|Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 31/08/2009 22:49|
Anybody seen this just watched it tonight i don't believe in any religion so watched this with a open mind it really gets your mind working.
Really enjoyed it .
|Link: Ancient aliens|
|attonBORO Posted on 31/08/2009 22:57|
i read all the Von Daniken books when i was a kid, still fasinates me and still cant be explained. why not can people beleive that we were visited and "educated" by some higher intelligence? maybe a spacecraft lost and damaged on route somehwere??interesting
|swordtrombonefish Posted on 31/08/2009 22:59|
You mean educate like "Thou shalt not covet thy distant neighbours spaceship"?
|ThePrisoner Posted on 31/08/2009 23:04|
"i read all the Von Daniken books when i was a kid, still fasinates me and still cant be explained."
I read them. Total XXXXXX that is easily explained. He just deliberately misinterprets archaeological artifacts e.g. The Nazca lines as ancient runways and stone water drainage channels as ancient electrical cable trunking!
Was it him who also re-interpeted Exodus and the wandering in the desert as the Jews being led by some aliens in space-ships?
|attonBORO Posted on 31/08/2009 23:07|
i dont think the Incas had the engineering skills to create such perfect lines...please explain how they did it? They are only visable from about 3000ft up!!
im all ears......
|Fletch Posted on 31/08/2009 23:09|
Your 'all ears'?
You must be the offspring to them f*cking Ancient Aliens...
|red_shamrock Posted on 31/08/2009 23:11|
Any amount of that sort of shoite on here some good vids interesting stuff about Money and the Federal bank, well before it went tits up.
My favourite rubbish is the Illuminati and conspiracies.
|Link: FUN RUBBISH|
|fozzylegend Posted on 31/08/2009 23:12|
still more plausible than the bible though
|attonBORO Posted on 31/08/2009 23:14|
agree fozzy and yet people have been brainwashed into beleiving the bible!!
|red_shamrock Posted on 31/08/2009 23:16|
Exactly Protestants going to Heaven they will believe anything.
|ThePrisoner Posted on 31/08/2009 23:19|
"i dont think the Incas had the engineering skills to create such perfect lines...please explain how they did it? They are only visable from about 3000ft up!!"
The Nazca lines are just surface scrapings in the desert. You can mark out a staight line as long as you like with two stakes and a length of string FFS!
Making large animal shapes is not that hard either. People didn't learn how to scale things up just last week you know.
So what if they are only viewable from a height? They were made for the Gods to look down on (mythical Gods not aliens!)
|red_shamrock Posted on 31/08/2009 23:20|
They lived in blocks of flats, just like Brambles farm.
|Fletch Posted on 31/08/2009 23:21|
|attonBORO Posted on 31/08/2009 23:35|
"The Nazca lines are just surface scrapings in the desert. You can mark out a staight line as long as you like with two stakes and a length of string FFS!
Making large animal shapes is not that hard either. People didn't learn how to scale things up just last week you know"
Its so easy is it? You worked this out in theory and tried it in practice?
600ft wide and some almost 900 ft long!!! You must be a clever man.
|red_shamrock Posted on 31/08/2009 23:41|
|ThePrisoner Posted on 31/08/2009 23:41|
"600ft wide and some almost 900 ft long!!! You must be a clever man."
Once you know the principle, scaling up isn't that difficult. Instead of doing it in inches you do it in feet and yards.
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|attonBORO Posted on 31/08/2009 23:48|
yes theory, but have you done it in practice> i think not poor expalination therefore mate
|Fletch Posted on 01/09/2009 07:06|
What and Ancient Aliens is a 'good' explanation, FFS give your head a shake you f*cking screwball...
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 07:31|
Fletch. its people like you who burned people as witches because they had an alternative view / open mind, give yr head a shake and stop living in the dark ages, anything IS possible, im not saying its the answer, just a possibility
closed minded people eh?
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 07:47|
Fletch, do you know that Earth isnt flat? ha ha open yr eyes...
So it quite beleiveable the God created the earth in 7 days? Amazing that some people beleive it, but they do, it's their beleif as crazy as it sounds! Are you scared to have a different opinion? Probably!!
"Quick, burn the witch...."
|Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 01/09/2009 07:49|
The program does not focus that much on the Nazca lines you really need to watch it.
Some of the things on the program are far more interesting than the Nazca desert and a lot more unexplainable.
