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PinkPonce Posted on 13/08/2009 19:40
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a standard 9 to 5 day really XXXXXX me off ...

Doyles ...

PP ... x

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 13/08/2009 19:43
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Couldn`t bear a clock in and out job anymore.

Sometimes do 14 hours, sometimes do 2 hours. ne of the best things about my job is the flexibilty in hours

rebel666 Posted on 13/08/2009 19:44
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im on 12-8 mon-fri [cr][cr]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/08/2009 19:45
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There's more to life than work...

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/08/2009 19:47
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PP - don't agree with you completely on this one. I worked weekends, travelling and being at exhibitions, started my working day long before "official" starting time and finished long after - all unpaid.

And my loyalty and devotion got me what in Feb ? Redundancy.

So I can empathise with those who feel they will give the bare minimum - but work hard during that time.

Suppose circumstances end up forming your judgement.

borobadge Posted on 13/08/2009 19:48
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rodders, your breaching hidden 13 and 19 if youre doing 14 hour shifts !!!


pinky, i was once on a job all of saturday night and when the sunday day shift started i was talking to a guy and asked why he didnt do the night, as the pay-rate was better...

his reply has stuck with me, he said..."Nights mate, are for prostitutes and burglers, and i'm niether !"....

made me chuckle.

NedKat Posted on 13/08/2009 19:49
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Yes there is ! And those people who stay late just to make an impression really get on my tits !!

If there's work that needs doing, and it's time based and important, then get it done. If that means coming in early and staying late, then so be it !

The sad fools who stay late with bugger all to do, they amaze me ! How dull is their life that they have to stay at work when there's so much more they can be doing ?

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 13/08/2009 19:49
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"your breaching hidden 13 and 19 if youre doing 14 hour shifts !!!"

What are 13 and 19?

karla Posted on 13/08/2009 19:51
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I don't have nine to five days but if I did, I wouldn't mind working extra hours when needed providing employers were reasonable when you need to leave early or come in late - it's give and take.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 13/08/2009 19:51
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That`s me karla.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/08/2009 19:52
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Not everyone lives to work, PP [;)]

People living within their means may not need to work more, and if the company needs blokes to work extra they should think about reducing the dole queue.

Are you a management suckarse?



borobadge Posted on 13/08/2009 19:53
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and your a railway engineer, rodder's ! tut tut tut...


briefly, Chief Justice Hidden, made 100 plus reccomendations to the railway industry, 13 and 19 are about work shifts and rest periods...the railway industry took on board and accepted all of the reccomendations....

go on, google it, and impress your 'boss' tomorrow...by the way, hows the norfolk platform jobs progressing ?

sponski2000 Posted on 13/08/2009 19:54
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A lass at our place starts bang on 9 (if she's in on time) and leaves bang on 5. Only interested on putting enough effort in so her workload is minimal with little respect for what others have to do. Very annoying but at the same time thats technically what she's paid to do. Ho hum.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 13/08/2009 19:55
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Sometimes and especially in construction work things can come up that need to be sorted before the next day. Which means the people running the jobs need to stay behind to ensure the job stays on programme.

Can`t just walk away saying "well it`s 5 o`clock I`m off"

NedKat Posted on 13/08/2009 19:57
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Sponski, that's where a good performance measuring system comes into play. Those employees who work hard, and do a good job will obviously be rewarded with a better pay rise than the person who just does their job.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 13/08/2009 19:58
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"briefly, Chief Justice Hidden, made 100 plus reccomendations to the railway industry, 13 and 19 are about work shifts and rest periods...the railway industry took on board and accepted all of the reccomendations..."

Network Rail can legally plan for lads to be out of the house 14 hours. 12 hours work and an hour each way travel. We still work the 12 hour rule but that`s planned. If it`s unplanned then till the jobs done. 19 hours is my longest shift.

Station work in Norfolk have been put back till April for monetary reason. In Halifax this week![DFS]


PinkPonce Posted on 13/08/2009 20:00
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Holgate ... Sorry to hear that ... And I do see what you're saying, but it's not that they are doing as much as physically possible during that 40 hours ... They're going through the motions ...

I don't mind staying back on a night - I always do Monday to Thursday ... In the office at 7:30pm and generally leave at 7:00pm and i'm not sat there for the good of my health Ned, I'm sat there because I want to do my job properly ... and I have plenty to be doing ... In fact I still sometimes send the odd email on my blackberry after 10pm on an evening ... It saves having to worry about it in the morning and keeps me on top of things ...

We had a meeting at 4:30 a few weeks back and one bloke would not shut up about how his hours where until 5pm ... At 5:00 he just âucked off but he hadn't done or provided what he was supposed to do ... ! LoL

PP ... x

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/08/2009 20:01
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Thankfully I'm fortunate enough to work with people who very rarely call into question their dedication, which makes my job far, far easier.

It all counts for very little when all said and done, but I (thankfully) love my job and tend to be a bit of a workaholic at times.

