work all the way through will have been for the split second the switch from recording to live feed was made as if it was still..... especially in hd age eagle eyed viewers will probabaly seen a shift in position in at least one of the balls. If I could be arsed to put the effort in and with a helper I could probably do it with the most basic of broadcast software on justin tv right now. The whole mouth over hand thing, saying it's a year of work, the constant excited and worried talking is so the viewer is totally concentrating on him to see how he does it, ignoring the balls on the left. If he had shown the balls as the draw was about to be made......... after all nobody could put the numbers on then anyway so there couldn't have been any legal problems, or if he had even walked behind the balls while speaking I'd have been much more impressed.

Probably be well wide of the mark and look a knob by Friday though [:P]

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/09/2009 00:55
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Its what I always like about him, half the fun is figuring out how he did it.

The_Bozza_Rogue Posted on 10/09/2009 01:55
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If he could predict the numbers, why doesn't he do it every week?

Also, if he could predict the numbers he wouldn't be making a XXXXXX tv programme, he would be living it somewhere.

Mark_Bosnich Posted on 10/09/2009 03:26
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have a look at 6:13 there is a very deliberate pause where he stands still

Link: youtube

Stanley_Downing Posted on 10/09/2009 04:02
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He predicted the numbers and all you mofo's are just jealous you never.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 10/09/2009 08:05
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PinkPonce Posted on 10/09/2009 08:27
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The part where he said the BBC has to release the results of the lottery first (Or something along them lines) ... He simply made a prediction and therefore could have shown his balls (So to speak) ... He wouldn't have been displaying the "result" if it was a live performance - merely his 6 picks which is the same as millions of others do every single week ...

That, therefore, makes me think that there is something not quite right about it ...

PP ... x

slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 10/09/2009 08:33
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its obviously an elusion, a very good one! Its almost an impossible task to do

That, therefore, makes me think that there is something not quite right about it

no sh1t sherlock

Big_Shot Posted on 10/09/2009 08:38
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It was an advert to get viewing figures up for his new show, it might just work.

Dibzzz Posted on 10/09/2009 09:05
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If someone can predict the lottery numbers the lottery wil have to shut down.

It wasn't even a good illusion for me, a waste of a few minutes of my life if anything.

Away_win Posted on 10/09/2009 09:30
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after the draw he says "those are... the lottery numbers for this week"

in his pause look at the way he moves, especially his left leg, it looks unnatural. I think its been recorded loads of times.

but who knows

Manfriday Posted on 10/09/2009 09:39
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As the learned gentleman mr ponce has already pointed out, the guff about the BBC having the legal right to show the result first being why he didnt reveal the numbers before the draw. Thats like saying you cant show anyone your lottery ticket before the draw in case you have predicted the numbers. Also, what was the purpose of highlighting the camera man at the back of the room if he then didnt use that camera at all after that? One of the youtube clips shows the ball furthest left actually rises a tiny fraction from beginning to end and you can see it when you compare the 2 freeze frames

paulwilko10 Posted on 10/09/2009 09:47
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Why didnt he buy a ticket and show us ?

This fishy of the highest fishy order [V]

Very clever though and will be interesting to see on friday !

Keverson Posted on 10/09/2009 09:52
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His agreement with the BBC about him not showing the result till after the draw is a lame excuse to not show his prediction till afterwards.

The shaky camera gives the possibility that they've switched to a pre-recording. Whether he actually recorded each possible outcome does seem a bit much though.

Also, he has done this before. On tv he's flicked a coin and it's landed on heads 10 times in a row. He went on to show that he did that routine for hours and hours as it was always possible that somewhere in the chain of results there'd be 10 heads in a row.

One thing I did notice is that he says the number 2 quite a lot, which does actually appear in the draw. It's probably a coincidence though I thought it was a bit weird.

Fearless_Fish Posted on 10/09/2009 10:23
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Keverson you mentalist detective. How's the new digs?