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 07:53|
i wish i had seen it M_B_K but im well up with the subject and i think so much is unexplained and i dont have the answers but some of the technology was way above the engineering skills of the time and im not knocking their skills as they were good engineeers in the times in the Inca Kingdom. Is the show available on line?
|Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 01/09/2009 08:01|
I watched it on dvd but it should be available to download on newsgroups or torrents i would of thought .
|Fletch Posted on 01/09/2009 08:34|
So we were visited by ancient aliens and all that was left for us is some giant kiddies drawings in a dessert, why wasn't there anything of real scientific note left by these advanced life forms...
Like a Sinclair Spectrum
Then you screwballs would be more believable.
And for the record when I was younger (and dafter) I have read a number of Erich von Däniken books including his famous Chariots of the Gods and there was a series of articles in Orbis's excellent 12 volume book set called 'The Unexplained' published in the late 70's which I own as a part of my extensive library that various experts ripped this diddy to bits.
Have a look at this article, oh and I still consider you screwballs...
"The term 'ancient astronauts' designates the speculative notion that aliens are responsible for the most ancient civilizations on earth. The most notorious proponent of this idea is Erich von Däniken, author of several popular books on the subject. His Chariots of the Gods? Unsolved Mysteries of the Past, for example, is a sweeping attack on the memories and abilities of ancient peoples. Von Däniken claims that the myths, arts, social organizations, etc., of ancient cultures were introduced by astronauts from another world. He questions not just the capacity for memory, but the capacity for culture and civilization itself, in ancient peoples. Prehistoric humans did not develop their own arts and technologies, but rather were taught art and science by visitors from outer space.
Where is the proof for von Däniken's claims? Some of it was fraudulent. For example, he produced photographs of pottery that he claimed had been found in an archaeological dig. The pottery depicts flying saucers and was said to have been dated from Biblical times. However, investigators from Nova (the fine public-television science program) found the potter who had made the allegedly ancient pots. They confronted von Däniken with evidence of his fraud. His reply was that his deception was justified because some people would only believe if they saw proof ("The Case of the Ancient Astronauts," first aired 3/8/78, done in conjunction with BBC's Horizon and Peter Spry-Leverton)!
However, most of von Däniken's evidence is in the form of specious and fallacious arguments. His data consists mainly of archaeological sites and ancient myths. He begins with the ancient astronaut assumption and then forces all data to fit the idea. For example, in Nazca, Peru, he explains giant animal drawings in the desert as an ancient alien airport. The likelihood that these drawings related to the natives' religion or science is not considered. He also frequently reverts to false dilemma reasoning of the following type: "Either this data is to be explained by assuming these primitive idiots did this themselves or we must accept the more plausible notion that they got help from extremely advanced peoples who must have come from other planets where such technologies as anti-gravity devices had been invented." His devotion to this theory has not dwindled, despite contrary evidence, as is evidenced by still another book on the subject, Arrival of the Gods : Revealing the Alien Landing Sites at Nazca (1998).
There have been many critics of von Däniken's notions, but Ronald Story stands out as the most thorough. Most critics of von Däniken's theory point out that prehistoric peoples were not the helpless, incompetent, forgetful savages he makes them out to be. (They must have at least been intelligent enough to understand the language and teachings of their celestial instructors--no small feat!) It is true that we still do not know how the ancients accomplished some of their more astounding physical and technological feats. We still wonder how the ancient Egyptians raised giant obelisks in the desert and how stone age men and women moved huge cut stones and placed them in position in dolmens and passage graves. We are amazed by the giant carved heads on Easter Island and wonder why they were done, who did them, and why they abandoned the place. We may someday have the answers to our questions, but they are most likely to come from scientific investigation not pseudoscientific speculation. For example, observing contemporary stone age peoples in Papua New Guinea, where huge stones are still found on top of tombs, has taught us how the ancients may have accomplished the same thing with little more than ropes of organic material, wooden levers and shovels, a little ingenuity and a good deal of human strength. Nova's "Secrets of Lost Empires" made no appeal to alien teachers in the attempt to figure out how the ancient Egyptians might have raised a giant obelisk, how the medieval warriors built their catapults and how & why the sculptors of Easter Island did what they did."
|Link: Pile of total cack...|
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 08:39|
i suggest that you start to actually =READ some of yr "extensive" library then instead of just collecting books and putting them on shelves and claiming to be well-read
i mean you just copied-and-pasted that text FFS cant you write something objective yrself?
I mean Jesus didnt exist did he? Its here in proof....its just an opinion OPEN YOUR MIND
"Burn the witch..."
|Link: JESUS DIDNT EXIST|
|Fletch Posted on 01/09/2009 08:43|
Why do you keep going on about religion you screwball, because I also consider that to be total bollix based on the fear of the unknown and the fear of dying...