You only get one chance so why not give it 100%?

sponski2000 Posted on 13/08/2009 20:01
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It does to a certain extent Ned but she's not arsed, she's just got a cushy job that isnt too taxing and pays ok for what she needs.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/08/2009 20:04
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PP - they were a shyte company anyway!! Soon got fixed up again.

borobadge Posted on 13/08/2009 20:06
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"Network Rail can legally plan for lads to be out of the house 14 hours. 12 hours work and an hour each way travel. We still work the 12 hour rule but that`s planned. If it`s unplanned then till the jobs done. 19 hours is my longest shift."

if thats what your 'boss' tells you !!!!f.f.s.

b.t.w. many moons ago (pre-hidden) my longest shift was 68 hours, i came home for 24 hours and went back for another 40, on the bounce !!!....but that was real railway working when the idea was to keep the trains running and not look to line the pockets of cowboy private 'engineering' firms....most of whom dont know the difference between the up and the down and london end from country end..and think the railway started with red and green zones, p.t.s. tickets and ciras...

whose financing the anglia work ?

NedKat Posted on 13/08/2009 20:07
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We had a meeting at 4:30 a few weeks back and one bloke would not shut up about how his hours where until 5pm ... At 5:00 he just âucked off but he hadn't done or provided what he was supposed to do ... ! LoL

Was that bloke salaried, or hourly ? If anyone had done that to me, I would have fired that person !!

PinkPonce Posted on 13/08/2009 20:08
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"Are you a management suckarse?"

Not at all ... I take great personal pride in my work, though and that means working in excess of 40 hours every week - with no overtime. If I didn't do this, then I wouldn't be doing the job to the best of my ability.

"Sometimes and especially in construction work things can come up that need to be sorted before the next day. Which means the people running the jobs need to stay behind to ensure the job stays on programme.

Can`t just walk away saying "well it`s 5 o`clock I`m off""

Exactly Rod ... The longest day I've done was on T5 19 Hours ...

PP ... x

PinkPonce Posted on 13/08/2009 20:11
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Ned ... I'm talking salaried people here ... It's obviously different for hourly paid employees ...

... So, we had half the info and the rest of it would then come after 9am [:D][V] ...

Perhaps It's just me ...

PP ... x

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 13/08/2009 20:12
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"if thats what your 'boss' tells you !!!!f.f.s."

We don`t work to it. Network Rail can and do plan their lads to do it. Believe me if you want but it`s fact.

Our budget is from Network rail as far as I know. The fact is Network rail claim for everything back off private "engineering" firms so whenever there are over runs on posessions people can`t afford to wait for shift changes. Keeping trains running absolutely paramount to engineering firms making a profit.

"most of whom dont know the difference between the up and the down and london end from country end..and think the railway started with red and green zones, p.t.s. tickets and ciras..."

Green and red zones?? Yeah what a bad idea. Let`s make a dangerous industry safer.

London End from Country End by you`re showing your age here fella.


Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/08/2009 20:13
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19 hours?

I see your 19 and raise you 28.

Lightweight [;)]

PinkPonce Posted on 13/08/2009 20:15
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How long does your PTS card last for Rodders / BB ... I think mine has ran out now, so is it just a 1 day refresher course to get it renewed or do you have to have the medical and everything again ... ?

PP ... x

NedKat Posted on 13/08/2009 20:17
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Salaried people should never act like that ! You take the good along with the bad and accept it !

I worked as an engineer on HM Submarines, maintaining the computer systems that calculated the equation of how to fire off a missile from a underwater platform, get it into a point in space, then drop off nuclear weapons to ballistically andd accurately fall onto a target.
We had a problem with a certain piece of the computation system that dropped our ability to get those missiles fired by 50%. A serious and unacceptable issue that needed to be troubleshot and repaired asap. Skipper comes down, listens to my report .. then looks at me and says "Chief Ned, fix it, and fix it quick" ... Took me 32 hours to fix that problem, and I only stopped to eat and drink ...

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 13/08/2009 20:19
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It`s 2 years PP but if it runs out you have a few moths just to do the refresher.

If it`s longer then you have to do the hole rigmarole(sp) again

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/08/2009 20:21
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Whoever organised the meeting to run over 5pm needs a boot up their arse [:D]


PinkPonce Posted on 13/08/2009 20:29
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Ah right ... Cheers Rodders, I'd have to do the whole course again in that case ...

PP ... x

Scrote Posted on 13/08/2009 21:17
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what's the point of giving people contracts if you're going to whinge when they stick to them?

if you want someone to work longer hours, pay them more or make sure they know they can take the time off in lieu

different people have different responsibilities/priorities outside of work - if i got to work tomorrow and was told i had to stay 'til 5:30 having already arranged a game of golf for 5:00, with a mate i see once a month, i'd say bugger off

if the meeting was arranged for next week and i had time to re-organise social events and it wasn't going to cause problems then fair enough

are you seriously suggesting people should make no plans outside of work - just in case?

i hate the mentality of people who turn up at 8:00 then leave at 4:00 claiming to be super efficient when they've spent most of the day doing nothing - but that's a different problem...

if you're working for a reasonable company that needs you to be on call outside of hours then that will be part of your contract and you'll be reimbursed for it - otherwise do what you have to do and nothing more otherwise you're working for free - do you really put so little value on your time?

(in certain exceptional circumstances you might need to do extra but this shouldn't be a nightly thing)

clown_nidd Posted on 13/08/2009 22:30
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What you need to do is create a pretend family. Say you have to leave at 5pm to pick up the kids. Problem arises when your boss knows you dont have any depends.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/08/2009 22:35
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People who carry their job hours and responsibilities around with them like a medal of martyrdom, are really not kidding everyone.
Putting in the extra shifts will only in the long term devalue their own position.

Dont work harder...work smarter!


Nero Posted on 13/08/2009 22:42
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Ponce, stop being a pompous tit!

