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Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 13:37
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Football is finally dead.


Link: BBC Sport

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 07/02/2008 13:38
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Hardly suprised.

Wonder which clubs end up playing abroad, getting paid mega bucks, and which clubs don't?

br14 Posted on 07/02/2008 13:40
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Oh hell. They're copying the US. (NHL,NBA,NFL have all done this).

It's a sad day. Football is truly dead and crass comercialism rules.

The sooner the league splits the better.

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 13:42
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There will be a 39th league game.

20 teams in a hat and clubs drawn out, but the top five will be seeded to give them easier games.

The Premier League will have sold the last remaining parts of its soul if this happens

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 13:42
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"The sooner the league splits the better."

Not going to happen as all the premier league teams have agreed to this idea.

mickbrown Posted on 07/02/2008 13:42
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It'd be bad enough if it was an existing game but to tag on an extra game is fecking madness - how can that possibly be fair?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 07/02/2008 13:44
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Its a worrying sign of the times

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 13:48
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It is wrong on so many levels.

Take this season as an example.

After 38 games Man U and Arsenal finish level on points. The draw is made for the 39th game and Man U draw Derby and Arsenal draw Man City.

Man U have three 'easy' games Vs Derby in the season and Arsenal get a toughy.

I'm embarassed that Boro have agreed to this in any way shape and form.

The_same_as_before Posted on 07/02/2008 13:48
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Don't worry Jeremy Beadle has turned up.

Cecil_J_Mctumshie Posted on 07/02/2008 13:49
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as "atters" said in the link-is it April 1st

irish_boro_supporter Posted on 07/02/2008 13:50
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i heard on radio that cities would bid to host the matches. So the teams get even more money while the smaller clubs struggle even more. The gap between the premier league and championship is just going to become a whole lot bigegr

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 13:54
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but as it is seeded we might end up with one of the big 4

Sniper Posted on 07/02/2008 13:55
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Stop worrying Spoff and go do some work ffs

Capybara Posted on 07/02/2008 13:55
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WHile the standard of English of your typical BBC employee appears to have plummeted alarmingly in recent years, I am prepared to accept that 'agreed to explore a proposal' doesn't mean 'agreed to'. It's still bollox though. Next thing they will be suggesting that the Premier League clubs are exempted from the third round of the Cup to facilitate it.

Uncle_harry Posted on 07/02/2008 14:04
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What a surprise, american models being proposed for the game, top teams 'seeded' this is the thin end of a very big wedge.

It'll be one step closer to a sealed off 'major league'

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 14:06
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"Next thing they will be suggesting that the Premier League clubs are exempted from the third round of the Cup to facilitate it."

Don't be giving them ideas on how to make it work, ffs Capy!!!

longster Posted on 07/02/2008 14:07
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Knew you would be on here ya loon!

Do some work FFS

atomicloonybin Posted on 07/02/2008 14:09
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If it follows the NFL model, they've started playing one - count it - game abroad a year. That's out of 256 regular season games, and eleven post season games.

The problem is of course that one of the teams loses a home game, out of only eight they play a year. So for this to happen, let's hope it's the Man Us, Arsenal etc. who lose their home game rather than the likes of us.

wilkos_perm Posted on 07/02/2008 14:10
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so you could be struggling at the bottom and draw man utd as your extra game?

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 14:12
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Almost 900 comments on 606, and less than 5% are in favour!


Link: BBC 606

atomicloonybin Posted on 07/02/2008 14:15
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Presumably the 5% include Surinder, Delhi, Chuck, Kentucky and Ali, Dubai?

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 14:15
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ALB

it would be an additional game, making the premier league a 39 game season - each sides plays one side three times.

Sniper Posted on 07/02/2008 14:16
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Longster, get your own work done ffs

atomicloonybin Posted on 07/02/2008 14:18
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Yeah, I see that now Spoff, I posted before reading the article. D'oh!

Can you imagine - Boro v Wigan in (say) Florida, playing out a dour 0-0 draw that keeps us both up. That would go down well...!

bear66 Posted on 07/02/2008 14:18
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Is this an April 1 wind-up???????!!!!!!!!!!?????? 5% LIKING THE IDEA THAT IS . . . . who are you???

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 14:20
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Surely they wouldn't do this as the last away game of the season.

1) 95% of fans wouldn't go from England so miss the celebrations or not able to lift the side to avoid relegation.

Also it would mean moving the FA Cup final...

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 14:20
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they could play a boro game in benidorm,amsterdam or tenerife

superstu Posted on 07/02/2008 14:20
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Cant see Gibson liking this one bit after all he's said about foreign players/managers/chairmen. Even if middlesbrough has agreed to discuss it I doubt we'll be one of the clubs to agree to do it.

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 14:22
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Bear, those that like it will either be armchair fans or more likely already living abroad no doubt.

bear66 Posted on 07/02/2008 14:27
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I thought the Premier League giants want to reduce the number of teams to reduce the number of games - so it'll be reduce the number of teams . . . oh . . income gone down, let's have two international games . . . . oh let's just have a European League . . . oh . . let's just have a Worldwide league

Capybara Posted on 07/02/2008 14:33
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'Also it would mean moving the FA Cup final...'

No it wouldn't. I've told you how they can do it. It has everything going for it. The Premiership clubs get a nice trip to somewhere warm in January. The games get played on consecutive days from Third Round Day through to when the replays are the week after next, effectively taking the spotlight off the FA Cup thereby ensuring that not only do lower division clubs lose the chance of drawing a Premiership club but they get even less out of the tournament because everyone is watching how Tottenham Hotspur get on against Newcastle United in the Thai National Stadium. At four in the morning.

