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BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 00:23
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As per usual everytime a bit of bother goes down at a football match, there is a rush of people to show their "disgust" and "outrage" at the goings on.

Why do anyone of you REALLY care? The answer is you DONT. It was a football match that had nowt to do with us which was the other end of the country. Why care? Do you think somebody is going to come along and pat you on the head for being a "good citizen" because you wagged your finger at those naughty hooligans? Get a grip FFS.

Same as when people clammer to feign their "disgust" when somebody dares to make an unpolitically correct comments. Why do you REALLY care if its not aimed at you? Why so desperate to take offence on behalf of somebody else?

Grow up and shut it with the soppy ramblings. Nobody is going to give you a reward for your gobXXXXXXteries, nobody will give you a prize so get over it.

Footballs a working class game. Full off agression and rivalries, sometimes with an underlying current of hate. Do you know the history between West Ham and Millwall? They HATE each other.

Just stop with the fakery is all.

The way phil thompson was going on via SSN you would of thought the Queen had been shot.

Funghi79 Posted on 26/08/2009 00:31
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And rightfully so... Bother isn't welcome at football, or in society as a whole and anybody that thinks it is needs to give their heads a shake.

shaunb86 Posted on 26/08/2009 00:34
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I am really against violence and especially in football. however...the same is happening every weekend in every city and town centre around the country yet there is hardly any coverage about it?

Funghi79 Posted on 26/08/2009 00:37
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I am not disagreeing that perhaps the media coverage tonight has been disproportionate when compared to bother elsewhere. What I AM saying though is that it really is just to$$ers of the highest order that thinks violence should have any part to play in football.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 00:39
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Im not a hooligan so won't be demanding every stadium at every game is smashed up every week BUT when something like this does happen, why does this army of XXXXXXz suddenyl descend out of nowhere and throw their arms up demanding justice.

It was almost 300 miles way, nothing to do with you so why care?

My point is this fake culture of do goodery is just a load of old toss.

dodger Posted on 26/08/2009 00:40
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Bengali nights.

Funghi79 Posted on 26/08/2009 00:42
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The fact it was 300 miles away is immaterial, its a collective problem that is sadly endemic across all clubs in every league.

It has nothing to do with 'do-goodery' by the way, its the fact that I want the world to be a better place for my children, and grandchildren.

If that means I am partaking in a 'load of old toss' then so be it.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 00:47
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Oh get a grip you hippy.

Its FOOTBALL. These 2 clubs have 100 years of hate between them, not just the football but the communities.

It was on the cards what happened tonight.

Its sadder that some people want to make the world as sterile and as uniformly corpsesque as they can.

Apart from the bloke getting stabbed outside the ground, i dont get at all why people HONESTLY want to be outraged about tonight or similar events.

SirGooner01 Posted on 26/08/2009 00:47
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Phil Thompson was the worst

over hyping it the whole thing and getting hysterical.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 00:49
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I am certain Phil was trying to pluck his pubes under the desk in order to try and squeeze out a few crocodile tears at one point.

leroys_mita Posted on 26/08/2009 00:56
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Good post berwick.

leroys_mita Posted on 26/08/2009 01:01
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I was quite embarassed for Phil big nose and Scott Minto 'think how scared we are in the studio, so imagine what its like for the people who are there'

F_uck me, get a grip, they were talking like it was 9/11, it was some overweight, balding doyles running on the pitch bouncing about throwing their arms up and down, with some pushing and shoving in the crowd, and a bit of a punch up outside the ground, get a grip.

kazza Posted on 26/08/2009 01:05
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agreee with funghi in his first post, no need for it[V]

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 01:08
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Im glad you agree Leroy.

It just annoys me that a lot of people clammer to ACT like their doing the "right thing" over every single issue they can get their liberal claws into. If they were honest and they though there wouldnt be any "social recognition" for taking issue with any minute wrongdoings then they would not partake in their drivelous fake outrage.

Minto was another who just was desperate to portray how deeply "disgusted" he was. "We are scared just being in the studio..." His bottom lip was quivering as well.

Of course Paul Jewell came out with the most new and original statement of the night "These are not real fans".

Give me strength...

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 01:10
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Kazza- can you explain why you took issue with what happened?

Other than you want to look like your being a good girl and doing whats right, what did you PERSONALLY take issue with?

Can you reveal that?

leroys_mita Posted on 26/08/2009 01:11
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"marred by violence" "over shadowed by scenes off the pitch" "the mindless few" such a football hooligan cliche.

dodger Posted on 26/08/2009 01:21
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My sister lives in Surrey Quays.
She was narked because a load of fat , bald ,
old men were scrapping outside the tube and made her miss eastenders.
fair enough.

kazza Posted on 26/08/2009 01:30
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berwickhillsbopper, i am a bloke, just dont like seeing people get hurt, think i will join the frontline

kerouac Posted on 26/08/2009 01:32
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"its the fact that I want the world to be a better place for my children, and grandchildren."

Christ alive man.. It was a bit of bother at a football match, not the advent of the next world war..


BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 01:44
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Sorry for castrating you there kazza. In regards to your reply why do you REALLY care those who got hurt tonight? Apart from the bloke who got stabbed which is way over the line that is.

Those involved in the fighting outside had it all arranged by the sound of it so they opted in to possibly getting hurt and i dont supposed they cared about the risk who why does anyone else? As for inside the ground it was a mixture of fat old bald blokes and snotty nosed chavs dancing around doing the mambo no 5...so why the fuss?