I work 8.30 - 17.00 Monday - Friday and I'll be dammed if I'll work more than that.

I've got a managerial/professional job, but my home life comes before any of that XXXXXX.

As it happens, I worked a couple of hours last night from home, as something needed to complete. However, that is very much out of the ordinary.

StocktonStallion Posted on 13/08/2009 23:36
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Ponce - If you think your efforts are being appreciated then think again. If you cant do what you need to do within your contracted hours then you are either:

a) working to slowly and need a kick up the arse or

b) doing the work of more than 1 man and in that case your employer is taking the pi$$. grow some balls and tell your gaffer you want a raise.

no doubt you are young and full of enhusiasm which will eventually get knocked out of you or you are indeed an @rse kisser.

for the record, 7 weeks of 14hr shifts without a day off on one shutdown.

Timboi Posted on 14/08/2009 04:40
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I'm really not sure what you're talking about PP.

I really don't see what you've got against the 9-5 thing.
On ocasion I have to wrok outside of those hours and get paid OT for doing so and so I bloody well should be. I'm not here for their pleasure.
If I was my own boss then I'd possibly be willing to put the hours in but why do it for someone else? I do my job well enough and don't see the point in working stupid hours to attempt perfection. Non-one's going to appreciate it if I do.

BoroGrecian Posted on 14/08/2009 05:42
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start at 7 work 12 hours to finish at seven. two day shifts two night shifts. No overtime (penalised by my IVA if I do more than one extra shift a month if I do)

simple as.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 07:29
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i prefer them to people who dont work at XXXXXXing all!

jesus some people moan about next to nothing.


'oooo you are going to work are you, may i ask what ours you do?'

'9 - 5!!!! 9 - 5 !!!! i know XXXXXXing hate you now.'

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 08:26
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Timboi ... The people I'm talking about are those who are simply unwilling to put even half an hours work in before 9 or after 5 in order to meet a specific deadline and help get something finished, or provide some information ...

I am not saying that other people should work late because I do - I'm here at 7:30am and 7:00pm out of choice - I'm saying that, when they are unable to provide something that is required, yet leave the office at 5:00pm then that gets right on my nerves ... Even moreso when I actually have to do it myself after hours in order to meet a particular deadline ...

PP ... x

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 08:28
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some people have a life ffs

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 08:30
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They certainly do ... Unfortunately, immitating the boards dýckhead from yester-year doesn't fall into that group ...

PP ... x

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 08:32
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But I AM a dickhead.

idiot.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 08:36
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Don't be too harsh on yourself, Raz ...

PP ... x

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 08:39
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it's ok, you are are much worse and that makes me feel better.

you are an attention seeker, after a day and a bit i can see that.

byes

Piggy Posted on 14/08/2009 08:40
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Would you stay back this afternoon Ponce if they told you that they needed something from you?

If they are local with friends and family, their evenings are probably as precious to them as weekends are to you.


TheBoy007 Posted on 14/08/2009 08:40
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I worked Wickes when i was 17. There was a wiley old salesman there who had seen it all and took no sh!t(also very good at his job). One day the manager said to him, "John we've got a staff meeting at 5 o'clock for an hour tommorrow" John replied "do we get paid for it" Manager "no" John "well you can p!ss off!" Quality.

Personally i wouldn't dream of working over for nothing. Employers already get their pound of flesh. Anyone who works for nothing is naive, an idiot and letting his colleagues down.

redcar_racer Posted on 14/08/2009 08:44
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Did a 45 hours shift in India once.

Signed the permit at 05:30 on the Friday morning, and signed it off at 02:30 Sunday morning...

I had planned for the complete shut down of an existing powerstation so we could conenct our new 400kV switchyard into the old one. Planned for 48 hours, we switched back on in 42 so not bad going. 3 hours was rest of the initial testing before going to bed...

Got nothing for it either, just basic pay, good old Bechtel!!

Dont-Stop-Believing Posted on 14/08/2009 08:46
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i get paid 9 - 5 i work 9-5 thats it !! i get no loyalty from my job - i get treat like sh1t and spoken to like a child - if i have an opinion they ignore it and the same for my other colleagues - why should i give up my time to do extra when things are like that !! i have a job and i work hard when i am here yet that is still not good enough for some people - well b******s to that !!

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/08/2009 08:59
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In my last job you got paid double time for an overtime nightshift (12 hours). People couldn't understand why i regulary turned overtime down. Basically it was because i think there's more to life than work. 48 hours from 8 days was enough for me, i prefer to spend time with my kids than have the extra cash. A few months down the line and the place shut down and we're all made redundant, even the overtime grabbing brown nosers.

Manfriday Posted on 14/08/2009 09:08
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Ponce im sure your multi millionaire company really appreciate you working yourself into an early grave to save them a few bob on paying overtime. My company has just announced we are open next years bank holidays and the pay is single time. Cheers for that

Muttley Posted on 14/08/2009 09:08
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There is nothing sadder than a "Company Man". Stops late, starts early works through his lunch, weekends no problem.

I work whilst they pay me and I stop when the money stops. That's how it works. I'll be flexible and if we have an emergency I'll do the extra to get things sorted but I expect to be paid for it or get the time back as flexi.

I've seen what happens to the Company Men when they are no longer needed. They still "pop in" after they've retired and so on. They're usually dead within a couple of years.

What a waste of a life

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 09:10
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PP - there is a fair bit of naivety in your original post.