Tom_Fun Posted on 07/02/2008 14:34
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Why on earth would they play in Benidorm, Amsterdam or Tenerife?

bangkok_smoggie Posted on 07/02/2008 14:37
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It's a great idea.

People in Thailand (where I live) are obsessed with the Premiership and pay through the nose to watch it on cable. That money gets spent on free-scoring Brazilians by small unglamourous teams punching way above their weight.

So you won't be able to go to Fulham away because they're playing it in Dubai? Well fine because you wouldn't have gone anyway but watched it in the Red Rose courtesy of a live feed from er... Dubai.

Has the penny dropped yet lads? It's not just about you y'know.

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 14:40
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ENGLISH Premier League, ENGLISH Football Clubs.


Tom_Fun Posted on 07/02/2008 14:41
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It's not a great idea at all. It's the English league and it should be played in England. Don't think for a moment they're thinking of doing it for overseas fans. They're doing it primarily to line their own pockets.

markw_21 Posted on 07/02/2008 14:46
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I'm against it, but from a club owner's point of view, it will be a massive money earning opportunity and it's an opportunity to expand the club's fanbase.

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 14:48
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Mark, if we play one of the big four in say, Sydney, how many Aussies would latch onto Boro and how many on to Man U?

bangkok_smoggie Posted on 07/02/2008 14:48
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SPOFF: the last time I looked fewer than 30% of regular starters in the Premiership were English and almost certainly less than half of the stock is owned by Englishmen.

Wake up and smell the coffee. It's a global product, and I'll wager you wouldn't have it any other way.

Tom_Fun Posted on 07/02/2008 14:49
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When people start calling it a 'product' you know it's losing its soul.

markw_21 Posted on 07/02/2008 14:51
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As I said, I don't want it to happen. But, if true and Gibson has agreed to it, that will be one of the reason's behind it. Regardless of who we were to play and what the score would be, we'd still get more fan's.

Piggy Posted on 07/02/2008 14:52
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I like to think that Iím quite open minded about stuff and that Iíll look for the good points in any situation, but I donít like this proposal at all.

My first thought was ĎOh good, it will be like the European trips.í But on reflection, it wont. They only worked because we were playing foreign teams in a competition that we took pride in being involved in. Yes it was a novelty, yes it was great having a reason for visiting all those towns and cities that we were unlikely to have gone to otherwise, but really it was still about watching the Boro play competitive games against teams we donít normally play.

Whats the benefit to us, the Boro fans, in having us play say, Blackburn, in Shanghai?

If I want to go to China, Iíll go. And Iíll look at Terracotta soldiers, go to the horseracing and stuff my face with panda burgers. But I donít want to fly half way around the world to see us play the same clubs as I do in England and in the same completion just so that Man Utd can gain more awareness in the USA.

I can see the benefit for the big clubs, they already do these world jaunts, presumably to sell shirts and stuff. It formalises the trip, giving them legitimate (but not too testing) opposition, allowing them to get earn more and to increase their global brand. And I suppose some football fans living in those cities that stage the games might be interested. Iíd probably go to watch say, Torino v Sienna at the Riverside. But Iím a bit of a sad act, I donít suppose too many others would be there.

If Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool want to earn big money from the USA or the Far East, good luck to them. In fact why donít they agree to play their league matches against each other over there each season. Or even better, why donít they just F*** off to China completely. I wouldnít miss them and their greed.



Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 14:55
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Bangkok_Boro, I hate the way football has gone since the inceptin of the Premier League, and that is the reason I go to very few games.

It is still English clubs in an English league that should be played in England.

If other countries like our 'product' then fine, comeover here or pay for TV rights.

It stops being what it is when it isn't played in this country.

Uncle_harry Posted on 07/02/2008 15:00
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This idea is aimed getting the biggest clubs a bigger fan base. its a step towards the americanization/globalization of club football. A 'major' league, sealed off from other clubs,no promotion, going for global tv coverage & mechandizing - the future of English football will be decided by a handful of Yanks and russians in a hotel in L.A - The fans & most of the clubs and the governing bodies will have fook all say in it.

if it stays english clubs and not the g 19 or however many they are now It may be that Middlesbrough will make the cut and be one of the teams making up the numbers - That might be very nice but its got nowt to do with the sport I follow and I'll spend every other saturday at Billingham Synthonia

TheSmogMonster Posted on 07/02/2008 15:01
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Bangkok_Boro the fact that the league isn't how we want it isn't an excuse for making the situation worse!

Its not a fooking product its a game, the fact that anyone talks about it in those terms shows that its no longer for us fans.

I'm well annoyed not just about the commercialization of the game but that the method chosen is grossly unfair! How can any club in their right mind agree to this?

Spoff Posted on 07/02/2008 15:03
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Uncle_Harry, my local side is Ossett Town and over the last ten years I bet I have been to at least twice as many games there as I have Boro.

It is a reminder of what football is meant to be, every team has a chance of competing unlike the highest league in this country.


Rochey Posted on 07/02/2008 15:04
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R.I.P Football.

bangkok_smoggie Posted on 07/02/2008 15:06
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Fine, Piggy, but look at it another way. Suppose Boro adopted Shanghai for instance as their 'twin town' and played there once a year. Suddenly millions of chinese love the Boro, buy Boro shirts, visit the town. And they will - the connection would be considered an honour. Devotion to a western ideal knows no limits over here. Believe me, I've met plenty of Thais who avidly show you thier photos of when they visited Stamford Bridge (in July, it didn't matter!)
And Tom Fun: I think you'll find people have been calling it a product for a while. In the context of this debate, that's what it is. It's also a game - the appreciation of which isn't confined to pink-faced men.