PP was right about the line about BBC having the right to broadcast the result, there's no way, legally, why he couldn't show us the balls before the draw started.

I like Derren Brown and find a lot of his stuff really interesting, but I just can't see a way that he can show us how he did it without it being very disappointing.

Keverson Posted on 10/09/2009 10:30
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The new digs ... she was on holiday last week, has got food poisoning from it, and I ate my tea last night while listening to her being sick! Nice ...

It will be a disappointing result though - much like his betting programme was.

Fearless_Fish Posted on 10/09/2009 10:35
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I found his betting one quite amusing. The key to his shows is not in believing he has the ability to always pick a horse, or that he can predict the lottery numbers, but how he manages to trick intelligent people into believing he has.

Unfortunately, like I said, I can't see how he's going to do that on this occasion without some form of camera trickery, which will be a disappointment.

Oooo Posted on 10/09/2009 10:38
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Bottom line is he showed the correct numbers after the draw was made. I could do that. The clever bit was how quickly it was done but obviously there is a trick in there.

spurticus Posted on 10/09/2009 10:41
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I also had picture in picture on and the delay was less than a way was it 10-15

CrazyL Posted on 10/09/2009 10:49
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Surely he would only have to record himself 'selecting' each of the 49 balls individually and then drop the relevant one in as each is drawn? He wouldn't need to pre-record every possible 6 ball outcome which would be impossible anyway.

Fearless_Fish Posted on 10/09/2009 10:55
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What the video CrazyL - he doesn't do them one at a time, he reveals all 6 balls at once at the end - so he can't pull that trick on this one.

littlejimmy Posted on 10/09/2009 10:56
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He also said that he would show us how he did it so everyone else could try to predict the numbers. We haven't all got TV studios and editing suites...there's something more to it, not magic of course. Will be interesting to see how he did it.

bogey1 Posted on 10/09/2009 10:57
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You do all realise that the BBC National Lottery draw isn't actually 'Live' dont you? It is pre-recorded around 10 minutes before it goes out on air. Therefore if you have someone in the BBC studio watching the draw they can then tell you the numbers 10 minutes before they were revealed on this programme.

This delay in recording and screening is why you cant buy a lottery ticket in the last 30 minutes before the draw is made.

paulwilko10 Posted on 10/09/2009 10:59
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Surely buying a ticket would of been a better way of proving it ?

bogey1 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:01
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He couldnt buy a ticket tho cos he didnt find out the numbers until 10 minutes before they appeared on air - and obviously it was too late to buy a ticket

Hercules Posted on 10/09/2009 11:02
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I very much doubtr that will be the trick bogey1.

It wouldn't make a very good show on Friday night.

paulwilko10 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:03
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He said he picked the numbers earlier in the day ?
So go buy a ticket then !!!!

It is a big lie and on friday we may no what happened for real

Bandy Posted on 10/09/2009 11:04
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I actually think he wrote on a pressure pad of some sort which then sends a signal

bogey1 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:04
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I know Hercules and that's why this wont be the explanation that he gives on Friday. He will give some explanation that makes him look fantastic and amaze everyone - but believe me, this is how he did it

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/09/2009 11:06
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bogey1, I'm fairly sure the national lottery is broadcast live it has to legally so no one can fudge the results or do a retake.

There will be a gap but it'll be seconds not minutes.

I'm interested to see how he's done it, it'll be a trick but it won't be anything like that.

You also have to remember bogey1 that his method has to have worked, or else no one will be impressed.

bogey1 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:08
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Ill tell you what Smog Monster - ask someone who ask been to watch the National Lottery draw in the BBC studios, then try telling me that im wrong.

I try to help people by telling you how it's done and yas just shoot me down. Well if you want to believe its all magic then crack on [^]. Abracadabra, im gone!