I have a job where I can be sent half-way round the world at a moments notice and quite often am. I lose weekends and have to work long hours, none of which I am "paid" for. However, it's give and take, at slack times I might disappear off for a few hours during the week to do stuff with the kids, as long as no-one complains about this, I won't complain either.
I have however worked for someone else (in the same company) who was quite clearly taking the XXXXXX, no give-and-take whatsoever, as a result I told him where to go when he started giving it the "can you fly off to the middle of nowhere tomorrow morning ?". He also had typical brown-nosers working for him that worked 18 hours days and weekends without question, they were simply abused by him.
I have no problem with those that refuse to work long hours over long periods - if those kind of hours need working the company should perhaps employ another person instead of abusing the ones they already have.

The_same_as_before Posted on 14/08/2009 09:10
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I am a strict 9 till 5'er.

I despise work.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 09:13
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to be fair the ponce XXXXXXs about on here most of the day, it's hardly working.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 09:17
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Piggy, that's slightly different though given that I fly home and have flights booked in advance ... Hence I can't really miss a flight ...

On the occasions I have drove down and had to get something finished I've left the office much later than I'd like to for the weekend ...

But also the reason I have that flexibility on a Friday is purely down to the fact that I put it in during the week ... I leave at 2:30 on a Friday compared to those who bugger off at 3:30 ...

PP ... x

The_same_as_before Posted on 14/08/2009 09:19
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Why? no one gives a shoite about you or any staff, it is the way of the world.

Do the minimum and get the maximum.

Manfriday Posted on 14/08/2009 09:24
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So your saying you only work extra hours on the understanding that they are flexable with you on friday afternoons? Whats the difference between that and expecting to be paid for extra time worked? The old saying is, you work to live, not live to work

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 09:25
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Smogontherhine ...

In my earlier post I explained that it's not because I do the hours that I think someone else should ... I'm saying that when there is something to be done, but they decide to leave and in turn, leave it for me to finish that evening ... I'm not talking about give and take - If people work late here they come in a little later the next day, or maybe get a flyer on the Friday - That's no problem ...

I've been up at 4:30am for an early meeting in Stratford and then on the way back to the office to start ... One bloke who goes at 5:00 every night said to me the other week when I was leaving at 2:30pm after a similar Friday "Half day today" ... [:D]

He was lucky I'm a lover and not a fighter ...

PP ... x

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 09:27
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If you are regularly having to spend over an hour extra at work each day, either you or your manager are not managing your wokload efficiently.

FACT!

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 09:30
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Manfriday ... No, not exactly ... I Commute on a Monday morning and leave early on a Friday ... I still, however do 45 hours + on top of this ...

I don't do my minimum 40 hours and then leave ... I do what I need to do and if that means staying until 1am to sort out a Final Account then so be it ...

PP ... x

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 09:31
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to be fair if you're the dumbass who is willing to stay late with no complaints to finish the work off then it is intellegent of the of person to XXXXXX off and leave you to it.

if it isnt your area or you think you are being used you should raise the issue not just do the XXXXXXing work!

Muttley Posted on 14/08/2009 09:32
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If they pay you for 40 hours, they get 40 hours. Anyone who gives 5 hours to the employer every week is a mug.

That's not being flexible, that's bending over and taking it up the arse.

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 09:32
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Ponce - maybe if you spent less time on here talking about personal grooming and handbags you would get to leave earlier...just a thought.

Piggy Posted on 14/08/2009 09:35
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I would suspect that your colleague would see their plans as just as important to them as your flight is to you.

The thing is, you are at the stage of your career where you are trying to impress. Working late, 10pm emails to bosses etc. Thats fine, most of us have done something similar. There comes a point though when most people move away from all that. Some very early (possibly never even getting there at all), some a bit later. Its just a job to them and if someone senior wants them to stay back, they will probably grudgingly do it. If a young lad flapping over his month end info wants them to, then its not quite the same.


PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 09:38
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"If you are regularly having to spend over an hour extra at work each day, either you or your manager are not managing your wokload efficiently"

Rubbish ... How about taking on increased responsibility as a result of previous performance ...

I'm ambitious, I want a good career and I want to be comfortable ... I work hard during the week and enjoy my weekends knowing that I've put a shift in ...

You never know what's around the corner in any walk of life, however I know I am valued by the business and I'm happy to take more responsibility ...

It's not about kissing arses or anything like that - That's just a blinkered view some people have against those with ambitions above there own ...

PP ... x

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 09:44
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LoL ... Piggy, this isn't about Month End, or my particular project related work ...

This isn't about me asking them to stay back and help out ...

This is about people not willing to put a shift in and leaving things to other individuals to do - Not necessarily me ...

Like I've said, I don't do it to impress anybody - Perhaps it's just the mentality with working away ...

PP ... x

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 09:44
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PP - you are being naive again... the best manager I've ever worked for (who is now a senior director in a large bank) hardly ever worked regular long hours and never brown-nosed anybody - he was just bloody good at his job and everyone knew it, he didn't have to go out of his way responding to emails on his BB at 10pm or staying every night at work till 7pm to try and prove something.
On the other hand I know loads of people that did the opposite, exactly like you and got nothing apart from abused.
You've either got it or you haven't, the quality shines through in the end regardless, no amount of brown-nosing can hide it.