Uncle_harry Posted on 07/02/2008 15:09
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and that Spoff is the only power we've really got - the power of the consumer - give your cash to Ossett Town or Norton & Stockton or who ever, this 'product' that we are being told is a 'business' is only really the 'business' of people who work hard all week going to see some l;ads representing their local area competing in sporting competition with another set of lads. I've not lost sight of that - these big teams have franchises and Man U gets based in New York I for one wont give a fook

scuzzmonster Posted on 07/02/2008 15:11
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'So you won't be able to go to Fulham away because they're playing it in Dubai? Well fine because you wouldn't have gone anyway but watched it in the Red Rose courtesy of a live feed from er... Dubai.

Has the penny dropped yet lads? It's not just about you y'know.'

Damn tootin', bangkok_smoggie. So how's that going to work for the Fulham faithful?

Revol_Tees Posted on 07/02/2008 15:11
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Whatever happens, the Super Fans will continue to fork out hundreds of quid on season tickets to partially bankroll this charade (and I'm talking about Boro fans too), and will no doubt continue to slate people who don't for being disloyal, part-timers etc.

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 15:13
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"the future of English football will be decided by a handful of Yanks and russians in a hotel in L.A - The fans & most of the clubs and the governing bodies will have fook all say in it."

Apparently all the premier league clubs have agreed to looking into this playuing abroad situation. So it's not just isolated to the big 4 or the foreign owners

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 15:17
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if we had signed a decent korean striker who could have used korea as our other stadium. if this goes ahead i expect a few team out of the top 4 to go and sign a shirt selling striker from another country. maybe we will look to sign a top chinese player next.

Uncle_harry Posted on 07/02/2008 15:27
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I know most of them have Sas, what i can foresee is when there is a suffiecient number of Glazer/Abramovic type owners, they will decide exactly where when and how the game is ran - they will protect their cash ( because thats all their interested in by sealing off the top division - the likes of Gibson will be under lots of pressure to join in simply from a logical point of view - it will appeal top the minds of the current owners if not their hearts. If there was a vote now in the premier league to break away - the top clubs would say yes if it increased revenue - the bottom clubs like Sunderland would say yes because they'd stop being yoyo clubs- and the ones in the middle would go with the flow. From a business point of view its perfectly logical - from the point of view of a bloke who enjoys watching sporting competitions I'll go and watch Synners instead

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 15:30
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Would be interested to hear gibson's opinion on this and why he isnt against it. Same for about 50% of the teams too.

bangkok_smoggie Posted on 07/02/2008 15:30
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Is the chinese or thai or saudi football fan any less of a football fan because he can't get to see the games live? Does he love his team less? Hardly, I feel.

why not be charitable eh? What's one game a season?

The fact is, I would've been arguing exactly the same as you guys before I emigrated here 8 months ago, but I see it differently now because, apart from their King, thais have no greater loyalty than that which they feel for the English football 'product'. It's a fantastic idea and one that they could do in the depths of winter when a lot of Boro lads might well take the opportunity to do a bit of sightseeing in Bangkok. Have half a dozen Prem games over here in a week and make it a mini-festival type thing. No harm done, you can still watch it on the box in the UK - the players'd love it etc.

Imagine 30,000 little yellow blokes chanting Boro songs they'd learnt from the internet. Don't tell me it wouldn't make you smile. Open your minds and your hearts Gents: English football will endure, I'll warrant.

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 15:31
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I posted this on the other thread ...

20 teams (5 seeded) playing 10 matches at 5 venues over a weekend, ergo 1 seeded team per venue

As long as the seeding is earned through the previous season's league finish and the draws for the other non-seeded teams are random, it might not be such a bad idea afterall.

It may not be entirely fair but, like it or not, the game today is global and it's all about entertainment and £££

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 15:34
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Personally, I like the idea that Middlesbrough is now recognized globally. Ten years ago, seldom did I meet anyone who'd even heard of the place.

Tom_Fun Posted on 07/02/2008 15:34
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Bangkok_smoggie if they love their football so much why don't they watch the leagues in their own country?

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 15:38
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"Is the chinese or thai or saudi football fan any less of a football fan because he can't get to see the games live? Does he love his team less?"

Yes, how can they feel the same way about Middlesbrough FC as the average Boro lad who lives in Middlesbrough, works in Middlesbrough, with Middlesbrough people, and does so that he can afford to go and watch his team on a weekend. He is absorbed in Middlesbrough FC. Its a way of life, not something to watch when Takeshi's castle is on a break.

This is MIDDLESBROUGH FOOBALL CLUB. A club I thought was ran by Middlesbrough people for the people of Middlesbrough. How does playing an extra game 10,000 miles away benefit Middlesbrough fans, many of whom simply cannot afford a 4 day break to Australia/Thailand/China straight after Christmas.

I can't believe Steve Gibson would agree to this.

mickbrown Posted on 07/02/2008 15:38
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FFS - once you go away from every team plays every other team twice, home and away it is no longer a league. Makes a mockery.

Next step is just have 38 random games every season, drawn the week before.

It's a bollox idea and if that upset somes Thai United fans, tough shyte.


Revol_Tees Posted on 07/02/2008 15:39
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sasboro is right: most of the clubs and the governing bodies, far from having fook all say in it, seem content to go along with it, just as they always have done. People should understand that the guilty men are the chairman who make up the Premier League (all of them) together with the faceless bureaucrats whom, despite their differences, have always fought together for the right to be totally unaccountable to anyone but themselves.