I recall something similar happening at Wigan 2/3 seasons back when we won 1-0 (Viduka) and their fans invaded the pitch. They consisted of 14 year old inbreds fresh from watching football factory and a portly bald gent who liked to show his belly off. I thought it was hilarious but i could hear the tuts and head shakes from certain sections of our fans.

Who cares?

Some people just love to look like they are doing the right thing despite actually having no real right to care. Im sure 50% of the members of this message board locked themselves in their panic rooms when they heard the news tonight...just so they could have a story to tell tomorrow at work.

I can almost head Rob Nichols scribbling his statement condemning the actions at Upton park on behalf of all boro fans as i type.

Will be the main piece of dirge on the site homepage in the morning.

onthemap Posted on 26/08/2009 01:51
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Maybe some of us are genuinely disgusted by this. You were just brought up by parents who were thick.

[^] Glad to help.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 01:59
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What a spakling contribution to the thread.

Thick? I always thought they were quite petite.

I would ask why you claim to be "genuinely disgusted by this" but fear asking you to initiate your own thought process would cause the penile formation on your forehead to explode.

onthemap Posted on 26/08/2009 02:01
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I'd debate, but I may as well talk to a wall. Stick with scum - it suits you.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 02:05
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I don't think you are capable of debate other than the mass kind. Wait till tomorrow when your liberal circle can tell you why your actually outrage whilst your sipping your starbucks and fluffing your beret.

Scum- good film. Surprised you mentioned it without choking on your own bile due to the "outrageous" homophobic and racial content.


onthemap Posted on 26/08/2009 02:07
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No really - you're thick, goodnight.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 02:15
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I like to think of it more as gurth.

Sleep well. Don't forget to kiss your che guevara poster before you go to bed and set your alarm for GMTV in the morning so you can make some notes to tell people why your really upset about those naughty boys down in London.

What a cretin.

captain5 Posted on 26/08/2009 02:29
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It's not as though any people not looking for trouble will have been caught up in it anyway.

Why should it bother other football fans that it would happen to them when they go to these grounds??

It is a known fact that the hooligans don't attack people looking for a fight and if that isn't enough comfort it is also a known fact that 'your own' hooligans will protect you if you do get attacked.

Also, the police and other authorities can now distinguish between the fighters and non-fighters to such a degree that people who don't involve themselves in trouble can go about their own business without any sanctions.

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 08:00
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Can we now call this the SE England disease [;)]??

TBF: from what I saw this was a normal occurance in the Clive Road in the 70s/80s.

There is media hype - there's bigger news atm, much bigger news than a few balding geezers wanting a go at each other.


Piggy Posted on 26/08/2009 08:19
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I wouldnt say I'm outraged, more annoyed. On a selfish note I want less restrictions on my movements when going to football games, not more. Last nights fighting and pitch invasions make a bigger police presence more likely, less chance to drink where we want, more chance of being kept sat on a bus out of town before a game, longer periods sat in the ground after the game etc. And all so that some idiots who see Green Street as their guide to life can indulge themselves and get excited over their 'war stories'.

On a less selfish note, when the fences came down after Hillsborough I have always believed that my part of that particular bargain is that I keep off the pitch. Those that do go on to the pitch, in my opinion, have very short memories.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 08:21
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i just dont agreeing with stabbing and organised crime.

but hey cause it happens all the time lets just laugh it off.

ffs.

Big_Jacks_Sweater Posted on 26/08/2009 08:33
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This is why people speak up. coz if you don't ....

"First they came for the Communists, and I didnít speak up, because I wasnít a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didnít speak up, because I wasnít a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didnít speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 08:35
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is that a song?

i sang it as i read it :o)

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 08:38
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I think the Berwick Hills lad makes some valid points. This was a group of lads who wanted to knock 3 kinds of out of each other, getting hurt is what they expected.

I have not seen the stats yet, I accept people were frightened, but, I am quite confident if that you wanted nothing to do with it you would not be hurt.


I was always of the belief give them an old stadium, no stewards, no police and lock the doors for 3 hours and let them get on with it.

I condone none of it, but calm down.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 08:41
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one eye witness said millwall fans were trying to start fights with anyone at the tube station, on the police presence there toned it down.

that sounds like fans just wanting to start a fight with anyone.

but you be blinkered about it if you must.

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 08:43
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wanted to and didn't?

Jerry_Brown Posted on 26/08/2009 08:45
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I am quite confident if that you wanted nothing to do with it you would not be hurt.

Tell that to the pregnant woman who was nearly hit with a brick.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 08:47
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no no the fighting attemtpted to be started at the tube station however the police presence controlled it.

your point however was that a group of people from either side just wanted to fight each other and if everyone else kept out they'd be fine.

Thats bollox, to be fair.

Manfriday Posted on 26/08/2009 08:47
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Whilst im not particularly bothered if a load of bald geezers want to batter each other, it all effects us in one way or another as piggy points out. They hate each other so its ok? Iran hates iraq, palestine hates israel, pakistan hates india, irish prots hate catholics. Doesnt mean we shouldnt be bothered when they go toe to toe because its miles away...

indestructible_7 Posted on 26/08/2009 08:49
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"apart from the bloke getting stabbed"

Errr, how is this irrelavant? It's like saying "apart from the WTC being flattened by terrorists in planes, why all the outrage about 9/11".

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 08:54
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Hang on, this was West Ham v Millwall, what the hell was a pregnant woman doing there, the police must of known of the level of trouble this game was going to bring. Someone with an ounce of sense should have made it a home supporters only game.