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 09:47
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""If you are regularly having to spend over an hour extra at work each day, either you or your manager are not managing your wokload efficiently"

Rubbish ... How about taking on increased responsibility as a result of previous performance ..."

Ponce - I know you are trying to sound intelligent but that statement is absoultely meaningless and irrelevant - what previous performance? and what has that got to do with extra responsibility?

I think you should stay an extra hour tonight and read a book on management instead of FMTTM..

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 09:47
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Spot on SOTR!

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/08/2009 09:48
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If there's one thing i hate its brown nosers. Lets get one thing straight anyone who works for free is a licky @rse brown noser.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 09:49
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if you are often having to all work late, thats bad management and shows you are either managing your work load wrong or you are under staffed.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 09:49
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Smog ... FFS ... Again, this isn't about brown nosing in the slightest ...

I often take phonecalls and emails at 10pm - One of my clients is based overseas and the time difference unfortunately dictates that ... It's not to impress my boss, and I'm not sat in the office to brown nose or "prove" anything ... but sometimes the industry dictates that things can't wait until the morning ...

You simply haven't read a word of what I've posted ...

PP ... x

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 09:51
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[:D] FFS ...

Flar ... You might want to read through your wedding vows from your FIRST marriage again, and understand what they actually mean ...

PP ... x

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 09:52
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"One of my clients is based overseas "

Implies poor time management.

The trick is to be "organised" and "efficient" and arrange calls in the business hours crossover of each jurisdiction (that means country) you work with. That's what everyone else does!

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 09:53
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[:D] ...

"Implies poor time management"

Stop it ... My sides !!

PP ... x

Manfriday Posted on 14/08/2009 09:54
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Ponce why dont you ask your boss for some hired help, even someone parttime, as its obvious by you having to work over your paid hours that you cant cope with the volume of work. Just imagine the satisfaction you will gain knowing you have reduced the unemployment figures by 1 ;)

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 09:55
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"Flar ... You might want to read through your wedding vows from your FIRST marriage again, and understand what they actually mean ..."

That is only slightly less relevant than your last statement.

One thing I hate in the business world are try-hards!

I'd rather work with someone organised who gets their work done in the time they should, than some wannabe who has watched teh apprentice and spends all day spewing out a string of meangingless "management speak" phrases that dont even make sense!

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 09:58
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Manfriday .. LoL ... Funnily enough I've just been taking a new Assistant QS through the ropes a couple of weeks ago ... He's away now but is back in the office on Monday ... But that is beside the point, it's not about workload or being able to cope ... I do it out of choice (Seems like i'm repeating myself here LoL) ... I like to be on top of things, rather than playing catch up ... If that means an hour on a night or replying to emails at 10pm to save doing them in the morning then so be it ... [^]

PP ... x

fatharrywhite Posted on 14/08/2009 09:59
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PP - you remind me of a guy that used to work at my place. Thought he was the big 'I am', boasted about how much money he brought in to the company and what car he had and how hard he worked. Everybody thought he was a complete XXXXXX and were glad to see the back of him when he went (which was after the company wouldnt give him a promotion as they knew what a prick he was).

On totally the other side of the scale there is a guy who did all the same things as that in regard of bringing in money etc.. but he kept it to himself, never mentioned how often he worked late and he went from a research consultant to project director in about 5 years and not one person who he has passed on the way up begrudges him it at all.

You play up to your 'character' quite a bit and i'm sure you exaggerate things to get a rise out of people, but trust me - if you're genuinely like that at work i guarantee at least 95% of people will be calling you a XXXXXX behind your back.

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 10:00
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"rather than playing catch up"

= poor time management...

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 10:01
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PinkPonce if you are playing catch up all the time, then you DO have workload issues.

ffs

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 10:01
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PP - if because of time differences you need to email at 10pm then fine, it goes with the job. If you're responding to emails at that time that can be dealt with the next day then you have problems.

Flar - you hit the nail on the head with Apprentice wannabes. Real talent just does, fake talent just talks.

Piggy Posted on 14/08/2009 10:02
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The thing is Ponce, you spend a lot of time on here. If you really cant do all of your work in 40 hours then you shouldnt be idling your time away on messageboards. Your colleague may very well take the view that he or she does more work between 9 to 5 than others do between 7.30am and 7pm. Stay off the internet and you could go home at the normal time.

I come on here because I can do my job in a lot less time than the core hours at the place I work.

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 10:04
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100% Rhine.

If one of my team was working those hours I would see it as a failing in my part to delegate the right level of work and a failure on their part to manage their time effectively.

I certainly wouldnt see it as a positive.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 10:06
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[:D] ... FFS

Fatharry ... I never mention how good I am at my job or what car I drive etc ...

PP ... x

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 10:07
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sounds like you are XXXXXX at your job if you keep having to work over to keep on top of things.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 10:09
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Right kids ... Batteries going on the Iphone ...

Have a nice weekend ... I might be on later today when I'm in Gordon Ramseys in Terminal 5 ...

PP ... x

zzzzz Posted on 14/08/2009 10:10
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Usually found that those putting the long hours in are the ones that have to try and keep up and/or they have nothing to do with their lives after work.

That being the case they're usually the first ones to get bagged as well.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 10:10
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what a XXXXXX

MarlonD Posted on 14/08/2009 10:12
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No wonder Ponce works long hours when he has to count 1000's of bricks and they won't give him an abacus.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 10:12
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PP says.... "Fatharry ... I never mention how good I am at my job or what car I drive etc ..."

and then....