Uncle_harry Posted on 07/02/2008 15:40
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I dont mind the 'game' being about cash and entertainmnet - as long as its still a game - ie a sporting competition. When its no longer possible for english town teams to climb the ladder like wigan have done then it's got nothing to do with a game anymore

And thyere's still plenty of good competetive football to be seen outside the premiership - the Northern league for a kick off

superstu Posted on 07/02/2008 15:43
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Blain87 i agree totally, no way does anybody who has CHOSEN their club feel the same connection as a football fan supporting their local club because its local.

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 15:48
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"How does playing an extra game 10,000 miles away benefit Middlesbrough fans, many of whom simply cannot afford a 4 day break to Australia/Thailand/China straight after Christmas"

£££ £££ £££!!! For better players or whatever. Nobody says you boro people have to go anywhere. Get over it! Share the wealth, one game in 39 ain't much to give up! With the embarrassing abundance of all those red seats, I'll bet a lot of you moaners watch them on the SAT at the pub anyway.

"I can't believe Steve Gibson would agree to this"

See above.



bangkok_smoggie Posted on 07/02/2008 15:51
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Are you more of a Boro fan than me then Blain, because I happen to have a met a Thai girl who then fell pregnant and returned to her country, where I hence decided to emigrate to in order that I could help raise my child?

If anything I'm more obsessed with the Boro the further i move away from it. Following a football team is a wholly irrational pastime. You may think that it's all to do with a geographical identity but it really isn't. Look at James Bassett, the very excellent comeonboro columnist (AKA Snoop Dogg). He has no connection with Boro at all I believe: just decided to support them out of a cussed streak. He lives in London but goes away, contributes to the Boro culture...

Like I pointed out in my original post: the 'benefit to Boro fans' (from the global interest) is that they can afford to buy e.g. Alves.

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 15:55
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They can keep their money and we'll keep our souls.

We only compete with PL clubs for players anyway. All these clubs would have the same or more of a revenue increase from these games. Boro would benefit least of all the clubs in the PL as we are the least fashionable and would be sold to a city for a lot less than Man U or Spurs. So in real terms we would be worse off in the transfer market. The people who benefit would be Abramovich and Glazer.

I expect Gibson to stand up for whats right come decision time.

Kilburn Posted on 07/02/2008 15:57
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It is a horrible money-grabbing idea, that shows just how little respect the Premier League have for fans and for british football.

If it were to go ahead, it should be Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea home games to be played abroad, because contrary to bangkok_smoggie's wishful thinking the 30,000 Thais or whoever wouldn't be supporting the likes of Boro in these games, so the atmosphere would be like a hostile away game for whoever was playing against the "glamour club".

boro74 Posted on 07/02/2008 15:58
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Maybe if they make a lot of money out of this, then they might cut the cost of season tickets. Then the home fans will get something out of it as well!

NO?

I don't think so either...

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 15:58
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No I am no more of a fan than you bangkok. I take it you were around the club long before I was born. You will have grown up with Boro around your dad and grandad who supported Boro. Everywhere you went people talked about Boro. You became part of it.

You and I love Boro in a way that is incomprehensible to a Thai family who only know football through their TV screens.

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 15:59
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Well at least more money for the club to spend or keep as it wishes then.

"I expect Gibson to stand up for whats right come decision time"

My bet is that Gibbo's ambition for the success of the club will rule out. Won't be swayed at all by pub watching moaners.

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 16:00
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Blain87, why dont you write and complain to gibson? Seems like you disagree with gibson that this is a bad idea for mfc. I reckon gibson thinks it is a good idea

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 16:01
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As I understand it there would have to be agreement from all 20 PL chairmen.

So if Gibson did not agree the idea would have to be scrapped, therefore we woudl not get left behind if we did not agree to it.

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 16:02
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sasboro1, you think it would make a difference?

Why do you think Gibson thinks its a good idea though? so far there is only an agreement to discuss it.

ThePrisoner Posted on 07/02/2008 16:03
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There are no words in the English language to express my outrage at this idea.

As for you bangkok_smog, just shut up and go and support Phuket City.

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 16:04
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Wake up! We'd be blackballed back to DIV 2 if we were the ONLY dissenter.

superstu Posted on 07/02/2008 16:04
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Sasboro1 what you on about you reckon Gibson thinks its a good idea? what makes you think that? just kos the club have agreed to discuss it? well we're discussing it now and I DONT think its a good idea. Truth is none of us know what Gibson thinks on it. But id imagine its similar to his voiced opinions on foreign players, foreign managers, foreign chairmen, and clubs "selling their souls".

guyb Posted on 07/02/2008 16:05
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The end of modern football as we know it. The thin end of a wedge involving franchises, invitation only leagues, guest players etc.

A sad day if this comes to pass. The Government and the FA should tell the EPL where to get off but won't.

neilg Posted on 07/02/2008 16:05
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yeah----our game would be schedueled for a drilling platform in the ekofisk oilfield in the north sea!!! wot a daft idea.

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 16:06
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We would not be blackballed to Div 2. Don't all new PL rules have to be agreed by all clubs? I don't believe we would be the only club either.

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 16:08
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All I can say is the number of dated and narrow-minded views on this thread is appalling. Thank God, Gibbo's running the show!

Revol_Tees Posted on 07/02/2008 16:09
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Gibson probably hates the idea, but that's irrelevant. Hating the idea and dissenting from it are two completely different things, and if enough of the Premier League were in favour -- particularly the big hitters -- then I think they could twist a few arms and make enough compromises to go ahead. That's how deals are made: that's how the PL itself was formed. It's power politics and no one wants to be isolated.

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 16:09
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In Gibbo we trust.

sweep! Posted on 07/02/2008 16:10
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100% against this, what if a team fighting relegation was drawn against man u or arsenal? how is this fair?

the only clubs that will like this idea will be the top 4 they will get richer and the rest will become further adrift.

disgraceful!