I again condone none of it, would personally have been terrified, and certainly would not have taken a membetr of my family within the M25 boundry.

changingman Posted on 26/08/2009 08:59
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while I don't neccessarily think it was a good thing what went on last night, I do think it was inevitable. The problem I think lies with some people who seem to believe that no

changingman Posted on 26/08/2009 09:01
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while I don't neccessarily think it was a good thing what went on last night, I do think it was inevitable. The problem I think lies with some people who seem to believe that no innocent people would get caught up in it.

edit: first post, XXXXXXed it up

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 09:02
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maybe if it is inevitable, and football doesnt need it, maybe thats a good idea to ban Millwall

changingman Posted on 26/08/2009 09:05
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as far as I had heard apparently Millwall seemed to have calmed things down recently (obviously until last night). Was there any trouble when we played them? Also just wondered if there is a precedent for a English team being thrown out of a domestic competition for crowd trouble?

captain5 Posted on 26/08/2009 09:08
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It's inevitable because there are still idiots who think that it's okay to do things in the name of their football club (yeah, cheers for that), that they wouldn't do elsewhere, unless they're drunk somewhere else.

Which of your family members' movements do you habitually restrict, Blot??

Funghi79 Posted on 26/08/2009 09:17
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BerwickHillsBopper - Resorting to name calling proves your mentality to be honest, I am not a hippy by ant stretch of the imagination.

I am simply pointing out that I would want my family to be able to go to games without the fear of being caught up in mindless violence caused by uneducated pricks who think its ok to go round causing $hit in the name of 'their' team.

Anyone who thinks its acceptable, even to a point, is obviously thick as pig $hit as quite rightly pointed out by Mappy.

If you're happy with the fact that a few people might get clipped at ANY football match, then you really need to get back to school and get yourself an education.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 09:17
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a ban would set a president though

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 09:17
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Violence has shifted or perhaps been controlled in football. However, the way the media in this country hysterically pick up on an isolated predictable incident is pathetic. Violence has shifted from football to society, compare the media reporting of Callum Davenport to this West Ham trouble.

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 09:21
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Good point captain, I am too frightened of the current wife to say no to anything and my lads are old enough to make up their own minds.

It does not mean I would not have slept until they had come back through the door.


But, I watched MFC throughout the 70's 80's and 90's, was frightened a few times but was never hurt.


Holgatewall Posted on 26/08/2009 09:21
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As someone who travelled with Boro in the 70's and 80's I can say I hoped trouble like thisd was a thing of the past.

A little closer to home we had minor disturbances at the Boro V Doncaster game on Saturday.

Probably both events were organised and orchestrated by a minority.

I really don't care if these guys want to kick XXXXXX out of each other. That's their perogative.However, it should be done at a time and place were no inocent member of the public is involved ,when it is brought onto a football pitch at a time when England are campaining to bring the world cup to this country it becomes more disturbing.

Buddy Posted on 26/08/2009 09:23
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"Hang on, this was West Ham v Millwall, what the hell was a pregnant woman doing there"

Come off it blot, that's a bollox attitude and you know it. There will be pregnant women going to football today who weren't born during Italia 90, and most of the aggro was behind us even then. You sound like you're stuck in 1976.

That said, something Danny Baker said last season stuck in my mind. After some trouble between Millwall and Hull the Millwall chief exec trotted out the usual line about "these are not real Millwall fans". Baker's response was "er, I've been around slightly longer than you mate, and I can assure you that every single one of them most certainly is".

I think the point is that perhaps by trying to disown the problem you might never get to the root of it.

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 09:26
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Buddy, thats rubbish, anyone who is not on glue would have kept a pregnant woman miles away from that game. People in this country have a right to make any decision they like, even wrong one's.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 09:27
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aye and maybe we should keep all children away from the game aswell.

ffs... in this day and age!

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 09:28
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OK Raz, you take your kids to the next West Ham v Millwall game and prove a point.

captain5 Posted on 26/08/2009 09:33
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Another thing Blot, is you can't legislate for when and where it will 'kick off'.

I'm sure you know Borough High Street near London Bridge Station. I was there with my girlfriend on a Saturday evening when the pub we were in got smashed up in a fight between Spurs and Millwall fans.

Spurs had played Derby at home and Millwall had played Cheltenham at home.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 09:33
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ahh so you mean only that game. any other is fine?

sound like you are telling all the normal people to stay away so the fighting can get off without a problem. ffs

Buddy Posted on 26/08/2009 09:34
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It's only about 50% anything to do with the match though. As captain said, you seem to suggest that there are people in control of pregnant women who decide what they can and can't do, which seems an odd notion to say the least.

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 09:39
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ffs we live in a very violent country: always have and always will probably. Get real, if we can tackle violence in our society we can tackle violence at any public event. For anyone to think that it is safe to their pregnant wife, toddlers etc etc to a game as fuelled as this fixture must be away with the fairies. Violence can only be tackled by tough measures - but those tough measures never come.

Holgatewall Posted on 26/08/2009 09:39
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Anybody should be able to go anywhere at antime and not have to endure two sets of thugs hell bent on maiming each other.

Why shouldn't people travel on public transport or go to a sporting event just because these morons are hell bent on causing mayhem.

Let these thugs pick a time and a place away from normal civilized people to 'sort it out'.

otto62 Posted on 26/08/2009 09:42
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I think that pregnant woman should be punished to the full extent of the law .... errr ... sorry, she was the one breaking the law wasn't she?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 09:43
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what she was pregnant!?!? ban her!!

boroboyinbath Posted on 26/08/2009 09:57
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Ok, I am fed up with this saintly "you don't get hurt if you do t want in" myth, what a load of rubbish.... here is a collection of things ive seen so called boro hard men do

1. After we beat Bristol city once at ayrsome a gang of around 15 were looking for trouble couldnt find any city fans so stormed the burger king dragged one kid out who was cleaning the windows and beat him in the middle of the streat me and my mate were warned not to intervene or we would be next police turns up and told them not to kill the n****** !