Big_Shot Posted on 10/09/2009 11:09
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What'll happen is he'll have some explanation of how he did it and then challenge viewers to have a go. Next day people will try it and maybe 1 or 2 of those might get 5 or 6 numbers and they can claim it worked, even though its just coincidence. Ignoring the 99.9% of people who it didn't work for.

TheBoy007 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:11
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The fact he didn't show the numbers before the draw was a big downer for me. I am a big fan though. His physic show is amazing.

paulwilko10 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:12
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Bit touchy Bogey arn't ya

You cant be right as you have not stated it as a "FACT"

You may be right, but just because you say you are, does not mean we have to agree with you

TheBoy007 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:16
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10 minute delay? Then its not live, therefore they couldn't claim it to be.

bogey1 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:17
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I thought if I said 'FACT' then I might get mistaken for a being plaggy gangsta!

My mam always told me that whatever I say is right, and everyone should agree with me - the lying bitch!

bogey1 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:19
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TheBoy007 - i think you will find that most TV progs that are 'live' actually have a 5-10 minute delay before going to 'air' - this is so that can 'cut out' any incidents that they dont want going out on live TV. It's just how TV works

fatharrywhite Posted on 10/09/2009 11:24
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"delay before going to 'air' - this is so that can 'cut out' any incidents"

i'm wondering if you're on a wind up or you actually believe that bollox

bogey1 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:26
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fatharry im wondering if your on a wind up or if you really are so gullible!

Big_Shot Posted on 10/09/2009 11:28
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There have been a few occasions when the Wednesday draw hasn't even been televised. So I don't necessarily think that it MUST be shown live.

leroy Posted on 10/09/2009 11:30
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the pressure sensitive pen idea is a good one, remeber seeing another magician using that somewhere - it has worked though, its all people have been talking about at work

mattyk50 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:30
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at point in the show did he actually PREDICT the numbers.

he just managed to show them very quickly after the draw was made. big wow.

fatharrywhite Posted on 10/09/2009 11:32
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i suppose all the XXXXXX ups on live TV that have been shown on countless episodes of it'll be alright on the night and other similar XXXXXXe programmes were stage managed then

bogey1 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:40
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Fatharry, you watch alrite on the night?? That explains a lot then. Funny fcuk up's on telly arn't cut out for that reason - cos they are funny. And from what I believe a lot of the fcuk up's on that silly program are actually from pre-recorded shows. Anyway im not going to try and explain it anymore, if you want to keep believing in the magic then crack on [^]

gravyboat Posted on 10/09/2009 11:42
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Just going back to the horse racing prediction show he did, I can't really get my head around why people are saying they were disappointed by it.

What exactly did you want to happen at the end, by the way of an explaination? What did you want him to say? "There you go viewers, I am actually psychic and can predict the results of random horse races at will. Aren't I brilliant?"

Really, what kind of outcome would have allayed your disappointment? I

actually thought it was a clever way of showing how most things are achievable with a correct grasp of mathematics.

Away_win Posted on 10/09/2009 11:47
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heres the stills of the balls moving during the filming. this happens when he says "23"

Link: click me now mate

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/09/2009 11:49
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Aye thats the thing gravyboat, he says its a trick, he doesn't pretend to be psychic, how the fook do people feel cheated?

Away_win Posted on 10/09/2009 11:53
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He walks in with a cameraman hand holding camera,cut to second camera,then cut back to camera on a tripod (this is the first real live footage)artificial camera movement is added to give illusion of hand held,
the screen is then split in two, left hand side being pre-recorded with balls visible and un-touched,actually a person walks in and changes the balls, unseen behind split screen,the split screen is turned off and camera zooms in and the balls are correct,
because they've just been changed.

paulwilko10 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:56
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sounds feasable away_Win

Away_win Posted on 10/09/2009 11:56
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yeh i really need to do my work!

borolad259 Posted on 10/09/2009 11:57
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Not saying this is how it's done, but if you asked me to set it up, I'd say it was easy.