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 16:13
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"Sasboro1 what you on about you reckon Gibson thinks its a good idea? what makes you think that?"

Because all the clubs have agreed to look into it. Surely if he or any other similar clubs didnt like the idea they would not agree to look into it.

Gibson is a great chairman but take the blinkers off sometimes as he is just a football chairman

"In Gibbo we trust."

so blaine, are you for or against this thing and gibson?

kermit Posted on 07/02/2008 16:13
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I can't see this going ahead, the amount of backlash this would cause would be immense.

Footys already half down the swanny as it is.

mickbrown Posted on 07/02/2008 16:14
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Anyway - bit of good news.

Gimme Shelter has just come up on shuffle.

Oh aye!!

guisBOROugh Posted on 07/02/2008 16:24
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Bangkok smoggie- I can understand where your point of view is coming from, but if they want to cash in on foreign viewing, why not make it so each team has to do this as part of preseason friendlies and not interfere with the leauge.

IMO football is beyond repair anyway, but it seems that the top dogs just want to make more and more money out of the demise of the sport rather than trying to appease the majority of the fans.

If i wanted to move abroad, and some day i may do, I wouldnt expect to see the Boro playing in my new country. If I wanted to watch football I would find a local team or watch it on the gogglebox.

At the end of the day, the more money that keeps coming into this game, it is going to cost us, the fans, more and more and more.

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 16:26
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"but if they want to cash in on foreign viewing, why not make it so each team has to do this as part of preseason friendlies and not interfere with the leauge."

I guess they can charge more if it is a competitive game and part of the premier league brand

guisBOROugh Posted on 07/02/2008 16:29
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Sorry sas I kind of worded that wrong, but you proved my point. They only want more money, they arent interested in what overseas football fans want.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 07/02/2008 16:37
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The "what if you are battling relegation and your team gets drawn against Man U?" scenario won't happen.

As "luck" would have it, Man U would draw Liverpool in the Far East; strangely, Arsenal would draw Chelsea; Spurs Man City etc.

We would have Bolton or Reading to be played in Nepal.

The top teams will get extra millions, we will get our flights paid for and £50 for our troubles.

An utter load-of-bollox idea if there ever was one.

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 17:26
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"I can't see this going ahead, the amount of backlash this would cause would be immense"

You mean there'd be even more red seats [:O]


"Footys already half down the swanny as it is"

On a global basis it ain't!


OPEO Posted on 07/02/2008 18:20
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It's those Grrrrreat big shoulder pads I don't like!

littlejimmy Posted on 07/02/2008 18:54
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That wouldn't happen, HMB. The report says they will seed the top 5 and keep them apart, which essentially favours the big teams.

Kilburn is spot on. If anyone thinks Boro will have any support in foreign cities, they're deluding themselves. The big 4 will have massive support. I've worked in the Far East myself, and the only shirts I saw being worn by locals were Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.

So it's basically bollox and an utter disgrace if it goes ahead. The final nail in the coffin for the top-flight game. We need to mobilise and march on the FA headquarters to show our disdain for it. Or even better, get all PL fans to refuse to show at a game for one weekend. That would send a very clear message. They don't want the fans there unless they can be milked for every last penny, and it makes me sick.

Boromart Posted on 07/02/2008 18:54
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if they are gonna do something abroad then a pre-season premierleague cup would be better. Send the top 16 teams to play a knockout cup

Round 1 (8 games)...
1st vs 16th
2nd vs 15th
3rd vs 14th etc.
(Saturday & Sunday, staggered kickoffs).

Round 2 4 games (Tuesday & Wed)
Semi-final 2 games (Saturady)
Then the final (Saturday)

The whole thing could be done over two weeks, instead of all the silly pre-season games. Local league sides could be on standby to play the losing teams.

Total games 15. Loads of money in that, it promotes the prem, and doesn't interfere with the league!

I can't see a problem with that format....except manure, arse etc. complaining that it interferes with THEIR scheduled far east tours.

littlejimmy Posted on 07/02/2008 18:56
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I said something similar on B17, BM. That isn't a bad idea compared to the one being proposed.

BoroInNC Posted on 07/02/2008 18:58
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My attitude is a bit split on this.

If the Arses or ManUres want to get flown out for an Away Day Classic in Beijing or Sydney or New Jersey, then it's no skin off my nose.

The idea of ending the balanced season, though, is poison to the league. That 39th match is a stalking-horse for an American-style unbalanced season and playoffs. The big clubs (and the ones who think they're big, like the skunks) would love a system where they chuff on the smaller clubs for half the year then wank it out between them for the last two or three months. Scudamore's talking out of the side of his mouth about different standards of fairness. You play every other team home and away. That's simple, you can explain it to someone in half a minute. It should be uncontroversial, unless you're looking down on the bottom two-thirds of the league.

Tom_Fun Posted on 07/02/2008 19:06
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That's a better idea than the one proposed boromart, but there still shouldn't be any competitive games between English clubs played abroad, except European finals.

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 19:08
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"The report says they will seed the top 5 and keep them apart, which essentially favours the big teams."

not at all. if it favoured the big teams they would make sure they play each other. They probably are making it seeded so they can generate more money over all by keepign them apart. this will keep the rest of the clubs happy.

maybe the money generated can be pumped back into reducing ticket prices in uk.

to maximise revenue generated they have to sell it through the premier league brand and so make it competitive league games

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 19:22
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It will benefit the top teams points-wise as there is no chance of them being drawn to play each other. Which means they will most likely all pick up 3 points.