2. Vs Leeds at home walking down the road stopped by a gang where you from- here-where Southwell road- they then attacked me and my mate for being from the wrong side of boro !

3. A few times I have seen small groups of Burberry clad youths and not so youthfull randomly attack isolated groups of anyone who they could find never seem particularly gender or age conscous I've seen them hit old men girls kids etc

in summary they are all animals and should be treated as such the problem is they spoil it for everyone else.

When people are abroard dying for their country and you have idiots on here hero worshiping a few thugs who are ultimatly cowards

I pity you really and your empty hollow lives

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 10:07
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Cause and effect. No point getting irrate over the effect, let's get irrate over the cause. This disease is over 30 years old and we, as a country, still haven't cured it.

Guilty of staing the obvious but no-one is being saintly, more like applying common-sense based on life's expeiences.

oldsmoggie Posted on 26/08/2009 10:15
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I read this thread when it started last night but thought I would let it run before commenting to see how it panned out.
I was baffled as to how anyone could be so stupid as the Berwik Hills Bopper with his idea that as long as a situation does not impact on you in a personal way then you have no right to concern yourself about it .
Then lots of other neandertals agreed with him.
Its a sad indictment of where our society has fallen to (the gutter)when people believe its someones "right" to cause assault and criminal damage as long as its in the name of football. "Millwall and West Ham hate each other so what do you left wing goody two shoes tosers expect"
Berwick this post and your subsequent insults to people who disagreed mark you out as the boards number one idiot, a position that certaily has great competition.
Climb back under your stone.
Any insults you throw back will be much welcomed as it will signify i am 180 degres different to you and thank God for that!!

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 10:24
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I would not take my kids to the Old Maine Rd, why because it was fooking dangerous.

I abore violence, just sometimes in life you have to make decisions, you might not like the decision you have to make but thats the way it is.

Why anyone would take a pregnant woman to that game last night, I have no idea.

Jerry_Brown Posted on 26/08/2009 10:27
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Buddy, thats rubbish, anyone who is not on glue would have kept a pregnant woman miles away from that game.

The inference from the R5 reporter was that she was outside the tube station, and this was around 6.30 - 7.00 when it all kicked off, if you have ever been to Upton Park you will know there are shops and businesses all along there, she may, as well as thousands of others, have been returning from or going home from work.

ZappBrannagan Posted on 26/08/2009 10:27
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It was all a bit embarrassing really. A load of middle aged fat men giving it the big one in between hordes of police officers.

Everyone's a hard man when they are out of punching range aren't they?

bunch of tossers.

oldsmoggie Posted on 26/08/2009 10:29
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But making a decision not to do something because of a dangerous situation is not the same as saying that people shouldnt be allowed to go somewhere because other people are wanting to break the law, is it?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 10:30
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so you are suggesting that some teams have no place in modern football.

Millwall being one of those teams.

and you would condone a ban?

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 10:31
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The_same_as_before: it seems you cannot apply the laws of common sense on here. I am with you. Been around many grounds (and countries) over my lifetime and there are certain places/ countries I would not take wife (even if pregnant) or kids.

People throwing insults around is cowardly and serves very little purpose. Perhaps these people should take their pregant wives to anti-fascist protest when there is a b n p march in the the same area. Then they can be ouraged when their wife gets hurt. Common sense: I am guilty as charged.

Bandy Posted on 26/08/2009 10:33
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Totally agree Berwick Hills Bopper!

great post.

The next week or so will be dedicated to phone ins whereby true colour wearing fans will ring up and describe their horror in detail and how they "feared for their lives". Radio hosts will also speak to "the authorities" about "what can be done to stop this problem". The answer. Fack all.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 10:34
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so going to certain matches is like an 'anti-fascist protest when there is a b n p march in the the same area'


and we are to just ignore it.

ban the team.... ban millwall!

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 10:38
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so going to certain matches is like an 'anti-fascist protest when there is a b n p march in the the same area'

yes! It's called self-preservation and protection.

Never said ignore it: but this feeling of deja vu makes me extremely cynical about our authorities to tackle properly this long term disease.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 10:43
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you are right, this show be expelling a club for the action of their fans.

if a club can get docked points for simply not managing their accounts well enough.

Then this behaviour should see expulsion

boroboyinbath Posted on 26/08/2009 10:43
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Ah the self defeating arguement I was wondering how long it would take. I like the

"if we are going to fight then common sense says you stay away"

So basically you are free to do what you wan but because of that we aren't free to do what we want cirular arguement. At the end of the day this is a problem for a lot of clubs including boro.

But I should be free to take my wife and children anywhere without fear of assualt.

Buddy Posted on 26/08/2009 10:44
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*bangs head on desk*

"Why anyone would take a pregnant woman to that game last night, I have no idea."

Leaving aside whether she was actually going to the game or not, is it not possible she might have "taken" herself? Or are they all still in wheelchairs?

Bandy Posted on 26/08/2009 10:44
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Nowadays I'd feel a lot safer if there were more police instead of clubs cutting costs!

Pasty Posted on 26/08/2009 10:53
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I thought it was hilarious, I was quite gutted Sky sports news didnt give it more coverage

ridsdale Posted on 26/08/2009 10:57
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I wonder if Rod Liddle or any of the celebrity fans got battered?

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 10:59
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Boroboybath: this is not about arguing about the differences in ideals, it boils down to understanding the soceity you live in and minimising risk for yourself, wife and children. This is the way I lead my life. If you want to endanger yourself, family and friends for the sake of freedom that's your call. It wouldn't be mine.