"Right kids ... Batteries going on the Iphone ... "

I do hope that was irony.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 10:16
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i hope he is stuck in terminal 5, XXXXXXing teach him for being stoopid

Manfriday Posted on 14/08/2009 10:16
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I have got to give you one thing ponce, you certainly stick to your guns in a discussion even when its plain to see your wrong. I dont know how you get any work done during the day when your on here. Im lucky as i have a fairly easy job i can do 1 handed and i read the board on my phone in the other hand. Not sure how you can do any work whilst sat at a pc reading threads all day

zzzzz Posted on 14/08/2009 10:17
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Also found that the ring lickers who only ever talk about work are often given a job to finish just before 5 so they're too busy to bore the t1ts off the lads out on the lash.

sitheman Posted on 14/08/2009 10:17
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Start anytime I want from 7-10 finish anytime I want between 3-6, so long as I do the 8 hours.

Overtime banned at the moment but obv if a job needs doing it needs doing.

SoSmo Posted on 14/08/2009 10:18
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My contracted hours are 9-5. I would guess that my employers felt that 5 days a week at 9-5 would be sufficient to carry out my duties.

As someone else said - work smart.

Anyone continuously working beyond contract hours has one of three problems
a) Work overload - ask for assistance
b) Time management issues
c) They're just not very good at their job

When extra projects come in or I have to get something to print at 4.55pm I'm happy to graft at that, but I plan my day well enough not to have to work bleed into my precious home life.

scooby Posted on 14/08/2009 10:27
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The guy who buggered off probably felt he was being put under pressure by his company to work over when it wasn't getting recognised in his contract.

It's even better for the company if they have staff who will have a go at people who do not work over their proper hours.

Dont-Stop-Believing Posted on 14/08/2009 10:30
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It's not about kissing arses or anything like that - That's just a blinkered view some people have against those with ambitions above there own ...

PP ... x

surely you cannot talk about a blinkered view when you have with this post slagged off everybody that only works for the hours they are paid - double standards me thinks !!

Paul Posted on 14/08/2009 10:45
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My boss hires me for my brain not my life. [^]

Don't get me wrong though, there are times I need to do some overtime to get the job done. I'm on flexi time so I make sure I work my allotted hours for the week! [:D]

I have young kids, so works out well for me...rather spend time with them than a few extra bob!

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 10:55
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So my take on this thread....

PP gives it the usual "big-I-am", gets backed into a corner but refuses to accept he's wrong. Takes the cowards way out of "battery on phone running out" when he's clearly stated he leaves work at 2:30pm on a Friday - no plugs at work then ?

The French have a word for people like PP.... "m'as tu vu" - "have you seen ME"

MarlonD Posted on 14/08/2009 11:03
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Whats French for daft chunt ?

PromotionPush Posted on 14/08/2009 11:57
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SotR Without wanting to stick up for Ponce (because i don't necessarily agree with all he's saying) he did state to you earlier in the thread that he was out of the office at a meeting early, if i've understood that correctly. So its not exactly unreasonable?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 11:59
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he still comes across as a dick you cant manage his work load.

PromotionPush Posted on 14/08/2009 12:13
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R_HWDR maybe so but we all have our own opinions. I don't think its about managing work load or brown nosing but i agree with SotR that maybe he's being a bit naive in thinking that others would do it. he hit the nail on the head when he mentioned working away (although he probably doesn't realise [:D]). I worked away and never flinched at working 12 hour days and it had nothing to do with work load, its a mentality i think. But as soon as I was working back home you knock it on the head.

Ponce always seems to stick to his guns and certainly doesn't shirk an argument and in a sense that's admirable but I can understand why he XXXXXXes people off.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 12:16
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PromotionPush he states he has to work past normal our to keep up to date.

That IS either a work management issue or a work overload issue, which he should highlight with his boss.

By working overtime all the time to keep up he isnt highlighting the work overload problem to bosses, cause maybe all they are seeing is the work getting done.

Sometimes it is the responsible thing to do to say i cant manage all this work.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 14/08/2009 12:24
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PP - you need to build a life for yourself in London (like LisbonLegend has), you can't just live for weekends.

krissyyork Posted on 14/08/2009 12:24
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Ponce. Hope your doing well mate. I crave 9 to 5. Thats why im moving to "Daddy's" work to do that. Currently work shift work on a 6 week rota. Canny plan noot pet!

Roll on every weekend off![^]

PromotionPush Posted on 14/08/2009 12:29
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R_HWRD I know what you are saying but if in his industry he has to spend a lot of time out of the office at meetings (if what he said today is true) or on site etc then the real "work" still needs to be done doesn't it? That is not a time management issue or work overload issue because it comes with the job. It would be easy for me to sit here and criticise him but I don't work in that industry. I do have meetings however and they come with the job. Sometimes it can't be helped.

thehuth Posted on 14/08/2009 12:30
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works will XXXXXX you over if given the chance so why should you do more for them?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 12:33
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he will have set hours in the week he is contracted to.

his contract will be aware that he is out of the office a lot, so the scope of his hours will consider that.

Again if being out of the office is disrupting his work in the office, and by the end of every week he has clocked up more hours than he is contracted to, that is still an issue.

StocktonStallion Posted on 14/08/2009 12:40
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he's a XXXXXXy tw@t who thinks he is the big i am.

even that bird laurie has not defended him on this thread, more than likely because even she thinks he is coming across as a dick.

pp. you know you are a brown noser. stick in there and one day your boss may let you count bolts.