Is it fair for Blackburn or Portsmouth, who are trying to break into the top 4 or 5 teams, to have to play Man U or Chelsea 3 times while Liverpool, who are trying to hang onto their top 4 spot, only have to play Man U and Chelsea twice? The seeding just means that the top 4 are more likely to stay as the top 4.

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 19:24
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"It will benefit the top teams points-wise as there is no chance of them being drawn to play each other. Which means they will most likely all pick up 3 points."

it is about money only otherwise they wouldnt need to play these games.(especially abroad) by keeping the big clubs apart it means there is more money to go round between all the clubs. otherwise teams like boro wouldnt agree to it. an extra 3 points will not make much difference to the teams at the top over a season.

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 19:28
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I agree the primary reason is to generate more money for the PL but while doing that they are protecting the interests of the big four by using the seedings. They realise that the extra game introduces an element of unfairness but do their best to make sure it doesn't affect the top of the league as Ferguson and Wenger would P*** and moan and drag the PL through the courts if they lost a 'Money Game' that cost them the league title.

ThePrisoner Posted on 07/02/2008 19:29
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"it is about money only otherwise they wouldnt need to play these games.(especially abroad) by keeping the big clubs apart it means there is more money to go round between all the clubs. otherwise teams like boro wouldnt agree to it. an extra 3 points will not make much difference to the teams at the top over a season."

So Boro and the other small clubs have agreed to play in a game that is deliberately arranged to ensure they are unlikely to win? And this game could relegate them.

The lunatics have indeed taken over the asylum.



bobscat Posted on 07/02/2008 19:30
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It's all part of the great premier league swindle .
All fixed,

Take the F.A Cup last year , we all new who was going to be there long before they made it.

Premier league is bent !

Money money money

onthemap Posted on 07/02/2008 19:46
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And you lot wonder why I stopped going to games!

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 19:49
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I expect internet PPV to be the next big thing. Premier league teaming up with microsoft and sell games for about £2 a pop worldwide. Now that is where the money really comes in.

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 19:53
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Move all fans to the North, West and South Stands, shift the cameras to the East, pump in some crowd noise, and we're there!

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 07/02/2008 19:57
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Evidence if any were needed that the power mongers are not interested in the football, just the profit.

Shame on them and shame on those clubs that have signed up to this.

StocktonBloodBoroHeart Posted on 07/02/2008 19:59
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I'd laugh if Boro v Birmingham got drawn.

skippyca Posted on 07/02/2008 20:48
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All of my colleagues at work here in Canada asked me if this would happen and I said I couldn't see it; football is just different from NFL. We have clubs, not franchises. How terribly wrong I was.

I really don't think they have thought this through. An extra round of fixtures? It is a terrible idea to have an unmatched schedule.

Why didn't they just do what the NHL did? Take two teams, not direct rivals (say, Liverpool and Manchester City for example) and play two games in the same rough area (like New York and Boston). Team A is home for one, Team B for the other. The points count, and you're off the hook for a few years.

If you don't want to do it because you don't want to lose the points, the home games or the money - you don't put yourself in for it. There will be plenty of teams that will want to play this game; if it's in North America they'll eat up the shirts and scarves and you'll make a fair bit for sure.

Keep the schedule balanced. FFS. Soon we'll have an Northern Conference and a Southern Conference and we'll play Newcastle 6 times and Portsmouth twice.... what's going on?!?!

dooderooni Posted on 07/02/2008 21:35
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I don't like it one bit.

So there!

janplanner Posted on 07/02/2008 21:37
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it's horrific. mr gibson should boycot it.

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 21:37
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We should organise and mobilise.

Contact other clubs fans and organise a march on Soho square, on the FA and PL.

If they still don't listen we should boycott all games on a given weekend.

Let them know we are their bread and butter and we will be here long after the Thai's and Chinese lose interest in our game.

Marshall_Jaffacake Posted on 07/02/2008 21:39
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If Gibbo doesn't come out and oppose this, or even worse backs it, then as much as I hate to say it; I really feel that the "One of Us" banner should come down until he does

Come on Steve, you know how we feel because you feel the same

bblf Posted on 07/02/2008 21:46
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This stinks, theres no way a draw would be fair. To leave it to the week before so they can look at league tables will not give enough time to publicise it and selltickets.
OK ManUtd v Liverpool in Tokyo might sell what about Wigan v Derby in Miami. There will be no one there.
Just another way of taking the game away from us.

Im gobsmacked our club have agreed to this behind closed doors and its presented by the PL it as a done deal.

dooderooni Posted on 07/02/2008 21:53
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If they really want to do it then they should not add an extra game but incorporate it into the regular season.

As soon as the 20 teams for the coming season are known then the fixtures should be drawn to decide the foreign match ups and the reverse fixtures then the remaining 36 games of the league are drawn as normal.

Two weekends could be designated for the foreign fixtures and for the reverse fixtures back here in England.

EG:

The first weekend in November is the foreign fixture weekend and the last week in March is set aside for the reverse fixture.

Let us say that we are drawn as the 'away' side against Arsenal in Shanghai for the November fixture so we would then play Arsenal at the Riverside in March.

The following year we would be a 'home' side by default and would then have to play the reverse fixture at the oppositions ground. In essence you would have one less home match at the Riverside every other season.

The above system at least keeps everything fair as regards to having to only play each team twice but it still smacks of selling the soul of the game out.

BoroInLondon Posted on 07/02/2008 21:54
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I'll be disgusted if we back this, i thought we were above such rubbish.

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 21:56
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Or they could simply draw up fixtures in a normal way and allow the teams involved in any fixture to move that fixture wherever they want. Playing a team 3 times is madness!