Expulsion of Millwall, West Ham et al would be great for the laws of decisiveness, but I feel it would only srve to shift the problem elsewhere? It is not a football problem - it is a society problem.

Significantly boost the level of punishment for these thugs (inside and outside the ground) - then let's see what the Radio phone-ins, sports ministers etc etc get outraged over next!! Probably the thugs crying as they've been birched.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 10:59
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who the XXXXXX is ron liddle?

Pasty Posted on 26/08/2009 10:59
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I wonder if Cass Penant was there taking on the full Milwall end on his own, XXXXXX

ridsdale Posted on 26/08/2009 11:02
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I thought I saw Russell Brand lay a flying kick on another minor celebrity.

Jerry_Brown Posted on 26/08/2009 11:09
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There was a caller on the R5 phone in after the game, a West Ham fan, named as Daniel Dyer.

zoec Posted on 26/08/2009 11:09
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ď*bangs head on desk*

"Why anyone would take a pregnant woman to that game last night, I have no idea."

Leaving aside whether she was actually going to the game or not, is it not possible she might have "taken" herself? Or are they all still in wheelchairs?Ē

I'll borrow that desk when you've finished with it, Buddy. I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Buddy Posted on 26/08/2009 11:13
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MDF rubbish zoe, I've gone through it already and I now have to have my keyboard on my lap [rle] [;)]

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 11:15
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I will change the subject.

I drive all over, Wogan is my best mate.

If I am on the outside lane and taking over, I can see some lunatic too over a ton behind me, I pull back in.

I could keep taking over, but.


This is the real world, I do not go in the Magnet or The George, or drink in Gilzeans because its not worth the bother.

Buddy Posted on 26/08/2009 11:19
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That's entirely sensible and most of us would agree, but when it gets to the scale of last night it borders on "head in the sand", remembering that the vast majority of those who were there were there to watch a football match, and should be able to do so without becoming "collateral damage".

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 11:20
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There are sound reasons why pregnant women, kids etc should not attend public venues which have the potential of violent flash point.

Besides, she (the pregnant woman) might have been a frontline hooligan, we all know that Upton Park has been a breeding ground for thugs for years.


oldsmoggie Posted on 26/08/2009 11:20
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dont be silly , of course women dont have the right to make their own decisions. Its the same as those of us who want to go to a game with our families without having to witness mindless toerags trying to look clever. Its only these low life that have the right to do what they want. If they want to batter each other than the rest of us should stay at home out of their way, didn't you realise that?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/08/2009 11:22
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'There are sound reasons why pregnant women, kids etc should not attend public venues which have the potential of violent flash point'

christ most public events these days have the potential to spill into violence.

explumber Posted on 26/08/2009 11:26
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I blame Danny Dyer for all of this violence


BoroLewis Posted on 26/08/2009 11:26
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'It was almost 300 miles way, nothing to do with you so why care?'

Berwick - Does this mean that we should live in our own bubble then in Middlesbrough and not comment about anything else that goes on in the world.

oldsmoggie Posted on 26/08/2009 11:28
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ExPlumber I think you were being sarcastic but in reality doesn't the type of film and TV Series he makes just glam up the lifestyle to the neanderthans that watch, so yes he is to blame to an extent.

pierreuk Posted on 26/08/2009 11:41
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Lol some of the utter bollox in this thread is proper laughable.

The fact of the matter is it should concern every football fan, be it 300 miles away or not.

OK I would have said it be common sense not to taken children/pregnant women to last nights game, but at the end of the day it SHOULDNT have to be like that.

Imagine bringing your child up supporting your team, taking him to every game, and breaking his/her heart saying they can't come to watch their now favourite team tonight because there are going to be a bunch of fat bald men throwing a few bottles around and singing aggressively to a tune about bubbles...

Last nights scenes were pathetic, and if you aren't disgusted by it yourself, you're a bit of a tw@ too.

Nearly 40 years on, and has England moved on, has it bollox.

oldsmoggie Posted on 26/08/2009 11:42
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Spot on frenchie

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 11:44
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"OK I would have said it be common sense not to taken children/pregnant women to last nights game, but at the end of the day it SHOULDNT have to be like that."

Totally agree but the facts remain that it still is here - inside grounds and outside grounds. We live in an increasingly violent society but I see very little input from people on here how it should be remedied.

oldsmoggie Posted on 26/08/2009 11:49
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Its obvious, stop the ability for people to have children without having a stable background i.e. stop the benefit culture.
Its lack of discipline at home that breeds the type of low life we all see.

Got to go now its time to sign on!![;)]

Holgatewall Posted on 26/08/2009 11:50
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263- I think it's like drug taking and binge drinking. It is endemic in our society and can't be stopped. It's too ingrained now.

I dont know what the authorities or the clubs can do to eradicate it from our game but i'm sure that taking steps like the Boro did on Saturday by removing the police presence is not the way forward.

I think last night was a big mark against England staging the world cup in future.

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 11:52
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Can I join the this perfect world must on here seem to live in.

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 11:59
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"I think last night was a big mark against England staging the world cup in future."

This is where I agree to some extent with Berwick on the OP. Our media blow this out of proportion, hype the trouble ad neauseum so that they can talk about how the hooligans are to blame for the UK being de-selected as candidates to stage the next games.

Yes it awful last night bla bla bla - but keeps things in context. Anyone going to South Africa next year think it will be a safe haven free of violence and trouble??? The Italians certainly know how to keep a firm lid on things, especially in Rome.