PS I got that from one of my Viz annuals
PPS I said the quote was a quote and never claimed it to be my thoughts, so where is the problem there?
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 08:45|
you sound like an arse Fletch, VIZ is about the max of your literary level
"Burn the witch"
|colin21 Posted on 01/09/2009 08:46|
What a load of rubbish.
I have been there and seen how they did it.
You can do this at home. Wannna make a straight line, perfect straight, follow these easy steps.
Place a pole in the ground,(doesnt even have to be straight by the way) place another one 50 metres away and another one behind it another 50 meters away, move the third one so that they are in line just using the naked eye, volla you have a straight line, do the same for as long as you want the line for and you have a straight line.
It amazes me what some people believe, the Nasca lines where made for the gods to see not by Gods and not by spacemen, they are also very accurate for predicting the onset of rain, very important for a region that got rain only once a year.
Honestly people will believe anything around here.
|Fletch Posted on 01/09/2009 09:00|
atton, just as a matter of interest how old are you?
And yes I am an ARSE for letting screwballs like you wind me up!
Ask about everbody who knows me, they will tell you I am an arse too. Do all your mates at school think you are a gullible screwball?
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 09:05|
im 43 degree educated and hold a senior position the company i work for, yes i can be an ar5e but no screwball, but im happy to have an OPEN MIND (Key words here) and i might agree or disagree, but i am happy to discuss and not say "Screwball, burn the witch" because i don't agree.
Its how our society and civilisation has moved on since the cavemen.
|Fletch Posted on 01/09/2009 09:08|
A self important SCREWBALL?
How much was your watch?
|number9point5 Posted on 01/09/2009 09:12|
i read Van D's book as a teenager, now proven to be crap enough said.
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 09:21|
ye reply proves yr a knob
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 09:23|
self important not a chance, diff is i work for a living and i bet my bottom dollar yr on on the dole!!
my watch was £50 if it interests you so much
|Fletch Posted on 01/09/2009 09:26|
Make your f*cking mind up am I an arse or a knob, two subjects that you will no doubt be very familiar with?
Listen kidda I'm bored with you now, besides I am not as high up in my company as you are in yours (apparently) and I have I work to do...
That will be all...
See ya, ya great big screwball ya
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 09:28|
go get yr giro
yes im bored with you too
|YOUDOYLE Posted on 01/09/2009 09:31|
watched it last week and its quite intresting
some of its XXXXXX some of its good
the only problem i had with it was when something was unexplainable
the experts who where answering the questions just seemed to say that they just couldnt of done that then offered no alternatives
as for the nazca lines seen a few things about them think its more intresting question on how they sliced the tops of a mountain range leaving no sign of the rubble anyway to make way for the so called runways
(not the nazca lines are they are further down the mountain)
|Ouroboros Posted on 01/09/2009 10:04|
Stop arguing, we're all phooked anyway once Nibiru returns......
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 10:13|
good points fellas, but be careful fckin knobsworth Fletch will be slating you for having an open mind!!!!
|Ouroboros Posted on 01/09/2009 10:59|
That stunned you all, eh?
Cop a load of this, the REAL history of the world!!!!
|Link: And you all thought David Icke was mad!!!|
|zaphod Posted on 01/09/2009 11:03|
Can anyone explain to me how advanced aliens managed to visit the Americas, but didn't teach them how to make a wheel?
I think it's quite insulting & racist to believe that the native people were incapable of developing an impressive civilisation. It reminds me of Europeans' attitudes towards Greater Zimbabwe ("must have been" early white men invading) and the Indus Valley civilisation, which "must have been" developed by invading Aryans because those little brown fellows couldn't possibly have done it on their own (copyright Sir Mortimer Wheeler, I believe).
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 11:11|
no, if you read my reply i said "i wish i had seen it M_B_K but im well up with the subject and i think so much is unexplained and i dont have the answers but some of the technology was way above the engineering skills of the time and im not knocking their skills as they were good engineeers in the times in the Inca Kingdom. Is the show available on line?"
They had good engineers, like the Egytians and other ancient civilisations but i dont think that they were THAT advanced. Just my opinion, unless we can go back in time we'll never really know!
|Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 01/09/2009 11:19|
Everybody is going on about the Nazca lines i suggest if your interested watch the program and then make your mind up.