Marshall_Jaffacake Posted on 07/02/2008 21:56
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Dooderooni, there's no point talking about the logistics

THEY SHOULDN'T DO IT...END OF!!

If the Glaziers want to sell T-Shirts in Tokyo, then f*** off and buy a J-League club

Enough is enough FFS

dooderooni Posted on 07/02/2008 21:59
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Whoah there Marshal, I'm not saying it's a good idea but I'd hazard that it will go ahead and at least my idea is fair and even.

Ah, I see the fatal flaw, 'fair and even' and the Premier League don't go together.

Marshall_Jaffacake Posted on 07/02/2008 22:05
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If 2 teams want to do it then let them decide themselves and they can b*gger off and do it, if the likes of Chelski and Man USA want to play each other abroad let them, but to drag the rest of us in is a joke and shame on all the chairmen (even ours) for not rejecting this out of hand...

Alot was revealed on talksport tonight when Ian Wright interviewed one of the board of Derby, and having been told it wasn't about money was then told that it would increase annual revenue by 10% and we shouldn't worry if we can't afford to fly to the far east as all 10 games will be live on PPV

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 22:06
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A line of ostriches with their heads all stuck in the sand come to mind.

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 22:07
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Make an argument or P*** off

Marshall_Jaffacake Posted on 07/02/2008 22:11
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You're right Blain, fans of all clubs should march or protest like the Kop did against the yanks...come on 12th man, this calls for a card display using at least 2 stands

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 22:11
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I already have. If you want to live in the dark ages with your narrow-minded views, then that's your prerogative.

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 22:12
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Have you ever considered the fans, who have made the game what it is today, don't want it to change?

Narrow-minded or not. It should be their opinion that counts.

littlejimmy Posted on 07/02/2008 22:13
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Blain, my 18:54 post pretty much says what you said about mobilising. I think there could be support for doing it out there.

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 22:15
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The point you miss is that you are not the only fans that count. It's GLOBAL baby, get with the program!

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 07/02/2008 22:17
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"fans of all clubs should march or protest like the Kop did against the yanks"

Take it that was before they signed Torres, Mascherano (nearly) etc?

Strange how multi million pund mega transfers seems to shut the objecting supporters up........

Same goes for Man U.......

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 22:18
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can't see any protest being allowed or happening when it had gibsons backing.

best thing to do would be a nationwide protest that no one takes to their seat until the game has kicked off.

The more you think about the more this 39 games a season idea seem stupid. it maybe 1 game now but what about in 10 years time it could be half the games. The chairmen and owners are just so far detached from what the fans want that all they see is pound signs. bet the extra money doesnt even get passed onto the paying fans. this whole things confirms my thoughts that the future of the premier league is the money generate from abroad

Blain87 Posted on 07/02/2008 22:19
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How have the Thai's or the Chinese earned the right to expect live Premier League football in their countries?

In order for the Premier League to get where it is today millions of hardworking English fans have travelled hundreds of miles every week to watch football. These are the people who's opinions should count.

Marshall_Jaffacake Posted on 07/02/2008 22:19
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Jimmy, they should picket roads to the stadiums and block Sky's camera's from getting through, then the money men would notice. Much as I hate Ultras, they'd stop this from happening, whereas English Fans will roll over as soon as somebody like Fergie or Wenger, gets prodded from the powers above and comes out with the "true supporters would be in favour of this" card

pat_the_cat Posted on 07/02/2008 22:19
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Wait till the aliens land. Then we'll be F***ed.
Would you go to see Boro v Bolton on the planet Zigput three hundred thousand light years away in the Quastenia Zertoa system? Well, would you?
I'm F***ing sure I wouldn't.

littlejimmy Posted on 07/02/2008 22:21
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You're talking out of Uranus, son. [;)]

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 07/02/2008 22:23
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If this absolute stupidity ever comes to pass I will never watch another game of football again, ever.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 07/02/2008 22:24
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Exactly sas.

Hence why so many foreign businessmen are taking over PL clubs, coincidentally when it is about to move into overdrive with the foreign TV money making stuff kicking in at the end of the season.

And its also a big coincidence that they have financed / borrowed money AGAINST the club - so that if they are not getting the return on their investment that they expected, they just walk away withn their personal fortunes intact.

But hey, that slimey t*at Scudamore looked well pleased with himself.

In 10 years we could be getting up regularly at silly hours to see Boro v. Blackburn live from Kuala Lumpar.

Football as we know it RIP.

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 22:27
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I agree with jaffacake, in italy and germany the fans just would not put up with it and would probably boycott games or go on the rampage. In this country the fans have put up with the premier league for so long. when are fans going to unite nationally and make a statement.

pat_the_cat Posted on 07/02/2008 22:27
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Helmut, the thing about the aliens was a joke.

Uncle_harry Posted on 07/02/2008 22:28
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like i said before sooner or later about 14 'investors' will meet in an LA hotel and decide who plays & watches english club footall where and when - the principles of competetive sport go against the principles of business- the biggest clubs will seal off a major league and kick the ladder away

If Boro arent in it I'll wind up waatching them in the leftovers local leagues , if Boro are sadly I'll fook off and watch synners

Marshall_Jaffacake Posted on 07/02/2008 22:30
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Too right SAS, when I worked in Germany, Kaiserslautern Ultras kept the terrace behind a goal empty for the first 30minutes of a game in protest, this could be done, imagine the impact evry game in the country did it at the same time one week, wouldn't happen though. Disrupting sky as much as possible would have an impact though

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 22:52
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Sas long term you could indeed be right but at this point just look at it like an extra match (ie. 1/39) is being allotted to the world and nothing's really being taken away. It's 2008 and it's an ever changing world out there.