The country needs that money from staging a WC and perhaps that money can help the society as a whole and even hooliganism. Assuming of course and praying that those in authority can make a sensible decision on how best to use the money rather than lining their own pockets.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 12:13
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I was tempted to try and point out to those who are on the opposing view of me that i am not trying to start some rallying call for some kind of hooligan revolution where the leader of the frontline becomes the new pm in a militant coup....but i realised you all know EXACTLY what im trying to say but choose to try and turn what i am saying into something completely different.

My point was aimed at the pathetic half of this country who have become so sanitised and brainwashed that they feel the need to feign emotion in order to look like they are model citizens or something. WHY the hell would you REALLY care about what went on last night if you werent there in any capacity?

The aggro outside was not near you. The chavs jitterbugging on the pitch where not our Riverside turf, we don't have tube stations so why do some people feel the need to pathetically take up the cause on others behalf? That goes for liberal message board warriors, the PC limp wristed do gooders on the street and the overhyped media indcluded.

NOBODY is going to come and give you a squeeze of the cheeks for your fakery so get over it, turn the page and live your OWN lives.

That was my point. I really can not see why so many tossbags in this country love to jump on bandwagons if they see opportunity to be perceived as "doing the right thing". It does not really concern them, it has no impact on their own drab lives so why feign outrage?

On a seperate note, i agree if anyone of a nervous disposition thought they were going to go to Upton Park last night and be able to just sit in their plastic seat all night and clap along to organ music on the PA really have no grip on reality.

If i dive in the North sea then i know im going to get wet.

Not_Smog Posted on 26/08/2009 12:14
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BerwickHillsBopper - you are spot on mate. It was exactly the same as that Russle Brand and Johnathon Ross joke.
Originally 7 people complained about it when it first aired. Then the Daily Mail gets hold of it and its an outrage and disgusting etc.

The same with the racism row on Big Brother a couple of years ago.

The media is constantly waiting for something to be outraged about and when it finds something it blows it totally out of proportion in order to sell what are basically opionion pieces.

Then you get plastic goodie two shoes, liberal freaks comming on message board saying how they feel "let down" and "ashamed" and all that gaff.

It's a total load of XXXXXX the lot of it.


captain5 Posted on 26/08/2009 12:19
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So basically, I'm alright Jack is the way forward.

God help us all.

Thick as fuk.

scooby Posted on 26/08/2009 12:20
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1: Some people are capable of having opinions on things that aren't directly happening to them. Thank god because one thing this country does *not* need is *more* people who only care about themselves.

2: As a football fan, I have been forced to make all manner of concessions and get treated as a second class citizen at football matches due to fighting by people who (according to you) are nothing to do with me. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend it won't affect you but it probably will and the evidence of prior problems proves it will.

The irony of your rant is that if you follow that logic, you could say the same about you.

The_same_as_before Posted on 26/08/2009 12:20
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No Smog, your destroying his arguemnt with right wing verbage.

It ia all about Risk Management, a phrase I thought I would never agree with.

We put locks on doors not to stop people in houses getting out but to people robbing from you.

Brakes are to make cars go faster not slower.

I would not take a pregnant woman to West Ham v Millwall, it is not worth the risk.

captain5 Posted on 26/08/2009 12:24
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And you would stop her walking anywhere within a mile or two of the ground as well??

Would you move the shops that were attacked as well so that they're not in that vicinity??


BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 12:28
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Not_Smog EXACTLY what i am saying.

Its obvious when some sad people see the opportunity to try and grab a bit of power then they do.

When Ross & Brand made that call and some people seen there was the opportunity to make it look as if they were really outraged and possibly get them taken off air then they steamed in by the 1000s. Did anyone actually listen to that call? It was playground banter at its peak. I have heard more salty comments buying a pack of jaffa cakes in Tesco. It was NOTHING, but once people realised they might be able to look like they are affecting the outcome by feigning their disgust then their fingers were deeply in the pie.

I guess when peoples lifes are so sad and empty, if they see the opprtunity to give themselves power, then they jump on it. No matter how void of relevance it is to their own existence.

Posted on 26/08/2009 12:29
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Bopper - as I haven't really addressed your original concerns yet: your point about it all being a distant problem in a far-away city of which we know nothing is, as I suspect you are aware, twaddle, for at least two reasons.

1. We all know there are elements in each and every crowd, football or otherwise, that want a fight. Over the last 20 years it has become less and less acceptable for them to have one, to the point where it's now quite rare.

As we are not dealing with the brightest, most independent-minded members of society, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that, if last night's events are not condemned and severely dealt with, some of them might get the idea that it's OK to have a go again.

We've already seen on this messageboard that there is a new generation who weren't around at the time but have seen Green Street and read the books and now think that it's all part of a sadly lamented terrace culture, and there does also seem to be a remnant of the original problem which fancies another crack before their hips give out.

2. (which sort of leads on from 1) We all go to football. Suggesting that West Ham v Millwall should be fenced off and left to the hooligans would quickly extend to us v Newcastle, Tottenham v Chelsea and anyone v Leeds. And it IS possible to get caught up in it without wanting any involvement, as your comment about not going to that kind of match suggests.

Not_Smog: it is patently NOT like the Brand/Ross affair, for the reasons outlined above. That genuinely affected nobody apart from Brand, who got an entire tour out of it, Ross, who now gets the luxury of not broadcasting live and Saturday mornings off, Sachs, who got a part in Corrie, and Georgina Baillie, who last time I glanced at a tabloid didn't seem too upset either.

Although I do find amusing your correlation between the Daily Mail getting outraged and "goodie two shoes, liberal freaks".

blot - you've sidestepped the question of why you are required to make decisions for women, pregnant or otherwise?