Piggy Posted on 14/08/2009 12:42
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Ponce, your new username 'Promotion Push' is even less well disguised than 'JeffTheChef' was.

Do some work then get a flyer.

PromotionPush Posted on 14/08/2009 12:44
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R_HWDR, just because you might spend 10 hours a week at meetings doesn't mean that the amount of work needing doing reduces by 10 hours worth. You will find that it increases as a result of the meeting outcome in all honesty.

If he then says that he needs help in doing the work, he is actually not doing the minimum required in his contract, if that makes sense. You would still have your "deliverables" on a weekly basis or whatever.

Like i said, its maybe hard to understand if you don't work in that particular industry?

MarlonD Posted on 14/08/2009 12:45
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Piggy's right and we all know you have form for defending yourself via another username.

Quite pathetic really, if you're wrong just admit it and move on.

jam69 Posted on 14/08/2009 12:47
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life is too short for 12 hour working day, i like to keep it to a max of 6 hrs mon-fri, work is the scurge of the drinking classes as oscar once said

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 12:48
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i have random meetings every now and then so not an issue. my wife has meetings all the time and has to be in the office aswell, the work load is split as part of her contract, so it can be managed in accordance with her contracted hours. so she is given so many hours a month to be in meetings and the rest of the hours to do the other work, that is then managed.

if he is going to meetings all week all the time and is then expected to do admin work aswell, it wll affect the quality of the work at the very least.

ExSqueezeMe Posted on 14/08/2009 12:49
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Promotion Push - the wurst disguize since Kiki Dee! lol

mickbrown Posted on 14/08/2009 12:51
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9 to 5?

Balls to that for a game of soldiers

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 12:53
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friends with that laurie is he?

oh right, i'll just leave it then as it's all probably just made up bollox.

UKLL1981 Posted on 14/08/2009 12:54
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Work to live not live to work.

Life is short and once you are gone you don't come back.

I used to be a company man but these days I only do the hours I have to so I have more time to do the things that make life worth living. As long as when I'm at work I give 100% then that's good enough, if the company expects more then they are mismanaged, not efficient or understaffed and they are expecting you to fix their failings.

If you want to work extra hours and help your company out then good for you but don't expect everybody else to do the same.



SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 12:54
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Marlon/Piggy.... unfortunately for PP having a second identity (or third) to defend yourself only really works on message boards... in real-life once you're sussed it's game-over.
PP - you remind me of how my life could have turned out oh so different, when we are in our 20's lots of us start naively getting ideas above our station, some even act on them, ultimately they crash-and-burn - pride before a fall and all that. Others however wise-up quick enough and turn in to well-rounded individuals. I've seen both outcomes, I hope for your sake you choose the latter.

ExSqueezeMe Posted on 14/08/2009 12:58
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I no what u mean m8, a cuple of years ago, maybe too, I was a total idoit!

Its gud when u grow up and reelise b4 its to late!

maybe PP will sometime soon.

thehuth Posted on 14/08/2009 12:59
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the pink ponce tried sending flowers to a girl working at envy once didnt he???

Anybody4abeer Posted on 14/08/2009 13:10
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I know what you mean!

20 more mins for me then i'm on the train with the cans cracked open

Muttley Posted on 14/08/2009 13:12
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An already sad thread, made more cringeworthy by PP coming back with a new identity and thinking no-one would notice!

Oh dear, oh deary deary me... [:D]

PromotionPush Posted on 14/08/2009 13:16
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I didn't realise that understanding a fraction of someones argument meant that you were one and the same. Like I said, very naive to expect it of others and perhaps a little OTT, but the pointless criticism is only because of how he comes across on here.

I won't bother in future.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 13:17
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Hmmm ... Same old ▀ollocks from the usual suspects then eh ...

Promotion ... In a way you are right I do think it's the construction industry and moreso becuase I work away - I actually doubt I'd do quite so many hours if I was back home but then, I always did do the odd half hour here and there when I worked at home ... I do imagine that if I was back inthe NE I'd be away sharpish simply to miss the traffic though ... !

StocktonStallion ... Lauri is at work at the moment but we'll catch up over a nice piece of cheesecake tonight and she can tell me how much she's missed the XXXXXXy XXXXXX this week ... [^]

Dan ... It's a bit different though mate as LL actually lives in London - this is my job and my friends down here are all similar in that they commute ...

And to the doyle who questioned my phone going ... I left the house at 4:30am ... My charger is in my bag and my bag is in my digs ... I'll charge it up in the BA executive lounge if I get chance [^]

Piggy and Marlon ... Grow up you fools ... !

PP ... x

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 13:20
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PP - it was me who mentioned the phone..... this is priceless BTW...

And to the doyle who questioned my phone going ... I left the house at 4:30am ... My charger is in my bag and my bag is in my digs ... I'll charge it up in the BA executive lounge if I get chance

BA Executive Lounge... you've really made it in life there mate. M'as tu vu ?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 13:20
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get back to your lesson!!

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 13:21
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"you've really made it in life there mate"

FFS ... Do you even understand Irony ... ?

PP ... x

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 13:24
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I understand irony a lot better than you it seems, easiest thing in the world to use irony as a cover for boasting - one day you'll spot the obvious.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 13:27
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Rhine ... Give over will you ...