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 22:53
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Imagine the impact on sky and tv around the world if every premier league game kicked off in an empty stadium then 5 minutes into the game every one takes their seats. Even a small protest like everyone goes in the concourse at half time will ge the message across. Fans need to ge their act together and show some unity. These chairmen and owners havent a clue and dont care what ordinary fans want while they keep geting more and more money coming through.

Sometimes when things like this happen you jsut feel like jacking the whole thing in and go support someone like darlo or start off a new non league team like fc united

ThePrisoner Posted on 07/02/2008 22:57
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"imagine the impact on sky and tv around the world if every premier league game kicked off in an empty stadium then 5 minutes into the game every one takes their seats."

Or imagine every game kicking off to a full stadium then 5 minutes in, everone gets up and goes home. That would be fooking brilliant.

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 22:59
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Ultimately the fans will get the team they want. If they don't want to be in the top league then so be it. If they want to stay in the pubs and watch Man U or trip out to watch Darlo then so be it.

sasboro1 Posted on 07/02/2008 23:01
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It doesnt matter if you dont get high crowds any more as the propertion of money coming from tv get greater and greater. The way things are going teams like boro could play infront of 5,000 fans and still be comfortable in the premier league

ravs Posted on 07/02/2008 23:07
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Exactly, the ticket buyer is no longer the be-all and end-all. They're going to have to get used to it or go elsewhere. I do think though that the prices should be lowered to the point where the grounds are filled. Give the tickets away if you have to.

BoroInNC Posted on 07/02/2008 23:08
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> if they lost a 'Money Game' that cost them the league title.

I just want to fill out this term. In college sport in the US, there are games in each season that are basically fixed to pad the seasons of the big teams. They play at some piddling college, pay them a wodge of cash, and pish all over them. You'll sometimes get an upset, but everyone knows that 'Money Games' or 'creampuffs' are there to boost the numbers.

Having a seeded additional game really does knife the concept of league football. You know that the PL's honchos and big owners, especially the ones who've come in from the US and elsewhere abroad, want a franchise-based Major League, no promotion or relegation. They want something they can basically predict and project balance statements on, and that means eliminating any chance of the top clubs finishing outside the top positions. If Scudamore could get the same ten clubs playing one another four times a season, with Boro and the Mackems as 'feeder' clubs for the Jawdees, he'd push it through next week.

That's one reason to get behind the Scousers' buy-out proposal.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 07/02/2008 23:20
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So we play 18 teams twice, and one three times. No doubt Man U will get a newly promoted team or someone from the bottom half.

It doesn't take much imagination to guess where the idea has come from. As regular fans won't be able to make these games, how are they going to be able to watch them? Sky Sports of course, probably on pay-per-view. I imagine the clubs will get a nice cut of the money, but it's Sky who will be the most in pocket. Maybe the new influx of foreign owners has something to do with it too.

I agree with Sas when he says that fans should unite and protest at this, but suggesting we all go down to the concourse at half time won't work as the clubs know that this will probably mean selling more burgers etc. I would suggest all fans turning their back on the match for a minute or something, like disenfranchised supporters have occasionally done when they're not happy about the running of their club.

I wouldn't mind it so much if it was as Boromart suggests, a cup tournament, but this idea makes a total mockery of the league and MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS.

Isn't there some sort of national fans organisation? They should mobilise football fans acrosss the country. Write to your club chairman (in our case Gibbo). Write to your MP. Steadily over the last 15 years (and more), the game has been taken away from the working man. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! This is one step too far.

If this happens, then it's RIP football as we know it. I said a while back on here that there's part of me that would sooner see us playing in the Championship, or go to watch Pools or Darlo than sell out to mercenary foreign owners. I'm thinking that this is just as much a sell-out.

It's time to stand up and be counted. This cannot and must not happen.

bobstermarley Posted on 08/02/2008 07:48
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Putting it bluntly, in all of the "official" press I've seen on this, there seems to be very little talk of football and lots of comment regarding "brand", "income flows" and "marketing".

A sad day indeed.

littlejimmy Posted on 08/02/2008 08:58
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Scudamore was on the radio this morning saying that fans are scared of progress and that it could have been worse. At least we aren't losing a regular league game.

W*****.

Boromart Posted on 08/02/2008 10:05
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The INTEGRITY of the league system is at stake here. But thats what happens when you let americans, russians and Israelis buy your teams.

They are only interested in how much profit they can make. Sas is right that PPV IPTV will be on the agenda. I think that will be harder to push through. Certainly on an individual rights package. If Manure wwere allowed to sell IPTV right to all their games over the internet we might as well just pack the game in because there income will be 100 times ours.

Its about time fans stood up as one and really looked at the way our game is being manufactured a barrier to entry into the big 4.

First the Prem was created which allowed the bigger clubs to keep a bigger share of gates, and the tiered payment system would eventually allow long lasting dynasties to prevail.

Then we had the chumps league. A perfectly acceptable and INTEGRAL knockout cup ruined for financial gain for a minority. This was followed by the chumps league sides trying to get our league reduced to 18 teams. In otherwords they want to milk the lucrative CL games, and want every other non-CL team to pay for it by losing the revenue to two games a season.

Now this, another nail in the coffin to the integrity, moraility, and history of our national sport.

Simmo7484 Posted on 08/02/2008 10:13
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This is an absolutely ludicrous idea and i cant beleive it is even being contemplated.

Watching the Scudamore interview last night and found myself actually enraged about this whole proposal, an absolute joke.

If this actually happens i will be joining Uncle Harry on the stands of Billingham Synthonia watching a game of football played for the sole purpose of competitive sport, instead of giving my hard earned cash to this money making facade.