Revol_Tees Posted on 26/08/2009 12:47
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I don't know who bopper claims to speak for but I suspect it isn't the majority of football fans. We have a common interest in not allowing meatheads an opportunity to think they can get away with this at grounds across the country like they used to every week. I couldn't give a f*** what the media says -- it's got to come from football fans ourselves. I think the reluctance of some on here to even condemn it is just as bad as the media's hysterical response, but both are entirely predictable to be honest.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 12:59
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I do not claim to speak for anyone but myself. if you agree with me, as a few seem to do then great. if you don't agree with me then how about putting forward a relevant point as to why?

Nobody has yet managed to actually explain why they actually are REALLY offended by what went down in East London last night.

Who the hell is anyone to try and "change football".

I would suffice to say that many just want to be perceived as they really care. Maybe they think it impresses others in their circle. Other than the fake middle class wannabes sat round their dinner tables eating faitrade turkey drummers and the Southfield road socialites who insist on wearing scarfs and berets in the peak of summer, i do not think anyone REALLY gives a toss.

Holgatewall Posted on 26/08/2009 13:01
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It's been said that it was a 'Distant problem, and we in the Boro shouldn't be concerned.


Ok, I can see your point that it never affected us so we shouldn't worry and get up in arms about it. It only concerned West Ham and Millwall fans ( and any others who were on the tube or in the vicinity of Upton Park Football ground).No need for Boro or any other fans to get annoyed about it.

But what about Heysel? We could say that this only affected Liverpool and Juventus fans.Nothing for anyone else to be concerned about forget about it.

What about Hillsborough? Only concerned Liverpool and to a point Notts Forerst fans.

The point is, in both these cases all fans were made to carry the can for other clubs actions. Heysel got English teams banned from Europe and Hillsborough brough about the Taylor report and we all Know about the changes that brought to the game.

My point is that indirectly all fans are affected by the actions of other fans no matter who the perpertrators are or where these actions take place.


09_dave_09 Posted on 26/08/2009 13:02
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Im really offended because as a football fan i tarred with the same brush as that scum

Buddy Posted on 26/08/2009 13:03
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"if you don't agree with me then how about putting forward a relevant point as to why?

Nobody has yet managed to actually explain why they actually are REALLY offended by what went down in East London last night."

I know my username is missing from my previous post but I didn't realise the whole post was invisible.

Not_Smog Posted on 26/08/2009 13:03
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Boppers point is not purely about football violence. His point is about the mock outrage that our media is just waiting to spew all over us when the smallest event happens.
And the people who then fake their outrage and disgust on forums because their lives are so pathetically empty it gives them something to live for.

Holgatewall Posted on 26/08/2009 13:27
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All that concerns me is the way people who are not interested in the game perceive All FOOTBALL FANS to be looking for trouble.

We all know that the media can create a frenzy over nothing.They'll pick up on the pregnant woman thing and really use it to hammer all fans not just West Ham and Millwall thugs.

Revol_Tees Posted on 26/08/2009 13:36
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"Nobody has yet managed to actually explain why they actually are REALLY offended by what went down in East London last night."

It's only been spelled out a few million times: we don't want meatheads ruining it for everyone. No one should have to go into a football ground seriously fearing for their safety. Who would want to subject their friends, families, kids and themselves to "what was going down in London last night"? For anyone to shrug it off and claim that it's either acceptable or inoffensive is go 20 years backwards. And please let's not trot out the old hooligan fairytale about innocent people not getting caught up in it. We have about four decades worth of evidence to the contrary.

I agree with you about the media reaction.

Jerry_Brown Posted on 26/08/2009 13:37
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And you would stop her walking anywhere within a mile or two of the ground as well??

Would you move the shops that were attacked as well so that they're not in that vicinity??


I'm glad someone can see sense.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 13:37
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Holgate- what are you dribbling about?

Firstly as i already have said i am not making a comment about football violence at all. I am making a comment about the fake offence that the halfwits in this country seem so ready to feign at the first opportunity.

If i WAS making a comment about hooliganism your examples are about 4 galaxy bars short of a selection box.

Heysel- Please do not try and compare the events at Heysel to that teaparty we saw last night.

Hillsborough- What did this have to do with hooliganism? It has been proved poor policing and overcrowding were the factors in this disaster. Crowd trouble never was mentioned.

Go back to reading the the guardian and maybe if you read long enough you can find something else to pretend to be furious about.

I heard Chris Moyles sweared on the radio the other day. Surely you must start a petition to remove him for the sake of radio and mankind?

oldsmoggie Posted on 26/08/2009 13:37
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Buddy I'm really offended because i believe in a society where everyone attempts to treat each other with a degree of respect.
I believe in a society where the law is respected and followed.
I believe in a society where people can go about their lives without being abused or intimidated by low life.
I believe in a society where behaviour such as last night is not excused or tolerated by people on a message board.
Are these enough reasons why I am offended.

Jerry_Brown Posted on 26/08/2009 13:37
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And you would stop her walking anywhere within a mile or two of the ground as well??

Would you move the shops that were attacked as well so that they're not in that vicinity??


I'm glad someone can see sense.

Buddy Posted on 26/08/2009 13:39
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I do think a proper "quote" function would come in handy sometimes....

kermit Posted on 26/08/2009 13:41
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As a football fan it really XXXXXXes me off the way coppers treat you as an away fan, case in point in more recent times are Derby away and Sheff United away.

This is caused by such public events as last night.

Holgatewall Posted on 26/08/2009 13:41
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I'm Not furious about anything by the way.

all i'm doing is answering a thread on a fan site.