I am not saying i believe it all just found it quite interesting and got me thinking.
|Electricman Posted on 01/09/2009 11:21|
"a self important Screwball"
Im just in a childish mood as ive just had a giggle to myself ove that comment
|swordtrombonefish Posted on 01/09/2009 11:44|
I watched it last night.....
Pandered to EVD's theories and had four times the number of pro "ancient aliens" as those against, and they appeared to be a theology type and one unknown scientist.
The pro bunch asked questions along the lines of "why was x not y if blah blah" then compounded it with another related question, then [eyes aglow with excitement] made the assumption that this lead to their prognosis being true. Examply, the "Egyptian lightbulb" and "Baghdad Battery".
There were a couple of interesting things in it, the cogged wheel 'computer in a box' and the ancients ability to exactly map the sun and planets in terms of buildings to orbits, before there was global (not local) understanding of the solar system. The map showing the under ice shelf land mass was also interesting.
Otherwise it seemed to me a contrived affair for the pro-alien bunch to espouse their theories, which (having an audience) they did with the typical intent of the fanatic.
|Ouroboros Posted on 01/09/2009 12:05|
Actually, ancient humans were no less clever than modern humans. Why would they not be, our brains have remained unchanged, certainly for the last few thousand years.
It is reckoned that the loss of the Great Library at Alexandria set back human technology by a couple of hundred years. Imagine that, what technological wonders would we have today?
As for lining up buildings, etc, the Egyptians did it by putting a stake in the ground then lining up by eye where a particular star rose on the horizon. Put a stake there. They then watched the star circle and set on the horizon, where by eye they placed another stake. Bisect the triangle, hey presto you have an accurate direction for true North.
|number9point5 Posted on 01/09/2009 12:09|
I think you will find that ancient humans were proberbly just as clever as modern ones,,, after all the City of UR had central heating long before we new how to burn fossil fuels.
|zaphod Posted on 01/09/2009 12:12|
The Romans built dead straight roads from point to point over long distances by lining up posts, so it's obviously possible.
|MY_NAMES_NOBODY Posted on 01/09/2009 12:21|
"The Romans built dead straight roads from point to point over long distances by lining up posts, so it's obviously possible."
Yeah, but it was the Aliens that taught them!
|maca88 Posted on 01/09/2009 13:00|
Without wishing to get drawn into this slanging match one thing I wish to add is this:
"So we were visited by ancient aliens and all that was left for us is some giant kiddies drawings in a dessert, why wasn't there anything of real scientific note left by these advanced life forms..."
Some people theorise that an ancient existence of man (something like atlantis) was given advanced instruction by thses ancient aliens, that they were given technology and basically allowed to skip a lot of evolution. the theory then states that as the tale of atlantis goes they wiped themselves out because they were givven too much power/technology without the proper understanding to cope with it.
This time round (existence of man post atlantis) has now apparently been left clues as opposed to anything concrete to suggest there is more to life than T.V etc and it is up to us to acquire that knowledge so that when we achieve advancement we are ready to use it properly.
before you say anything, yes it does sound like a convienient tale as to why there's no solid evidence, i'm just here spreading the theory, but physisist Nassim Haramein whos unified field theory is currently being peer reviewed believes this.
|attonBORO Posted on 01/09/2009 13:39|
"why wasn't there anything of real scientific note left by these advanced life forms..."
We we're just passing through, warp drive problem need some water and stuff so just dropped yr nice planet> Herewith are all our instructions about our current technology etc. Please return CD when you've finished.
The Crew of Bloopo6 Galactical Survey Unit
2nd Milky Way
|rob_fmttm Posted on 01/09/2009 13:57|
Must say I have helped plot loads of straight lines on the ground with string and three poles. Two at either end and then lining up the middle one by eye.
It is tricky but then again we were going up and down hills and through hedges etc. Not in desert but not over hundreds of miles.
But have plotted straight lines on plans over distances of a several acres through trees and hedges and up and down hills with this simple method. We had no technology and had to plan a grid for an area of several square miles. Despite there being only a couple of us we did it OK.
|MY_NAMES_NOBODY Posted on 01/09/2009 14:45|
Yeah but Rob, have you ever looked in the mirror?...you ARE a f00king Alien!
|zoec Posted on 01/09/2009 14:47|
"What and Ancient Aliens is a 'good' explanation, FFS give your head a shake you f*cking screwball..."
|Space_Face Posted on 01/09/2009 14:47|
I watched one of these programmes - some bloke said 'why do you think there are so many Chinese people - cos they were here first'. Fcuking lunatic.