PP ... x

PromotionPush Posted on 14/08/2009 13:27
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"I'll charge it up in the BA executive lounge if I get chance"

And that is the exact reason you get replies like you do ...

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 13:30
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Rhine - The saddest thing about this story (and sad is the word, its actually quite depressing) is that you know that PP will surround himself back in the NE with muppets who actually believe this crap (including probably this Lauric chick) and be blown away with tales of a flash car and the Exec lounge..

That is the main reason I have avoided coming back home to live - the to-ssers up there who, because they wear a tie to work, think they are Terry Leahy!

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 14/08/2009 13:33
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I don't wear a tie for work very often, but I have met Sir Terry Leahy when I did some work for Tesco.

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 13:36
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Lizards - I bet you a pound to a penny that you dont use it as a badge of honour amongst your peers.

Funnily enough, I was thinking about you when I was writing my previous post. You are obviously very successful in your field yet remain very down to earth and personable.

People like PP would learn a lot from you sir.

Miklaadt Posted on 14/08/2009 13:37
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What project are you on PP?

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 13:37
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Flar - spot on, but more than that, its so fooking patronising, I know for certain if I went back to Grangetown giving it the big-I-am I'd get my head kicked in and deservedly so.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 13:37
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I don't always wear a tie to work either lizards ... [^]

PP ... x

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/08/2009 13:38
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yeah you wear a XXXXXXing orange aprin!

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 14/08/2009 13:39
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Most of my friends are uneducated idiots who choose to hang around with me as I'm quite obviously a better person than them, and they realise that hanging around with me can only improve their inadequate lives.

As such I don't think they'd know who Tel (as I call him) was, nor be that bothered.

Right, I'm off to the United Bus executive lounge to plug my pager in.

Piggy Posted on 14/08/2009 13:40
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Ponce, lets just say that if PromotionPush isnt you then he must be using your iPhone when you arent looking. No wonder the battery is flat.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 13:40
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LoL Lizards [:D][^] ...

Mik ... I'm working on a number of projects ...

PP ... x

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 13:42
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Piggy ... I don't understand why you're thinking that ... I absolutely guarantee that is not me ...

PP ... x

Miklaadt Posted on 14/08/2009 13:42
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More than one? Must be all of them in London at the minute then...unless you're working with the dark side, ie concrete industry.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 13:44
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PP - Lizards was being sarcastic not ironic in case you needed clarification.

PinkPonce Posted on 14/08/2009 13:44
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Mik ... Yes all in the London region - mainly airports - and no not involved in concrete ...

PP ... x

flar Posted on 14/08/2009 13:45
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"PP - Lizards was being sarcastic not ironic in case you needed clarification"

LMFAO! I think he did need that somehow!

Towell Posted on 14/08/2009 13:46
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What's your opinion of people who work 8-4 and don't do anything whilst they're there?

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 14/08/2009 13:49
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There's not many who put a space before three ellipses at the end of a sentence, but PinkPonce and PromotionPush do ...

Scrote Posted on 14/08/2009 14:25
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PP - if you are obliged to work longer hours than you are contracted for to catch up then razmond is indeed correct - you either have time-management issues or a workload that is too large

meetings should be taken into account as part of your contract and any extra work that comes out of a meeting should be scheduled properly - don't make promises you can't keep without working for free

if your bosses are giving you too much then speak to them

if you are just swinging the lead (e.g. on here all day) then sort yourself out

if you honestly feel that others aren't pulling their weight then speak to them (and if they don't change take it further with your/their boss)

you do no-one (least of all yourself) any favours by working longer hours to 'get stuff done'

i used to think the same way and i still get annoyed by people who take on responsibility (and money) but don't get stuff done

however, i don't expect people to work through their dinner or stay late at night other than in exceptional circumstances

if people want more from me than hours permit then they have to wait (or negotiate with other people to make them wait)

The_263 Posted on 14/08/2009 14:43
People who are COMPLETELY UNWILLING to do any more than ...

Perhaps if people stopped frequenting this site when they should be getting on with their job a 14 hour day would not be necessary.

clown_nidd Posted on 14/08/2009 15:08
People who are COMPLETELY UNWILLING to do any more than ...

Ok, so lets get down to business.. how much do people earn?

The longer hours you work the chances the less you earn

SoSmo Posted on 14/08/2009 15:14
People who are COMPLETELY UNWILLING to do any more than ...

and tsk - what about the working time directive????

clown_nidd Posted on 14/08/2009 15:20
People who are COMPLETELY UNWILLING to do any more than ...

I think it is a bit sad that someone in their 20s works in London and rarely experiences life down there.Works long hours.Life is passing by. London is great place to social and meet people at that age. Unless you have a family, I don't understand why people go back home every weekend.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 14/08/2009 15:40
People who are COMPLETELY UNWILLING to do any more than ...

Few reasons probably...

PinkPoncettes (hangers-on) in Boro
Big-Fish-Small-Pond
Kingdom of the Blind

...that sort of thing.

mickymacc Posted on 14/08/2009 16:11
People who are COMPLETELY UNWILLING to do any more than ...

I think in the main,PP has got it wrong and I normally like his crack,I do 2x12 hour days,2x12 hour nights and four days off.Every 7 weeks 18 days off.I am expected to attend work (for that is what it is,whatever the nature of it) for training and cover some sickness all paid for up front.If I don't use all my hours they are written off at the end of the year.People can ring me at home if they have an enquiry (and do)otherwise my times my own.[^][^]