My opinion is that the trouble last night will be taken out of context and used by the media to give the normal football fan a bad name as they had in the past.


Also the two situations I have given were not intended to reflecto on hooliganism as such, but how the actions that are seen to take place at a match are used to change the face of football.

Obviously last nights events were not in the same league as the ones I mentioned.

ridsdale Posted on 26/08/2009 13:43
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Ridsdale likes the BHP class perspective on the situation[^]


Middle class moral outrage.

captain5 Posted on 26/08/2009 13:53
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It's not even about moral outrage really, it's just disagreeing with the point that what happened last night doesn't affect other football fans.

If it doesn't affect you, it's because you either don't go to football or you're that sheltered from it that you're not really what the originator of the thread and those who agree with him would call a proper football fan.

Manfriday Posted on 26/08/2009 13:55
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Bopper heres one for you since you seem to be ignoring all the other reasons others have put forward. I am offended by last nights events because its meatheads like that last night that mean i get treat like a criminal for simply attending a football match. Non football people now see ALL football fans as second class citizens and yobs. To say last nights fighting doesnt affect us up north is incredibly short sighted

skiprat Posted on 26/08/2009 13:58
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"and Georgina Baillie, who last time I glanced at a tabloid didn't seem too upset either"

She no gets her norks out on one of the late night Sky channels.

Bopper - You're getting a few things completely mixed up here.

The Jonathan Ross thing WAS ridiculous, that was clearly a case of the public going wild over something that didn't/shouldn't have concerned them at all, unless they directly listened to it and was offended. If they were then that's up to them.

However, if I want to go to a football match I should hope to be allowed to get the train if I wish, get the bus or even walk without having to be cordoned off by Police, only allowed to walk through certain parts of a town etc.

What happened last night does have an effect on all of us football fans. These bell ends last night have no place in the game and more than anything it looked absolutely pathetic. A load of fat 40+ year olds invading the pitch? Grow up you XXXXXXs.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 13:58
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Just caught 5 mins of the ITV news. Presenter announces "The football WORLD condemns the sickening crowd trouble at last nights game". They then proceed to show a clip of a fat bald chap in a striped shirt, JOGGING across the pitch whilst SMILING...oh what a solemn day this must be for the nation.

This is the toss i am talking about. Get a grip.

Hercules Posted on 26/08/2009 14:04
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BerwickHillsBopper has to be one of the slowest posters ever.

Its only been pointed out to him about 50 times how it affects EVERY football fan.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 14:09
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Manfriday- I am not ignoring any replies because there has not been any really.

Other than people are up in arms because they are i have not seen anything to prove my points to be untrue. People want/need/feel they MUST act disgusted over the littlest thing because thats how they want to be perceived. Simple as that.

As for the police backlash against football fans. If you have been going to football long then you should know police detest most sections of the population including football fans. They love taking out their bitterness and bile on anyone they can, thats why they got the job. That however is for a different topic all together.

About 800,000 people go to football every week and i would say less than say maybe a few hundred across the country MAX on any given Saturday are involved in any bother of even the slightest order. Combined with the fact in the last 10 years crowd trouble has been at its lowest point ever YET fans are treated as badly as they ever have been, with as few rights and freedoms as ever then your point about police backlashes is a tad defeated. What happened at WHU will make no difference to the attitudes of the police towards fans.

The point of the thread however was about the shambolic reaction the general public love to partake in at every given opportunity.

09_dave_09 Posted on 26/08/2009 14:12
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He isnt clever enough to understand it? like trying to explain to your dog really.

BerwickHillsBopper Posted on 26/08/2009 14:14
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I think your confusing failure to understand with failure to agree.

Holgatewall Posted on 26/08/2009 14:15
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Berewick Hills Bopper- Doesn't that depend on the social group that a person is in. For example, if someone has never been to a game they are more likely to view all football fans as comtemporaries to those who caused the trouble last night whereas fans who go regularly will know that this is a one off and rarely happens these days.

I was more disappointed than shocked at what happened last night.

The_263 Posted on 26/08/2009 14:24
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Let's face reality. The UK is a pretty snobbish country and football is still regarded as a working class sport played by the nouveau riches and watched primarily by the working classes. Rugby and cricket get a much easier ride. If there is a stick for the media to use to tarnish ENGLISH football then it will exploit it to the hilt. The sight of endomorphic knuckle-draggers on TV - who we know like to associate themselves with football - doesn't surprise me in the slightest - what surprises me is that it was not contained by the authorities.

Manfriday Posted on 26/08/2009 14:30
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No bopper you asked why trouble at a game 300 miles away would effect us up north. Several posters have told you why

Shearersisland Posted on 26/08/2009 14:42
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It's not difficult to understand it it?

My first reaction was 'oh great, even heavier handed policing at the match to look forward to.'


Bren_MFC Posted on 26/08/2009 22:11
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What I don't get was why anybody was surprised by last nights events, blatantly obvious what was going to happen to most people, in reality the media are lapping it up, its a story for them. They'll now move onto the next headline, quickly forgotton.

Not_Smog Posted on 26/08/2009 23:08
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I see this thread still rolling along nicely, people able to come on here and vent their outrage and disgust.

It probably slowed down briefly while X factor was on and the morons were distracted by Simon Cowell's latest cabaret turd.

Now that has finished they can all get back to reading whichever fish n chip wrapper they buy every morning and feeling outraged and disgusted.

It really is pathetic.


sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 26/08/2009 23:29
All This Fake Outrage RE: West Ham Vs Millwall

i think its funny more than anything. fat old blokes and men that cant dance.