You need a motion control rig so that the crap camera-work can be replicated exactly.
Pre-record the whole thing in rehearsal, with shonky camera work.
Then during live broadcast you can split the screen so that the audience is watching the pre-record of the left side of the screen, whilst the balls are in place. He fannies about long enough after ball six to get the balls set, get clear and cut back to full live picture.
Piece of XXXXXX. It could also be done with heat matrices in the work like a laser printer, but my way is easier.

UgoAfro Posted on 10/09/2009 12:21
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So, summing up, Derren Brown is not actually psychic and this was some sort of clever trick. I'd never have guessed that.

It's like Jack Dee talking about David Copperfield flying in his show:

"If he can really fly why doesn't he do it outside? Come on everyone, out to the car park, David's going to fly"


your_mum Posted on 10/09/2009 13:11
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Here's what I think happened:

The balls are covered in a heat sensitive coating. At the back of the room there's a computer-controlled laser. When the numbers are called, the laser burns the numbers onto the balls.

The laser wouldn't be visible unless the camera was in line of site. Laser etching is an off-the-shelf technology these days.


gravyboat Posted on 10/09/2009 13:41
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skiprat Posted on 10/09/2009 13:51
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Yeah it took him a year to either put together a split screen camera or buy a laser etcher.


The_Downing_Wave Posted on 10/09/2009 13:55
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How many times would he have to film it to guarantee 5 out of 6 correct? Excluding all strange outcomes including 6 consecutive numbers etc.

I've heard somewhere around 55,000.

So he films 55,000 combinations during a year knowing that it's highly likely he'll have one somewhere with him having 5 numbers correct, then just slot that pre-filmed bit in at the end. The fact that he had the 6th number too was just down to luck.

Raoul_Duke Posted on 10/09/2009 14:02
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I reckon it was mirrors you know.

On the youtube video, have a look at the bottom left hand corner of the video, just above the cabling as he starts walking over towards the stand. Looks a bit like a mirror to me.

Then when he is holding the card revealing the numbers, a mysterious finger/thumb thing appears above Derren's left hand as he holds the bottom of the card. At about 5:18.

I think he has a fella hid behind the mirrors and arranging the balls. All the best illusions are the simplest, projecting numbers of having self laser etching balls leaves too big a margin for error.

Link: Anyway have a look

Capybara Posted on 10/09/2009 14:11
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[:D] sossage.

feedthetunc Posted on 10/09/2009 14:23
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away win,

that was my thoughts exactly, having it as a split screen will also explain him standing still for the split second after saying "those are your lottery numbers" and walking over to the ones on the stand.

load of bollox if you ask me!

Boro_HP Posted on 10/09/2009 14:26
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Posted by tabsiesteeth

'has his hand over his mouth whislt the balls are been drawn .intresting me thinks' - THIS

Its all misdirection, he has a sensor in his left palm, either responding to him blowing or biting something. His manic nerves, touch his face a lot and rubbing his hair just get you used to the fact that his hand will be near his face in nervous anticipation. You can clearly see his jaw muscles, tense and release in time with the draw.

The whole took me a year, and you can do it at home is also just misdirection to make you believe there is no trickery involved. Wouldnt be surprised if there were fiber optics running up the stand into the balls, as they would appear clear, apart from at the ends.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 10/09/2009 15:30
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Watch a high-quality clip on YouTube, there's a clear moment where the camera jitter stops and the 'split-screen' fades to the arranged balls. The left most ball is then slightly raised... It happens a moment before he moves across to the balls after the draw.

Bandy Posted on 10/09/2009 16:41
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you can see the balls bing switched by the woman who got sawed in half just after the first ball was released live. It's just after the bit where the great soprendo shouts kazzam and then sooty shouts izzy wizzy lets get bizzy.

I love magic me

borolad259 Posted on 10/09/2009 16:56
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Maybeez he influences the big money balls

I've already explained how it's done...or how it could be done easily. If he's spent a year working out what took me two minutes, then he's a pillock.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/09/2009 17:17
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borolad259, thats exactly why his trick won't be something you've worked out in 2 minutes.

Plus the inference is that its took the time to do, not that he's spent a year thinking about it.

Bandy Posted on 10/09/2009 17:18
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why would it be done with a split screen. That is a total cop out with TV viewers. You could do almst anything with Tv cameras. Thats not magic. Could he do what he did with a live audience?

Away_win Posted on 10/09/2009 17:38
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Just to get something straight though

i dont actually believe it was a split screen im just giving a theory and the ball moving adds to that theory. Its more likely to be highly technical mathematical probability something i wouldn't have the first clue about.

But most importantly Derren Brown is an entertainer, not a psychic or magician. He is true value on television in a time where true entertainers are hard to come by. I've seen him live and anybody else that has will agree he is spot on.

Peter Andre, Graham Norton, Dale Winton and all you big brother wannabe entertainers oi lads this is how you do it!

[:O] [ref][^][B)][:D]

spurticus Posted on 10/09/2009 17:40
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Piff paff poof

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 10/09/2009 23:52
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The explanation must be better than camera trick or the whole thing is pointless.

I'm certain it will be more than that

borolad259 Posted on 10/09/2009 23:56
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So if it's any other kind of trick it makes it more valuable somehow? I'm not sure how or why, but I too will be watching (it's what the advertisers want) to find out how he does done something simple to fool us.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 11/09/2009 00:03
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If its just a camera trick then its rubbish

But I've been to see him twice in theatre and there's rarely a simple way to explain how he does each 'trick' or 'stunt'.

He's a very clever man so I'm sure he won't let people down with the explanation

JLinardi Posted on 11/09/2009 00:06
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It will be some impossible maths formula that takes absolutely ages to do involving probability, maybe last nights draw was the only time he could have done it. I cant help wonder why he didnt put a ticket on though, Surely you would?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 11/09/2009 00:11
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I can't imagine he'd be allowed to

Conflict of interests as he had to agree to Camerlot and BBC's strict rules

JLinardi Posted on 11/09/2009 00:17
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Thats what I just thought that he might not have been allowed though. He said at the start that other peoples chances of winning wouldnt be 'harmed'. They announced that nobody had won it anyway so its a roll over on Saturday [^]

JLinardi Posted on 11/09/2009 00:18
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These posts have appeared in the wrong thread [^]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 11/09/2009 00:21
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Suppose we'll all find out tommorow

Some quite good theories on here will be interesting to see who's closest

42Oven Posted on 11/09/2009 09:18
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 11/09/2009 15:00
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Well people tonight is the night we find out

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 11/09/2009 18:58
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Here's the sun explaining their theory

Link: How he did it?

Scrote Posted on 11/09/2009 19:05
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just remember - while you're all glued to the telly he'll be outside nicking your cars

you have been warned!

sossage Posted on 11/09/2009 19:05
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Not since Who shot JR? have I been so excited waiting for a telly program.

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 11/09/2009 20:11
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Im Sky+ it so no one blert out the answer [^]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster Posted on 12/09/2009 13:01
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Were you all convinced then?

For anyone who missed it here is the link...

Link: Derren Brown - How to win the lottery

Doppelganger Posted on 12/09/2009 14:44
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It was just a cheap camera trick.
The side with the balls is a frozen picture, which doesn't go back "live" until the lottery has been drawn, but sadly for Brown his assistant has fcuked up and has left the left-hand side ball slightly raised, ruining the illusion.

borolad259 Posted on 12/09/2009 15:05
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Shhh, there are some on here who want to believe it was something more complicated. Don't ruin christmas for them.

Away_win Posted on 12/09/2009 15:06
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like who u repetitive mong?

borolad259 Posted on 12/09/2009 15:10
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Given that you posted the split screen theory first Away Win, and more than once, you might want to wind your neck in. I wasn't referring to you.

Away_win Posted on 12/09/2009 15:15
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im just asking who?